Malaysian experts said that the Boeing 777 was hit by an air-to-air missile of the Su-25 fighter.

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An expert group from Malaysia concluded that the Boeing-777 airliner that fell in the east of Ukraine was shot down by the Su-25 attack aircraft, reports Pravda.Ru.

Malaysian experts said that the Boeing 777 was hit by an air-to-air missile of the Su-25 fighter.


According to experts, they first fired an air-to-air missile using a passenger liner, and then “finished off” it with fire from an 30-mm cannon. This is indicated by the nature of the damage and the fragmentation of the fragments: there are also rounded holes, which are usually obtained as a result of shots from a cannon, and tearing holes, characteristic of missiles with swept striking elements.

"In some (photographs from the crash site) the fragments from the explosion coincide with those that are left weapon with a remote fuse, and on others - more accurate and heap, from fire from a cannon. We are analyzing this, ”the representative of the expert group said.

According to him, the liner fired a rocket with a thermal homing head, which got into its engines. This version refutes the claims of Kiev that the plane was hit by a Beech installation.

Earlier, the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant General Andrei Kartapolov, reported that shortly before the crash, a Ukrainian attack aircraft Su-25 was noticed near the Boeing.

Meanwhile, the Air force notes that in the crash area of ​​the Malaysian airliner clashes between the militia and the Ukrainian security forces continue. According to the Prime Minister of the Netherlands, Mark Rutte, due to the dangerous situation he had to suspend the search for the remains of the dead passengers.
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  2. Crimea-nyash
    0
    August 7 2014
    Did they tell Psaka? I need to send her the globe, let her look where it is and show it to Babama.
  3. +1
    August 7 2014
    Quote: Svetlana
    Psaka will say that she saw on YouTube how a Russian pilot similar to Putin flew to SU-25.

    Exactly. Looks like Putin. Yours J. Psaka.
  4. +3
    August 7 2014
    If the Boeing had not been shot down by Ukraine, then in the very first moments of the investigation it would have provided a transcript
    radio exchange between dispatchers and the aircraft. To do this, you don’t need to look for “black boxes”; it is stored on the “ground” in a sealed form. This is required by the canons on the investigation of plane crashes. These basics of the investigation procedure are well known to any aviation professional who can see the “darning threads” of this provocation with the naked eye. The brazen delay in time and methods of investigation suggests that Ukraine
    blindly carries out the order that she does not manage this process on her own. Moreover, for some reason the center of the investigation is appointed in England? I am sure that the true causes of the plane crash will be similar to
    the case about “Litvinenko” - at the right moment, to pull out of your pocket the prepared fig for the rest of the world, in order to “bite” Russia at the right moment. The world will not hear the true results of the investigation. The USA will print “a little” more dollars to “calm down” the affected relatives and the airline. This will be clear when the airline avoids obvious bankruptcy, in which it found itself through no fault of its own. The USA does not bring anything new to the world, except suffering for humanity.
  5. 0
    August 7 2014
    Well, what will the dog and the native of Kenya say now? Like in your favorite movie, Chef, everything is lost? : recourse
  6. +4
    August 7 2014
    Anecdote: There is a meeting of the General Staff in Berlin, with Hitler participating. Suddenly Stirlitz comes in, takes out a camera, photographs all the maps and plans of the General Staff and leaves. Everyone is silent. Hitler says: “What is this, who is this”? Muller replies: “this is the Russian intelligence officer Isaev.” Hitler: “Why don’t you arrest him?” Müller: “It’s no use, my Fuhrer, he’ll get out of it anyway.”
    So with this plane, they will still blame Russia, for example, why didn’t we shoot down that Sushka
  7. sdfre
    -10
    August 7 2014
    Approximately a third of Russians do not trust the government. And they do it right. Just look at http://kuco.ru/h25 - which was made by the ministry. Here is information about all the inhabitants of the former USSR, everyone can see it. And people don't even know about it. All this can be deleted after a simple registration.z
  8. MSA
    MSA
    0
    August 7 2014
    Let's see what happens.
  9. +1
    August 7 2014
    If a Boeing is shot down by a fighter, then traces of this will definitely remain. From the commission's specialists, the traces of defeat from a cannon and a small missile will not be quelled. Therefore, if the fact took place and Kiev does not have the strength to put pressure on the commission, then it would be logical to assume that traces of the act must be destroyed. Fighting is going on in the area of ​​the crash, and if you completely accidentally plow up the field with the wreckage of the Boeing with “hails” or “tornadoes”, then everything seems to be fine. And of course, declare that the “tornadoes” arrived from Ashuluk. Something like this what
    1. 0
      August 9 2014
      It would be necessary for someone other than us!!!...
  10. 0
    August 7 2014
    Isn’t the SU-25 equipped with a 23mm cannon?
    1. +1
      August 7 2014
      The attack aircraft is armed with a built-in gun mount VPU-17A with a double-barreled 30-mm air cannon GSH-30-2
  11. Leopold
    +1
    August 7 2014
    the stuffing is premature, like about 700 prisoners near Donbass. Nobody has announced anything yet
    1. 0
      August 9 2014
      To confirm everything is to sign your own death sentence.
  12. Vovik
    +3
    August 7 2014
    First, the President of Ukraine came running to Russia....
    Then the residents of Ukraine came running...
    Then the Ukrainian border guards came running...
    And then the Ukrainian troops came running!!!
    Question: Who is Ukraine fighting against???
    1. 0
      August 7 2014
      Quote: Vovik
      First, the President of Ukraine came running to Russia....
      Then the residents of Ukraine came running...
      Then the Ukrainian border guards came running...
      And then the Ukrainian troops came running!!!
      Question: Who is Ukraine fighting against???
      Shaw? And then all the Kyiv scum will come here... belay
      1. Vovik
        0
        August 7 2014
        Nope, those who “rule” will remain to guard the Chernobyl nuclear power plant
        1. Dunno
          0
          August 8 2014
          those who rule are of another nation.
  13. Starmos
    +1
    August 7 2014
    The worst thing about this matter is that no one needs the truth but us... and so on any issue. Someone here does not want the isolation of the Russian Federation. It’s too late to drink Borzhom when the kidneys have fallen off - we have long been isolated from “Western civilization”. Don't believe me? Check it out! And think carefully - do we need her with her “values”?
  14. 0
    August 7 2014
    Here is the original article (it was interpreted by “pravda”): http://www.nst.com.my/node/20925
    headline: "US analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft"
    That. not “Malaysian experts”, but supposedly “American intelligence”. and not a word about the Su-25.
  15. +1
    August 7 2014
    Yes, the dill will again say that the SU-25 was hijacked by an FSB agent... wassat
  16. KIRON
    +1
    August 7 2014
    An air-to-air missile is aimed at the engine. If one engine is destroyed, the vehicle can fly on one. The fact that after the missile they pierced the fuselage with shells, thereby not only killing a certain number of people, but also destroying the power fastening of the side members, is understandable. why the car disintegrated in the air. But such a colossus can only be taken down by a ground-based complex. Although, judging by the stories of eyewitnesses, the car fell apart before falling. The beech will disintegrate for nothing. Judging by the explosion on the ground, the fuel tanks are not damaged, i.e. the attacker on 777 the attack aircraft was hitting the engines purely. The gun was for good measure. Or for his own satisfaction. To crush the bastard.
    1. 0
      August 7 2014
      More like a control line...
  17. -4
    August 7 2014
    I didn't know that the Soviet 30mm aircraft cannon fired
    armor-piercing (non-explosive) shells.
    1. +2
      August 7 2014
      Quote: voyaka uh
      I didn't know that the Soviet 30mm aircraft cannon fired
      armor-piercing (non-explosive) shells.

      For firing from the GSh-2–30 cannon, 0-mm cartridges with high-explosive fragmentation incendiary OFZ-30-GSh, tracer OFZT-30-GSh, armor-piercing explosive BR-30-GSh and multi-element ME (contains 28 bullets per bag and expelling charge) shells (shell weight 400 g).

      Do you know now?
  18. 0
    August 7 2014
    I hope the ukrofashists will now get the full kicks
    1. Vovik
      0
      August 7 2014
      This is what all civilized people expect, except the USA and NATO.
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  20. 0
    August 7 2014
    <<<An expert group from Malaysia has come to the conclusion that the Boeing 777 airliner that crashed in eastern Ukraine was shot down by a Su-25 attack aircraft, Pravda.Ru reports.>>>
    In accordance with the political traditions of the world “stronghold of democracy” - Fashington (who also ordered the crime), the pilot, like the Dnipropetrovsk air traffic controllers, has probably already been “removed” so as not to interfere with the “correct” investigation!
  21. Saturn43
    0
    August 7 2014
    A completely expected outcome If it was shot down by militias, then “wipe these non-humans from the face of the earth.” If the Ukrainian military, then “everyday’s business doesn’t happen to anyone.” Many people call this double standards, which I personally don’t agree with, because decency (the law) is either there or not And the whole jurisprudence it is only for people and does not concern all other bipeds on the planet. All of "international law" was based on the "Cubbie Crisis". The USSR forced its opinion to be taken into account. Russia has so far failed to persuade Russia to take its opinion into account...
    1. Dunno
      0
      August 8 2014
      ... therefore we have to take Psaki’s opinion into account.
  22. nessy
    0
    August 7 2014
    Quote: solovald
    Isn't it a duck? Nowhere else in serious media has this news appeared.

    Today - television - Channel 1 - at about 12.00 - a similar message was read out.
  23. 0
    August 7 2014
    KUALA LUMPUR: INTELLIGENCE analysts in the United States had already concluded that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile, and that the Ukrainian government had something to do with it.

    This corroborates an emerging theory postulated by local investigators that the Boeing 777-200 was crippled by an air-to-air missile and finished off with cannon fire from a fighter that had been shadowing it as it plummeted to earth.
  24. 0
    August 7 2014
    everything secret will still be revealed
  25. +1
    August 7 2014
    there is no repetition of news from other media, it’s probably still a “duck”
  26. +6
    August 7 2014
    Alex20042004 RU  August 2, 2014 14:29 | DPR militia shot down a drone


    I answer your questions.
    1. Launch a rocket from Buk.
    When launching a rocket in a radius of 5 km. and more, you will clearly hear the roar of a rocket.
    This happened during the day, with the accumulation of a considerable number of people. There is no evidence that anyone heard this sound. Further.
    The route from the flight of a rocket from Buk will be clearly visible in the sky for 5 to 15 minutes (depending on weather conditions), sometimes I saw traces for 30 minutes. No one saw the routes from the flight of the rocket. Look, if anyone is interested, Buk missile launches on the Internet and you will understand.
    .
    The use of Beech by anyone in this place is excluded.
    .
    2. Witnesses heard 2 explosions in the air in the place where the Boeing 777 flew and saw a military aircraft near Boeing.
    3. Su-25 has 2 R-60 air-to-air missiles on board. The probability of destroying an air target with one R-60 missile is 0,8, therefore. Almost always, 2 missiles are used on the target. And, not necessarily, having R-25 missiles on the SU-60 (the altitude of using the indicated missile is from 5 to 20 m.), The SU-000 should rise to an altitude of 25 m.
    4. When such a cow as a Boeing was destroyed from Buk, a Boeing (at an altitude of 10 m.) Would fall apart in the air. (warhead, if memory serves me right - about 000 kg. BB). This did not happen; it fell relatively compactly.
    5. In addition, the SU-25 could use air guns. The range of destruction by an air gun (under the condition of discharging) is 3-5 km. According to the flyers who flew on the SU-25, you can get into a cow like a Boeing without much effort.
    When an airgun shell hits a target (for example, an airplane body), it pierces it and bursts inside. The bursting power of the projectile is very powerful, and it is possible that, for example, at high speed targets a small plane can fall apart in the air.
    6. What kind of 30 mm airgun or other crap will draw to the crash site of a Boeing? All nearby villages will know and hear about it, you won’t hide the awl in a bag, especially after what happened.
    7. I believe that it has long been known who destroyed Boeing and how.
    8. And yet, which is important. All launches of rockets such as surface-to-air missiles from Buk are now clearly recorded from space, even in cloudy weather. This I tell you for sure and 100%. So far, no one has provided such data.
    9. As for idiots, they are not there, there are only computer trolls.
    Yes, and one more thing.
    Providing misinformation to the media is a way of waging war, so everything must be carefully collected and analyzed.
    95% of all classified information is in the media.
    I will be glad to the one to whom the information I issued came in handy. Thank.
  27. +1
    August 7 2014
    It looks like Psinka will say the following: “according to the State Department, using modern technologies, the Russian military intercepted control of a SU-25 of the Ukrainian Air Force. As a result, a Malaysian Boeing was shot down.” After landing, the pilot could not tell anything intelligibly. It is worth noting that this is not the first provocation Russians. A few months earlier, control of several US Marines stationed in the Baltic States was intercepted. Because of which the central flowerbed of one of the most beautiful cities was used by them as a urinal. The impudence and cynicism of the Russian military knows no bounds. Because of which Fak Rassmusson has been drinking for many months now. look for bags under the eyes."
  28. techspez
    0
    August 7 2014
    I am proud of my wise ancestors: “You can’t hide an awl in a sack...”
  29. nessy
    0
    August 7 2014
    Quote: Delorian
    there is no repetition of news from other media, it’s probably still a “duck”

    Open Channel 1 - archive.
  30. 0
    August 7 2014
    The Boeing was flying at an altitude of 10 km, flying, and then bam! A Su-5 flies at an altitude of 25 kilometers and shoots down a Boeing! hit both with a rocket and with a cannon. into miracles.
  31. Alinawala
    -4
    August 8 2014
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    I’ve already tried to quit 50 times in my life and all to no avail. Either there is no willpower, or I didn’t try hard...

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  32. IT specialist
    0
    August 8 2014
    There is a possibility that it was not beech that was shot down, I agree with Alex20042004 on this. But! many experts really doubt that an attack aircraft can shoot down a target at an altitude of 10000m, no matter how much we would like it. (Wikipedia, they say, they immediately began to edit it in order to increase the ceiling for the Su-25)

    Perhaps there was another plane...
  33. 0
    August 8 2014
    Quote: T-130
    the aviation gun has a caliber of 30 mm, it’s possible that it was finished with a Boeing!


    When they shoot at similar targets from KORD or NSVT, the holes remain the size of a fist; 30 mm would tear the casing to shreds. If I'm wrong, correct me.
  34. Dunno
    0
    August 8 2014
    http://www.nst.com.my/node/20925

    "Kuala Lumpur: Intelligence analysts in the US have already concluded that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile, and that the Ukrainian government already had what to do with it.
    This supports an emerging theory postulated by local researchers that the Boeing 777-200 was crippled by an air-to-air missile and finished off with cannon fire from fighter jets that were shadowing it as it crashed to the ground..."
  35. 0
    August 8 2014
    Well, finally, at least one adequate country has taken adequate steps - told it like it is, and how it really is visible!
  36. Hawk2014
    0
    August 8 2014
    Yes, this version appeared from the very beginning. Only for some reason it was not advertised in the domestic media. The Malaysians were simply able to voice this version as the main version to the whole world. So they have a reason. After all, this is the second incident in six months involving a Malaysian airliner with heavy casualties. This means that the interests of the Boeing corporation are affected. And Boeing has its own people everywhere - in the Pentagon, and in the Republican Party, and, accordingly, in Congress, and even in the Obama administration (although this is already superfluous, since in the USA the president may not be aware of technical subtleties) . So the corporation probably knows what really happened to the airliner. But Boeing will not sacrifice its reputation, so a compromise has been found between politicians and manufacturers: the cause of the death of the airliner is voiced by the injured party, and NATO can continue its fight against the “Russian bear” as long as it wants.
  37. Ivan 63
    0
    August 8 2014
    Did anyone doubt it?
    1. Dunno
      +1
      August 8 2014
      Just like that, brazenly shoot down a plane of another country, in which citizens of third countries were also flying!?
      And will Europe forgive the USA and Ukraine?
      We walk over corpses, our own and others, to HELL.
  38. 0
    August 8 2014
    sorry, to spite Russia
  39. 0
    August 8 2014
    And why the UK is silent, they have black boxes. Like they can’t decipher it or the owner forbids the truth to be revealed?
  40. 0
    August 8 2014
    Why is there nothing about this on TV and the West is silent?
    1. Dunno
      +1
      August 8 2014
      The West is wondering where to eat apples.
      The situation is slippery. It's better to forget about her. How about "Kursk", the towers of the Trade Center, ...
      The moral foundations of humanity are simply being undermined. Almost everything is already possible: pedophiles, pederasts, scammers, counterfeiters, murder, drunkenness, drug addiction....
  41. letterwriter
    0
    August 8 2014
    http://inosmi.ru/world/20140806/222176357.html

    Quote:
    Some independent analysts have argued, based on initial data from the scene, that Flight 17 may have been destroyed from the air rather than from the ground. However, the working hypothesis of American intelligence analysts suggests that Ukrainian Buks and fighters acted together, hunting for an airliner that they believed to be Russian. It is even possible that, in their opinion, it was the plane on which President Vladimir Putin was returning from his tour of South America, our source notes.

    Read more: http://inosmi.ru/world/20140806/222176357.html#ixzz39nPCtJBS
    Follow us: @inosmi on Twitter | InoSMI on Facebook

    I never doubted that the plane was shot down by European students, the only thing that was not clear was why. Now everything has fallen into place. The initial rumor turned out to be the most plausible version. The game was worth the candle, because the West would only rejoice at the death of Putin and there would definitely be no objective investigation...
    1. Tomsoer
      0
      August 8 2014
      It’s somehow strange...It turns out that the dill thought that the GDP plane was flown by Malaysian pilots? what
  42. 0
    August 8 2014
    Quote: Cynic
    Quote: izGOI
    It is believed that with a caliber of up to 30 mm, this is a machine gun

    Somehow before it appeared _ 20mm.
    And so the class, coaxial machine gun _

    Yes, that’s right, everything above 20mm inclusive is considered cannon.
  43. Division
    +1
    August 8 2014
    We are waiting for Psaki)))
  44. 0
    August 8 2014
    the oven is preheated, the baking sheet is greased with oil, the coals under the spit are hot... I hope the pig and rabbit will turn out with an appetizing golden brown crust! Just don’t stuff too many Polish apples =)
  45. 0
    August 8 2014
    Well done Malaysians! They don't need to look under Washington's tail, they are only interested in the TRUTH. Thank God that at least someone from the disaster commission is not subject to politicking.
  46. netwalker
    0
    August 8 2014
    Repket to the author.. but I’ll answer with an Internet meme - “Thank you Cap....!” smile
  47. 0
    August 8 2014
    maybe I’m wrong, but the drying was 3 km closer to the Boeing, hence the question: what the hell is a 30mm gun?!
  48. xana usa
    0
    August 9 2014
    it was clear that the plane was shot down by dill, but for something so brazen, this corn-"banana" macaque farm has crossed all limits of what is permissible, this dirty stain needs to be erased, no matter which way
  49. 0
    August 9 2014
    Before detonation, the Buk warhead makes a slide at the target and an explosion occurs from above. The Boeing fuselage would have been left in pieces.
  50. 0
    August 9 2014
    Quote: Division
    We are waiting for Psaki)))

    And why is the entire forum Psaki - Psaki? I hate her too and laugh at her, but it seemed that there was information that she was fired and it is unlikely that we will hear her nonsense.
  51. +1
    August 9 2014
    We noticed that now no one is interested in the unfortunate Boeing - the main thing is that sanctions have been introduced and will continue to increase. Classic "Casus Belli" - in all its glory. By the way, the version that the destruction of the unfortunate Boeing by mistake, instead of the destruction of “aircraft N1”, that is, an attempt on Putin’s life, is the only correct one. But Anglo-Saxon “6” Australia has already expressed itself in the spirit that it will stop selling uranium ore to Russia if Russia does not take responsibility for the downed Boeing. What is it? I don’t understand why Russia doesn’t convene an emergency conference regarding the unprecedented lies and pressure against it! I don’t understand why our leadership has not yet filed a lawsuit against those people who lie on our country live on air! I don’t understand why Russia didn’t convene a special UN conference to investigate cases of “double standards” in the application of international law: that is, for example, the United States can bomb sovereign countries allegedly on the orders of their government, although it cannot present documents confirming such “orders” , why France can conduct military operations personally in Mali, supposedly to protect French-speaking company personnel from separatists, why Turkey shells the territory of Syria and invades hundreds of kilometers there, supposedly to protect its territory, and if Russia imports humanitarian aid to the south-west of Ukraine , then this will be regarded as an invasion of a neighboring state. It is necessary to immediately convene a UN Assembly on this matter. It is necessary to replicate the slogan in all media that “the USA is an empire of lies.” We should not be shy and say everywhere that Brussels is an American litter, and all EU countries subordinate to Brussels have lost their identity, lost their sovereignty and become hostages of Washington. One must not be afraid to call “a spade a spade.” As they say here, in my “circles”: “Whoever pisses, dies”...
  52. +2
    August 9 2014
    Three things are clear to me:
    1) Only the Ukrainian warriors could shoot down the Boeing; no one else had such opportunities. And it doesn’t matter whether he was shot down by an air-to-ground missile or something else.
    2) This was done intentionally. This is not a mistake, but a deliberate, ordered provocation. It is no coincidence that the perpetrators were identified even before the investigation began.
    It was the instant explosion of anti-Russian hysteria, it was the use of the death of Boeing for one’s own purposes that best speaks of who actually ordered this tragedy.
    3) The West is not interested in the truth, everything is already clear to them. The propaganda effect has been achieved. And even if a hundred experts say that the Boeing was shot down by theft, the West will ignore it. They did not order this crime in order to later admit guilt. This won't happen, don't wait.
    The United States is behind the destruction of Boeing. It was they who immediately used this as a reason for sanctions. Here we need to ask the standard question - “who benefits?”
    And the performers were, of course, warriors. I would not be surprised if Mr. Poroshenko was not even informed about these plans.
  53. 0
    August 9 2014
    If they prove that they shot down an SU-25, then that’s only half the battle. Now we need to prove whose plane it was - Ukraine, the militia or Russia. The militia also boasted that they had captured the plane. And be sure to look for the murder weapon, i.e. fragments, parts of the rocket. It would be nice to find rocket parts with factory markings. But it's unlikely. And this should be done by foreign specialists so that they don’t later say that they planted fragments. Maybe it is necessary to conduct a control shooting of the air cannon in parts of the aircraft to compare the results.
  54. +1
    August 9 2014
    Quote: Cynic
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    "passengers" on the "highway" I see every day there are four in a row, and drying every week,

    Sorry, but how do you distinguish them at such an altitude of about 10m ?! It does not seem to you that you yourself have refuted it. AND ?
    Stubbornness and perseverance are two different things.

    The smart one said: Arguing with a fool is like playing chess with a dove - he will flap his wings, scream, scatter the chess, scatter the chess on the board and fly off to tell everyone how he cheated you
  55. circumcircle
    +1
    August 9 2014
    The downed Boeing 777 is a warning to Putin, it is no coincidence that the version voiced was that the GDP plane was somewhere out there traveling in the same echelon with the Boeing. The other day there was a publication in the American media, the main meaning of which was “How to end Putin.” On the DayX website, this article was published in the form of “The United States is preparing in Russia an analogue of the Ukrainian fratricidal war.” The proposed options for getting rid of Putin include: civil war, shooting down the GDP plane and a rebellion of the Russian bourgeoisie. But probably the plan also has the goal of the West seizing the fruits civil war in Russia in order to move closer to China and not give it a chance to seize the territory of collapsed Russia. The appointment of an ambassador-coordinator of revolutions to Russia by the Americans is not an accident, but 30 billion dollars should create a revolution in Russia
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  57. Andrew-53
    0
    August 9 2014
    I am, of course, not a gunsmith, not an aircraft technician, not... But I would like to note that if high-explosive fragmentation ammunition exploded upon contact with a target, then every tank, armored personnel carrier, infantry fighting vehicle, aircraft would have to carry a carload of ammunition with it. This is not observed because such a means as slowing down the operation of the fuse has long been developed. Therefore, the entrance holes will be round or oval, depending on the angle of entry of the projectile, with the metal indented inside the casing, and fragments from the shells will turn the metal of the casing out. This is my amateur opinion.
  58. 0
    August 10 2014
    This is of course all good. But where is the publication of Pravda-ru? I couldn’t find it on the website? This time. And two, the Malaysian Defense Minister denied this report in the New Straits Times on Thursday that the Boeing was shot down by missiles from an airplane: http://www.nst.com.my/node/21682 These are the things. We are waiting for the final version - or the one that will be suggested behind the “big puddle”.
    But the good news is that German business is going to drain Ukraine: http://crimsonalter.livejournal.com/30107.html
    1. 0
      August 10 2014
      Quote: NoNick
      But the good news is that German business is going to drain Ukraine

      Yaytsenyukh will be the first to drain the EU by turning off the gas!
      The owners of today's Ukraine live in Washington, not Brussels!

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