Turkish company intends to launch serial production of Altay tanks

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Turkish company Otokar spreads a message about filing an application for mass production tanks Altay Earlier, representatives of Otokar signed an agreement on the creation of such a tank with the Turkish Ministry of Defense and the secretariat for the defense industry.

Based on the submitted application, Otokar plans to begin production of a series of 250 Altay tanks. At the same time, the company offers integrated logistics support for the program. The next stage from Otokar is the production of tanks "with modernized segments." Reports about it Anadolu.





The company's press service quotes Otokar CEO Serdar Goryuch:
After the accelerated implementation of the program, Turkey will receive a series of its own new tanks. Our company will help Turkey significantly reduce dependence on external factors in terms of the production of armored vehicles. All copyrights for design works and intellectual property rights to Altay will belong to the Republic of Turkey. Otokar as a manufacturer is ready to use all the human resources, experience and technology to implement the project, which is fully funded by Turkey.


At the same time, the company hopes that new tanks will show interest in other NATO countries. According to Goryuch, Otokar may consider extending production to other countries in case of interesting proposals from foreign investors.

The first official display of the Turkish tank was held in Istanbul last year in the format of the exhibition IDEF-2015. It is known that the mass of the tank - 60 t, and the manufacturers had serious problems with how the engine to place in a combat armored vehicle. Problems with the creation of the tank arose with the automatic loader. We thought for a long time, then decided to simplify everything, adding “instead of a new automatic loader” an additional crew member. The Turkish Altay has the 120 mm cannon as its main weapon. Cruising approximately 180 km far inferior to the most modern tank T-90.
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  1. avt
    +8
    29 August 2016 15: 37
    That's really really - "Sho? Again !?" How many years they have worn with this version of the Korean light, but to the mind the serial production has not been established. request
    1. +8
      29 August 2016 15: 41
      The German Leopard reminds me of something of this creation.
      1. +15
        29 August 2016 16: 00
        En no, everything is trickier here :)
        This is a copy of the Korean copy (XK-2) from the Korean copy (K-1) from the American M1 Abrams. As they say, in press releases - a purely Turkish tank!
        If the Turks really wanted to, they would have launched this tank a long time ago.
        And if they don’t start it, it means they either seriously messed up somewhere in the design, or they don’t really need it.
        As for me, this is more a PR project of the Turks. Like, "we are about to have our own tank, with blackjack and loaders," but for now we will buy your leopards on the cheap.
        1. +9
          29 August 2016 16: 03
          And they don’t want to let out the bus Kuban? laughing
          1. +6
            29 August 2016 16: 06
            Kuban, but where does the name Altai come from?
            1. +11
              29 August 2016 16: 16
              The Türkic peoples left Altai. Didn’t they hear ??? Therefore, the name Altai is very common among all Türks.

              And if you take the name of the tank, it is in honor of the Turkish General Fehrettin Altai, who commanded the 5th Cavalry Corps during the Turkish War of Independence 1919-1923.
            2. +9
              29 August 2016 16: 20
              Bus "Kuban-G1A1-02"
            3. +2
              29 August 2016 16: 59
              Kuban, but where does the name Altai come from?

              . The tank was named after Army General Fakhrettin Altai (1880-1974), who commanded the 5th Cavalry Corps during the Turkish War of Independence 1919-1923.
          2. +2
            29 August 2016 17: 01
            And they don’t want to let out the bus Kuban?

            No. They would not have reached such a "design"! wassat
        2. +1
          29 August 2016 19: 19
          About blackjack and lovers said cool good
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    2. +3
      29 August 2016 16: 04


      generally, the Korean panther looks good, better than the Turkish one.
      1. +2
        29 August 2016 16: 20
        This tank is most similar to the German Leopard.
        1. +2
          30 August 2016 02: 07
          In the photo, in general, the first prototype of Altai, probably based on Leo2, there are other photos of later versions. Technologically, this is more likely a mix from Leo2 - a platform, dvigun, and a tower with KAZ from K2.

          Here are more relevant tank pictures

      2. +4
        29 August 2016 20: 46
        She not only looks good, but the car is very serious.
        The fact that the Turks are launching it is a great progress in their industry.
        Abrams can relax at a meeting.
      3. +1
        30 August 2016 05: 48
        The Korean is clearly a better thing, there is an automatic loader which, according to rumors, ours helped to do.
        1. 0
          30 August 2016 12: 17
          These are rather just rumors, since the AZ is on K2, Type 10, as well as on the Leclerc drum type and if anyone helped there, it's the French.
    3. 0
      30 August 2016 00: 04
      the campaign really wants to get independence from NATO and the European Union, but why? If for so many years everything suited them ...
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    5. +1
      30 August 2016 02: 09
      [Quote] Truly, "Sho? Again!?" "How many years have they been worn with this version of the Korean light, but they have not started serial production. [/ quote

      And how much? The first sketch was drawn in 2007. 10 years from sketch to serial production for such a complex device as a modern MBT is not so much.
  2. +23
    29 August 2016 15: 37
    Weight 60 tons! It seems that the tank’s billet is first cast in its entirety, and then drilled places for the crew, engine and weapons wassat
  3. +3
    29 August 2016 15: 40
    The trend is on the face. Both Poland and Turkey are trying to produce their weapons. Another thing is that they have no traditions, no engineering school, and they follow the path of copying and borrowing. With cars, it works. But with the tanks not really.
  4. +7
    29 August 2016 15: 40
    "The uniform is English, the tobacco is Belgian, the shoulder strap is Japanese - the ruler of Omsk" (c) about Kolchak.
    "A gun from Abrams, a tower from K2, VLD and sights from Leclerc, general concept from Leopard, name from the Russians" - about the Altai tank.
    P.S. I know that Altai is the ancestral home of the Turkic peoples, but still :)
    1. +1
      29 August 2016 15: 51
      The tank was named after General of the Army Fakhrettin Altai (1880-1974), who commanded the 5th Cavalry Corps during the Turkish War of Independence 1919-1923 [1].
      1. 0
        29 August 2016 15: 56
        And on whom, excuse me, did the Turks depend on the time period you specified?
        1. +3
          29 August 2016 16: 08
          The Entente "defeated" the Ottoman Empire. There, Greece "bit off" something, Syria and Egypt were separated, Could and completely, to the molecules, divide. They honor Ataturk for a reason.
          1. +3
            29 August 2016 18: 59
            Soviet Russia helped the Turks defend their independence.
            1. +5
              29 August 2016 21: 40
              Quote: Black Colonel
              Soviet Russia helped the Turks defend their independence.
              - who remembers this and should remember? Judging by the behavior of Erdogan, nothing like that happened in the past .... The Council of Jews in Russia ran into the new Minister of Education of Russia, a woman, like, "we suspect you, my dear friend, of sympathy for Stalin and therefore we demand your resignation. ! ". First, since when does this council of Jews decide who is to be a minister in Russia? Secondly, if Stalin repressed whom, then he touched the Jews least of all, mainly the repressions concerned the thieving bureaucrats, which is now sorely lacking, and here the question arises - who asks the Jews to take care of the Russian people? Let them take care of themselves, loved ones. And most importantly, the Jews have somehow very cleverly forgotten that a) who saved them from the Holocaust? and b) who created the state of Israel?
              I cited this example with the Jews not in vain, it is enough to hope for someone’s gratitude already, it won’t be, you need to be strong. Only the strong can afford to do some good things to others, not hoping for subsequent gratitude. And they will only be grateful to the strong, they will not thank the weak, they will throw the weak in this regard. Something like that...
          2. +1
            30 August 2016 01: 49
            Greece took its original, and far from it still took. but this time we'll take it.
    2. +1
      29 August 2016 16: 01
      German abrash cannon
    3. avt
      0
      29 August 2016 17: 10
      "A weapon from Abrams,
      Actually, the USs took the 120mm barrel for the Abrashi from the Germans with the Leopard2 at one time, and started with their development at 105mm.
      1. 0
        29 August 2016 17: 16
        And the engine is in my German MTU, no?
      2. +1
        29 August 2016 17: 50
        Yes, and 105 based on the British L 7.
  5. +5
    29 August 2016 15: 40
    No laughing matter, serial production is 50% of the work on developing a new model. We will have the same test with the serial production of "Armata", "Boomerang", Kurganets "
  6. +5
    29 August 2016 15: 41
    We thought for a long time, then we decided to simplify everything by adding “instead of a new automatic loader” an additional crew member

    We thought a little more ... and decided: instead of the engine, put a dozen barmaley for the crankshaft ... in order to remove the problem with dvigl)))
  7. +2
    29 August 2016 15: 42
    Turkish company intends to launch serial production of Altay tanks
    Congratulations!
    "Instead of a new automatic loader" of an additional crew member.
    In the best traditions of the "best tank builders" in the world laughing My traditional one: How does this "Altay" overcome rivers? Waiting for the bridge to be built. Or is it not "sharpened" for a theater of war where there are rivers laughing
  8. 0
    29 August 2016 15: 50
    The United States has already sent to Turkey a batch of 250 blacks-pitching for the position of loaders
  9. cap
    +1
    29 August 2016 15: 51
    Quote: Zaurbek
    No laughing matter, serial production is 50% of the work on developing a new model. We will have the same test with the serial production of "Armata", "Boomerang", Kurganets "


    It’s really not worth laughing, it’s better to wait until he appears at the competition. In Russia.
    Then all the conclusions. That is, as with the Chinese.
  10. +1
    29 August 2016 15: 52
    A little off topic, but on the topic.
    News on the net. "Putin will not go to the UN General Assembly this year." Infa hangs on Yandex. Apparently, there is a fear that it will not reach, or will not return.
    Everything seems to be. Got game. It is about to begin ...
    1. +11
      29 August 2016 16: 02
      "It seems that everything. Got badly. It's about to begin ..."

      Who got lost? What will start? If now the planet lives in peace and tranquility. And if Putin had previously attended all sessions of the UN General Assembly. I was at the jubilee - I voiced my thoughts - who needed to, understood, who shouldn't, what is the use of repeating?

      In general, the comment inspired: "Chief, everything is gone, the plaster is being removed ..."

    2. +3
      29 August 2016 16: 15
      "Everything" will be when Europe and the United States lift the sanctions and, in spite of, sing about world peace and great Russia. Then check the stew stocks, comrades. This means Russia has finally decided to use a global blow.
    3. +6
      29 August 2016 20: 42
      Putin will not go to the UN General Assembly this year. "Infa hangs on Yandex. Apparently, there is a fear that he will not reach, or will not return.


      This is an annual event, and Putin has been there 4 times since the presidency.

      Everything seems to be. Got game. That's about to start ...


  11. +1
    29 August 2016 16: 06
    With a laugh fall. Especially with the solution - well, his, this complex automatic loader, we’ll put another crew member, it's cheaper.
  12. +2
    29 August 2016 16: 08
    MBT-Altai in terms of sales (if exports are not slowed down by Germany, the USA, Korea). Will become the most serious competitor to the Leopards2A5 / 7 and T90MS. especially in Islamic countries.
    1. +4
      29 August 2016 16: 13
      Before creating competition, he must at least somehow prove himself, it is better, of course, in battle, which I think will happen soon and of course the price, that would not go off scale, So that soon we will see what kind of "beast" it is and what its prospects are. ...
      1. 0
        29 August 2016 16: 18
        Where did the T-90 prove itself before being sold to India? Individual knots were well known to the Hindus. And here is a similar situation. The weapon is Rheinmetal, the box with the engine is MTU, etc. The Turks still have access to technologies from Western countries, plus a large internal need for tanks. This means there will be a lot of experience in operation. And compare this situation with the Ukrainian "OPLOT" they cannot put into service, there is no serial production. And what is the export perspective of the tank?
        1. +3
          29 August 2016 16: 30
          The T-90 was the DEVELOPMENT of the T-72, which is in service with many countries and actually differed from it only in the new tower, but Leo-2 in many Islamic countries is in service, and the Korean K-2, this is far from Leo -2, especially on the engine, it’s too innovative for the Korean, not every farmer is able to exploit it ...
          1. +2
            29 August 2016 16: 34
            LEO in terms of money export is the most commercially successful tank. And MTU is one of three four manufacturers of such diesel engines in the world. But it is she who can slow down the export of ALTAI without issuing a re-export license. As already done with 155mm howitzers for Azerbaijan, it seems.
    2. 0
      29 August 2016 21: 05
      Quote: Zaurbek
      MBT-Altai in terms of sales (if exports are not slowed down by Germany, the USA, Korea). Will become the most serious competitor to the Leopards2A5 / 7 and T90MS. especially in Islamic countries.

      Let me support the idea, I think many Turkish allies do not need a Turkish tank, competition is serious. I think that’s why the Ukrainian tank building was buried. Moreover, Erdogan’s independence is growing so fast. I think the tank will be launched by an experimental batch and all ....... ..
  13. 0
    29 August 2016 16: 11
    It is known that the mass of the tank is 60 tons.
    Engine, engine, but how many bridges can this "panzer" hold?
    1. 0
      29 August 2016 16: 20
      in Turkey there are not so many rivers and bridges have recently become better to build and wars are mostly not global (no need to transfer thousands of tanks across the country)
      1. +1
        29 August 2016 16: 31
        There are plenty of them in the areas bordering Syria, both on the territory of Syria itself and Turkey
        1. +1
          29 August 2016 16: 44
          I think the Turks don’t know how to count, and they themselves know the features of the area and have their own engineering troops ... and they formed the requirements for the main tank in more than one day.
  14. +1
    29 August 2016 16: 52
    alex-s,
    It’s a normal bus to carry a cameraman through the villages or a team of artists. In our pioneer camp, there is such a blvd.
    1. +1
      30 August 2016 09: 08
      Such a normal bus

      body on the truck chassis!
      As the janitor Tikhon used to say: "To whom the mare has a bride." wink
  15. 0
    29 August 2016 16: 54
    The delicate balance in the weight of a modern tank (based on mobility and security) lies between 50tn and 70tn. No need to think that some manufacturer is much smarter than another. Each country chooses this balance based on its military strategy.
    Secret steels are much lighter than others no one has. The main penetrating damage means are approximately equal.
  16. PKK
    0
    29 August 2016 18: 33
    There was an idea to make TNCs from the compartments, twisting them together. Often the repair will be unscrewing the compartment and connect another one instead. Are there too many troubles?
  17. +2
    29 August 2016 18: 48
    Be that as it may, it looks more interesting than the Ukrainian squalor "for a city battle" with video peepers from intercoms
  18. +1
    29 August 2016 22: 45
    Similar to leo but on TTX it seems worse)

  19. 0
    29 August 2016 23: 27
    60 tons with a range of 180 km ...
    In a straight line. On the parquet.
    Yy-hey-hey-hey-hey
    laughing
  20. 0
    29 August 2016 23: 54
    Quote: oleg-gr

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    oleg-gr Today, 15: 41 ↑
    The German Leopard reminds me of something of this creation.

    correctly reminds wink
  21. +1
    30 August 2016 02: 25
    Quote: Orionvit
    Schools of real tank building have developed in only a few countries. The states, Great Britain, and France are in the second rows after the USSR and Germany. All other manufacturers, just plagiarists, with their attempts to concoct something worthwhile.

    Clear. And Christie ("in the second row") copied his chassis from the BT? smile
  22. +1
    30 August 2016 09: 03
    Was the tank named after the region of the Russian Federation? Altai.
    1. 0
      30 August 2016 13: 05
      Was the tank named after the region of the Russian Federation? Altai.

      they had such a general, and they named him after him.
  23. 0
    30 August 2016 11: 30
    Quote: karabas-barabas
    That's really really - "Sho? Again !?" How many years they have worn with this version of the Korean light, but to the mind the serial production has not been established.

    And how much? The first sketch was drawn in 2007. 10 years from sketch to serial production for such a complex device as a modern MBT is not so much.

    This assessment is especially touched by the fact that there is no talk of any 10 years of development of the Altai MBT. The time frame is much longer.
    Regarding K2:
    Despite the fact that the K1 tank and its modification K1A1 were more than an adequate response to North Korean tanks, in 1995 it was decided to launch a program to develop a fundamentally new main battle tank.
    About K1, which, in fact, is the predecessor of the more advanced K2 (which they are trying to reproduce in the form of a "purely Turkish" "Altai"):
    K1 (Type 88) - the main battle tank of South Korea, a variant of the American tank M1 "Abrams", adapted to Korean operating conditions. Designed in the late 1970s - early 1980s. It was mass-produced from 1985 to 2010. Tank fleet K1 and its modifications has been supplemented and in the future will be replaced with K2 Black Panther tanks.
    Total: the basis of "Altai" is lost in the 70s. In fact, the Koreans have been developing the more advanced K2 since 1995.
    In March 2007, an agreement was signed between the Secretariat of the Defense Industry (SSM) of the Ministry of Defense of Turkey and the Turkish company Otokar to create the Turkish national tank Altay. Otokar has entered into an agreement with the South Korean company Hyundai Rotem to jointly develop a new tank. The contract was signed following a tender in which the German company KMW also participated. The first model of the tank was presented to the public on May 11, 2011 at the IDEF-2011 arms exhibition, which was held in Istanbul.
    In creating a new combat vehicle, the experience gained by the Koreans in creating their own K2 Black Panther tank was widely used. According to the Turkish side, Altay borrowed 60% of the technology used in K2.

    So: 1) the development of the Altai tank lasts (including the development of its predecessors from Korea) about 30 years, 2) the Turks are clearly doing everything to simplify the Korean predecessor, tk. the normal level of work is not pulled yet.
    By the way, I do not see anything wrong with the fact that the predecessors of Altai began to be developed in the "shaggy 70s". The T-72 is even older in this regard. It's about where the modification is heading. If in relation to the T-72, this is a clear increase in combat potential, and mainly by its own, Russian, forces. In relation to the Altai, it is a clear opposite trend: they took K2 and tried to simplify it as much as possible, even to the detriment of combat qualities. Needless to say, reasoning about Turkish authenticity is simply ridiculous here?
    1. 0
      30 August 2016 13: 02
      Very strange logic, then Altai has been developing for more than 100 years, starting from the first tank, this or that technology moves into the next model.

      It's about where the modification is heading. If in relation to the T-72, this is a clear increase in combat potential, and mainly by its own, Russian, forces. In relation to the Altai, it is a clear opposite trend: they took K2 and tried to simplify it as much as possible, even to the detriment of combat qualities. Needless to say, the speculations about Turkish authenticity are ridiculous here?


      What are you talking about in general, what kind of build-up of "combat potential" on the T-72 ?? Then why Armata, if with the T-72 you can endlessly build something up and in your opinion it surpasses the "simplified" (why such a conclusion is not clear) K2, or Altai? In my opinion, on the contrary, in Altai all new trends and technologies of modernity have been taken into account and the tank will turn out to be serious. The difference will primarily be in more powerful armor, since the K2 itself is lightweight among Western tanks.
  24. 0
    30 August 2016 14: 25
    All copyrights for design work and intellectual property rights on Altay will belong to the Republic of Turkey.

    Bullshit. The fact that the Koreans handed them the production technologies and documentation for the components of the tank does not mean that the Turks somehow acquired the copyright and obtained the intellectual property of these technologies and components.

    Altay is K2, which was strengthened by the reservation, and in order to keep it, they lengthened the casing and shoved 7 rollers instead of 6. And also removed the “extra” expensive lotions, saving 3 million.

    At the same time, the sages from Otokar are still sitting and scratching their turnips, but why replace the Renk transmission now and replace the German engine?
    The "own" engine is "developed" by the Turks, because it is clear that the MTU Friedrichshafen 1,500hp does not pull it.

    Well, what about the FCS, the Koreans flew over the Turks so that it would not be bold))
    Therefore, the OMS of the Turks homegrown.

    At the same time, the company expects that they will show interest in new tanks in other NATO countries.

    Yes, yes, yes, they sleep and see how to take advantage of the creation of Turkish programmers, do not understand how the chassis works and the beautiful price tag for the "optimized" Korean K2.
    1. 0
      31 August 2016 14: 38
      because it is clear that MTU Friedrichshafen 1,500hp does not pull it.


      How is this clear to you? MTU leopard print derated and easy, 1800hp is adjusted by the crews themselves in a few minutes. The crews of Leo2 Bundever have this practice, and the "Instandsetzung" or Mechanized Brigades were opened at 2200. So it will be enough for Altai. This B2 was inflated to the point and the motor for cars 50t + is a big smut in Russia now.

      Yes, yes, yes, they sleep and see how to take advantage of the creation of Turkish programmers, do not understand how the chassis works and the beautiful price tag for the "optimized" Korean K2.


      The Turks have long grown serious in the technological plan of the military-industrial complex, they have already repeatedly confirmed this, for example with the Leo2NG project. A large number of specialists with European technical education returned to the country, in addition, the Turks, as NATO members, have access to modern technologies, high-quality components, starting with LED bags, sensors, ending with motors, gearboxes, high-strength alloys and other nishtyaks. I would not underestimate the Turks, especially since having Leo2 and modernization, the choice for a new tank still fell to it, which for me means that it will not be worse at least.
  25. 0
    30 August 2016 14: 30
    Quote: Through the mouth of a baby
    It was not in vain that I singled out - not the hundredth time the modernized T-55, 62. 72, but a new one. Nobody knows what is in her and what kind of bird she is, but everyone crowed together -fi!

    How much can you drive bullshit on the forum, are you our infant lips? Almost everything is known about Altay, except that even the Turks themselves are not aware)) For example, what to stick instead of the transmission and engine, provided for in the Korean K2 project.
  26. 0
    30 August 2016 22: 43
    aksakal,
    Intersno, why Trotsky and similar executioners were ignored, and it was precisely Leyba Davydovich and co. Who helped the Turks. In the Cheka there were a majority of hereditary lawyers, the government was theirs. “Together with Trotsky”: the origins of the “purges of 1937” in the Red Army.http: / /communitarian.ru/publikacii/istoriya_rossii/vmeste_s_trockim_istok
    i_chistok_1937_goda_v_krasnoy_armii /
  27. 0
    31 August 2016 01: 45
    Quote: Lips of the baby
    Very interesting! exactly everything is known? Share your ergonomic experience with me. Or ease of maintenance? Or inconvenience ... Is maintainability satisfactory? Coarse or modular? You know everything ...

    It is known within the context of the discussion, what is something to smack nonsense? The known composition of the main units, equipment and general design features.

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