Turkey launches Leopard-2А4 tanks to the Syrian border

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Turkey uses to invade Syria Tanks American-made M-60s, which have long been considered obsolete, have vulnerable armor and weak guns, writes Messenger of Mordovia.

Therefore, “it is not surprising that the first reports of losses are coming. Wanting to somehow correct the situation, the Turkish command began to transfer its most modern tanks to the border. We are talking about Germany-set "Leopards" -2А4 ", - the article says.



Turkey launches Leopard-2А4 tanks to the Syrian border


These tanks have multi-layered armor, 1500-strong diesel engines and thermal imaging devices.

“However, by today's standards, the tanks of this modification also cannot be considered modern. According to military experts, a lot of questions are caused by the protection of Leopards. Their frontal armor has anti-cumulative resistance hardly more than 600 mm. Therefore, these tanks will be able to easily punch head-on most of the anti-tank complexes available in Syria, such as TOW-2A, Konkurs M, Kornet, and others. The German cat’s armor and such hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers "Vampire" "- writes the edition.



In addition, in Afghanistan, the Leopard-2 tanks revealed a significant drawback - weak protection from mines and land mines. So, in Syria, Turkish tank units may suffer losses not only from anti-tank guided missiles, but also from dangerous "surprises" on the roads, the author notes.

According to experts, the “Syrian campaign of the Turkish Leopards will end very sadly, which will certainly affect sales of German armored vehicles abroad,” the agency concludes.

The video of the destruction of the Turkish tank M60T Sabra in the area of ​​the Syrian Jarablus appeared on the network.
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  1. +25
    August 29 2016
    Let's see how these tanks will hold shots from the TOW-2A, otherwise all the experts will criticize our equipment ...
    1. +9
      August 29 2016
      Good NATO weapon check. If the Syrian campaign of the Turkish Leopards ends very sadly, they will buy weapons from other manufacturers.
      1. +16
        August 29 2016
        Good NATO weapons test.

        And in my opinion, the main thing in this news is that Turkey is transferring even more equipment to Syria, and which one is secondary.
        From the news earlier:
        Erdogan: our operation in northern Syria will continue until we uproot this separatist terrorist organization.

        Immediately the United States, and now Turkey, will conduct hostilities in the territory of another state without any permission to do so. The UN has long shown its worthlessness, but will Syria again not do anything with the support of the Russian Federation? Yes, there are situations in which there are no good solutions, but if nothing is done, then it will only get worse.
        1. +14
          August 29 2016
          but Syria with the support of the Russian Federation will not do anything again?

          You’re sitting here such an intelligent strategist, reading this news and thinking that you are worried about everything, own complete information on this situation and know what to do?
          Do you think the General Staff do not know anything and do not want to do anything?
          Do not write absurdity ..
          1. 0
            August 29 2016
            I do not know how true it is, but there was news that the Turks were postponing this attack because of the downed su-24 because the sky was closed to them. So now the sky has opened and this means that everything was agreed.

            news https://ria.ru/syria/20160827/1475440846.html
        2. +4
          August 29 2016
          Meanwhile, the Turks are gradually expanding their territory. So far, the operation is quite successful
          1. +1
            August 29 2016
            Should someone explain to the Kurds that their independence, relying on the United States, is worthless ?! Here are the Turks and explain.
            When the Kurds understand everything, let’s sit down and talk.
            East is a delicate matter. The main thing is that we are on a hill and look down at the tigers.
          2. 0
            August 30 2016
            Meanwhile, the Turks are gradually expanding their territory. So far, the operation is quite successful

            It depends on what can be called an operation here, if Turkey's "fight" against ISIS is just a bluff, most likely it is just a cover for the supply of weapons and manpower to the militants, but if the fight against the Kurds, then this operation has nothing to do with those declared by Erdogan plans to combat terrorism.
      2. +1
        August 29 2016
        Rojava has mainly Milan, Matador and Panzerfausta from Merkel. There are not many SDFs in the whole SDF (Tou just supplied mainly the FSA and groups under Azaz).

        They were also brought in by the Javelins, but there is an opinion that they are controlled only by groups completely loyal to Americans with the American command.
      3. +9
        August 29 2016
        [quote] If the Syrian campaign of the Turkish "Leopards" ends very sadly, then they will buy weapons from other manufacturers. [/ quote

        The Egyptians armed with Soviet weapons went through all the wars of Israel, but this does not mean that Soviet weapons are bad. This indicates the curvature of the Egyptian military.
        So let's see how the Turks are able to cope with modern technology.
      4. +5
        August 29 2016
        These same tanks will work in conjunction with artillery and aviation, so there will always be arguments (both justified and not very good) to justify certain failures and victories. I can only say that Leopard-2 will show itself perfectly in the field, that is, they are unlikely to get there, but in the city they can know it ***** they can give it (as indeed any other tank). The Germans still know how to make armored vehicles, as we and the Americans can do it.
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    3. +7
      August 29 2016
      Yes, that would be interesting to check.
      1. +1
        August 29 2016
        Interestingly in Syria t72-90 will meet with leopards or abrams.
    4. +2
      August 29 2016
      Such a good ground for testing weapons and armored vehicles in combat conditions.
      And in addition, it seems to me, but in vain the Turks, after a massive purge in the army, rushed to Syria, the command staff is demoralized. I think the Turks are waiting for big losses. De facto, American weapons will destroy American armored vehicles. Although the Kurds and the supply of weapons from Russia were.
      1. +6
        August 29 2016
        Remember "Ivan Vasilyevich is changing his profession"?
        Where did the archers prone to riots go right away?
        - Take Kazan!
        So is Erdogan. lol
        1. 0
          August 29 2016
          Well then, he should remind how that story ended.
    5. +1
      August 29 2016
      Let's see how these tanks will be shots from the TOW-2A

      Chei didn’t notice much among the TOU Kurds, Black has a little, but mostly Chinese anti-tank systems, and the Kurds of Milan. Tou just uses Nusra and Co., and they are at the forefront of the offensive. There is little bet on the Kurds, everyone is advised to flee for Efrat, and raise bridges to the air ...
  2. 0
    August 29 2016
    Turkish Armed Forces are gradually getting bogged down in a Syrian meat grinder. In it, the Leopards, like the Abrams, Challengers, Leclerc, our T-90s will not achieve victory.
    1. +1
      August 29 2016
      I would definitely put a minus.
    2. +3
      August 29 2016
      they won’t get bogged down there, they didn’t let in infantry. Brotrotechnics, the Air Force and special forces, this is all the support of Turkman and Arabs. They got stuck in their own country. Where the police columns and sections explode. They’ll quickly lay down the visible enemy, the situation is not Turkey. Turkmens and Arabs with Kurds will not try. You support the Kurdish detachments in the head, and in Turkey such people and relatives of terrorists in parliament are deputies and lower Turkey for the most, and they don’t have anything for it.

      Here is a photo of the Kurdish detainees.


      1. +1
        August 29 2016
        Judging by the photo, this Kurd belongs to the PKK, which means a terrorist for the Turks, accordingly draw conclusions about his future fate.
        1. +3
          August 29 2016
          It can belong to YPG, Apo and there and there Figure Number 1. And in general, these organizations are very integrated. And in fact they differ in name.
          1. +1
            August 29 2016
            Good day, Ali! It’s closer to you, therefore it’s more visible.
            But I don't understand Erdogan. He should close the borders, find his own Kadyrov among the local Kurds, and "calm down" the situation in the country. And he rushes like a bulldozer, creating new problems. He essentially hangs by a thread in world politics. It seems that the USA would not be against the change of power in Turkey, with Moscow it somehow smoothed out the problems - one of his mistakes, and the GDP will also "merge" it. Why would he babysit him?
            It is clear that he is pursuing some goals. To press the Kurds, a free zone for refugees, etc. But after all, IS can also deal with supplies - I think everything will be visible in Aleppo. They will not last long without supplies. And if heavy fighting continues, then someone is engaged in replenishment and supply. Moreover, Kerry and Lavrov claim that they have agreed on something - and Erdogan can ruin everything, and then I’m afraid not to make him happy. Why is Erdogan taking such a risk? Or someone in the dark uses it? The only thing that calms down is the phone. Erdogan's negotiations with GDP after the invasion of Syria. What worries me is that if Erdogan is "removed" at such a time, then Turkey may fall apart and plunge into chaos. And he begs for it himself. This is all incomprehensible against the background of events within Turkey itself, where terrorist attacks have been raging every week. hi
            The tanks only say that he wants to conduct an offensive operation. Otherwise, it was possible to get by with barrel artillery for holding. I am convinced that the Turks will not quickly solve anything there, and therefore will "get bogged down" - why does the Sultan need this !? Or is he completely stupid and "bronzed" (pulled away from life) or something I don't understand?
            1. +2
              August 29 2016
              There are so many interests tied, damn leg break. And in Turkey, at the moment, Erdogan seems to have the support of the population. And he crushed the army, since Ataturk this was not ...
    3. 0
      August 29 2016
      dumpy15
      "The Turkish Armed Forces are gradually getting bogged down in the Syrian meat grinder. Leopards, like the Abrams, Challengers, Leclercs, our T-90s will not achieve victory"...

      Hmm ... Did the Turks enter the battle with the Syrian forces and the Russian contingent?
  3. +1
    August 29 2016
    They will burn very well. We wait.
    1. +4
      August 29 2016
      Well, while the Turks and their broads have no special problems.

      Three tanks successfully caught, this is nothing. The strategic objective is to cut off all the forces of the SDF on the West Bank in fact. They will go to the dam by evening. After the loss of the dam - transferring significant reinforcements, retreating with equipment will become impossible for the Kurds and SDF.
      1. 0
        August 29 2016
        Manbij is sorry for the Kurds to leave, it was very difficult for them to storm. But without air support, the Kurds cannot survive.
  4. 0
    August 29 2016
    Mujahideen will have fun
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  6. +2
    August 29 2016
    In the video, the second missile in the M60 tore it into a snot. Immediately flashed. The crew immediately campaign Khan.
    1. +6
      August 29 2016
      Weak point M-60 - the tower is rotated hydraulically.
      The liquid is flammable and immediately lights up in a circle around the tower.
      Mostly, for this reason, Israel abandoned the M-60.
    2. +3
      August 29 2016


      Here is Sabra holding the Cornet, the crew escaped with fright. There are also photos of the effects on the net, the combined armor worked perfectly.
    3. +1
      August 29 2016


      Here is Sabra holding the Cornet, the crew escaped with fright. There are also photos of the effects on the net, the combined armor worked perfectly.
    4. 0
      August 29 2016
      Even did not understand what kind of FIGnya, here again, a video of Sabra vs Cornet.
  7. 0
    August 29 2016
    an obvious plus from the m60, which is easier to hide - more squat
    1. 0
      August 29 2016
      m60 squat?
  8. PKK
    0
    August 29 2016
    Losses will depend on tactics, if you shoot from three kilometers and from behind cover and leave, then there will be less losses.
  9. +2
    August 29 2016
    here it will become clearer and clearer what the "Leopard" -2A4 are ". In Syria, the setting is not a pavilion exhibition. You don't need to talk a lot. And Russian specialists will also learn a lot for themselves.
    1. +3
      August 29 2016
      Leo-2 fought in Afghanistan as part of the Dutch
      contingent. ATGMs were not particularly there, but
      RPG they held. The Dutch reinforced them, weighed
      bars.
      1. +7
        August 29 2016
        "An online video of the destruction of a Turkish M60T Sabra tank in the Syrian Jarablus region."

        There is also a video where Sabra holds an ATGM Cornet, so that in the frontal projection all of these Israeli blocks of modular armor quite seriously hold blows. In a side projection, such a strike by Sabra will not stand, like the T-72, T-90 fighting now in Syria.

        "Therefore, these tanks will be able to easily penetrate" head-on "most of the anti-tank systems available in Syria, such as the TOW-2A"

        Did the authors see this for a red word? I have never seen a version of TOW-2A in any of the hundreds of TOU videos, but I only saw TOU1, which differs significantly in the sighting system.

        "In addition, in Afghanistan, the Leopard-2 tanks had a significant drawback - poor protection from mines and land mines."

        Again, either the incompetence of the authors of this article, or deliberately mislead people. The only case in which one member of the Leo2 crew-driver was killed happened on the Danish Leo2A5 car without anti-mine modernization, which has long been standard on Leo2, and this was the only such car there, the rest are all Leo2A5M +. That land mine was significantly more powerful than the usual 10kg TNT anti-tank mine, which, as you know, leaves no chance for the entire crew in tanks such as the T-72 or T-90 (at which bottom it migrated from the T-72 without changes) and tears them to shreds due to the lineup features. And there were enough cases of landmine explosions, which, on the contrary, showed the mine's mine resistance, which in turn boosted the number of orders for Rheinmetall products and forced Canada to cancel its plans to abandon MBT and switch to wheeled tanks like the Strikers with a 105mm gun. That is a statement like this -

        "According to experts," the Syrian campaign of the Turkish Leopards will end very sadly, which will certainly affect the sales of German armored vehicles abroad, "the agency concludes.

        - Designed for fools who are too lazy to see how over the past 20 years, especially since the mid-2000s, after the experience in Afghanistan, how much Leo2 sales and modernization packages have risen for it, and this despite the fact that the prices are among the highest in the world. The Arabs are not allowed by the German parliament to sell German Leo2, which greatly pleased the Spaniards, who make Leo2 under license. But despite the fact that the Spanish Leo2 is much cheaper, the Arabs want the German because of higher quality.
      2. +1
        August 29 2016
        "An online video of the destruction of a Turkish M60T Sabra tank in the Syrian Jarablus region."

        There is also a video where Sabra holds an ATGM Cornet, so that in the frontal projection all of these Israeli blocks of modular armor quite seriously hold blows. In a side projection, such a strike by Sabra will not stand, like the T-72, T-90 fighting now in Syria.

        "Therefore, these tanks will be able to easily penetrate" head-on "most of the anti-tank systems available in Syria, such as the TOW-2A"

        Did the authors see this for a red word? I have never seen a version of TOW-2A in any of the hundreds of TOU videos, but I only saw TOU1, which differs significantly in the sighting system.

        "In addition, in Afghanistan, the Leopard-2 tanks had a significant drawback - poor protection from mines and land mines."

        Again, either the incompetence of the authors of this article, or deliberately mislead people. The only case in which one member of the Leo2 crew-driver was killed happened on the Danish Leo2A5 car without anti-mine modernization, which has long been standard on Leo2, and this was the only such car there, the rest are all Leo2A5M +. That land mine was significantly more powerful than the usual 10kg TNT anti-tank mine, which, as you know, leaves no chance for the entire crew in tanks such as the T-72 or T-90 (at which bottom it migrated from the T-72 without changes) and tears them to shreds due to the lineup features. And there were enough cases of landmine explosions, which, on the contrary, showed the mine's mine resistance, which in turn boosted the number of orders for Rheinmetall products and forced Canada to cancel its plans to abandon MBT and switch to wheeled tanks like the Strikers with a 105mm gun. That is a statement like this -

        "According to experts," the Syrian campaign of the Turkish Leopards will end very sadly, which will certainly affect the sales of German armored vehicles abroad, "the agency concludes.

        - Designed for fools who are too lazy to see how over the past 20 years, especially since the mid-2000s, after the experience in Afghanistan, how much Leo2 sales and modernization packages have risen for it, and this despite the fact that the prices are among the highest in the world. The Arabs are not allowed by the German parliament to sell German Leo2, which greatly pleased the Spaniards, who make Leo2 under license. But despite the fact that the Spanish Leo2 is much cheaper, the Arabs want the German because of higher quality.
  10. 0
    August 29 2016
    Erdrogan after half a year: - We decided to abandon NATO standards and now we are switching to Russian equipment. There, at least the dynamics somehow save.
    -But there, kondeev, and any innovative technologies, why do you need them?
    Erdrogan: -.....

    And the answer, I never came up with.
  11. 0
    August 29 2016
    Germans forgot how to make armored vehicles?!? !!? it would be nice if so .... and how the duel T-72 - Leopard 2A4 ends ???? I would like our victory .....
    1. +1
      August 29 2016
      and what will end the duel T-72 - Leopard 2A4 ???? I would like our victory.

      The result may be different because circumstances and qualifications mean a lot.
    2. 0
      August 29 2016
      The Turks Leopards have modifications of the late 80s, the old ones are already very.
      Already in fashion 2A7 +
  12. 0
    August 29 2016
    This is an analogue of the T-72 BM about armor protection. The SLA and communication will probably be better. But, electronics is not so important here. Important armor, dynamic protection, cumulative grilles. The last two moments I do not see.
  13. 0
    August 29 2016
    So much for the second army in NATO, with outdated armored vehicles. Their air force is not much better. If a real batch occurs (for example, from the Russian Federation), how long will all these M-60s and F-4s, which form the basis of the Turkish army, live?
    1. +7
      August 29 2016
      We also have the basis of the T-72 army, and not the T-90 and Almaty.
    2. +1
      August 29 2016
      For comparison, the caliber of Russian 125mm tank guns and BPS are quite modern. M60 not modernized (and most of them) come with a 105mm gun. It is effective against the T-54/55/62, and against the export T-72 is not very much. A 125mm BPS is dangerous for Leo 2A5. What was shown by shelling of the Leopards with tanks (T-72) of the GDR army and after which a modification of Leo 2A7 appeared
      1. 0
        August 29 2016
        For comparison, the caliber of Russian tank guns 125mm and BPS are quite modern


        Is this BOPS mango modern ??

        M60 not modernized (and most of them) come with a 105mm gun. It is effective against T-54/55/62, and against export T-72 is not very


        And on what basis is this statement ?? About not very effective 105mm BOPS against T-72? If we are talking about Sabra, then it is 120mm from IMI, including modern shells. M60A3 is the 78th year and of course its 105mm fluff with BC cannot be compared with 125mm, but still for the T-72, if you do not take it in the forehead, it is still dangerous.

        A 125mm BPS is dangerous for Leo 2A5. What was shown by shelling of the Leopards with tanks (T-72) of the GDR army and after which a modification of Leo 2A7 appeared


        And where can you find information about such experiments ?? You see, you are confusing the transition from Leo2A4 to Leo2A5, the addition of "Keilpanzerung" modular armor. Leo2A7 is an upgrade for modern conflicts, where mine protection, circular ballistic armor, DBM and much more have been strengthened.
        1. 0
          August 30 2016
          Maybe you're right. But Leo2A7 has dynamic protection similar to Leo A6.
          1. 0
            August 30 2016
            On Leo2 there is no DZ at all, there is only diversity-passive modular armor. DZ is placed on the latest Abrams, Challengers 2, Leclerc in full kit, for fighting in the city.
            1. 0
              August 30 2016
              And on the sides at Leo what?
        2. 0
          August 30 2016
          You forgot about the direct range of the 125mm gun and 105mm. There was an article about the first battles between Merkava with a 105mm gun and the first T-72s delivered with a 125mm gun. A 125mm gun has a range range of approx. 500-700m in front of a 105mm gun. And it must be remembered that unlike the 105 and 120mm guns, the 125mm initially has an HE shell and ATGM. Turks will not fight with tanks and Kumulative is not so effective against unarmored targets, and BPS is useless.
          1. +1
            August 30 2016
            In fact, Merkava and T-72 did not happen to meet in battle.
            There was a battle in Lebanon at a short distance between Merkava-1 and T-62.
            A few padded on both sides. Both sides were pleased: the Syrians, that
            knocked out the latest Israeli tanks; the Israelis that breaking did not cause fires
            and the death of tankers, as planned in the design.
  14. +1
    August 29 2016
    Rather, the results of shelling by various ATGMs, Leopards would have already appeared ...
    Then Leo will finally take his rightful place.
    1. 0
      August 29 2016
      Rather, the results of shelling by various ATGMs, Leopards would have already appeared ...


      Bear with a little, will appear soon Yes
      1. 0
        August 29 2016
        There are the results of the shelling of the Abrams with bassoons in Yemen. Probably Leo is not stronger ....
        1. 0
          August 29 2016
          [quoteThere are results of the shelling of the Abrams by the Bassoons in Yemen. Probably Leo is not stronger ....
          [/ quote] [quote] [/ quote

          And what are these results? The fact that the aft niche with ammunition stowage is on fire? So this is by design, the BC burns out, the crew leaves the tank, which can be seen in some videos. Later, if the tank can be evacuated, it is restored in a couple of days. Moreover, half of the "burning Abrams" were blown up for propaganda purposes, after the crew fled and left the tank, this can be seen from the open hatches or other characteristic features.
        2. 0
          August 29 2016
          [quoteThere are results of the shelling of the Abrams by the Bassoons in Yemen. Probably Leo is not stronger ....
          [/ quote] [quote] [/ quote

          And what are these results? The fact that the aft niche with ammunition stowage is on fire? So this is by design, the BC burns out, the crew leaves the tank, which can be seen in some videos. Later, if the tank can be evacuated, it is restored in a couple of days. Moreover, half of the "burning Abrams" were blown up for propaganda purposes, after the crew fled and left the tank, this can be seen from the open hatches or other characteristic features.
          1. 0
            August 30 2016
            Against hit by ATGMs with a caliber of 100mm or more, the presence of DZ and KAZ and jammers for anti-tank missiles can save. It was the appearance of powerful ATGMs that raised the mass of MBT to 65-70t. When hit, the tank will be destroyed, the BC will only depend on the model, the BC will light up, how quickly the fire system will work and if the crew has time to leave the car.
            1. +1
              August 30 2016
              "ATGMs with caliber from 100mm" ////

              From 100 is not enough. The armor now holds 105 -120 mm rockets.
              From 150 mm and above.
  15. +3
    August 29 2016
    ohhh long been waiting for this news
    1. 0
      August 29 2016
      Quote: article
      The video on the destruction of the Turkish tank M60T Sabra appeared on the network.


      By the way, Turkey upgraded the old M60 to the M60T version Sabra - the Israeli regime and was very proud of it lol The Jews said that this codification is almost equal to the Israeli Mages and is indestructible.
      1. 0
        August 29 2016
        according to their version, Merkava is a super duper tank, but this is their version
      2. 0
        August 29 2016
        Hit Cornet on Sabra.

  16. 0
    August 29 2016
    Quote: oleg-gr
    Good NATO weapon check. If the Syrian campaign of the Turkish Leopards ends very sadly, they will buy weapons from other manufacturers.

    - and I even guess which manufacturers)))). It would be here on this site just the product lovers of these manufacturers)))).
  17. +2
    August 29 2016
    Quote: alpamys
    according to their version, Merkava is a super duper tank, but this is their version

    Yes, and Merkava burned perfectly in 2006 smile
  18. 0
    August 29 2016
    Slowly, Wanga’s predictions come true ...
  19. 0
    August 29 2016
    Judging by the video, the Turkish tank caught fire as if it had hit not a tank, but a tank with oil. This will be "expensive" for the army, especially with the loss of crews.
  20. +1
    August 29 2016
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Quote: article
    The video on the destruction of the Turkish tank M60T Sabra appeared on the network.


    By the way, Turkey upgraded the old M60 to the M60T version Sabra - the Israeli regime and was very proud of it lol The Jews said that this codification is almost equal to the Israeli Mages and is indestructible.

    Padded jacket where did you see Sabra? Ordinary m60, and how do you run over your fellow tribesmen?
    1. +1
      August 29 2016
      In my opinion, the difference between those tanks that entered Syria and Sabra is obvious
      1. +3
        August 29 2016
        Yes, he didn’t know such subtleties. Psharit by the Iranian training manual laughing Here's a hand wash, here he is special!
  21. +2
    August 29 2016
    Quote: igor67
    Padded jacket where did you see Sabra? Ordinary m60, and how do you run over your fellow tribesmen?

    Do you know how to read an Israeli Jew?
    The article says M60T Sabra is destroyed laughing
    And the photo you brought:

    It is still for 2014, so that's enough to carry a lie here.
    Although what to expect from you, you work out the shekels lol
  22. +1
    August 29 2016
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Quote: igor67
    Padded jacket where did you see Sabra? Ordinary m60, and how do you run over your fellow tribesmen?

    Do you know how to read an Israeli Jew?
    The article says M60T Sabra is destroyed laughing

    Do not pretend to be a fool, you are well informed which tanks entered Syria, and the identity is written on the fence, although this is not a fact
  23. +2
    August 29 2016
    Quote: igor67
    Do not pretend to be a fool, you are well informed which tanks entered Syria, and the identity is written on the fence, although this is not a fact

    The fact is that you intentionally throw photos of Turkish tanks for 2014 trying to trick the members of the forum.
    Although you have such a job to deceive and sow provocations.
    1. 0
      August 29 2016
      . These shots were also shown in the Russian news, and notice this is not 2014, even if Sabra is suddenly there is nothing wrong with that, except for the crew, all the tanks are on fire, and even Merkava, and soon you will choke with your bile, how many normal adequate people spoke here on the forum with the Azerbaijanis, and I talked on skype, and you are by any chance not an Iranian or a Turk? It seems that it’s you who are sitting here for money and planting people with beautiful slogans
      1. +1
        August 29 2016
        why did you decide that he is Azerbaijani?
        1. +1
          August 29 2016
          and I don’t understand. Is a padded jacket an Azerbaijani?
          1. 0
            August 29 2016
            Yes, he wrote earlier that he is an Azerbaijani, in principle, and does not deny now
  24. +2
    August 29 2016
    Quote: miru mir
    Psharit by the Iranian training manual

    Yes, yes, yes, tell us miru mir about the teams of paid Israeli propagandists that you are a member of and where you are trained to carry the lie to sow provocations and hatred of others on the Internet. lol
    Israel spends on the promotion of half a billion shekels
    According to a recent report by the Knesset Information Center, the State of Israel has allocated asbara, i.e. propaganda of government policies abroad, about 500 million shekels
    From the report drawn up by the Knesset Information Department on the order of the chairman of the Legislative Commission on Legislation Nisan Slomyansky, it follows that there are more than five separate structures responsible for the “asbara” in Israel: the propaganda department of the Office of the Head of Government, the Foreign Ministry’s Press Relations and “People’s Diplomacy” departments, the press -The IDF service, the Ministry of Strategic Planning, the marketing and advertising department in the Ministry of Tourism and a number of other structures.
    http://maxpark.com/user/4297844537/content/4916336
    1. +2
      August 29 2016
      Calm down, mahmud.
      Russia took first place in the world in terms of government spending on propaganda. The total state support of pro-government media in Russia reached a record 48,65 billion rubles ($ 1,6 billion) in the 2012 year. However, the record did not last long and was many times surpassed already in the 2014 year.
      And more
      “Internet Operators Wanted! Work in a luxurious office in OLGINO !!!! (m. Staraya Derevnya), payment 25 960 per month. Task: posting comments on specialized Internet sites, writing thematic posts, blogs, social networks. Screen reports. The work schedule is selected individually <…>. Payment weekly, 1180 per shift (from 8.00 to 16.00, from 10.30 to 18.30, from 14.00 to 22.00). PAYMENT WEEKLY AND FREE FOOD !!! Employment is official or by agreement (optional). Training is possible! "
      For many Russians, including on this site, the roof leaks from total zombies laughing
      And I won’t talk about Iran, you tell us.
      1. 0
        August 29 2016
        Quote: miru mir
        Calm down, mahmud.
        Russia took first place in the world in terms of government spending on propaganda. The total state support of pro-government media in Russia reached a record 48,65 billion rubles ($ 1,6 billion) in the 2012 year. However, the record did not last long and was many times surpassed already in the 2014 year.
        And more
        “Internet Operators Wanted! Work in a luxurious office in OLGINO !!!! (m. Staraya Derevnya), payment 25 960 per month. Task: posting comments on specialized Internet sites, writing thematic posts, blogs, social networks. Screen reports. The work schedule is selected individually <…>. Payment weekly, 1180 per shift (from 8.00 to 16.00, from 10.30 to 18.30, from 14.00 to 22.00). PAYMENT WEEKLY AND FREE FOOD !!! Employment is official or by agreement (optional). Training is possible! "
        For many Russians, including on this site, the roof leaks from total zombies laughing
        And I won’t talk about Iran, you tell us.

        What am I packing here for free, but it turns out it’s also paid? Specially went through the sites and here's what I tell you:
        1 For Peter, this is not very big money, let’s say very little, but sitting in the office and scribbling comments is not easier at home on the couch, but the emphasis is on some kind of super mansion?
        Well, okay, I think I’ll think of the pioneers, but
        2 News immediately publishes several exalted sites such as Echo of Moscow, the Communist Party of Karachay-Cherkessia, this immediately leads to a certain conclusion.
        3 I went to 3 sites and there about the mansion and all three photos of the building and they are all different, it is not clear only is it so difficult to photograph the office in Olgino or hundreds or maybe thousands?
        And this is what immediately caught my eye, of course I don’t argue trolls and a lot of hat-trousers, but with the same pleasure I can say that your roof is leaking.
        Say not convinced
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          August 29 2016
          You want to say that in Russia there is no propaganda? And about Olgino this is why I bought it, for that I’m selling it hi
          1. 0
            August 30 2016
            Quote: miru mir
            You want to say that in Russia there is no propaganda? And about Olgino this is why I bought it, for that I’m selling it hi

            Propaganda is the foundation of any state, almost like an army anthem, flag. But this hemorrhoids about mansions in Olgino with troll workers seems like a puffy fake
          2. 0
            August 30 2016
            Quote: miru mir
            You want to say that in Russia there is no propaganda? And about Olgino this is why I bought it, for that I’m selling it hi

            Propaganda is the foundation of any state, almost like an army anthem, flag. But this hemorrhoids about mansions in Olgino with troll workers seems like a puffy fake
  25. +2
    August 29 2016
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Quote: miru mir
    Psharit by the Iranian training manual

    Yes, yes, yes, tell us miru mir about the teams of paid Israeli propagandists that you are a member of and where you are trained to carry the lie to sow provocations and hatred of others on the Internet. lol
    Israel spends on the promotion of half a billion shekels
    According to a recent report by the Knesset Information Center, the State of Israel has allocated asbara, i.e. propaganda of government policies abroad, about 500 million shekels
    From the report drawn up by the Knesset Information Department on the order of the chairman of the Legislative Commission on Legislation Nisan Slomyansky, it follows that there are more than five separate structures responsible for the “asbara” in Israel: the propaganda department of the Office of the Head of Government, the Foreign Ministry’s Press Relations and “People’s Diplomacy” departments, the press -The IDF service, the Ministry of Strategic Planning, the marketing and advertising department in the Ministry of Tourism and a number of other structures.
    http://maxpark.com/user/4297844537/content/4916336

    Here is a pancake of Pollyard, and I've been here for free for four years, thanks
  26. 0
    August 29 2016
    Quote: igor67
    It feels like you’re sitting here for money and planting people with beautiful slogans.

    And you are not mistaken, ahi-mahmud for Iranian realities laughing
  27. +1
    August 29 2016
    Quote: igor67
    These frames also showed in Russian news

    And what did you prove with this? About 40 Turkish tanks have already been entered into Syria. and some of them apparently M60T Sabra as the one about which the article says and which was hit.
    Quote: igor67
    there’s nothing wrong with that, except for the crew, all the tanks are on fire, and even Merkava

    So what do you cry then? I just said that the M60T Sabra is Israel’s modernized M60 for Turkey.
    Quote: igor67
    and soon you will choke on your bile

    Am I bile? Do not make me laugh smile Rather, your Israeli team will choke on this product from its everyday lies.
    Quote: igor67
    Are you by any chance an Iranian or a Turk?

    In any case, I'm definitely not a Jew.
    Quote: igor67
    It feels like you’re sitting here for money and planting people with beautiful slogans.

    For the money, your Israeli team is sitting here and lying to Russia and its ally from morning to evening. By the way, like you she always uses old photos, apparently it's easier to lie to you, or you haven’t changed the manuals with pictures yet lol
  28. +1
    August 29 2016
    Quote: miru mir
    Calm down, mahmud.

    Yes moysha, you put forward strong arguments from the site - vitki.org lol It’s impossible to even find one.
    And about Olgino it’s generally pearl smile You that moysha owners issued new manuals?
    Quote: miru mir
    For many Russians, including on this site, the roof leaks from total zombies

    Well, everyone needs to know about the criminal Israeli regime that treats Syrian terrorists, because you spread lies on all sites on the Internet that the regime of Tel Aviv is supposedly white and fluffy and there are only enemies and anti-Semites around it lol ..
    1. +2
      August 29 2016
      Egor Anatolyevich, mahmud, with or without your permission.
      But the fact remains. And everyone has known about Olgino for a long time. It’s just that you’re from another department, from allahbabahny, that's why you are stupid laughing
      The site has a lot of foam (enemies and anti), which screams for your screams and yours supposedly in my opinion and apparently hawala, but normal people are more and more coming in, inshalla ...
  29. 0
    August 29 2016
    Quote: oleg-gr
    Good NATO weapon check. If the Syrian campaign of the Turkish Leopards ends very sadly, they will buy weapons from other manufacturers.

    I vote not for verification, but for the slaughter of the Leopards, so that not one animal comes out. They were sent there for slaughter, the Kurds of ATGMs need to be thrown up.
  30. +1
    August 29 2016
    Quote: igor67
    Here is a pancake of Pollyard, and I've been here for free for four years, thanks

    Oh, don’t make laugh almost all your Israeli team here are paid Internet warriors working out their shekels.
  31. +1
    August 29 2016
    Quote: miru mir

    But the fact remains. And everyone has known about Olgino for a long time. laughing

    Come on-come on moysha carry nonsense and lies about our country let everyone know how some Jewish emigrants who left to our great happiness from the USSR / Russia hate us.
    .
    Quote: miru mir
    There are a lot of foams on the site (enemies and anti), which drowns for your screams and yours supposedly, in my opinion and apparently hawala, but more and more normal people are coming in, inshalla ...

    Moysha, your thoughts are already confused. Get away from the computer or ask the owners to replace you with another propagandist. lol
    1. +1
      August 29 2016
      Choi then you zaperezhival for the USSR? Ayatollah calling the USSR "Red Satan" will deprive you of your salary laughing And your lying concern about Russia will not deceive anyone here. You only appear on the site upon seeing certain words: Israel, Iran, and, for the Iranian woman, Syria, insert your 5 checkers laughing
  32. +1
    August 29 2016
    Quote: Mozart
    Be careful only ... Here a powerful gang sits!

    Considered them on the old version of the site smile Only under the Israeli flag there are about thirty people sitting here and all day replacing each other ..
  33. +2
    August 29 2016
    It doesn't matter what the dogs bark, the main thing is that the caravan goes
  34. +1
    August 29 2016
    Quote: xetai9977
    xetai9977 Today, 16:42 ↑
    Meanwhile, the Turks are gradually expanding their territory. So far, the operation is quite successful


    And the question is: what next?
    Indeed, in any case, Turkish troops are in the territory of a foreign country without UN permission and are solving their tasks to achieve their goals ... Which ones?
    And the Turks of Assad are not friends in any case ...

    Where and when will the conflict of interest occur? Who and with whom ??? In addition to Assad and Russia, there are interests in the USA too ...
  35. 0
    August 29 2016
    Hope to see leopards burning! And then at least there will be an opinion about this most formidable tank in words.
  36. 0
    August 29 2016
    Quote: BlackMokona
    The Turks Leopards have modifications of the late 80s, the old ones are already very.
    Already in fashion 2A7 +


    Very old?? Leo2A4 is the year 1994, the level of LMS on these machines is still global, although in comparison with more modern versions and upgrades, the replacement of hydraulics with electric drives, sensors and, in general, LMS is certainly worse. The only drawback is the lack of additional armor as on versions from Leo2A5 and anti-mine protection, which is also absent on the T-72 and T-90 operating in Syria. Leo2A4 is not designed for the modern realities of war with the saturation of ATGMs and IEDs, but it has an excellent cannon and ASL, which makes it possible to reach the enemy at longer distances than the T-72 and other, older tanks. Leo2A7M + is the version for the Bundeswehr, which takes into account the wishes of German tankers. But the modernized Leo2A5 for Canada, Denmark, especially Singapore and Malaysia are already at a very high level and stuffed with the same, and sometimes even better stuffing than the Bundeswehr.
  37. 0
    August 29 2016
    One of the largest armies in the world after the coup ... In a meat grinder of all traitors! Looks like the Kurds are being poured on all fronts: they didn’t lie under anyone, here you go.
  38. 0
    August 30 2016
    Quote: APASUS
    mansions in olgino with troll workers seem pouty fake

    Quite possible hi
  39. 0
    August 30 2016
    Quote: miru mir
    For many Russians, including on this site, the roof leaks from total zombies

    Is it possible to expand on the points more specifically, how do the Russians zombie to such an extent that their “roof is leaking”? The statement is loud, but are there any facts behind it?
    1. 0
      August 30 2016
      Than, I do not know. Probably mostly media ... hi
  40. 0
    August 30 2016
    voyaka uh,
    Well ... from 130mm let's say so.
  41. 0
    August 31 2016
    Zaurbek,
    Passive armor on the sides, with some cunning composition and quite serious. There are various versions of it, for example, for Canada, the Bundeswehr, Sweden, it is very different from the one that goes to Singapore, or Indonesian Leo2, those have really fat sides. Judging by how literally everyone who exploits Leo2 ordered it, the thing is good. The advantage against DZ is a great resistance against numerous hits, since the DZ after exposure exposes the area to be covered. The same theme is used in the reservation of the Puma, which makes it invulnerable against RPG 360G.

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