American aircraft will equip laser self-defense system

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The Pentagon issued a contract to Northrop Grumman to develop a laser self-defense system in the interests of the US Air Force, reports Look with reference to Jane's edition.





The contract value was $ 39,9 million. The system is named SHiELD (“Protector”, Self-Protect High Energy Laser Demonstrator). Under the terms of the agreement, the work must be completed by September 2021.

“SHiELD is supposed to be installed on fourth-generation fighter jets of the United States Air Force, such as the Boeing F-15 Eagle and Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, to increase their air defense. The fifth-generation Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II aircraft will probably not be equipped with this equipment in order not to harm the Stealth system installed on them, ”the article says.

The publication explains that the existing radio-electronic means of defense "deflect the approaching missiles from the aircraft, while SHiELD could destroy them."

In the future, these systems are planned to be improved to increase power and expand the range of actions.
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  1. +7
    August 25 2016
    Now someone will write: "Oh again, saw the dough."
    1. +5
      August 25 2016
      They won’t write, they’re tired of writing it laughing
      1. +8
        August 25 2016
        Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
        Now someone will write: "Oh again, saw the dough."

        Quote: Red_Hamer
        They won’t write, they’re tired of writing it

        ... what kind of cut, oh well ... when the cut, that is, at least some kind of result ... in this case there will be a frank "kidok" ... everyone remembers the flying and striking American laser? ... here he is on Davis Montan ... on full alert! ... wink
        1. 0
          August 26 2016
          I wonder where they are going to take the most powerful source of energy for such a laser installation .. here you need at least an atomic source or even antimatter .. While we are still very far from effective laser weapons, here the energy must be completely different order mastered ..
      2. +2
        August 26 2016
        They won’t write, they’re tired of writing it

        This does not bother, especially if the other mind is not enough laughing
    2. +3
      August 25 2016
      Yes, hardly. 40 lyam to 2021 is not serious smile
    3. +3
      August 25 2016
      after the technology leaves the stage of the demonstrator, then the whole SHIEL (d) will fall down.
      toli Americans forgot how to give beautiful names to their projects, toli know that this shield will not go beyond the demonstrator laughing
      1. +1
        August 25 2016
        Right! And they will also be equipped with a non-permeable energy field, just like in star wars! laughing
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        2. +1
          August 26 2016
          kod3001 Yesterday, 19:54 PM ↑
          Right! And they will also be equipped with a non-permeable energy field, just like in star wars!

          Well, what about diapers that have not been added?
    4. 0
      August 26 2016
      And now it's time for our developers to take care ..
    5. +3
      August 26 2016
      Judging by the announced amount, this is an attempt to establish an analogue developed for passenger aviation and BTA on these aircraft only for protection against PZRK (refinement of the design (mostly for work with large overload), manufacture of prototypes for testing, testing and other small expenses)))
  2. +6
    August 25 2016
    Energy! Where to get so much energy ?!
    1. +9
      August 25 2016
      And what will it look like? How is R2D2 behind the young Skywalker?
      1. +2
        August 26 2016
        Imagine less will be .. Moreover, all this is block execution.
    2. +9
      August 25 2016
      Why are you clinging to energy. Its need a penny.
      A rocket flies with an optical head (including infrared guidance). You shoot at her with a laser. 1 pulse with a power density of 10-100 kW per square centimeter that has fallen on the receiving system will burn it clean. And this channel will be chopped off. The pulse duration is of the order of 10 nanoseconds. To generate such a pulse, you need 10-50 J. If the frequency is 50 Hz it is 250 watts. Is there no such fraud on the plane?

      Well, to see for yourself how the optics burn out, take a camera, set the maximum shutter speed, do not set any filters and try to get a picture of the sun in clear weather. The radiation power density of the sun in the middle band is 1 W per square centimeter.
      Maybe after that the talk about energy will end ...
      1. +9
        August 25 2016
        You shoot at her with a laser. 1 pulse with a power density of 10-100 kW per square centimeter that has fallen on the receiving system will burn it clean.

        Do you get a focused beam into the receiving optical system of a flying rocket (I am silent about the speed of the rocket)? And if you make a wide beam (without loss of power) then how many times do you need to increase power? That's all the calculations! tongue
        1. +6
          August 25 2016
          "You will be hit by a focused beam into the receiving optical system of a flying rocket
          (I am silent about the rocket speed "////

          Yes. Fall without a problem.
          1. +3
            August 25 2016
            Who when and where?
          2. +4
            August 25 2016
            Please tell us more in detail. It is very interesting to know who, where and where they got. It just would be at least remotely similar to our example with a rushing airplane and an even faster (and maneuvering) missile!
          3. +2
            August 25 2016
            An appetite for military junk instantly flared up. Can I have glasses? Can! Not night vision, but ordinary plastic. Che shy, "jacket" - take it while they give it. Glasses class - yellow in color like that of skiers - protection from ultraviolet radiation, no, not solar - from laser radiation. Durable dacron, type 20/200 - withstand the impact of a twenty-gram ball at a speed of 200 miles per hour, which is about 80 meters per second. Come on! Everything seems to be, nothing shines for free


            Also about the American army.
          4. +1
            August 25 2016
            Have you personally seen?
            1. 0
              August 26 2016
              There are such. But then we will just shoot down American planes the same. smile
      2. KAV
        +3
        August 25 2016
        Just a tip: study the materiel, for starters, please. And then you can write with more confidence about how much energy is needed and about everything else that applies to lasers.
        For example, here: http://so-l.ru/news/show/pro_lazerniy_lohotron_zhe
      3. +4
        August 25 2016
        Why are you clinging to energy. Its need a penny.
        A rocket flies with an optical head (including infrared guidance). You shoot at her with a laser. 1 pulse with a power density of 10-100 kW per square centimeter that has fallen on the receiving system will burn it clean. And this channel will be chopped off. The pulse duration is of the order of 10 nanoseconds. To generate such a pulse, you need 10-50 J. If the frequency is 50 Hz it is 250 watts. Is there no such fraud on the plane?

        Well, to see for yourself how the optics burn out, take a camera, set the maximum shutter speed, do not set any filters and try to get a picture of the sun in clear weather. The radiation power density of the sun in the middle band is 1 W per square centimeter.
        Maybe after that the talk about energy will end ...

        Even in the news it is written about the destruction of a rocket, and not about its blinding.
      4. FID
        +5
        August 25 2016
        [quote] [/ quote] If the frequency is 50Hz it is 250 watts. Is there no such fraud on the plane?

        There is no such frequency on the plane ... Usually 400 Hz ...
      5. +5
        August 25 2016
        We must also cling to energy. The pulses used are not nano, but more)) At the same time, about 10% of the electric energy will go into the laser radiation in the most sophisticated equipment. The rest is parasitic thermal, which still needs to be dumped somewhere ... It is, of course, possible to divert thermal energy in flight. The problem is that the above aircraft, unlike civil and transport, at low altitudes will fly at speeds at which their skin can heater over 90 degrees Celsius. And to tie the cooling system to the SLE of an existing aircraft is a problem. Judging by the price of the contract - this is not provided. Existing similar systems operate on MANPADS, which attack along relatively simple trajectories. For air-to-air missiles, this system may not be so effective. But maybe on tk it should not work on these missiles. Tz, we have not seen))) He’s living - we’ll
      6. +3
        August 25 2016
        Even in machines that cut metals with a laser, power is many times greater ... you can tell anything about 30 years of laser training, but then you don’t need to carry garbage about 250 watts of power needed to hit at a distance of kilometers of a v-in rocket. People who are somehow familiar with lasers at least know the order of magnitude.
        1. +1
          August 26 2016
          You are absolutely right - more energy is required here))
          I can only say that it’s no longer an order of magnitude
      7. +3
        August 26 2016
        Below you wrote that you have been doing laser work for more than 30 years. Then it’s strange that you write incorrectly about the power of the laser pulse. It is several times higher than the number voiced by you. In addition, semiconductor elements are now used for these purposes, which are very sensitive to temperature factors. This, in turn, creates problems of heat removal in flight at high-speed modes for small-sized external devices, it is necessary to use Pultier modules, which in turn provide additional stray thermal power))))
  3. +2
    August 25 2016
    I suppose we are not talking about weapons, but about a set of powerful laser radiation to "knock" missiles off course, blinding the guidance head?
    1. +6
      August 25 2016
      and how many missiles do the TV channel use for guidance? Not very much ... And the meaning of such protection? In reserve if only. You also need to install homogeneous armor and anti-cumulative screens. Suddenly, one of the RPGs will be crazy ...
    2. +2
      August 25 2016
      I suppose we are not talking about weapons, but about a set of powerful laser radiation to "knock" missiles off course, blinding the guidance head?

      And there is. Only at first they wanted to put this prodigy on the F-35, but now they don’t want something. request
      1. +6
        August 25 2016
        Because the system will be in the pylon,
        and on the F-22 and F-35 it will dramatically increase the EPR.

        In Israel, such a joke has already been developed. But she is pretty
        massive for equipping fighters. In liners and military
        transport workers already applied.
        1. +3
          August 25 2016
          for a fighter, such a thing, in my opinion, is redundant, but civilian ships and military transport aircraft should be equipped with something similar. I forgot to ask about the effectiveness of your blocks. These guys, as always, will have more than 100% of their promises hanging ...
          1. +7
            August 25 2016
            There are several SkyShield, Flight Guard systems.
            They registered with the civil aviation organization, but
            many countries flatly refuse to host liners
            with such a system. The motivation is that it is a "weapon system".
            Therefore, sales are sluggish. MANPADS such a system reflects, and the explosive
            also can take in a certain perspective.
            Looks like that. As you can see, the pylon is too big for a fighter.
            But, for sure, they are working in the military direction.
            1. +10
              August 25 2016
              A colleague, the SkyShield system is part of the anti-aircraft missile system. And not the best. To the laser system in question in the article, as far as I understand, has nothing to do! The Flight Guard system is put on civilian vessels and works on homing heat heads! Do not mislead people.
            2. +3
              August 25 2016
              warrior ..that you understand everything ..experd dance ..and in politics and tactics, strategy and weapons, finally -...... and everything .. from airspace to sappers, snipers - just a handsome Komsomol member hello and prof-encyclops
        2. +1
          August 25 2016
          result of application? Economic component?
  4. +4
    August 25 2016
    "Imperial starships" will be equipped with "lightsabers".
  5. +3
    August 25 2016
    The day before yesterday - a laser, yesterday - a laser, today again a laser. It’s not funny anymore, it’s time to write - they will be equipped with a laser, a force field, a teleportator and a space folding system! This will be news! wassat
  6. +1
    August 25 2016
    Even if by 2021 these lasers will not work, then this is still a step to a new level of technology. Imagine 2025 or 2030, whether our s-500, s-600 can shoot down such aircraft. They also put these lasers on drones. Didn’t you look at the terminator?
    1. +4
      August 25 2016
      In 2007, the program Shock Force told about the continuation of experiments on the plasma protection of our aircraft and the creation of plasma weapons. If the gopher is not visible - does not mean that it is not. It's just that in America, guys love to yell about their coolness and lure sponsors. Let's see in 2025 what we will fly on and what to shoot from ...
    2. +2
      August 25 2016
      This is not a step, laser firing to defeat was carried out in the 80s, even then it was clear that it would not be possible to install such power on any fighter. True, if the exceptional ones rule out the heels of the laws of physics that impede this venture, then of course ...
    3. +2
      August 26 2016
      These systems are not designed to shoot down missiles - they interfere with the IR-homing heads. For radar heads they are not an obstacle.
  7. +3
    August 25 2016
    Yeah, and then install on f35, which will still be in the testing phase for refinement.
    1. +5
      August 25 2016
      What you don't like about the F-35. It is as much as 50 million cheaper than the F-22. For the United States, it is nonsense that a new plane should be cheaper than the old. Well, if without jokes, then look at how much they buy them: thousands of pieces (procurement plan for the United States 2443 pcs.). And look how many aircraft we have 5 generations, or at least 4 ++.
      1. +5
        August 25 2016
        Show me a photo of at least the 1st thousand purchased F-35 ...
        1. +2
          August 25 2016
          Fucking argument, given the pace of small-scale production (already 200 pcs). The beginning of a large-scale one is designed for 2019.
          1. VP
            +2
            August 25 2016
            And how many of these 200 will go into a deep alteration due to the fact that there is still no fully combat-ready option? And about the earlier, it makes no sense to talk, everything will go into substandard there.
            1. +1
              August 25 2016
              I don’t think that they will have problems finishing up even hundreds of airplanes to condition. - the budget allows. Does it not surprise you that in our country exactly the same situation was with the raw and unhealthy Su-35S? Only volumes are less. They also finished it afterwards.
        2. 0
          August 26 2016
          Show me a photo of at least 1 thousand purchased F-35 ...

          Have you seen a photo with a thousand aircraft, even old ones? smile
      2. +1
        August 25 2016
        Chet not see them anywhere. No one in the queue is buying, even the Pentagon.
  8. +1
    August 25 2016
    They will buy laser pointers from us for this money.
    1. 0
      August 26 2016
      Siberian Yesterday, 18:02
      They will buy laser pointers from us for this money.

      Are you from China? In Russia, laser pointers do not produce request
  9. +4
    August 25 2016
    Quote: KAV
    Just a tip: study the materiel, for starters, please. And then you can write with more confidence about how much energy is needed and about everything else that applies to lasers.
    For example, here: http://so-l.ru/news/show/pro_lazerniy_lohotron_zhe

    Yes, I’ve been doing lasers for 30 years. And this fiction is for those who do not want to think with their own heads.

    Quote: Homo
    You shoot at her with a laser. 1 pulse with a power density of 10-100 kW per square centimeter that has fallen on the receiving system will burn it clean.

    Do you get a focused beam into the receiving optical system of a flying rocket (I am silent about the speed of the rocket)? And if you make a wide beam (without loss of power) then how many times do you need to increase power? That's all the calculations! tongue

    I did not write anything about focusing.
    Let's take a simple look. A solid-state laser with a duration of 7-8 ns and an energy of 300 mJoules has a divergence of 1 mrad. At the output at a diameter of 8 mm, we have a power density of about 100 megawatts per square cm. At a distance of 1 km, it will spread to a diameter of 1 m and will have the desired power density of 10 kilowatts per square meter. cm.
    So why do you need focus?
    Well, the speed of the rocket .... Let's just say - the Chinese at their rocket testing ranges use laser rangefinders to accurately measure the flight paths of products ... and have no problems with the laser hitting the target. Do you really think something different with us and such guidance systems have not been worked out .... bully
    1. +2
      August 25 2016
      Chemical fuel cell lasers not yet created?
      1. +2
        August 25 2016
        Campaign, comrade engaged in industrial lasers.
    2. +3
      August 25 2016
      "power density of about 100 megaWatts per square cm"

      The efficiency of a solid-state unit is a few percent, in a clean atmosphere the attenuation is 3 dB \ km, in a haze everything is 1000 dB \ km.
      Maybe people have enough brains to rosin?
    3. 0
      August 27 2016
      I looked, out of curiosity, of course, the characteristics of the machine for laser cutting of metal
      The HS-F1325 fiber laser machine (IPG300W) is designed for cutting metal up to 4 mm thick.
      Fiber laser emitter IPG 300W (Germany)
      Maximum travel speed 20 m/min.
      Max acceleration 0,3G
      Machine weight 3000 kg.

      The maximum weight of the loaded workpiece is 300 kg.
      Processed material
      Stainless steel (N2) 1,5 mm.
      Stainless steel (O2) 4 mm.
      Structural steel (O2) 4 mm.
      Galvanized steel (O2) 1,5 mm.

      At the same time, as I understand it, the "range" is a few centimeters. Cooling - water. Power consumption - at least 3 kilowatts ... With a mass of two or three tons - the very thing for installation on light fighters ...
  10. +3
    August 25 2016
    That's all they run into Americans, and our Su-24s in Syria do not even have a warning system about launching a missile on an airplane. And this is aviation in a military conflict .... generally sad (
    1. +3
      August 25 2016
      Worth it. It just doesn't work in the back hemisphere. Or the crew is to blame. For there were 2 aircraft, one somehow left ...
      1. +4
        August 26 2016
        Worth it. Works in the back hemisphere. The rocket was of a later development than the system - the sensors might not work. Even the Turks did not use the aircraft guidance system directly. The Americans directed their plane until the rocket caught a target from under the wing - then launch. There was a lot of strange things in that situation - I agree
  11. +2
    August 25 2016
    Cresta999,
    This manufacturers often come up with very similar
    names. I myself get confused. But the systems are real.
    Latest System - C-Music
  12. +4
    August 25 2016
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Cresta999,
    This manufacturers often come up with very similar
    names. I myself get confused. But the systems are real.
    Latest System - C-Music

    It’s such a feeling that you’ll bake battle lasers in any shop like pies ... Next will be Heavy metal-Music ...
    1. +3
      August 25 2016
      "It looks like you have combat lasers in any shop like" ///

      Well, finally you have the right idea to form
      about Israel! fellow drinks
    2. +1
      August 26 2016
      It’s such a feeling that you’ll bake battle lasers in any shop like pies ..

      I already heard something similar ... laughing
  13. 0
    August 25 2016
    Cresta999,
    First Israeli Boeing 737 Flys C-MUSIC DIRCM Self-Protection System

    Translate, or do it yourself?

    The system comprises a fiber-laser based DIRCM housed in a sealed turret for maximized reliability. A missile warning system provides the initial detection of incoming threats. When a threatening missile is detected, the warning is passed to the DIRCM that then directs a thermal tracker to acquire and track the threat. A powerful laser beam is then fired accurately at the missile causing it to be deflected away from the aircraft.
    1. +3
      August 25 2016
      Is it weak in Hebrew? wink
      1. +2
        August 25 2016
        ! מה פתאום, לחיים drinks (what suddenly, for life!)
        1. 0
          August 27 2016
          Cheated! He wrote everything in modern Hebrew. In Hebrew, there were richer with superscript and subscript characters! drinks
  14. +1
    August 25 2016
    Quote: caca
    how optics burn out

    Maybe it's about the matrix? Optics then how side here ..
  15. +2
    August 25 2016
    Yak-3P,
    Good preparation at MOSAD wink
    1. 0
      August 26 2016
      Yak-3P,
      Good preparation at MOSAD

      Israeli foreign intelligence Mossad is deservedly considered one of the most effective intelligence services in the world. hi
  16. +2
    August 25 2016
    Yak-3P, Under such warriors the site was altered.
  17. +5
    August 25 2016
    Spoiled the site .... now you can write all sorts of rubbish and no one will do .....
  18. +2
    August 25 2016
    Cresta999,
    Rafael's SkyShild is this ... on combat transporters (including German A400) is put J-Musik concern Elbit
    1. +2
      August 25 2016
      Personally, I do not like computer graphics, especially Japanese. I'd rather see it, especially since there are real people on the other side of the screen!
  19. +3
    August 25 2016
    We are talking only about a laser that destroys the receiving matrix of thermal imaging seeker MANPADS and air-to-air missiles. Against missiles with a radar seeker and a ceramic (not transparent in the optical range) radome, the laser is powerless.

    The protection of thermal imaging seeker from laser radiation is an elementary photochromic glass installed in front of the matrix and automatically darkening when laser radiation hits it. After that, the laser becomes an excellent optical beacon for aiming an air-to-air missile at it.

    Photochromic glass is darkened when a rocket approaches an aircraft at the moment of catching the edge of a laser spot (low power) defocused in air.

    SHiELD - cut the budget, definitely.

    PS The only real means of aircraft self-defense against missile attacks are ultra-short-range air-to-air missiles, the development of which is still planned.
    1. +1
      August 26 2016
      SHiELD - cut the budget, definitely.

      But only when it works, curses will fly on the head of the next culprit, "who overlooked and did not provide." All repeats ... smile
  20. +1
    August 25 2016
    Quote: Ivar
    40 lyam to 2021 is not serious

    - that's for sure! A system for all angles? Weatherproof? And through the smoky tail (train) will it break through? But will far be visible? Not far? Only 5 m from the device itself? Yes Well, yes, of course, for such pennies! Well, we will provide for the detonation of the charge of our rocket by a laser pulse (by exposure) fellow
    Simplify for example. You yourself will understand more / deeper if you want to argue.
  21. +1
    August 25 2016
    Quote: caca
    The radiation power density of the sun in the middle band is 1 W per square centimeter.

    - i.e. with such heads, missiles are suspended only at night, and if during the day, is it ordered to fly low not to meet the sun?
    I'm hinting about ways to protect the photodetector.
  22. +2
    August 26 2016
    Quote: caca
    What a pulse you need 10-50 J. If the frequency of 50 Hz is 250 watts.

    50 Hz - is it probably from the outlet?
  23. 0
    August 26 2016
    For such money, NO system can be created, especially laser, for an airplane. This is probably a system designed TO BLIND GOS with the thermal principle of target capture. Destroy a maneuvering missile from a maneuvering aircraft POWERFUL
    1. 0
      August 27 2016
      No, well, why! What if laser pointers released in Taiwan will be used as a base?
  24. 0
    August 26 2016
    Most likely this is not a bluff, but a real development, all the same in the courtyard of the 21st century.
    1. 0
      August 27 2016
      Yeah. Is it not obvious that in the 21st century the laws of physics are very different from those in the 19th or 20th century. According to this logic, in the 22nd century there will be a bold transition to martial magic with fireballs and witch landings on a broomstick.
  25. 0
    August 27 2016
    Okay, if it's an IR laser, then you can try to blind the thermal homing head. And that is not a fact. And what is the expected damaging effect of a radar homing system? Like sawing a rocket in half? I think making such a thing with an air-to-air or surface-to-air missile is much more difficult than with a flimsy mini-drone.

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