News of the Mi-28HM project

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Over the past few weeks there has been a number News on the progress of the promising Mi-28NM project. The aim of this project is to modernize existing attack helicopters using new systems, components and assemblies. The emergence of new messages contributed to the start of flight tests of a prototype helicopter. The car first flew in late July, soon after which some new information appeared on the progress of work, project objectives and existing plans.

The beginning of the flight tests of an experienced Mi-28HM became known at the end of July. It is reported that on July 29 the pilots of the flight test station of the Moscow-based M.L. Mile ”(Lyubertsy) for the first time raised a new helicopter into the air. The first checks of the car were carried out in the mode of hovering at low altitude. Completion of checks on this mode with confirmation of the required characteristics made it possible to continue the tests, moving on to study the operation of the equipment on other modes. It should be noted that at the end of July the spotters managed to take several photos of the prototype helicopter both in the parking lot and in the air.



A few days after the start of flight tests, military plans were announced regarding the future of the Mi-28HM helicopters. Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces, Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev on August 5 spoke about the planned dates for the start of operation of promising technology in the army. According to the commander, the serial Mi-28HM will be commissioned at the end of 2017 of the year or a little later. Also, the commander-in-chief touched upon the topic of the technical and operational characteristics of the updated helicopter. V. Bondarev said that the new helicopter will be more convenient for pilots, as well as easier to manage.


The first flight of the Mi-28HM. Photo kabuki / Russianplanes.net


In general, the basic characteristics have been improved, thanks to which the new helicopter has an increased engine thrust and an increased ammunition load. In addition, dual control is used, and there is also a full range of means of protection against man-portable air defense systems.

A little later, new reports appeared on the course of tests, as well as on possible export prospects for development. As it turned out, even before the completion of the tests, the attack helicopter Mi-28HM was able to interest potential customers in the face of foreign countries.

18 August edition of "News" reported that a prototype of the machine Mi-28HM recently made the first test flights, which were intended to test the operation of engines and other elements of the power plant, as well as control systems and other equipment. In addition, from an unnamed source, the publication received information about the future plans of the industry. So, it is planned to complete the tests by the end of this year, after which the experimental machine will be handed over to the armed forces. In 2017, the promising helicopter should go into series.

It is reported that already the interest in the new helicopter was shown by the Algerian armed forces. In 2014, this country has already ordered several dozen Russian attack helicopters of the Mi-28HN model and now, apparently, is considering the possibility of expanding and modernizing the fleet of such vehicles through the purchase of newer machines. However, for obvious reasons, the appearance of such a contract is a matter of the distant future. The helicopter is not yet ready for mass production and transfer of finished equipment to a domestic or foreign customer.

On August 28, the well-known BMPD blog announced the appearance of a new agreement concluded as part of the modernization of the attack helicopter and its associated systems. 15 July this year, the enterprise "Moscow helicopter plant named after ML. Mila ”published information about a new contract concluded with the Center for Scientific and Technical Services“ Dynamics ”(Zhukovsky). In accordance with this agreement, the specialists of Dynamics should develop an integrated simulator for the crews of the Mi-28HE helicopter. The contract price is 355,79 million rubles.

According to reports, the development of the Mi-28НМ project (“296 Product”) began in 2009 in the framework of the Avangard-3 development work. The task of the new project was to upgrade the existing attack helicopter Mi-28Н using new systems, components and assemblies. By replacing those or other components it was planned to improve the basic flight, combat and operational qualities of the machine. In addition, some parts of the project were associated with the simplification of the production of machinery due to the rejection of components, the delivery of which may be associated with certain problems.

As part of the modernization project, the existing glider of the helicopter is retained, however, some modifications of its design are used. As a result, both the general layout and the majority of the “old” appearance remain. However, the absence of some units and the appearance of others leads to noticeable external differences between the existing Mi-28Н and the new Mi-28НМ.

The most noticeable external difference between the two machines is the lack of an antenna for the control system of anti-tank missiles of the Ataka family. This device was previously placed on the nose of the fuselage and received a fairly large fairing, giving the helicopter a recognizable look. Due to the lack of an antenna and its fairing, the nose of the upgraded vehicle has different contours, allowing at a glance to distinguish between helicopters of two modifications.

During the upgrade, the helicopter received new engines with enhanced performance. Serial Mi-28 of existing modifications are equipped with TV3-117ВМА turboshaft engines with take-off power 2200 hp. and 2400-strong emergency mode. The main production of such products remained abroad, and in addition, the supply of the required engines is hampered by political problems. As a result, the Mi-28HM project proposed to use VK-2500П-01 / ПС engines. They differ from TV3-117ВMA with higher characteristics. In addition, these engines are produced by Russian enterprises.

VK-2500П-01 / ПС product is equipped with a modern electronic work management system, as well as is equipped with fire protection. Due to new constructive solutions, increased reliability of work in areas with hot climate and in high mountains has been ensured. Also provided superiority in performance over existing engines in its class. The engine power of VK-2500П-01 / ПС on take-off mode is 2500 hp Emergency mode allows you to get power up to 2800 hp. for 2,5 min.

Earlier it was reported that in the framework of the new project, improved blades were proposed for use as part of the rotor. By changing the design of these products, it is planned to raise the maximum flight speed by about 13%. The increase in cruising speed should be 10%.

An important feature of the "Products 296" should be the processing of a complex of onboard radio-electronic means. Thus, a standard installation of a H025 radar station is proposed with the antenna placed in a spherical nadvtulochny fairing. At the same time, as reported, when creating a new helicopter, the existing station underwent a modernization aimed at improving the main characteristics. Due to this, the updated radar H025 should improve some combat characteristics of the new helicopter in comparison with the basic modification.

Declared an increase in the number of accompanied targets and improving the accuracy of determining their coordinates. New algorithms for the operation of equipment have also been developed, and the performance of computing systems has been increased tenfold. Such improvements should significantly improve the combat capabilities of vehicles, as well as to some extent simplify its piloting.

The new project eliminates one of the main drawbacks of previous modifications of the Mi-28. Previously, only the pilot could control the machine, while the operator’s cabin had a different composition of equipment. The Mi-28HM project proposes to equip both cabins with a complete set of controls needed for piloting the machine. Thus, in the event of a pilot being hit, the operator will be able to take control and withdraw the helicopter from the dangerous area.

According to domestic press reports, the Mi-28HM project proposes a set of tools aimed at improving the safety of the crew and the machine as a whole. The latest developments in the field of various passive protective equipment mounted on equipment are used. In addition, the concern "Radioelectronic Technologies" created a new laser station suppression. When an attack is detected, this device using laser radiation should divert enemy missiles away from the helicopter.

There is information about plans to upgrade the weapons complex. The nomenclature of weapons of a modernized helicopter still must include guided and unguided missiles of various types, etc. At the same time, a decision was made to use some new systems. As already mentioned, the helicopter Mi-28HM lost the bow antenna of the radio command control of anti-tank missiles. There is information according to which it is now planned to use guided missiles guided by a laser beam. To do this, use the emitter, which is available in the composition of optical-electronic equipment. Apparently, such a change in the helicopter will lead to the need to use new types of missile weapons.

The development of the Mi-28HM project was completed no later than 2014-15, after which work began on the construction of a prototype. Last year, the company Rostvertol (Rostov-on-Don), engaged in mass production of the equipment of the Mi-28 family, built a prototype of the Mi-28НМ machine, which has the additional designation OP-1. Soon the car was transferred to the flight test station for the required checks. As follows from recent reports, until recently, an experienced Mi-28HM passed preliminary tests, and only at the end of last July for the first time took off.

By now, according to press reports, a number of flights have been performed, which allowed testing the operation of the main systems. After that, new checks should be conducted to establish the capabilities and characteristics of various components and assemblies, as well as their interactions. To conduct all the necessary tests takes some time. It is mentioned that the checks will be completed by the end of the current year, after which the experimental vehicle will be handed over to the armed forces.

Already in 2017, the Russian Helicopters Corporation is about to begin the deployment of mass production of new equipment. According to the estimates of the commander of the VKS, by the end of next year, combat units will be able to begin the development of the latest serial helicopters. In the future, the mass production and supply of the Mi-28NM will make it possible to replenish the attack helicopter fleet, adding to, and eventually replacing the equipment available in the troops. The implementation of current plans will lead to a certain increase in the combat strike potential. aviationusing newer equipment with enhanced technical, operational and combat characteristics.


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  1. +6
    30 August 2016 07: 03
    . There is information according to which it is now planned to use guided missiles with laser beam guidance.

    those. Will the helicopter hang over the battlefield during the entire flight of the rocket?
  2. +10
    30 August 2016 07: 49
    The weak point of the Mi-28 is its electronic systems. For all time, the supratulco radar was not really completed, there were a number of fundamental systems. For many characteristics, it is really a good drummer, but the fact that it was accepted raw is indisputable
  3. +10
    30 August 2016 07: 55
    Quote: APASUS
    The weak point of the Mi-28 is its electronic systems. For all time, the supratulco radar was not really completed, there were a number of fundamental systems. For many characteristics, it is really a good drummer, but the fact that it was accepted raw is indisputable

    Raw? So the car is thirty years old, how much can you pull,
    1. +3
      30 August 2016 17: 47
      You seem to know what "perestroika" is and what a collapse of the economy it turned into, but write nonsense. Of those 30 that you write (although I would argue), for more than 10 years, helicopters have been in the form of a flight model
  4. +10
    30 August 2016 08: 16
    Mi-28NM will be commissioned at the end of 2017 or a little later.
    wassat Damn .... "Apaches" will soon begin to write off, and we are all sawing the budget for improvements. negative
    Z.Y. Did you modify the gearbox?
  5. +3
    30 August 2016 09: 22
    What's wrong with the gearbox. Have you solved the main problem?
    1. +1
      31 August 2016 16: 24
      The gearbox was supposed to be surrounded by titanium, or composite screens, similar to Apache Block 3, since the gearbox was a weak point.
    2. 0
      31 August 2016 16: 24
      The gearbox was supposed to be surrounded by titanium, or composite screens, similar to Apache Block 3, since the gearbox was a weak point.
  6. +7
    30 August 2016 09: 36
    I read in the press that the development of a promising 3000l.s engine was ordered for Apache. , given that it is 1,5 times lighter than our models, we get an impressive thrust-to-weight ratio.
    Mi-28 to 2-3 modernization will turn into a full-fledged modern combat vehicle. They need more, you need to replace both the Mi-24 and Mi-35.
    1. +2
      30 August 2016 20: 33
      3000 h.p. - I do not believe ! This is most likely indicated by emergency power. Sometimes it is vital for a helicopter to dramatically gain altitude and speed to avoid being struck by sudden fire from the ground.
      1. 0
        31 August 2016 14: 39
        they have this figure 2700
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        2. 0
          9 January 2017 18: 49
          Apache in the AH-64D Longbow version has 2 T700-GE-701C engines with a capacity of 1890 hp each. , Block III AH-64E is planned to have 2 T700-701D engines with 1994 hp each.
    2. 0
      31 August 2016 16: 26
      Look at the information on Apache Block 3. I don’t remember the exact numbers, but we managed to increase cruising and maximum speed very significantly. The British version is especially interesting, since it seems to be supported by Royce Royls.
    3. 0
      26 September 2016 13: 01
      What you do not like about the Mi-24 and Mi-35, not one country in the world has a transport and attack helicopter.
    4. 0
      25 December 2016 19: 09
      Quote: Zaurbek
      I read in the press that the development of a promising 3000l.s engine was ordered for Apache. , given that it is 1,5 times lighter than our models, we get an impressive thrust-to-weight ratio.

      It doesn’t work out - he needs to strengthen the protection, and this is weight, the same eggs, but a side view. wink
  7. +5
    30 August 2016 09: 40
    Not much information, but to summarize - the new serial over-the-body radar is not just in words but in practice, new more advanced and powerful Russian-made VK -2500 engines in the series instead of Soviet / Ukrainian TV3 -117. In addition, equipped with a fire extinguishing system. Helicopter control in two cockpits, bow radar removed, instead of more advanced laser beam guidance. Updated weapons system. The performance of the helicopter computing systems, as stated, has been increased tenfold. Well already very good. And in the appendage, a completely new suppression system was developed and installed.
    Now it remains to see how all this will show itself in action. Surely, the experience of Syria has been taken into account, and the running-in will apparently be there.
  8. +1
    30 August 2016 09: 51
    Quote: APASUS
    The weak point of the Mi-28 is its electronic systems. For all time, the supratulco radar was not really completed, there were a number of fundamental systems. For many characteristics, it is really a good drummer, but the fact that it was accepted raw is indisputable

    The radar on the Mi-28 did not seem to register due to vibrations and the inability to move it to the bow, as received on the Ka-52.
    1. +1
      30 August 2016 16: 09
      Quote: tomket
      The radar on the Mi-28 did not seem to register due to vibrations and the inability to move it to the bow, as received on the Ka-52.

      Not at all - it was the over-muzzle radar that didn’t register on the KA-52 because of the coaxial design of the screws and I had to abandon the gun turret in order to place it in the bow of the turntable ... on the 28NM, as you can see, the over-muzzle radar, and even improved hi
      1. +5
        30 August 2016 17: 37
        In general, the Ka-52's cannon armament was inherited from the "Black Shark", I did not hear anything about the "difficulty" of the nose turret. By the way, the Ka-52's firing accuracy is higher, despite the Mi-28go turret.
        1. +1
          30 August 2016 18: 13
          Quote: tomket
          Generally, the Ka-52's cannon armament was inherited from the Black Shark,

          Yeah, like a coaxial screw design that doesn’t allow you to install an over-sleeve locator bully
          Quote: tomket
          , I did not hear anything about the "difficulties" of the nose turret.

          I’ll even say more - I basically did not see her))
          Quote: tomket
          By the way, the accuracy of the Ka-52 is higher, despite the Mi-28's turret.

          That's right - and not despite namely due to the hard mount the KA-52 gun experiences less vibration and her accuracy is higher - let me explain why and why this is done:
          Firstly - KA-52 - a second-line helicopter. The main task is to support troops with rocket weapons and, if possible, a cannon. The enemy is far away, the main weapon is missiles.
          This means that booking, reaction time, the ability to attack targets regardless of the position / maneuvers of the helicopter itself and the ability to "look back" for the KA-52 fade into the background. In the foreground are the characteristics of missiles and the accuracy of weapons.
          That is, the absence of a turret, and an over-the-gun radar and booking for the KA-52 are not terrible - in the "second line", 5-6 km from the "hot spot" he does not need them.
          For MI-28, which is being prepared for actions on the enemy - exactly the opposite picture: there is no time for thought and lives depend on the seconds - which means the turret, over-locator locator, armor and survivability are the first thing for him, and at the same time, reducing the accuracy of the gun is not critical - in close combat its accuracy is quite sufficient. hi
          1. +4
            30 August 2016 20: 51
            No one is being sent over the enemy already. There are no such strong cars. Even the Su-25 and A-10 stop pulling. 30mm anti-aircraft guns and MANPADS do their job.
            1. +1
              31 August 2016 17: 29
              Quote: Zaurbek
              No one is being sent over the enemy already. There are no such strong cars. Even the Su-25 and A-10 stop pulling. 30mm anti-aircraft guns and MANPADS do their job.

              Even the Americans in the Iraqi company were forced to send their Apaches to fly "over the enemy" - and the latter got it by the way ... so in spite of the strengthening of military air defense means, flying over the battlefield will be necessary in any case.
              Quote: tomket

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              tomket Yesterday, 21: 21 ↑ New
              Everything would be nothing in your reasoning, but only the Ka-50 has the same gun installed in the same way, but it’s only a helicopter of the battlefield, and all your arguments about the first and second lines have nothing to do with reality.

              I absolutely disagree that the "Black Shark" is a "Battlefield Helicopter" - with one pilot and without a turret mount, and even with a coaxial scheme (piloting difficulty) like a battlefield helicopter he’s no.
              Quote: tomket
              And what, the light converged like a wedge on the over-hub radar? Just like the Americans? The bow of the Ka-52, by the way, makes it possible to place a radar there much more powerful than the Longbow, which is what they actually do.

              Not converged but over-the-neck radar offers certain advantages... so, I answer the question - you rightly said for KA-52as for a second line helicopter radar power and noise immunity is extremely important, but the ability to look back is not very necessary for him since from the second line the enemy will always be in the front hemisphere.
              For MI-28 the same as for the turntable of the battlefield opposite - a powerful radar is not needed, but the ability to look at 360 degrees is almost impossible to overestimate - He is fighting in the very center of events and must immediately respond to new threats.
              Quote: tomket
              You and Milevtsy will probably be worn for a long time with the Nadvtulochnaya radar, as with a written shell. If only as the Americans))))))

              Laugh as much as you like - but laughing at the presence of a rather powerful radar with a circular view is somehow not very funny, and I already explained above why it is so important for MI-28.
              And yet - Falcon, the one that stated about over-the-body radars for coaxial design - do not tell us the main thing - why did you unscrew it? No - then I’ll tell you: in your photo, the KA-50Sh option - its sub-muzzle radar (or rather the prototype of the radar) is intended solely for viewing airspace, but even it, as you can see, on the KA-52 failed to install - tried in 97 - but the radar, quote, "did not work normally". hi
              Although I have already said that for the KA-52 the presence of a supra-muzzle radar does not play a special role - its main characteristics. Sincerely.
              1. 0
                26 December 2016 07: 57
                The enemy didn’t have modern 30mm memory sticks, type Tunguzka, So they flew ... Everything that was created was calculated on a 20-23mm memory,
          2. +2
            30 August 2016 21: 21
            Everything would be nothing in your reasoning, but only the Ka-50 has the same gun installed in the same way, but it’s only a helicopter of the battlefield, and all your arguments about the first and second lines have nothing to do with reality.
          3. +4
            30 August 2016 21: 28
            And what, the light converged like a wedge on the over-hub radar? Just like the Americans? The bow of the Ka-52, by the way, makes it possible to place a radar there much more powerful than the Longbow, which is what they actually do. You and Milevtsy will probably be worn with the Nadvtulochnaya radar station for a long time, as with a written sack. If only like the Americans))))))
          4. 0
            31 August 2016 16: 37
            The French Tigers seem to have achieved excellent accuracy, and Apache is not bad, judging by the species from Afghanistan and Iraq, but the French said that they managed to achieve greater accuracy than the latter. In my opinion, it’s time to develop your own cannon on the Mi-28, with modern shells that are more effective both against infantry and lightly armored targets. All the same, the Apache and Tiger cannons are more than 2 times lighter, and this saves about 60 kg, under the same BC.
      2. +4
        31 August 2016 10: 19
        11 black
        Not at all - the over-muzzle radar was not registered on the KA-52 due to the coaxial design of the screws

        Yeah, as well as the coaxial screw design that does not allow the installation of a bullet locomotive locator

        It allows you to:


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      1. +1
        30 August 2016 21: 30
        On the Mi-28 there is no place to place radars in the bow, including from behind the turret.
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    3. 0
      31 August 2016 10: 17
      tomket
      The radar on the Mi-28 did not seem to register due to vibrations and the inability to move it to the bow, as received on the Ka-52.

      Registered on serial Iraqi cars
  9. +3
    30 August 2016 09: 53
    Quote: igor67
    Quote: APASUS
    The weak point of the Mi-28 is its electronic systems. For all time, the supratulco radar was not really completed, there were a number of fundamental systems. For many characteristics, it is really a good drummer, but the fact that it was accepted raw is indisputable

    Raw? So the car is thirty years old, how much can you pull,

    Well, on the other hand, on the attack helicopters, it is only left to "finish" the electronic systems. No particular progress or breakthrough is expected in the airframe. You can, for example, try various schemes, but we already have the Ka-52.
    1. 0
      31 August 2016 16: 50
      Well, why, following the example of Eurocopter, it is possible to develop a body and an armored capsule without using metal, but using composite materials. By doing this, the tiger was almost 2 times easier than the Apache to do, despite the serious survivability, according to the manufacturer, it can withstand several hits from the "zushka". So you can either increase the armor, or significantly reduce the weight on the Mi-28, I think it's not worth talking about the positive effects from this.
    2. 0
      31 August 2016 16: 50
      Well, why, following the example of Eurocopter, it is possible to develop a body and an armored capsule without using metal, but using composite materials. By doing this, the tiger was almost 2 times easier than the Apache to do, despite the serious survivability, according to the manufacturer, it can withstand several hits from the "zushka". So you can either increase the armor, or significantly reduce the weight on the Mi-28, I think it's not worth talking about the positive effects from this.
  10. +5
    30 August 2016 10: 30
    Without radar and missiles "Let it go and forget" it is not competitive
  11. +4
    30 August 2016 11: 01
    in my opinion this new hunter did not go out with a snout.
    1. 0
      30 August 2016 16: 10
      Quote: Thought

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      Thinking Today, 11: 01 New
      in my opinion this new hunter did not go out with a snout.

      But in my opinion the arrow has a better overview ...
    2. +1
      30 August 2016 17: 40
      He began to look like a European "Tiger", but it will be prettier.
    3. 0
      2 September 2016 21: 34
      in my opinion this new snout hunter did not come out

      Thank God that at least Buratinov’s nose was removed, on the previous this nose and even painted with another, light paint was a rare ... unsuccessful decision.
  12. +1
    30 August 2016 12: 52
    Modernization is good! Have you already mastered the production of new engines? Won't new helicopters, like frigates of the admiral series, wait for their real deliveries for a long, long time?
    1. 0
      31 August 2016 16: 59
      It seems that there are about 600 ready-made demand engines, including export and own needs. What does the same engine go to different turntables, from Mi-8 to Ka-52, if I am mistaken. Infa was that about 60 pieces so far mastered in a year, if so, it can lead to problems, under pressure, marriage often comes out.
    2. 0
      31 August 2016 16: 59
      It seems that there are about 600 ready-made demand engines, including export and own needs. What does the same engine go to different turntables, from Mi-8 to Ka-52, if I am mistaken. Infa was that about 60 pieces so far mastered in a year, if so, it can lead to problems, under pressure, marriage often comes out.
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    1. 0
      30 August 2016 20: 09
      Mi-28N is still angry, with a squint. Although his nose is ... yes ... And this one is like a cheburashka, round. The glasses of the arrow are wide open, and the nose is blunt and slurred. And the ass, because of this, seems hard. A little ridiculous, not dangerous. As an excellent mathematician with a rifle in bronics.
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  14. +4
    30 August 2016 19: 47
    Quote: Zaurbek
    I read in the press that the development of a promising 3000l.s engine was ordered for Apache. , given that it is 1,5 times lighter than our models, we get an impressive thrust-to-weight ratio.
    Mi-28 to 2-3 modernization will turn into a full-fledged modern combat vehicle. They need more, you need to replace both the Mi-24 and Mi-35.

    In my opinion, it would be necessary not to bring MI-28 to mind, like the main attack helicopter, but KA-50, which even in our time is relevant. I think that only special units in a limited series were handed over to the Shark in vain.
    The hunter-complex is good, but I think the prospects for Sharks are much greater both in capabilities and in the issue of modernization. The Alligator is a two-seat version of the Shark, in fact, it’s more successful than the Hunter.
    It is clear that MI-28 is quantitatively more in the army than Alligators and Sharks combined and they need to be modernized ... but I think the stake should be placed on the production of Sharks, making the KA-50 or its future modernization version the main attack helicopter.
    1. 0
      30 August 2016 20: 54
      The issue of price and ability to mass-produce a machine and operate in the army. Mi-28 is easier and cheaper. and the electronics will smooth out the differences between him and the Ka-52, whose further, the stronger. Destiny Kamov mountains and the sea, there he is a leader.
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    3. +3
      31 August 2016 10: 23
      Andrew (Nexus),
      In my opinion, it would be necessary not to bring MI-28 to mind, like the main attack helicopter, but KA-50, which even in our time is relevant. I think that only special units in a limited series were handed over to the Shark in vain.

      Yes, on Ka-50 questions no less.
      For starters, no matter what they say, one pilot cannot effectively perform a combat mission. Attack aircraft even require a co-pilot! What can I say about the turntable - which flies into the dense to the ground, which must be respected from the RPG, and also to direct itself.

      Therefore, the Ka-50 and as a night and as a turntable with more or less serious sighting systems is not suitable.
      Ed Macy, an Apache pilot, wrote in his book that when teaching all cadets, they suffer from severe headaches, due to the huge flow of information. What to say about one pilot.

      Secondly, the coaxial scheme is always more expensive in both production and operation than the classical one.

      Thirdly, on a coaxial scheme, it is already more difficult to place a supratulco radar (and it is much more important than a nasal one), since a not-so-good whatnot comes out.

      Fourth, when they solved the problem with the co-pilot on the Ka-52, he became heavier and less maneuverable. And the pilots are sitting nearby - to save weight.

      Fifth, with such an arrangement of pilots as on the ka-52, everyone controls only their hemisphere (there is no help!) And on the Mi-28 there is a safety net for each other.
      It was not for nothing that the Turks requested Ka-52 with a tandem cabin for their tender.

      Sixthly, retraining a pilot from Mi-24 to Mi-28 is much easier than on ka-52 - where there is a completely different machine and principles.

      But in general, the Turks did not in vain request exactly Ka-52 with a tandem cabin for their tender, and not shoulder to shoulder:
      1. +4
        31 August 2016 12: 55
        Falcon
        For starters, no matter what they say, one pilot cannot effectively perform a combat mission. Attack aircraft even require a co-pilot!

        PAK FA then single. And for our VKS, he will go in the series as a single-seat MPI. For the co-pilot in the T-50, a kind of AI complex. So why the same cannot be created in the KA-50? At the same time, leave the Alligator as a command complex. Well, and strengthen all this with electronic warfare equipment against MANPADS.
        Secondly, the coaxial scheme is always more expensive in both production and operation than the classical one.

        And who argues that? But at the same time it is more promising.
        Thirdly, on a coaxial scheme, it is already more difficult to place a supratulco radar (and it is much more important than a nasal one), since a not-so-good whatnot comes out.

        I agree ... but it’s possible to post ...
        Fourth, when they solved the problem with the co-pilot on the Ka-52, he became heavier and less maneuverable.

        Heavier yes ... but the Alligator did not lose much in maneuverability. Moreover, it surpasses the Hunter in armament.
        It was not for nothing that the Turks requested Ka-52 with a tandem cabin for their tender.

        KA-52-2 ERDOGAN is a controversial machine ... And the Turks abandoned it in favor of King Cobra ... but KA-54 is probably a better option, although little is heard about it.
        Sincerely. hi
        1. +1
          31 August 2016 14: 26
          Nexus
          PAK FA then single. And for our videoconferencing, he will go in series as a single IFI


          Well no, that's not it at all. We now do not spit everywhere MFIs))). Su-35s are also MFIs, but apart from the FABs, nothing has been suspended in real conditions. There is not even a full-time sighting system. AI will not save. It’s necessary to constantly get into the sighting system, to pilot too. Try driving a car while watching a movie on your phone. Hindus also want a double T-50.

          But at the same time, it is more promising.


          Well, if the prospects, then rather you need a pushing screw, and not continue to squeeze something from the last century. Type S-97

          or SH-60 with a pushing screw,

          By the way, I am convinced that this particular scheme, based on RACHEL developments and a high-speed laboratory at Mi-24, will be implemented on our high-speed helicopter.

          KA-52-2 ERDOGAN is a controversial machine ... And the Turks abandoned it in favor of King Cobra ... but KA-54 is probably a better option, although little is heard about it.

          It’s hard to say, I think these machines are very similar, and they weren’t in the iron anyway. But such a scheme should have been more promising, for a helicopter, but in the 90's.

          Now it seems to me that the time has already passed. It's time to launch high-speed helicopters and mq-9 analogues in a series yesterday

          Well, reinforce all this with electronic warfare equipment against MANPADS

          probably electronic warfare equipment and equipment against MANPADS. Well, one does not interfere with the other. It is not necessary to strengthen one thing by relaxing the other.
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  15. +3
    30 August 2016 20: 46
    I consider it a big mistake to adopt two of the same type helicopters at once. An ideal variant would be a standard attack helicopter with a rescue system like the Ka-52, retractable landing gear and very powerful armor. The Ka-52 scheme is more complex, there are restrictions on maneuvers due to the danger of lapping the blades, it is not possible to install an over-sleeve radar.
    1. 0
      30 August 2016 20: 58
      As soon as all Ka-52s are sold for export, the Russian attack helicopters will be unified immediately.

      A fixed gear is used to dampen speed in the event of a helicopter crash. Individual means of saving the crew by shooting rotor blades and pulling pilots using mini-missiles is a non-working solution, not a single KA-52 pilot decided on this circus. Enhanced reservations for an attack helicopter are not necessary, since it still will not save from MANPADS and ZSU, it is easier to use an attack helicopter with a minimum of armor on the second line as a platform for guided ammunition.
      And for the first line there are small reconnaissance UAVs that carry out target designation for guided ammunition.
  16. +1
    30 August 2016 20: 58
    Mi-28 very much lacks ejected pilot seats. Then it would be possible to abandon the non-removable energy-absorbing chassis, which would slightly increase the flight speed and range. At the same time, crew protection would be reduced due to the need to increase the cabin glazing area.
  17. +1
    30 August 2016 21: 19
    Quote: Operator
    A fixed gear is used to dampen speed in the event of a helicopter crash.

    And how many of our crews helped with the last crash?
    1. +1
      30 August 2016 22: 00
      One of the latest Mi-28 crashes - due to the destruction of the chassis and deformation of the fuselage, the crew survived an uncontrolled helicopter crash, the pilot died on the ground from the impact of the blade on the upper cockpit, and the weapons operator safely left the lower cockpit.

      The Mi-28 must be equipped with a laser altimeter and an emergency airbag similar to the BMD-2 landing system, which would operate at an altitude of 2-3 meters from the ground, as well as with shock sensors that would initiate the blades firing squibs.

      Then you don’t have to pull the pilots out of the collar with the help of rockets on the cable, like on the Ka-52, which has a completely different principle of bailout compared to the plane.
  18. 0
    31 August 2016 00: 21
    And why KAZ is not put on helicopters? Professionals, explain please
  19. 0
    31 August 2016 14: 45
    You are not to confuse a single helicopter with a single fighter. A helicopter can operate autonomously in a pair and search for targets and destroy. But the attack aircraft and the fighter no.
  20. 0
    3 September 2016 10: 28
    Quote from rudolf
    The co-pilot (navigator-operator) with the development of technology will become superfluous. UAV is not a panacea. An attack helicopter with one pilot will become the main one.


    By the way, yes. Work on automation and an intelligent system like they do in new dryers.
  21. 0
    3 September 2016 10: 54
    Quote: Falcon
    Su-35s are also MFIs, but apart from the FABs, nothing has been suspended in real conditions. There is not even a full-time sighting system. AI will not save.

    Despite all the multifunctionality, there are many other more adapted aircraft for such tasks in the VKS. I think the point is that if necessary, everything can be done.

    Quote: Falcon
    Well, if the prospects, then rather you need a pushing screw, and not continue to squeeze something from the last century. Type S-97

    Well, one doesn’t interfere with the other hi
  22. 0
    4 September 2016 20: 15
    The good news, the only thing I would like to know IF IF THE POWER INCREASED, will they also put a new gearbox? Since according to the information that I have repeatedly read (including on VO), the old gearbox constantly cuts chips into oil filters. Because of this, there were several serious accidents, just the hell technique, there are two more living people in it, on whom the state has spent a bunch of grandmas ...
  23. +2
    6 September 2016 17: 28
    Quote: 11 black

    I absolutely disagree that "Black Shark" is "Battlefield Helicopter" - with one pilot and no turret yes also with a coaxial design (piloting difficulty)like a helicopter in a battlefield, he is no one.


    Ahem ... in this place choked tea ...
    Excuse me. Have you written this seriously? Ile for a red word?
    So the coaxial scheme is much easier to pilot (there are no cross-links in channel control) than the classical one ...

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