Faces of war. Marshal Budyonny

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In our age of universal awareness, it is very difficult to find something new about a famous person. Especially if someone has made efforts to ensure that a person is properly immersed in the dirt. Or, on the contrary, a frank scoundrel and a traitor to endow with a crown of martyrdom and glorify. And therefore, to give a certain number of portraits, undeservedly overlooked, is not a bad idea.

On the one hand, a lot was written about Semen Mikhailovich Budyonny, on the other hand, only the lazy one did not throw dirt at him, sculpturing the image of a sort of dashing cavalryman, except for checkers and a horse, he didn’t think anything else, and he couldn’t think.

Yes, the fact that Budyonny was a dashing cavalry, fortunately, does not dare to challenge any writing organism. Five crosses of St. George and four St. George's medals are an indicator. Yes, one cross was taken away by a scuffle superior in rank, but ... A full St. George's bow had the place to be. Zhukov was also a very dashing and fearless cavalryman. But Georgiev he had only two.

And Budyonny did not just love horses. He adored them. And this is also not a minus, but a plus. Because thanks to this love, which was also shifted to work in the field of horse breeding, we have two beautiful breeds of horses, Budennovsk and Terek, as well as a sufficient number of horses in the Red Army in 1941-1945. For this alone it would be possible to assign a Hero of Socialist Labor.

Faces of war. Marshal Budyonny
Horse Terek breed


Horse Budennovskaya breed


Many borzopisty accuse Budyonny that he very willingly accepted gifts by horses. This is true. With special joy I took horses of foreign blood. But, since he lived in Moscow, on Granovsky Street, if not in a very simple, but apartment building, it is clear that he did not have any stables. And all the horses donated to him were sent to the stud farms. See the result above.

A biography in general is such a thing ... Dry facts, and the whole question is how to interpret them. But everyone can get acquainted with the biography, much more interesting is what is left behind the frame or between the lines.

The way Budyonny fought in the First World War, we will omit. He fought well, and that says it all. But it is worth noting that half of his awards were awarded for actions in the enemy’s rear areas. This speaks not only of courage, but also of a certain understanding of the tactics of such actions.


SM Budyonny in 1916 year.


During the Civil War, Budyonny acted no less successfully by creating an equestrian detachment operating against the White Guards on the Don, who joined the 1 Cavalry Peasant Socialist Regiment under the command of B. M. Dumenko, in which Budyonny was appointed deputy regiment commander. The regiment subsequently grew into a brigade, and then a cavalry division. And the result was the First Cavalry Army.

Here Budyonny proved himself as a commander. There were beats, and repeatedly, Mammoths, Skins, Denikin, Wrangell. There were also defeats, in 1920, near Rostov, from General Toporkov and in 10 days from General Pavlov. But with Pavlov, restoring the losses incurred, Budyonny got even.

I must say about what ensured the success of the cavalry of Budyonny. For some reason, all the “historians” in unison prefer to keep silent about this. And it is worth saying. I'm talking about cart.



Tachanka invented, that is, Nestor Ivanovich Makhno adapted for military needs. The genius of the partisan war and the author of tactical frauds of the time. Budyonny, having seen this technical novelty, grasped it and used it for its intended purpose. Moreover, he “pushed through” as a special type of weapon in the Red Army.

What is the secret of the cart, why the cart, not the cart, the wagon or something else? What would seem to be the difference?

And the difference in the machine gun. In "Maxim". If someone does not know, the wheels of the machine gun served the same purpose: roll it to the next position on the battlefield. A machine gun was transported exclusively disassembled. Machine separately, trunk separately, shield separately. The essence is not in mass, the essence in the axes of the machine gun, which were loosened by prolonged shaking, and the machine gun lost both accuracy and accuracy. Therefore, "Maxim" transported disassembled. Or tolerated.

The cart is an invention of German colonists, of whom there were many in the south of Russia at that time. Makhno, who was thoroughly a dragon of the Germans, with his light-headed peasant realized that the crew on springs (the Germans loved comfort) with a very soft stroke — that was necessary. But Makhno didn’t just put the machine gun on the cart. Tachanka - a fairly large crew, designed for long journeys through the vast expanses of Russia. So Nestor Ivanovich harness two more pristazhny horses to a pair of existing ones and put another 2-4 infantrymen on the carriage to the machine-gunners.

On the way out what? Highly mobile combat group, with pretty good firepower. Horse rifle squad, the forerunner, if you will, of modern motorized rifle. Machine gun plus manual weapon plus the ability to quickly move a considerable distance.



What they did to Denikin's cavalry under the Gulyai-Pole 100 Makhno machine-gun carts, I think, is not worth telling. And Nestor Ivanovich did not stop there. He also had artillery cart, with light field three-inches. Quartet horses quite a pulling a cannon, the calculation and three dozen shells. For one fight is enough.

In the equestrian regiment of the Red Army of that time (by analogy with the cavalry regiment during the First World War), the sabers were equipped with 1 (two) machine guns on the 000 2. Budyonny increased the number of machine guns to 20-ti, following the example of Makhno, putting them on the cart. Plus artbatareya.

Thus, the First Cavalry struck its opponents not only due to dashing saber attacks, but also with quite normal fire of guns and machine guns. This is what the soldiers of Piłsudski have quite realistically verified in 1920.



By the way, about the Soviet-Polish war.

Many "historians" met such an interesting interpretation of events. Say, poor Tukhachevsky precisely because of losing the whole war with a bang, because he did not wait for help from Budyonny. Here, too, need to say a few words.

In the northern sector (Western Front), Tukhachevsky had at his disposal "only" two armies: the 15-I Cork and the 16-I Sollogub. 66,4 thousands of infantry and 4.4 thousands of cavalry. Plus artillery, armored trains and other pleasures. 60,1 thousands of infantry and 7 thousands of Polish cavalry fought against them.

For comparison: the southern sector (South-Western Front) was occupied by Egorov, with the 12-th army of Mezheninov and the 14-th army of Uborevich. 13,4 thousands of infantrymen and 2,3 thousands of cavalry against 30,4 thousands of Polish infantry and 5 thousands of cavalry. And about 15 thousand soldiers of Petlyura. Plus, Makhno had finally moved out of the coils.

While Tukhachevsky was engaged in his dubious experiments from Minsk, carrying out "ram attacks by infantry masses," the Poles defeated the 8 Army in June to 15. Losses amounted to more than 12 thousand people.

What at the time did Budyonny, who was so blamed for defeat? And here is what.

The First Cavalry Army (16,7 thousand sabers, 48 guns) left Maykop on April 3, defeated the troops of Nestor Makhno in Gulyaypole and on May 6 crossed the Dnieper north of Yekaterinoslav.

On May 26, after the concentration of all units in Uman, the First Cavalry attacked Kazatin, and on June 5 Budyonny, feeling for a weak spot in the Polish defense, broke through the front under Samogorodkom and went to the rear of the Polish units, advancing on Berdichev and Zhytomyr.

10 June 3-I Polish Army Rydz-Smigly, fearing the environment, left Kiev and moved to the region of Mazovia. 12 June First Cavalry Army entered Kiev. The Polish troops, having regrouped, tried to launch a counterattack. On July 1, General Berbetsky’s troops attacked the front of the 1 Cavalry Army near Rivne. Berbetsky was broken. Polish troops made several more attempts to seize the city, but on July 10 it finally came under the control of the Red Army.

Meanwhile, Tukhachevsky, adding to the existing troops more 3-th cavalcarpus of Guy, 3-th army of Lazarevich, 4-th army of Shuvaev and Mozyr group of Tikhvin, launched an offensive on Warsaw.

The number of groups of Tukhachevsky can not be accurately determined, as well as the number of Polish troops. Historians differ greatly in numbers, but it can be said that the forces were approximately equal and did not exceed 200 thousands on each side.

The genius of Tukhachevsky's crawling bore fruit: he gathered against himself a huge grouping, which he actually pushed back to Warsaw, instead of beating it piece by piece, as Budyonny did with his bypass maneuvers and surroundings.

16 August Tukhachevsky began to beat. And eventually broke. That, in general, was not difficult for Pilsudski (with the help of French specialists).

For the sake of saving the situation, the commander in chief Kamenev ordered the advance of the First Cavalry and the 12 Army from Lvov to help the troops of Tukhachevsky.

20 August 1-I Cavalry Army began to move north. March at a distance of about 450 kilometers. By the time the troops began to speak, the troops of the Western Front had already begun an unorganized retreat to the east. 19 August Poles occupied Brest, 23 August - Bialystok. Between 22 and 26 August, the 4 Army, the 3 Cavalry Corps Guy, and two divisions from the 15 Army (about 40 thousand people in total) crossed the German border and were interned.

At the end of August, through Sokal, the army of Budyonny struck in the direction of Zamoć and Hrubieszów, in order to go through the Lüblin to the rear of the Polish attack force advancing to the north. However, the Poles advanced towards the First Mounted Reserve of the General Staff.

Budyonny's army, and behind it the troops of the South-Western Front, were forced to retreat from Lvov and go on the defensive.

It is possible to criticize Budyonny much and persistently, but here only figures and facts.

Firstly, the number of the Cavalry Army in 16, thousands of bayonets and sabers, is its strength by the beginning of the campaign, but after the Ukrainian march and heavy Lviv battles, its strength has more than halved.

Secondly, when the First Cavalry was thrown into a raid on Zamost in order to alleviate the position of the armies of the Western Front, there she was confronted by more than one Polish division. In the Zamoостьi area, the Poles had time to regroup, and in addition to units of the 3 of the Polish Army, 10 and 13 infantry, 1 Cavalry, 2 I Ukrainian, 2 Cossack Division and Rummel Division were found there.

What and how 6-7 of thousands of Budennovsk residents could have alleviated the fate of a broken front is not clear to me personally. By Budyonny, at least on the part of the Commander-in-Chief of the Red Army Kamenev, there were no complaints.

Moreover, in September the genius of Tukhachevsky in the battles for Grodno finally brought the Western Front to its knees. The Poles entered Minsk, and in March 1921 of the year a humiliating Riga Treaty was signed, according to which the RSFSR lost not only Western Belarus and Western Ukraine, but also part of the original Russian territories.

Here are just Budyonny do with it?

The mediocre command of Tukhachevsky cost the Red Army in terrible numbers: about 90 thousands of dead and 157 thousands of prisoners, of whom about 60 thousands died in captivity. Are you surprised by Budenny’s resolution on Tukhachevsky’s verdict to "shoot the bastard"? I am personally not surprised.

"The horse will still show itself." Another myth from the pre-war time from lovers to lick at strangers and spit in their own. Say, Budyonny and Voroshilov were categorical opponents of the Tukhachevsky doctrine on the mechanization of the Red Army and in every way harmed and hampered this process.

Here are just numbers about thousands "in spite of" issued tanks say the opposite. As well as the figures on the reduction of the cavalry so beloved by Budyonny. Of the 1938 cavalry divisions and 32 corps departments available in the USSR by 7, 13 cavalry divisions and 4 corps remained by the beginning of the war. And in 1941, the urgent formation of new cavalry corps began.

I managed to find the right quote from Budyonny about his vision of cavalry. It does not sound like it is mainly offered to us:

"What is meant by strategic cavalry? Large cavalry connections reinforced by mechanical and aviationoperating in operational cooperation with the front armies, independent aviation, airborne assault forces. Such connections are operational means of front-line value. "

The prototype of the modern motorized infantry, if you want. Well, then there was still no armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles. But the idea is not from the "fool with his sword bald."


[center] Checker, yes, but behind the back something Tokarevskaya self-charging ...




In the first period of the Great Patriotic War, Budyonny did not command the fronts on the point of impact, this is a fact. Although his short command of the South-West direction could be called successful, if not for the events near Kiev.

Budennyi knowingly Stalin put in this direction. Semyon Mikhailovich was well aware of these places, he fought there. And he foresaw the catastrophe near Kiev, and insisted on withdrawing the troops. If the Bid directive had been implemented, there would have been no such defeat. But the traitor Kirponos assured Stalin that "everything is in order, we will not surrender Kiev." As a result, Budyonny was removed from his post, Tymoshenko was appointed in his place, Kirponos abandoned the troops, committing a betrayal, which we will discuss later, Kiev surrendered, and the South-Western Front rolled far to the south.

Opinion of Colonel-General A. P. Pokrovsky, who was then Chief of Staff of the South-West Direction:

“Budyonny is a very peculiar person. This is a real nugget, a person with a people's mind, with common sense. He had the ability to quickly grasp the situation. He did not propose solutions, he did not understand the situation in such a way as to propose a solution, but when he was told He offered various solutions, a program, one or another action, first, he quickly grasped the situation and, second, he usually supported the most rational decisions, and he did it with sufficient determination.

In particular, we must pay tribute to him that when the situation prevailing in the Kiev bag was reported to him, and when he understood it, he appreciated it, the proposal that was made to him by the headquarters in order to put the question before the Bid on withdrawal from the Kiev bag he received immediately and wrote the appropriate telegram to Stalin. He did it decisively, although the consequences of such an act could be dangerous and terrible for him.

So it happened! It was for this telegram that he was withdrawn from the commander of the South-Western direction, and Tymoshenko was appointed instead of him. "

Where is the "fool with a sword"? If Pokrovsky were a close man, it would be clear. But from 1943 to Victory below the post of chief of staff of the front did not fall. And from 1953 to 1961, the year was head of the Military Scientific Directorate of the General Staff.

In 1943, Budyonny was appointed head of the Red Army cavalry. What is behind this? Many say that an "honorary position" is a type for a retiree. And behind this are the 80 formed cavalry mechanized divisions. These divisions saw both Budapest, and Prague, and Berlin.

In 1943, at the initiative of Budyonny, the Moscow Zoo-Technical Institute of Horse Breeding was recreated from the ashes, which continued to train specialists in this field. Surprisingly, the institution exists today. This is Izhevsk Agricultural University.

In the fact that Budyonny did not occupy significant positions, many “historians” see just the proof of his nearness and other unflattering things. “Budyonny was a good tactician, but a worthless strategist! He did not understand that the essence of the war had changed!” and stuff like that.

Excuse me, did not Budyonny solve strategic problems in 1920, driving two Polish fronts across Ukraine and Belarus at once? The winner of Pilsudski did not write about Budyonny, "If it were not for the First Equestrian Budyonny in our rear, success would have been more significant"?

Budyonny could easily solve strategic problems. And solved them successfully. And the vision of the new war he had exactly the way it actually came out. And the warhorse said his word, oddly enough. But not as a member of a cavalry attack, but as a means of delivering a fighter to the line of attack.

Generals Belov, Dovator, Pliev, Kryukov, Baranov, Kirichenko, Kamkov, Golovskaya and their comrades forged the Victory on a par with the infantry and tank crews. And successfully forged.

On the example of the composition of 4 Guards Kuban Order of Lenin of the Red Banner Order of Suvorov and Kutuzov of the Cossack Cavalry Corps under the command of Issa Alexandrovich Pliev. On October 1 1943, the body looked like this:

9-I Guards Kuban Cossack Cavalry Division
10-I Guards Kuban Cossack Cavalry Division
30 Cavalry Division
1815 th self-propelled artillery regiment
152 Guards anti-tank artillery regiment
12 Guards mortar regiment of jet mortars
255 zenith artillery regiment
4 Guards anti-tank division
68 Guards Mortar Division
27 Guards separate communications division.

And as necessary, the corps was attached to both tanks and aircraft. And the corps passed from Maykop to Prague. Participated in the Battle of the Caucasus, Armaviro-Maikop defensive, North-Caucasian, Rostov, Donbass, Melitopol, Bereznegovato-Snigiryovskoy, Odessa, Belarus, Bobruisk, Minsk, Lublin-Brest, Debrecen, Budapest, Bratislava-Brnov, and the costumes of mash

That's the "little fool with a sword" ...

With all this, Semyon Mikhailovich was neither a careerist nor an amateur of awards. Of all the marshals who took part in the Great Patriotic War, only Voroshilov, Budyonny and Tolbukhin did not become Heroes of the Soviet Union. Why is another question, but a fact. Stalin knew better who and what to do with the Heroes.



And in the 1943 year, when Budyonny was appointed head of the Red Army cavalry, he turned 60 years ... It is logical that the younger ones were commanding the fronts and armies. Many will say that the same Zhukov and Rokossovsky were not much younger. But Budyonny, not occupying high positions, did not get up across the road to anyone and did not walk down anyone. And the same Zhukov and Rokossovsky something each Semyon Mikhailovich obliged.


For the St. George awards Budenny had a separate jacket


Actually, everything. Someone, if he wants, can see in Budyonny the closest shy-harmonica. Yes, he knew how to play accordion, and yes, Stalin loved to listen. Budyonny even recorded a record in the 50's record, “The Duet of the Bayanists,” where Semen Mikhailovich himself played the harmonica part of the German system, and the bayan player, the famous Rostov accordionist Grigory Zaitsev. He knew four languages ​​quite well: German, French, Turkish and English.

And who does not want, he can see a slightly different image. Brave soldier, intelligent commander, a man who did everything that was in his power for the country in those difficult years. To each his own.
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  1. +18
    18 August 2016 07: 06
    True HERO SEMEN MIKHAILOVICH WOUNDED. There is something epic in such warriors. The gratitude of descendants and the hatred of enemies is a worthy reward for a HERO.
  2. +24
    18 August 2016 07: 07
    Sensible commander ... This is far from a complete definition of this man!
    I happened to visit the house where S.M. Budenny lived. Those who wish can also (house-museum) ...
    I was jealous of his library: thousands of books! On a variety of topics and from different areas of knowledge ... They are not allowed to touch, of course, but - there are open volumes, with a huge number of marks in the margins! and it is written in the explanatory plates - this is in all books !!! he leafed through them all at least; and, focusing, even superficially, on his character - read everything, and carefully - studied, well! ... And he - Budyonny, it seems from peasants, from peasants ... Self-education is a great thing! A man who made himself ... That time gave birth to many similar people - and with a + sign, and "minuses" ... Makhno, Savinkov, Mamont-Dalsky, Antonov, Tukhachevsky ... "Pluses", apparently, are few. .. and here is Budyonny! An unconditional and outstanding "plus"!
    ... taking into account his dislike for "protruding" himself and his merits - an outstanding personality! After visiting the house-museum, I became interested in him, and, of course, I was amazed at the scale of this personality ...
    1. +6
      18 August 2016 18: 28
      "The ataman dogs remember,
      remember the polish pans
      our cavalry blades ... "
  3. +21
    18 August 2016 07: 09
    Be that as it may, the man is legendary! And to the scribblers, in order to raise themselves, sometimes it seems that it is necessary to sink another. And the brighter the personality, the more willing to succeed in this.
    1. +4
      18 August 2016 19: 02
      This unscrupulous schobla scribblers pestered the glorious marshal since the times of the so-called "thaw" (whatever you go ... from invented this term). The phrase that "... the horse will still show itself ..., ... it's too early to write them off ...", Semyon Mikhailovich was accused of not understanding modern warfare, replacing the motorization of the army ... And so on ...
      But it turned out that? That these words were taken out of the context of the marshal’s speech at the congress of horse breeding, where the marshal advocated breeding new horse breeds for the national economy ...
      1. +6
        18 August 2016 21: 14
        Budyonny was a great commander, especially he proved himself in the initial period of the Great Patriotic War. Wherever he is, our troops have achieved tremendous success. And only because of envious people he was removed from command. Glory to the great commander !!! Glory to our party, which raised such people !!! Give me a lot of advantages, because I am for the Communist Party.
    2. +20
      22 November 2020 02: 20
      Quote: 505506
      Be that as it may, a legendary man!

      Not just Legendary, but also honest and principled. He never belittled anyone and was not proud of his position. Truly he was a Great Person!
  4. +10
    18 August 2016 07: 10
    Favorite book in childhood - memoirs of Budyonny!
  5. +9
    18 August 2016 07: 29
    We burst into one Jewish village ... Checkers naked ... Are you yourself who will be of nationality?
    - (Frightened) Jew, Comrade Budyonny.
    - Jew? Well, I'll tell you another story ...
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  7. +8
    18 August 2016 07: 48
    A competent Brave Officer who listened to the opinions of others, the Patriot of his homeland - Russia, later the USSR. Everlasting memory. Such People must not be forgotten ....
    1. +21
      22 November 2020 02: 21
      Quote: Pitot
      Such people should not be forgotten

      No matter how modern alternatives rewrite history, they will not be able to smear the name of Budyonny and erase it from the memory of the people!
  8. +21
    18 August 2016 07: 50
    S.M.Budenny and Basmachey drove .. yes so that his name is still remembered ..But the traitor Kirponos assured Stalin that "everything is in order, we will not surrender Kiev."... But what about NS Khrushchev, a member of the Military Council of the South-Western Front .. not a traitor ..? .. He, too .. Stalin assured .. that Kiev will not surrender .. As during the Kharkov offensive operation .. yes everything is fine. .excellent..heading..Fears of the General Staff? Yes, nothing ... Whatever they write about S.M. Budyonny, legendary marshal ... In our town, miraculously, the house was preserved where the headquarters of the North Caucasian Front was located, which he commanded from May to August, 1942 Our town was completely destroyed, several buildings survived ... And how many "Budennovists" fought on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War, commanded corps, armies, fronts ..
    1. +8
      18 August 2016 08: 13
      Budyonny was twice slandered for the war near Kiev, when Kirponos and Baghramyan drove the army into the sack, and in Crimea, when Oktyabrsky and Petrov fled from Sevastopol, cowardly dropping the troops, and then screaming that they saved the fleet and valuable cadres of political workers. Budyonny and Kulik.
      1. -1
        18 August 2016 08: 39
        Quote: kara61
        Budyonny was twice slandered for the war near Kiev, when Kirponos and Baghramyan drove the army into a sack

        What are you grinding? Which bag?
        1. +2
          18 August 2016 09: 06
          Yes, Green Brahma, have you read anything?
        2. 0
          18 August 2016 10: 37
          Quote: Leto
          What are you grinding? Which bag?

          You probably meant "boiler" / 1941 boilers /? Do not confuse with another hypostasis of this word (clock!).
      2. +5
        18 August 2016 09: 30
        kara61 ..Special for you: The Crimean Front Formed on January 28, 1942 by dividing the Caucasian Front and including the armies that were on the Kerch and Taman Peninsulas, as well as in the Krasnodar region, as well as other forces were operatively subordinated. The Crimean Front was tasked to help troops of the Sevastopol defense region, strike at Karasubazar (Belogorsk) and create a threat to the rear of the enemy troops blocking Sevastopol. During the period from February 27 to April 13, 1942, the troops of the Crimean Front went on the offensive three times, but did not achieve significant results. After a slight advance, they were forced to go on the defensive.
        Since April 21, 1942, the Crimean Front became part of the North Caucasian forces. The Black Sea Fleet, the Azov Military Flotilla, the Sevastopol Defensive Region and the North Caucasian Military District were removed from the command of the front forces. On May 8, the 11th German army launched an offensive The Kerch Peninsula and on May 16 took possession of Kerch. The troops of the Crimean Front were forced to evacuate to the Taman Peninsula. Some formations could not leave the Crimea, occupied the Adzhimushkay quarries and, until the end of October 1942, fought the enemy without supplies of food, water, medicine, weapons and ammunition. On May 19, 1942 the Crimean Front was disbanded, and its troops were transferred to the North Caucasian Front From May 1942 to August, SKF was commanded by S.M. Budyonny .. The Crimean Front was commanded and led by: Commander: Lieutenant General D.T. Kozlov-the whole period, Member of the Military Council: divisional commissioner F.A. Shamanin-all period, Chiefs of Staff: Major General F.I. Tolbukhin - January - March 1942, Major General P.P. Eternal-March - May 1942. Representative of the Headquarters of the Supreme High Command on the Crimean Front Mehlis L.Z.And in the defeat they accused Budyonny and Kulik...In the elderberry garden, in Kiev uncle ..
    2. +6
      18 August 2016 08: 15
      Quote: parusnik
      S.M.Budenny and Basmachey drove ... yes so that his name is still remembered.

      Imagine "twisting the mustache" and a representative of the "titular nations" of the now non-Western Central Asian republics will perceive this as an insult (well, these are only those who remember and understand). Basmachi pressed hard!
    3. -7
      18 August 2016 08: 38
      Quote: parusnik
      But the traitor Kirponos assured Stalin that "everything is in order, Kiev will not surrender" .... But what about NS Khrushchev, a member of the Military Council of the South-Western Front .. not a traitor ..? .. He, too .. Stalin assured .. that Kiev we will not hand over ..

      And what is betrayal? Kiev was defended by a huge group, in Kiev all the rear of the South-West front, food, fuel, ammunition, from the west, Kiev is protected by the Dnieper and fortified areas, why was Kiev left? Available forces and means were quite enough for defense and for breaking through the environment. Kirponos did not assume that hundreds of thousands of Red Army soldiers would abandon their weapons and surrender, and Budyonny apparently understood this and therefore considered it necessary to leave Kiev.
      1. +3
        18 August 2016 10: 40
        Quote: Leto
        Kiev was defended by a huge group

        In Stalingrad, too, by the way was not a small group led by Paulus.
        1. 0
          18 August 2016 12: 58
          Quote: V.ic
          In Stalingrad, too, by the way was not a small group led by Paulus.

          What analogy do you want to draw?
          In the Stalingrad boiler, one 6th army resisted for two and a half months.
          In the Kiev boiler 5,21,26 and the 37th army resisted ... 11 days.
          Despite the fact that the people around did not lack ammunition and food, and it was not a fierce winter, but a warm autumn.
      2. +2
        18 August 2016 11: 38
        Quote: Leto
        And what is betrayal? Kiev was defended by a huge group, in Kiev all the rear of the South-West front, food, fuel, ammunition, from the west, Kiev is protected by the Dnieper and fortified areas, why was Kiev left? Available forces and means were quite enough for defense and for breaking through the environment

        It would be enough if the SWF had at least some kind of mechanical connection. But in reality he had a little cavalry and tanks - and a sea of ​​infantry.
        And to fight the Soviet infantry model 1941 in a maneuver war is almost impossible. In terms of maneuverability, it is even inferior to the German infantry - which was shown by the withdrawal 5A, when the Germans, with combined mobile groups using infantry equipment, regularly outran the retreating Soviet formations, captured crossings and squeezed ours to the rivers.
        Actually, in front of the Kiev boiler, in correspondence between the Southwest Front and General Staff of the Red Army, it was admitted that the South Front has got into zugzwang: you can’t sit on the defensive - parts will fall into the boiler, but you can’t leave too - they will cut, push them and break them into pieces on the march.
        1. -4
          18 August 2016 13: 28
          Quote: Alexey RA
          And to fight the Soviet infantry model 1941 in a maneuver war is almost impossible.

          What are you based on? On personal feelings?
          Well, let's say the lack of tanks did not allow how to express a maneuver war, but what prevented the defense? There was enough artillery, ammunition too, there was aviation. In worse conditions, the Germans with Hungarians for more than three months Budapest defended in complete encirclement, Breslau from February 1945. stormed until the war ended.
          1. +4
            18 August 2016 13: 48
            Quote: Leto
            What are you based on? On personal feelings?

            On the experience of military operations in 1941. Moreover, it is on the site of the Southwest Front:
            The operation of withdrawal from the front is not a simple thing, but a very complex and delicate matter. In addition to the fact that any withdrawal reduces to some extent the combat effectiveness of units, in this war, when retreating, the enemy wedges itself between the retreating units with their mechanized groups and forces the infantry units to accept combat in unfavorable conditions, namely, when artillery is on wheels, and not in a fighting position . We saw this as an example of the withdrawal of the 5th Army beyond the Dnieper and the crossing of the enemy at Okuninovo, and, finally, the withdrawal of the entire Southern Front beyond the Dnieper.
            © Shaposhnikov
            Quote: Leto
            Well, let's say the lack of tanks did not allow how to express a maneuver war, but what prevented the defense? There was enough artillery, ammunition too, there was aviation. In worse conditions, the Germans with Hungarians for more than three months Budapest defended in complete encirclement, Breslau from February 1945. stormed until the war ended.

            Where to defend? In Kiev?
            And what's the point of defending Kiev if the Germans are already deep behind - Sumy, Poltava, Dnepropetrovsk? There will be another defense of Mogilev, when the Germans, having constrained the defending forces with multiple smaller forces of motorized units, calmly drove further to Smolensk - and then the infantry came and finished off the encirclement.
            In the case of Kiev, the Germans will simply block our units near Kiev with the infantry forces next to it. They don’t even have to storm it - just wait until the food runs out in the city.
          2. 0
            18 August 2016 20: 13
            Quote: Leto
            Breslau since February 1945 stormed until the war ended.

            Breslau (now Polish Wroclaw) was not in the first place on the main direction of the Red Army’s strike during the Upper Silesian operation on February 17-19, 1945, our advanced units simply bypassed it and on April 1 took another German fortress Glogau (now Polish Glogow) located 90 km VVN from Breslau. Moreover, the defense of Breslau was prepared for almost a month from January 15 to February 17, 1945. The Germans blew up all the bridges in the offensive zone of our troops. Have you ever tried to cross a river with ice water? The Oder and its left tributary, Beaver, are very deep. So don't put a shadow on the wattle fence, mister! In those places I served from 1986 to 1989. He often went to Legnica on service, traveling 4 times in Glogow, and by the way, he was in Wroclaw once, so I speak almost like a witness. But you were NOT there!
    4. avt
      +4
      18 August 2016 09: 03
      Quote: parusnik
      S.M.Budenny and Basmachey drove ... yes so that his name is still remembered.

      bully It was a deal! By the way - it’s a pity that Roman did not write about the fact that Budyonny actually graduated from the academy in reality, but the congenial Marshal Misha did not. Somehow I considered something to be lower than merit. Again, the fact of the confiscation of horses by hundreds of thousands of carts and the use of infantry to increase mobility IMMEDIATELY in the 1941th Wehrmacht would also be in place.
    5. +3
      18 August 2016 18: 29
      Quote: parusnik
      S.M. Budenny and basmachey drove .. yes so that his name is still remembered


      Semen Mikhailovich Basmachi in Central Asia did not drive. Basmachey drove them, basmachey, fellow countryman Mikhail Vasilyevich Frunze. Common people, workers, in Central Asia and Kazakhstan MV Frunze is now remembered and respected now.Although the authorities destroyed the monuments, streets, squares to them. Frunze renamed.
      1. +1
        18 August 2016 20: 57
        Dear Ivan Tartugay, Budkenny drove Basmachs. 4 and 6 cavalry divisions took part in the elimination of Basmachism in the territory of modern Turkmenistan. I know for sure, my grandfather was awarded the Order of the Red Banner for these deeds. I was an assistant to the squadron commander. I served in Turkvo, lived in Kizil-Arvat in an apartment with a Turkmen and he told how the Budennovites liquidated the Basmachi. His stories coincided in their meaning with the stories of my grandfather. Our cavalrymen, in the event of shelling from the villages and the death of the cavalrymen, cut down all adult men cleanly.
        1. 0
          19 August 2016 06: 34
          Quote: captain
          ... Budenny basmachey drove. 4th and 6th cavalry divisions took part in the elimination of Basmachi in the territory of modern Turkmenistan.


          It is possible that units from the 1st Cavalry Army participated in the elimination of Basmachism, but Semyon Mikhalych himself did not directly participate. Maybe he consulted by phone, maybe Mikhail Vasilievich and other red commanders advised how to fight in the waterless expanses of Central Asia and Kazakhstan, especially the Trans-Caspian region, but there is no mention of this in the literature.
          Maybe for the local population it was that every fighter in a Budennovka is a Budennovsky.
    6. +1
      18 August 2016 18: 48
      General Kirponos was never a traitor - he was a man dedicated to the cause of the party, and personally to Stalin. In 1939 he was the head of the infantry school, in February 1941 - he was the Commander of the Kiev district, he met the war with the front commander. What can I say here? What level he had - no. And not his fault - his unclean power, literally, carried him to such heights. Where could he climb, with his peasant thinking, to German tanks.
      All conspiracies seem.
      1. +3
        18 August 2016 20: 07
        Quote: bober1982
        What level he had - no. And not his fault - his unclean power, literally, carried him to such heights. Where could he climb, with his peasant thinking, to German tanks.


        Kirponos is a professional military man, in military service since 1915.
        He studied at the instructor courses under the king. Under Soviet rule, he graduated from the Military Academy. Frunze.
        He taught at military schools and schools. The educational level of Kirponos is very good.
        He served in command posts. He had combat experience in civilian command positions, and in the Soviet-Finnish war as a division commander. According to the reviews of his colleagues, he was characterized as a highly qualified, proactive, tireless military leader, general.
        Yes, and peasant thinking, is it bad.
        So easily, to such heights, namely the commander of the LWO, and then the commander of the KOVO, even the unclean power of simpletons does not bring. Kirponos deceived everyone and the Commissar of Defense Tymoshenko, and the chief of staff Zhukov, and the First Deputy Commissar of Defense Budyonny and many others from the Commissar of Defense. All of them gave the nod and promoted his appointment to such heights, none of them opposed.
        And with the outbreak of hostilities at Kirponos, all the qualities of a military leader suddenly disappeared. This happens only with traitors.
        1. +1
          18 August 2016 20: 31
          No need to fantasize...... According to the reviews of colleagues, it was characterized as highly qualified, proactive, tireless ..... Worthless all this.And with the outbreak of hostilities at Kirponos, all the qualities of a military leader suddenly disappeared.
          He never had these qualities (tireless and proactive).
          Catch all the traitors, it's time to calm down.
          1. 0
            18 August 2016 21: 06
            Quote: bober1982
            He never had these qualities (tireless and proactive).


            This is exactly what fantasy is. Especially "it was a dedicated party, and personally to Stalin man".
            The main result of the activities of Kirponos.
            To rise to such a height, Kirponos went through dozens of checks, received dozens of certifications, conducted dozens of interviews, and if "he never had these qualities (tireless and proactive)," then there would not have been such a promotion.
            You cover up all the traitors, it’s time to calm down, anyway the secret will become apparent. Already becomes.
            1. +1
              19 August 2016 05: 11
              In writing the denunciations, on his own comrades, he was initiative. Although you can’t blame him for that, he was required by party discipline. And you are talking about some kind of interviews. They passed in the basements of the NKVD.
              1. 0
                19 August 2016 06: 50
                Quote: bober1982
                In writing denunciations, on his own comrades, he was initiative.


                "... Party discipline", "In the basements of the NKVD ..." - this is already a cliché. And without reason, without proof. It's time to calm down.
                Kirponos was not repressed, was not convicted, was not arrested, was not involved.
                Kirponos was not an active member of the CPSU (b), he was a simple member of the CPSU (b), he was not a communist either, he just had a party membership card for a member of the CPSU (b), like many other members of the CPSU (b) -CPSU, for example, Yeltsin, Grachev, Yazov, Chubais , Sobchak, Khakamada, DAM, Serdyukov and numerous, and numerous others, now, and at that time.
      2. 0
        18 August 2016 20: 17
        Quote: bober1982
        All conspiracies seem.

        Then say your weighty word in defense of Comrade Tukhachevsky, Gamarnik, Yakir ...
        1. 0
          18 August 2016 20: 38
          Will there be real srach? Is it necessary on a festive evening? I personally congratulate you on Air Fleet Day!
          1. 0
            19 August 2016 06: 38
            Quote: bober1982
            I personally congratulate you on Air Fleet Day!

            Air Force = Wonderland. fellow
            Congratulations accepted! Thank! Health to you and your colleagues! good
            1. 0
              19 August 2016 08: 33
              Zyczymy powdzenia! which in translation from Polish means - I wish you good luck!
  9. +5
    18 August 2016 07: 58
    Budyonny is an excellent grunt. Only Gorodovikov could compare with him in his own words. Article plus.
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  11. +5
    18 August 2016 08: 36
    I do not understand. About 10 minutes ago there were photos of traitors who crossed over to the Nazis, there was a comment. And voila, neither one nor the other. And how then to evaluate the work of administrators-moderators? By the way, about the same commented on this photo a bit later another forum member. Does it hurt my eyes? If you are checking articles, then check normally. And then later, on Victory Day, hefty posters for the Soviet Army appear on the streets that have absolutely nothing to do.
  12. +3
    18 August 2016 09: 13
    "Budyonny, without occupying high posts, did not get up across the road to anyone and did not sit on anyone."

    That's just the story with Dumenko is not entirely clear. Who was to blame for the removal and execution of Dumenko is not clear?
    1. +3
      18 August 2016 11: 00
      Quote: mamont5
      That's just the story with Dumenko is not entirely clear. Who was to blame for the removal and execution of Dumenko is not clear?

      "Cui prodest"?
      On the night of June 21-22, 1918, Admiral Alexei Mikhailovich Shchastny was "executed" for saving the Baltic Fleet.
      Boris Mokeevich Dumenko was shot in Rostov in May 1920, by the sentence of the Supreme Tribunal of the Red Army.
      And on April 2, 1921, Philip Kuzmich Mironov, during a walk, was shot dead by a sentry in the courtyard of Butyrka prison, without any trial or investigation.
      Three times guess what kind of bloody monster insisted on the death of these outstanding people.
      With the death of Nikolai Shchors and Vasily Chapaev, not everything is clean either! Remember the scene with dad Bozhenko after the murder of his relatives from the Shchors movie theater by the Chekists.
      1. -1
        18 August 2016 11: 23
        Quote: V.ic
        Quote: mamont5
        That's just the story with Dumenko is not entirely clear. Who was to blame for the removal and execution of Dumenko is not clear?

        "Cui prodest"?
        On the night of June 21-22, 1918, Admiral Alexei Mikhailovich Shchastny was "executed" for saving the Baltic Fleet.
        Boris Mokeevich Dumenko was shot in Rostov in May 1920, by the sentence of the Supreme Tribunal of the Red Army.
        And on April 2, 1921, Philip Kuzmich Mironov, during a walk, was shot dead by a sentry in the courtyard of Butyrka prison, without any trial or investigation.
        Three times guess what kind of bloody monster insisted on the death of these outstanding people.
        With the death of Nikolai Shchors and Vasily Chapaev, not everything is clean either! Remember the scene with dad Bozhenko after the murder of his relatives from the Shchors movie theater by the Chekists.




        Who is this villain voice!
        1. +3
          18 August 2016 19: 40
          Quote: Donhapa
          Who is this villain voice!

          Do you collect files? If it’s me, then it’s useless! Three times was not enough? And about the voice acting, so please!
    2. +2
      18 August 2016 18: 08
      That's just the story with Dumenko is not entirely clear. Who was to blame for the removal and execution of Dumenko is not clear?
      I think we will never know the present situation. The time was very difficult, sometimes contradictory, even for contemporaries to figure out "who is right - who is wrong." For example, it is little mentioned that Budyonny fought bravely already in the Russo-Japanese War and captured languages ​​and other trophies in the enemy's rear as part of the 26th Cossack Regiment, although he was not a Cossack himself and did not like Cossacks (and he had a reason weighty). But then he created the Red Cossack units in the Red Army ?! In general, during his lifetime he did not tell, but now we can only guess (I'm talking about Dumenko)
  13. +1
    18 August 2016 09: 46
    Give now about Voroshilov? For example, as the first boiler was almost organized by the Germans ...
  14. +2
    18 August 2016 09: 48
    I am very glad to tell you about my beloved Hero! Thank you very much!
  15. +1
    18 August 2016 10: 15
    Article (+), I learned a lot of interesting things, but ... A colored portrait with a mirrored, "woman's" smell, the order is not in place. In GUGL there is a lot with a narmal image. Fix it.
  16. +3
    18 August 2016 13: 08
    when he didn’t consider Tukhachevsky at least something outstanding, except he didn’t do anything to drive peasants, and under the tambov he had to resort to the use of omp to drive peasants, plus, moreover, before the war, he almost ruined the entire artillery, offering go from classical systems to reactive and recoilless installations completely, I think that this freak was spanked correctly, and he was no theoretician
    1. 0
      10 January 2017 20: 12
      Tukhachevsky deserved his fate in the number of lives of the Red Army soldiers ruined. I remember at that time. as he was previously declared the main victim of Stalinist terror. And a big supporter of promising rocket artillery. Maybe this is so, but why the shortsightedness of military operations and such victims?
  17. 0
    18 August 2016 16: 48
    not only Mamontov, but Mamantov
  18. +1
    18 August 2016 18: 35
    Many thanks to the author for the article. Finally, Truth begins to make its way.
  19. +4
    18 August 2016 19: 23
    Quote from the article:
    Of all the marshals who took part in the Great Patriotic War, only Voroshilov, Budyonny and Tolbukhin did not become Heroes of the Soviet Union. Why is another question, but a fact. Stalin knew better who and what to do Heroes for.


    But Voroshilov and Budyonny later received two stars from Khrushchev, and then one more each from Brezhnev.
    And as a result, Voroshilov became twice Hero of the Soviet Union and Hero of Socialist Labor, and Budyonny three times Hero of the Soviet Union.
    For some reason, four Zhukov's Stars are often mentioned in the literature, but they hardly write about three Voroshilov's Stars and three Budyonny's Stars. And even in this article they wrote about Budyonny's awards, but somehow strangely they "forgotten" about the Stars of the GSS.
  20. 0
    19 August 2016 18: 25
    Quote from the article:
    And in 1943, when Budenny was appointed head of the Red Army cavalry, he was 60 years old... It is logical that the fronts and armies were commanded by younger ones. Many will say that the same Zhukov and Rokossovsky were not very much younger.


    60 years for Semen Mikhailovich is not a problem. He had just married for the third time, in 1937, at 54, his third child, Mikhail, had not yet been born. Until 1973, the year of his death, another thirty years of life. Those same much younger front commanders died. So Rokossovsky KK died in 1968 at the age of 72 years. Marshal Tolbukhin FI mentioned in the article died even earlier in 1949 at the age of 53.
    After 60 years, Semyon Mikhailovich not only existed, but lived a full life. He rode almost until his death.
    The fronts were not commanded not because of age, not because of a lack of health and not because of a lack of intelligence, knowledge. And there was some other reason.
  21. 0
    10 January 2017 20: 07
    And which star hangs at Budenny in the last photo? Like the Hero of the Soviet Union or Social Labor? And the text says that Stalin passed him such an award.
    1. +22
      22 November 2020 02: 22
      Quote: kuz363
      And what star is hanging by Budyonny in the last photo?

      Budyonny Three times Hero of the USSR. Awarded in 1958, 1963, 1968 with the wording:
      "For outstanding services in the creation of the Armed Forces of the USSR and the defense of the Soviet state from the enemies of our Motherland and heroism shown at the same time" by the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of February 1, 1958 Marshal of the Soviet Union Semyon Mikhailovich Budyonny was awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union with the award of the Order of Lenin and medals "Gold Star".
      "For outstanding services in the creation of the Armed Forces of the USSR and the protection of the Soviet state from the enemies of our Motherland and in connection with the eightieth birthday" by the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of April 24, 1963 Marshal of the Soviet Union Semyon Mikhailovich Budyonny was awarded the second Gold Star medal ...
      "For outstanding services in the creation of the Armed Forces of the USSR, courage and courage shown in the battles to defend the Soviet state and in connection with the fiftieth anniversary of the Soviet Army and Navy" Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR dated February 22, 1968 to Marshal of the Soviet Union Semyon Mikhailovich Budyonny was awarded the title three times Hero of the Soviet Union with the presentation of the third Gold Star medal.
  22. +22
    22 November 2020 02: 20
    In 1934, an assignment was issued to develop a new steel helmet. The sample submitted to the military leadership was personally tested by Marshal Budyonny, chopping off the helmet with a saber. On his own initiative, the SSH-36 helmet, adopted as a result, received wide lateral fields designed to protect the shoulders of a fighter from a chopping blow from top to bottom (the fields were supposed to deflect the blade from the shoulder)

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