Russia has begun testing alternatives to satellite communications

Structurally part of Rosteh The United Instrument Making Corporation (DIC) presented the latest development in the communications system. This is a technology that allows you to significantly increase the security of communications and transmit data through channels for many hundreds of kilometers, even in difficult terrain. Rostec's press service reports that a new technological solution will create competition for a satellite communications system.

It is noted that the technology is already undergoing the necessary testing as part of the ground communications complex. Deputy Director General of the United Instrument-Making Corporation Sergey Skokov states that the new technology should not yield to satellite in terms of data transfer speed.

Sergey Skokov:

In the development of our concern, “Constellations”, radically new approaches were applied, which made it possible to increase the data transmission rate several times and to protect the equipment from interference and listening three times. Now there are tests of the system, in parallel, we are updating the software, which will further increase the speed and range of the equipment.

It is noted that the new technology allows you to exchange information in terms of both natural and artificially set interference. In this case, the reliability of communication is due to the use of a new broadband waveform, which uses the so-called software frequency tuning. This form allows you to ignore the interference.

The radio station itself operates in the shortwave range, which has traditionally been considered unreliable and poorly protected. The new technology allows to challenge this stereotype.

Completion of all necessary tests is scheduled for 2017 year.

Comments

[Irokez]

Hmm. Good and reliable communication is already half the battle. Here, in general, the HF band is used and protected with bells and whistles and this is probably a well-forgotten old with new features.

[NIKNN]

This makes me happy.
Satellite communications are not for war ... Satellites will be demolished first of all if they suddenly ...

[cniza]

The military should have their own completely independent communication system and its duplication. Successes.

[Batia]

The cost of a satellite fighter rocket is 10 times more expensive at least. So demolishing satellites is a very expensive task.

[alexng]

When the candle is under the ass, then the question of price is no longer worth it. In a world carnage, the one who does not have a binding only to satellites will win. And satellites, with a big mess, will be the first to turn into space debris. For this purpose, the A-135 complex is designed as well as our military laser weapon, which will be used only against satellites, for this purpose it (this laser) is not suitable, apart from the auxiliary properties of this device - blinding all types of satellites.

[Orionvit]

The cost of a satellite fighter rocket is 10 times more expensive at least

Well, you bent it, rather the opposite. The satellite itself is very expensive, and if you calculate the delivery to orbit, then excuse the sky-high amounts.

[Artyom]

We launch a bucket of bolts into orbit and, in the next 100 years, the launch of satellites into space is guaranteed.

[Alex_Tug]

The Air Force requested assistance in developing plasma bombs that would be delivered to the atmosphere by tiny cubic satellites, and then detonated to release ions upon arrival. The Air Force works with several research teams, each tasked with coming up with their own design for plasma bombs.

The idea of ​​artificial atmospheric ionization to improve radio communications is not new and is already being used in Alaska. The High Frequency Program uses terrestrial antennas to bombard the ionosphere with radiation. This radiation produces radio reflective plasma, which in turn improves radio communications. The idea of ​​a plasma bomb is based on the HFAARP program to directly modify the ionosphere, rather than rely on ground-based technology.

[Marconi41]

Quote: NIKNN

The satellites will be demolished first of all if they suddenly ..

If suddenly, the electronic magnetic pulse will not regret this station either. In addition, when using nuclear weapons, there will be a large ionization of the atmosphere, and how KV means will behave in this case is a big mystery. (try to pump the HF connection in the northern lights).
However, the matter was still necessary, there were always reserve funds in the army.

[AVA77]

The passage under the northern lights is better than without it with respect UB3SAQ

[HAM]

You are right. About this connection in the lectures, D.P. Linde spoke in the early 80s, well, but work, I think, was carried out even earlier. New technologies + experience will allow to realize this project ...

[Observer2014]

Russia has begun testing alternatives to satellite communications

Well, now you can safely, if something happens, tear off a dozen satellites stuffed with balls.

[Orionvit]

Well, now it’s safe to rush off a dozen satellites stuffed with balls

And to the end litter near-Earth space so that generally goodbye space? Have you ever thought what you are offering. In low Earth orbit, and so already trash.

[Corsair]

Quote: Orionvit

And to the end litter near-Earth space so that generally goodbye space? Have you ever thought what you are offering. In low Earth orbit, and so already trash.

then we’ll launch a network with magnets km to km to catch the balls ...

[Juborg]

Good news, if only not to miss this area, like the ballet "ahead of the rest".

[Mountain shooter]

Shortwave connection with reflections from the ionosphere! On the new principles of modulation and encryption. Here it is really, the wills of invention is cunning! For such a connection, the presence of satellites is not necessary.

[Batia]

Robyat! In the HF band, when applying noise-like signals, the transmission speed is extremely low. I still believe in the transfer of packets (SMS). But phone and PD are from the category of fairy tales. Even theoretically this is impossible. Here is a radically different and complex solution. In the open press TTX we learn in eleven years.

[Seva100pol]

Google harris instrument and stanag5066 standard. No tales.

[Sedoiv]

worked and works and very good

[Colonel]

Quote: Batia

But phone and PD from the category of fairy tales

Control room R-161 with Vishnya adaptive communication equipment. The channel was closed with "Flywheel" and talked. Late 90s early 00s.
But in the photo for the article, the hardware is clearly not in the HF range.

[dmi.pris1]

Physical principles remain principles .. Of course, the HF range in terrains with complex terrain is preferable. Well, if noise immunity is increased, this is good.

[Orionvit]

Physical principles remain principles

New physical principles have not yet been discovered, or, as stated in the article, "new approaches".

[Deniska]

The question is different .... Will it become civilian?

[Mykl]

Receive over time. Like everything previously implemented in the military-industrial complex.

[gray smeet]

Quote: Deniska

The question is different .... Will it become civilian?

Yes, it would be nice if it wouldn’t hurt, the bourgeois do so ..

[Batia]

For a citizen, the requirements for noise immunity and intelligence are completely different.

[Felix]

Quote: Deniska

The question is different .... Will it become civilian?

What's the point? For civilian communications GSM is optimal, transport workers (Russian Railways, rivermen and others like them) are sitting in the GMV range without it ...

[Homo]

Quote: Deniska

The question is different .... Will it become civilian?

Over time, the military comes to the citizen.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Deniska

Will it become civilian?

But why civilians? In peacetime, and satellites fly without problems.

[Elephant]

It is reported that "OKB presented the latest development." But why then the tests are planned already for 2017 ??? Why pull a cat by the tail!

[Verdun]

Quote: Elephant

It is reported that "OKB presented the latest development." But why then the tests are planned already for 2017 ??? Why pull a cat by the tail!

Well, the assumption that the whole thing is in bureaucratic delays is immediately dismissed as insolvent. And that the presented development is still raw and not brought to mind, we completely exclude it. And that there is no money for testing yet, this also cannot be ... Oh, got it! The ionosphere is probably not ready yet!

[vorobey]

Quote: Elephant

It is reported that "OKB presented the latest development." But why then the tests are planned already for 2017 ??? Why pull a cat by the tail!

gentlemen take a closer look .. quote ... "Completion of all necessary tests is scheduled for 2017." keyword completion

quote .. "It is noted that the technology is already undergoing the necessary testing as part of a ground communications complex." key expression - already being tested

[NEXT]

I don’t know on what principles this gravicap works. But this is definitely very good news. Thanks to the author and definitely "+". The better the connection, the fewer "subscribers out of reach" .

[Rusfaner]

Kv are, by definition, "narrow" channels. In the photo, by the way, the so-called. the "troposphere" is also not very broadband, and the range is up to 150 km. In general, the article is more like the slogan: "Our answer to Chamberlain."
An alternative to which satellite channels? Voice over from Iridium, Globalstar and Thuraya? Or broadband intellectuals and the like? Still they would write that the OKB refuted Shannon's theorem and that’s all - satellite communications to the dump!

[andranick]

I also sat and thought: is this a satellite channel so thin-thin, or HF thick, from and to. Or maybe I don’t understand someone and it's time to take a diploma?

[Batia]

Absolutely agree. He has been exploiting the "space" for more than 20 years. It is impossible to completely replace. The cost of a space channel after 100 km is already cheaper than a wired one, and the bandwidth is commensurate with optical fiber.

[Seva100pol]

The troposphere in the US version is up to 10 megabits. There are no alternatives to them.

[russmensch]

No matter what someone says, communication in battle is the first thing. More than once I had to participate in all kinds of exercises, and each time the problem of communication arose. Especially when the electronic warfare began to "hate". All radio sets started to work at zero. Fuck who you call ... So I had to suffer ... And they switched to controlling the flags (there was no laughing matter), and the telephone lines were pulled (and the "bastards saboteurs" do not sleep and cut and cut the connection). And the commands were transmitted by voice along the chain, and even messengers were sent to distances of up to 5-10 km., In general, everything is like in a real battle. And here, if everything really works out, the picture is drawn completely different. This development can in fact become the level of the greatest achievements.

[Mentat]

Quote: Talker

Quote: NIKNN

Satellite communications are not for war ... Satellites will be demolished first of all if they suddenly ...

No radio station can replace a satellite. A satellite is not only communications, but also intelligence and a platform for deploying weapons. Therefore, one should not rely on the short-wave, but make satellites which are difficult to bring down, and if they suddenly knock down, quickly launch new ones.

Although the development of the article itself is a good thing, it does not compare with the satellite in any way.

And again, an attempt, at least in some way, to shove the negativity from Tolmach. The note does not talk about satellites in general, and not even about the loss of interest in satellite communications, but that work is underway to create alternative communication channels, which will make it more reliable and stable.

[Mentat]

Quote: Rusfaner

Still they would write that the OKB refuted Shannon's theorem and that’s all - satellite communications to the dump!

Another. Why are these cries? Additional communication channels are being created, what does the “satellite communication to the landfill" mean?

[avg-mgn]

Until the 90 years, tropospheric communication systems (TS) were widely used for long-distance communications, both in the army and in the national economy, although wavelengths shorter than 10 meters were used. The choice of operating frequencies was determined by the size of the antenna mast structures. With the advent of space communications, the relevance of using the vehicle decreased (price / quality in favor of space) and in the end, what remained was. The HF range allows you to build communication lines through the ionosphere over very large distances of thousands of kilometers, and the chip, noted in the article - use of a new broadband waveform that uses so-called frequency tuning.
Now, for a hypothetical interception of information, a potential adversary will have to create not only similar equipment, but also unsuccessfully fight mathematics.

[Seva100pol]

The enemy will record the entire range and then make a puzzle.

[Sedoiv]

yes math she is always ahead

[avg-mgn]

Quote: Batia

I still believe in the transfer of packets (SMS). But phone and PD are from the category of fairy tales.

The problem is solved by switching to digital using information compression algorithms and expanding the communication channel (this is not civilian communication, where the bandwidth is regulated).

[musicdog]

The professor, of course, is a mug, but we will accept the equipment ... (c) The Adventures of Shurik

[Mikhail3]

Comrade Glushkov would have been glad about "new approaches".

[avg-mgn]

Quote: Seva100pol

The enemy will record the entire range and then make a puzzle.

The course of your thoughts is understandable, but imagine that a whole network of synchronous pairs is working, for example, at least 2 (these are realities) using the only known synchronous algorithm. You will never put the puzzle together for you will not know which pair the moment the next message fragment belongs to, this time. Second: I said earlier that the enemy (no matter which one) will have to first create (steal) similar tools, recreate the algorithm for changing frequencies, the probability of calculating packet losses, not to mention de-compiling (decrypting) the message itself ... And the last argument is that fighting in a modern war is fleeting, and the enemy, having spent considerable money on overcoming the network’s resilience, will receive more or less reliable information after a day, hours and more than one, (there is such a concept - the relevance of information) and all the efforts down the drain. Like that, no secrets.

[Alex_Tug]

And the last argument - the fighting in the modern war is fleeting, and the enemy, having spent considerable money on overcoming the network’s resilience, will receive more or less reliable information after a day, hours and more than one, (there is such a concept - the relevance of information) and all the efforts down the drain.

Or take an example from the staff. In the war with Japan, the Indians were mobilized and the Old was transmitted in the Indian language. While you find out what kind of language and learn the language, the war has already ended. Today it’s simpler, computers can do it, Indian tribes will have to change more often.

[Ze Kot]

"allows factor of increase the security of communication "

WHAT DOES IT MEAN ???

[Vovan 73]

Alleluia !!!!! But in my fifth year at the military school I wrote a diploma and proved that HF ​​and phase-shift keying are just that. Not really stupid, I, apparently, was in the distant 96th ......... It’s only a pity that everything went awry .......

[work67]

What kind of political elite