For the first time, the Russian Krasnopol fire missile was used in Syria.

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A significant number of Russian high-precision weapons have already been tested in Syria, the only exceptions so far have been artillery systems. And recently, the government army used 152-mm Krasnopol shells for the first time. Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

For the first time, the Russian Krasnopol fire missile was used in Syria.


“The advantage of these ammunition is the ability to use old guns - in our case, Soviet D-20 howitzers of the 1947 model. The target is illuminated by a laser rangefinder-designator included in the ammunition delivery kit. In the final phase of the flight, the Krasnopol's homing head is guided by the laser spot and controls the retractable aerodynamic rudders, ”the article says.



The probability of accurately hitting the target is 90%.

It is noted that "the firing range of modern modifications of Krasnopol is 30 kilometers." At the same time, the shells are produced both for the Russian caliber (152 mm) and for the NATO standard (155 mm).

The latter are purchased by China and India. There is a version of Krasnopol with satellite guidance (used by the Russian Coalition-SV howitzer).

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  1. +26
    August 18 2016
    I really hope that the shells will not be wasted.
    1. +68
      August 18 2016
      Since we are participating in the elimination of militants in Syria, it makes sense to test in combat conditions what has long been experienced at training grounds directly in Russia. All the more difficult goals in Aleppo are more than enough. Guided projectiles are what you need.
      1. +45
        August 18 2016
        All the more difficult goals in Aleppo are more than enough. Guided projectiles are what you need.
        In general, a competent artilleryman with a good spotter will destroy all "difficult" targets. Such expensive weapons are primarily intended for special operations. For example, with the help of only two Krasnopol shells, another war between Somalia and Ethiopia was once averted. The Somali column of tanks was already intending to cross the border with Ethiopia, and then two shells flew in from somewhere and hit two tanks. The column did not go further and the war was over before it began. Soviet military advisers tried to end the war with just two shells.
      2. +3
        August 19 2016
        it makes sense to test in combat conditions what has long been experienced at training grounds directly in Russia.


        These shells were tested in Afghanistan. Is only Glonass added. Rather, a version or laser or Glonass. The laser was already in Afghanistan.
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      4. +3
        August 19 2016
        Very accurately noticed!
    2. +1
      August 18 2016
      so, if fab250 / 500 is a long-standing junk, then the red fields are worth money;
      1. +41
        August 18 2016
        The experience and skills gained in combat conditions are generally invaluable ... drinks
        1. +16
          August 18 2016
          This system has a drawback. The target designator must be in direct line of sight from the enemy. Another thing is the new Krasnopol with a satellite guidance system.
          1. 0
            August 19 2016
            Quote: ramzes1776
            This system has a drawback. The target designator must be in direct line of sight from the enemy. Another thing is the new Krasnopol with a satellite guidance system.


            The grandmother said in two, Iraq was testing a system for giving false signals to GPS warheads. Glonass can also be fooled.
      2. +16
        August 18 2016
        Quote: Paul1
        so, if fab250 / 500 is a long-standing junk, then the red fields are worth money;

        There is an expense item - field trials. Who cares where to shoot - at the training ground or in Syria!
        1. -17
          August 18 2016
          Quote: Homo
          Quote: Paul1
          so, if fab250 / 500 is a long-standing junk, then the red fields are worth money;

          There is an expense item - field trials. Who cares where to shoot - at the training ground or in Syria!


          war is not a test, in war the expense is more by orders of magnitude, but it is the expense of the ammunition needed by yourself and the expense of money about which the bear always cries ...
          1. +8
            August 18 2016
            Quote: Paul1
            war is not a test, in war the expense is more by orders of magnitude, but it is the expense of the ammunition needed by yourself and the expense of money about which the bear always cries ...

            What's bad? Money is invested in their businesses. Or do you only need to invest in the US economy?
            1. 0
              August 20 2016
              If this is really so, then one can only rejoice for the next test of a new type of weapon in a combat situation.
          2. +13
            August 18 2016
            The Medvedevs have enough for EBN centers - so no la-la.
            Tests in combat conditions while simultaneously hitting important targets pays off the costs. And in the hands of an untrained soldier, this expensive complex is not at all effective, in this case the costs are really in vain.
        2. +2
          August 18 2016
          There is an expense item - field trials. Who cares where to shoot - at the training ground or in Syria!
          So tested and put into service back in the 80s. Another issue is the disposal of obsolete ammunition or the expiration date. And, of course, work out statistics on combat use.
      3. +16
        August 18 2016
        The projectile also has a shelf life. When this period comes out, you will have to spend money on disposal. So it is better to conduct an advertising campaign for real purposes. You look, looking at the "recipients", maybe there will be buyers more ...
      4. +13
        August 18 2016
        First: the practice of combat use
        Second: updating the arsenal
        And thirdly: shooting with high-precision ammunition is no more expensive than a dozen boxes of conventional ammunition.
        So if you choose and hit the target correctly, then everything pays off.
      5. +7
        August 18 2016
        Quote: Paul1
        so, if fab250 / 500 is a long-standing junk, then the red fields are worth money;

        Any projectile costs no more than a soldier's life.
      6. +4
        August 18 2016
        Running in new systems (relatively) weapons in a database environment costs the same money as the development of these, modifications and troubleshooting will be at least a couple of generations, you don't like this example from our "friends" .... abrams, delirious, tomahawks, drones, about the modernization of fu15 and fu16 is generally a separate topic, a huge layer about depleted uranium in cores against Yugoslavia, everything requires a run-in in the database zone, this was and will always be so there is no need to count the grandmothers, they should be counted when the factories are sawing and the state order is disrupted.
      7. +5
        August 18 2016
        Banquet at my expense. And I don't mind.
      8. 0
        August 18 2016
        "Fab250 / 500 is an old junk" - And there is no other - all these bombs are still produced in the 80s and early 90s.
      9. +2
        August 18 2016
        Do you know at whose expense? La at our expense, not the Americans will develop, produce and test modern artillery shells for us in combat conditions, if you don’t want to feed someone else’s army, it means we have to spend money on our own, well-known truth.
      10. 0
        August 19 2016
        then krasnopoli-money is, still would Basmachi centimeters or daredevils, at whose expense the banquet?
        Skolko is worth (with delivery smile ) a hundred uncontrollable blanks needed for a comparable effect? And the wear of the gun barrel?
      11. 0
        August 19 2016
        at whose expense is the banquet?


        Actually, there is hardly a banquet, just checking the shells in real conditions. Obviously, the train was not delivered.
    3. 0
      August 19 2016
      They will be a gift to hit the bearded!)))
  2. +20
    August 18 2016
    Well done, our gunsmiths and engineers, to use weapons of 1947 with modern means of destruction is super.
    1. +4
      August 18 2016
      We have been proud for a long time, this shell was shown to us in 1998, when I entered a military school.
      1. +2
        August 18 2016
        Quote: kenig1
        , this shell was shown to us in 1998


        It entered service in 1982 ...
        The application is not as difficult as you think.

        At that time, it really was quite expensive, so its use was planned for important purposes.

        Now the technology has been worked out, the element base has been significantly improved, production on-line, the cost has been significantly reduced.

        A projectile of increased power (who is an artilleryman, knows what it is) flies into the window well, although it is absolutely not necessary for him. And it is not necessary to highlight the target itself, it is enough to know the place where it is and to highlight it approximately there.
        The 152nd caliber will do the rest ... good
  3. +5
    August 18 2016
    We are proud of our Armed Forces! good
    1. +11
      August 18 2016
      And electronics engineers. In general, this topic is interesting if you analyze it so that technical progress is driven primarily by wars. For example, the Russian scientist Jacobi used a transformer to detonate sea mines while defending Sevastopol. Russian artilleryman K.I. Konstantinov, who in 1842 invented the world's first electronic device for measuring the speed of shells and so on.
      1. +2
        August 18 2016
        Quote: FIREMAN
        ... Russian artilleryman K.I. Konstantinov, who in 1842 invented the world's first electronic device for measuring the speed of shells and so on.

        As for electronic, you probably have a typo, what kind of electronics is in the 19th century. But for the information about Konstantinov's inventions, thanks, I didn't know, I read it, it's interesting.
        1. +5
          August 18 2016
          Not a typo, but it was primitive: Shkvornikov, P.N. Experimental ballistics. Devices and methods of ballistic measurements / P.N. Shkvornikov, N.M. Platonov. - M .: Oborongiz, 1953 .-- 300 p., P. 12-22]. In 1840-1844, Konstantinov worked abroad as part of a delegation sent "to collect useful information related to artillery" (as I understand it, essentially intelligence in the interests of the Russian Empire). During a business trip, an officer opens an account of his inventions - he creates an electroballistic device (chronograph) designed to measure the speed of an artillery shell at any point on the trajectory. It made it possible to measure time intervals with an unprecedented, almost fantastic accuracy of up to 0,00006 seconds. (http://www.redstar.ru/index.php/newspaper/item/12175-glavnyj-raketchik-rossijsk





          oj-imperii), and the book is in the net if it is interesting. The most interesting thing is that two Frenchmen with whom he worked tried to sue over the primacy of the invention, but nothing came of it, since it was an independent design.
          And none of his devices have survived, here is an article (http://www.mglin-krai.ru/dvoryanskoe-sobranie/251-glava-2-1-general-lejtenant-k



          -i-konstantinov-mify-i-fakty) sad ...
      2. +5
        August 18 2016
        Quote: FIREMAN
        And here is a transformer for example the Russian scientist Jacobi used to detonate sea mines in the defense of Sevastopol.

        I didn’t know about Sevastopol, but there were indeed many mines before Kronstadt. True, most were Nobel mines - shock, and with a small explosive charge. 4 enemy ships managed to blow up on them, but none of them received serious damage, although they were notoriously shitty, therefore they did not climb, but stood, signifying vigorous activity. Jacobi's mines were displayed in relatively small areas, the cable to them went from the sea forts.
        By the way, I also had the idea that, as you rightly said, wars move progress. I support!
  4. +17
    August 18 2016
    I wish we were in the DPR like ...
    1. +6
      August 18 2016
      Quote: Elephant
      I wish we were in the DPR like ...

      You will have a squirrel and a whistle ... laughing
    2. +11
      August 18 2016
      Quote: Elephant
      I wish we were in the DPR like ...


      Or maybe there is ...? The warehouse took off for days at the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they said that careless handling, and maybe such a shell flew ... feel
      1. +4
        August 18 2016
        or maybe such a shell flew ...

        I will quote the classic:
        There are many things in the world, friend Horatio, that are beyond the control of our sages.
        W. Shakespeare. Hamlet
      2. +2
        August 19 2016
        Quote: gray smeet
        I wish we were in the DPR like ...


        As for the DNI, LC, my opinion is as follows.

        The latest events in Crimea are already Ukraine's aggression against Russia. negative
        Therefore, Russia is now completely free of its hands.

        Again, this is why the DPR and LPR will receive everything they need, moreover, it is quite legal and completely legal.

        Good luck there guys!
        While dealing with Syria, we have not forgotten about you. soldier
    3. PKK
      0
      August 18 2016
      How many Elephants are there?
      1. +3
        August 18 2016
        Quote: PKK
        How many Elephants are there?


        judging because Poroshenko is nervous - a lot, he cannot fall asleep for a long time - says Slonov ... feel
  5. +3
    August 18 2016
    Well, it's more fun to sit with a laser thermal imager on the NP than with binoculars. It took a lot of shots to zero in
  6. +2
    August 18 2016
    The most amazing ammunition is the one that hits without missing. Russia also has its own "Excalibur" laughing
    1. 0
      August 19 2016
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Russia also has its own "Excalibur"


      I repeat, yes there is, and since 1982.
      And he was tested in a combat situation and repeatedly.
      Guess where?
  7. +3
    August 18 2016
    All the best in our defense industry - according to the masses of the shaitans! Our miracle will place - a shell of their poor inner content in the picturesque surroundings of Aleppo
  8. +1
    August 18 2016
    And who are the foremost observers? Syrians or our specialists again?
    1. +7
      August 18 2016
      Quote: Corporal
      Syrians or our specialists again?

      And guess at once? wink Yes
  9. SVD
    0
    August 18 2016
    Everything is correct. It is only necessary to provide reliable protection (cover) for those who highlight targets!
  10. -15
    August 18 2016
    Quote: take-off
    I really hope that the shells will not be wasted.


    The cost of a copy is 70 USD
    1. cap
      +8
      August 18 2016
      Quote: navigator777
      The cost of a copy is 70 USD


      Where is the droushka?
      1. +1
        August 18 2016
        Quote: cap
        Quote: navigator777
        The cost of a copy is 70 USD


        Where is the droushka?


        You need to read a lot of literature - you will know that the price appears from 35 thousand dollars in the contract to the Indians in 1998 prices (boldly multiply by 30-50%) this is how the dollar devalued - for 3 thousand defective Krasnopols.
        They had an extremely low shelf life and an incorrectly working altimeter.

        Up to 70 thousand dollars for new copies.
        by the way.
        if not in the know - almost all the stocks of the old Krasnopolye - were destroyed during a very strange "blowing up" of ammunition depots 99 and 102.
        So now we simply do not have real stocks of such shells.
    2. +3
      August 18 2016
      Quote: navigator777
      Quote: take-off
      I really hope that the shells will not be wasted.


      The cost of a copy is 70 USD


      do not underestimate, already $ 773 at once, and non-circular numbers cause more trust, plus a link to some thread source like OGS (One Grandmother Said - One Grandmother Said) wassat
      1. -6
        August 18 2016
        70 000 USD Data from Wikipedia, if someone can provide others, please, but minus, then it is impossible to refute it is simply stupid. Provide others and then we will consider that I am wrong ...
        1. 0
          August 19 2016
          Is not a fact. that wikipedia does not lie laughing
    3. +5
      August 18 2016
      Quote: navigator777
      The cost of a copy is 70 USD

      And Ekalibur costs 150 Baku. hi
      1. +2
        August 18 2016
        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: navigator777
        The cost of a copy is 70 USD

        And Ekalibur costs 150 Baku. hi


        75 thousand in mass production.
        Only now the Americans abandoned the idea of ​​guided shells for field artillery.
        Therefore, do not produce them.
        Too expensive and not efficient enough for the money.
        1. +4
          August 18 2016
          Quote: mav1971
          75 thousand in mass production.

          I came across a figure of 150 ...
          Attention! with massive production price is less, but not sure if it is half.
          Quote: mav1971
          Therefore, do not produce them.

          And for some reason I think that the topic of such shells as Krasnopol is not yet sufficiently implemented and appreciated ...
          1. +1
            August 19 2016
            Quote: NEXUS
            the topic of such shells as Krasnopol is not yet sufficiently implemented and appreciated ..


            This theme has not been sufficiently implemented due to the 90s.
            But it is appreciated and will certainly continue.

            Shooting artillery with conventional ammunition requires a lot of their expense, it is a fact.
            To give them a lift, you need whole "carts" of transporters (for example, in an artillery regiment there is already a whole motor transport company, and this is clearly not enough).
            As a result, the mobility of artillery suffers.
            And here, I loaded 10-15 Krasnopolis into the ammunition rack, a lot of problems go away right away ...

            Certainly the future belongs to guided projectiles, as well as to all high-precision weapons.
            1. 0
              August 19 2016
              Quote: SOKOL777
              Quote: NEXUS
              the topic of such shells as Krasnopol is not yet sufficiently implemented and appreciated ..


              This theme has not been sufficiently implemented due to the 90s.
              But it is appreciated and will certainly continue.

              Shooting artillery with conventional ammunition requires a lot of their expense, it is a fact.
              To give them a lift, you need whole "carts" of transporters (for example, in an artillery regiment there is already a whole motor transport company, and this is clearly not enough).
              As a result, the mobility of artillery suffers.
              And here, I loaded 10-15 Krasnopolis into the ammunition rack, a lot of problems go away right away ...

              Certainly the future belongs to guided projectiles, as well as to all high-precision weapons.


              Only here you do not take into account that such a projectile needs a gunner.
              The task of forward aiming (read target illumination) is much more costly than saving money on "transport" of conventional projectiles.

              Expenses for training specialists in deep exploration, their bases and the training process.
              Their provision with both the material base and the means of delivery.
              Means and methods of delivery and evacuation.
              The cost of the guided projectiles themselves.

              Laser detection and countermeasures are cheaper than a single projectile.
              A conventional tank aerosol (smoke) protection system is triggered and creates a cloud in less than a minute from the start of exposure.
              A powerful source of retargeting (and it is enough to exceed the initial reflected signal by 5 times to retarget the laser seeker) - they are also technologically simple and inexpensive.

              So it was already considered that guided projectiles based on the reflected laser beam were to fight only against the Papuans. Against a more or less technologically advanced enemy, or in a full-fledged clash with a normal army, they are useless. Both tactics and weapons.
              And against the Papuans, you can either cover the object with a couple of dozen ordinary shells.
              Or use other types of ammunition. Those. the same helicopter-based ATGM.

              As they say. it was smooth on paper, but they forgot about the ravines.
  11. +4
    August 18 2016
    Great news. But for the assessment of good or bad, I'm used to asking a question in comparison with whom.
    Compared to NATO, we are lagging behind in the official statistics of combat use, which is sad. But the very fact that, finally, the army is using "high" technologies not in exercises and parades, but in a real TVD, is encouraging.
    There was also no data on the use of Kitolov-2, 2M and KM-8 "Gran"! There is nothing secret about these shells! But they do not use it, but in vain.
    1. +6
      August 18 2016
      Quote: Romin
      Compared to NATO, we are lagging behind in the official statistics of combat use, which is sad.

      Are you offering us (Russia) to start fighting in all corners of the planet (like the United States)? What would be where to apply.
      1. +2
        August 18 2016
        Well, Syria seems to be already. Why not use it?
      2. +2
        August 18 2016
        In all corners of the planet, Russia should not conduct military operations, but where it is necessary, there it is necessary.
    2. +2
      August 18 2016
      To be honest, the development and production of guided artillery shots (or mines) is still a hemorrhoid. For comparison, on an ATGM or a homing element in cluster munitions (MLRS or aerial bombs), and even on OTR, during their operation there are no such dynamic overloads as on an artillery projectile in the gun barrel. And in the UAS homing head, microcircuits and optoelectronic components are so delicate, delicate, fragile, fragile. So that all this economy works properly at the right moment in time and you have to try hard on the right part of the trajectory.
      The price of 70 dollars under the export contract is normal, it does not reflect the cost of the product, but is the result of a commercial transaction.

      PS By the way, "Krasnopoli" Indians sorted out and finalized, taking into account the use in the mountains. Everyone was satisfied.
  12. +8
    August 18 2016
    When it was still being developed, they were going to put it on my gun (2a36), and then for some reason it did not add up.
    But I looked at the prototype.
    Hopefully now it has been corrected, but the prototype's equipment of the spotter weighed an awful lot, I could hardly lift it, but he needs to work in the rear of the enemy with this canoe.

    By the way, I hope that since the Syrians are working in the position, then the spotters are also theirs.
    And the D-20 is a perpetual machine.
  13. 0
    August 18 2016
    how close can you highlight the target? a question to the specialists, a couple of kilometers is it real?
    1. +11
      August 18 2016
      Quote: Alexander69
      a question to the specialists, a couple of kilometers is it real?

      Really real, you don't need to go to the specialists, you can find out everything yourself. It's called 1D15, it has been declassified for a long time, because new ones have come out.

      But whoever has highlighted at least once knows how the weather affects, so everything is different in the field.
    2. +1
      August 18 2016
      Quote: Alexander69
      how close can you highlight the target? a question to the specialists, a couple of kilometers is it real?

      Quite realistically, under certain conditions.
  14. 0
    August 18 2016
    Can this projectile blind the enemy?
    1. +3
      August 18 2016
      Quote: aiden
      Can this projectile blind the enemy?

      It remains to notice it or determine where the shelling will come from, or calculate the controlled one among all the shells.
      1. 0
        August 18 2016
        It remains to notice it or determine where the shelling will come from, or calculate the controlled one among all the shells.


        Why such difficulties? I think that you need to have a laser radiation detector and that's it - you're in kings. I do not know what it is called, but the point is to determine that you have been "highlighted" and to blame (either yourself or the one who highlights). But the device is not always there.
        1. +11
          August 18 2016
          This target is illuminated for only a few seconds at the final corrected section of the projectile trajectory. Everything is synchronized with the shot, the flight time is known ... In a few seconds, the "target" will not have time to shout the "nix". And the spotter needs to change his position - God takes care of him.
  15. +2
    August 18 2016
    Quote: gray smeet
    Or maybe there is ...? The warehouse took off for days at the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they said that careless handling, and maybe such a projectile flew

    From the Kapustin Yar training ground laughing
    1. +1
      August 18 2016
      Probably the answer to the sabotage in the Crimea, it would be normal, what a hello. that should be the answer.
  16. -4
    August 18 2016
    The probability of an accurate hit on the target is 90%. Not enough. It has long been necessary to attach shells to the GLONASS coordinates, and not to use laser sights, the last century.
    1. +4
      August 18 2016
      Quote: muzikdog
      The probability of an accurate hit on the target is 90%. Not enough. It has long been necessary to attach shells to the GLONASS coordinates, and not to use laser sights, the last century.

      At the beginning of the globalka, the satellites will be demolished first of all, and then what to do with what was only inferred from their data?
    2. +2
      August 18 2016
      Quote: muzikdog
      The probability of an accurate hit on the target is 90%. Not enough. It has long been necessary to attach shells to the GLONASS coordinates, and not to use laser sights, the last century.

      Played toys, kid?
      This is not Battlefield - everything is different in life.
      1. +2
        August 18 2016
        This is exactly what life is like for an adult, but if ours pull up the "flagship" of artillery to the barmaley PPC, and if the core is tied to the glonass, then a double PPC.
        1. +5
          August 18 2016
          Quote: 31R-US
          This is exactly what life is like for an adult, but if ours pull up the "flagship" of artillery to the barmaley PPC, and if the core is tied to the glonass, then a double PPC.


          Our "Aurora" after repairs returned to service, now the question with Cuba is being worked out about how to transfer it closer to our "friends" feel

          Performance characteristics of the cruiser "Aurora" - one salvo is capable of destroying the state wink
    3. +5
      August 18 2016
      It is necessary for a long time to tie shells to the coordinates of GLONASS, and not to use laser sights, the last century.
      You might think that with a satellite, the accuracy will be higher. There are so many different factors affecting accuracy, which are fully known only to specialists. And about the last century, I will repeat history. My father once took part in a demonstration of artillery fire by the armies of the Warsaw Treaty countries. The exercise commander ordered the gun crews to hide the calculators and manually calculate the firing. All the allied gunners were helpless, while ours did an excellent job with a pencil, paper and slide rule, and fired perfectly well. And you say the last century.
    4. +2
      August 18 2016
      Krasnopol is the "last century".
    5. +1
      August 19 2016
      Quote: muzikdog
      and not to use laser sights, the last century.
      negative

      Guidance systems must be combined, this is the key to success in any battle conditions.
  17. 0
    August 18 2016
    Quote: Homo
    Quote: Romin
    Compared to NATO, we are lagging behind in the official statistics of combat use, which is sad.

    Are you offering us (Russia) to start fighting in all corners of the planet (like the United States)? What would be where to apply.


    And for what purpose are you exaggerating? To shine with the sharpness of the brain?
    Why don't you like the "fashion trend" in the fight against world terrorism? And we have been "present" in Syria not for a year or two.
    And how do you assess the use of military equipment at the training ground and at the combat TVD? Is it the same?
  18. +4
    August 18 2016
    If the Krasnopol-D is being run-in, it’s not a bad thing. Such projectiles do not need illumination. There are geographic coordinates of the target, and the rest is a matter of technology.
    Quote: Homo
    Are you offering us (Russia) to start fighting in all corners of the planet (like the United States)? What would be where to apply.

    It is possible in all corners. Only such wars should be profitable. For example: we are weapons and advisers to you, and you will be so kind as to have a diamond mine at our disposal for 30 years. In this situation, the money will be both for new developments and for decent salaries and pensions.
    1. +2
      August 18 2016
      Quote: TOR2
      If the Krasnopol-D is being run-in, it’s not a bad thing. Such projectiles do not need illumination. There are geographic coordinates of the target, and the rest is a matter of technology.
      Quote: Homo
      Are you offering us (Russia) to start fighting in all corners of the planet (like the United States)? What would be where to apply.

      It is possible in all corners. Only such wars should be profitable. For example: we are weapons and advisers to you, and you will be so kind as to have a diamond mine at our disposal for 30 years. In this situation, the money will be both for new developments and for decent salaries and pensions.


      I agree, just a small addition - sometimes the war is not only for gaining profits, but also to prevent losses and losses, in the form of some kind of gas or oil supply. Syria in this case is a unique place, but it raises the image in the trade of our military equipment in the world, not to mention the image of Russia among the countries of the Middle East hi
  19. +4
    August 18 2016
    Oh!
    Well I studied them 30 years ago!
  20. -1
    August 18 2016
    Quote: megafair
    Quote: muzikdog
    The probability of an accurate hit on the target is 90%. Not enough. It has long been necessary to attach shells to the GLONASS coordinates, and not to use laser sights, the last century.

    At the beginning of the globalka, the satellites will be demolished first of all, and then what to do with what was only inferred from their data?

    Do you know how easy it is to demolish satellites? At the start of the globalka, satellites will not be the first, and artillery systems will not be used at all.
  21. +2
    August 18 2016
    Quote: ramzes1776
    The target designator needs to be in direct line of sight from the enemy. Another thing is the newcomer Krasnopol with a satellite guidance system.

    Necessary. Written together.
    The satellite guidance system is less accurate. In dense buildings, laser is better.
  22. 0
    August 18 2016
    Quote: Orionvit
    It is necessary for a long time to tie shells to the coordinates of GLONASS, and not to use laser sights, the last century.
    You might think that with a satellite, the accuracy will be higher. There are so many different factors affecting accuracy, which are fully known only to specialists. And about the last century, I will repeat history. My father once took part in a demonstration of artillery fire by the armies of the Warsaw Treaty countries. The exercise commander ordered the gun crews to hide the calculators and manually calculate the firing. All the allied gunners were helpless, while ours did an excellent job with a pencil, paper and slide rule, and fired perfectly well. And you say the last century.

    I agree that our officers are much more professional, but progress does not stand still, any process should be automated as much as possible to save time, sometimes it saves lives.
  23. 0
    August 18 2016
    Well, one more shell on the head of the barmaley.
    1. 0
      August 18 2016
      Probably as much as they use cruise missiles, or even less - expensive ammunition.
  24. 0
    August 18 2016
    Provision of "assistance" with ammunition from Russia to potential "partners" only through self-flight. Let them "enjoy".
  25. +4
    August 18 2016
    During one of the stages of the CSTO exercises in the Pskov and Leningrad regions, a call to the "NATO soldiers" to surrender was broadcast through loudspeakers, RIA Novosti reports.

    “NATO soldiers! You are being deceived! You are not peacemakers! Lay down your weapons! You are fighting on foreign territory. You have disturbed the peace of a peaceful country with your treacherous attack. You will be overtaken by just retribution and the anger of the people, who have not yet suffered defeat in any war, ”- a recording of a woman's voice sounded from the loudspeaker.

    The recording was reportedly broadcast in several European languages, including Russian, German and English.
    1. +2
      August 18 2016
      Quote: Viktor fm
      NATO soldiers! You are being deceived! You are not peacemakers! Lay down your weapons! You are fighting on foreign territory. You have disturbed the peace of a peaceful country with your treacherous attack. You will be overtaken by just retribution and the anger of the people, who have not yet suffered defeat in any war, ”- a recording of a woman's voice sounded from the loudspeaker.
      I also read it already ... notoriously trolled "partners" laughing laughing laughing
    2. 0
      August 19 2016
      not yet defeated in a single war
      Here there is a different view of history - NATO members will remember Chechnya and Tsushima.
  26. -2
    August 19 2016
    We do not have UAVs that provide target coordinates in real time. We do not have systems that ensure the exchange of information between UAVs and weapons of destruction. In terms of the use of information technology in modern warfare, we are in ...
    in the ass ..... that's right.
    1. +1
      August 19 2016
      Quote: garpastum75
      We do not have UAVs that provide target coordinates in real time. We do not have systems that ensure the exchange of information between UAVs and weapons of destruction. In terms of the use of information technology in modern warfare, we are in ...
      in the ass ..... that's right.

      - the Chukchi are clearly not a reader. But the writer ... here, catch:

      Quote: kdale1980
      ... Well, a little about UAVs in Syria .. If you had even a little followed what the Aerospace Forces uses in Syria, you would know that, for example, the Forpost UAVs are used there. And even if this is not our development, but they are produced under an Israeli license, but they are just intended for reconnaissance and target designation. And all this in real time .. Including in real time and PURPOSE ... If you still remember what kind of UAVs are used there, taking into account the transfer of information in real time, then you can remember the "Bee" ... well, that's it, on a vskidku ... Therefore, before you make a minus or something to assert - sort out the topic a little. By the way, "Pchela" is designed to work in conjunction with SRZO and artillery systems ...
  27. 0
    August 19 2016
    Slightly surprising is the laser designator at a distance of 30 km. I think this is impossible. But GLONASS or UAV is much more interesting.
    1. +1
      August 19 2016
      Quote: Alex von Dorn
      Slightly surprising is the laser designator at a distance of 30 km. I think this is impossible. But GLONASS or UAV is much more interesting.


      The range of the complex of laser illumination of targets in ideal conditions is up to 5-7 km.
      Those. this is the cleanest air, a bed of 5 tons and the presence of a precision fastening mechanism and a line of sight at such a distance.
      But in reality there will be - 500-1000 meters, a weak laser (but light and portable for the gunner-saboteur), dust and the environment of enemies on all sides.
    2. 0
      August 24 2016
      Alex von Dorn 19 August 2016 07:16
      Slightly surprising is the laser designator at a distance of 30 km.

      30 years ago, I had a 1D6M. In good weather, I took a range of up to 6.5 km.
      So it was already 30 years ago.
      Don't be surprised, life goes on ...
  28. 0
    August 19 2016
    there is movement, already good, and then we will gradually modernize, but in general it is better with hailstones over the squares ...
    1. 0
      August 19 2016
      Quote: realist
      there is movement, already good, and then we will gradually modernize, but in general it is better with hailstones over the squares ...


      It has been modernized many times already. At least three modifications are already in place.
  29. 0
    August 19 2016
    Quote: seti
    Since we are participating in the elimination of militants in Syria, it makes sense to test in combat conditions what has long been experienced at training grounds directly in Russia. All the more difficult goals in Aleppo are more than enough. Guided projectiles are what you need.


    there are thousands of tons of bombs in transnistria that need to be disposed of. the ISIS base is the very place to dispose of the bomb stock.
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  31. 0
    August 19 2016
    In fact, it would be nice to have an unmanned drone to illuminate the target, and not a living person. In this case, experienced fire spotters did not endanger their lives. A direct example is our spotter who died in Syria.

    The drone's capabilities just have to be impressive, which is bad. It would be better to be able to use relatively small and cheap (no more than 100 thousand rubles) quadcopters. In this case, it is not necessary to hover over the target, endangering the drone. It will be enough to hover at a fairly safe distance (about the same as a human spotter), but at a higher altitude, which is even better for target illumination.
  32. +1
    August 19 2016
    In the discussion of the details - lasers \ Glonass \ drones \ satellites, everyone forgot the economic feasibility.
    Hit a target worth $ 1000 with ammunition worth $ 50000. - no economy can stand it. The European democrats in Libya tried to cover everything with high-precision weapons, but soon the "cartridges" ran out. Yes, and the United States in Iraq at some point said stop cruise and other missiles, more is not enough.
    The ratio "target importance - type of ammunition" is only becoming more relevant.
    There is an explored command post - a gift from a glonas to him. There is a tank - a gift for him with lighting (if possible and necessary). There is a machine-gun nest (as a rule, there is someone else nearby) - a few greetings to him with simple PF.
  33. +2
    August 19 2016
    Look how the barmaley left Manbij, "besieged" by the pro-American coalition, like a Dagestan wedding in Moscow? And no "humanitarian truce", "concern for the needs of the population" - the Americans are liquid ... only from one kind of "evil barmaley" who, with full weapons and banners, left the almost completely destroyed and plundered city with hundreds of corpses on the streets. satisfied with themselves (the line of pickups stretched for several kilometers !? No UAVs or aircraft, not even a single shot towards ISIS, just not to return! Yes, the rights of the Washington Post, the complete failure of the US policy in the B. East: "Russia, Iran and China will seize control of both Syria and Iraq .... And then they will destroy ALL the monarchies of the Persian Gulf, establishing a new world order in EURASIA, including Europe "! May God bless us! Amen!
    1. 0
      August 19 2016
      Quote: KudrevKN
      Save us, Lord! Amen!

      Bury, bury deeper ... Amen!
  34. 0
    August 20 2016
    Gentlemen, sorry for the intervention, but there is a question for the pros ...
    About laser illumination of a target from the ground, in general, it is understandable why and when it is used ... it is not clear why laser illumination from a UAV when there is GLONASS? An UAV in flight is always located at known coordinates, the direction of flight, the orientation of the surveillance camera, and the altitude are known. On a video frame with a UAV, mark a point and find out its coordinates in the GLONASS system based on the current position of the UAV - these are elementary calculations. And it is not necessary to highlight, and in the case of a moving target, lead it through the camera in automatic mode and transmit the coordinate changes to the projectile control system in real time.
    The same with ground target designation, advanced binoculars with GLONASS, with an electronic compass, with an accelerometer, etc. in the ordinary observation mode, knowing the observer’s coordinates in GLONASS, the direction to the target, the distance to the target (laser or optical range finder in the binoculars itself), you can determine the coordinates of the target and transfer it to the ammunition.
  35. 0
    August 20 2016
    Such a chance cannot be missed in any way, it is imperative to test the latest developments in combat conditions and draw appropriate conclusions. We will definitely be on top.
  36. 0
    August 20 2016
    The firing range is 30 km and the gunner must sit near the target, so they die.
  37. 0
    August 20 2016
    Comrades, what's the problem with transmitting target coordinates from the UAV in real time? To do this, you need to know your GPS coordinates, azimuth and distance to the target. All this data is found with devices sold in ordinary civilian stores!
  38. 0
    August 22 2016
    took and used the last shells, not even left for the museum.)))
  39. 0
    August 23 2016
    As I believe, these shells have a shelf life, and proper disposal is needed.
  40. 0
    August 24 2016
    Sergeef96,
    Damn, special, well, you "pulled up". "Warriors of Light" of the coalition, because there is equipment there, in your opinion, "Mama Don't Cry." Show their results? And compare the results of VKS and SAR. Then beat yourself in the chest. And so - "There is no sausage, no butter, no coffee", and finally "Tigers are not told meat in the cage." Some moaning, "Lament of Yaroslavna" in one word. Conclusion - look at the results.

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