American aircraft will equip laser self-defense system

The Pentagon issued a contract to Northrop Grumman to develop a laser self-defense system in the interests of the US Air Force, reports Look with reference to Jane's edition.

The contract value was $ 39,9 million. The system is named SHiELD (“Protector”, Self-Protect High Energy Laser Demonstrator). Under the terms of the agreement, the work must be completed by September 2021.

“SHiELD is supposed to be installed on fourth-generation fighter jets of the United States Air Force, such as the Boeing F-15 Eagle and Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, to increase their air defense. The fifth-generation Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II aircraft will probably not be equipped with this equipment in order not to harm the Stealth system installed on them, ”the article says.

The publication explains that the existing radio-electronic means of defense "deflect the approaching missiles from the aircraft, while SHiELD could destroy them."

In the future, these systems are planned to be improved to increase power and expand the range of actions.

Comments

[DIVAN SOLDIER]

Now someone will write: "Oh again, saw the dough."

[Red_Hamer]

They won’t write, they’re tired of writing it

[Inok10]

Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER

Now someone will write: "Oh again, saw the dough."

Quote: Red_Hamer

They won’t write, they’re tired of writing it

... what kind of cut, oh well ... when the cut, that is, at least some kind of result ... in this case there will be a frank "kidok" ... everyone remembers the flying and striking American laser? ... here he is on Davis Montan ... on full alert! ...

[DEfindER]

I wonder where they are going to take the most powerful source of energy for such a laser installation .. here you need at least an atomic source or even antimatter .. While we are still very far from effective laser weapons, here the energy must be completely different order mastered ..

[Bayonet]

They won’t write, they’re tired of writing it

This does not bother, especially if the other mind is not enough

[Ivar]

Yes, hardly. 40 lyam to 2021 is not serious

[rpek32]

after the technology leaves the stage of the demonstrator, then the whole SHIEL (d) will fall down.
toli Americans forgot how to give beautiful names to their projects, toli know that this shield will not go beyond the demonstrator

[kodxnumx]

Right! And they will also be equipped with a non-permeable energy field, just like in star wars!

[Bayonet]

kod3001 Yesterday, 19:54 PM ↑
Right! And they will also be equipped with a non-permeable energy field, just like in star wars!

Well, what about diapers that have not been added?

[dmi.pris1]

And now it's time for our developers to take care ..

[swetlana1]

Judging by the announced amount, this is an attempt to establish an analogue developed for passenger aviation and BTA on these aircraft only for protection against PZRK (refinement of the design (mostly for work with large overload), manufacture of prototypes for testing, testing and other small expenses)))

[Muvka]

Energy! Where to get so much energy ?!

[kostiknet]

And what will it look like? How is R2D2 behind the young Skywalker?

[dmi.pris1]

Imagine less will be .. Moreover, all this is block execution.

[CA CA]

Why are you clinging to energy. Its need a penny.
A rocket flies with an optical head (including infrared guidance). You shoot at her with a laser. 1 pulse with a power density of 10-100 kW per square centimeter that has fallen on the receiving system will burn it clean. And this channel will be chopped off. The pulse duration is of the order of 10 nanoseconds. To generate such a pulse, you need 10-50 J. If the frequency is 50 Hz it is 250 watts. Is there no such fraud on the plane?

Well, to see for yourself how the optics burn out, take a camera, set the maximum shutter speed, do not set any filters and try to get a picture of the sun in clear weather. The radiation power density of the sun in the middle band is 1 W per square centimeter.
Maybe after that the talk about energy will end ...

[Homo]

You shoot at her with a laser. 1 pulse with a power density of 10-100 kW per square centimeter that has fallen on the receiving system will burn it clean.

Do you get a focused beam into the receiving optical system of a flying rocket (I am silent about the speed of the rocket)? And if you make a wide beam (without loss of power) then how many times do you need to increase power? That's all the calculations!

[voyaka uh]

"You will be hit by a focused beam into the receiving optical system of a flying rocket
(I am silent about the rocket speed "////

Yes. Fall without a problem.

[sabakina]

Who when and where?

[Cresta999]

Please tell us more in detail. It is very interesting to know who, where and where they got. It just would be at least remotely similar to our example with a rushing airplane and an even faster (and maneuvering) missile!

[Alex_Tug]

An appetite for military junk instantly flared up. Can I have glasses? Can! Not night vision, but ordinary plastic. Che shy, "jacket" - take it while they give it. Glasses class - yellow in color like that of skiers - protection from ultraviolet radiation, no, not solar - from laser radiation. Durable dacron, type 20/200 - withstand the impact of a twenty-gram ball at a speed of 200 miles per hour, which is about 80 meters per second. Come on! Everything seems to be, nothing shines for free

Also about the American army.

[ty60]

Have you personally seen?

[Simpsonian]

There are such. But then we will just shoot down American planes the same.

[KAV]

Just a tip: study the materiel, for starters, please. And then you can write with more confidence about how much energy is needed and about everything else that applies to lasers.
For example, here: http://so-l.ru/news/show/pro_lazerniy_lohotron_zhe

[Muvka]

Why are you clinging to energy. Its need a penny.
A rocket flies with an optical head (including infrared guidance). You shoot at her with a laser. 1 pulse with a power density of 10-100 kW per square centimeter that has fallen on the receiving system will burn it clean. And this channel will be chopped off. The pulse duration is of the order of 10 nanoseconds. To generate such a pulse, you need 10-50 J. If the frequency is 50 Hz it is 250 watts. Is there no such fraud on the plane?

Well, to see for yourself how the optics burn out, take a camera, set the maximum shutter speed, do not set any filters and try to get a picture of the sun in clear weather. The radiation power density of the sun in the middle band is 1 W per square centimeter.
Maybe after that the talk about energy will end ...

Even in the news it is written about the destruction of a rocket, and not about its blinding.

[FID]

[quote] [/ quote] If the frequency is 50Hz it is 250 watts. Is there no such fraud on the plane?

There is no such frequency on the plane ... Usually 400 Hz ...

[swetlana1]

We must also cling to energy. The pulses used are not nano, but more)) At the same time, about 10% of the electric energy will go into the laser radiation in the most sophisticated equipment. The rest is parasitic thermal, which still needs to be dumped somewhere ... It is, of course, possible to divert thermal energy in flight. The problem is that the above aircraft, unlike civil and transport, at low altitudes will fly at speeds at which their skin can heater over 90 degrees Celsius. And to tie the cooling system to the SLE of an existing aircraft is a problem. Judging by the price of the contract - this is not provided. Existing similar systems operate on MANPADS, which attack along relatively simple trajectories. For air-to-air missiles, this system may not be so effective. But maybe on tk it should not work on these missiles. Tz, we have not seen))) He’s living - we’ll

[Skif100500]

Even in machines that cut metals with a laser, power is many times greater ... you can tell anything about 30 years of laser training, but then you don’t need to carry garbage about 250 watts of power needed to hit at a distance of kilometers of a v-in rocket. People who are somehow familiar with lasers at least know the order of magnitude.

[swetlana1]

You are absolutely right - more energy is required here))
I can only say that it’s no longer an order of magnitude

[swetlana1]

Below you wrote that you have been doing laser work for more than 30 years. Then it’s strange that you write incorrectly about the power of the laser pulse. It is several times higher than the number voiced by you. In addition, semiconductor elements are now used for these purposes, which are very sensitive to temperature factors. This, in turn, creates problems of heat removal in flight at high-speed modes for small-sized external devices, it is necessary to use Pultier modules, which in turn provide additional stray thermal power))))

[Banishing liberoids]

I suppose we are not talking about weapons, but about a set of powerful laser radiation to "knock" missiles off course, blinding the guidance head?

[kostiknet]

and how many missiles do the TV channel use for guidance? Not very much ... And the meaning of such protection? In reserve if only. You also need to install homogeneous armor and anti-cumulative screens. Suddenly, one of the RPGs will be crazy ...

[Gray brother]

I suppose we are not talking about weapons, but about a set of powerful laser radiation to "knock" missiles off course, blinding the guidance head?

And there is. Only at first they wanted to put this prodigy on the F-35, but now they don’t want something.

[voyaka uh]

Because the system will be in the pylon,
and on the F-22 and F-35 it will dramatically increase the EPR.

In Israel, such a joke has already been developed. But she is pretty
massive for equipping fighters. In liners and military
transport workers already applied.

[kostiknet]

for a fighter, such a thing, in my opinion, is redundant, but civilian ships and military transport aircraft should be equipped with something similar. I forgot to ask about the effectiveness of your blocks. These guys, as always, will have more than 100% of their promises hanging ...

[voyaka uh]

There are several SkyShield, Flight Guard systems.
They registered with the civil aviation organization, but
many countries flatly refuse to host liners
with such a system. The motivation is that it is a "weapon system".
Therefore, sales are sluggish. MANPADS such a system reflects, and the explosive
also can take in a certain perspective.
Looks like that. As you can see, the pylon is too big for a fighter.
But, for sure, they are working in the military direction.

[Cresta999]

A colleague, the SkyShield system is part of the anti-aircraft missile system. And not the best. To the laser system in question in the article, as far as I understand, has nothing to do! The Flight Guard system is put on civilian vessels and works on homing heat heads! Do not mislead people.

[Yak-3P]

warrior ..that you understand everything ..experd dance ..and in politics and tactics, strategy and weapons, finally -...... and everything .. from airspace to sappers, snipers - just a handsome Komsomol member hello and prof-encyclops

[ty60]

result of application? Economic component?

[Altona]

"Imperial starships" will be equipped with "lightsabers".

[Homo]

The day before yesterday - a laser, yesterday - a laser, today again a laser. It’s not funny anymore, it’s time to write - they will be equipped with a laser, a force field, a teleportator and a space folding system! This will be news!

[darkmind]

Even if by 2021 these lasers will not work, then this is still a step to a new level of technology. Imagine 2025 or 2030, whether our s-500, s-600 can shoot down such aircraft. They also put these lasers on drones. Didn’t you look at the terminator?

[kostiknet]

In 2007, the program Shock Force told about the continuation of experiments on the plasma protection of our aircraft and the creation of plasma weapons. If the gopher is not visible - does not mean that it is not. It's just that in America, guys love to yell about their coolness and lure sponsors. Let's see in 2025 what we will fly on and what to shoot from ...

[Skif100500]

This is not a step, laser firing to defeat was carried out in the 80s, even then it was clear that it would not be possible to install such power on any fighter. True, if the exceptional ones rule out the heels of the laws of physics that impede this venture, then of course ...

[swetlana1]

These systems are not designed to shoot down missiles - they interfere with the IR-homing heads. For radar heads they are not an obstacle.

[sir_obs]

Yeah, and then install on f35, which will still be in the testing phase for refinement.

[darkmind]

What you don't like about the F-35. It is as much as 50 million cheaper than the F-22. For the United States, it is nonsense that a new plane should be cheaper than the old. Well, if without jokes, then look at how much they buy them: thousands of pieces (procurement plan for the United States 2443 pcs.). And look how many aircraft we have 5 generations, or at least 4 ++.

[sabakina]

Show me a photo of at least the 1st thousand purchased F-35 ...

[Voyager]

Fucking argument, given the pace of small-scale production (already 200 pcs). The beginning of a large-scale one is designed for 2019.

[VP]

And how many of these 200 will go into a deep alteration due to the fact that there is still no fully combat-ready option? And about the earlier, it makes no sense to talk, everything will go into substandard there.

[Voyager]

I don’t think that they will have problems finishing up even hundreds of airplanes to condition. - the budget allows. Does it not surprise you that in our country exactly the same situation was with the raw and unhealthy Su-35S? Only volumes are less. They also finished it afterwards.

[Bayonet]

Show me a photo of at least 1 thousand purchased F-35 ...

Have you seen a photo with a thousand aircraft, even old ones?

[sir_obs]

Chet not see them anywhere. No one in the queue is buying, even the Pentagon.

[Siberian]

They will buy laser pointers from us for this money.

[Bayonet]

Siberian Yesterday, 18:02
They will buy laser pointers from us for this money.

Are you from China? In Russia, laser pointers do not produce

[CA CA]

Quote: KAV

Just a tip: study the materiel, for starters, please. And then you can write with more confidence about how much energy is needed and about everything else that applies to lasers.
For example, here: http://so-l.ru/news/show/pro_lazerniy_lohotron_zhe

Yes, I’ve been doing lasers for 30 years. And this fiction is for those who do not want to think with their own heads.

Quote: Homo

You shoot at her with a laser. 1 pulse with a power density of 10-100 kW per square centimeter that has fallen on the receiving system will burn it clean.

Do you get a focused beam into the receiving optical system of a flying rocket (I am silent about the speed of the rocket)? And if you make a wide beam (without loss of power) then how many times do you need to increase power? That's all the calculations!

I did not write anything about focusing.
Let's take a simple look. A solid-state laser with a duration of 7-8 ns and an energy of 300 mJoules has a divergence of 1 mrad. At the output at a diameter of 8 mm, we have a power density of about 100 megawatts per square cm. At a distance of 1 km, it will spread to a diameter of 1 m and will have the desired power density of 10 kilowatts per square meter. cm.
So why do you need focus?
Well, the speed of the rocket .... Let's just say - the Chinese at their rocket testing ranges use laser rangefinders to accurately measure the flight paths of products ... and have no problems with the laser hitting the target. Do you really think something different with us and such guidance systems have not been worked out ....

[Vadim237]

Chemical fuel cell lasers not yet created?

[sabakina]

Campaign, comrade engaged in industrial lasers.

[Skif100500]

"power density of about 100 megaWatts per square cm"

The efficiency of a solid-state unit is a few percent, in a clean atmosphere the attenuation is 3 dB \ km, in a haze everything is 1000 dB \ km.
Maybe people have enough brains to rosin?

[Aqela]

I looked, out of curiosity, of course, the characteristics of the machine for laser cutting of metal

The HS-F1325 fiber laser machine (IPG300W) is designed for cutting metal up to 4 mm thick.
Fiber laser emitter IPG 300W (Germany)
Maximum travel speed 20 m/min.
Max acceleration 0,3G

Machine weight 3000 kg.

The maximum weight of the loaded workpiece is 300 kg.
Processed material
Stainless steel (N2) 1,5 mm.
Stainless steel (O2) 4 mm.
Structural steel (O2) 4 mm.
Galvanized steel (O2) 1,5 mm.

At the same time, as I understand it, the "range" is a few centimeters. Cooling - water. Power consumption - at least 3 kilowatts ... With a mass of two or three tons - the very thing for installation on light fighters ...

[Xroft]

That's all they run into Americans, and our Su-24s in Syria do not even have a warning system about launching a missile on an airplane. And this is aviation in a military conflict .... generally sad (

[Muvka]

Worth it. It just doesn't work in the back hemisphere. Or the crew is to blame. For there were 2 aircraft, one somehow left ...

[swetlana1]

Worth it. Works in the back hemisphere. The rocket was of a later development than the system - the sensors might not work. Even the Turks did not use the aircraft guidance system directly. The Americans directed their plane until the rocket caught a target from under the wing - then launch. There was a lot of strange things in that situation - I agree

[voyaka uh]

Cresta999,
This manufacturers often come up with very similar
names. I myself get confused. But the systems are real.
Latest System - C-Music

[sabakina]

Quote: voyaka uh

Cresta999,
This manufacturers often come up with very similar
names. I myself get confused. But the systems are real.
Latest System - C-Music

It’s such a feeling that you’ll bake battle lasers in any shop like pies ... Next will be Heavy metal-Music ...

[voyaka uh]

"It looks like you have combat lasers in any shop like" ///

Well, finally you have the right idea to form
about Israel!

[Bayonet]

It’s such a feeling that you’ll bake battle lasers in any shop like pies ..

I already heard something similar ...

[voyaka uh]

Cresta999,
First Israeli Boeing 737 Flys C-MUSIC DIRCM Self-Protection System

Translate, or do it yourself?

The system comprises a fiber-laser based DIRCM housed in a sealed turret for maximized reliability. A missile warning system provides the initial detection of incoming threats. When a threatening missile is detected, the warning is passed to the DIRCM that then directs a thermal tracker to acquire and track the threat. A powerful laser beam is then fired accurately at the missile causing it to be deflected away from the aircraft.

[sabakina]

Is it weak in Hebrew?

[voyaka uh]

! מה פתאום, לחיים (what suddenly, for life!)

[Aqela]

Cheated! He wrote everything in modern Hebrew. In Hebrew, there were richer with superscript and subscript characters!

[Voyager]

Quote: caca

how optics burn out

Maybe it's about the matrix? Optics then how side here ..

[Evil543]

Yak-3P,
Good preparation at MOSAD

[Bayonet]

Yak-3P,
Good preparation at MOSAD

Israeli foreign intelligence Mossad is deservedly considered one of the most effective intelligence services in the world.

[ty60]

Yak-3P, Under such warriors the site was altered.

[DmitryK]

Spoiled the site .... now you can write all sorts of rubbish and no one will do .....

[Oleg7700]

Cresta999,
Rafael's SkyShild is this ... on combat transporters (including German A400) is put J-Musik concern Elbit

[sabakina]

Personally, I do not like computer graphics, especially Japanese. I'd rather see it, especially since there are real people on the other side of the screen!

[Operator]

We are talking only about a laser that destroys the receiving matrix of thermal imaging seeker MANPADS and air-to-air missiles. Against missiles with a radar seeker and a ceramic (not transparent in the optical range) radome, the laser is powerless.

The protection of thermal imaging seeker from laser radiation is an elementary photochromic glass installed in front of the matrix and automatically darkening when laser radiation hits it. After that, the laser becomes an excellent optical beacon for aiming an air-to-air missile at it.

Photochromic glass is darkened when a rocket approaches an aircraft at the moment of catching the edge of a laser spot (low power) defocused in air.

SHiELD - cut the budget, definitely.

PS The only real means of aircraft self-defense against missile attacks are ultra-short-range air-to-air missiles, the development of which is still planned.

[Bayonet]

SHiELD - cut the budget, definitely.

But only when it works, curses will fly on the head of the next culprit, "who overlooked and did not provide." All repeats ...

[Kite]

Quote: Ivar

40 lyam to 2021 is not serious

- that's for sure! A system for all angles? Weatherproof? And through the smoky tail (train) will it break through? But will far be visible? Not far? Only 5 m from the device itself? Well, yes, of course, for such pennies! Well, we will provide for the detonation of the charge of our rocket by a laser pulse (by exposure)
Simplify for example. You yourself will understand more / deeper if you want to argue.

[Kite]

Quote: caca

The radiation power density of the sun in the middle band is 1 W per square centimeter.

- i.e. with such heads, missiles are suspended only at night, and if during the day, is it ordered to fly low not to meet the sun?
I'm hinting about ways to protect the photodetector.

[Samarin]

Quote: caca

What a pulse you need 10-50 J. If the frequency of 50 Hz is 250 watts.

50 Hz - is it probably from the outlet?

[Mountain shooter]

For such money, NO system can be created, especially laser, for an airplane. This is probably a system designed TO BLIND GOS with the thermal principle of target capture. Destroy a maneuvering missile from a maneuvering aircraft POWERFUL

[Aqela]

No, well, why! What if laser pointers released in Taiwan will be used as a base?

[ref25]

Most likely this is not a bluff, but a real development, all the same in the courtyard of the 21st century.

[Aqela]

Yeah. Is it not obvious that in the 21st century the laws of physics are very different from those in the 19th or 20th century. According to this logic, in the 22nd century there will be a bold transition to martial magic with fireballs and witch landings on a broomstick.

[Aqela]

Okay, if it's an IR laser, then you can try to blind the thermal homing head. And that is not a fact. And what is the expected damaging effect of a radar homing system? Like sawing a rocket in half? I think making such a thing with an air-to-air or surface-to-air missile is much more difficult than with a flimsy mini-drone.