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Such a different capitalism

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Such a different capitalism


To write this article, I was prompted by a dispute with the user Atalef over which countries have capitalism and which countries have socialism. Is it possible to call economic relations in the Russian Federation capitalism? How does capitalism in Russia differ from capitalism in China or the United States or Norway? I'll start with the definitions.

Capitalism - a socio-economic formation based on private ownership of the means of production and exploitation of hired labor with capital ... (Great Soviet Encyclopedia).

Capitalism - it is a modern, market-based economic system for the production of goods, controlled by "capital", that is, the value used to hire workers (Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy).

Private property - one of the forms of ownership, which implies the protected right of a natural or legal person, or their group on the subject of ownership (http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/1190505).

Based on the definitions, the two most important parameters that allow us to speak about the capitalist system are private propertywhich is protected by law and exploitation hired labor. Indeed, for example, in the slave-owning society there is also the right to private property, but the slave-owners are not exploited by hired workers, but by the living means of production owned.

In any society (and in the Russian Federation, and in the USA, and in Norway, and in China), in which there is the right of private property, wage labor is capitalist. Another thing is that capitalist societies are different.

First, let's consider the phenomenon of the so-called Swedish socialism. In Sweden (Norway, Finland) there is the right of private property and wage labor. It means there can be no talk of socialism. But what about the big social guarantees imposed on the citizens of these countries? In this regard, we can talk about social stateand not about socialism. The omniscient Wikipedia speaks of a social state like that.

Welfare state (him. Sozialstaat) - a state whose policy is aimed at the redistribution of material benefits in accordance with the principle of social justice in order to achieve every citizen a decent standard of living, smoothing social differences and help to those in need.

The main thing in this definition is exactly the smoothing of social differences. That is, it is not their leveling, but smoothing due to the fact that the state is directing a part of the surplus funds and resources to improve the living standards of the poorest segments of the population. So, these Scandinavian countries are the most advanced along the path of building a welfare state, although its elements can be traced in Russia (pension system subsidized in part from the federal budget, maternity capital, disability and survivor pension, benefits, etc.). Therefore, the Scandinavian countries we can confidently call capitalist social states.

You can also consider the phenomenon of the so-called state capitalism. A good example of this variant of the capitalist system was Nazi Germany. Private ownership and hired labor are also present in this type of capitalism. But the state regulates relations between large capitalist groups (for example, engineering / aircraft manufacturing corporations).

Also typical of state capitalist systems were the “right” dictatorships of Latin America, and in the post-Soviet space Belarus is out of competition here. To the state capitalism could be attributed, and the country "capitalist socialist camp", because there are no large corporations whose leaders could control the state. However, these states themselves are controlled by TNCs and “elder brothers” like the US or the EU. So they are simply affiliates of these larger systems.

It seems that we can observe state capitalism in modern Russia, when the largest monopolies are either in the hands of the state or groups of oligarchs, the relations between which are regulated by the state. Nevertheless, one should not overestimate the role of the state in the domestic “state” capitalism. Since all the same, the state as a whole is ruled by oligarchs. Oligarchs are big businessmen who have managed to convert their fortunes into political capital and were able to manage state policy. In order to see the inferiority of Russian state capitalism, it suffices to compare the actions of the leaders of the states - Hitler and Putin. Hitler could hold his state in his hands until his death in the furnace of complete defeat and defeat, which suggests that the German rich, although they influenced the division of profits, but still obeyed the central government. Whereas Putin’s is “not a 37 year”, he cannot curb the appetites of domestic oligarchs and cannot even change the obviously disastrous liberal economic policies by going against their interests. What makes us understand: Putin is only a hired manager, as he himself put it, “a slave in the galleys.” True, it has great rights and powers, but is not able to go beyond them.

The largest representative of state capitalism in the modern world, of course, is China, in which most of the major industries belong to the state. This allows the Chinese for two decades to develop dynamically and even in a crisis to have a positive growth dynamics. real GDP. This development cannot be explained solely by Western investments.

Since Russian capitalism cannot be called state capitalism, it is oligarchic capitalism. Although the most typical example of oligarchic capitalism was militaristic Japan, in which there was no visible center of power at all and large monopolies (zaibatsu) fought among themselves, using state mechanisms. Also to the oligarchic capitalist systems include the United States and the EU countries. There, too, there is no clearly pronounced center of power on the part of the state, because their “rulers” become “lame ducks” a short time after their election. And for trying to create such a center, Kennedy lost his life. And if the state is not an authority, it means that someone else is really in charge, that is, the oligarchs.

All of these capitalism variants are in reality the varieties of the highest degree of capitalism - monopoly capitalism. And to understand what this system is, let's move from simple to complex.

As you know, capitalism is preceded by a stage capital accumulationwhich is characterized by a weak state system. The state cannot protect the right of private property of small owners. But, nevertheless, the emerging large owners quite successfully use, including, and state structures to protect those who have stolen from others, for example, may incite the rival grouping of pocket "cops" (equivalent to the Wild West - the sheriff bought) or substitute a competitor for tax checks. That is, the institution of private property with its protection is present, and hired labor is also available. Moreover, this stage is very conducive to the growth of the wage labor market, since a large number of self-employed people are being ruined, as well as the outflow of citizens from the civil service, which does not provide sufficient income. And where else to go to those who do not fit into the "market", how not to go into bondage to successful neighbors? Therefore, let's say, the USA of the times of the Wild West or the RF of the times of “dashing 90's,” when future oligarchs inherited the legacy of the USSR, can be called capitalist systems, say, “zero level”, or wild capitalism. Europeans had a more civilized and lengthy period of capital accumulation, marking the phase of transition from feudalism to capitalism. Although in Europe it was not without blood (the French bourgeois revolution, Cromwell in England, etc.).

Further, capital owners want to secure the loot in the fun times of its accumulation. And for this you need to maximize the state. This process is accompanied by the pacification of society, people clearly benefit from a decrease in the level of criminal and economic lawlessness. In our memory, this process occupied the end of 90-x and the beginning of 2000-x. This time developed classical or market capitalism. When large owners have not yet digested the past feast and allow citizens and small businessmen to fatten up fat. Let me remind you only for the sake of improving the protection of your capital. Moreover, this “fatty” has already been taken into account in the parishes of large-scale ledgers. Also at the time of market capitalism accounts for the link of power and big capital and the transformation of the nouveau riche, the rich, but without political power, into oligarchs who place their people in posts in the state apparatus.

In Europe and the USA, this golden period of capitalism, when you could really make money by creating a large machine-building corporation from your home workshop, lasted almost the entire 20 century and ended with the fall of the USSR. Although the monopolization of markets began as early as the beginning of the 20 century, the presence of an ideological rival forced Western oligarchs to wait, they did not risk showing their bestial grin to their fellow citizens while there was an alternative. But as soon as the USSR was gone, the Western capitalist system went into sprawling. Like mushrooms after the rain, transnational corporations appeared, which began to be pushed around not only by small business rivals and hired workers, but even by small states and the periphery of capitalism. In Russia, capitalism also very quickly moved to monopolistic phase. In just a few years, everything that could bring a good income, regardless of the type of property, private or remaining state-owned, was seized by raiders of oligarchs. At the same time, bandit raids were no longer used, quite official bodies were thrown into the attack - the police, the prosecutor's office, the tax inspectorate. I remember well, and I already described in earlier articles raider attacks of such enterprises as the Amur prospector artel, AK Dalavia, and even the simplest design institute Dalairoproekt. All this happened after 2008. The jubilant Russian oligarchs decided that under the banner of liberal Medvedev they were accepted into the family of world capitalist predators and had a feast during the crisis. However, this process did not stop even when it became clear that the West could “accept” our newly-minted oligarchs only in the form of food. The logic of capitalist development is inexorable. We can well see this in the example of trade. Where the small shops and shopping centers with the shops of small merchants ruled the ball, the signs of retail chains flaunted, and the selling small business is driven into ghettos of remote villages and depressed single-industry towns.

Why is this happening, what kind of logic is it? Capitalism is a system of continuous development.. But the development is not intensive, implying a reduction in the cost of production due to new technologies and methods of management, it is more expensive and long, and therefore ineffective in the economic struggle, and extensive. First, the capitalist economy captures foreign markets and resources (colonization, neo-colonialism). And when external expansion options are exhausted, it is the turn of the redistribution of the domestic market with the destruction of the weaker neighbors. Anyone who stops developing, lags behind and loses the competition. Therefore, any successful subject of the capitalist economy will try to grow and, naturally, as a result of competition and victory of the strongest, market monopolization. We observe the peak of the monopolization process on the example of the WTO, which is already erasing state borders to quench the appetites of TNCs. At present, the globalization process of capitalist monopolies is in its final stages. There are no large market segments or resources in the world that are not integrated into the world capitalist system. Do not take it as a big market for the DPRK or Cuba! And so we see the beginning of the process of devouring capitalism itself.

If there is nothing more to capture, then to increase competitiveness, the capitalist begins to save on everything: from the wages of hired workers to raw materials. That leads to a drop in incomes of the population, most of which are already hired workers, as well as a drop in product quality, which we see in the example of any goods, from cars to clothes and household appliances that become disposable, working until the end of the warranty period. In turn, the fall in household incomes leads to a decrease in demand and a further reduction in the market, launching a new round of cuts in monopolist spending. The incomes of all the leading capitalist countries — the USA and the EU countries — are already feeling the fall in revenues. So far this wave has not particularly captured the small capitalist countries - Scandinavia, Israel, Australia. The reason for this is that in these small countries, TNCs are not so strongly represented. And most of the domestic market is controlled by the state (Scandinavia) or the competitive environment of small and medium-sized businesses (Israel). Therefore, the problems of TNCs concern them to a lesser extent. But still, the logic of the development of capitalism is inexorable. For example, the Transatlantic and Trans-Pacific partnerships are precisely designed to pump fat from such islands of capitalist well-being, such as Singapore, South Korea or the Nordic countries. Is this the reason for Israel’s problems with its eternal allies from Europe and from across the ocean?

How can the world capitalist experiment end? There are several options. Restarting the system through a crisis. Military or economic. These options are not very desirable for capitalists. That war, that the economic crisis will lead either to a weakening of states that may not be able to protect private property, as was the case in Russia in October 1917, or, conversely, will strengthen the role of the state, as it was in the US under Roosevelt, and the state itself suit the cleaning of the pockets of the oligarchs. It is clear that restarting the system is fraught with losses either from above or below. There are also options for the regress of social relations with the non-economic consolidation of power and wealth. That is, the apocalyptic theocratic feudalism, or the anti-utopian neo-feudalism in the form of the so-called "electronic concentration camp". These options, too, as they say, are not honey, for the existence of a feudal system requires an elite, which is legitimized no longer by capitalists' money, like the current pseudo-elite, but by “religion”, “tradition”, etc. And in the case of electronic feudalism, someone must administer this electronic web. In both cases, the new elite can get out of submission, because it has either independent legitimacy or the technical ability to rob the shadow masters of life. In the worst case scenario, the collapse of civilization can lead to the slave and primitive communal system. The only thing that capitalism cannot reach is socialism. Well, judge for yourself, does a monopolist-oligarch want to share money and power with his employees?
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  1. tatra
    tatra 18 August 2016 09: 15
    +17
    In the West, there is already no capitalism, and de facto, all Western countries are bankrupt, because they have so many debts that they can never pay.
    Real capitalism is inhuman, unprofitable and deadly for the country and people.
    1. Finches
      Finches 18 August 2016 09: 19
      +38
      Back in 1964, Nosov gave an intelligible explanation about capitalism, in simple words in wonderful children's books about Dunno, writing about the system as follows: “… Whoever has money will get a good job on the Foolish Island. For the money the rich man will build himself a house in which the air is well purified, will pay the doctor, and the doctor will prescribe pills for him, from which the wool does not grow back so quickly. In addition, for the rich. there are so-called beauty salons. If some rich man swallows harmful air, he will soon run to such a salon. There, for money, they will begin to make him different poultices and rubbing, so that the ram's face looks like an ordinary short face. True, these poultices do not always help well . You look at such a rich man from afar - as if a normal short man, and if you look closer, he is the simplest ram. " laughing
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 18 August 2016 11: 42
        +39
        Socialism: - Feed the hungry fish.
        Capitalism, as they draw it to us: - Do not feed the hungry fish, but give him a fishing rod.
        Capitalism as it really is: - Do not give a fishing rod, but sell it on credit, not letting the hungry understand that he still does not have access to the fish pond or the right to fish, because both the pond and the fish have long been belong to those to whom he now also owes a fishing rod ...
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    2. My doctor
      My doctor 18 August 2016 11: 17
      +4
      In any society (and in the Russian Federation, and in the USA, and in Norway, and in China), in which there is the right of private property, wage labor is capitalist. Another thing is that capitalist societies are different.
      Another mention of Nazi Germany, Belarusian capitalism, but there is not a hint of DPRK socialism, agrarian socialism of the Khmer Rouge, etc.
      Quote: tatra
      Real capitalism is inhuman, unprofitable and deadly for the country and people.

      Quote: Musician
      That's right, Capitalism is an absolutely immoral system, contrary to human nature. Absolute evil.

      Yes, under socialism, the state is obliged to provide housing, medical care, education, work and provide leisure. Under socialism, social problems are not so acute for a person. And naturally, a person who feels that he cannot fully satisfy his needs under capitalism will advocate for socialism. A person who is confident in his abilities and can independently achieve greater benefits than with an equal socialist distribution of these benefits, then such an individual will adhere to capitalism.

      The article itself is a plus. The article no longer refers to natural resources as a guarantee of wealth, which means there will be an understanding that the country's well-being is associated not only with minerals, but also with labor.
      1. Ivan Ivanov
        Ivan Ivanov 18 August 2016 12: 39
        +3
        Quote: MyVrach
        The article itself is a plus.

        In general, the topic is interesting. Here it is fair to raise the question of what, from our point of view, should be. ideal social structure, which way to follow it.
        1. russian redut
          russian redut 18 August 2016 16: 30
          +5
          Whatever you call the social structure in Russia. In essence, it should serve the interests of the people and the Russian nation, and not the interests of the "God-chosen" oligarchic minority, with control from some powerful institution, for example, the state, which represents the interests of the people. Comrade Stalin was able to translate the idea of ​​socialism, originally intended for the destruction of Russia, for the good of the country and adapt so that the prices of goods decreased. We are a self-sufficient country, we have everything for prosperity except unity.
      2. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 18 August 2016 13: 14
        +9
        Quote: MyVrach
        A person who is confident in his abilities and can independently achieve greater benefits than with an equal socialist distribution of these benefits,

        In this case, "a person who is confident in his abilities" must be brought out into the open field and let him be realized there. Only BY OWN FORCES, and not at the expense of society. And then we have such "confident" a dime a dozen, who without a twinge still use the Soviet legacy, such as power grids, housing stock and sewerage. And they are positioning themselves as independent delugans! Himself! All by myself! So, let him first dig the cesspool himself!
        1. Rivares
          Rivares 18 August 2016 16: 14
          -2
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          In this case, "a person who is confident in his abilities" must be brought out into the open field and let him be realized there. Only BY OWN FORCES, and not at the expense of society.

          Very strange suggestion. The identity of parents and relatives was not on their land, who also contributed to society? Those. if my grandfather built a house in which I live, then I need to be in a clean field for self-confidence?
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 18 August 2016 16: 33
            0
            Quote: Rivares
            Those. if my grandfather built a house in which I live, then I need to be in a clean field for self-confidence?

            If your grandfather (and he is not alone) built a house in which not only you live, then on what basis should it belong personally to you? Based on your self-confidence?
            1. S-kerrigan
              S-kerrigan 19 August 2016 10: 30
              0
              And if only I live, or I and the woman I accepted? Or did he even personally build this house for me? Also select?

              * I personally just went "into the open field" and "all by myself." But I would like to see the answers to the questions.
              For for my children, I will do my best to give them the best start I can. And the notorious housing is included here. Only I'm not going to endure this "take and share" at all. For I do it myself. For their own. There is nothing to share.
              1. Ivan Ivanov
                Ivan Ivanov 19 August 2016 14: 04
                +1
                Quote: S-Kerrigan
                Or did he even personally build this house for me? Also select?

                We are talking about people who appropriate the fruits of collective labor and thus becoming. orders of magnitude richer than colleagues. These also like to talk about "made myself". To some extent, yes, himself, but using laws that allow the profit of a large enterprise to be divided between a narrow group of people, or by reducing costs due to labor migration. In fact, the same feudalism, only the feudal lord the worker can choose for himself, and even then not always.
        2. Ivan Ivanov
          Ivan Ivanov 19 August 2016 14: 20
          0
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          ONLY BY YOUR FORCE, and not at the expense of society.

          Usually in such cases they talk about incentives for initiative citizens. For example, the state decided to reduce the purchase prices, initiative citizens hid the bread and hid it because it is unprofitable. take away? there is obviously a problem, because often only a local initiative can fill a need.
      3. alicante11
        18 August 2016 13: 47
        +4
        Another mention of Nazi Germany, Belarusian capitalism, but there is not a hint of DPRK socialism, agrarian socialism of the Khmer Rouge, etc.


        Socialism needs a separate discussion.

        A person who is confident in his abilities and can independently achieve greater benefits than with an equal socialist distribution of these benefits, then such an individual will adhere to capitalism.


        You understand, a lot of confident individuals under capitalism were deceived in their confidence. And it ended badly for them.
      4. 34 region
        34 region 18 August 2016 14: 37
        -3
        My Doctor! 11.17. Under socialism, the state provides social guarantees. Well, and how then is socialism different from prison, slavery, serfdom, feudalism? After all, there are also some guarantees. In prison you are guaranteed food, a roof, medical care. With slavery, you will always be guaranteed a job. What does natural wealth mean? Well there was Demidov. And all his workers lived elegantly? Or did the wealth of RI belong to the whole people of the empire? Is Gazprom a national treasure? Today we are all talking about guarantees. Today I take you to a plantation (into slavery) and work is guaranteed to you. What to do with such a guarantee? Life in prison is also a guarantee of a roof over your head (you will not be guaranteed to live on the street while in prison). And how then is capitalism different from socialism? What guarantees does capitalism give? Guarantee crises and wars? Which system is better? It turns out that with any system there are guarantees and everywhere is good !?
      5. V. Salama
        V. Salama 4 June 2023 17: 59
        -1
        Quote: MyVrach
        Another mention of Nazi Germany, Belarusian capitalism, but there is not a hint of the socialism of the DPRK,

        There is no socialism in the DPRK because the Juche idea is not the ideology of socialism.
        ...there will be an understanding that the well-being of the country is connected not only with fossils, but also with labor.
        And the well-being of the country is always associated with labor, however, under socialism, labor must be highly efficient, the distribution of produced products is fair, and consumption is moderate. And all this depends on whom? Is socialism an end or a means? Under socialism, there were two main goals, one (the first) was beyond the horizon - the formation of a person of a new communist formation and, the second, solved in our USSR, self-sufficient in all types of resources, quite simply (if not for the internal and external enemy) - improving the welfare of workers. Khrushchev successfully consigned the first task to oblivion (at the same time, socialism ended immediately - that's how it should be understood), but he did not cope with the second, and could not cope - education was not enough to realize the magnitude of the tasks, and for a number of signs he was an agent of influence of the internal enemy. He wanted to build communism in 20 years, but there was no one to knock on his heels whether everyone was at home there. So now we live like this - we disentangle, that is.
      6. V. Salama
        V. Salama 5 June 2023 16: 17
        0
        Quote: MyVrach
        And naturally, a person who feels that he cannot fully satisfy his needs under capitalism will stand up for socialism. A person who is confident in his abilities and can independently achieve greater benefits than with an equal socialist distribution of these benefits, then such an individual will adhere to capitalism.

        Interesting idea. The problem is that capitalism will eventually gobble up everything, due to the immoderation of its consumption (the doctrine of moderation in consumption is only in the theory of socialism, for example, in KOB there is only a declaration about it), which, if necessary, can be limited at the expense of other countries or own "personalities, self-confident." The time will always come to them - when the main contradiction of capitalism "between the social nature of production and the privately owned form of appropriation of the goods produced" becomes aggravated. "Rob the loot" - this slogan was not invented by the Bolsheviks, it is a paraphrased principle of the Rothschilds - "expropriators are expropriated." You were simply beckoned by capitalism, many believed, and many did not, because they knew how it would all end in the end. Capitalism feels good only when there is someone to rob - strangers or its own. If you didn’t know this, it’s a pity, but if you don’t see this, which is in fact already obvious in our life, at least on the example of Europe, well, there’s nothing to be done about it. Under socialism, there was a fixed salary (passive income is the principle of wealth) and there was no equal distribution: - the goods produced were distributed according to the quantity and quality of socially useful labor. Those who like this principle, or rather those who consider this principle fair, are also for socialism. And if someone likes the principle of distribution of benefits depending on the attitude to power (administrative resource), to property (capital) - they are for capitalism. Well, except for those, of course, who simply believe in capitalism and the invisible hand of the market, regardless of science, obvious facts and trends. Those who are for socialism, for the most part, have never assessed the situation in the country from the position of their own stomach, so in vain you write about satisfying needs here. I do not deny Maslow's theory, but here we are talking about justice and the mentality of the Russian people, and this is not a theory, but a historically established practice that should not be ignored, although one cannot endlessly rely on the same resource, at the same time, the passionarity of which is the desire to grind for those who want to rely on it. And now let's get back to your interesting thought, judging by which and your Nickname you are (this is just my assumption) a doctor by profession. I was interested in the question of how you came to this idea or what life factor formed your beliefs. The first thing that came to mind was Bulgakov's Heart of a Dog, which was filmed and presented by liberal figures as an anti-Soviet film. But Bulgakov was not an anti-Soviet. Yes, he sometimes engaged in satire of Soviet reality, but he was also one of Stalin's favorite writers and he owns the assertion that "it is impossible to write a libel on the Great October Socialist Revolution due to the greatness of this event."
    3. Berber
      Berber 18 August 2016 16: 53
      +2
      This same capitalism is. Isn't the USA a hot example? Everyone knows that when the Pentagon orders, there is a deriban, cleaner than in any other country in the world. In fact, the US military-industrial complex is beginning to eat the state from the inside. And this is an example of only one industry. Take NASA - the same story. You can find many such examples. It is clear that the state is a living organism, but look who is at the head? Who is the elite? People see only their own benefit, the maximum interests of their power group, and not the whole state. Most of them don't give a damn. That is why, there is a series of geopolitical misses. They do not see the global picture.
  2. Музыкант
    Музыкант 18 August 2016 09: 24
    +11
    That's right, Capitalism is an absolutely immoral system, contrary to human nature. Absolute evil.

    In principle, already "there" smart people have long begun to realize this.
    Here is a very realistic forecast of the collapse of the entire capitalist system
    http://pro.bonnerandpartners.com/BBLFALLDWN49/EBBLS404/Full
  3. guzik007
    guzik007 18 August 2016 09: 26
    +14
    Putin is just a hired manager, as he put it, "a slave in the galleys." True, having great rights and powers, but not having the ability to go beyond them.
    -------------------------------------------------- -----------
    ... With his statement, thus confirming the statement of Deripaska that it was the oligarchs who hired him to rule the country as a manager on shares.
    1. taram taramych
      taram taramych 18 August 2016 10: 34
      +3
      The president is the guarantor of the constitution and is limited by it. Any action by the guarantor that violates the "letter of the law" puts an end to its legitimacy. Simple question. How many percent of the population supports the President and how much does Deripaska?
      1. tiredwithall
        tiredwithall 18 August 2016 11: 33
        +4
        To this end, Deripaska and put the GDP at the helm, so as not to worry about the rating. Now the main question is whether he will be able, how Lenin-Stalin to drastically change his course and the course of the country.
        1. Ivan Ivanov
          Ivan Ivanov 18 August 2016 12: 14
          +5
          Quote: tiredwithall
          For this, Deripaska and put the GDP at the helm

          For the sake of fairness, it must be said that the controlling stake in many large enterprises is in the hands of the state, which would not have been possible with a "hired manager" Deripasok. but a certain compromise has been reached with them. you don’t come to us, we don’t bother you.
          1. alicante11
            18 August 2016 13: 49
            +1
            For the sake of fairness, it must be said that the controlling stake in many large enterprises is in the hands of the state, which would not have been possible with a "hired manager


            Well, our state is also an oligarch. Take Gazprom alone, a "national treasure".
          2. Bekas1967
            Bekas1967 18 August 2016 14: 47
            +2
            And what kind of state-woo from this use ??? unrealistic salaries of managers, family-clan business around these enterprises, the ability to legally steal what belongs to EVERYTHING.
          3. 34 region
            34 region 18 August 2016 14: 49
            +2
            Ivan Ivanov! 12.14. In the 20s, our enterprises were in the concession of Western partners. But then the partners were overcome. And we have overcome many partners today? And the government’s proposals for the sale of state property to private hands, is it state control? Selling in a crisis, when the price of enterprises has clearly fallen, is it state control?
        2. rvRomanoff
          rvRomanoff 18 August 2016 13: 20
          -2
          Guys, I beg you, with as many officials as in Russia, if necessary, they will chew any Deripaska at once and spit it out. Cadres decide everything, as IP said. And the fact that our oligarchs still do not write tearful letters, like most comrades in the thirties from Sailor's Silence, says only that there is, for now, no need to put them there.
          1. alicante11
            18 August 2016 13: 50
            +5
            Guys, I beg you, with as many officials as in Russia, if necessary, they will chew any Deripaska at once and spit it out.


            But who do these officials serve? Is it Deripaska?

            Cadres decide everything as IP said


            It is for this that the oligarchs put their people in power.
        3. kit_bellew
          kit_bellew 18 August 2016 14: 00
          +1
          Quote: tiredwithall
          Now the main question is whether he will be able, how Lenin-Stalin to drastically change his course and the course of the country

          Stalin had a huge advantage over Putin: in his time there was no modern media technology. It was also important that the army was led by people who won the Civil War. People who fought for the people. They could be relied on. Personally, I’m not sure that the GDP, if he wants to turn something somewhere, he can rely on today's generals without looking back.
          1. 34 region
            34 region 18 August 2016 15: 03
            +1
            Keith Bellev! 14.00 p.m. Rather, the advantage was people with male psychology. They thought: Nobody but me, who if not me, where I am, there is success! And what is the psychology of today's leaders? What am I? I don’t! This crisis is to blame! This sanctions are undermining! We can’t! They do it better! Let me! With such a psychology, porridge cannot be boiled. GDP simply can’t do anything. He also constantly relies on his uncle. He, too, is constantly someone, something that must come, invest and do. He cannot ask either. Not the 37th year. One might think under Stalin there were no crises of capitalism and sanctions against the USSR. But he was able to play on the crisis and attracted the West to the economy of our country. He was able to remove ineffective leaders from leadership. Do we have all the leadership effective? And where are the results of their effectiveness? Increased oil sales?
      2. 34 region
        34 region 18 August 2016 14: 43
        0
        taram taramych! 10.34. How much real power do oligarchs have and how much population? On the outskirts, the population was kind of against the oligarchs. Is the population there now or oligarchs? No matter what you say, it’s important that you can. Let us be in 100% for Putin. What are our options?
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 18 August 2016 17: 00
          +2
          Quote: Region 34
          Let us be in 100% for Putin. What are our options?

          don't count me ...
        2. 16112014nk
          16112014nk 18 August 2016 17: 35
          0
          Anecdote on the topic of interest.
          "Russian Post has issued a stamp featuring Putin.
          No one can stick it on an envelope.
          14% spit on the wrong side.
          86% lick from the wrong side. "
          And yes, Putin is not omnipotent. Indeed, according to the Constitution, Russia is under external control. And "international law" has priority. Both the State Duma and the Constitutional Court admit this.
          Why do the opposition and the "fifth column" refuse to recognize Crimea as Russian? Because, according to the Russian constitution, which recognizes the priority of "international law", this is a violation. And with the weakening of the president's team or his personal position, the legislative and judicial system of Russia will themselves begin to withdraw Crimea at the request of some international body from under the leadership of Russia. And they use it to their advantage.
    2. WKS
      WKS 18 August 2016 11: 49
      +2
      Quote: guzik007
      ... With his statement, thus confirming the statement of Deripaska that it was the oligarchs who hired him to rule the country as a manager on shares.

      Maybe they promoted and gave money, like their American counterparts. Only now Putin is clearly not living up to their hopes of that time. Khodorkovsky just did not give money, but Berezovsky, Gusinsky, Smolensky and many of their other tribesmen did not give either, and Russia has long been resting from their worries.
      1. 34 region
        34 region 18 August 2016 15: 09
        0
        VKS! 11.49. Oligarchs cannot be considered a monolith either. Rather, one clan failed another through GDP. How many clans today and who are against whom, I do not know. But if the work of the government satisfies GDP, then everyone is in balance. And let's say DAM bias will lead the system to uncontrollable chaos.
        1. WKS
          WKS 19 August 2016 11: 21
          0
          There are no clans. All are biting with everyone.
  4. Altona
    Altona 18 August 2016 09: 37
    +6
    In principle, everything is painted correctly. But we still have many adherents of "good capitalism" who believe that this will certainly not affect them, all these painted horrors.
  5. with
    with 18 August 2016 09: 44
    +22
    About the bourgeoisie and the capitalists



    ... the capitalists are the sworn enemies of the workers, I must defeat the enemies
    to know them first of all.
    (“What do the capitalists want?” Vol. 3, p. 188.)

    Capitalists are not idle talkers. They are business people. They know that indigenous
    the question of revolution and counter-revolution is a question of power.
    (“What do the capitalists want?” Vol. 3, p. 188.)

    ... no doubt that the Russian big bourgeoisie has already organized itself in
    a separate class, it has its own local, regional and central organizations
    and can, according to a single plan, raise the capitalists to the whole of Russia to their feet.
    ("The class struggle" vol. 1, p. 280.)

    Salary reduction, increase in the working day, exhaustion
    the proletariat and the destruction of its organizations - such is the goal of a universal alliance
    capitalists.
    ("The class struggle" vol. 1, p. 280.)

    Salary increase, working day reduction, improvement of conditions
    labor, curbing exploitation and undermining the alliance of capitalists - this is the goal
    trade unions of workers.
    ("The class struggle" vol. 1, p. 282.)

    Capitalists have their own private professional interests.
    To ensure these interests exist their economic organization. But,
    in addition to private professional interests, they also have class-wide
    interests in strengthening capitalism. It is for the sake of these common
    Of interests they need political struggle and a political party.
    ("The class struggle" vol. 1, p. 282.)

    ... the oil industry wanted to confer and conclude a contract not with
    mass, not in front of the masses, but with a bunch of faces, behind the backs of the mass: they are good
    know that the only way to deceive the mass of thousands of oil
    workers.
    ("Meeting and workers" v.2 p.138.)
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    2. AID.S
      AID.S 18 August 2016 09: 58
      +2
      Neither reduce nor add ..
    3. Bloodsucker
      Bloodsucker 18 August 2016 10: 04
      +4
      Great comment.
      A screech from the anti-Soviet and anti-communists, if not measured.
  6. Indifferent
    Indifferent 18 August 2016 09: 44
    -2
    I don’t understand, but is it so important that it grows on nuclear firebrands?
    Capitalism on earth cannot end in another way! The author is too naive or does not understand much.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 18 August 2016 10: 48
      +4
      Quote: indifferent
      I don’t understand, is it really so important that it will grow on nuclear firebrands? Capitalism on earth cannot end in any other way!
      The author perfectly understands that before the "nuclear brains", neither Russian oligarchs nor transnational masters of the world capitalist system need them. Here the phrase of Zbigniew Brzezinski will explain everything to you "Russia can have as many nuclear suitcases and nuclear buttons as it wants, but since $ 500 billion of the Russian elite is in our banks, you still have to figure it out: is this your elite or ours already? I don't see a single situation in which Russia will use its nuclear potential."... Now there is really only one pole of power, and Russia entered it, picking up capitalism and accepting its world rules. There will be no "multipolar world" without the return of socialism. Capitalism is an absolute evil, a world virus, all the positive of which was lost with the emergence of transnational monopolies and the elimination of all competitors for leadership. If capitalism completes the process of total "electronic slavery", it will hardly be possible to stop it at all, and it will be possible to put an end to our civilization, in the understanding of humanism.
      1. vvv-73
        vvv-73 18 August 2016 12: 53
        +2
        Something is not taken into account in this logic. The capitalist elite is not united. Inside it there are competing clans, which, if necessary, can use the national map. So that the exchange of nuclear strikes in the case of severe intensification of competition is quite possible.
    2. alicante11
      18 August 2016 11: 10
      +1
      Capitalism on earth cannot end in another way! The author is too naive or does not understand much.


      What I don’t understand, don’t take into account? I'm really curious.
      1. dauria
        dauria 18 August 2016 12: 01
        +1
        What I don’t understand, don’t take into account? I'm really curious.


        You have done an excellent analysis of modern capitalism, plus an article ... But then what? Absolute monopoly capitalism on the scale of not even a country, but the entire planet? I do not believe ... Even according to Marx, socialism must smoothly ripen in the most developed countries. It is debatable of course.
        But here's the thing. In the unshakable and for centuries established Roman Empire appeared Spartacus ... At least therefore I do not believe ...
        1. alicante11
          18 August 2016 13: 37
          +1
          Absolute monopoly capitalism on the scale of not even a country, but the entire planet?


          So he ALREADY is. WTO, isn't it? Why is it malfunctioning now? Precisely because it has become ALL global.

          In the unshakable and for centuries established Roman Empire appeared Spartacus ..


          And ... The Roman Empire collapsed under his blows?
          1. dauria
            dauria 18 August 2016 16: 29
            0
            And ... The Roman Empire collapsed under his blows?


            No, of course, you yourself know. This is not about that. You draw a sort of pond with an established biosystem. Karasi and pikes, frogs, mosquitoes, snakes, ducks. And nothing can change. There will be an all-planet monopoly - and no more. Where did Emelian Pugachev come from then? What, he was prevented by serfdom and the lack of wage workers for his factory? After all, no ... And the Soviet Union does not just shrug it off. There was a country where people were people. Why did you appear? And why did you decide that in the future does not arise again? Yes, I agree with you, now the oligarchy and Putin are its specific part. But who said that everything will freeze on this?
            1. alicante11
              19 August 2016 08: 24
              0
              Where did Emelian Pugachev come from then?


              From where it appeared, there it sank.
              As for eternal monopoly, it cannot exist forever. He will eat himself and either degenerate or reboot capitalist society from the beginning, from the accumulation of capital.
  7. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 18 August 2016 09: 44
    +15
    Solid capitalism, even with a "human face".

    But interestingly, the markets are all divided; there’s nowhere to come from new - if only on the moon somewhere. Currency wars - all against all. Tariff wars; The WTO is more likely dead than alive. Militarism and an obsessive irremovable desire to bomb someone. How will it all end if capitalism is already at the highest stage; further development is not particularly where. Now there is no longer extensive development, but the liquidation of classical bourgeois institutions. Everything is completely eliminated or liquidated.

    Competition? Ha, no competition under the dominance of TNCs; only some cartel agreements that didn’t even lie nearby with the competition.
    Loan interest. Ha, yes, it is already negative and capital has lost the role of stimulus and engine of production.
    Free elections? Here is the hilarity; where are they? Maybe in the US, either Clinton or Bush is "freely" elected. True, Trump somehow got around here, but he will not be allowed to win. There will be a 2: 2 score - two Bush and two Clintons.
    Freedom of information and opinion? Well, that's only on the "1984" level. There is no Russia at all in the German Bild; everyone has it, but the Germans don't. Is this freedom of opinion?
    The family is ruined; nationalities are ruined, states are ruined; culture is ruined - isn’t hom-parades considered cultural events? - one decay and degradation.

    How will it all end?
    1. Bloodsucker
      Bloodsucker 18 August 2016 10: 05
      +6
      Every time capitalism fell into crisis, the world ended in WAR.
      The war for the redistribution of colonies, markets, the destruction of a competitor is capitalism, otherwise it cannot exist.
    2. alicante11
      18 August 2016 11: 15
      +2
      But interestingly, the markets are all divided; there’s nowhere to come from new - if only on the moon somewhere. Currency wars - all against all. Tariff wars;


      Namely, as I said, when there is no external food, capitalism begins to devour itself.

      Militarism and an obsessive irremovable desire to bomb someone.


      That's just amended, to bomb the one who does not bomb you in response. They don’t directly touch us.

      How will it all end if capitalism is already at the highest stage; further development is not particularly where.


      Capitalism must die. What can economic and social relations go into? I wrote. But in any case, the world elite will not find a better capitalism. Therefore, they will try to invent something that will allow them to extend this dying project.
    3. 34 region
      34 region 18 August 2016 15: 24
      0
      Gormengast! 09.44. It's not about wanting to bomb someone. This is secondary. Primarily, the desire to remove competition. Absolute power. That is the main thing. And the bombing is purely eliminating competitors in this way. Waiting for them to go broke is long and expensive. And the authorities want (really want) today and now. And about competition, this is generally laughter. What will be the competition in the event of globalization? It is completely by chance that the EU and WTO are created? In a theater with distributed roles will there be competition? Our oil well has already been allowed to compete. While snarling. Will we last long?
  8. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 18 August 2016 09: 54
    -1
    Capitalism is the same everywhere - its basis, the foundation is private property, the driving force is profit, the productive force is exploitation. Moreover, "capitalism" is just a system of economic relations accepted by society for its existence and no more. That is, "capitalism" is not a "primary" structure around which the whole society should "revolve", namely, it is simply the means of this very society, which it uses for life as the most convenient and understandable form of trade in the "commodity-money" system -product". The extent to which capitalism can be "attractive", to have, so to speak, a "human face" depends on the state structure and social relations. If capitalism is not controlled by anyone or anything, then we have "wild" capitalism, such as in the United States in the 19th century during the era of the "frontier", or as we have in Russia, in the 90s of the XNUMXth century. If capitalism is controlled by clans that have made their way to the upper echelons of power, then we will get capitalism as it is now in our country - "oligarchic". And if society does not lose the levers of control over the development of capitalist relations in its country and rules the country jointly taking into account the opinion of the majority, then we have a "Scandinavian" ("Swedish") type of capitalism. That's all.
    1. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 18 August 2016 11: 59
      +2
      Private property, so to speak, is thoroughly gnawed. On what basis does any court decide that Russia should pay 50 billion to thieves? But that's okay - the court is formally international. But when some American petty judge makes a decision against Argentina - how is it? And why ame-ry jerked Iranian money? And where is the Libyan money, interesting? Why are Iraqi historical relics anywhere but not in Iraq? What kind of property was this when Amer went into the museum and pulled off a golden mask, and then he peed in the room?

      Profit as a driving force for verification is no longer such. Profit is brought only by paper frauds (not operations). Since when is capitalist society based on services and all kinds of insurance? Where is the heavy industry? They seized Eastern Europe and eliminated industry in general in it; now there is discord and all reproach.

      But the operation has been preserved. But here is the question too. Here was the USSR - not the essence - good or bad. The bottom line is that it was a real alternative, real competition, real struggle for minds and hearts. Workers in the bourgeoisie (those who remained as a relic) whom should they thank for their high level of development? Now everyone around each other should - students until retirement pay off with educational loans; pensioners are amazed to see how their savings are melting; proud homeowners are shaking every day - and if some bank will burst, and if they will not remain in their old age without pants. Children live with parents up to 30 years old - do not raise their household; not those times. Fertility is falling - so soon some pensioners will remain sucking on their paws. And then all sorts of Satanists and Sodomites come and propagandize individualism and selfishness (and at the same time homosexuality).

      Was there a capitalist society? It was. Is there now? Unknown But the gloomy shadows of war again creep out of the corners, and people are already cautiously looking at the sky.
      1. vvv-73
        vvv-73 18 August 2016 12: 57
        +3
        It is still this very capitalist society. Only now it is not necessary to maintain social standards - there are no competitors. And therefore it - this society is rapidly degrading. And with it, the elite is degrading.
    2. Bashibuzuk
      Bashibuzuk 18 August 2016 12: 12
      0
      And all this, dear Monster-no-further_translate, leads capitalism to where Hitler took place.
      And also wrong.
      The process should be managed by the state.
      Drive hard. You can even say - cruel.
      Like - they let Deripaska steer - and in five years, at his expense. In Consumption.
      To not jump out. Like Hodor, for example.
      Slaves-on-galleys ... have a bad habit of conspiracy to speak, to raise a booze, to change overseers, forcefully or something like that. Unpredictable people in general.
      ...
      But the state is able to really set priorities, set goals.
      FORCING ... to development.
      True, there is also a reef on the reef and underwater rocks. The state itself must cleanse and mobilize itself - in the person of officials.
      What do we come to?
      To the dictatorship. Personal dictatorship.
      ...
      Still bad. Unpredictable. And it leads again to explosions. Catastrophes.
      ...
      Who is to blame and what to do?
      Tagged is to blame and we are all.
      And what to do - no one knows.
      It is a pity.
  9. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 18 August 2016 09: 55
    +6
    A hundred years ago, VIL wrote two wonderful articles, which are still relevant to this day - "Imperialism as the Highest Stage of Capitalism" and "The United States ... of Europe"! What the Author wanted to express with his article, I personally don't understand? or the Author decided to argue (oppose) the DAMA (2016), and earlier the GDP (2014), "that the limit on revolutions in Russia has been exhausted"? In my opinion, everything is just beginning - "let's celebrate the 100th anniversary of the Great October Revolution" ?! I don’t even want to discuss whether Putin is “only a hired manager” (“gazik 007”) or “the main capitalist-imperialist”! But the fact that "the collapse of capitalism is inevitable" and "everything will end with a social revolution" is described in detail in the MLF - it is impossible to avoid a social explosion by definition - antagonistic contradictions between classes and social groups are growing and will end in the victory of the majority, unfortunately, a morbid one? "Rob the loot and the expropriation of the expropriators", "we will destroy the whole world of violence to the ground, and then ... we will build ours, we will build a new world: who was nobody, he will stand up for everyone"? Unfortunately, are we stepping on the same "rake" as our grandfathers and great-grandfathers? The historical spiral, be it wrong - greed, greed for profit and stupidity of individual "effective managers of capitalism" and their lackeys are pushing the country into the abyss of the Civil War ???
    1. alicante11
      18 August 2016 11: 23
      +5
      What did the author want to express in his article, I personally do not understand?


      Well, in principle, the same as the WIL. He only specified that the highest degree is monopoly capitalism.

      or the Author decided to argue (oppose) the DAMA (2016), and earlier the GDP (2014), "that the limit on revolutions in Russia has been exhausted"?


      A revolution in Russia is impossible until the oligarchs want it. Or until they surrender to the West. And then they will not ask either GDP or DAM. Although, I hope that the GDP will still sell its life dearly, because it will not be left alive anyway.

      But the fact that "the collapse of capitalism is inevitable" and "everything will end with a social revolution" is described in detail in the MLF - it is impossible to avoid a social explosion by definition


      There can be no social explosion. If something explodes, it means someone set fire to a fuse or pressed a button. And only the elite can do this. Or a force that claims to be the elite. And any spontaneous appearances of the population will be eliminated by the security forces; they always have an advantage. They have organization and weapons and the ability to use it. The main problem of the security forces is to give the order on time.
      1. Kudrevkn
        Kudrevkn 18 August 2016 12: 14
        +2
        "The main problem of the security officials is to give the order in time"? Are you by analogy with 1991 (GKChP) or with the Yeltsin order of 1993? According to your logic, it turns out that the newly organized National Guard ("they have an organization and weapons and the ability to use them") will be able to withstand the Army and heavy weapons, say, during a military coup organized by Shoigu? Or protect the Guarantor in the Kremlin from its own FSO (FSB)? By no means are the oligarchs cowardly, because according to the VIL "they have something to lose" (?) In contrast to "the proletariat, which has nothing to lose except chains - shackles"? A social explosion can be spontaneous and provoked by the Power by its greed or inaction (legal lawlessness), "for being determines consciousness" !? But undoubtedly the rampant crime and disorder can be provoked (inflated) and "artificially" by the same oligarchs as in 1917 or in Chile in 1973?
        1. alicante11
          18 August 2016 13: 42
          +2
          "The main problem of the security officials is to give the order in time"? Are you by analogy with 1991 (GKChP) or with the Yeltsin order of 1993?


          Well, yes, it is possible to cite the Golden Eagle against maydaunov as an example.

          According to your logic, it turns out that the newly organized National Guard ("they have an organization and weapons and the ability to use them") will be able to withstand the Army and heavy weapons, say, during a military coup organized by Shoigu?


          The question is difficult, each has its own advantages and whoever knows how to use them will win. I'm talking about potheads. Who "defended" the White House in 91 and "cleaned up" the Maidan in 2014. They have no chance against the security forces.

          By no means are the oligarchs cowardly, because according to the VIL "they have something to lose" (?) In contrast to "the proletariat, which has nothing to lose except chains - shackles"?


          It is absolutely true, but they are not afraid of us, but of their colleagues from the West.

          A social explosion can be spontaneous and provoked by the Power by its greed or inaction (lawlessness), "for being determines consciousness"!


          A social explosion can only be inspired. You represent the level of organization that must be in order to be able to defeat the security forces. And what funds are needed for this?
  10. AlaskaKiD
    AlaskaKiD 18 August 2016 09: 55
    +2
    Eh, if only people understood this, otherwise there would be too little knowledge
  11. andr327
    andr327 18 August 2016 09: 56
    +12
    And according to me we are going to the slave system, or rather the bank owner. Banks buy a person for a loan and a mortgage and send him to get money in any way, that is, for a handout, bankers collect their daily bread, while not caring not about the maintenance of the credit slave, or about the development of production, social structure, etc. However, they puff out their cheeks before the state about their "most important" function.
    It touches me a lot when a huge factory with workshops, sophisticated equipment, working workers who produce goods sits without a penny, and a fat banker with a computer without anything real at heart, but only redirecting virtual money in one direction or the other (where a large percentage already real money can be torn off) bathe like a cat in oil. Such uncle Vasya is a plumber who sits by the tap and may or may not open. Rather, current capitalism would call bankolism.
    But actually it’s worth rereading the work of V.I. Lenin. A lot has been written about the present life.
    1. Igor V
      Igor V 18 August 2016 11: 21
      +4
      While TNCs and Deripaska are equipping themselves with a paradise life, usurious capitalism operates a little lower. The huge plant has long been planted on interest, and when the banks receive any signal, they will instantly go bankrupt. This, it seems to me, is the main feature of our capitalism. Outside our borders, there is no such bank interest.
      Now it is increasingly seen that the leadership can play out before the 17th year. But analogies are inappropriate here, since there is no guiding and organizing force. It would be better if the leadership took some steps to change the foundations of the economy.
    2. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 18 August 2016 12: 03
      +4
      Yes, bank slavery is very relevant today. No one will write off debts; all will be torn off as sticky; they will not forgive anything.

      not caring about the content of the credit slave, nor about the development of production, the social structure


      But this is perfectly said.
  12. SPACE
    SPACE 18 August 2016 09: 57
    -1
    In order to see the inferiority of Russian state capitalism, it is enough to compare the actions of the leaders of the states - Hitler and Putin. Hitler could hold his state in his hands until his death in the crucible of complete defeat and defeat, which suggests that the German rich, although influencing the distribution of profits, were nevertheless subordinate to central authority. While Putin has “not the 37 year”, he cannot curb the appetites of domestic oligarchs and cannot even change the clearly failed liberal economic policy by opposing their interests. What makes us understand: Putin is only a hired manager, as he put it, "a slave on galleys."

    Absolutely incorrect understanding of reality by the author, and the comparison of Hitler with Putin, so generally complete dibilism. The central government is eternal and changes faster, that’s the problem, than the oligarchs. Created and correctly oriented, controlled by the current Power, oligarchs, those who seek absolute independence, including from outside, and this is the most important thing. The only ones who can positively control the moment of transfer of power in their state, giving them guarantees and infinite freedom, and the state sovereignty. They just do not need either Americans with Jews and in general the current Western world order imposed from outside with a global external manager. Putin is doing the right thing, allowing them to grow up and providing support, this is his main forward guard, leading the main including economic war against a collective, but not homogeneous west.
    1. alicante11
      18 August 2016 11: 30
      +2
      Absolutely incorrect understanding of reality by the author


      What is wrong understanding? Specifically possible?

      and a comparison of Hitler with Putin is, in general, utter dibilism.


      And who compares them? They compare their ability to control the country's elite. Hitler could do this even in April 1945, but GDP could never. That's all. I don't like the comparison with Hitler, let's compare with Xi Jin Ping. Could there be a "Serdyukov Case" there? And Vasilyeva would have been lying with a bullet in her head by the verdict of the most humane Chinese court.

      The central government is eternal and changes faster, that’s the problem, than the oligarchs.


      Central authority is not eternal. This is the problem, the continuity of power is necessary.

      Created and correctly oriented, controlled by the current Power during the operation,


      Yes, no one oriented them. They themselves will whom you want to orient.

      They just do not need either Americans with Jews and in general the current Western world order imposed from outside with a global external manager


      True, they want to be themselves with a mustache.

      this is his main forward guard, leading the main including economic war against the collective, but not homogeneous west.


      Yeah, this "guard" has already surrendered their countries and their peoples more than once. Let's remember February 1917 in Russia, or the end of 1918 in Germany, it was the elites who merged their Sovereigns and their peoples. Such a guard is too unreliable. Although, of course, we don't have another one now.
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 18 August 2016 11: 58
        -1
        Quote: alicante11
        What is wrong understanding? Specifically possible?

        You do not understand what is the difference between temporary and permanent, the system is not the basis, but only a method.
        Quote: alicante11
        Yeah, this "guard" has already surrendered their countries and their peoples more than once. Let's remember February 1917 in Russia, or the end of 1918 in Germany, it was the elites who merged their Sovereigns and their peoples. Such a guard is too unreliable. Although, of course, we don't have another

        Not so simple, a monarchy, idiots among people and olegarchs.
        1. alicante11
          18 August 2016 13: 44
          +1
          You do not understand what is the difference between temporary and permanent, the system is not the basis, but only a method.


          And where does it? Actually, I was talking specifically about the system. It can change, the country remains (although not always).

          Not so simple, a monarchy, idiots among people and olegarchs.


          Honestly, I don’t understand what you wanted to say.
          1. SPACE
            SPACE 18 August 2016 19: 29
            0
            Any other country, one way or another, integrates into the existing world order, someone as a satellite, someone as an eternal donkey, etc., where the form of existence is secondary, as it is imposed on them from the outside, due to the need of the issuer, including traditions and history . In this regard, Russia is a special country, it is physically impossible to integrate, there are many factors, the main of which are its natural power and viability, forcing any elite who have come to power to play their game, mainly because of constant external pressure, in order to eliminate its power and independence.
            A temporary violation of the historical succession of power, occurring at the moments of the global transition process, due to a change in priorities, system, in the process of struggle for power, struck by the temporary stupidity of new successors.
  13. Begemot
    Begemot 18 August 2016 10: 06
    +3
    The article put a plus, although I do not agree with everything:
    For Europeans, the period of capital accumulation was more civilized and longer,
    This is someone like, for example, in England during the period of early capitalism under the policy of "fencing" hundreds of thousands of vagrants were executed, poverty, beggars simply because they, having lost their land, became poor and did not find work. It was enough to steal an apple to land on the gallows.
    1. alicante11
      18 August 2016 11: 47
      +1
      This is someone like, for example, in England during the period of early capitalism under the policy of "fencing" hundreds of thousands of vagrants were executed, poverty, beggars simply because they, having lost their land, became poor and did not find work. It was enough to steal an apple to fall on the gallows


      Naturally, they were executed in a civilized manner, like the French on the guillotine.
  14. EvgNik
    EvgNik 18 August 2016 10: 10
    +3

    A welfare state (German Sozialstaat) is a state whose policy is aimed at redistributing material wealth in accordance with the principle of social justice in order to achieve a decent standard of living for every citizen, smooth out social differences and help those in need.

    What I’ve been talking about for more than a year, and for which Mr. Alexander Romanov christened me a communist, not understanding the essence of the problem.
    Plus just for that, the rest needs to be considered separately.
  15. Saffron
    Saffron 18 August 2016 10: 10
    +2
    And in order to solve this deadlock of development, they need a mess, preferably global, preferably managed, after which they will forget about debts and there will be a new redistribution of everything, just some are not getting involved ...
  16. AID.S
    AID.S 18 August 2016 10: 16
    +3
    The present and future of capitalism, oddly enough, is shown in the fairy tale "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory." Hired workers, vegetating in disgusting living conditions, are reduced, replaced by robots, only a few manage to get a job repairing robots. the golden ticket "and then go through the sadistic selection of the crazy capitalist exploiting the" guest workers ".
  17. Kite
    Kite 18 August 2016 10: 42
    0
    To write so many words to ask again the question:
    How can the world capitalist experiment end?

    Did the author not notice the tendency for the market for hired biped / two-handed shrinking?
    Pondering this trend, we can offer more options for the future, including the extinction of the first vulnerable and then the most useless (.....)
    1. alicante11
      18 August 2016 11: 49
      0
      To write so many words to ask again the question:


      Well, so I answered him, brought options, incl. and your or close.
  18. Музыкант
    Музыкант 18 August 2016 10: 53
    0
    That there will be a global crisis of the Capitalist system is absolutely accurate.
    The problem is something else, in return. So far, all economic forms are somehow based on inequality and exploitation. Socialism is not working out yet. Will it be a very difficult question.
  19. Verdun
    Verdun 18 August 2016 10: 54
    +5
    I started reading the article and dropped it in the middle. The author, unfortunately, is trying to draw conclusions on the basis of incorrect, particular, premises taken out of context. The definition of socialism as a society where the means of production are state is impossible without designating the structure of the state itself. If the capitalist oligarchs are in power, then what difference does it make whether the means of production are in private or state hands? At the same time, socialism itself does not in any way reject the private owner as a manufacturer - at an early stage in Russia it was the NEP, later - the cooperative movement. But the power, at least nominally, belonged to the people, which means that it used both state and private means of production in the interests of the state as a whole, and not in its own. How can you talk about state capitalism in China when the Communist Party is in power? Yes, there are private producers there, but control over these producers, and very strict control, is exercised by the state. Capitalism, whatever it may be, is just one of the stages of development of society and the economy. With normal development, it probably would have already been passed. But the problem is that the oligarchs, who have concentrated in their hands both the means of production and political power, impede the development of human society in every possible way, forcing it to be distracted by solving often artificially created problems. After all, the whole mess with radical Islamists plays into the hands of the capitalists who want to preserve power, not only separating peoples, but also allowing them to tighten control over them. Therefore, if earlier it was possible to expect some shifts in the structure of society on the basis of economic changes, today it is political changes that come to the fore. Without changing the social structure, it became impossible to change the economic structure. And social change is always painful. Moreover, human history knows no examples of non-violent changes in the state system. Even if at the first stage the transformations take place peacefully, conflicts between the warring parties occur later. The question is, is this a reason to tolerate existing social inequality? At the same time, I would like to add that capitalism does not exist. The development of human society is subject to uniform laws and it is sheer idiocy to believe that they operate differently in the United States than in Russia or China.
    1. alicante11
      18 August 2016 13: 54
      0
      He began to read the article and threw it in the middle.


      Yes, on the move, they left earlier. I did not say anything about socialism in the article. And all the more, he did not define socialism.
      1. Verdun
        Verdun 18 August 2016 15: 41
        +2
        Quote: alicante11
        Yes, on the move, they left earlier. I did not say anything about socialism in the article. And all the more, he did not define socialism.

        You did not give a definition. But we started with the fact that
        I was prompted to write this article by a dispute with the Atalef user over which countries capitalism is and in which socialism.
        And since there was such a dispute, it means that one of the opponents relied on a certain definition of socialism. In my comment, I did not argue with you about socialism, but only outlined my position in order to clarify my point of view on the development of capitalism at the moment. For it is impossible to talk about some economic and social norms in complete isolation from others adjacent to them.
  20. bad
    bad 18 August 2016 10: 55
    -2
    Quote: guzik007
    Putin is just a hired manager, as he put it, "a slave in the galleys." True, having great rights and powers, but not having the ability to go beyond them.
    -------------------------------------------------- -----------
    ... With his statement, thus confirming the statement of Deripaska that it was the oligarchs who hired him to rule the country as a manager on shares.

    did you personally endorse his (V.V.P) contract with the oligarchs? or is your mind shorter than your speculation ...? and Deripaska is your authority? 7 ...
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 18 August 2016 13: 21
      +1
      Quote: bad
      did you (V.V.P) personally endorse the contract with the oligarchs?

      Dig yourself in the internet too lazy? You are welcome:
      //sheba.spb.ru/lit/biss/util-ru.htm
      http://droplak.ru/?p=354
      http://www.arsvest.ru/archive/issue756/economy/view12232.html
  21. Riv
    Riv 18 August 2016 10: 57
    +2
    The author tried to cram Capital into one article. The result was expected, that is, none. "Confusion in his head, he is terribly far from the people ..."
    1. alicante11
      18 August 2016 13: 58
      +2
      The author tried to cram Capital into one article.


      No, rather, in a series of articles, right there just about capitalism :).
      But seriously, I just decided to explain it in a popular way. And then statements like "Swedish socialism" or Brazilian socialism in general emerge. I'm not even talking about Venezuela, for some there is obvious socialism only because the socialists are in power and Chavez nationalized the oil industry.
      1. Riv
        Riv 18 August 2016 14: 01
        -2
        That's it ... "Popularly" ... And then the hamsters, to whom they explained everything in a popular way, discuss their prospects after a nuclear war.
  22. Irokez
    Irokez 18 August 2016 11: 04
    0
    Quote: Gormengast
    How will it all end?

    Listen to Wang.
    There will be a new world order and Wang’s said around which center he will be built.
    1. Lay
      Lay 18 August 2016 11: 21
      +2
      Yeah .. Look at the fences around you, there is also a lot of "said" ...
      1. AID.S
        AID.S 18 August 2016 16: 02
        0
        Quote: Leg
        Yeah .. Look at the fences around you, there is also a lot of "said" ...

        For humor-test, but aren't we all here "on the fence" writing?
  23. osoboye_mneniye
    osoboye_mneniye 18 August 2016 11: 11
    +3
    Whatever the day, new manipulations .. Well, the little article! Monopoly capitalism, state, wild ... we do not understand shit varieties. It’s like being a little pregnant.

    "First, let's look at the phenomenon of the so-called Swedish socialism. In Sweden (Norway, Finland) there is the right of private property and hired labor. So, there can be no talk of any socialism. But what about the great social guarantees laid down for the citizens of these countries? "In this regard, we can talk about the welfare state, and not about socialism. The omniscient Wikipedia says about the welfare state as follows."

    Yeah, and the wind is blowing because the trees are swinging! Good social guarantees in a capitalist state and a social state are two big differences. In a capitalist state, social guarantees are a kind of handout of the capitalists to the poor so that they do not spoil raspberries. And in a social state, social guarantees are a direct result of the labor of the whole society. Do you see the difference?
    In general, it’s not worth talking about the effectiveness of the Swedish model, if only because Sweden does not have an army capable of withstanding aggression, and therefore is not an independent state. Her wonderful model works exactly as long as she is allowed by the hegemon. And put on Sweden the burden of developing and maintaining an army capable of defending the state, and their entire super-economy will crumble. Even such giants as the USA and the USSR had a tight time during the Cold War. And here you are about Sweden ... funny.
    Next.

    "The welfare state (German: Sozialstaat) is a state whose policy is aimed at redistributing material wealth in accordance with the principle of social justice in order to achieve every citizen a decent standard of living, smoothing social differences and helping those in need."

    If the means of production are not owned by the state, but by capital, then there can be no talk of real redistribution of goods by the state. Due to the fact that the state simply does not dispose of these benefits.

    "You can also consider the phenomenon of the so-called state capitalism. Hitler's Germany was a good example of this variant of the capitalist system. Private property and wage labor are also present in this form of capitalism. But the state regulates relations between large capitalist groups (for example, engineering / aircraft corporations)."

    Yeah, of course, why do we need to study the question of when it’s possible to throw something horrible here, maybe they’re shy. But nothing that the fascist regime is a direct offspring of capital? The Nazis did not regulate anything. They received funds from the capitalists to occupy new markets. Read the Thyssen Krupp memoirs, for example. Everything is chewed there.
    1. alicante11
      18 August 2016 14: 01
      +1
      In a capitalist state, social guarantees are a kind of handout of the capitalists to the poor so that they do not spoil raspberries.


      So what am I talking about?

      . And in a social state, social guarantees are a direct result of the labor of the whole society. Do you see the difference?


      I see, only this is no longer a social, but a socialist state, or rather, a social socialist state.

      Yeah, of course, why do we need to study the question of when it’s possible to throw something horrible here, maybe they’re shy. But nothing that the fascist regime is a direct offspring of capital?


      And who is against?

      The Nazis did not regulate anything.


      If they hadn’t regulated, Hitler would have been taken out of the Reich Chancellery at the beginning of the 44. Already lifeless.
      1. osoboye_mneniye
        osoboye_mneniye 18 August 2016 18: 36
        -1
        Quote: alicante11
        In a capitalist state, social guarantees are a kind of handout of the capitalists to the poor so that they do not spoil raspberries.

        So what am I talking about?


        And you about the fact that this is not handouts, but a successful model of society.

        Quote: alicante11
        Yeah, of course, why do we need to study the question of when it’s possible to throw something horrible here, maybe they’re shy. But nothing that the fascist regime is a direct offspring of capital?

        And who is against?


        No one is against it. The capitalists, who cultivate fascism, which in turn divides the population into castes, certainly contribute to the formation of a state that brings social benefits to all citizens. Are you confusing anything? A socially oriented state, but not for everyone, but for the Aryans, that’s hilarious))) Ek where you brought ..

        Quote: alicante11
        The Nazis did not regulate anything.

        If they hadn’t regulated, Hitler would have been taken out of the Reich Chancellery at the beginning of the 44. Already lifeless.


        Still, read Krupp's memoirs ... for your own good. So far, you simply don’t see that the Nazis and the capitalists had just a deal whose goal was to dominate the Aryans and get the markets and resources by the capitalists. And the social program was regulated exactly enough so that they would not be taken out of the office. What kind of social state are we talking about ??

        I understand that you understand what I understand. And you understand that I understand what you understand. Therefore, my previous comment was addressed not to you, but to your audience. Well, you get the point.
        1. alicante11
          19 August 2016 06: 19
          0
          And you about the fact that this is not handouts, but a successful model of society.


          M-yes, I'm sorry, but where did I say this :(?

          apitalists who cultivate fascism, which in turn divides the population into castes, certainly contribute to the formation of a state that brings social benefits to all citizens. Are you confusing anything?


          Will you show WHERE I wrote this?

          I understand that you understand what I understand. And you understand that I understand what you understand. Therefore, my previous comment was addressed not to you, but to your audience. Well, you get the point.


          Honestly, I didn’t understand until I clarified.
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 25 August 2016 00: 54
      0
      How is the governance of the social state? Maybe he can create a country again, and then a hunchback comes and sells it for Shnobel lemon. You first tell how to protect the social state from the humpbacked. Verbal hero
  24. osoboye_mneniye
    osoboye_mneniye 18 August 2016 11: 11
    +1
    Everything else is in the same vein - about how a state that does not own the means of production and does not have the ability to control the profit from the exploitation of the means of production does something there in the interests of the population. Nonsense is complete.
    There is capital that owns the means of production. There is a state that can develop the tax system and labor legislation (if it can overcome the lobby of the capitalists) and manage only taxes, but not profits from the means of production and extraction of resources. The maximum that the state can do is take control of strategically important enterprises for state security. If the state goes further and takes control of something more, then a conflict of interests between the state and the capitalists will necessarily arise, which inevitably leads to a change of power.
    Or capitalism, or socialism. There is no other choice. All other systems are unstable. Therefore, you have to make a choice. Any option both ours and yours will be temporary.
    The author well understands the nature of capitalism as a market process, but he cannot at all link the interests of the market with the interests of the social state. Just because these interests are diametrically opposed to each other. If the author understood this, he would refrain from writing this article.
    1. alicante11
      18 August 2016 14: 03
      0
      The author well understands the nature of capitalism as a market process, but he cannot at all link the interests of the market with the interests of the social state.


      Thank you, but you do not confuse the social state and the socialist?
      1. osoboye_mneniye
        osoboye_mneniye 18 August 2016 18: 46
        0
        Quote: alicante11
        The author well understands the nature of capitalism as a market process, but he cannot at all link the interests of the market with the interests of the social state.


        Thank you, but you do not confuse the social state and the socialist?


        This is sophistry. You are talking about the fact that the capitalist state has interest and is able to provide social guarantees no worse than the socialist one. We proceed from this. Your question about what I am confusing has nothing to do with the matter in this case.
        1. alicante11
          19 August 2016 06: 20
          0
          This is sophistry.


          This is not sophistry, but different things.

          You are talking about the fact that the capitalist state has interest and is able to provide social guarantees no worse than the socialist


          Where do I say that?
  25. wladimir2016
    wladimir2016 18 August 2016 11: 22
    +1
    Something is all tricky, but only one thing seems clear - capitalism is a dead end for the development of the world, if socialism is not built, then the collapse of world civilization is not inevitable.
  26. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 18 August 2016 11: 27
    +2
    "The largest representative of state capitalism in the modern world, of course,
    is China, in which most of the large-scale production belongs to the state "///

    7 has been gone for years.

    In China, the share of state-owned enterprises in GDP is rapidly falling with each
    year. Only 25% of GDP was given to state-owned enterprises in 2015.
    The state essentially completely holds in its hands only power plants
    and the oil industry.
    In engineering, the state’s share does not exceed 15%.
    1. alicante11
      18 August 2016 14: 04
      0
      7 has been gone for years.


      An interesting fix. But, nevertheless, we must look deeper. What is the share of the state in enterprises, what is the share of medium and small enterprises, because we are talking only about large ones.
      1. Minato2020
        Minato2020 April 24 2019 02: 07
        0
        Quote: alicante11
        "... But, nevertheless, we must look deeper. What is the share of the state ..."

        Andrey Bortsov. Socialism without labels in different countries
        --- How do Russians relate to the USSR now?
        --- Socialism without labels: Third Reich
        --- Socialism without labels: China
        --- Socialism without labels: Sweden
        --- payroll
        --- Socialism versus capitalism
        --- Socialism without labels: Cuba
        --- Socialism without labels: Belarus
        --- Socialism without labels: against capitalism
        --- What is a factory in the USSR
        --- The capitalist manifesto
        Very clear protests -

        http://www.x-libri.ru/elib/borzv000/00000004.htm#a3
  27. Comrade Glebov
    Comrade Glebov 18 August 2016 11: 48
    +1
    "Based on the definitions, the two most important parameters that make it possible to speak about the capitalist system are the presence of private property" - I would add "the means of production."
    "Hitler could have held his own state in his hands ... Putin is only a hired manager" - and now try to put the latter next to Stalin, who was wiser, more cunning and in everything "more effective" than Hitler.
    "For the existence of a feudal system, an elite is needed, which is no longer legitimized by the capitalists' money, like the current pseudo-elite, but by" religion "," tradition ", etc." - oh, this is a run over the very "spiritual braces"!
    "The only thing that capitalism cannot come to is socialism" - it cannot come, so it will have to be brought))). Imagine, 2017, effective managers have been repressed, people are hanging Chubais on a pillar under the plaintive cries of liberals of all stripes, "the best minds and conscience of the country" have fallen as "innocent victims" of "bloody executioners" - State Duma deputies and ministers ... ...
    Article +++++
    1. alicante11
      18 August 2016 14: 08
      +2
      - and now try to put the latter next to Stalin, who was wiser, more cunning and in everything "more effective" than Hitler.


      And GDP with IVS was not near. I used to hope that he could at least get closer, but ...

      oh, yes, this is a run over the very "spiritual braces"!


      Yes, not a collision. We are still far from this and, IMHO, Orthodoxy cannot become the religion of a new feudalism.

      Imagine, 2017, effective managers have been repressed, people are hanging Chubais on a pillar under the plaintive cries of liberals of all stripes, "the best minds and conscience of the country" have fallen as "innocent victims" of "bloody executioners" - State Duma deputies and ministers ... oh, dreams, dreams ...


      Yes, I would love to introduce it. But ... dreams are impossible, unfortunately.
  28. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 18 August 2016 11: 51
    0
    "In the worst case scenario, the collapse of civilization can lead to a slave
    and the primitive communal system. The only thing capitalism cannot come to is socialism.
    Well, judge for yourself, would a monopolist-oligarch want to share money and power with his employees? "////

    He sort of analyzed it seriously, but some conclusions are childish ... sad
    Capitalism can quite easily come to a social state, because
    it is beneficial to him. If people on the social network are poor, but they will not be able to buy goods
    capitalists. What will result in bankruptcy for them. Therefore capitalists are interested
    to unfasten large sums of money on social programs. This money will then be returned to them in the form of payment
    for the goods bought by people of these capitalists.
    Capitalists are also interested in sharing profits with workers, because then it rises
    the interest of employees and increases labor productivity in firms.
    What is beneficial to the capitalist.
    The combination of private property in industry and the state, where its role is in the strict collection of taxes
    and their transfer to subsidized education, subsidized medicine and social assistance
    to the weak strata of the population — this is the normal development of capitalism. Well, the army, the police, of course.
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    2. alicante11
      18 August 2016 14: 15
      +2
      Capitalism can quite easily come to a social state


      To the social - it is possible, but not to the socialist.

      Capitalism can quite easily come to a social state, because it is beneficial to it.


      At a certain point, yes. But under monopoly capitalism already - no.

      If people on the social network are poor, but they will not be able to buy goods
      capitalists.


      Where will they go? Do you need to eat, drink, dress? And here we also do not forget the advertisement.
      Your statement is refuted even by credit craziness. Well, I can’t afford a new afon, but I still buy and pay will be 2 times longer than I will play with it.

      This money will then be returned to them in the form of payment
      for the goods bought by people of these capitalists.


      They will return already. They can simply return from the sale of cars and apartments, or they can from the sale of food and clothing. The second is better because it is cheaper in cost.

      Capitalists are also interested in sharing profits with workers, because then it rises
      the interest of employees and increases labor productivity in firms.


      Again, at a certain stage. Under market capitalism. Under a monopoly, people simply have nowhere to go. Either starve to death or work for rations.

      The combination of private property in industry and the state, where its role is in the strict collection of taxes
      and their transfer to subsidized education, subsidized medicine and social assistance
      to the weak strata of the population — this is the normal development of capitalism.


      This is ideal, but if the large owners have enough money to buy the management of the "tough tax", then they can shift this burden onto the small owners and their employees. Which also contributes to the destruction of the system.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 18 August 2016 19: 59
        0
        "Under a monopoly, people simply have nowhere else to go. Either die of hunger or work" for rations. "

        Now the number of freelancers, small entrepreneurs in the high-tech industry, is growing rapidly.
        Programmers, DBAs, analysts, project managers work for themselves, agreeing together
        design, temporarily. No monopolies can stop them, like productivity
        their labor is several times higher than in large corporations. And they can offer a price
        lower, anyway having more profit. So there is a way out. Only need to be dynamic,
        do not wait for the weather by the sea.
        1. alicante11
          19 August 2016 06: 22
          0
          Now the number of freelancers, small entrepreneurs in the high-tech industry, is growing rapidly.


          Once the number of stores grew, but now trading networks are eating up. The same will be with high-tech freelancers.
        2. Freeman
          Freeman 19 August 2016 09: 00
          0
          voyaka uh IL Yesterday, 19:59 ↑
          Now the number of freelancers, small entrepreneurs in the high-tech industry, is growing rapidly.
          Programmers, DBAs, analysts, project managers work for themselves, organizing themselves together as a project, temporarily.


          It seems to me that you are describing "startuper" and not "freelancers". "Startupers" create a project (product) mainly with the aim of selling it to a larger corporation.
          A "freelancer" is a "day laborer" - a "homeworker".
  29. Borus017
    Borus017 18 August 2016 11: 52
    -2
    Article plus. The question of capitalism / socialism looks in a general way in my opinion as follows: capitalism implies the concentration in our hands of economic, informational and leverage. Moreover, the emphasis is on economic, and in the future, information leverage as reliance on power is characteristic of pre-capitalist societies. With the concentration of power / capital in the same hands and fierce competitive motivation nothing but capitalism will work - socialism will remain a fiction, as it happened in the USSR. Abolishing private property and socializing everything is not an option. The modern vector of development - increased competition at all levels, continued atomization of society - as a result, a constant sluggish war of all against all for a piece of bread, the abolition of the value and moral guidelines of the previous era as unnecessary. The mistake of the formational approach, in my opinion, is that history is made by people, and not by "irresistible mechanisms of history." It is people with their values, ideals and ideas. A fair society is necessary build, and for a specific project, step by step, purposefully and long. It itself will never arise, worse than that - a change in the modern worldview and values ​​further leads civilization away from it.
  30. sinys
    sinys 18 August 2016 11: 59
    +3
    That is why Lenin made a revolution! He was a hundred times right!
  31. fif21
    fif21 18 August 2016 12: 03
    +2
    Article sample of the substitution of concepts! Germany from the time of Adolf capitalism? - Fascism! PRC capitalism? Transition period! And pearl is different capitalism- laughing In different countries, workers asserted their rights in different ways, and the result of their struggle is different. RF- transition period, the pendulum can swing both in one direction and in the other direction! And if the owners and owners do not understand that the people working for them should be given a normal life, then they will rake in full. In Russia, there is as yet no force capable of leading a protest movement in defense of its rights by workers. request So far, for the greed of the owners, their six masters, foremen, superintendents, are paying ... angry Kill them and beat. And didn’t you know?
    1. Rivares
      Rivares 18 August 2016 16: 40
      -1
      Quote: fif21
      In Russia, there is as yet no force capable of leading a protest movement in defense of its rights by workers.

      By 1917, foreign masters had created quite such forces, as they created in 2014 protest forces in defense of their "rights" by the Ukrainians.
      Until recently, the resources of our country belonged to the rulers, so there were no protests. Now the situation has changed a little)
    2. romex1
      romex1 19 August 2016 02: 57
      -1
      hear, you're quiet about the sixes. if he himself was not able to learn and work as a foreman or foreman, it is better to close your mouth. take a shovel and dig a trench forward.
  32. then
    then 18 August 2016 12: 09
    +1
    Capitalism is not a socio-economic formation (TSB is lying, money existed before capitalism) and not a production system (OFS is also lying, production is an organizational and technological aspect). Capitalism, as the author instantly mentions about a social state, is distribution system (assignment) of material goodsbased on private property. It follows that, as a distribution system, capitalism must come with another distribution system. But what and how, this is another question.
  33. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 18 August 2016 12: 32
    +1
    I really liked the lectures on Andrei Ilyich Fursov's capitalism. For those interested, I recommend spending a few hours listening. The presentation style, in my opinion, is simply incomparable! And the whole essence is revealed just superbly. It is a pity that in the Soviet school this phenomenon was taught to us somewhat one-sidedly.
  34. fif21
    fif21 18 August 2016 13: 11
    +1
    You go through the forest with your lectures! If I work, then I should live normally! And here they are powdering my brains. You will not be full of lectures, as well as false promises of a "bright future" am
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 19 August 2016 10: 02
      +1
      fif21 (9) RU Yesterday, 13:11
      If I work, then I should live normally!


      At the end of the 19th, beginning of the 20th century, the wage worker worked for 12-14 hours. And what, did he live normally?

      Anecdote:
      - If you work well, you will earn on a car, an apartment and a spa vacation.
      - BUT NOT YOURSELF!


      But you do not seem to want to understand this.

      You walk in the forest with your lectures!
  35. rotor
    rotor 18 August 2016 13: 23
    0
    How can the world capitalist experiment end?


    The use of industrial robots can reduce labor costs.

    It will end up there will be no one to exploit, people will soon be replaced by machines. And no matter what kind of education an employee has, robots will replace everyone.
    1. Igor V
      Igor V 18 August 2016 16: 43
      0
      And what is "economy output"?
      1. rotor
        rotor 18 August 2016 19: 52
        0
        The cost of all final goods and services produced in the country for the year.
  36. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 18 August 2016 15: 21
    0
    Article plus. The desired topic has been raised. And we have a social state. Have you not noticed? bully
    Article 7 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation
    1. The Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions that ensure a decent life and free development of a person.
    1. Rivares
      Rivares 18 August 2016 16: 42
      +1
      Quote: vladimirvn
      1. The Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions that ensure a decent life and free development of a person.

      Tell pensioners about this, make the old people laugh)
  37. fa2998
    fa2998 18 August 2016 18: 48
    +1
    Quote: Taram Taramych
    The president is the guarantor of the constitution and is limited by it. Any action by the guarantor that violates the "letter of the law" puts an end to its legitimacy.

    Article 3.3 "The highest direct power of the people is a referendum .."

    How many referendums have been held under Putin? About "free elections" - laughter and nothing more!
    Article 19.1 "All are equal before the law and court"
    Well, this is so one for billions of thefts, bribes, or a drunk rammed a stop, a suspended sentence and a ridiculous fine, and pardon for the holiday is OWN. And others, for a bag of potatoes and 2 chickens, are real terms and sit until the "call" is SLAVES ! request hiDo you need PC examples? And then I have a dozen for each category. Well, we put a "cross"! hi
  38. Freeman
    Freeman 19 August 2016 10: 16
    0
    Quote: Rivares
    Quote: vladimirvn
    1. The Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions that ensure a decent life and free development of a person.

    Tell pensioners about this, make the old people laugh)


    The constitution says about a person - one man! (sarcasm) lol
  39. gladcu2
    gladcu2 24 August 2016 19: 48
    0
    Good article. The author as a whole described the picture correctly. I would like to briefly supplement and object.

    Capitalism is a form of distribution of resources that justifies the impoverishment of the vast majority with the enrichment of units.

    The country is often confused with the state. In fact, the country consists of 3 major components, in addition to geography. This is a state, large private capital and people. In a socialist state, large private capital is absent.

    The merger of the state and big capital is the highest form of capitalism imperialism.
    The merger of the state, big capital and people, under the ideology of national superiority, is fascism.
    The state as the sole owner of the means of production is socialism, although it is appropriate to call monopoly capitalism. Moreover, the social system is characterized by an excellent form of redistribution of material values.

    Can capitalism become socialism? Can.

    With a strong state and a unified education system.
  40. loaln
    loaln 25 August 2016 18: 52
    0
    Can economic relations in the Russian Federation be called capitalism?


    Standard demagogic phrase. But this only becomes clear from the context.
    As well as the term "collapse of the USSR". Since when did the change of the state system in the state come to be called collapse?
    Yes, from the time when apologists for the first question appeared.
    The social system is determined by the relationship of strata (classes) to productive forces. AND EVERYTHING! The rest is lies and chatter. Just like the above "collapse" is a counter-revolutionary coup d'etat. And nothing else. What is he like? Creeping, gradual, phased, have no meaning to its essence.
    Well, if you don’t engage in chatter. As in this note.