When will the white thread in Donetsk, or Congratulations with Peremoga!

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In the first lines of our material we hasten to congratulate the DPR MGB with another victory. With the capture and detention of the Ukrainian saboteur. Next. Only he was detained not in the Crimea, but in Donetsk. Detained by the valiant staff of the Ministry of State Security of the DPR.

It would seem that all is well. The enemy must be identified and destroyed. This is an axiom of war. Or you him, or he you. Only here the key word here is the enemy! For the enemies of the staff even the order laid. Piece test. As one of the movie characters said, "the more we surrender, the ... better!"

When will the white thread in Donetsk, or Congratulations with Peremoga!


And if the enemy is lime? If what is already known about this detention, doesn’t cause anything except a gag reflex to specialists? If business is sewn not just with white threads, but with snow-white ones? And it is difficult not to notice this even for a person who is not tempted in matters of “cloak and dagger”!

So, the Ministry of State Security of the DPR detained the accomplices of the SBU Evgeny Brazhnikov. Next, quote the message "Russian Spring":

"Brazhnikov was the Deputy Director for Security of the Donetsk Energy Plant. He had fake seals, documents and license plates, as well as a warehouse weapons. Not only cartridges were seized from Brazhnikov, but also grenade launchers, explosives and tank shells. "

"It is known that Brazhnikov remained in Donetsk during all the hostilities, but regularly traveled to the territory of Ukraine. According to available data, the SBU recruited him at the beginning of 2015 of the year."


And now, dear readers, a proficiency test in the knowledge of Ukraine and Ukrainians. What is missing in the message? What does the SBU necessarily find among the separatists? Do not be surprised that we mentioned the SBU. They are also participants in the events. It seems that their man is detained.

Those who made "round eyes" with the words "really a banner?", Were absolutely right. SBU varies flags DNI, LC, St. George ribbons. The choice of the MGB is simpler. Ukrainian flag? Not a clue. But the flag of the "Right Sector" is yes!

To continue reading it is necessary to watch the video material that was broadcast on our television. Channel "Russia 24". "In Donetsk, they detained a spy of the SBU." The channel can also be congratulated, good-quality material.



True, they say that the best is the enemy of the good. In Donetsk, which has been living in the war for the third year, all of this was stored in a fairly serious factory. Okay, weapons. Okay, ammo. But print? Do the authors even imagine what the front is? Or does the MGB ID machine automatically become a pass everywhere? And the SBU?

The state security service is not numerous enough. It makes no sense to keep a large staff. Just because the number of specialists does not go into quality. One good counterintelligence officer sometimes costs dozens of mediocre ones. Therefore, any military unit or subunit is well aware of "their" special forces. And the appearance of someone else will arouse suspicion in any soldier. Not to mention the officers.

For a long time, one of the authors was puzzled by the presence of forms and seals of the SBU. Why in Donetsk certificates of the SBU? That is, the MGB certificates can be somehow explained, but the SBU? Okay, well, let's say, with a certificate from the MGB, the green light is everywhere on this side of the front line, with the certificate of the SBU - for that one. Let us forget, however, about the checkpoints from the terbats, who wanted to sneeze on everything, and about the Cossacks, who are also far from being grasped with any piece of paper.

Saboteur - idiot? Theoretically it can be assumed. But according to a sober mind, for idiots hold us.

And what a great "set of young saboteurs" presented to us. The heart rejoices. For the ideal, there is not enough of an extract from the order of the SBU on the appointment of E. Brazhnikov as a resident in Donetsk. The guys from the MGB, you do a bad job. Anyone who has visited LDNR at least once in the past couple of years will laugh at your shoot for a long time.

From the point of view of a peaceful Russian who lives in conditions when everything is all on the drum, the plant is just a great place to hide anything. But for the Donetsk citizen, especially those working at any enterprise, the plant is a entrance yard, where nothing can be hidden.

Moreover, the long war formed a strong reflex in the Donetsk people. It is not clear - tell. Simply put, the agency in the MGB is large enough and well organized. And it is hard to believe that not a single policeman saw a basement hiding place. Or would not have heard the conversation about this caches. Or diligently looked away from the "left" in military uniform, something unloaded or unloaded in a secluded place.

Not alone we have broken our word. There is another journalist who just did not keep silent. This is Shary. We cannot attribute ourselves to his fans. Moreover, they believed and we believe that he is in many respects exactly the same pro-Ukrainian journalist as the others. But he is a journalist. Therefore, to further understand the essence of the article, look at its material.



We will not interpret the statements of Sharia. This is a matter of every reader. In the end, Shary did not draw any conclusions. Only input information. Just focus on one important piece of video. Namely, in an interview with Brazhnikov's parents.

It is clear that parents have parents. They will always protect their child. But their arguments are quite interesting. The main thing is the availability of permits for various weapons. No, the permit for weapons in the DPR is not a big problem for someone who was in the militia or at least a little fighting as part of any unit. Because more interested in permission from Ukraine.

Such permission was most often obtained by the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. So, after a simple comparison of the facts, we get a conclusion. Brazhnikov, a former employee of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine. Therefore, I went quietly to the territory of Ukraine from time to time. Therefore, he had a permit for a weapon, which, like many there dearly loved, and a disability, which would not surprise any of the former employees of law enforcement agencies. And what is the connection between security officers and criminals in the Donbass, is not worth talking about either.

The head of the plant’s security, a former worker of the special services of Ukraine, who is in direct contact with crime, has been quietly working in the DPR for more than 2 years, and suddenly a saboteur? This happens? It happens, but extremely rare. It is clear that all those who leave for the territory of Ukraine fall under the secret supervision of the MGB. A Brazhnikov traveled often.

Corporate communications at experts are strong enough. Yes, and communication in the criminal environment, too, does not disappear anywhere. Therefore, security structures are very often "from the former." And in this world there is a constant struggle for income distribution. Former friends become enemies, and former enemies become friends. And this circulation of connections never subsides. Business is business.

What is the conclusion that suggests?

That it is a saboteur is doubtful. Accomplice? Maybe. But the fact that this is a victim of the desire of security officers to earn a cross or a star on epaulets is quite likely. Although even a search at the factory, when there were no witnesses, and the factory staff sat for some hours almost locked up, it only says that it was possible to cram anything into a closet during that time. In the name of a noble goal.

And strong? It is possible that we have voiced a strong version a little higher. Another redistribution of spheres of influence. Nothing personal. Someone needed to remove a competitor. And this was done by the hands of the DPR MGB. In our opinion, the deputy security director of the plant was removed by the hands of the MGB. Who could well be a representative of another criminal clan. Could not be, because the crime in the Donbass was, is and will be, and what without the connection with the head of the security service?

The attitude of the KGB men towards the detainee works on the same version. During the day, you can make a "steak" out of a person who cannot walk on his own ... Agree, this tells a lot about the methods of investigators. And that today, after three weeks of interrogation, he will tell - only God and the investigator know. The first - because he knows everything in advance, and the second - because he himself “has interpreted” these words. But the fact that in three weeks it is possible to stumble the Egyptian mummy to such an extent that it confesses to the murder of Nemtsov — a fact that is immutable, and does not require much confirmation regarding Donbass.

We in no way want to say that these are the machinations of the MGB. But no, we want. The office is really necessary, especially in military conditions. But the likelihood of using state security to eliminate competitors in the "business" is very high. Or, alternatively, the presence in the state of the Ministry of State Security of people who are ready for a benefit or a trifle to go for everything.

Here, the episode near the garage and the quickly “wrung out” car serve as a good confirmation. As well as dozens of other equally ugly cases and affairs, which we wrote earlier, before the period of silence.

Honestly, the question of when the “white strings” will end in the DPR and at least some semblance of the law will begin, has interested us for more than a year. Why serious professionals allow such "bloopers" is simply incomprehensible to us.

Unless, of course, these are professionals ... And if there is at least some law ...
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  1. +5
    August 18 2016
    Yes, the circus .... Why go down to the level of the Yellow Press and the Current SBU .... So people will stop believing them ...
    1. +4
      August 18 2016
      And here is a new "hero" for the dill fighting with the Russian Federation, who managed to ESCAPE from the INSANE OKA of the FSB (from the Crimea, from house arrest. Well, it means that they were arrested for a reason!) He also composed a verse, a viper about his "heroic" act ...: am negative wassat am
      1. +8
        August 18 2016
        And here is a new "hero" for the dill fighting with the Russian Federation, who managed to ESCAPE from the INSANE OKA of the FSB


        inept translation of arrows, to the article no side
      2. 0
        August 18 2016
        And here is a new "hero" for the dill fighting with the Russian Federation, who managed to ESCAPE from the INSANE OKA of the FSB (from the Crimea, from house arrest. Well, it means that they were arrested for a reason!) He also composed a verse, a viper about his "heroic" act ...:
        -this hell also turned out to be a pedophile, here's the link, here is an operational video of his "feat": http: //vesti-ukr.com/krym/162489-delo-podozrevaemogo-v-pedof
        ilii-ilchenko-v-rasporjazhenii-vestej-okazalos-operativnoe-video
        - I can’t post the video itself, I won’t enter how to capture it from that player (((
    2. +26
      August 18 2016
      The children from the MGB and SBU graduated from the same school, so they work according to a similar scenario:"Stirlitz walked through Berlin ... And something elusive betrayed him as a Soviet spy ... Either the Budyonnovka, famously shifted to one side, or the parachute that dragged behind him throughout the city ..." laughing
      1. +4
        August 18 2016
        ... or accordion. laughing
      2. Riv
        +5
        August 18 2016
        ... in fact, it was not this that gave out the intelligence officer, but the label of the Red October factory on the inside of his pants.
    3. Riv
      +26
      August 18 2016
      In my opinion, this is the nonsense of the ukrosvidomo. The style is practical for the current Ruin: denial of obvious facts and coming up with absolutely fantastic explanations.
      1. +17
        August 18 2016
        The same feeling, dear Riv
        Calling Sharia a pro-Ukrainian journalist is a powerful move!
        In general, that opinion of Sharia in this matter is not strong and interests, since the matter is clear that the matter is dark.
        For the rest, it is not clear why the former SBUshnik cannot work for his former friends - buddies. Not a single acceptable argument.
        The only thing I would like to wish Donetsk GB to change the head of the press service to a more inventive
        1. +4
          August 18 2016
          Calling Sharia a pro-Ukrainian journalist is a powerful move!
          And didn’t you hear Shary’s own statements that he was, is and will be a patriot of Ukraine. That he will always advocate the preservation of independent Ukraine. If comrade Shary did not share something with the current Ukrainian authorities, this does not mean that he is a friend of Russia. Maybe a temporary companion, but not like a friend.
          1. +6
            August 18 2016
            If comrade Shary did not share something with the current Ukrainian authorities


            he fled from Ukraine long before the current government, after an investigation program on channel 1 + 1 (Kolomoisky, it seems) about the cops selling drugs, and he did the right thing.


            this does not mean that he is a friend of Russia
            but not an enemy, which is good, with his, Sharia, talent))
            1. 0
              August 18 2016
              he fled from Ukraine long before the current government, after an investigation program on channel 1 + 1 (Kolomoisky, it seems) about the cops selling drugs, and he did the right thing.

              Don't tell my slippers! You might think that Benya won't be able to get it now. And blame it on Giblets. Lord, why does every "writer" or "speaker" think that he is capable of changing the world ?!
          2. +1
            August 18 2016
            And didn’t you hear Shary’s own statements that he was, is and will be a patriot of Ukraine. That he will always advocate the preservation of independent Ukraine.
            But in fact, what's wrong with that? He does not propagate fascism in Ukraine, but expresses his point of view in his own country, in which his youth and growing up became (the USSR he remembers, at best, from his early childhood). I would be more wary if he broadcast differently.
          3. 0
            August 18 2016
            And didn’t you hear Shary’s own statements that he was, is and will be a patriot of Ukraine.

            It is nice to be a patriot at a distance ... Drink coffee in the Paris bar, criticize someone's schools, talk about a bright future, and like that - at a distance and in comfort wait for when this future happens. At the same time, doing nothing for this.

            And according to the article, yes - it's a dark matter. Everyone brings order to the entrusted territory as he can. Someone is raking the head of the plant’s security service, while someone is soaking journalists in the middle of Kiev in broad daylight. The authorities and special services should be afraid. It disciplines.
          4. +1
            August 19 2016
            And by what right do you forbid Sharia to be a patriot, to love his homeland? For example, I am a patriot of Russia. Are you perhaps a patriot of Kazakhstan? A normal person cannot be a patriot, or, at the same time, a patriot - is it abnormal?
    4. +5
      August 18 2016
      It is not necessary to trust Sharia indiscriminately.
      Well, they didn’t break the lock with a crowbar and now drag the gas cutter (remember Sharia - there’s a weapon there) or let's try the Bulgarian (it sparks pour in all directions), drill a long and absolutely right directional explosion, well, if something else starts tearing a possible mine or grenade on the lock, went away.
      The flag of the sector - yes, he used it once and showed it on the toilet in the internet, so why store it further .... Yes, the security forces themselves could throw this flag .... then there is no reception against the crowbar.
      So you can mess up any security officials with dirt and more.
      Could security officials toss stamps, certificates, car numbers - yes easily ....
      But the detainee could be involved in the SBU - yes he could. Let’s recall when they compromise the Brick .... The situation there is complicated ... Let them be very superficial judgments, but they should not be treated as truth in the last resort. In a republic surrounded by enemies, which did not close the iron curtain on the borders and which did not establish a totalitarian dictatorship inside, it is difficult with the machinations of the SBU.
      1. +2
        August 18 2016
        Quote: Ivan65
        The situation is complicated there.

        Really complicated. Look at the dude a lot of weapons. What for? Permission to trunks with optics? RILE? Security officials do not always give permission for pistols, and for everything else they do not give at all.
        It was great about "rent an apartment in Kiev." 12kg for an apartment? Well, such a sickly apartment should be. 2-3 rooms and not on the outskirts of the word at all.
        I feel nonsense. And the fact that Shariy was mistaken, I am not surprised. Whoever says anything, he is an opponent of the republics, at the same time he is an opponent of the current government in Kiev.
        1. 0
          August 18 2016
          There are many weapons .... Well, yes, with workers driven into the back room, without witnesses, this is not a weapon, it is called differently ..... It's sad ....
    5. -1
      August 18 2016
      Quote: Dart Weyder
      Yes, the circus .... Why go down to the level of the Yellow Press and the Current SBU .... So people will stop believing them ...



      Where Plotnitsky there will be different "miracles"
  2. +5
    August 18 2016
    Alexander, Roman, let's wait for information "from there" - maybe the special services know that it is better not to give out this "saboteur" to the media! Maybe this is a double agent who was mistakenly taken ... So far, there is just little information.
    1. +1
      August 18 2016
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      So far, just a little information.

      and the article has been "hanging" in 10 news for some time
  3. +3
    August 18 2016
    Interesting. At the beginning of these "showdowns" on the territory of the urine, someone from the site's viewers stated that everything would go according to plan and even swore that he knew a person who was taking care of the territories separated from the ruins. Time passed and in the end, we got something that cannot be described in any adventure novel. As the same Urin people say ... do not say gop until you jumped over the pit ...
  4. PKK
    +4
    August 18 2016
    Nobody has canceled the war between the parties, to our sorrow. Stiff centralization would be able to restore order, but it is not enough yet.
  5. +9
    August 18 2016
    Author Alexander Staver, Roman Skomorokhov

    I would not be so categorical in conclusions ...
    1. +4
      August 18 2016
      Quote: aszzz888
      Author Alexander Staver, Roman Skomorokhov

      I would not be so categorical in conclusions ...


      Agree
      I think such an article could have passed in general about special services ...
      But a concrete fact ... so investigate in the article ...
      Maybe it's time in journalism to apply the basic law of medicine: Do no harm!
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  6. +5
    August 18 2016
    Let us recall revolutionary Russia, how many rabble came to the Cheka and the police ... the people of Novorosiya have patience, grabbers to choke, crime go into civilized business, professionals to remain so ...
  7. +2
    August 18 2016
    The version about the redistribution of spheres of influence is unconvincing. Why should the security chief knit? It is necessary to knit the plant director and put his own.
    You do not understand anything in raider captures.
    1. +1
      August 18 2016
      So always change the guard first belay
      1. +3
        August 18 2016
        Quote: Evil543
        So always change the guard first

        No, first the director, and the new one, with his power, dismisses the old guards and other "unnecessary" employees.
        1. 0
          August 18 2016
          In short "he knew too much"
          1. 0
            August 18 2016
            Quote: Evil543
            In short "he knew too much"

            It may well be that they leaked the exclusive information to him, they saw that she went to Khokhlov - it means she must knit a client. But you need to knit for something specific, so they threw him all kinds of junk.
            Now they will tell him "look how much you have in total" and "well, you got it," and they will turn him on passwords and turnouts.
    2. -2
      August 18 2016
      I agree: if you change the director. As they say: "to beat the queen like that"
  8. +5
    August 18 2016
    There is an old Russian proverb: "A hat burns on a thief," and here it is. I would like to ask the author - Whom do we protect, what do we divide? There was a detention, not very harsh by the way, there were searches - all these are standard procedures and their binding with mutually exclusive versions of journalists is also standard. Friend, enemy, set-up, roof, ...? The specialists will figure it out without us, who the court calls, so it will be. The conclusions are not ours.
  9. +1
    August 18 2016
    Quote: mirag2
    And here is a new "hero" for the dill fighting with the Russian Federation, who managed to ESCAPE from the INSANE OKA of the FSB (from the Crimea, from house arrest. Well, it means that they were arrested for a reason!) He also composed a verse, a viper about his "heroic" act ...: am negative wassat am

    Cool video. It would be good to accompany it with verses; "Lads-banderohokhly. Drink more vodka, you eat more fat, so that the banderohokhla's ass gets more dry!"
    1. +1
      August 18 2016
      Yak od mene stink! You look on your face and understand that in a year he sat in chains!
      1. 0
        August 18 2016
        Quote: Monarchist
        Yak od mene stink! You look on your face and understand that in a year he sat in chains!



        Yeah ... Erysipelas immediately visible steam hut))
  10. +3
    August 18 2016
    Quote: mirag2
    And here is a new "hero" for the dill fighting with the Russian Federation, who managed to ESCAPE from the INSANE OKA of the FSB (from the Crimea, from house arrest. Well, it means they were arrested for a reason!) He also composed a verse, a viper about his "heroic" act ...

    but his "heroism" of the tutor

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  12. +19
    August 18 2016
    I do not want to be a grumbler, but I'm sorry, the article is nonsense. the author himself began with a suspicion of the untruthfulness of the actions of the DKR security officers, then he begins to develop some kind of nonsense, clicking on his phobias / suspicions of the truth. Yes, how do you know, maybe these are two years, the poor fellow hero of the plot was under the hood of the Ministry of Security, tightly developed. the time has come, mowed weeds. in general, the position of those who stick their nose into the affairs of specialists is disgusting to me. this can be done in the presence of reliable facts, and not “like, maybe, in my opinion”.
  13. -11
    August 18 2016
    Sharia’s video is absolutely true, which means this is a crime of the MGB of Donetsk.
    1. Riv
      +8
      August 18 2016
      Of course! A winding horse wrench through the ass.
    2. +2
      August 18 2016
      Quote: scud
      Sharia movie is absolutely true,

      Sharia’s video is absolutely biased, which means that it doesn’t mean anything.
  14. +2
    August 18 2016
    The authors seem to have once promised not to touch on the topic of LDNR in their articles because of readers' misunderstanding of their specific opinions. They started again. Nothing more to write about?
    1. +1
      August 18 2016
      Well, we are not to blame for some of the limitations of some readers ... If they wrote, then it means it should be.

      Consider that we changed our mind and brought the old bagpipe.
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    1. -3
      August 18 2016
      Nothing that we are two? Yes, the MGB is a flock of magic ponies who are popping rainbows ...
      And where do you get these ...
      1. -5
        August 18 2016
        Quote: Banshee
        Nothing that two of us?

        The correct article, it is necessary for someone to play the role of useful morons, to confirm neutrality, democracy, justice, correctness.
  16. +4
    August 18 2016
    I would not say that everything is clear. Anyway, the work of specialists begins with obtaining information and preliminary operational verification. Taking a person without the sanction of the prosecutor will also not work, unless this was done in the course of a sudden need. I understand that it was not the first day. On the other hand, who can say that this is not an element of the game for a long time and the beginning of "legend" for the further implementation of the operational plan? Nobody.
    And then the journalists with their nose, let the cat’s tail work down.
  17. +6
    August 18 2016
    The plant practically did not work. I belonged to the system of enterprises "Korund" (in my opinion), which are part of SCM (R. Akhmetova). In 15, a DRG (mortar shelling) worked from the territory of the plant. On account of "driving a confiscated car" - this is "to put it mildly, roughly speaking, a crime on the part of the investigator." You will not surprise anyone with the "PS" flag in Donetsk, as well as in Ukraine. True, in some stores, they are used instead of rugs. Throwing such a video on TV, in my opinion, is premature. And with such "ksivs" he could well feel at ease. By the way, about the "Cossacks" - in the DPR "they are absent" (considered illegal armed groups, the author is not aware). The units are guarded by the DPR Armed Forces, DPR Internal Troops and OMON (formerly "Berkut"). Some of the Cossacks went over to the DPR Armed Forces (the rest were disbanded). Tossing so many weapons is somehow not logical. Moreover, in the video Brazhnikov (does not look beaten in meat), refers to some military who left this cargo for storage. Let's see what will happen next.
    1. +1
      August 18 2016
      I can add
      Quote: German Titov
      The state security service is not numerous enough. It makes no sense to keep a large staff. Just because the number of specialists does not go into quality. One good counterintelligence officer sometimes costs dozens of mediocre ones. Therefore, any military unit or subunit is well aware of "their" special forces. And the appearance of someone else will arouse suspicion in any soldier. Not to mention the officers.

      completely wrong statement. Just ksiva MGB and the "legend" that I because of the ribbon, would be quite good.
      Quote: German Titov
      Therefore, any military unit or subunit knows very well "its" special officers.

      "Own" special officers will not check "their" part; for this, foreign special officers are always involved.
      1. +1
        August 18 2016
        Dear (really Dear!) What is written "as quoted" I did not write. In this thread, I wrote 1 answer (it is on the site) - there were no others. Where did you get such quotes, please tell me. In "personal" we also did not communicate with you
  18. +1
    August 18 2016
    Dear VO fighters. It would be logical, after the saboteur’s arrest in July, to provide accomplices, or HOW?
  19. +1
    August 18 2016
    It’s not convincing.
  20. +3
    August 18 2016
    Recall the civil war in Russia of the 20th century. Lawlessness created lawlessness on both sides and those between. Crime was in the best position. The leaders of the city gangs were former officers. Bandyuki and Entente agents crawled into the Cheka and the police.
    Too little information to draw conclusions. The episode with the garage is incomprehensible. What happened in the garage after the visit of retiring unknowns in military uniforms. The TV show is premature, in vain.
    But that shorty on the video is not General Kononov by chance.
    Mr. Zakharchenko understands that the Law is above all, it is his support, and not the lawlessness of the MGB, especially the use of a material evidence (car) for personal purposes by the investigator. hi
  21. +1
    August 18 2016
    The story, of course, is "muddy" and not everything in it is clear - either, indeed, a hidden "accomplice", or criminal "showdowns" with the help of the MGB ... What's in the DPR, what's in the LPR is not so surprising ... And, on the Russian channel, which voiced this incident, they were somewhat rushed in providing information. So, Anatoly Shariy was careful not to draw any "conclusions" ... By the way, with the issuance of a weapon permit (rifled, combat) in the LPNR, it is not so, everything is simple ... Some commentators should not go too far ... , let's see what happens next ...
  22. +2
    August 18 2016
    An adult man puts on a flag of PSov on a white stone and puts it in the social. network. Strong excuse. I wonder how many mentally healthy citizens cover the tremors at home with Pindoo-Oos, Ukrop or Igil flags. In general, the story is somehow muddy. Maybe really unlucky dude, and maybe on business.
  23. +2
    August 18 2016
    Those who made "round eyes" with the words "is it really a banner?"
    ---------------
    Svidomites do not distinguish between the concepts of "flag" and "banner". Therefore, only a prancing macaque could make round eyes and ask such an idiotic question, and his brother could write about it.
  24. +1
    August 18 2016
    Let's say the story with the arrest is not very clear, the overlays are quite possible, because this is life, not blank paper. So the article is not a model of transparency. What the authors wanted was clarity, so why stir up the water with their conclusions built on speculation and conjecture.
  25. +5
    August 18 2016
    Excessive zeal of fools in power exposes power itself from the indecent side !!!
  26. +6
    August 18 2016
    I don’t know ... Roman did not convince in the article that the agent is fake ...

    He needed the SBU certificates in order to calmly move through ukropovskie / pravosekovskie posts on the territory of the urashinushki. Otherwise, they can shoot dill, or kidnap for ransom.
    Pravosekovsky flag - it’s also incomprehensible to me to give in to a fig, but maybe when he went through dill checkpoints, he clung to a car? Also, so as not to be shot by accident, but at least stopped first, checked?
    The warehouse on the territory of the plant is a completely normal place for all this sabotage crap. In any way more reliable than a garage, apartment or garden.
    In general, I would not be so categorical as the authors of the article, with all due respect to Roman
  27. 0
    August 18 2016
    Roman’s position is understandable - he wants to see the triumph of the Law in these territories. In the meantime, only criminal law and power structures serve him.
    And there are convenient reasons for a showdown - spies, saboteurs, and methods of removing opponents - "Ukrainian drg" In Ukraine, there is this too (only there are agents of the Kremlin and the FSB)
    An attempt to silence the events is deplorable too. Everyone has the impression that everything is in order and discipline and the LAW. However, this is not so.
    1. +2
      August 18 2016
      Quote: Retvizan
      Roman’s position is clear -

      Normal article and position is understandable. But still, it doesn’t draw on proof, yes, of course, on a hypothesis.
      In general, we all here, too, want the DPR and LPR to become full-fledged: with strong special agencies and the army, with an independent economy, with transparent power, and the triumph of the Law. Let's only take into account reality in these desires of our own, otherwise we can get the victory of banderlog instead of all this.
      And I have no illusions, my friends have parents in the LPR ....
  28. +2
    August 18 2016
    article - reminds a fantastic story with assumptions, ukroSMI smacks of
  29. +4
    August 18 2016
    The article is clearly "for a sensation." Journalists are racing to find "scandals and investigations." Respected authors of the article were no exception, and as an expert respected A. Shariy.
    But in order.
    1. Brazhnikov was deputy director of the plant for safety.This is the third person in the management of the plant. Yes, the security service of the enterprise has its own premises, where ordinary "hard workers" are not allowed to enter, and it may cost more to take an interest and "stand under the door". At best they will be fired (and work is not easy to find)
    Could these reserves be hidden by some "military"? Yes easily. Could an employee leaving for a neighboring territory recruit, bribe or intimidate with something? Yes Easy. So he kept it in an inaccessible place. An accomplice is possible, but a saboteur cannot be born, it takes a long time to learn.
    By the way, a series of bombings of officials in LDNR also Brazhnikov personally?

    2."is it really a banner"- the authors ask A. Shariy. Yes, so what? Did he go to a demonstration with him or hung out on the balcony for the holiday? The toilet closed.
    3. Here is an expert A. Shariy sneering about the "blown up door of a warehouse with weapons." knows for surewhat's behind the door. Only he does not know that there are special devices (for example "Key") capable of cutting off the lock without damaging the door trim. Or he determined by the explosion that blown up there?
    4.Interview with parents. Explicitly speak on camera. And the weapons permissions were right there (they didn’t for some reason withdraw), although they took away their keys and cars.
    The fact that workers are isolated and deprived of their mobile communications during OSM (operational investigative measures) is also justified. So what was not understood with OSM, how is this known? Took in the understanding of third-party people - a common practice.
    5. In the plot of "Vesti" the detainee does not look haggard or beaten. answers questions calmly and coherently. This means he was interrogated, a protocol was drawn up and as a reward "swept away" and brought to the plant to show people?
    6. Video recording of the "abduction" of the car.
    Yes, not a professional filming. But neither the license plate of the car nor anyone in it is visible. There is only the chairman’s story that his garage was opened by some guy who didn’t see anything.
    6. And a completely unexpected "sensation" preparation of a raider takeover of an enterprise.
    At the same time, the authors clearly "know" that both the MGB and the former "specialists" are closely connected with criminals and help them in the redistribution of values.

    We in no way want to say that these are the machinations of the MGB. But no, we want. The office is really necessary, especially in military conditions. But the likelihood of using state security to eliminate competitors in the "business" is very high. Or, alternatively, the presence in the state of the Ministry of State Security of people who are ready for a benefit or a trifle to go for everything.
    "Here, the episode near the garage and the promptly" wrung out "car are quite good confirmation. As well as dozens of other no less ugly deeds and deeds that we wrote about before, before the period of silence." I wrote about the car above, and so ...
    Bloody gebyo triumphs!
  30. 0
    August 18 2016
    interesting, but the impression remains that a lot is not shown and not said
  31. +1
    August 18 2016
    Ukrainians did not take a single gold in the jumps.
    But the whole country trained. laughing
  32. +1
    August 18 2016
    I agree with the opinion of the author. The MGB of the DPR and the LPR are also very questionable in terms of justice and legality. I speak as one who has seen and been ... There is a redistribution of property.
    1. +3
      August 18 2016
      Quote: AleBors
      I speak as one who has seen and been ... There is a redistribution of property.

      Pts a loud statement. Where have you been? I speak as one who is constantly here.
      Speeches about a raider takeover by the MGB are ridiculous. Why then take a guard (albeit the main one)? Isn't it easier to nationalize? And then by "tender" to transfer to whom? Too complicated an operation for a banal spinning of an idle plant ..
      1. +2
        August 19 2016
        You are absolutely right. They could have thrown 1 grenade, 2. But a whole arsenal? I lived in 2014 across the street (Professors Bogoslovskikh street (if anyone knows Donetsk)). From the factory, (from the waste heap) 82 mm worked at times. The plant, as an enterprise, did not work - the main supplies to the Russian Federation (Ukraine squeezed). In fact, except for the guards, there were no workers there. According to the parents, Sharia, “the guy showed his position very much by placing the flag“ PS ”on the background of the toilet bowl (with the corresponding inscription). Question: How did he pass by Antonina Gerashchenko's website with such talents (periodically leaving for Ukraine). a person with experience in law enforcement "The military left this arsenal ..." To the SA specialists "Is it possible to make a normal" gemmor "for the DPR out of the arsenal found in the warehouse (by video)? (like in the DPR you won’t surprise anyone, the bdlin surprised me.) Who cares — There is an order from last year. Otherwise, I expressed my opinion earlier. Roman Skomorokhov and Alexander Staver ran a little ahead of the locomotive (tradition, however). Paraphrasing a little "Veni, see, vitsi "-" I sat, heard, and on ... l. "With all due respect to them. In general, it really pisses me off when the investigation materials get into the press. As a rule, this leads to a bias in the process, where the guilty person is appointed by matter lamas of publications. If I expressed it rudely, I'm sorry. My opinion.
  33. +1
    August 18 2016
    The author (R. Skomorokhov) has been to LDNR and has every right to his opinion, based, again, on his personal --- unlike dissatisfied --- experience of communication and observation of life there.
    This is because in Crimea, too, after all, not everything is docked - logically - with the detention of terrorists.
    Need more information.
    1. -1
      August 19 2016
      Skororokhov, from the beginning of the conflict in Donbass, further than Russian Donetsk, did not happen!
      1. 0
        August 19 2016
        Yeah, and you have something to confirm?
        And then the nickname will stick - "p.ball!" ...
        I do not like all the articles of R. Skomorokhov, but according to his own articles --- he was there many times.
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  34. 0
    August 18 2016
    The most truthful thing is that to hell when they tell us the truth about it.
  35. +5
    August 18 2016
    Yesterday Channel One showed a large reportage on this topic. They showed everything there. And tank shells and small arms and grenades with a bunch of fuses and mines. They also showed heaps of documents, passports and other crap. I was especially struck by the presence of a whole stack of car numbers. It is unreasonable to believe that the investigators brought all this with them to the search. Too many things. You can't take away by one car. So the journalists of Channel One are also yellow-throated boobies? "Gentleman's set" to put the activist in five years much less. I hope everyone here knows it. A bag of powder, a couple of bullets in bulk and an article about SUGS (lard to Ukraine - to the heroes of lard). More than enough for a raider takeover. The arrested person does not look broken and broken. Confused yes, but no more.
    Sharia has an interview with his parents. Those still show Ukrainian permits for a mountain of weapons, including those with sniper sights. Isn't it strange? Opel car without numbers? Several years worth, but on the go. Everyone knows that during this time, if you do not drive the battery will die. Is there a stack of different numbers at work? Really no questions.
    The position of many here commenting on anything, but not on the real resident of Ukrainian saboteurs, is surprising. I think that this version is the most believable. And the flag on the toilet is the best cover. This is the stupidity of the resident himself, not the investigators. They simply stated a fact.
  36. 0
    August 18 2016
    Some speculations and variations on the theme SURELY. Something aroused suspicion of what he saw and Ostap suffered ...
  37. +3
    August 18 2016
    Quote: Des10
    The author (R. Skomorokhov) has been to LDNR and has every right to his opinion, based, again, on his personal --- unlike dissatisfied --- experience of communication and observation of life there.
    This is because in Crimea, too, after all, not everything is docked - logically - with the detention of terrorists.
    Need more information.

    This is where, in which countries, more precisely on which planet, give full information about the activities of special forces ???
    Usually they simply report briefly, the most important. Hence the complete lack of a complete picture of the actions and sequence of events ... If I do not believe the media to the end (there are reasons and facts) then I do not believe the authors, even if they were there three times
  38. +3
    August 19 2016
    Needless to say, taking into account the attack on Plotnikov, we can say that the activity of the DRG pots is rampant. You can understand the humane attitude towards prisoners of war, but spies and saboteurs must be treated according to the laws of war and the experience of the NKVD during the Great Patriotic War to help. Only the realization of harsh and cruel punishment will sober up those who want to earn a handful of hryvnias on the blood of their compatriots!
  39. 0
    August 19 2016
    After any revolution and seizure of power, the "rewarding of those involved" begins. The French Revolution still teaches this.
    In "Kiev" Muzychko and some other people were cleaned out (probably in little things), but what is the difference between the DPR and LPR? In fact, the same revolution, though so far without "proclamation". Several commanders were removed that year. Now here's the "spy scandal".

    The power "cleans" the field for the "absolute" - it is asserted, so to speak, until the people relaxed and got used to the poor, but peace.
  40. +2
    August 19 2016
    I thought of recent articles by Roman Skomorokhov about terror. I have them +++++++.
    I thought about various terrorist acts in LPR, about the death of people. I remembered about the organs seized by the Armed Forces. I thought about the killer doctor.
    I recalled the stories I heard of refugees from Mariupol.
    I remembered with what terrible mutilations, wounds the militia arrived for treatment. The ones I saw.
    I recalled that the laws of wartime MUST differ from the laws of peace, and very much. So it was ALWAYS.
    Therefore, I think: until peace came to LDNR --- only support, help !!!
    I read poems by Alexei Mozgovoy. Inspired.

    IN MEMORY OF ALEXEY BRAIN.

    What a pity to die in May.
    Excruciating. Fierce. Soulful.
    In the spring, the blackbirds will sing
    But he will not listen to the song.

    And the May Thunderstorm is coming,
    And all nature has awakened
    And live and live more ... But here ---
    Life was interrupted, covered with earth.

    And the chicks grow up again,
    The ladies with the boys walk.
    And he lies in the damp earth,
    And everyone mourns, everyone remembers.

    There was a voice and poems.
    Live songs sounded.
    We will watch the video.
    We met him again.

    So mean was death to send ---
    As soon as forty has arrived!
    When there is a military become
    And the mind, and courage, and strength!

    Yes, he died, but he forever
    Remained in the memory of the people !!!
    Died a great man!
    He gave his life for Freedom.
  41. +2
    August 20 2016
    The article is just a provocation and doused with mud. The author has knowledge of special services from fiction. They know all the specials by sight ... ha ha and ha again. Amateur article. And nothing at all.
  42. 0
    August 20 2016
    What I was afraid of, the second Chechnya began. After 2,5 years, however, normally held out
  43. +1
    August 20 2016
    You’re angry authors. White threads, black. As they say it’s better to overtake than not to finish. And time will tell, counterintelligence officers are right or not.
  44. 0
    August 21 2016
    [quote] [Why serious professionals make such "bloopers", we just do not understand. / quote]
    Wablo conquers evil. Here is the answer to all the questions. recourse I personally saw how Basurin (prisoner) was released for 50 thousand .. tanks (dad came to the landcraiser), like we need, he doesn’t call cartridges.
  45. 0
    August 25 2016
    they’re just new to the info war.

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