Fire in space ... or build yourself a new station? Why Americans hysteria ...

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Prelude

Russia has offered to reduce its astronauts to the International Space Station (ISS) from three to two. Moscow informed its partners that it intends to save money in the context of a limited budget for space research, reports Radio Liberty.

The representative of the United States National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) said Kenneth Todd 15 August that Russia has committed to support the current program until at least 2024 years, but NASA worried about possible risks in case of reduction of the ISS staff.

"We will confront everything that can add risk to the program. First of all, the risk for our crew on board and the station itself," said the former American astronaut.


Oleg Divov have a wonderful story, "The era of great temptations." The story begins like this:
Roznov pressed Allen to the wall, and Kuchkin with pleasure lashed the American in the face. In the distance, Schulte was hanging out and he was nudating something about non-comradely behavior and the loss of team spirit - and to whom it refers, he did not specify. The Russians understood the boss as they thought it was more convenient: they swapped places, and now Rozhnov piled the astronaut on the first number ...


The plot of the plot development was that in a crisis situation, while the Russian cosmonauts were fighting for the life of the station, the American was dumped into a descent module. No, this post is not about national hatred, guys. The fact is that this episode is based on a real case.

In the training of American astronauts there is no such thing as a BZZH (submariners startled and crossed themselves), or - repair of space technology right on the spot. Soviet and later Russian cosmonauts had to repeatedly repair equipment directly in orbit. So, they restored the "deceased" station Salyut-7, for which they had to on a ship with it installed tank (!) range finder to make a unique docking with the station, rotating simultaneously on two axes, and they did it, of course - in manual mode. Then they had to work inside the station with the air conditioning turned off (frost, like in the Arctic Circle), checking cable routes and disconnecting all temporarily unnecessary equipment, and not a single signalman dreamed of installing cable systems on spacecraft, and they did it minus the degrees in an unventilated atmosphere.

Just imagine - in minus forty, stick your fingers in gloves through the cable harness, unscrew the thumb-sized connector, pull it out, ring one contact, and then push it into place and screw it, and so many times ...

Then they turned on the power from the solar panels, turned on the life support system and the orientation system, everything started, they oriented the station, and then, gradually, within a few days, only the situation at the station returned to a suitable person for stay ...

Yes, so, against the backdrop of such exploits was one episode. 23 February 1997 of the year on the space station MIR ignited the oxygen checker. Here the submariners, startled by the abbreviation “BZZH”, started again, for what is the fire of the oxygen checker — they also know, and this is the most terrible thing, probably, in the sense of a closed-volume fire. So, while Russian cosmonauts fought for the life of the space station, an American ...

Video about this episode ...



So, returning to the note that served as the source of this post.

You see, guys, the ISS is a very large and complex structure. And among other things, critically dependent on numerous systems, some of which break quickly, and some - a little later, but also break. And there is no one to repair all this economy, except the Russians.

Shit all the masters, but to make a normal space toilet, by the way, can only be in Russia ...

The reduction of the Russian presence from three astronauts to two means that the Americans will have to take over some of the work on the current maintenance of the station. And they do not know how ...

Now let's see this. If the Russians leave this station, they will independently make another for themselves. Because they can. And if the Americans have to leave the station, for them it will be the end of the manned cosmonautics in general. Because there will be no place to fly, understand?
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  1. +141
    August 17 2016
    "And there is no one to repair all this economy, except for the Russians."

    We know this from the documentary "Armageddon". Yes
    1. +65
      August 17 2016
      Quote: Vladimirets
      We know this from the documentary "Armageddon".

      laughing And Andropov there 2 (!) Times in a critical situation repaired the Amer’s equipment.
      1. +36
        August 17 2016
        Quote: Corsair
        And Andropov there 2 (!) Times in a critical situation repaired the Amer’s equipment.

        smile
        1. +5
          August 17 2016
          translation is not original (licensed is better)
        2. +8
          August 18 2016
          laughing good Exactly!!!
          I just watched another Hollywood "masterpiece" yesterday, so there was one moment that made me laugh, a voice-over (when America refused to support the ISS program, the station had to be flooded!) so all astronautics rests on amers))))))))) )))))
          1. +3
            August 18 2016
            that's exactly what "holds" - because they can print as many bucks as they want, and for the bucks they will hire a Polish plumber, or a Ukrainian
        3. WKS
          +3
          August 19 2016
          For some reason this "Russian" Leo has a typical Jewish physiognomy. Is this how an American director imagines Russians?
      2. +21
        August 17 2016
        Just imagine - in minus forty, stick your fingers in gloves through the cable harness, unscrew the thumb-sized connector, pull it out, ring one contact, and then push it into place and screw it, and so many times ...
        -------------------------
        To the author of a big plus sign with a small minus sign: was it weak to recall the names of the heroes? I only remember Janibekov unfortunately.
        1. +2
          August 18 2016
          For the sake of justice, minusik refers to the person who otpepostil this material here, although indicated by the above case are indicated in the film
        2. +4
          August 18 2016
          In principle, enough. Dzhanibekov also had a nickname - super cosmonaut. For such repairs here.
        3. +3
          August 18 2016
          Quote: guzik007
          I only remember Janibekov unfortunately.

          Onboard engineer with Vladimir Dzhanibekov was, if my memory serves me right, Oleg Volkov.
        4. +6
          August 18 2016
          List of cosmonauts of the USSR:
          1961 Yuri Gagarin, German Titov
          1962 Andriyan Nikolaev, Pavel Popovich
          1963 Valery Bykovsky, Valentina Tereshkova
          1964 Boris Egorov, Vladimir Komarov, Konstantin Feoktistov
          1965 Pavel Belyaev, Alexei Leonov
          1968 George Beregovoi
          1969 Vladislav Volkov, Boris Volynov, Victor Gorbatko, Alexey Eliseev, Valery Kubasov, Anatoly Filipchenko, Evgeny Khrunov, Vladimir Shatalov, George Shonin
          1970 Vitaly Sevastyanov
          1971 Nikolay Rukavishnikov
          1973 Peter Klimuk, Vasily Lazarev, Valentin Lebedev, Oleg Makarov
          1974 Yuri Artyukhin, Lev Dyomin, Gennady Sarafanov
          1975 George Grechko, Alexey Gubarev
          1976 Vladimir Aksyonov, Vitaly Zholobov, Vyacheslav Zudov, Valery Rozhdestvensky
          1977 Yuri Glazkov, Vladimir Kovalenok, Valery Ryumin
          1978 Vladimir Dzhanibekov, Alexander Ivanchenkov, Yuri Romanenko
          1979 Vladimir Lyakhov
          1980 Leonid Kizim, Yuri Malyshev, Leonid Popov, Gennady Strekalov
          1981 Victor Savinykh
          1982 Anatoly Berezova, Svetlana Savitskaya, Alexander Serebrov
          1983 Alexander Alexandrov, Vladimir Titov
          1984 Oleg Atkov, Igor Volk, Vladimir Solovyov
          1985 Vladimir Vasyutin, Alexander Volkov
          1987 Alexander Viktorenko, Alexander Laveikin, Anatoly Levchenko
          1988 Musa Manarov, Anatoly Solovyov
          1989 Sergey Krikalev, Valery Polyakov
          1990 Alexander Balandin, Gennady Manakov
          1991 Anatoly Artsebarsky, Toktar Aubakirov, Victor Afanasyev

          This is just, I will draw the attention of the USSR, and TOTAL SEEMS 120 PEOPLE.
          It says about space toilets, but it doesn't say how many other discoveries Americans have copied, licensed, and released under their own brand.
          I will not list it, but when you go to the store and see household appliances, you can safely say that 70% are developments of the USSR and Russia
          1. +1
            August 22 2016
            yeah, remember the old bike: the Americans spent a few million bucks. to make a pen that would write in space (usually when you hold it with the ball down, it stops writing) ours did not bother and took an ordinary pencil, in my opinion a chemical one)))
        5. +3
          August 21 2016
          As far as I can remember, "Jan" had Oleg Makarov. Also a legend, an Engineer with a capital letter, could find the cause of any failure and eliminate it brilliantly. The working conditions were really hellish. The first day until the ventilation system was established from the Soyuz, I had to work in an insulating gas mask
    2. +12
      August 17 2016
      Yeah, especially translated from Shura Karetnogo wassat
      1. +38
        August 17 2016
        Fun near space:
        5 May 2016

        British astronaut Tim Peak feared that he would be thrown on the ISS, reports the Daily Mail. But British Deputy Foreign Secretary Tobias Ellwood assured that Vladimir Putin promised him to take care of the astronaut.
        But, as British Deputy Foreign Minister Tobias Ellwood assured members of Parliament, Vladimir Putin promised that Major Peak would not be thrown to the ISS. Ellwood, a friend of the astronaut, talked to the Russian president during the European Games in Baku and asked him to take care of “one of his friends who will have to use Russian transport” and who is worried that “he’ll get stuck at the end point of his journey and cannot return.”

        "Mr. Putin grabbed my hand and said:" Mr. Ellwood, tell Mr. Peak that we will not leave him, "says the British politician, who believes that everything indicates that, despite all the contradictions, it is possible to work with Russia.



        Comments from readers on the site dailymail.co.uk:

        thebestcounty: Yes, yes. The Russians will definitely leave him at the space station, but they will go much further - they will leave him right in space, tying them with a leash to the orbiting space capsule.

        Ishkandar: British politicians -: “We will not lift the sanctions against Russia until it falls apart !!!” Tim Peak: “Oh no !!! But what about me, here, upstairs ??? ”


        Tonyp: Now anti-Putin propaganda has reached completely ridiculous proportions.

        George Mach: Leave in space? I wonder how far the West will go in its madness. This is beyond understanding! It’s good that ordinary Britons understand that Tim is completely safe.

        Tonyp in response to George Mach’s comment: This is not the whole West, George, and certainly not the British people, just a bunch of idiots, you understand ... Russia should be our ally against the REAL threat to peace.

        davidlee52: NASA and others, do not try to deceive us. There is no ISS, all these pictures are computer graphics.
        1. +13
          August 17 2016
          Lord, who are we dealing with, yes, they are terminally ill, are still planning to fly to Mars somewhere, and are afraid of being left near Earth.
          1. +1
            August 18 2016
            And get from the station on foot? or hitchhiking.
            1. 0
              August 18 2016
              will become with them!
            2. +3
              August 18 2016
              It is not possible on foot, there will not be enough diapers, but hitchhiking, they have already tested for the first time in the world, albeit from a height of 7 meters. These, seriously think that we are capable of leaving a person to their fate. We, Russians (and abroad , we are all with you, RUSSIANS, OF THAT I am proud), UNDER CONSCIOUSNESS, SELFNESS. Everyone admires the "green men" in Crimea, and I admire the "green men" or otherwise they call her "ATTACK OF THE DEAD", read:

              https://topwar.ru/80188-ataka-mertvecov-k-100-letiyu-podviga-zaschitnikov-krepos
              ti-osovec.html
              1. +1
                August 19 2016
                Unfortunately, the British are not people, but just humanoid, owning articulate speech and using it to the detriment of everyone. Here's my word of honor, let our conductor fly to the ISS and ask for the Brit to show a return ticket. No? Come out.
                1. +2
                  August 20 2016
                  what is so difficult. ours sit in the lander and when the Saxons tuck in there, ask them to show a return ticket, showing their pre-printed one. face of these Saxons show on YouTube. and say in Hollywood - I'm so sorry!
          2. +6
            August 18 2016
            Quote: varov14
            Lord, who are we dealing with, yes, they are terminally ill, are still planning to fly to Mars somewhere, and are afraid of being left near Earth.

            Well, why do you think Ukraine was seized? That's just right for a Mars "mission" as THEY like to say. The plan was as follows. The ship has a dozen valiant American astronauts. All those (well, except for the black unemployed hijacker, who was hired because he understands something in some kind of postings), which the site does not allow to name. Live broadcast of the flight, advertising, all business, money flows like a river, interesting gender adventures are happening between astronauts, someone undergoes sex reassignment surgery right next to the captain's bridge (the captain's console is always busy with someone else's fifth point), etc. etc.
            Well, the flight is provided by three Ukrainians, tightly welded in a compartment with the inscription "reactyr".
            But, as you know, everything failed. It turned out that there are no and cannot be astronauts among patients with Ukrainians, and you cannot make Russians into the tank. That look, the welders themselves will go under the autogenous ... Zrada in general.
          3. +4
            August 18 2016
            You are wrong to be ironic, because Russia is still, "exporting American things. Americans still cannot create a" simple "toilet. Flying on their ships, they used diapers. Now imagine if Russia refuses joint programs, HOW MUCH DOES DIAPERS NEED TO BE CARRIED OUT? , while limiting the weight load.
            1. +1
              August 18 2016
              But what if Russia sells its share of the ISS to the Chinese, or begins to carry the Afghan Taliban there?
            2. 0
              August 21 2016
              Why diapers if there are long T-shirts?
    3. +17
      August 17 2016
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "And there is no one to repair all this economy, except for the Russians."

      We know this from the documentary "Armageddon". Yes

      smile

      Exaggerated. The Americans are afraid for the Russian units, since it is really neither a replacement nor documentation or advice to get m. and they won’t be able to.

      With regards to repairing in orbit, there was Apollo 13 and not in orbit, but the devils where they were picking their junk no worse.

      We will be honest.
      1. +8
        August 17 2016
        That's it. It is strange that someone was allowed into space and not taught to handle equipment.
        1. +8
          August 17 2016
          I read and watched the film with great interest. Thank you so much good Having fixed so many leaks on the tubes and it is not known how many of these holes are approaching (especially after the impact) it is not surprising that they were taken off the orbit. I used to think that the WORLD project was ruined and now everything is clear, the wear and tear of the equipment. There would be more such articles here on V.O.
      2. +42
        August 17 2016
        Quote: iConst
        With regards to repairing in orbit, there was Apollo 13 and not in orbit, but the devils where they were picking their junk no worse.

        We will be honest.

        Let's be honest! The Americans have never had any orbital station! For the simple reason that they could not.
        Apollo 13 in orbit was a maximum of several days, and not 14 years as our World. And these are two big differences!
        If the Americans themselves could do everything, do you really think that the Americans invited us to the ISS project?
        1. +5
          August 17 2016
          The Americans had a Skylab station. True, there was a sea of ​​gimor with it - when taking off, one solar battery came off, the cooling system failed, something with an orientation, etc., etc. And they repaired themselves! Flew away about 5 years.
          1. +8
            August 17 2016
            Flew away for about 5 years.


            Where did it fly? laughing Poor world, poor ISS, they still have children with diarrhea until Skylab, a hundred years. And damned Americans are hiding technology, bastards. Specially, to annoy the Russian wedmed men. Neither to myself nor to people. All the best to classify, and to show figs.
            1. +6
              August 17 2016
              Quote: Asadullah
              Where did it fly?

              Launched on May 14, 1973, took three expeditions on Apollo ships from May 1973 to February 1974, left orbit and collapsed on July 11, 1979.
              1. +5
                August 18 2016
                That is, Skylab flew off less than six months. The rest of the time, a dead piece of metal hung in orbit. There was virtually no station.
          2. +17
            August 17 2016
            The Americans had a Skylab station.
            ----------------------------------
            What do you know for skyleb?
            at a time when our salutes were working out full-fledged scientific programs, these, due to the lack of even a semblance of them, joyfully ran along the ceiling of the station, performing various somersaults with zero gravity for the amusement of America in the evening television shows.
          3. 2ez
            +5
            August 19 2016
            Quote from Wikipedia, reluctant to search more: "Meanwhile, increased solar activity led to a slight increase in atmospheric density at the height of the Skylab orbit, the descent of the station accelerated. The station's ascent to a higher orbit was impossible, since it did not have its own engine (ascent the orbits were carried out only by the engines of the docked spacecraft Apollo, in which the crews arrived at the station). The flight control center oriented the station to re-enter the atmosphere at 16:37 GMT on July 11, 1979. "
            From the same place: "Skylab" entered an almost circular orbit with an altitude of 435 km, solar panels on the ATM opened, but one SB on the station's body did not open, and the other came off. As the investigation showed, during the withdrawal from the station, the heat-insulating shield (which also performed the function of protection against meteorites [1]: 32) was torn off, which tore out one SB and jammed the other. Soon the temperature at the station began to increase catastrophically, reaching 38 ° C inside and 80 ° C on the outside. Skylab was left without power supply and without thermal regulation, and its operation was almost impossible. "In fact, an uncontrollable piece of iron with plastic was flying in space ...
            Pay attention to the phrase about the impossibility of lifting the station into a higher orbit due to the fact that it was without engines?! ...
            Continuation of the Marlezon ballet in the following quote from the same Wiki: "The launch of Skylab-2 was moved from 15 to 20, and then to May 25. In the meantime, measures were taken to reduce the temperature in the station: it was turned with its longitudinal axis to the Sun, to reduce the illuminated area. The astronauts conducted a series of docking drills in the new environment. "
            Attention, QUESTION FOR EXPERIENCES: "And how was the station turned with its longitudinal axis to the Sun"? Manually?
            And the last question: "If the station existed and functioned for 6 whole years, then why has it been visited by only three expeditions in 6 years?" Americans knew how to count money, know how, and continue to be able to!, because it is no secret that cosmonauts fly into space not only for peaceful purposes, and the defense industry at that time did not regret money for such projects, both in the USA and in the USSR.
            For comparison: "During the operation at the Salyut-6 station, 5 main crews and 10 visiting expeditions worked." She flew from 1977 to 1982, was de-orbited in connection with the launch of Salyut-7 into orbit ...
            PS Even on "Salyut-4", which turned out to be a completely unsuccessful project, there were 4 expeditions. There was a separate space toilet, which the Amers did not have, she flew for 2 years ...
        2. +2
          August 17 2016
          Quote: Stas157
          Let's be honest! The Americans have never had any orbital station!

          Your erudition is amazing!
          Skylab is the first and only national American orbital station designed for technological, astrophysical, biomedical research, as well as for Earth observation. Launched on May 14, 1973, took three expeditions on Apollo ships from May 1973 to February 1974, left orbit and collapsed on July 11, 1979.

          Length - 24,6 m, maximum diameter - 6,6 m, weight - 77 tons, internal volume - 352,4 m³. The height of the orbit is 434–437 km (perigee apogee), the inclination is 50 °.
          1. +11
            August 17 2016
            Quote: Bayonet
            Your erudition is amazing!
            Skylab - the first and only national American orbital

            Quote: Bayonet
            Launched on May 14, 1973, took three expeditions on Apollo ships from May 1973 to February 1974, left orbit and collapsed on July 11, 1979.

            Only three expeditions ?? Do not you think that this is critically small for a full-fledged orbital station! For comparison, 104 astronauts visited the World, while many stayed for many months! And what happened in 1979? Why did it end in failure? Is there really not enough money in the USA to maintain the station, as we have in zero? Why was there no continuation?
            Obviously, this was an unsuccessful project that ended without continuing!
            Therefore, the Americans bowed to us, with the proposal of the ISS project and with the demand to close the Mir station.
          2. +2
            August 18 2016
            Read Popov http://e-reading.club/book.php?book=45956 Very interesting about the "Heavenly laboratory"
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          1. +6
            August 17 2016
            Quote: villain
            Quote: Stas157
            Apollo 13 in orbit was a maximum of several days,

            If he was there. Like Skylab. Summarily, however. There was no one else, the Americans, there was no one else to confirm.

            Besides, how are they there, I apologize for the intimate question, went to the toilet? The diapers? ...
            1. +2
              August 18 2016
              Quote: PENZYAC
              Besides, how are they there, I apologize for the intimate question, went to the toilet? The diapers? ...

              About three months ago, on the Internet, a topic suddenly arose about the flights of Americans to the Moon, I read an article where our engineer from the space industry, I don’t remember his last name (sorry I didn’t save the article), cited facts that until 1987 the Americans had neither Apollo, nor there were no toilets on the "Skylbe", they appeared only on the "Shuttles", and then we borrowed the development methodology, restructuring. And before that, we went into diapers and put the whole thing in bags, and since there was no ice with tightness, that's all d * rmo often sailed around the ship and the station. Unlike Soviet cosmonauts for whom urine collectors were made individually for a specific organ.
        4. +1
          August 17 2016
          Quote: Stas157
          Apollo 13 in orbit was a maximum of several days,

          If he was there. Like Skylab. Summarily, however. No one but the Americans was there anymore, no one to confirm. No one, except them, received signals from Jupiter, Saturn, and even more so, from Pluto, meaning Voyagers, Pioneers and New Horizons.
          Says candidate mat. Sciences V. Ivanov:
        5. +2
          August 18 2016
          You're not right. The Americans had the only Skylab station. By the way, there the Americans were repaired from the heart! First, repairs were done in the extreme north. And next time they made repairs in the conditions of a Russian bath. And in terms of mass and size parameters it exceeded our stations.
          1. -1
            August 18 2016
            Quote: Aleks.Antonov
            You're not right. The Americans had the only Skylab station

            Please read here, very interesting.

            http://www.manonmoon.ru/book/25.htm

            And this is the main page of the site, choose any article to your taste. I read it with pleasure, it is stated accessible.

            http://www.manonmoon.ru/
        6. +1
          August 18 2016
          Quote: Stas157
          Let's be honest! The Americans have never had any orbital station! For the simple reason that they could not.

          Skylab (English Skylab, from the English sky laboratory (literally. Heavenly laboratory)) is the first and only national American orbital station designed for technological, astrophysical, biomedical research, as well as for Earth observation. It was launched on May 14 1973 of the year, took three expeditions on Apollo ships from May 1973 to February 1974 of the year, left orbit and collapsed on July 11 of 1979 of the year.
      3. +6
        August 17 2016
        With regards to repairing in orbit, there was Apollo 13 and not in orbit, but the devils where they were picking their junk no worse.

        We will be honest.



        laughing Well, let's be honest, the ratio of the information received by Gemini and Apollo is 100 to 1. In a straightforward sense. The ratio of funds spent on the program, 10 to 100. During the three unmanned test flights (!) Saturn 5, more than 80% of the funds were spent, everything else was spent on all subsequent manned "flights". In the Dzhemeni program, absolutely the opposite. And vice versa in all space programs of other countries. To be honest, why don't they stupidly answer 109 Chinese questions about Apollo? Nobody answers my accounting, despite being an expert in economic crimes. And no way. Even by thinking. There is nothing to think about. And you are about honesty .... for example, Americans are honest to the use of this one, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdvRvJZZIYw So honest that you might think we are talking about their mother separately and in general but Apollo is a sacred cow, beyond suspicion. Beyond honesty.
      4. +4
        August 17 2016
        And now there is no one to repair all this economy, except for the Russians. "

        With regards to repairing in orbit, there was Apollo 13 and not in orbit, but the devils where they were picking their junk no worse.

        We will be honest.
        [/ Quote]
        This simply confirms that there were no Russians at Apollo 13. And if there was even one, then he would really be engaged in saving his life and the lives of everyone else who was close by. And astronauts would be engaged in setting up all kinds of experiments planned by the flight program and waiting for the rescue expedition.
      5. +4
        August 17 2016
        I agree. The Americans have a serious Navy organization. It would be stupid if it were not so in space. hi If the people watched the film (from the article) to the end, then they would know: Amer at the beginning, like everyone else, collected fire extinguishers at the station, then panicked at some point and the commander sent him to a less smoky station compartment to organize a first-aid post (Amerikos turned out to be a doctor). Something like this.
      6. +2
        August 17 2016
        I agree, I do not believe that they (astronauts) are such hands ... Here, IMHO, everything is wobbling with pisos on the water ... Although ... I did not hold the "candle" winked I do not know ...
      7. +3
        August 18 2016
        And was there a boy? There are a lot of questions to the mandalas for the Lunar program. The toilet still cannot be made, but there, the Moon.
      8. +1
        August 18 2016
        Apollo 13 flew in Hollywood
      9. +1
        August 21 2016
        If you do not have other sources besides the feature film, you will be disappointed to learn the truth about that flight.
    4. +2
      August 17 2016
      Even the defendants admitted in their film that full zeros ..
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "And there is no one to repair all this economy, except for the Russians."

      We know this from the documentary "Armageddon". Yes
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  2. +10
    August 17 2016
    They are afraid in NASA to lower authority below the plinth. Oh, how Hollywood tried to lift it. Much easier to print wrappers and Russian to hire to maintain the ISS in work. At the same time and groan that prices are sky-high.
    1. +2
      August 17 2016
      Quote: oleg-gr
      They are afraid in NASA to lower authority below the plinth. Oh, how Hollywood tried to lift it. Much easier to print wrappers and Russian to hire to maintain the ISS in work. At the same time and groan that prices are sky-high.
  3. +35
    August 17 2016
    It seems to have been stated that Russia will no longer carry foreign astronauts to the ISS from 2018.
    Is it time to stop this freebie, the transfer of experience of a long-term stay in space? And why
    it did not become a response to sanctions?
    1. +4
      August 17 2016
      Quote: starogil
      Is it time to stop this freebie, the transfer of experience of a long-term stay in space?

      A good "freebie" - sending each astronaut to the ISS aboard a Russian spacecraft costs the US treasury $ 60 million.
      1. +4
        August 18 2016
        Is that money, do you think? Just the other day, the Russian Federation bought American debt receipts worth over 18 billion candy wrappers.
      2. +1
        August 21 2016
        The Fed will draw as many dollars as needed. Based on the real value of the US dollar (in fact, it costs nothing, because it is not provided with anything, but out of compelled respect for the international community and our liberal government) - 24 rubles per US dollar at the moment. This is not only my subjective opinion, this is the opinion of respected financial analysts. Therefore, one launch really costs about 180 million dollars ...
  4. +6
    August 17 2016
    It is unlikely that in the coming years we will be able to build a new station for ourselves, they simply will not find money for it. And the Americans, let them hysteria, do not care?
    1. +14
      August 17 2016
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      It is unlikely that in the coming years we will be able to build a new station for ourselves, they simply will not find money for it.

      ... there is such an option -
      Modules for the future Russian space station will be detached from the ISS with the help of Progress
      The three modules, which will serve as the basis for the Russian national orbital station, will be separated from the International Space Station by the Progress cargo vehicle if the ISS ceases to exist in 2024. This was reported to TASS by TsNIIMash, the head scientific institute of the Roscosmos state corporation.

      As the Roscosmos state corporation has repeatedly reported earlier, the new Russian space station can be based on three ISS modules - a multifunctional laboratory module, a nodal module and a scientific and energy module, which are planned to be launched in 2017, 2018 and 2019, respectively.

      According to TsNIImash, with the arrival of a multifunctional laboratory module, a universal laboratory for applied scientific research and experiments will appear on board the ISS Russian segment. In addition, the module will be equipped with a small airlock and the European ERA manipulator for working with equipment installed in open space on the outer surface of the ISS Russian segment.

      Thanks to the nodal module, it will be possible to dock four more modules to the ISS Russian segment and separate parts of the Russian modules from the station in the event of its termination.
      "The scientific and power module will provide full energy autonomy of the Russian segment of the ISS from the American segment, additional capabilities to control the station, as well as place additional crew cabins and racks for conducting experiments," TsNIIMash said.

      As President of RSC Energia Vladimir Solntsev told TASS earlier, it will take about a year to de-orbit the ISS after the completion of its operation for flooding in the Pacific Ocean. In turn, Vladimir Soloviev, the flight director of the ISS Russian segment, previously told TASS that special powerful cargo ships would carry out the de-orbiting of the station.

      More on TASS:
      http://tass.ru/kosmos/3190189
    2. +8
      August 17 2016
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      It is unlikely that in the coming years we will be able to build a new station for ourselves.

      And why build it - pick up our modules, dock Progress with panels - and you're done.
      1. +12
        August 17 2016
        Quote: kos2910
        And why build it - pick up our modules, dock Progress with panels - and you're done.

        And how it all began ...
        He took part in the launch of Zarya and Zvezda, when he served at Baikonur.
        1. +1
          August 17 2016
          there - they still serve in Baikonur - they collect ... a good movie hi
      2. +2
        August 21 2016
        As far as I know, ALL ISS modules, including Russian ones, are US property. Here is such an equal cooperation ...
    3. +1
      August 21 2016
      Currently, we need an orbital station just like a carrier fleet. That is, as if so far we can get by ...
  5. +7
    August 17 2016
    We will have our own station without blackjack and ... Americans!
  6. +14
    August 17 2016
    So let the Americans think about it. For this, apparently, ours sent them such a signal, in the form of a reduction in space personnel. And then they are used to the fact that they are a chosen nation, and even in space they should have staff serving them.
    1. +15
      August 17 2016
      Quote: Zolotse
      So let the Americans think about it. For this, apparently, ours sent them such a signal, in the form of a reduction in space personnel. And then they are used to the fact that they are a chosen nation, and even in space they should have staff serving them.

      Well, now the mattresses have to wait for a tempting offer from Ukraine, increase their presence at the expense of the vacated space and fill the position with Ukrainian "astranavit". They have repeatedly offered the United States their cooperation "at the komoshi"
      1. +4
        August 17 2016
        I have not seen such a picture, laughed for a long time ...
  7. +17
    August 17 2016
    At one time, the Mir station was drowned. The curious can see the year and the president of Russia at that time. Here the Americans had joy! It's time to think about "your own hut" in near space. Not all the time in a space hostel with foreign khanygs will last forever! And for amerikosov it would be necessary to say in plain text that "khaliava" is never eternal.
    1. +7
      August 17 2016
      There was another documentary about the Mir station, unfortunately I don’t remember the name, and the expediency of flooding was not so unambiguous, the station could have operated for more than one year. Followed by the Americans.
    2. +12
      August 17 2016
      Quote: V.ic
      The Mir station was drowned in due time. The curious can see the year and the president of Russia at that time.

      WATER STATIONS

      Originally designed for a 5-year life, the station was in space for 15 years and until 2001 was the only "space house" that allows you to stay and work in orbit for a long time. Since the late 1990s, the station began to have serious problems with equipment, which began to fail in large quantities. Abnormal situations occurred from time to time, there were several fires associated with defects in oxygen drafts. A serious incident occurred on June 25, 1997, when the Progress cargo ship rammed the Mir station, severely damaging the Spectrum science module: the newest station module was disabled and depressurized. At that time, "Spectrum" supplied the bulk of the energy to the station, so interruptions in electricity began. It was possible to completely restore the power supply to Mir station only by August 1997. Nevertheless, the accident left many other problems at the station: malfunctions began to occur in the stabilizing gyroscopes, unbalanced by shock, the central computer and the station's cooling system. Refused radio communication, refused gyrodines, periodically refused coolants. During the last mission, held until 1999, the main efforts of the crew were simply aimed at supporting the work of the station.
      HUGE FINANCIAL COSTS

      By 2001, the unjustified high cost of the further use and restoration of the station became quite obvious. Maintenance of the station annually cost almost $ 200 million. And, despite the creation in 1996 of the company Mircorp, which invested $ 25 million in it and was engaged in the search for additional funds for the station by creating an online portal on board, organizing flights of space tourists, filming movies and advertising, all the means to support the station’s work -so there were critically few. Any serious repair of the station required huge investments with unwarranted success. Replacing the main section required $ 350 million and four years of operation. Restoring the Mir station was more expensive than building a new station.
      The possible ascent of the station’s orbit and its preservation in space until better times also did not make sense. The fuel that was available at the station was not enough to lift. Each launch of Progress M cargo ship-tankers for refueling the station would cost the state 300 million rubles, and they would deliver no more than 1,9 tons per flight, which would be enough to raise the orbit by only 57 km.
      STATION HAZARDOUS

      The station became dangerous both for the astronauts aboard it, and for the entire population of the Earth. The automation status of the station in the absence of the crew, which finally left the station in August 1999, became critical. The Mira computer was turned off, and the station was in sleep mode. At any moment gyrodynes, which had worked out their resources, could have refused, and the station, having lost orientation, would have lost energy and control and would have turned into a ballistic projectile slowly descending from orbit. The orbital altitude of the World was less than 250 kilometers, and every day the station decreased one kilometer lower. No one could have predicted, in that case, the place where the station would fall.
      1. +3
        August 17 2016
        Quote: Be proud.
        coolants refused

        Do not tell me what this means.
        I used to think that the coolant can leak, freeze, catch fire in the end, but fail? request
        1. 0
          August 19 2016
          Quote: bk316
          Do not tell me what this means.
          I used to think that the coolant can leak, freeze, catch fire in the end, but fail?

          YOU are right. To refuse is to leak, freeze, or catch fire.
    3. +6
      August 17 2016
      TERMINATION OF SCIENTIFIC ACTIVITY

      Onboard the Mir, numerous experiments were carried out that gave science many important results, but the value of the research programs carried out on it shortly before the flooding was reduced to almost zero. Conducting research at the old Mir station has become unsafe, expensive, and often impossible. The equipment of Mira is very outdated; accordingly, the science that went far ahead during this time did not need the research that could be carried out on such equipment. In addition, there was already a new ISS with the latest equipment, more comfortable conditions and a greater degree of safety, on which it was more convenient and efficient to conduct all research.

      Fulfillment of obligations on the ISS

      It was thanks to the flooding of the Mir station that Russia was able to more actively engage in another major project - the International Space Station. In the conditions of industry financing, which was practically absent at that time, it would be impossible to simultaneously develop the ISS Russian segment and support Mir. The transport ships that were used to maintain the World were actually borrowed from the ISS program, according to which Russia had and has clear obligations to its Western partners: the Russian module, transport and manned ships, and control of the station from the Earth. Russia accounts for 1/3 of all work on the ISS and the right to manage its resources.
      1. +1
        August 18 2016
        Quote: Be proud.
        Russia accounts for 1/3 of all work on the ISS and the right to manage its resources.

        Thank you for the fact that they have not yet taken away the right to manage their resources, although everything goes to this.
  8. 0
    August 17 2016
    Bigdrum
    is it a big drum or what?
    1. +3
      August 17 2016
      Stone, you better know ...
  9. +4
    August 17 2016
    I do not know. In the movie "The Martian," the American made "candy" out of Mr., in the sense of building a garden for growing potatoes. Like this. laughing And to be honest, FIG knows them. But in life they really are some kind of "thin", with rare exceptions.
    1. +10
      August 17 2016
      Quote: Andrey160479
      In the movie "The Martian" an American

      By the way, and here they stole the script from a Russian writer ...
      The creators of the blockbuster “Martian”, which is part of the screen, where the main role is played by Matt Damon, was sued by our compatriot, screenwriter Mikhail Raskodnikov. He states that Fox took precisely his text as the basis for the new film.

      Back in 2007, Raskodnikov presented his idea within the framework of a synopsis, in which, however, the concept of a person who came to an alien planet was very detailed. Some elements of the plot of his story are really very similar to the main milestones of the Hollywood film. And in 2009, the finished version of the script Raskhodnikov sent to several film companies, including the studio Fox itself. A book about the Martian appeared only three years later, in the 2012 year, while its author Andy Weyer had not yet released a single novel.

      “I read the book, and I was shocked by the resemblance to my work, not only the canvas, but the characters themselves are similar,” said the scriptwriter who filed a lawsuit.

      Fox lawyers say that the author of the novel has never been to Russia and never read the script in Russian to take it as a basis. However, Raskodnikov nevertheless filed a lawsuit over the violation of his copyrights; he is demanding millions of rubles from the 50 studio. He also wants to appeal to the Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation Medinsky with his lawyer in order to bring the problem to public discussion.

      Proofs can be found in search engines, the feeling that the Old is specially hushed up, I myself learned about it thanks to the radio Vesti FM.
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    3. +15
      August 17 2016
      Quote: Andrey160479
      I do not know. In the movie "The Martian," the American made "candy" out of Mr., in the sense of building a garden for growing potatoes. Like this. laughing And to be honest, FIG knows them. But in life they really are some kind of "thin", with rare exceptions.

      In the movie, I made candy from guana.
      In life, everything is exactly the opposite ...
    4. +3
      August 17 2016
      For Americans, everything is okay only in cinema, and probably the entire moon program in Nevada has passed laughing in bunkers
      1. +1
        August 17 2016
        Cosmonaut Aleksey Arkhipovich Leonov (a person quite authoritative in this field) does not think so
        1. aba
          +2
          August 17 2016
          Cosmonaut Alexei Arkhipovich Leonov

          What is surprising ... In the history of Soviet and Russian cosmonautics there are so many astronauts, but when it comes to the lunar program, for some reason only Leonov is remembered.
          It’s a pity ... It’s a pity that we were not able to listen to the head of the transport department.(C)
          1. 0
            August 17 2016
            "Cosmonaut Alexey Arkhipovich Leonov" himself participated in the show program "Soyuz-Apollo", and,
            by definition, cannot say otherwise. Because, as it has long been "consolidated".
            From Wiki.
            "In 1992-1993, he was the director of space programs at Chetek. At present, he is an advisor to the first deputy chairman of the board of directors of Alfa-Bank."
          2. +4
            August 18 2016
            That’s why they remember that they still remember that it was Leonov who was preparing according to the Soviet lunar program for landing on the moon. And he was preparing for more than one day and very seriously. Accordingly, among others, he carefully watched the lunar program of the Americans. And if he is not competent, then who? Are you, dear?
        2. +3
          August 17 2016
          Cosmonaut Aleksey Arkhipovich Leonov (a person quite authoritative in this field) does not think so


          How do you know? smile A friend of mine worked in one corresponding design bureau; the news of an American flight to the moon caught them at work. At first there was a pause, and then everyone neighed like horses. After half an hour, the Civil Code itself came running and, under pain of a wolf ticket, forbade it to discuss this topic from any angle. And Leonov, Leonov is a romantic of Cosmos. He understands what will happen if people are disappointed. Understanding what he has to worry by touching this topic, then perhaps his position can be forgiven. You can also forgive NASA's purchase of some of its work ....
          1. +2
            August 17 2016
            Quote: ArikKhab
            Cosmonaut Aleksey Arkhipovich Leonov (a person quite authoritative in this field) does not think so

            Quote: Asadullah
            How do you know?

            So, in your opinion, all of our tracking stations, all means of objective control, misled everyone, including the country's leadership? Enough of conspiracy theories ...
            1. +3
              August 18 2016
              all our tracking stations,


              What tracking stations, what and what they followed, list. Go deep into the subject matter, and then talk about conspiracy theories. And it turns out, if I don’t know something, then everyone who knows is conspiracy theorists. Do you want to understand the issue in detail? Library of Congress (The Library of Congress) pzhl, all documents, financial statements of the space program. Secret is prohibited by the US Constitution. Study and you will be happy in full bast shoes. And then the wise minnows are directly the engines of sober thought.
              1. +4
                August 18 2016
                Quote: Asadullah
                What tracking stations, what and what they followed

                The rhetorical question: why is the satellite TV antenna (dish) exactly oriented to the desired satellite? What do you think, if the signal comes precisely from the direction of the moon, and even from a certain place on the disk of the moon (this is about angular reflectors), and moves like the moon, then who is it? No danunah from the planet Nibiru ... If, as you say, the Americans on the Moon are a hoax, then whose programs did our and not ours receive comic communication systems from there? How many space communications / tracking ships were in the USSR and I will not list the same ground points - a lot. Everything is in the public domain.
                Quote: Asadullah
                Secret prohibited by the US Constitution

                Well, go to the NASA website, look at the pictures taken by LRO, take an interest in what the Chinese were photographing, or the Japanese. Everything is in full view, including our moon rovers. What, everyone still lies in bulk? Or they don’t lie about our lunar rovers, and they painted on the American landing modules?
                Quote: Asadullah
                Go deep into the subject matter

                Here I completely agree. Go deep ...
                1. +3
                  August 18 2016
                  Rhetorical response - a transmitter is launched there, which transmits from there. To plant any plywood crap automatically or remotely (especially if the USSR shared such technology). The simplest lunar rovers that leave the same tracks as astronauts have already been "invented" by enthusiasts.
                  The uninitiated is more puzzled by why there were no time delays in a number of voice communication sessions, but this is explained very easily by knowing the specifics of the largely unbaptized American ubiquitous Society (which is usually accepted through homosexuals).
                  And were or weren’t Americans on the moon - this is a second time laughing
                  1. +2
                    August 18 2016
                    Vopschem https://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/7003/ look
                    Matt Dimon with his potato-free smokes nervously on the sidelines smile
                    1. 0
                      August 18 2016
                      Just keep in mind that "this movie isn't about conspiracy, this movie is part of conspiracy iteslf".
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                      2. -1
                        August 18 2016
                        here's another scam scam
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHGoZBav_N8
                  2. +3
                    August 18 2016
                    Quote: Simpsonian
                    To plant automatically or telecontrollably any plywood crap

                    Well, yes, yes ... They planted plywood modules, installed moon cars, put cables (all this is in the photos) ... something strange mystification turns out ... it's easier to really fly.
                    1. -2
                      August 18 2016
                      easier on the contrary, and less risky ...

                      kintso look.
                2. +1
                  August 18 2016
                  Well then go to the NASA website


                  laughing Dear, say so, I have my opinion and tear who needs an anus for his sake (your opinion) changes. No, you know, as a result of my service, I’m taking out crooks worse than NASA. With regard to substantive conversation, the theme of the adventures of the Americans on the moon appeared in parallel with affairs in the space industry. As a result, the minimum texture was enough for me to draw conclusions. But you yourself understand, as long as there is no court decision, the correctness of the prosecutor is void. Such a verdict of the court was the flight of Orion. NASA signed and stamped that they had not been in orbits above five thousand. Remain unconvinced, hot surprises await you.
                  1. +3
                    August 18 2016
                    Quote: Asadullah
                    No, you know, as a result of my service, I’m taking out crooks worse than NASA.

                    They completely killed with such an argument ... Giordano Bruno was also tried at one time ... burned by a court verdict. You can remember about Galileo ... "and yet she turns" ... here, however, it is not known for certain.
            2. 0
              August 18 2016
              The country's leadership was mistaken for American wheat, at a fixed price, despite world prices. And this price was much lower than world prices.
              1. -1
                August 18 2016
                This wheat went to starving Africa and not to the bins of the Motherland; in short, it was deceived in everything. laughing
        3. aba
          0
          August 17 2016
          Cosmonaut Alexei Arkhipovich Leonov

          By the way, when I wrote a comment, I didn’t give you an assessment, I simply stated a fact, and now with a clear conscience I’ll slam you a minus! wink
        4. -2
          August 18 2016
          Everyone has long known that today A.Kh. Leonov is a banker, a freemason, and an enthusiast of the Higher Military School (temporary states of America).
          1. +3
            August 18 2016
            "Everything flows, everything changes." You, dear, there was a time, too, wrote and "wa-wa" shouted, but now there is a whole captain ... Maybe Leonov now eats children at dinner, but for us and all mankind he was, is and will be the first earthling to open space!
            We know and remember that. It would not hurt you to remember this.
        5. +2
          August 21 2016
          A worthy person with a decent life, but ... as far as I know, he is a member of the board of directors of some pro-American bank. Apparently it was necessary to eat in the nineties. In general, besides his opinion regarding flights to the moon, other opinions were somehow not heard.
      2. +2
        August 17 2016
        Quote: 2s1122
        probably the entire moon program in Nevada has passed

        ... about this, here are the new LSA studies -
        the probability of a successful mission to the moon and the return is a maximum of 5%!
        We draw final conclusions ...
        Details here -
        NASA vs. Probability Theory
        The maximum likelihood of a successful completion of a manned expedition to the moon according to NASA's proposed single-launch rocket and space technology model of the 60 of the XX century is not more than 5%. This means that you can successfully complete such an expedition only once out of twenty, even assuming knowingly high values ​​of the reliability of each of its stages. But if you face the truth, this total probability is no more than 0.1%, which General Kamanin accidentally made a mistake in his memoirs.

        Even if we take the probability of a successful moon expedition to be equal to 5%, what is the probability of making six successful attempts in a row?

        = 0,056 0,000000015625

        As far as I know, so far no one has published a rigorous mathematical proof of the impossibility of completing these expeditions. Such evidence is before you.

        Fully - http://topru.org/45404/nasa-protiv-teorii-veroyatnostej/
        1. PKK
          0
          August 17 2016
          What kind of return from the moon with the second cosmic speed are you talking about. Now the return from the first K.S. hasn’t worked out yet.
        2. 0
          August 17 2016
          the probability of a successful mission to the moon and the return is a maximum of 5%!


          If you take the technical points, it’s even easier, after the Apollo program was completed, it turned out that the lunar orbit of the capture, much lower than the calculated. So the poor Americans were destined to fly by. The second moment, the flashes in the Van Allen rings and the variability of the Vernov-Chudakov rings. Astronauts were destined to die from radiation sickness. A maximum of three to four years would drag. To the fortune of the applicants of the moon rune, then they did not know about this.
          1. -2
            August 17 2016
            "The poor American was destined to fly by" - But they were on the moon - there is already irrefutable proof that the shooting was not on the ground, and it is available on all videos of the landing.
            1. +1
              August 18 2016
              But they were on the moon - there is already irrefutable evidence


              laughing And if you weren’t ready to eat your hat? What a bl, proof, if a flare of Van Allen knocks out thousands of bads at once in a solid semiconductor! Do you know what that is? This is 200 happy in a single performance! Two radiation injuries in a split second, five minutes of flight and you are a corpse. What, maybe there are materials that, with the stated density and mass, protect against penetrating radiation, where are they? For it would be a real breakthrough in technology. And first of all, work with RM would be simplified, and today manipulators with doses hundreds of times smaller are used. Did the Americans find windows in the belts of Van Alen Yu Vernov-Chudakov? Where is the scientific work, for such a discovery, is the Stopudov Nobel and world sensation. so, with all the evidence, follow exactly the right path between the half-popies of the lunonauts, no offense.
              1. +1
                August 18 2016
                The movement of the lunar soil from the shoes of astronauts certainly cannot be faked - you can immediately see the absence of gravity - in terrestrial conditions it is impossible to remove this - real and undeniable proof, and it’s time to close this idiocy with supposedly imitation of flight.
          2. +1
            August 18 2016
            For me, too, the question is, how could the Americans more than once or twice visit this radiation hell, from which our orbital stations, and now the ISS, are protected by the Earth’s ionosphere? To visit and return alive ?? Moreover, in good memory also write memoirs ???
            1. 0
              August 18 2016
              Designers have not - long ago solved this problem.
    5. -13
      August 17 2016
      Quote: Andrey160479
      But in life they really are some kind of "thin", with rare exceptions.

      This is especially noticeable in medals at the Olympics in Rio.
      1. +7
        August 17 2016
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        Quote: Andrey160479
        But in life they really are some kind of "thin", with rare exceptions.

        This is especially noticeable in medals at the Olympics in Rio.

        The GDR was also ahead of the rest of the world in sports, time passed and it surfaced that the Stasi were purchasing drugs in Germany and this would emerge to the "joy" of the gringo.

        Well, there is one more reason: after all, many people use doping. Only in some countries "pharmacology" is developed at the level of the best world samples, and it is most often impossible to catch athletes from such countries on doping, although they swallow tablets and powders no less than those that come across. High performance sport is currently impossible without doping! Of course, there are individual athletes-geniuses, but these are the exceptions, not the rule.
        PLUS the correct and timely diagnosis (which, of course, is not really), which allows the athlete to officially drink those medicines for which others - healthy ones - are simply disqualified.
        For some reason, I'm sure that in the US team, not everything is so clean and transparent. For it is there that "pharmacy" is better developed than anywhere else. And no one will interfere with the diagnosis of bronchial asthma in time for ordinary bronchitis. And it is impossible to check the correctness of this diagnosis, since there is a medical secret.
        stupaet-na-olimpiade-2016chem-drugie-strany.html
        1. +1
          August 17 2016
          Quote: sgazeev
          Well, there is one more reason: after all, very many people use doping.

          Many accept and the Americans win and the British, by the way, the British from their country do not receive any rewards for medals, the preparation conditions and pharmacology are better developed
          Quote: sgazeev
          For some reason, I am sure that not everything is so clean and transparent in the US team.

          Are you he or she? And who is transparent? Nobody by and large. Nevertheless, the United States is clearly the leader at the Olympics and the British have worthily performed, talking about the whole country that they are thin is ridiculous, if per capita it is the best of all the British, with a population of 63 million 19 gold and 19 silver this achievement.
          The problem of doping with Russian athletes is a purely political moment
        2. 0
          August 18 2016
          Personally, when I look at the team standings, there are no illusions - whose athletes are the ones who are doping!
      2. +4
        August 17 2016
        No, they are powerful - especially one African-American tennis player. This is our skinny and flimsy. All of them, like us.
        And what about sports? They catch ours, they don’t surrender ours.
      3. +1
        August 17 2016
        Yes, it’s noticeable how they spread rot. It’s interesting that someone checked their astronauts for doping! And your statement sounds simply low and mean! Well, here everyone is free to choose their own path, for someone the good of the Motherland and for someone Judas a brother!
      4. +1
        August 18 2016
        You, saturn.mmm, forgot to add to their Ameros medals their pocket WADA, their helpful CAS, ameros' unverifiable doping, and even the fact that ameros appear in their usual time zone. And Europeans come out when they are supposed to sleep.
        1. +1
          August 18 2016
          Quote: Lyubopyatov
          And Europeans come out when they are supposed to sleep.

          The British are performing in their usual hour. belt? Many Russian athletes go to train to the West, why? Maybe the training conditions are better there? Under the USSR, American gymnasts were not strong and doping was accepted then. There were good schools of gymnastics in the USSR and Romania, they really pulled up American gymnastics after the collapse of the USSR, this also applies to other sports, so far the leading American sport in the world proves the number of medals they have in Rio and a doping athlete from the USA little help with air rifle shooting.
          1. +1
            August 18 2016
            Many Russian athletes go to train to the West, why? Maybe the training conditions are better there?

            And the preparation conditions are better there and Buds are tastier and Doping after them is not found! wink

            For example, Singaporean Skooling beat Phelps with his 100-meter crown. But
            Everything changed, as usual, the case: two years ago, Skulling moved to the United States and began to train in Austin. Eddie Reese

            Of course, we can say that Eddie Reese is a good coach and he has a good technique (he is a professional)
            At one time, Riza had three outstanding athletes in the group at once: the holder of three individual Olympic victories in backstroke Aaron Piersall, four-time world champion in breaststroke Brendan Hansen and two-time world champion in butterfly stroke Jan Crocker.
            this is understandable, everyone wants to train with the best coaches, this was the case in our figure skating, the level of which was raised by our "Soviet" coaches, but in figure skating, doping will not help much, but in swimming and running ...
    6. +14
      August 17 2016
      Have you seen a lot of Americans? I personally talked with a marine officer, a very intelligent person, soberly looking at life. With an excellent knowledge of the history of the Great Patriotic War and our contribution to it, right down to the operations carried out at the fronts - terms, forces, etc. With the preparation, with the training system, they are all right, I assure you. These guys are far from "thin", you shouldn't throw caps
      1. +3
        August 17 2016
        They, like us, have morons and normal people. The fact that among the Marines (constantly fighting), there are more adequate people, I am not surprised. Unfortunately, one r ... gets into politics.
  10. +26
    August 17 2016
    And if the Americans have to leave the station, for them it will be the end of manned space programs in general.
    1. +6
      August 17 2016
      Actually, Alexander, this is called regression:
      (from lat. regressus - return, backward movement) - backward movement. The development of human society is complex, contradictory, zigzag and multilinear. In the course of this development, certain particular social organisms, for various reasons (climatic, political, spiritual, etc.), decline, experience a state of degradation, and R. eventually die.

      Which we are observing.
    2. +3
      August 17 2016
      Quote: Dr. Barmaley
      And if the Americans have to leave the station, for them it will be the end of manned space programs in general.

      And me, as a mechanic, for example, is interested in the technical aspect - the f1 liquid engines with the declared thrust of 600 tons were installed on the apolon, there were 5 of them on the rocket, considering that the mass of the rocket with the lunar module installed in it was under 3000 tons, it seems like everything is right.
      But if they then had liquid engines of sufficient traction, then why are they NOT HERE ??? After all, today they are buying engines of similar power from us, a sworn enemy?
      1. +2
        August 18 2016
        Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
        But if they then had liquid engines of sufficient traction, then why are they NOT HERE ???

        Take a look at, for example, the Aerojet Rocketdine website. They have a lot of things ...
    3. 0
      August 18 2016
      Yes, do not worry - they have already created five manned spacecraft, which are primarily intended for flights to the ISS.
      1. -1
        August 18 2016
        Why not 6? By the way, in a manned version, where are they? And can they be launched with astronauts rockets that explode so often?
  11. +13
    August 17 2016
    They shit on our heads, and we raise their image. Nah ... do we need them?
  12. +3
    August 17 2016
    But in films, Americans know and know how to save the earth from disaster ...
  13. +3
    August 17 2016
    Contraceptives need to fly on contraceptives! Even the country is gathered from them!
  14. +11
    August 17 2016
    The initial stupidity is to start something with enemies, in an attempt to "make friends". Starting with "Soyuz-Apollo" and ending with "perestroika". The ending is natural. Everything comes from the postulate, "all people are brothers!" Here we should recall the words of Seryozha Bodrov (the kingdom of heaven to him) - "you are not my brother!" and further in the text ...
    1. -2
      August 17 2016
      ..I don’t enter - but what can people do at this station? For so many years that there are people - you can explore everything that is possible and not possible ..
      1. -1
        August 17 2016
        I absolutely agree, you can still (somehow?) justify the presence of space stations in the USA, Russia and third countries, but joint?! ..
  15. +15
    August 17 2016
    Again, cheers-patriotism, and in a really useful and interesting topic. The restoration of the orbital station was really on the verge of a feat, and our cosmonauts most likely are really the best. Since the selection was and preparation. But damn 260 applications to the group of cosmonauts was filed in the 2015 year in Russia. And in the USA there are more than 5000.
    But, where would it be without it - but Russia is lagging behind in space exploration. How many rovers do Russia have? Yes, right, not a single one. How many distant space stations? Also zero. Orbiting telescopes? Almost all are American. And the United States makes it possible for scientists from other countries to use the information collected using these devices.
    Let us adequately assess the achievements of countries and not fall into nonsense when people begin to divide into stupid and smart.
    1. +4
      August 17 2016
      and Russia today (really) has a heavy class carrier rocket to launch station blocks?
      This is a question
      1. +11
        August 17 2016
        This is a question

        Proton-M is the answer.
        1. -2
          August 18 2016
          These Protons have a maximum of 10 years left to live.
      2. 0
        August 17 2016
        This is a question


        But there is no need. Today, space is interesting for commercial projects, and of military ones as well. Such carriers should serve the moon exploration programs and beyond. But they are not. Moreover, I’m sure that it won’t happen during our lifetimes.
    2. +12
      August 17 2016
      Plus to you. A sober look at things. We need not scream URA, but pack up and catch up over the past two decades. Starting with a coherent space program and its financing.
    3. +1
      August 17 2016
      Quote: certero
      Let us adequately assess the achievements of countries and not fall into nonsense when people begin to divide into stupid and smart.

      This is a hint about "people": having 1 "green" in a leaky pocket and another who has a couple of dozen "lemas" of the same "greens" on his checkbook?
    4. +2
      August 17 2016
      Quote: certero
      Again cheers-patriotism and in

      And here somewhere the top on the branch was definitely said (and an article about it) manned astronautics. All your examples about the other, either you are inattentive, or are trying again to prove the unprovable (Russian cuddlyness).
      Well, since you are inattentive or a mattress?
    5. +1
      August 17 2016
      Quote: certero
      Let's adequately assess the achievements of countries and not fall into nonsense
      1. 0
        August 17 2016
        On the right are the achievements of the Baltic states.
  16. +7
    August 17 2016
    Sometimes (and not rarely) I hear, they say, why do we need a station? They say everything has been studied and there are enough robotic satellites. I am not even talking about the prestige of the country, because it will be immediately clear who and what stands in this world. Did the Amers fly to the moon? And then they can not fly to orbit? Was there a boy? (on the moon in the sense). Secondly, scientific experiments are unambiguously needed, the development of technologies for long-term stay in space will bear fruit in future flights to other planets. I am sure this is not far off, perhaps we also have to hear about it (in the sense of our generation). Thirdly, the station is in orbit, it is a remote control center. You can expect anything from "partners", an extra item for a "fire case" will never be superfluous.
    You must have your own station in orbit.
  17. +5
    August 17 2016
    Of course. conditions during the construction of the ISS Russia signed enslaving. But she signed. Therefore, a number of questions arise.
    1. Will it not turn out that the desired savings will result in litigation and costs if the US proves that the contract has been violated? Our bureaucrat lawyers should not have special hopes; the history of the doping olympiad showed it well.
    2. Is there a ready-made project for the new station and the possibilities for its construction? Could it be that we will leave the ISS, but there will be nowhere to come?
    Slamming the door is impressive. Unless it's a door leading nowhere.
    1. +2
      August 17 2016
      There is a very significant problem, which is that there are no missiles with high payloads that can be launched into space. This means that stations in development are limited.
      1. +2
        August 17 2016
        Quote: gridasov
        There is a very significant problem, which is that there are no missiles with high payloads that can be launched into space.

        Such a rocket was - Energy - but we safely passed it ... sad
        1. +4
          August 17 2016
          It’s better here, we destroyed entire industries and research institutes that allowed us to create and build "Energy". It takes a lot of time to restore everything, and certainly not the capitalist system in the country.
      2. +2
        August 18 2016
        gridasov
        There is a very significant problem, which is that there are no missiles with high payloads that can be launched into space.

        Happy for you. No kidding. At first I didn’t believe it ... I read it again ... You can express yourself in a simple understandable language. So write about fields and energies, otherwise your thought will be lost among scientific and not very terms.
    2. 0
      August 18 2016
      Quote: Verdun
      Our bureaucrat lawyers should not have special hopes; the history of the doping olympiad showed it well.

      Why do you think so? Have there been any legal proceedings on doping? For me, the situation with Hodor's lawsuit against Yukos and the prepared lawsuit on the Ukrainian debt, which, so far, has been postponed at the request of the London High Court, will rather be an example of the professionalism of lawyers.
  18. +1
    August 17 2016
    You can tie it up with the ISS early. And repair and maintenance of the station in the necessary condition - for money, only for big money. Monopoly, however!
    1. +1
      August 17 2016
      Quote: Berkut24
      You can tie it up with the ISS early. And repair and maintenance of the station in the necessary condition - for money, only for big money. Monopoly, however!

      There is only one "but". Service personnel cannot be a monopolist by definition.
      1. +5
        August 17 2016
        Quote: Verdun
        Attendants cannot be a monopoly by definition

        - maybe. Primitive example: strike of air traffic controllers
        - and no one flies anywhere (from civilians, at least)

        Will it go as an example?
        1. +1
          August 17 2016
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          can. Primitive example: strike of air traffic controllers

          Firstly, air traffic controllers are not a service sector. And secondly, you have a strange idea of ​​what monopoly is. Monopoly is when no one except you can do something or offer something. And in the service sector, this option does not work. There is always, figuratively speaking, "Uncle Vasya" who will take over the service. In this case, the same Musk can become such "Uncle Vasya". Price question. If the Americans really need it, they will pay. Their "safety cushion" is not stored in Russian banks.
          1. +1
            August 17 2016
            Quote: Verdun
            Firstly, air traffic controllers are not a service sector

            - yah? Who are they then? belay
            - and what about this:

            Monopolism - the predominance of one or more manufacturers or sellers in the market of goods and services

            - IMHO air traffic controllers are just such ... irreplaceable "service sellers", no?

            Quote: Verdun
            Monopoly is when no one except you can do something or offer something. And in the service sector, this option does not work. There is always, figuratively speaking, "Uncle Vasya" who will take on the service ...

            - plumber, for example tongue

            Quote: Verdun
            In this case, the same Musk can become such "Uncle Vasya". Price question

            - and time. The ready-made docking units at the Mask are already under the pillow, you think?

            Quote: Verdun
            If the Americans really need it, they will pay. Their "safety cushion" is not stored in Russian banks

            Quote: A & B Strugatsky, "Monday starts on Saturday"
            We will mark this remark. How unorganized ...
            1. +1
              August 17 2016
              Yes, you can sweep away anything. The main thing is well-reasoned.
              - and time. The ready-made docking units at the Mask are already under the pillow, you think?
              And what is the problem with the docking nodes? Didn't the Shuttles dock to the ISS?
              - IMHO air traffic controllers are just such ... irreplaceable "service sellers", no?
              No, not irreplaceable. They are only hired personnel in the airport structure. They can be fired for failure to fulfill the terms of the contract and hire new ones. Only the owner can be a monopolist. Is Russia the sole owner of the ISS or the space services industry? I understand that we Russians really want to look beautiful. But the fact is that the rest of the world for the most part does not care. We are interested in this rest of the world only when we can offer it something - for example, our resources. But we will not offer - well, they will somehow manage without us. request
              1. +2
                August 17 2016
                Quote: Verdun
                And what is the problem with the docking nodes? Didn't the Shuttles dock to the ISS?

                - when did the last shuttle fly? Five years ago? And where are the docking stations that stood on the Shuttles now? And does Mask have an apparatus on which this node can be attached?
                - questions, questions ... and solving them is not only money, but also time, so what?

                Quote: Verdun
                They are only hired personnel in the airport structure. They can be fired for failure to fulfill the terms of the contract and hire new ones.

                - so that you don’t go far for example

                Quote: JUNE 23 THE STRIKE OF THE FRENCH AIR CONTROLLERS ANNOUNCED

                As recalls Air Journal, seven unions called on their members to hold national strike June 23, Senate Labor Day


                - no one will fire anyone there (I'm WANG fellow )
                - unequivocally - the "owner" will have to negotiate

                Quote: Verdun
                We are interested in this rest of the world only when we can offer it something - for example, our resources. But we won’t propose - well, they will somehow manage without us

                - or will not do
                - or "to do" will cost a lot more than "bend"

                The world ... is polyvariant (s) Yes
                1. +1
                  August 17 2016
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  - unequivocally - the "owner" will have to negotiate

                  If there was an international trade union of astronauts, I would agree with you, and so - empty assumptions.
                  questions, questions ... and solving them is not only money, but also time, so well?

          2. +1
            August 17 2016
            Oh my God! Still unclear people who worship the economic swindler Mask? ))) Oh well
            1. -2
              August 18 2016
              For someone it’s a con man, but for someone a successful entrepreneur - who shows his work in practice - everything is in iron and everything flies.
              1. +2
                August 18 2016
                Everything sits expensively on the platform and cracks instead of simply and cheaply dropping into the water nearby by parachute.
              2. Rec
                +2
                August 19 2016
                Quote: Vadim237
                shows his work in practice - everything is in iron

                How's he doing with the Tesla Powerwall battery?
              3. 0
                August 19 2016
                Why is he? She is Tesla ... lol
        2. +2
          August 18 2016
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          can. Primitive example: strike of air traffic controllers
          - and no one flies anywhere (from civilians, at least)

          In the United States, the largest strike of air traffic controllers occurred in August 1981 of the year. The air traffic control union, dissatisfied with the government’s proposal to increase wages by 11,4%, demanding further concessions, has declared a nationwide strike. The Federal Aviation Agency (FAA) supported air traffic through air traffic controllers who did not join the strike, as well as the military. The then president, Ronald Reagan, demanded that the dispatchers immediately go to work, and when they did not comply, the FAA fired 11 300 people in one fell swoop. Later, only 600 people were hired back. During the strike, losses of US carriers totaled $ 200 million. After the incident with air traffic controllers, the US president signed a decree prohibiting strikes among government officials. After this incident, the trade union movement in America has noticeably subsided.
          Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/357062
  19. +7
    August 17 2016
    it seems that all space programs are gradually dying out (very expensive? no return?), in spite of the "universal" progress in materials science, electronics, aircraft construction, etc. ... it seems like we flew to the moon - we can't repeat it ... there is a space station - but it's not clear whether there will be a continuation. the Americans today do not have manned programs at all (only military satellites are launched) ... Russia is also launched on alliances 50 years ago (and what, reliable, after all ...). some kind of not even stagnation - a decline ...
    1. +15
      August 17 2016
      And the answer is simple, it seems to me .... Nobody cares about basic science and research. Humanity, with its entire mass, or a very significant part of it, has rested in the idea of ​​earning dough, more and more quickly. Golden Taurus replaced the dream of outer space)) ...
      1. +7
        August 17 2016
        Quote: Stabilization
        Humanity, with its entire mass, or a very significant part of it, has rested in the idea of ​​earning dough, more and more quickly. Golden Taurus replaced the dream of outer space)) ...

        I would put 100 pluses if I could, the dream of conquering space, other planets, and even the ocean depths was replaced with candy wrappers and a beautiful picture of life like the "American Dream".
        1. +4
          August 18 2016
          Quote: Corsair
          Quote: Stabilization
          Humanity, with its entire mass, or a very significant part of it, has rested in the idea of ​​earning dough, more and more quickly. Golden Taurus replaced the dream of outer space)) ...

          I would put 100 pluses if I could, the dream of conquering space, other planets, and even the ocean depths was replaced with candy wrappers and a beautiful picture of life like the "American Dream".

          I agree completely. Sadly, but a fact ... Maybe you need to look at the starry sky more often?
    2. +3
      August 17 2016
      Quote: ArikKhab
      it seems that all space programs are gradually dying out (very expensive? no return?), in spite of the "universal" progress in materials science, electronics, aircraft construction, etc. ... it seems like we flew to the moon - we can't repeat it ... there is a space station - but it's not clear whether there will be a continuation. the Americans today do not have manned programs at all (only military satellites are launched) ... Russia is also launched on alliances 50 years ago (and what, reliable, after all ...). some kind of not even stagnation - a decline ...


      We are building the Vostochny cosmodrome, we are creating the Angara rocket, and there will be space explorations, only we will get up to our feet properly, repel the attacks of the West ..
      1. +6
        August 17 2016
        again, China has successfully launched the world's first quantum satellite. The launch of the Long March-2D rocket was carried out from the Jiuquan cosmodrome on Tuesday, August 16, at 1:40 (20:40 Moscow time Monday), reports "Xinhua."

        The device weighing more than 600 kilograms will be in a sun-synchronous orbit with a height of 500 kilometers, its period of revolution around the Earth will be 90 minutes. The mission “Quantum Experiments at Space Scale” (QUESS) is designed for two years.

        The satellite was named "Mo-Tzu" (Micius) in honor of the Chinese philosopher and scientist who lived in the fifth century BC, who is believed to be the first in the history of mankind to conduct optical experiments.

        Using the apparatus, scientists will be able to test the quantum distribution of the key between the satellite and ground stations and work out secure communications between Beijing and Urumqi. Also during the mission, the mechanism of quantum entanglement will be investigated and a test quantum teleportation between the ground station in Tibet and the satellite will be carried out.

        Quantum teleportation is the transmission of the quantum state of a particle (system of particles) over a distance. For this, a pair of entangled (entangled) particles spaced at a distance is used. According to quantum mechanics, even when such particles are removed from each other, they retain information about the state of their partner. Such entangled particles violate the principle of locality, according to which only the close environment can influence the state of an object.
    3. +3
      August 17 2016
      Quote: ArikKhab
      it seems that all space programs are gradually fading

      Need a breakthrough in engine building. On chemical rockets space can not be mastered.
    4. 0
      August 17 2016
      The fact is that for 50 years, astronautics have never come up with engines capable of launching a ship into space and returning it from there with an ACCEPTABLE LOAD. As soon as such engines are created, the development of the Moon’s mineral resources will immediately begin. At least Helium 3.
      1. +1
        August 18 2016
        Quote: cast iron
        At least Helium 3.

        One kg of helium in energy efficiency is APPROXIMATELY like a train with coal, even at the current astronomical price of delivery, it may well pay off.
  20. +1
    August 17 2016
    It's time to drive the Americans out of the station. They themselves, jackals, strive to drive into paradise on someone else's hump, and even point through the lip to the one who carries them there!
    And we will make our own station and there we will do what Russia needs, and not the "world community" ...
  21. +6
    August 17 2016
    After all the publications in the world, I stopped believing that the Americans were on the moon. It feels like they themselves really can't do anything, and if they ever could, then they forgot everything at once. But this does not happen. And also the testament of Kubrick that he made films about the flight to the moon in the pavilions. And how did the United States lie about SDI? Some of our bosses really thought that the US had an army like in "Star Wars". But it turned out to be a bluff, chernukha. So maybe her "glory", as a "special" country recognized to rule the world, is the same chernukha? They are afraid of us, oh, they are afraid of us. It would seem, as they say, we are nobody and call us, why such fear? Maybe everything that is connected with the USA is also a very big bluff, inflated by the media and singing along, bought for grandmothers, such as ours, for example, Gaidars, dogs and the rest of the dermantin?
    1. +7
      August 17 2016
      "Maybe everything connected with the USA is also a very big bluff, blown up by the media
      and singing along, bought for the money "////

      Exactly. am
      I took a ticket to New York, thought I would see a city with skyscrapers,
      and we fly up: "oops, several dozen Indian wigwams, village huts, a bar and a wooden church ..."
      All bluffing. New York was filmed in Hollywood, and Hollywood itself was filmed at the Mosfilm film studio, where the director was paid by cool grandmas (those same dozens of Indians and cowboys).
      Do not believe in America, there is none ... stop
  22. +5
    August 17 2016
    It would be loot - they would build their station. But they won’t. Their people here will give the project a ride. And how cool it would be to build your own station, and let the ISS be drowned or something ... Only take yours from there.
  23. +2
    August 17 2016
    Quote: Letun
    And their rover didn’t go on Mars,
    and the Hubble telescope is also vile propaganda ... And

    There is no need to lean on "I" here!
    The fact that they were at the time when they reported about it. The well-known footage of the "chronicle" has spread around the world ...
    And these are completely different things: the Hub and a manned flight and landing / return start to Earth. Especially considering the technological capabilities of the time.
    They were not on the moon. Stopudovo!
    There were some of those. inconsistencies, people from those involved in the "lunar program" said ...
  24. +2
    August 17 2016
    Kenneth Todd said on August 15 that Russia pledged to support the current program until at least 2024.
    It will also indicate that Russia is obliged to do what is not.
    And if the Americans have to leave the station, for them it will be the end of manned space programs in general. Because there’s nowhere to fly, understand?
    Not where and nothing. And in general, when Americans begin to hysteria, it's like a balm for the soul. So Russia is doing everything right.
    1. +7
      August 17 2016
      The plot of the plot development was that in a crisis situation, while the Russian cosmonauts were fighting for the life of the station, the American was dumped into a descent module. No, this post is not about national hatred, guys. The fact is that this episode is based on a real case.

      I watched the movie. I think that you can’t say that about Michael, he climbed on the order of the ship. Yes, and undocked the cables and pulled them out with ours. This applies more to the doctor.
      In general, the guys got a unique flight, all the way to the landing.

      What am I doing - we are now wary of the Americans. But they, like us, are very different. There was and is astronaut Michael, a great guy, and there is Michael Boom, who doesn’t come out of our television screens (I’ll notice Russian ones). But how different they are! The good guys here and in America need to unite and make sure that idiots in power do not burn the World.
  25. +1
    August 17 2016
    And what air convection systems are not for cleaning from dust and accidentally from smoke? In addition, in my opinion there should be a system of compressed information for each emergency that could be transmitted in a short period of time or had on board as an extended array of additional instructions. Although in 97 this probably was not already. I'm not talking about the fact that power and low-potential electrical circuits should not be combined and must be wired, and potentially dangerous devices generally removed outside the crew’s vital area.
    1. +3
      August 17 2016
      Quote: gridasov
      I'm not talking about the fact that power and low-potential electrical circuits should not be combined and must be wired

      You are late with your discovery!
      This is still A.S. Pushkin in the poem "Poltava" depicted:
      "It's impossible to harness into one cart.
      A horse and a quivering doe. "
      1. +7
        August 17 2016
        Quote: V.ic
        You are late with your discovery!

        Well, what are you flattening Gridasov, this is his first comment without "longitudinal polarization" laughing Well, probably people have not heard about the standards for installing power and low-current lines, about the plenum cable, about telemetry and similar things.
        1. +1
          August 17 2016
          And you are right! I just asked a question and got cons. I really do not know the standards and subtleties. And why are you so enraged at me?
        2. +2
          August 18 2016
          Quote: bk316
          Well, what are you flattening Gridasov, this is his first comment without "longitudinal polarization"

          I AM? No, I'm not a press, not a vice, not even a juicer ... stop It's just that sometimes nightingales sing so that you will hear, but only about what is understandable and close only to themselves, but in the relation "right-left" feel trying to apply the equations of J.K. Maxwell, which is not always effective. negative
          1. +1
            August 18 2016
            With such a number of minuses, it’s just impossible not to note that the fire occurred because the zone of intense tension was not unloaded. This suggests that when modeling the same magnetic circuit, amateur scientists have no idea how magnetic fluxes are distributed, where are the areas of their highest concentration, which means that when the load is connected, they are the centers of instability and accidents. o you can’t use cables twisted into bundles, this is just a crime. Moreover, chemical oxygen generators also pose a terrible danger and there are not enough brains to turn ordinary water work into a process of water destruction, not only with increased energy consumption, but with its generation.
            Once again, I will always repeat that any equation is a solution to a particular problem in the form of specific parameters of mathematical inputs. By changing these inputs, you always get a mathematical sequence that gives only statistics, but if you create the input as algorithms, then the sequences will be algorithmic. This means that it will be possible to see the process and its direction of development with areas of growth and concentration of the process up to critical moments when the process is transformed to a new level. Therefore, formulas and equations are for apple counting, and highly dynamic processes are analyzed by methods of constructing it as number algorithms. Think gentlemen!
            1. +1
              August 18 2016
              Quote: gridasov
              highly dynamic processes are analyzed by methods of constructing it as algorithms of numbers. Think gentlemen!

              You are so smart now ... when designers have both computers and supercomputers. When the "World" was "counted", there was only the era of microcalculators. "Electronics B3-21" was the height of perfection. And the resources of the "big machines" were scheduled months ahead.
              1. AUL
                +2
                August 18 2016
                YES .... Enough of you, dear gridasov, in all 3 posts in this article, written in normal language. And then, you see, it covered again ...
  26. +8
    August 17 2016
    At the word American, I have experienced a complex range of feelings since Soviet times, the equivalent of which is a herd of macaques. Understanding that this is all the corrupting influence of the CPSU and the Komsomol, I am gathering willpower and convince myself that the Americans are also almost the same people as we are.
    As for the cosmos, we depend on them, what good is it for us besides hamburgers and cola?
    We put on their sanctions, if there was any help from them, then let them go further and further away.
    1. +3
      August 17 2016
      Quote: Balu
      At the word American, I have experienced a complex range of feelings since Soviet times, the equivalent of which is a herd of macaques.
      1. 0
        August 17 2016
        This is not a macaque, this is a gibbon, if I am not mistaken. But ... one of the neighboring peoples, this representative who has lagged behind in evolution, also reminds.
  27. +3
    August 17 2016
    Quote: Brigadier
    It's time to drive the Americans out of the station.
    The time has come to do what we need ourselves, and their miserable handouts, we don’t need to get by, they are giving us sanctions in the face, and we will keep walking from the station, here’s a worthy solution to the problem ...
    1. +2
      August 17 2016
      Quote: masiya
      , and we will walk from the station, here’s a worthy solution to the question ...

      Before you "trample", check out whose modules the ISS consists of. wink (click photo)
      1. -1
        August 18 2016
        It would be nice to write weight and hermetic volume. And do not paint round in one color and square in another.
      2. 0
        August 19 2016
        Where did you get that picture? I've seen that almost all of our iron is there!
  28. -2
    August 17 2016
    Quote: ArikKhab
    Cosmonaut Aleksey Arkhipovich Leonov (a person quite authoritative in this field) does not think so


    It seems that Leonov and the Moon are twin brothers ... and what, there are no other cosmonauts in the country and did not exist?
    In addition, Leonov does not have his own opinion - that he was ordered - that he says! Yes, and after Zvezdnoye - not badly "landed" in the management of the bank ... so stop referring to him - this is not an authority!
  29. +4
    August 17 2016
    Just imagine - in minus forty, stick your fingers in gloves through the cable harness, unscrew the thumb-sized connector, pull it out, ring one contact, and then push it into place and screw it, and so many times ...

    Then they supplied power from solar panels, turned on the life support system and the orientation system, everything started, they oriented the station, and then, gradually, over the course of several days, the situation at the station returned to a suitable person ...


    Our guys, no words, well done! I read it and takes pride in our people. It’s only a pity that sometimes we fly off the coils, like the 91st.

    And what pr_urok wants to fight with our men? Be brave, daredevil.
    1. +2
      August 17 2016
      They really wanted to live. And they prepared them carefully, working out everything that can be worked out to automatism. And then they were afraid, after landing, for a glass of tea. Which does not beg their courage and composure.
      1. +1
        August 17 2016
        The ISS crews regularly conduct exercises - an alarm is sent from the Earth to one of the sensors, and the astronauts act in accordance with the instructions. Gas masks and fire extinguishers are taken out, after which they are sent to the place of emergency with the analyzer. Training takes about an hour, sometimes the crew has to seal the burning compartment to protect other parts of the station. In extreme cases, if people are in danger, there are plans for evacuation to Earth. Two Soyuz spacecraft are always docked to the station - the one on which the last crew flew in, and the rescue.
  30. +2
    August 17 2016
    The Americans need a station, we need money - while everyone is happy. To understand the essence of the problem closer, see today's previous article on the topic:

    https://topwar.ru/99393-smi-rossiya-snizit-izderzhki-po-ekspluatacii-mks-planiru

    ya-zapustit-sobstvennyy-proekt.html

    «Already, Roskosmos's expenses for maintaining the station are much less than NASA's... Russian media report that from 2016 to 2025 Roskosmos plans to allocate the same amount for ISS maintenance as NASA spends in one year.

    In my opinion, the participation of Americans in the work at the station prevents the conduct of scientific experiments on closed topics, they have to be carried out with the risk of information leakage. Pull two stations; The ISS and its own, it is unlikely at the moment we are appropriate.
  31. +9
    August 17 2016
    The ISS and I will not argue. The station is INTERNATIONAL. And we are obliged to carry foreign astronauts by agreement. But we can reduce the stay of our cosmonauts there to the minimum necessary to maintain the modules of our segment in a fully operational state, and then in 2024. disconnect them and make up their station based on them This is discussed in the article. And I believe that this is the most correct and politically advantageous option.
  32. +2
    August 17 2016
    Your station is EXTREMELY necessary! Technologies and weapons need to be worked out somewhere, especially weapons. The enemy is already on the verge - in (to) Ukraine climbed, it would be time to start it and slow down!
  33. +7
    August 17 2016
    More than once, the rule of the humpbacked Judah and the traitors Yakovlev and Volkogonov, and the EBN, came to us. The cost of space certainly pays off after many years. The curtailment of the space program leads to the disappearance of specialists and trained production personnel.
    Liberal democrats will not bring us any "Western values" except pederasty, sodomism and pedophilia. Checked for 404.
    It is necessary to return popular democracy.
  34. +5
    August 17 2016
    Honestly, for me this film is a revelation. In my opinion, we are used to the fact that flying into space is almost like running into a stall for cigarettes. It turns out
    this is completely wrong, and our guys are real Heroes.
  35. +2
    August 17 2016
    Quote: stock buildbat
    The ISS and I will not argue. The station is INTERNATIONAL. And we are obliged to carry foreign astronauts by agreement. But we can reduce the stay of our cosmonauts there to the minimum necessary to maintain the modules of our segment in a fully operational state, and then in 2024. disconnect them and make up their station based on them This is discussed in the article. And I believe that this is the most correct and politically advantageous option.

    This seems to be the case. ".. The reduction of the Russian presence from three cosmonauts to two means that the Americans will have to take over part of the routine maintenance of the station. And they don't know how to do that ..." And they will have to increase our pay (which is unlikely) or yell to the whole world about the "dishonesty of Russia's behavior" and abandon this program.
  36. +3
    August 17 2016
    The United States has always loved and loves to enter paradise on someone else's hump.
  37. +4
    August 17 2016
    The Americans strive to control Russia in all areas, including space ...
  38. +2
    August 17 2016
    More would be - articles on the restoration of the space station and the Antarctic too. good
  39. +2
    August 17 2016
    ... let's look at this. If the Russians leave this station, they will make another for themselves. Because they can. And if the Americans have to leave the station, for them it will be the end of manned space programs in general. Because there’s nowhere to fly, understand?
    We will see? ... do it yourself on your own, when, in the face of reduced funding for space research, the crew is reduced? Some kind of untimely look. The following is striking:
    "We will confront everything that can add risk to the program. First of all, the risk for our crew on board and the station itself," said the former American astronaut.
    Confront it like more sanctions will be announced? They behave like gentlemen with service staff. Although it is no longer surprising or even angry, it has long been clear on what basis this partnership is. And for space, you can tighten your belts ... among the oligarchs as well.
  40. +3
    August 17 2016
    In general, I wonder how you can not get lost and put out the fire in orbit. Here, people in an ordinary fire sit on the ass.
    1. +7
      August 17 2016
      Quote: Sultan Babay
      In general, I wonder how you can not get confused and put out a fire in orbit

      Work, work and work. Training, cramming. Regular, regulatory, non-standard. Brainstorming on what else could happen.
      And again work, work and work.

      Well, at least that was the case in the USSR. I was a little seconded to the CPC - well, to hell with such a job.
  41. +1
    August 17 2016
    Well, they have nowhere to fly and FIG with them, with the Americans.
    If only there were no agreements and contracts. And then pay them for leaving the station.
    Here's a build, but in collaboration with someone.
  42. +7
    August 17 2016
    A friend of mine, let's call him BB, (the technical director of an organization close to avionics and astronautics and other defense industries) asked me a question: did I wonder why the USSR sent crews of 2-3 people into space, and the USA 7-8 ?
    I replied that the United States probably had more extensive research programs.
    "Nothing of the kind," VV told me, "just one of our cosmonauts performed the functions of 2-4 specialists and this speaks of the level of education in the USSR and the USA. Now the Bologna process has been imposed on us, and instead of intelligent graduates of universities and technical schools, we get poorly educated, but ambitious" lapdogs "" ...
  43. 0
    August 17 2016
    Quote: Be proud.
    It was thanks to the flooding of the Mir station that Russia was able to more actively engage in another major project - the International Space Station

    This is the reason why they insisted on the sinking of the "Mir"
  44. +5
    August 17 2016
    Eh, guys ... Well, sometimes you have to turn on the thinking ... Let's see - the training of foreign cosmonauts in our center takes from a year to one and a half years. Do you seriously think that they are only engaged in "health promotion"? By no means guys, most of the time is spent on studying the station and ensuring its life. Hence, training in spacewalk, working with batteries (replacing panels, etc.), using a tool in a spacesuit, and much more. Because the message that shtatovtsy can not do anything is just nonsense. No one was able to launch it into space. The life of the entire crew depends on this. But to reduce the composition of ours - the idea is probably correct. Here and additional money is possible and reducing the risks for ours. Personally, I like this idea. Let one of ours stay there, and all the others will be foreigners. The program is still approved on the ground.
  45. 0
    August 17 2016
    chat all the masters
  46. +2
    August 17 2016
    and how to work, so Russian ...
  47. 0
    August 17 2016
    dos, they are in space - dos.
    Yes, I remember that Dzhanibekov and Savinykh then performed a feat with Salute.
    Do not understand them Russian ever. So - in any case, they are losers.
  48. +1
    August 17 2016
    Quote: Vladimirets
    "And there is no one to repair all this economy, except for the Russians."

    We know this from the documentary "Armageddon". Yes

    Why this banter. Heroism is beyond the limits, one must be proud of this, and understand. Americans understand by the way. True, in its own way, for them, a decrease in the Russian crew leads to a multiple increase in risk, read financial losses in the billions. And for us it’s men's work, work for real men.
  49. +1
    August 17 2016
    Quote: gray smeet
    davidlee52: NASA and others, do not try to deceive us. There is no ISS, all these pictures are computer graphics.


    hell, we (NASA) have discovered they will have to reveal the truth to the world: the earth is flat and rests on three elephants that stand on a turtle ;-): D: D: D: D: D: D
  50. 0
    August 18 2016
    Here they are, the "true heroes" saving the world. Anglo-Saxons are rotten, who can only shit on Russia at the OI, in Ukraine, in Syria and further down the list. Vile, vile nation.
  51. +1
    August 18 2016
    a very good squiggle for the Yankees with their “great power”, but the domestic CS will still be there, give it time...
  52. 0
    August 18 2016
    They can’t fly into space without us anyway.
    1. +1
      August 18 2016
      They can fly without us - it just takes a lot of money to do it.
      1. +1
        August 18 2016
        And in another comment they wrote
        Quote: Vadim237
        Yes, don’t worry - they have already created five manned spacecraft, which are intended primarily for flights to the ISS
  53. +2
    August 18 2016
    “The earth is the cradle of humanity. You cannot live in a cradle all your life” K.E. Tsiolkovsky.
    China launched its "Heavenly Palace" station. Moreover, Russia must have its own, full-fledged spacecraft, but this can only exist if there is a full-fledged Space program, which in turn can only exist if there is a corresponding State ideology of space exploration! This is the future of both Russia and all of Humanity. Everything else is secondary, works for the interests of our enemies that are alien to us and takes us to the side of the main path to the Universe.
  54. +1
    August 18 2016
    For good measure, it’s high time for Americans to be disconnected from space. Let it across the seas swim.
  55. +1
    August 18 2016
    Even women can work in the cold with buttons and bolts... Surveyors, mostly women, work with theodolites in quarries in temperatures of -35 degrees all their lives. We overhauled the BelAZ engine with the replacement of all the stuffing (it’s even easier to insert cold pistons into hot sleeves) outside in -40 frost. And how do the guys work on the drilling rigs in Surgutneftegaz - the frost there is more than -50. My drillers drove 200 km off-road on tractors in the Ayano-Maisky region at a frost of -45. This is a real feat that is not covered by the press...
  56. 0
    August 18 2016
    Well, it’s great to save money. and Americans will have to pay more for their flights.
  57. 0
    August 18 2016
    Quote: Letun

    ...Look, 3 weeks ago one of these jumped from 3 m without a parachute onto a net stretched between cranes...

    From 7,6 thousand. You need to be more careful.
  58. +1
    August 18 2016
    Quote: Morf
    that's exactly what "holds" - because they can print as many bucks as they want, and for the bucks they will hire a Polish plumber, or a Ukrainian


    They may hire plumbers, but where will these plumbers get practical experience in repairing spacecraft in real conditions? Not to mention emergency situations, like those described in the article...
  59. +1
    August 18 2016
    I’m surprised how else they even let us into the station?
    They would say that “accressors” are not allowed in or that all Russians have meldonium in their pants.
    Tell me that we carry them on our hump... uh, excuse me, on our rockets to the station and back?
    It's no problem!
    PACE kicked out and deprived Russia of its voice and nothing - we pay our partners money in full. Or, for example, WADA spoiled all the Olympic raspberries, but we regularly give them millions of dollars.
    This is our kind of politeness - we get heaps of crap, and we kick them in the face with dollars and dollars! We are waiting for them to choke on their green ones..
    We are like that! Cool, as much as soft-boiled.
  60. +1
    August 18 2016
    About the toilet - this is the true truth! laughing

    We, already in the “Vostok”, had a normal toilet.
    The Americans flew on the Mercury in disgusting diapers.
    On Gemini 6, the diaper was better, but after a week the ship turned into a barrel of feces (the flight period was 14 days).
    On the Apollo, a constant discussion among the crew was whose poop was flying around the cabin. Because they screwed up a bag that stuck on the butt (that was true!), which had to be manipulated with two hands; and still it crashed.
    On the Shuttles, the toilet kept breaking down; they carried diapers with them all the time.
    What will happen if their toilet is taken away on the ISS - I don’t really know. laughing

    But - in fairness - it should be noted that in 1973-1974 the Ameridas carried out no less complex repairs to their Skylab station. Since then, they have probably forgotten how.
    1. +1
      August 18 2016
      It didn’t break down, it just didn’t work, so they flew, not all over the shuttle, but in a small booth fenced off next to the entrance.
  61. 0
    August 18 2016
    to carry out a unique docking with a station rotating along two axes at once, and they did this, of course, in manual mode
    After all, they licked it off, which means it’s theirs for the cinema.
  62. 0
    August 19 2016
    But in their films, they are all super specialists, and we, wearing earflaps and felt boots, fix everything with a sledgehammer.
  63. +1
    August 19 2016
    And then they claim to have landed on the moon many times? Did they shit (while flying back and forth) directly into outer space through a special airlock?
  64. +1
    August 19 2016
    I want to clarify. During the fire, American Michael Fool was with our cosmonauts at the station. Our cosmonauts spoke very warmly about him: Watch the film “Nowhere to Run: Fire on the Space Station.”
    The foul did not hurt even when all his things and laptop remained in the damaged module.
    He was ready to go into space for repairs in our spacesuit to help, although he had not undergone training.
    In contrast to him, the previous “passenger” of the space tourist DeVito is still a crank.
  65. +2
    August 20 2016


    From the discussion!
    Some simple questions arise:
    1.Who filmed Amstrong’s descent down the ladder to the surface of the Moon? If the second astronaut was in the module at that time. So they sent someone with a camera in advance!? :-)

    2. HAVE THE AMERICANS BEEN ON THE MOON?
    Despite the fact that many politicians, astronauts, scientists and other “experts” claim (overwhelmingly unfounded and unsubstantiated) that Americans were on the Moon, I believe that no, no and no - no Americans are on any Moon haven't been. All this is a lie and a hoax caused by political considerations.
    If the Americans had really been to the Moon, then according to the law of nature (gravity on the Moon is 6 times weaker than on Earth), they would have to walk, jumping 6 times higher than on Earth, that is, if an astronaut on Earth rises to 20,30,40 cm, then on the Moon it would have to rise to 120, 180, 240 cm, that is, “float” over the head of another astronaut. In addition, there is no atmosphere on the Moon, which means that dust and pebbles come from under the feet of the astronaut or the rover on which he “rode.” should fly away as if they had been shot, and not swirl in a cloud, as on Earth. And third (the funniest thing!), if the astronauts had flown to the Moon on the crashed Apollo 13, they would not have had to “lose” an entire block of the ship during the flight... What does this mean? This means that the block located in space near the Moon should not have been lost, and at the same time (in the same hours, minutes and seconds) should have been present in the waters of the Bay of Biscay, where it was caught by Soviet sailors and delivered to the port of Murmansk, where he was subsequently handed over to stunned American sailors. This fact was captured on the Internet by Hungarian reporters and should not raise doubts.
    You can cite about a hundred oddities - absurdities that happened to the Apollos during their flights, being on the Moon and returning to Earth. Without referring to at least some absurdities, we can conclude: American flights to the Moon are a vile lie! Lies and lies!
    Lie?! Or maybe the Americans flew after all, but made a film about flights in a film studio with all the absurdities? This is possible in principle, but... what about the “brought lunar soil?” Ha ha ha! And this is the most terrible absurdity... The “soil” they brought turned out to be from Antarctica and even a tree that had petrified over the miles of its existence. A piece of this “soil” was presented to the King of the Netherlands... and here, as they say, all questions disappear...
    No matter how you look at it, the American flight to the moon is a hoax.
    Why it arose is a special story associated with the collusion of the USA and the USSR: the USA, wanting to “show off” in front of the world as a great power, gagged with dollars and some political concessions to the USSR, which was destined to remain silent in this collusion... Here is the USSR, and behind it and Russia are still silent. But gradually the lies disappear: and now the truth about the “flights” of the Americans appeared on the TV screen.
    1. +1
      August 20 2016
      Where did you get all this? Perhaps you still believe in THIS?
      There is a poem by the Soviet poet Alexander Tvardovsky on the topic of American flights to the moon.
      Let us even admit that we are not lying, that we are not blind.
      But why, to your own detriment, shout about it?
      We are not born with simplicity, but we can hardly object:
      Those who flew to the moon were not done with a finger...
      Why did you write all this, immediately categorically accusing ALL the specialists of OUR country, who were making sure that you and I were not deceived, of colluding with the Americans? How can you now say anything if you do not directly have the slightest connection to this, and perhaps did not even live at the time of this event.
      For example, I believe history textbooks and the man who first went into outer space, Alexei Leonov. You ask yourself a question, what can convince me, if the answer is: I don’t want to believe in it, then what can I talk to you about directly? You are an orthodox believer in MISTAKES, no more and no less.
  66. 0
    August 20 2016
    Quote: Captain45
    Quote: PENZYAC
    Besides, how are they there, I apologize for the intimate question, went to the toilet? The diapers? ...

    About three months ago, on the Internet, a topic suddenly arose about the flights of Americans to the Moon, I read an article where our engineer from the space industry, I don’t remember his last name (sorry I didn’t save the article), cited facts that until 1987 the Americans had neither Apollo, nor there were no toilets on the "Skylbe", they appeared only on the "Shuttles", and then we borrowed the development methodology, restructuring. And before that, we went into diapers and put the whole thing in bags, and since there was no ice with tightness, that's all d * rmo often sailed around the ship and the station. Unlike Soviet cosmonauts for whom urine collectors were made individually for a specific organ.

    laughing laughing laughing
  67. +1
    August 22 2016
    HELLO!! Such a complex high-tech product ISS has the main characteristic as a maximum operating time. As far as I remember it was 10 years old. This is the maximum time for the main systems to fail. It is impossible to repair or replace everything. There are already systems that are not working. not yet critical. This was the case on both Salyut and Mir.. Satellites have a larger reserve of work. The problem is also created by hares arriving at the station. Along with the equipment and products, all sorts of astronauts arrive on the ISS for free in the form of bacteria and viruses of all kinds of mold... No matter how hard they fight them, they are there... And little by little they begin to chom on all sorts of plastic and metals... It seemed like nonsense, but there they show themselves perfectly well .On Earth, these voracious cosmonauts have a lot of other pleasant food, but there they have to eat what they have. One can guess that the limits of the capabilities of some important systems are approaching. The nuclear submarine can come to the plant and troubleshoot problems. The ISS is not given this. Knowledge, experience and ways to combat such phenomena are being accumulated. New composite materials are being tested. This is the share for stations. in near-Earth space to study possible ways to combat such problems. It is clear that the new station will have a completely different time interval of operation.
  68. 0
    August 22 2016
    How a reserve submariner shuddered all three times, the last time at the mention of a broken toilet)

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