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Promised apartments remain inaccessible

The poor quality of the installation works are striking. Photo from www.voendom.info

When it comes to military construction, do not forget about the social protection of veterans. And it is obvious that young officers, seeing a bad attitude towards military retirees, are unlikely to consider military service as a matter of their whole life, which will definitely have a negative impact on the combat capability of the Armed Forces. Caring for veterans is a pledge of confidence of young cadre military personnel in their future, a pledge that officers on active military service will devote themselves to it without thinking that in their old age they can simply be thrown into the street as waste material.



HOMELESS SHELF

One of the sunny, sunny days of mid-August in the square not far from the Aeroport metro station at the monument to the German Communist, Reichstag deputy (from 1925 to 1933 year) Ernst Telman, officers of the store, and their families, to remind the powerful of the world about their existence . It was a day off, Saturday, there was an uncrowded place on the square, the silent picket of the crowd and their posters almost went unnoticed. The few passing by onlookers - do not count. By the way, this is not the first such picket, and perhaps not the last.

And what is most outrageous is that people who have served in the Armed Forces for more than 20 years are forced to fight for what the state must provide in accordance with the laws.

On this day, only a few gathered at the monument to Telman, in fact, if everyone who did not have legal housing provided by the Ministry of Defense did not have enough space in this square and all the streets in the district, only those who have the right to residence in the city of Moscow.

History the problem is this: on the order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the general contractor SU-155 undertook to build four housing complexes by the fourth quarter of 2014, with a total of 60 houses. 12 houses should be erected on Bolshaya Ochakovskaya Street, 15 should be built in the Molzhaninovo microdistrict, in the Khoroshevskoye Highway area - 13 buildings and on Left Bank Street - 23 houses.

By now, it has been fully commissioned and only the microdistrict in Bolshaya Ochakovskaya is settled. Three more houses were not completed in Molzhaninovo, only two buildings were commissioned in the Khoroshevskoye Highway area and three more are planned to be completed in September of this year. Worst of all things on the left bank. Only two houses were commissioned there, and three more general contractors promise to complete this year. On the official website of the Ministry of Defense there is information about the partial settlement of houses at the specified addresses.

This is not to say that the Ministry of Defense is not fulfilling its obligations to provide permanent housing for officers discharged to the reserve, the fact is that this process is proceeding in accordance with the queue formed by the Department of Housing Support (JO) from those in need of housing and in accordance with the internal instructions of the military. But it so happened that part of the waiting list was assigned to apartments in houses at the above addresses, and they, naturally, were taken out of the waiting list for housing. The general contractor (SU-155) went bankrupt, construction work at all four sites stopped. The trouble is that, in violation of all existing rules, builders received an advance payment in the amount of 95% of the cost of all construction and installation works. Since this money has already been mastered by the bankrupt general contractor, the military department does not have other means to complete the construction of houses at these four sites, further work is proceeding with a big slip. At some point, the obligation to complete construction was undertaken by the Open Joint-Stock Company “Main Directorate of Arrangement of Troops” (OJSC “GUOV”), but it did not cope with this, the lack of funding eventually becomes a stumbling block. As a result, people dropped out of the housing queue and did not receive apartments, while the next ones waiting for them were already moving into houses built by other contractors.

MOLZHANINSKY CONTRADICTIONS

The smallest district of the city of Moscow - Molzhaninovo - is located outside the Moscow Ring Road, almost within the northern part of the city of Khimki, and closely adjacent to the territory of Sheremetyevo International Airport. Here in 2014, in general, the construction of a residential neighborhood for military personnel was completed, its address is determined on the Internet as ul. Sinyavinskaya, possession of 11. Just in this neighborhood 15 houses. These are the buildings of the standard series I-155MM, I-155MK and several experimental towers of the project I-155НБ. By now, most of the houses are inhabited. The neighborhood, houses and the surrounding area are on the balance of the Ministry of Defense. The utility support for the houses is provided by the notorious management company OAO Slavyanka. Let me remind you, not so long ago 25 criminal cases were combined with the name of this company, united in one proceeding. The media published information about embezzlements through this organization worth more than 4 billion rubles, in which its previous leadership took part, at that time it was still a limited liability company. The new CEO decided not to change the name of this business structure, only the form of its ownership was changed, that is, it became a joint-stock company.

The retired officers who were provided with housing in this microdistrict noted a number of significant shortcomings in its location. Firstly, it is built on a part of the territory of the Podrezkovo industrial zone and production facilities are located in close proximity to it. According to sanitary rules and norms (SanPiN), housing should not be built here, but only objects of production and culture. There is information that in March 2011 of the year Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin informed the Minister of Defense about this fact. At that time, the head of the Russian military department was Anatoly Serdyukov.

Secondly, the neighborhood is bordered by the old, but still operating Cherkizovsky Northern cemetery. Again, according to the requirements of SanPiN, “the sanitary protection zone is an indispensable element of any industrial enterprise and other objects that can be sources of chemical, biological or physical effects on the environment and human health.” At a minimum, for the construction of residential houses, the general contractor had to take into account the sanitary protection zone and carry out soil recultivation - neither one nor the other was done.

Thirdly, and quite significantly, the high-rise buildings of this microdistrict were built in the dangerous zone of take-off / landing of the planes of Sheremetyevo International Airport, without the consent of the latter’s management. It has been documented that at one time the Arbitration Court of the city of Moscow ordered the collection of a fine from SU-155 for this violation. Moreover, there are SanPiN requirements limiting housing construction near airports, airfields, and heliports related to air pollution with harmful substances and excess noise, vibration, and electromagnetic radiation.

There is a precedent in the judicial practice of the Russian Federation when the Volzhsky District Court of the city of Saratov admitted that the developer illegally erected two 10-story buildings near the airport without the consent of its owner - aviation SarAvia enterprise. As a result, the court ruled on the demolition of these houses, since they were located in the danger zone of aircraft take-off and landing and interfered with the operation of the airport's radar complex.

To make the picture appear in full, it is worth quoting a paragraph from a letter of the waiting officers addressed to Supreme Commander Vladimir Putin: “Sheremetyevo is building a third runway where heavy planes will land, now the noise level exceeds acceptable standards, and it will be even worse” .

The second building of this microdistrict is made according to the standard design of the I-155NB (the developer of SU-155), this is the 25-floor tower, taking into account the technical floor. And after the completion of construction and installation works, this tower gave a heel, naturally, they did not settle in it. The regulars who received apartments in it, when he was a SU-155, Mikhail Balakin, a representative of this organization, said that because of poor-quality geological surveys for some reason unknown to builders, the building leaned more than it was provided for by standards. Since the conclusion in the form of “unknown reasons” indicates a clear incompetence of the representative of the general contractor, we had to ask for comments on the current situation at the Production Research Institute for Engineering Surveys in Construction (PNIIS).

A specialist from PNIIIS explained to me that most likely at the base of the foundation were soils with different compressibility. In the monograph of Academician of RAS V.I. Osipova indicated that their presence is characteristic of this territory: from weakly to highly compressible (from moraine loam to fluvioglacial sands, peat and peaty ground). Also characteristic of this area is variability in their horizontal strike. Probably, the foundation of this building fell on the soils of different compressibility, which gave a different draft, resulting in a roll. But the expert made a reservation that without additional investigation of the true causes of the roll of the building did not determine and it is quite possible that it arose because of the builders' mistakes. The opinion of this expert, of course, can be trusted, PNIIIS in Soviet times was the main institution of the USSR Gosstroy, and now it has unique, rich scientific archives (most of which are still classified). Currently, it is put up for sale by the Federal Agency "Rosimushchestvo", that is, in fact, this institution is awaiting liquidation. I am afraid that in the near future in Russia there will be no organizations capable of conducting high-quality engineering and geological surveys for construction and correcting the numerous mistakes of insufficiently competent design and survey companies and construction organizations.

In addition, the neighborhood on Sinyavinskaya Street (possession of 11), where the settlement is already taking place, is still not connected to a permanent power supply system. In the same place from four pumps of system of the sanitary sewerage only one is in working order. If he fails - the neighborhood will drown themselves know what.

CONSTRUCTION QUALITY

The persons who were present at the picket at the monument to Ernst Telman spoke of serious complaints about the quality of construction of residential buildings in the above-mentioned residential districts. Installation of panels in almost all houses was done extremely carelessly, in some places the builders installed them, mixing up and down, interpanel joints filled with large gaps, significantly exceeding the permissible construction standards.

During the construction process, technological violations were made that could lead to the partial destruction of the supporting structures of houses under construction with unpredictable consequences. In some houses, the heating system was completely defrosted. Neighborhoods on Khoroshevskoye shosse and on Levoberezhnaya street all winter from 2014 to 2015 for a year stood without heating. And in some houses the roof and sealing of interpanel joints were not executed. How can one appreciate the fact that in these houses interior cosmetic finishing has already been performed - the ceilings are whitewashed and the wallpaper is hung? Well, the wallpaper can be re-glued, but the main problem is that the water that has penetrated into the interpanel joints and cracks in reinforced concrete structures is a destructive force, especially in winter.

The situation was aggravated by the fact that SU-155 by August 2015 became financially untenable and curtailed all construction and installation work, not fulfilling its obligations to the customer of GUOV. In September 2015, the General Director of OJSC “GUOV”, Timur Ivanov, during a meeting of the Public Chamber, stated that the organization he heads undertakes to complete the construction. In October, this organization began work already in the role of not a customer, but a general contractor.

SUCH UNBELOCIOUS LEFT BANK

The representative of the Bezdomny Regiment initiative group, who introduced himself as a Nikolai to the NVO correspondent, described the current situation, using the example of a neighborhood on Levoberezhnaya Street. Since the Ministry of Defense doesn’t have money to complete construction work at the specified facility, the subcontractor minimizes the work here. The device of communications of 24 th, 12 th, 5 th houses is not completed. But even in those buildings where sanitary plumbing and drainage systems already exist, there is no way for these communications to reach the city network.

In February, the 2014 of the year, the Main Military Prosecutor’s Office conducted an inspection of the construction of SU-155 at the above facilities and concluded that “the constructed and distributed housing has no permanently connected engineering communications and is built with violations”. But it seems that the opinion of the Chief Military Prosecutor’s Office this time did not interest anyone, since her intervention did not in any way affect the course of housing construction in the listed micro-districts.

On the left bank of 2, June, the residential buildings were handed over, in accordance with the new schedules. The general contractor did not have time to complete the works by this date, and it was decided to launch the sewage system according to a temporary scheme and to pump the contents of the sanitary sewage system into the city network with two pumps. In the same place the device of the stormwater drain is not finished. According to the general contractor, the work will be completed before the cold weather, but it’s hard to believe in such an outcome. Since the executor of these works, the subcontractor of IC INZhSTROYBETON LLC, terminates its activities at this construction site due to lack of funding and transfers people and equipment to another object. To the outrage of the future residents of this microdistrict, the construction foreman said that before transferring money from the GUOV, nothing would be done on the Left Bank. Until the end of July, the delivery of four houses was planned. Five more buildings - №№ 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, according to the schedule, should be completed as soon as possible, but there is no money and the work is stopped. It turns out that those houses that still surrender will become hostages of a temporary sewage system, with which anything can happen during the winter period. To top it off, it is not known where the drain of the storm sewers is organized. It is possible that rainwater is discharged into the sanitary sewer. If this is so, in case of unexpectedly heavy rainfall, the residents of the microdistrict are threatened not only by the flood, but also by flooding with the contents of the sanitary sewage system.

You do not need to be an expert to assume that in winter the storm drains will again become a problem of unfinished houses, in which work has now been stopped. These buildings are still not preserved, and still not all of them have roofs covered with roofing materials, waterproofing of interpanel joints and seams is not always performed.

In houses where there is a roof, because of the lack of heating, drains are defrosted in winter, and they are laid in structures of this type inside a thermal circuit. That is, the water frozen in the gutters breaks down the storm pipes, then during thaws and during the rains it spreads throughout the entire structure of the house. Under the influence of this phenomenon, all the structures of the house gradually begin to collapse. Solving this problem, the builders went for temporary measures, the storm runoff was brought out through the open windows of the upper floors. Well, we can congratulate the general contractor with this "brilliant" engineering solution.

HISTORY OF COLONEL Davydov

There are a number of sensitive issues that require coverage. When permanent housing is allocated to servicemen of the Ministry of Defense, the area of ​​the apartment provided is determined in accordance with the internal regulatory documents, based on the position and rank of the waiting list. What happens when a position is reduced or an officer is transferred to the disposition? In this case, the officer is deprived of the right to receive additional space in accordance with his position.

When fired, servicemen surrender a service apartment and remain without a residence permit (or temporary registration) until the moment they receive permanent housing. For this period, social benefits are no longer available: medical care, placement of children in schools and preschool institutions, and receiving electronic debit bank cards. Having been deprived of service housing, storekeepers receive in their hands a piece of "Deregistration and departure", which is not recognized by any of the institutions as a document capable of replacing registration. People who gave their best years of military service, for an indefinite period appear between heaven and earth.

Sometimes the Ministry of Defense easily waives its obligations. In this aspect, the story of Colonel Igor Borisovich Davydov, in the recent past, the senior officer of the Main Automobile and Armored Directorate of the Ministry of Defense is indicative. In 2008, he was taken out of the state due to his retirement age. In 2009, he fell into the category of so-called disposition. In 2010, there was a decision of the military garrison court to provide him with extraordinary housing. Then the housing commissions were eliminated, the rules for providing housing to servicemen were changed. In the newly formed Department of Housing, he was informed that the decisions of the court and the housing commission no longer have any meaning, and he was put in a general queue in accordance with the new standards, according to the date of registration of the application with the JO.

In 2014, reserve colonel Davydov became an invalid of the 3 group. In accordance with the departmental documents of the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation - within a month after the military-medical commission (IHC) recognized the serviceman unfit for military service, he should be dismissed from the Armed Forces with housing. But Colonel Davydov, as he was in the category of rulers, remained in it. JO still ignores the order of the Minister of Defense, referring to the schedule of putting houses on Levoberezhnaya, which is constantly changing, and the deadlines for its execution are being delayed. Davydov appealed to the prosecutor's office with a complaint that JO did not execute the decision of the military garrison court and the order of the Defense Ministry, delays the process of providing him with permanent housing, which lasts for six years. The result is the same.

Igor Borisovich was lucky to talk on the phone about his problem with the head of 2-rd administration, JO Kuznetsov. To all the arguments of Colonel Davydov, the official answered him in a high tone: “Colonel, why are you twitching, if you don’t like something - go get a housing subsidy and don’t deny yourself anything, in Moscow if we start issuing everything to everyone as it should be , housing, you know, what will be the queue? ”It is not the content of his cue that is outraged, but its rough form. That is what I want to pay special attention to and to make the functionaries of all degrees politely speak with citizens of the Russian Federation.

WHO IS TO BLAME AND WHAT TO DO

Since the presidential decree No. 604 of 7 in May 2012 of the year has the line “Provide the Government of the Russian Federation” in its plot, it means that the list of culprits is headed by the Prime Minister, which continues further (down) on command. This list cannot be reflected in one article, because it is very extensive.

In accordance with Federal Law No. 76 from 27.05.1998, military personnel belong to a special category of citizens with a special status, and they are guaranteed to receive permanent housing, which can be provided both in natural form and in the form of a cash subsidy from the federal budget.

Soldiers prefer to receive “living” apartments for the simple reason that since 2005, the military department gives them a subsidy based on the average cost of housing in Russia, and this in accordance with the order of the Ministry of Construction No. 419 (which is constantly updated) is 37 208 rubles. per square meter. For example, for civil servants in Moscow a loan is allocated on the basis of the cost of housing 90 400 rub. per square meter, that is, servicemen who wish to settle in the Mother See, there is clearly not enough money to buy apartments that they are entitled to by law. However, the subsidy at the rate of 90 400 rub. per square meter for the purchase of residential space in Moscow is also insufficient. If you look at the average values ​​of the cost of metropolitan housing on the Internet, then below 120 thousand rubles. per square meter, perhaps, not to find. In addition, we must realize that cheap by Moscow standards housing can only be bought in unattractive areas, such as Biryulyovo or Vykhino, in old, sometimes dilapidated houses.

In conclusion, it is worth saying that the Ministry of Defense probably does not cope with the provision of housing either in kind or in the form of cash subsidies, otherwise why should the head of the JO, Sergey Pirogov, make such a categorical statement: “By and large, the Ministry of Defense in 2016 and further will not issue apartments. Anyone who came to the service later than 2005 of the year - all of them will be provided only by the accumulative system, there will be no cash payments and no issue of apartments. There remains only one form of housing for servicemen - the savings and mortgage system. ”

COMMENT OF THE MINISTRY OF DEFENSE OF RUSSIA

Construction of four metropolitan neighborhoods for military on the street. Sinyavinskaya, Bolshaya Ochakovskaya, Levoberezhna and Polina Osipenko was started by SU-155 at the end of 2011. The terms of the state contract provided for the construction of new buildings 60 with a total capacity of thousands of apartments in 16. The amount of advances paid by the Ministry of Defense amounted to 95%.

At the end of 2014 of the year, despite the full financing of the construction by the Ministry of Defense of Russia through SUOV, SU-155 suspended work at all four sites that were in a high degree of readiness.

In March 2016, the Moscow Region Arbitration Court declared SU-155 bankrupt. The losses of JSC "GUOV" amounted to 18,3 billion rubles. These losses were planned to be covered by the sale of the existing assets of SU-155, however, amendments to the Federal Law No. 127-ФЗ “On Insolvency (Bankruptcy)”, which set the priority of interest holders over other creditors, made it impossible to recover the debt from SU-155. , which would allow to safely complete the construction of Moscow housing for military personnel.

In 2015 – 2016, by attracting its own and loan funds, GUOV JSC completed all the necessary work to commission residential buildings on ul. Bolshaya Ochakovskaya (10 cases on 1796 apartments, settled on 90%). Also, "GUOV" on its own passed four buildings in the neighborhood "Molzhaninovo", four buildings on the street. Left Bank and Khoroshevskoe highway.

At its own expense, “GUOV” completed the preservation of unfinished buildings, which made it possible not to freeze the water supply and heating systems, paid for the technical connection of new buildings to the city networks, and repaid the debts of SU-155 Group to resource organizations.

Currently, JSC "GUOV" continues to work on the maintenance of unfinished buildings. The situation with the completion of the construction of new buildings for the capital of the capital is under constant control of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of Russia and public organizations. 23 August 2016 was a regular meeting of servicemen awaiting an apartment in Moscow with representatives of JSC “GUOV” and the public movement “Officers of Russia” held at the Public Chamber of Russia.

All construction, installation and finishing works in all corps of metropolitan housing districts for military personnel will be completed in full.

In August 2016, specialists of the Department of Housing began to consider individually questions on the forced replacement of previously distributed apartments in undelivered corps to servicemen of equal value in ready-made houses. A similar exchange takes place within the same microdistrict. First of all, this concerns families of servicemen experiencing serious housing problems. Currently, the department is ready to offer servicemen who are in dire need of getting apartments on ul. Left Bank or Polina Osipenko, free apartments on the street. Sinyavinskaya, fully ready to move in.

In determining the rate of housing provision, the department is strictly guided by the requirements of Russian legislation, which clearly regulates the provision of additional square meters. Thus, according to the Federal Law “On the Status of Military Personnel,” military personnel are former teachers, as well as former scientists, unlike officers in military ranks of a colonel, who are equal to and higher than those who are provided with residential premises are entitled to an additional total area of ​​residential premises only during military service. as a teacher or a scientist.

After being dismissed from a teaching or research position, such servicemen lose the right to an additional total area of ​​the dwelling. This legislation has been repeatedly supported by the courts, including the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation.

Moreover, according to the definition of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, the right to receive additional living space is a privilege granted to citizens, taking into account their special legal status. And the termination of this legal status presupposes the loss of the right to privilege, but does not violate the rights of servicemen.

Also requires clarification of the situation with the delivery of office housing.

A soldier, when transferred to the reserve, while remaining in the register for the provision of permanent housing, continues to live in a service apartment until the moment of the provision of permanent housing (housing subsidy). If he receives compensation for hiring (renting out) housing, he continues to receive it, up to the provision of permanent housing.

Moreover, the housing authorities go to meet military personnel and give the right to live in office housing from two to four months after providing permanent housing for the possibility of arranging, repairing and moving to new housing.

The Department of Housing has not received a single appeal, including from the prosecution authorities, to violate the rights of servicemen during the delivery of official housing.

On the issue of the size of the housing subsidy, it should be noted that this form of housing allowed us to speed up the process of providing housing. Thus, since August 2014, housing subsidies have already received 16,4 thousand troops, totaling 90,1 billion rubles. In addition, due to the profitability and efficiency of the housing issue, 12 thou. Thousand soldiers changed the form of security from an apartment to a housing subsidy.

The existing approach to determining the size of a housing subsidy allows a soldier to purchase residential premises according to the standards established by law in all regions of the Russian Federation, including new buildings in Moscow.

At the same time, in many cities a soldier will be able to purchase a dwelling for the specified amount of housing subsidies, the area of ​​which will be higher than that granted to him by the norms of provision.

In 2016, the Ministry of Defense of Russia provides permanent housing to military personnel from all forms of security, including in-kind apartments, housing subsidies, state housing certificates (SHC), as well as through an accumulative mortgage system (NIS).

The Russian Defense Ministry decided to bring all the houses under the previously concluded contracts to the time of settlement and no longer build new houses, which means that the houses that had been started earlier with construction will be completed and transferred to servicemen. In the future, the decision to provide housing for military personnel will be carried out through other forms of provision: housing subsidies, the SHC and the savings and mortgage system.

Taking into account the current laws of the Russian Federation by 2028, the savings and mortgage system will become the main way to provide permanent housing for servicemen.
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  1. +6
    27 August 2016 07: 10
    However, the subsidy at the rate of 90 400 rub. per square meter for the purchase of living space in Moscow is also insufficient.

    Damn it. But what about the catch phrase "Russia will grow with the riches of Siberia", or do we live according to the principle - "Russia is great, but there is nowhere to retreat, Moscow is behind us" and is she my home and table? So, excuse me, there is not enough food for everyone, there are, to your surprise, other cities, but for some reason you don't need to go there. Well, don't, don't whine plz.
    1. +3
      27 August 2016 08: 45
      and what irritates you so much in the desire of people to live in the capital? Is it forbidden by law?
      1. +1
        28 August 2016 04: 35
        The law is not prohibited ... It is not clear that they clung to Moscow, although nothing but the last duty station connects with Moscow, and they sort it out - a prestigious, unprincipled area
        1. +1
          28 August 2016 07: 16
          Yes, the conversation is in the article about something else, the money allocated was spent and the housing was either built of low quality, or unfinished, or not at all ... and the budget money was spent allegedly, there are no guilty ones either under the previous leadership of the Ministry of Defense or under the current ... But as always the easiest way is to accuse the servicemen of "fastidiousness.", greediness, and even all sins in the spirit of Pirogov ..
          1. +3
            28 August 2016 13: 42
            And someone will write about rogue teachers ...?!
        2. 0
          2 May 2021 06: 43
          I agree 100%. In Tomsk, three houses were built - no one was found. All to the capital .. So fight on, and we went skiing.
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  2. +5
    27 August 2016 07: 15
    Pain and salt in the article. Pain - for officers and veterans, salt - all that is said is true. And when they put things in order, and whether they do it at all, it is not known.
    1. 0
      28 October 2016 18: 21
      People are dissatisfied, people are going to the streets, and that’s good, and that’s right, we still need to take our tires with us, it’s always more noticeable than posters. So we will arrive tomorrow, teach, show what to do if the government does not hear requests.
  3. +3
    27 August 2016 08: 06
    The second part of the article impressed .... We will build, provide, solve all issues ..... And what prevents it from doing in the present tense?
  4. +4
    27 August 2016 10: 37
    Quote: serviceman.
    and what irritates you so much in the desire of people to live in the capital? Is it forbidden by law?
    Live for God's sake wherever you want, just don’t whine that housing is expensive, a military pension is barely enough for a communal flat and bread. I just said what I said - Moscow is not the whole of Russia, there is an alternative to get housing under certificates in other regions and there will still be a situation. I hate it when they whine on behalf of the officers.
    1. +2
      27 August 2016 10: 46
      they don’t whine, but they demand that the state pledges to legally provide at the end of the service! And about the high cost is not your problem))
  5. +1
    27 August 2016 10: 55
    He received an apartment as a soldier in 1998. A house built by military builders from defective materials was rented out. The ceiling is 5-7 cm. The floors are inclined, with a drop of 8-10 cm. There was a hole in the wall, the street was visible (then he laid it with bricks himself). When the admissions office went around the apartments, when asked about imperfections, it was stated that we should be happy that we received it. The next financial crisis is in the yard. Money was scarcely enough for living. The first repairs were made from materials collected where necessary. Nothing survived. By the way, it seems like all the servicemen moved in. After a year or two, these "servicemen" sold more than 50% of the apartments, because they had their second and third apartments obtained through various machinations.
  6. +4
    27 August 2016 12: 48
    Quote: serviceman.
    they don’t whine, but they demand that the state pledges to legally provide at the end of the service! And about the high cost is not your problem))
    It is NOT necessary to sit on a sofa, not knowing the Law, not having a clue about the rights of servicemen to receive housing, to demand anything on their behalf. The respected officers did not authorize you, dear anger. There is no need to repeat the idiocy distributed by the media, based on isolated facts, there are no large-scale problems with the provision of housing.
    1. 0
      27 August 2016 16: 16
      Well then you certainly know everything! And well, dear, you are enraged by the desire of servicemen to get an apartment (legally notice) in Moscow? Did the officers authorize you to accuse him of nagging for a lack of money? Did you have the officers authorized to decide for them where to get housing? I advise you to study the status of the serviceman in the latest edition so that you do not look like an idiot, if you have already forgotten not the Ministry of Internal Affairs and we have slightly different rights)) There are no problems, but there are specific problems that need to be addressed. What offended you so much in the requirements of the military? Its not realized right to adequately solve the housing problem?
    2. +1
      29 August 2016 10: 28
      It is NOT necessary to sit on a sofa, not knowing the Law, not having a clue about the rights of servicemen to receive housing, to demand anything on their behalf.


      In this matter, I support the Servant. By law, a soldier has the legal right to request housing in any city in Russia. At least in Moscow, at least in St. Petersburg, at least in a city where such for the military personnel they have not been building and are not going for 40 years. This is his statutory right.

      To military personnel - citizens who have concluded a contract on military service before January 1, 1998 (with the exception of cadets of military professional educational organizations and military educational organizations of higher education), and their family members living together with them, who are recognized as needing housing, by the federal executive body in which the federal law provides for military service, a subsidy is provided for the acquisition or construction of a dwelling (hereinafter referred to as the housing subsidy) or dwelling houses owned by the federal government, at the choice of the indicated citizens, free of charge or under a social contract of employment with the indicated federal executive body at the place of military service, and upon dismissal from military service upon reaching the age limit for military service, due to health reasons or in connection with organizational and staffing events with a total military service duration of 10 years and more lea - at the chosen place of residence in accordance with the norms for the provision of living space provided for in Article 15.1 of this Federal Law.


      "On the status of military personnel" Article 15, paragraph 1.

      So, according to the law, a soldier has the right, and the state has a legal obligation to provide a serviceman with housing at his chosen place of residence. And there is no need to talk about any circumstances and so on. Has the state assumed this responsibility? Yes. Voluntarily? Yes. It means it is obliged by law. And if not according to the law, but for some other reason is not obliged, then it already turns out to be "someone else's law, his everything." And this is no longer a legal state.
  7. +2
    27 August 2016 14: 53
    all the same. It’s not very good to do this with those who depend on the Security of the Country. it’s a pity. And you don’t have a conscience to Vorie. Well, what if the first ones go on the attack and the stolen money will probably be buried where the thread is and a warm bank over the hill.
  8. +1
    27 August 2016 17: 49
    In the Ministry of Defense of Russia it was decided to bring all the houses to the moment of settlement Under the previously concluded contracts, no new housing will be built anymore. In the future, the decision to provide housing for servicemen will be made through other forms of security: a housing subsidy, housing insurance policy and a funded mortgage system.
    Taking into account the current laws of the Russian Federation by 2028, the savings and mortgage system will become the main way to provide permanent housing for servicemen.


    You, sir, are either illiterate or have not read the article (I quote an excerpt). There are no unsolvable problems, and you do not need to suck them out of your finger. This entire article is based on the hackneyed topic “SU-155”, and this is only 3% of the volume of housing construction by the Ministry of Defense since the 2010 of the year. You are our caring! On the sim senseless polemic with you I stop
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      27 August 2016 18: 11
      correctly! merge better, you can’t conduct a reasoned conversation anyway. People try to draw attention to your problem; you shower them with vicious accusations. Your lack of knowledge of the laws of the Russian Federation on housing for military personnel does not give you the right to neglect those who exercise their legal right to housing in Moscow, in your opinion, people should silently bear the boorish attitude towards themselves? Or do you naively believe that the quality of housing built by the military is radically different in the province? You are our naive! Relax, it is pointless to have a conversation with a person who sees the problems of the armed forces from the bell tower of the Ministry of Internal Affairs ..
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    28 August 2016 10: 14
    Housing construction and the quality of this construction in Russia is a separate "story". I do not take into account the notorious "mortgage" which doubles the cost of "square meters". The quality of the constructed apartments is generally "something with something". I will not list all those "normal" shortcomings that an ordinary buyer of domestic housing usually encounters, everyone knows about them, but there are those that are simply unknown to many and only builders know about them - this is the construction of the house itself in the place of the "geo-fault", or in place of "quicksand", insufficient number of piles for the foundation, weak concrete for the foundation, deviations from construction documentation adopted to reduce the cost of housing - lack of waterproofing in the kitchen and bathroom areas, laying ventilation ducts in other places or none at all, and so on and other. It is curious that the commissions accepting such housing do not pay attention to such shortcomings at all, like "and so it will come down" and motivate their "silence" by the fact that "the buyer must know what he is buying." Do you find any curious motivation? That is, the buyer must control everything at all stages of construction, and all these controlling organizations must sit and do nothing, receiving money "for permits" .. In the south of our country, in the Black Sea cities, etc., in general, something is going on the uttermost in construction, there generally flourishes "squatter". The scheme is simple - some enterprising "businessman" finds an undeveloped piece of land - just a piece of land, since everything is already built up very densely and breaks through a building permit in this place, for example, a "bread stall" and calmly builds a multi-storey building and in his own way -Nobody knows "super-cheap" technologies. Nobody "naturally" "sees" this construction. When such a house is built, it is "forced" to be legalized and entered into the housing register, often as "elite" housing built "in the center". Moreover, no one even cares about the fact that our Black Sea region belongs to the seismic zone, where earthquakes up to 7,6-8,2 on the Richter scale are possible! Nobody even thinks about anti-seismic protection! And so, a huge amount of housing has already been built there, where a huge number of people live .. And the authorities are silent about this, who needs money has already been received, like there is housing, people live, and if there is an earthquake, then ...,. And suddenly it will not be, and if it does, then no one is to blame - the element ...
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    28 August 2016 13: 10
    I wonder what bastards prevented the old site?
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      28 August 2016 13: 24
      We have here ... the pluralism of opinions, perestroika, and optimization.
  11. +1
    28 August 2016 18: 11
    A shame! Sad.
    So, Russia itself will fall apart from the inside, without any wars and seizures. The military, the FSB, the anti-terror special forces must give good salaries and everything that is prescribed by law: housing, retirement, and so on. So that people know what they are working for, and what will happen if such people (military, police, FSB, anti-terror special forces violate the law, lose everything).
    Yes, the author is right. When people defend the country from military enemies, from traitors of Russia, from the Russians-FSB; from thieves-bandits, murderers-police; anti-terrorist special forces and see what’s happening in this Russia, the moral and desire of these people falls They have families: wives, children, parents, brothers, sisters, and they themselves know what’s going on. They protect the country, not thieves, traitors of bureaucrats.
    To crush, crush and crush such a rank-traitors-with confiscation of their property, salary-with settlement-in such a hole-house-srach unfinished-curve, dangerous and unsuitable for housing, to feel, in their own skin.
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    29 August 2016 22: 23
    After the dismissal of a teacher or researcher from such a position, such military personnel lose the right to additional total living space. This legislative norm has been repeatedly supported by the courts, including the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation.

    The author of the article, like JOE, extremely freely interpret decisions of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation. Please provide a link to a decision (determination) of the RF Armed Forces regarding this issue.
  13. 0
    31 August 2016 18: 56
    Interesting lines from the section COMMENT OF THE DEFENSE OF RUSSIA
    "Moreover, the housing authorities meet the needs of the military and give the right to live in service housing for two to four months after providing permanent housing for the possibility of settling, repairing and moving to new housing. The Department of Housing has not received a single appeal, including and from the prosecutor's office, to violate the rights of servicemen in the delivery of service housing. " In fact, the officials of the JO of the Russian Federation do not go to meet, but demand to vacate the occupied temporary housing, while they do not provide documents for settling in permanent housing, they are waiting for the expiration of the implementation period for the decision to grant housing to property for free, in order to then redistribute it to others.
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    28 October 2016 18: 27
    Enough to bomb Syria already, that’s what I’ll tell you. This mess is time to end! Withdraw troops from Syria, and enough Assad to cover. Leave the Middle East, you will have apartments.