TU-144. Was the battle for supersonic lost?

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Exactly 35 years ago, the aircraft was taken out of continuous operation, which became the pride of our aviation industry, the Tu-144. The first in the world (there were only two of them, along with the "Concord") supersonic passenger aircraft. AT history sunk another battle of the USSR and the capitalist world.

It seems that the battle was lost outright. Tu-144 during the operation made 102 commercial flights, of which 55 passenger. A total of 144 passengers were transported by Tu-3284, which is civilian aviationthat on the scale of the USSR, that on a global scale, in general, about nothing. For comparison: the main competitor of the Tu-144 - Concord - has transported more than 2,5 million people during its operation.

But in any story there are nuances. About them and it is worth talking.

The end of 60-x - the beginning of 70-ies of the last century were marked by an unprecedented flourishing of air traffic and civil aviation around the world. At the same time, the idea of ​​using supersonic machines for long-distance flights arose in Europe and the USSR. In the first case, high speeds were needed in order to reduce the time of crossing the Atlantic between Europe and the United States, in the second, the vast expanses of the Soviet country played a decisive role, and it was also desirable to overcome them as quickly as possible.

As a result, in Europe and the USSR almost simultaneously began to develop unique supersonic airliners that are conceptually similar, but structurally noticeably different from each other: Concord and Tu-144.

Experts to this day argue about whether there were "borrowing" ideas, technologies and design solutions when creating these two unique aircraft. The French in their time very fiercely tried to prove that the TU-144 was “ripped off” from the “Concord”, but all attempts ended in nothing. Machines really were different.

Of course, the aircraft developers, as they say, looked towards their competitors, but primarily proceeded from their own technical and technological capabilities. And in the USSR, in contrast to the French, who created the Concord from scratch, they had something to rely on.

It is believed that all promising samples of Soviet (and Russian) civilian technology, from trucks to supersonic aircraft, are based on whether or not military models have taken place. And Tu-144 is no exception.

The creation of a supersonic passenger aircraft was a "multi-way" process; its developments here were represented by the Tupolev, Sukhoi and Myasishchev Design Bureau, which at that time had not only theoretical developments in the field of creating large supersonic aircraft. And in the Tu-144, if desired, it was possible to find separate nodes and schemes from M-50, T-4 and Tu-135.

Most of all, of course, the Tu-144 took from the unrealized project of the Tu-135 bomber and its passenger version Tu-135. But there was no real military analogue of the flying Tu-144.

One way or another, supersonic airplanes, including heavy ones, were already created in the 1950s. Therefore, there were not too many exceptional ideas in the project. Tu-144 has absorbed a lot of what was invented by the military. And we knew how to build military aircraft and build them. Fact.

TU-144. Was the battle for supersonic lost?
[center] Takeoff of the first Tu-144 from the VASO airfield.


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Wings appeared only on the third copy. In the first two samples they were not


The main problem for aircraft manufacturers was that the supersonic will be the strongest surface heating. And this problem needs to be solved not in relation to a small plane or a bomber with a small crew, but to a huge passenger liner. Which not only must fly at great speed over long distances, but also provide the necessary comfort for passengers.




Crew Jobs.


Since I live in the city where all the Tu-144 were born, then finding the person who took part in assembling and covering it was almost not difficult. I managed to talk with Irina Fedorovna Vyakhireva, who in those years worked for VASO as an electrical engineer. And several times participated in test flights, controlling dozens of kilometers of wiring and hundreds of aircraft servomotors. Including when flying on supersonic.

So, according to the memoirs of Irina Fyodorovna, the noise during the flight was just terrible, especially in the tail section. We had to yell at each other's ears, without exaggeration. The noise from the engines in the tail section of the aircraft in the middle was compensated by the howling of the engine cooling system motors. And these problems were solved, starting with the first flight of the Tu-144, and it can be said that they were finally resolved.


[center] 2 class passenger compartment


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1 class passenger compartment



Kitchen block


There were also more serious questions of controllability in the entire speed range, as well as balancing the liner. So on the Tu-144 appeared front wings, which were used in take-off and landing modes. A deflectable nose fairing was implemented, which improved visibility from the cockpit during takeoff and landing. Many new developments have been applied in the ACS, which provides automation of basic procedures. In any case, the Tu-144 was for the USSR an outstanding achievement in terms of technology, materials, avionics, control systems.





It is a pity, but the Tu-144 was not destined to become a real conqueror of distances. The reason for this was the eternal headache of our aircraft industry: the engine.

The first version of the Tu-144 with the NK-144А engines did not satisfy the Aeroflot in terms of flight range at all - it could be operated on lines up to 4000 km long.

Therefore, the Tu-144 was used only on one regular line: Moscow — Alma-Ata. But here, too, the aircraft lacked fuel “from the threshold to the threshold”. The trouble was that if for some reason the airport of Alma-Ata could not take on board, Tashkent remained the only alternate airfield capable of receiving the Tu-144. In case of closing due to weather conditions and it was simply nowhere to land an aircraft with passengers. It is not surprising that the pilots themselves compared the flights on the Tu-144 with a “kiss with a tiger”. And every Tu-144 flight to Almaty and back turned into one continuous stress for crews, dispatching services and aviation officials.

The first hit, the T-144, received the 3 June 1973, at the Le Bourget Air Show. A very strange and tragic flight, never fully investigated.



After performing a demonstration flight at low altitude and low speed, with the landing gear released and the front wing of the Tu-144 landing.

What happens next does not fit into the canons of common sense: in some two hundred meters above the ground, a strained howl of forced engines is heard, and the plane soars upwards with a candle, removing the landing gear and front wings on the move. When the altitude reaches the order of 1200 meters, it goes into a horizontal flight for a fraction of a second and ... falls into a sharp dive. Four seconds later, at a height of 750 meters, the Tu-144 tries to get out of the peak and even release the front wings.

As it turns out later, the overload has now reached the value in 4 − 4,5 units. The attempt to level the car continued for another four seconds. On the 5 second after starting to pull out of a dive at an altitude of 280 meters at a speed of 780 km / h, the left front wing does not withstand the load. Solid-sized construction is separated from the fuselage and hits the main wing, punching the fuel tank. Mortally wounded car spins to the left, enormous overloads begin to tear the plane apart into the air.

Flames engulfed in flames fell on the nearby village of Hussenville, completely destroying five buildings and killing eight people. Another 25 people from those on the ground were seriously injured.

The crew of the aircraft composed of Mikhail Kozlov (commander), Valery Molchanov (2 th pilot), Vladimir Benderov (test manager), Anatoly Dralin (flight engineer), George Bazhenov (navigator), Boris Pervukhina (lead test engineer) died completely.

The investigation conducted by the joint Soviet-French commission lasted more than a year, but it was not possible to determine the exact cause of the catastrophe. The commission found that all aircraft systems were operating normally. The only reason for the catastrophe, according to members of the commission, could have been the crew’s attempt to divert the plane from the alleged collision with the French reconnaissance aircraft Mirage III R, from which the photographic and filming of the Tu-144 was taken.

The trajectories of the Tu-144 and Mirage did not intersect. Aircraft moved in the same direction and at different heights. However, according to the findings of the commission, the Soviet crew, not being able to visually assess the direction of the Mirage’s flight, could have taken a sharp evasive maneuver. At the same time, the test manager who was standing in the cockpit of the Tu-144 with the movie camera, without being fastened, could fall and block the pilot's actions.

"Sharp maneuver" performed by 200-ton machine ... Hmmm ...

Nevertheless, work on the Tu-144 continued. The new modification of the engine allowed to increase the range of the liner. Tu-144D was almost ready for operation on long-haul lines.

However, 23 May 1978, a new crash occurred Tu-144D. And not a prototype, and the aircraft intended for transfer to the line Moscow - Khabarovsk. During the flight, fuel ignited in the area of ​​the 3 engine due to the destruction of the fuel line. The crew was forced to make an emergency landing on the field near Yegoryevsk near Moscow. A fire started. The crew commander, co-pilot and navigator left the plane through the pane of the cockpit. Two aboard the engineer got out through the front exit door. Two of their colleagues were less fortunate - being clamped in their seats when the plane fell, they could not get out of the plane and died in the fire.

31 July 1980 of the year during the next test flight of the aircraft with the 77113 tail number in a supersonic mode at the height of 16 000 meters, one of the engines was destroyed. The crew managed with great difficulty to get the car out of a dive and land.

The leadership of the country really wanted to start commercial operation of the Tu-XNUMHD, since the prestige of the USSR as an advanced aviation power was at stake. Especially in light of the fact that "Concord" firmly settled on flights across the Atlantic.

The last attempt to put the Tu-144D on the line was made at the end of the 1981 year. The plane was supposed to start flights on the route Moscow-Krasnoyarsk. But ... The next destruction of the engines during ground tests, and regular flights had to be postponed. Forever and ever.



And after the death of Brezhnev, the attitude to the Tu-144 changed dramatically. Aeroflot tried with all its might to get rid of the plane, which, except for a headache, had nothing. As a result, the Tu-144D was removed from passenger flights with an official conclusion about “a bad impact on people's health when crossing the sound barrier.”

And yet, the Tu-144 is not "leaked" completely. Located on the VASO stocks in Voronezh, 4 from 5 aircraft was completed. The further fate of these aircraft is unique, and will allow me to put a rather optimistic end in the end.

The base of the Tu-144 was the airfield in Zhukovsky, where the planes were not just based, but even periodically flew. Tu-XNUMHD used to deliver urgent cargo and correspondence, as well as flying laboratories.

The joint Roscosmos and NASA program involved a modified Tu-144 with a 77114 tail number, called Tu-144LL (Flying Laboratory). The main goal of the research was the development of a plan for creating a supersonic passenger aircraft of the 21st century. When NASA was "played enough", in 1999, the research was discontinued.

Today, all the remaining Tu-144 (8 units) are in storage, or as museum exhibits. Only copies of Zhukovsky Tu-144 No. 77115, which is exhibited at MAKS and Tu-144LL No. 77114, can be brought to flight status.

It would seem that all history is over. And it is not over in favor of the Tu-144, who lost the fight against the Concorde, which flew longer and farther, and carried a significant number of passengers. Yes, commercially, Concord won.

However, work to improve the Tu-144, and in particular the projects Tu-144K and Tu-144KP, allowed us to do what we have today.

The border was the same year 1981. The year when the non-ascending star Tu-144 rolled. But it was this year, December 18, made the first flight of the sample "70-01". Test pilot Boris Veremey lifted into the air the first sample of what later became the "White Swan", Tu-160.








There is something in common, isn't it?


The basis for the Tu-160 was precisely the Tu-144 and work carried out in the history of this aircraft.

Yes, the Tu-144 was an innovative aircraft. Engineers were not ready for its appearance, there were a lot of difficulties with ground infrastructure. But the Concorde, which won the Tu-144 commercial competition, is now in history, and it is unlikely that it will have at least some continuation. But the Tu-160, which absorbed a lot from the Tu-144, still carries out its service to protect our peace and security. And still has no analogues.

And for some reason, the developers and creators of "Concord" did not even try to repeat what the "Tupolevtsy" did, going from Tu-144KP to Tu-160. Do not, because it will not bring benefits? Maybe.

In any case, the question of whether or not we lost the battle for supersonic for large aircraft is not as straightforward as it seems at first glance. A glance at the numbers of passengers carried and money earned.

And really, who won? Large planes capable of flying at supersonic speeds are now only in Russia ...
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  1. +1
    15 August 2016 06: 55
    Large aircraft capable of flying at supersonic speeds are now left only in Russia ...

    But with this it is not entirely clear - what did the respected author mean? If passenger, then they do not fly with us, and museum ones also have Concordes. request
    Concord and Tu-144 Museum of Technology in Sinsheim, Germany.
    1. +30
      15 August 2016 07: 32
      The author did not mean Tu-144, but Tu-160
      1. avt
        +8
        15 August 2016 09: 52
        Quote: Griboedoff
        The author did not mean Tu-144, but Tu-160

        No, it’s the 144th and in Zhukovsky, read the article carefully. But here
        The basis for the Tu-160 was precisely the Tu-144 and work carried out in the history of this aircraft.
        wassat And with what kind of fright did the Tupolevites then hurt the Myasischevsky on the topic of the strategist competition ???
        1. +4
          15 August 2016 10: 50
          Sobsno did not hurt, but simply received a finished plane from the side.
          1. +5
            15 August 2016 13: 20
            As I understand it, the Tu-144 glider even with a weak engine managed to fall apart from overload during sharp maneuvers. On the Tu-160, a completely different cut of wings extended to the upper part and constituting a single integral beam.
            1. FID
              +16
              15 August 2016 13: 43
              Quote: Mahmut
              On the Tu-160, a completely different cut of wings extended to the upper part and constituting a single integral beam.

              I apologize, but the wing on the plane (the monoplane, of which the Tu-160 is) is one ... There are two consoles of the same wing and the center section combines them ...
              1. avt
                -1
                15 August 2016 16: 03
                Quote: SSI
                I apologize, but the wing on the plane (the monoplane, of which the Tu-160 is) is one thing ...

                Shaw !? Again with clarifications !? Also say that the wing has two planes, some kind of center wing you can think of .... There are birds and they wave their wings! laughing
                1. +1
                  15 August 2016 16: 13
                  Quote: avt
                  Also say that the wing has two planes, you’ll come up with a center section ....

                  winked And where does the hull end and the wing begin?
                  1. avt
                    0
                    15 August 2016 16: 26
                    Quote: Bad_gr
                    And where does the hull end and the wing begin?

                    The posted image is closed and for some reason is not loaded, so I can’t answer anything, I think something was laid out according to the integrated circuit of the wing?
                    Quote: Bad_gr
                    And where does the case end here

                    It is interesting - the SII will have enough patience and then explain that it is not the hull, but the fuselage? bully
                    1. +1
                      15 August 2016 16: 33
                      Quote: avt
                      The posted image is closed and for some reason is not loaded, so I can’t answer anything, I think something was laid out according to the integrated circuit of the wing?

                      sad
                      I'll try to quit again


                      I wonder why the pictures disappear? Below, for example, was a photo of the RD-36 engine. And this is not the first time here: at the beginning there is a photo, and after a while only comments without photos remain sad
                      1. avt
                        0
                        15 August 2016 17: 51
                        Quote: Bad_gr
                        I'll try to quit again

                        No. request Not water request
                      2. 0
                        15 August 2016 18: 21
                        Quote: avt
                        Can not see

                        sad Yes, and now I can’t see it, although at first they hung in my message. Discrimination however No.

                        PS
                        What am I doing wrong:
                        I find in nete the desired picture with the JPG extension. Through the button "Picture" I supplement my message with a picture. I supplement, usually, by correcting my message, since it is not registered immediately (Firefox browser).
                        Why, after some time, pictures are removed from the moss messages?
                      3. 0
                        15 August 2016 19: 42
                        add by copying the URL of the picture, why drag your own on the computer? or not that?
                      4. 0
                        15 August 2016 21: 54
                        Quote: code54
                        add by copying the URL of the picture, why drag your own on the computer? or not that?
                        So I do just that. After a couple of reboots, the picture (which has already appeared on the page) disappears.
                        Next time I will try to load from my computer.
              2. +5
                15 August 2016 16: 07
                The Tu-144 was equipped with 4 types of engines:
                NK-144, NK-144A, RD-36-51A, NK-32-1
                Of course, the characteristics of these aircraft were different. If with an NK-144 engine and 70 tons of fuel the plane flew at a range of up to 2920 km, then with an RD-36-51A engine and 98 tons of fuel at a range of 5330 km (according to other sources, at 6200 km).
                By the way, the RD-36-51A engine did not have an afterburner, but was designed for a long supersonic (2120 km / h) flight.

                smile Let me remind you that now supersonic flight at afterburner mode is one of the signs of a 5th generation aircraft.
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            3. 0
              15 August 2016 14: 07
              You have confused the weak with the heavy, and just do it all mixed up. lol
              But the joke turned out to be good.
            4. +1
              28 November 2016 13: 51
              the passenger airliner is not exactly designed for "transshipment of 4-4,5 units". Yes, and the Tu-160 is unlikely - not a fighter all the same
      2. +7
        15 August 2016 10: 07
        Quote: Griboedoff
        The author did not mean Tu-144, but Tu-160

        And the American supersonic strategic bomber with a variable sweep wing B-1B, the author has already written off smile ?
        1. +4
          17 August 2016 10: 13
          Quote: Bayonet
          Has the author already written off the American supersonic strategic bomber with the variable sweep wing B-1B?


          Do not tell my slippers ... what such a supersonic laughing

          On high:
          If the Tu-160 has a speed of 2200 km per hour, then your vaunted 1330 km per hour ...

          And the B-1B has a maximum of only 3 at an altitude of up to 1160 km ...
          And to tell you, the speed of sound at a height of 3000m or you will find it yourself ...

          Supersonic castrate your B1-B laughing
          1. -1
            18 August 2016 13: 21
            Quote: Dali


            Do not tell my slippers ... what such a supersonic laughing

            On high:
            If the Tu-160 has a speed of 2200 km per hour, then your vaunted 1330 km per hour ...

            And the B-1B has a maximum of only 3 at an altitude of up to 1160 km ...
            And to tell you, the speed of sound at a height of 3000m or you will find it yourself ...

            Supersonic castrate your B1-B laughing

            Yes, the Tu-160 flies much faster than the BBW. But still, at an altitude of 2300 m, this "Ulan" (Lancer) rides at a speed of Mach 2,2. So, alas, supersonic ...
            1. +2
              18 August 2016 13: 27
              1,25 - mistaken for the whole Mach.

              his unsuccessful "predecessor" B-2,2A tried to ride by 1, then they "lowered the bar", and simply called it B-1b (already with a small letter).
      3. +2
        15 August 2016 10: 20
        the author "heard something" ...

        the front wings are vortex generators flying to capture the operation of the mechanism for their removal-release The Mirage (simply for the purpose of industrial espionage) violated the regime of their vortex formation over the main wing, hence all subsequent events.

        Tu-144s did not fly much because few people had money for a ticket, and routes passed over populated land areas.
        1. +7
          15 August 2016 16: 46
          Quote: Simpsonian
          Tu-144s did not fly much because few people had money for a ticket, and routes passed over populated land areas.

          Due to the noise, Concorde was allowed to go to supersonic only over the ocean away from the coast.
          Even at subsonic speed, he was not quiet. My favorite at that time (1990e) Jacob Riis Park beach is right on the takeoff path from JFK. So when Concorde took off, it was understandable even before he climbed high enough to see him. The sound was indescribable, however, the spectacle was also more impressive than the largest passenger Boeing 747 in those days and even the non-weak C-5 Galaxy transporter seen a couple of times.
    2. +12
      15 August 2016 08: 05
      Quote: Bayonet
      But with this it is not entirely clear - what did the respected author mean?

      The author distinctly and in Russian said that he had in mind the Tu-160.
      1. +9
        15 August 2016 09: 53
        Quote: murriou
        Quote: Bayonet
        But with this it is not entirely clear - what did the respected author mean?

        The author distinctly and in Russian said that he had in mind the Tu-160.

        It seems that the author for some reason does not take into account the American B-1B bombers in operation. As of 2012, there were 66 of them in service, which is many times more than the Tu-160s in service with us. (According to open sources, there are now 16 Tu-160 aircraft in combat strength in Russia). B-1B has a speed of up to 2.2Max and has a take-off weight of about 216 tons (against the take-off weight of 275 tons in the Tu-160). The Tu-160, of course, is larger, but it is unlikely that this gives reason to not attribute the B-1B to large supersonic flying aircraft. By the way, the Tu-160 itself was developed precisely as a counterweight to the B-1. So the position of the author of the article is not entirely clear.
        1. +4
          15 August 2016 10: 48
          They are not so big, somewhere in the middle between the Tu-22M3 and Tu-160, and these B-1s can only fly at a speed of 1,3 Mach

          Something too big and fast turns out to be a counterweight.
          1. +1
            15 August 2016 17: 01
            B-1A exceeded 2M. The later, cheaper B-1Bs were limited to 1.3M, which is not weak for an aircraft of this size, when compared with the B-52 or B-2. We decided that the breakthrough of air defense at supersonic still does not work, and 1.3M is more than enough for the tasks to be solved.
            1. +1
              15 August 2016 17: 28
              Just overpower - too flimsy glider.
              1. +3
                15 August 2016 19: 34
                No, purely economics. We decided that the ability to make short-term "jumps" at 2.3M does not give any special advantages (you cannot hide from the radar, you cannot run away from the rocket), and therefore it is not worth the money.
                As Bill Clinton later said on a slightly different occasion during the election campaign, "It's the economy, stupid." Another thing is that his follower Obama and his legitimate boss Hillary do not understand this.

                Hillary for Prison 2016!
                1. +2
                  15 August 2016 20: 22
                  Quote: Nagan
                  No, purely economics.

                  Bullshit your otmaza complete. This means that the bomber will get to the launch area faster and more likely to escape from fighters.
                  1. +1
                    15 August 2016 22: 08
                    Not at all sir. His supersonic is not cruising, but just to escape after launching the rockets until it crashed, only for a short time on the afterburner, he eats kerosene unmeasured and kills the dvigla resource. We decided that 1.3M is enough for this. And in order to achieve 2.3M, they were forced to put titanium parts on the B-1A and I don’t remember what is so cunning (and therefore expensive) in the engine suction nozzles. On the B-1B, all of this was abandoned, aluminum and a simplified configuration, enough for 1.3M.
                    By the way, as far as I know, the TU-160 also has a subsonic cruising speed, and supersonic for a special case also does not last long.
                    1. +1
                      15 August 2016 22: 21
                      Quote: Nagan
                      and I don’t remember what is so cunning (and accordingly expensive) in the engine suction nozzles.

                      They, for the sake of stealth, installed S-shaped ducts and seemingly (but I do not say here) removed the wedges.

                      In our stealth, the engines were reached in a different way: the shape of the compressor front vanes was designed so that the locator beam could be reflected onto the duct walls which are made of absorbent material.
                      Adjustment wedges in the ducts saved.
                      (I don’t remember the source of this information, I read it for a long time)
                      1. +3
                        16 August 2016 00: 00
                        In fact, just all the structural titanium in the USA was imported Soviet (now Russian), and they made a mistake both with the engine and with the strength of the aircraft.
                2. +4
                  15 August 2016 23: 55
                  There is no economy in military affairs, and fairy tales for fools - if he flied normally on 2,2 miles, then he would fly further. Speed ​​is always important for avoiding interceptors.
      2. +1
        15 August 2016 10: 14
        Quote: murriou
        The author distinctly and in Russian said that he had in mind the Tu-160.

        Clearly and in Russian:
        Large aircraft capable of flying at supersonic speeds are now left only in Russia ...

        I answer clearly and in Russian. In addition to the Tu-160, there is also an American supersonic strategic bomber with a variable sweep wing B-1B.
        1. +6
          15 August 2016 14: 33
          I do not agree with the mattress pad closer to the TU-22, but not as to the "White Swan TU-160!"
        2. +1
          15 August 2016 20: 20
          Quote: Bayonet
          I answer clearly and in Russian

          And what is his cruising speed? I mean, is it supersonic like the first Tu-22 afterburner?
    3. +13
      15 August 2016 08: 06
      Now looking through the prism of decades at what was happening with our aircraft industry and space, we can say that all the actions of the Soviet leadership of that time are given away with some sort of a touch of strangeness.
      Of course, the first ATP1 had many shortcomings, uneconomical, non-environmental


      t / noise and not too high reliability, BUT. As always, there is a big BUT. It was the FIRST supersonic plane with all its flaws. Therefore, this aircraft needed further development and such work was carried out. KB Tupolev and personally Andrei Nikolaevich Tupolev began the development of the project ATP2, later TU-244.
      One of the first projects of the design bureau of the Tu-244 aircraft was the 1973 project with four engines with a take-off thrust of 37500 kgf each with a specific fuel consumption of 1,23 kg / kgf h-hour at a supersonic cruising mode. According to the project, the take-off weight of the aircraft reached 360 tons, a payload of 30 tons (in various configurations of passenger cabins, it could accommodate from 264 to 321 passengers). The wing area reached 1100 m2. At a cruising speed of 2340 km / h, a plane with a normal commercial load should have a flight range of 8000 km. According to its scheme, this project was a further development of the Tu-144.

      We cannot begin to engage in a promising direction on our own, but only when we get a kick from the west, when America begins to do something then we just need to keep up and begin to tear the claws. But such a path of the race only leads to the fact that there are not completely developed projects like the first Tu144.
      The benefits of supersonic flights are obvious, REDUCING TIME on the road. And the calculations of the Tupolev Design Bureau according to ATP2 show that a new aircraft is possible. We’ll start the first, we’ll kill America. We need financing. Well, what are we going to do a new plane?
      http://testpilot.ru/russia/tupolev/244/tu244.htm
      http://avia.pro/blog/tu-244-vozvrashchenie-sverhzvukovyh-avialaynerov-v-nebo


      1. +5
        15 August 2016 18: 03
        Now looking through the prism of decades at what was happening with our aircraft industry and space, we can say that all the actions of the Soviet leadership of that time are given away with some sort of a touch of strangeness.

        There was no systematic and strategic planning. All this slowly died after the death of Stalin. And the country was arming itself sweepingly and thoughtlessly, at the expense of the interests of the people, which affected our, to put it mildly, apathy at the time of the destruction of the USSR.
      2. +2
        15 August 2016 19: 35
        The theme is promising in my opinion. And most importantly, there are no competitors yet. Over the decades, technology has moved forward, and for sure all the problems that were difficult to solve then were now completely solved. request If you release a new supersonic civilian aircraft - passenger or cargo, it will be able to grab the market while there are no competitors. And this is the progress of the aircraft industry in Russia and its powerful rise. Now it’s hard to conquer the markets occupied by Boeing and Airbus - to create a new market is a good choice. Fast delivery of goods or passengers is a PROSPECT niche. And finally, if the Tu160 flies for years, then why can't civilian supersonic planes become as reliable? In general, it is necessary to do in my opinion. good
      3. +1
        15 August 2016 20: 55
        Pavel1

        Actually, the USSR was in the lead on many issues. Those. already the Americans were worried how to catch up.

        By the way, the cost of a ticket to the USSR in the 80s was 15 p. At 500 km. It turns out one and a half working days, excluding payments of taxes and basic necessities. Average. If the average earnings in the USA at the present time is 200 dollars, and the ticket price is 500 km 300, then it turns out that to buy a ticket a US worker needs to spend a week and a half to collect the necessary amount. In comparison with the workers of the USSR, we’ll take it with a margin of two days. The USSR worker did not pay for the apartment and tax is not taken into account when assessing his salary.
        1. 0
          26 September 2016 21: 55
          Like in the USSR for 60 rubles. it was possible to fly 3 thousand km. and 7. But on local airlines, the ticket really cost up to 10-15 rubles.
          1. 0
            26 September 2016 21: 56
            The "edit" function is gone. Read as meters, not km.
      4. 0
        25 January 2024 17: 56
        began the development of the SPS2 project, later TU-244.

        oh yes, that's Tupolev's. Having completed one thing properly, immediately take on another
  2. +3
    15 August 2016 06: 56
    Concord Museum, Barbados, North America and the Caribbean.
  3. +14
    15 August 2016 07: 19
    Still, the plane is magnificent, but as my dad Earth said, it’s not ready for them.
    He was simply ahead of his time, and for a long time.
    Thank you so much for the article.
  4. +14
    15 August 2016 07: 19
    I do not know how about the "battle on supersonic" who won it and who lost it, because for me it still goes and smoothly turns into "the battle on hypersonic", but the fact that the Tu144, having left the distance of commercial transportation, lost "Alas, it is a fact, but the same Tu144, remaining as an experimental flying laboratory, in this area, also won outright over the Concorde.
    The basis for the Tu-160 was precisely the Tu-144 and work carried out in the history of this aircraft.
    A rather controversial statement. Tupolev tried to push into service a plane based on the Tu144, but failed. And in the creation of Tu160, designers of Myasishchev Design Bureau took a very large part ...
    1. +6
      15 August 2016 10: 21
      Quote: svp67
      And in the creation of Tu160, designers of Myasishchev Design Bureau took a very large part ...

      Tu-160 is a project of M-18 EMZ Myasishchev, transferred to Tupolev Design Bureau. Find 10 differences
      1. +2
        15 August 2016 10: 42
        Tollko wanted to write about it, and what did TU-144 and Myasishchev have to do with it, only because the Tupolevites were handed over and they brought, or that Myasischev took part in the design of the Tu-144 is hard to believe given the rumors and indirect facts of the relationship between Myasishchev and Tupolev. Incomprehensible statement by the author.
        1. +1
          15 August 2016 10: 55
          Yeah, 2 weeks before the launch of the Tu-160 in series at the Myasishchevsky plant, they took it and "brought it up" ... only slightly changing the shape of the stabilizer. lol
          The same disabled people as in Lockheed with "their" F-35B.
  5. aba
    +7
    15 August 2016 07: 27
    A bumpy road to the sky.
    "And yet it turns!" (from)

    And yet she flew! And her heirs fly.

    But ordinary Russians fly on imported aircraft, sorry ...
  6. ICT
    +3
    15 August 2016 07: 32
    When NASA played enough


    Well, sort of like a Boeing
    (C)
    By the fall of 1997, a series of eight flights was performed in a wide range of speeds and altitudes (M> 2, h> 17 km). Then ten more followed (in total it was planned -32). The flying laboratory was piloted by test pilots of ANTK im. Tupolev and LII them. Gromova. In September 1998, 144 NASA research pilots performed 3 assessment flights on Tu-2LL at LII.

    In June 1999, the Tupolev ASTC and the American Boeing company successfully completed a joint research program at the Tu-144LL flying laboratory to create a promising supersonic passenger aircraft.
  7. +17
    15 August 2016 07: 41
    Yes, it seems like Tu144 and Tu160 are completely different cars! It is clear to hell that when creating the second, the invaluable experience of the first was used. And when creating the first, the experience of "Sotka" Sukhoi and Tu22.
    However, we have what we have! There is not a single supersonic airliner in the world civil aviation, and is not expected! Among strategists, only Tu160, Tu22m3, with us, and B1в with Americans are capable of flying in supersonic sound. No one else has such machines! And it will no longer be ... As there is no longer that imperial greatness in Russia and the USA, as well as in Britain and France! The great era is over. Now everyone is ruined by effective management, the economy and the price of oil! And everywhere in the world. Nobody talks about the prestige of countries.
    I have to come to terms ...
    1. +4
      15 August 2016 08: 22
      Now everyone is driven by effective management
      In my opinion, it should be so - first of all, there should be profitability, flight safety. The times when it was necessary to fly higher, went faster and further long ago.
  8. +2
    15 August 2016 07: 49
    From a technical point of view, the machine is of course disruptive. But it’s good that they did not start them in a series. They would have killed the people, do not grieve mom. To reach the level of technological reliability of Concord in the USSR would not work.
    1. 0
      15 August 2016 11: 05
      The people flying to them OBHSS would have planted a lot - they realized it on time.
      Subsonic passenger ones were somehow higher than the Comet level.
    2. +4
      15 August 2016 11: 36
      From a technical point of view, the machine is of course disruptive. But it’s good that they did not start them in a series. They would have killed the people, do not grieve mom. To reach the level of technological reliability of Concord in the USSR would not work.
      Unlike the West, the USSR had a completely different economic and social policy. A ticket for the TU-144 cost only 25 rubles. more expensive than usual, when like on the "Concorde" three times more. In the Soviet Union there was officially no class distinction, and as Western millionaires, the bulk of Soviet people could not pay exorbitant prices for a ticket. In any case, the battle for supersonic on passenger aircraft of the USSR And commercial use is a personal matter for everyone, especially in the Soviet Union, the TU-144 was definitely unprofitable.
    3. +6
      15 August 2016 14: 30
      Quote: Power in Truth
      From a technical point of view, the machine is of course disruptive. But it’s good that they did not start them in a series. They would have killed the people, do not grieve mom. To reach the level of technological reliability of Concord in the USSR would not work.

      But in fact,
      Concord ditched more people than all the Tu-144 crashes. Incidentally, not all Tu-144 crashes were caused by an airplane, some were a human factor.
      Regarding commerce:
      Concordes flew at a loss throughout their commercial lives, but the governments of England and France dated these flights. Ponte, in general.
      1. +1
        15 August 2016 14: 34
        By the way, it would be nice to give all the incidents with Concordes, otherwise some one-sided impression to the detriment of the Tu-144 from the article
      2. +4
        15 August 2016 18: 26
        Not certainly in that way. Governments did not subsidize flights. But British Airways and Air France bought these cars for 1 pound and 1 franc, respectively. Only under such conditions and super-expensive tickets did flights pay off.
  9. +5
    15 August 2016 08: 12
    Things in the world economy are not brilliant now, so the speed of delivery of millionaires does not require a radical increase. And supersonic flights cannot be expensive with current technologies.
    1. 0
      17 November 2016 10: 06
      If I were a millionaire, I wouldn’t fly at supersonic sound due to the low safety and comfort of the aircraft.
  10. +4
    15 August 2016 08: 35
    Everything in life is an experience ... gaining practical skills in creating and operating a machine of this class is priceless ... especially since this experience is not lost but is embodied in other solutions (for example TU-160) ... there will be a request from a business for aviation of such class and it will rise into the sky ... especially since we will create on the basis of previous experience of generations of aircraft manufacturers ...
  11. aba
    +7
    15 August 2016 08: 38
    Only last week was in Monino, standing there heart-like, like a shabby cat. But one thing is encouraging, if 5 years ago there was nobody near him, then this time there are a lot of people on it and near the standards of the museum: 5-6 people. Tear, sand, etc. There, already the Su-100 (T-4) was torn to shine, so there is hope.
  12. +8
    15 August 2016 09: 17
    But the Samara Tu-144 was unlucky, the author of this photo Pavel Fetisov (russianplanes.net)
    And the author's signature under the picture: fools mocked our History
  13. -2
    15 August 2016 09: 48
    And really, who won? Large planes capable of flying at supersonic speeds are now only in Russia ...


    If the author had in mind the Tu-160, then the Americans successfully fly the B-1. and released them almost an order of magnitude more.
  14. 0
    15 August 2016 09: 50
    Large aircraft capable of flying at supersonic speeds are now left only in Russia ...

    It seems that the author for some reason does not take into account the American B-1B bombers in operation. As of 2012, there were 66 of them in service, which is many times more than the Tu-160s in service with us. (According to open sources, there are now 16 Tu-160 aircraft in combat strength in Russia). B-1B has a speed of up to 2.2M and has a take-off weight of about 216 tons (against the take-off weight of 275 tons in the Tu-160). The Tu-160, of course, is larger, but it is unlikely that this gives reason to not attribute the B-1B to large supersonic flying aircraft. And the Tu-160 itself was developed precisely as a counterweight to the B-1. So the position of the author of the article is not entirely clear.
    1. +2
      15 August 2016 11: 11
      The B-1b develops just 1,3M and much less. You also messed up with take-off weights.
      No one else has such an aircraft as the Tu-160.
      1. +2
        15 August 2016 13: 13
        I did not say that someone else has such an aircraft as the Tu-160. This is the first. Secondly, if I messed up with a maximum take-off weight of 216 tons, then along with Wikipedia. Here you can see https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_B-1_Lancer. There is a special table with the parameters, in which the maximum take-off mass is 216365 kg. Now about speed. At a speed of the order of Mach 1 or even slightly less, the B-1B overcomes the air defense zone in flight mode at a low altitude of about 60 meters with an envelope of the terrain. In flight on the afterburner at an altitude of the order of 12-15 km, the V-1B reaches the same speed as its original modification B-1A at Mach 2.22, which was never intended for a mode of air defense breakthrough in flight at low altitude and a relatively low speed of the order of 1 Mach. All this is in the open press. And all this does not give grounds for the exclusion of the B-1B aircraft from the number of large modern aircraft flying faster than sound. By the way, the maximum speed parameters of the Tu-160 also apply to the lash at an altitude of about 12-15 km in the afterburner, i.e. It’s not a relatively long regime, but it is not intended to break through the air defense zone at low altitude with enveloping the terrain.
        1. +4
          15 August 2016 14: 22
          They wrote something like this, and more than once ...
          So Wikipedia is confusing because the larger Tu-160 does not carry air.
          With this, the B-1A did not get it - it was falling apart, like its engines. Therefore, the speed was limited to 1,3M and called B-1b
          Tu-160 is designed exactly the same. By the way, Wikipedia for some reason underestimates its maximum speed (they couldn’t catch its F-16), as well as the speed of the Yak-41 (so that the F-35B does not look completely pale against its background) and the practical ceiling of the Su-25, as it distorts itself this concept (probably because of the MH-17 itself should be understandable).
          1. Cat
            +2
            15 August 2016 15: 20
            Performance characteristics: B1b
            Crew .................................... 6 people
            Speed
            maximum (10 km) .................... 1 km / h
            maximum (3 km) ..................... 965 km / h
            Practical ceiling ...................... 15 240 m
            Ferry range .................... 12 000 km
            Weight
            empty aircraft ....................... 87 090 kg
            maximum take-off .................. 216 370 kg
            Aircraft dimensions
            wingspan .......................... 41,67 / 23,87 m
            length ................................... 44,81 m
            height .................................. 10,62 m
            Engines:
            Turbojet engine General Electric F101-GE-102 ....... 4 on 13 950 kgf
          2. Cat
            +1
            15 August 2016 15: 27
            TACTICAL AND TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS TU-22M3
            Modification of the Tupolev Tu-22M3.
            Developer country: USSR.
            Type: medium bomber.
            Armament: one 23-mm gun GSh-23 in the tail turret; maximum combat load 24000 kg, including those placed on a rotating launcher in the bomb bay of the Kyrgyz Republic X-22 (NATO designation - AS-4 "Kitchen") with a nuclear or conventional warhead, UR class air-to-surface short-range X-15 (AS- 16 "Kickback") or X-15P anti-radar missiles; FAB bombs, moreover, in the bomb bay it is allowed to place one bomb in caliber 9000 kg; other aircraft armament consists of air-to-surface missile defense class X-31А / П (AS-17 "Kripton") and Х-35 (AS-20 "Kayak")
            Engines: two turbofan engines NK-25 with a thrust of 25020 kg each in afterburner mode.
            LTH: maximum speed of 2000 km / h; combat radius with a combat load of 12000 kg - 1850 km.
            Weight: empty 54000 kg; maximum take-off 130000 kg
            Dimensions: wingspan 34,3 m (with minimal sweep); length 39,6 m; height 6,5 m; wing area 170 m2 (with minimal sweep).
            1. -1
              15 August 2016 15: 30
              But where is the Tu-160? Only the real ones ...
              1. 0
                15 August 2016 15: 33
                or is it significantly larger, but with approximately the same mass, should fly in the rarefied atmosphere of Mars?
              2. Cat
                +1
                15 August 2016 15: 50
                Now compare.
                There is nothing publicly available on the combat load of B1a and B1b, only full equipment. Thus, we subtract the fuel (in proportion) to the declared 12 km. Aless within 000 kg, not more.
                Thus, we get a long-range bomber with a medium load, otherwise everything is comparable to Tu22m3.
                At Tu160 I got about 50 kg. Almost a twofold advantage.
                1. +1
                  15 August 2016 15: 54
                  And with a minimum of 1,5 times lower maximum concealment than the Tu-22M3 lol
          3. Cat
            +3
            15 August 2016 15: 41
            The performance characteristics of the Tu-160:
            Dimensions: maximum wing span - 55,7 m., Minimum - 35,6 m., Length - 54,1 m., Height - 13,2 m.
            Wing area - 360,0 square. m
            Aircraft weight, kg
            - empty - 110 000
            - normal takeoff - 267 600
            - maximum take-off - 275 000
            Engine type - 4 TRDDF NK-32, unloading thrust –4x137,2 kN, afterburner - 4x247,5 kN.
            Maximum speed at altitude - 2230 km / h, cruising - 917 km / h.
            Practical range without refueling: 12 300 km.
            Combat radius: 6 000 km.
            Practical ceiling - 15 000 m.
            Crew - 4 person
            1. +1
              15 August 2016 15: 50
              Yeah, only in fact the maximum for the Tu-160 is 2,2-2,3 Mach and for the B-1b it's only 1,25 Mach

              This plane flies 1,5-2 times higher, farther and faster than the American

              why is there such a big difference between the differences in normal and maximum take-off for the Tu-160 and B-1b bully

              B-1 is intermediate between Tu-22 and Tu-160
              1. +1
                15 August 2016 15: 53
                Rotten excuses, the author clearly screwed up saying that no one else has supersonic bombers / missile carriers.
                1,3M is also supersonic no matter how you say it.
                1. 0
                  15 August 2016 16: 21
                  Indeed - 1,25M it would be more correct to attribute it to transonic

                  and he also wrote "large supersonic aircraft"
                  1. 0
                    17 August 2016 09: 59
                    Really - 1,25M
                    All the same, 1,3 M since the speed of sound at an altitude of 10 km (where it develops 1330 km / h) is ~ 282 m / s.
                    it would be more correct to attribute it to transonic
                    No, it’s not right. 1,3M pure supersonic.
                    1. 0
                      18 August 2016 00: 21
                      1,25 according to American sources, without any clean, unclean. This is not such a big supersonic.
  15. +1
    15 August 2016 09: 58
    Be that as it may, Carcass did her job, as did Concord. Priceless experience was gained on many units and a glider. Thanks to the author, I read it with pleasure. +
  16. +3
    15 August 2016 10: 15
    Of course, the car was a breakthrough at that time. But ... Alas, this BUT always appears. Unfortunately, it didn’t work with the car. On the engines, it was not possible to initially achieve the required parameters, hence the range dropped. Only one route was used: Moscow - Alma-Ata.
    In the late 70s and early 80s, the press had a fairly large number of publications about the TU-144 and not always only laudatory. Directly, of course, this did not always concern the aircraft itself, rather the ground component, but such publications formed the necessary, sometimes negative background. Although, in fact, the correct things were written in them. The fact that the flight between Moscow and Alma-Ata took less time than the time required to get to and from the airport.
    They wrote that it was necessary to change the entire navigation system (its ground part), which was focused on subsonic aircraft and much more.

    In the 90s, even the same "Concorde" on transatlantic flights stopped running with full load. The question arose about the creation of small, 10-20 seater supersonic passenger aircraft. For a decade this problem has not left the pages of newspapers, but gradually everything calmed down.
  17. 0
    15 August 2016 10: 25
    But what if the remaining Tu-144s are replaced with modern engines? And fly?
    1. +1
      15 August 2016 18: 42
      It will be necessary to find a couple of kamikaze pilots, with a bandana wrapped around the head with the inscription that 144, and shouts of Banzai.
      1. 0
        17 November 2016 10: 20
        And also find idiots passengers who are ready to fly on these planes for money ...
  18. +6
    15 August 2016 10: 27
    It is not clear the author’s desire to pull the Tu-144 to the Tu-160 by the ears ... request

    In general, the battle for commercial over-sound was lost by both sides.

    And really, who won? Large planes capable of flying at supersonic speeds are now only in Russia ...


    1. 0
      15 August 2016 20: 17
      Soon they will not remain, they are being written off en masse. Yes, and can it be in cruising supersonic?
  19. +4
    15 August 2016 10: 27
    When he lived at a cottage in Sheremetyevo, in the eighties he saw one or two cars in the sky quite often. Apparently, they drove test flights. According to the glider, the Tu-144 was a wonderful machine. But his commercial career did not work out due to not too successful engines. Alas, even in Soviet times we lagged behind in the field of engine building. It is difficult to make good planes when there are no good domestic engines.
    1. +1
      17 November 2016 10: 25
      He will raise a good engine and a stool, and any schoolboy in a circle will make a glider out of plywood.

      Concord in the end also lost the battle, but not TU-144, but common sense and expediency, when reliability and efficiency, rather than PR, were put at the forefront.
  20. +2
    15 August 2016 10: 45
    Quote: triglav
    But what if the remaining Tu-144s are replaced with modern engines? And fly?

    And where? you will have two supersonic passenger. The operation of which at prices will be exorbitant. So what? What are they needed for? Or just "to bulo"?

    Quote: professor
    In general, the battle for commercial over-sound was lost by both sides.

    You're right. In the last years of operation, even the Concorde on transatlantic routes has become not particularly profitable. Otherwise, the question of creating small supersonic passenger aircraft would not have arisen in the 90s.
  21. exo
    +2
    15 August 2016 11: 03
    Photos, good ones. I think there will still be a return to supersonic sound. The aircraft was ahead of time. Yes, and Aeroflot didn’t really want to change its structure to meet the requirements of operating this very complicated airliner. And that means it didn’t try to keep it in its ranks.
  22. 0
    15 August 2016 13: 05
    cool article! GUYS ALL THOSE WHO ON THE OLDEST QUESTION TELL PLEASE — EVENING THE PUTCH ONLY I DON’T REMEMBER IT WAS IN 91 OR 93 YEARS ON THE FIRST CHANNEL ARE SUNSHIPED ABOUT KOREA. ME THEN 6 YEARS WAS. BUT THE FILM WAS CLASS. Unfortunately, I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT MORE, THIS IS NOT A CREW. GUYS WHO ARE OLDER WHO REMEMBER THE FILM THEN SHOWN ON THE FIRST? I VERY WANT TO SEE AGAIN
    1. +1
      15 August 2016 13: 39
      "The Putsch" was in 1991. From 19 to 22 August. On TV, basically, "Swan Lake" was broadcast. Try to type TV programs in a search engine during this time. Perhaps you will find the film you need. All the best.
      1. +1
        15 August 2016 23: 03
        The film was American. October 1993. The plane landed at sea ... And they began to show the table. The TV guide was not installed on devices like Seagull or Sony due to the lack of digital broadcasting. Cho remembered switching to this film because broadcasting had stopped on channel one. Went to bed, and in the morning sagged from the news. On the radio, the Gaidar called to Vasilyevsky Descent, but ours did not call anywhere, and he himself was in Yekaterinburg in the morning and the institute. On Monday, finally turned green when I watched the live report on the shooting of the white house. A year later, Chechnya is on fire ...
        1. +1
          28 November 2016 14: 20
          "Save the Concorde" was called
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B0%
          D1%81%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5_%C2%AB%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BD%
          D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B4%C2%BB!
    2. 0
      15 August 2016 17: 14
      There was also such a film "wingspan", maybe it was played then?
      1. +2
        15 August 2016 23: 13
        Quote: Essex62
        There was also such a film "wingspan", maybe it was played then?
        “Save the Concorde.” But the film was definitely American, about a subsonic plane, and the plot was different.
  23. +3
    15 August 2016 13: 24
    Quote: aba
    Only last week I was in Monino, standing there heart-like, like a shabby cat. But one thing is encouraging, if 5 years ago there was nobody near him, then this time there are a lot of people on it and near the standards of the museum: 5-6 man. Tear, sand, etc.

    Only most likely in vain they scrub and hide. I was in Monino on August 12 and the museum workers said that the planes were being taken to the Patriot park and everything should be taken out by May 9, 2017. And for transportation, large planes will have to be sawed and what of them will then turn out is anyone's guess. So if anyone has not been to this museum - hurry up.
    Last year I was in Kazan and photographed this, but I don’t know what. Can someone tell me.
    1. 0
      15 August 2016 14: 01
      It looks like a Tu-123 cruise missile, but I could be wrong.
      1. 0
        15 August 2016 15: 41
        Quote: bober1982
        It looks like a Tu-123 cruise missile, but I could be wrong.

        And why do cruise missiles have windows in front and on the sides of the fuselage ??? smile
        1. 0
          16 August 2016 07: 38
          Well, then I’ve made a mistake, I’m getting old.
      2. Cat
        0
        16 August 2016 05: 37
        He is essentially a cruise missile, with a return function.
        1. 0
          16 August 2016 13: 55
          Unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) of the first generations.
  24. +1
    15 August 2016 15: 59
    Here is a photo of the Tu-123 soldier
  25. +1
    15 August 2016 16: 02
    "A.N. Tupolev built the TU-144, but his son (who inherited the design bureau) failed to teach him how to fly."
    So they said in those days.
  26. +2
    15 August 2016 16: 04
    I found it! This is the Tu-144 (USSR-77107), Kazan, the 6th KAI building.
    (click photo)
  27. +1
    15 August 2016 16: 08
    Glory to the Soviet aircraft designers!
    1. +1
      16 August 2016 02: 08
      Quote: asavchenko59
      Glory to Soviet aircraft designers

      Hooray comrades !!!
  28. +1
    15 August 2016 16: 12
    Here is his photo. Tu-144
  29. +4
    15 August 2016 17: 00
    Thanks for the Kazan Tu-144. And here is the state of the Tu-144 in Monino 3 days ago.
  30. 0
    15 August 2016 17: 05
    Comparing 144 and 160 is incorrect, since the passenger cruising mode was supersonic, and the bomber was still subsonic.
  31. +3
    15 August 2016 17: 59
    Quote: Bayonet
    And the American supersonic strategic bomber with the variable sweep wing B-1B, the author has already written off smile?


    the American "supersonic" strategic bomber has a speed of Mach 1,25 versus Mach 2,05 for the Tu-160. The combat load of the B-1B is 34 tons versus 45 tons for the Tu-160, the combat radius is 5500 km versus 6000 for the Tu-160.
    In fairness, we can say that in the case of the B-1B, another 22 tons can be suspended, but the flight range in 5,5 thousand kilometers is still decreasing.

    Attention, a question. Why copy an outwardly similar, but less efficient machine? Especially if there are masses of experience and experience (often negative, but very valuable) in the operation of the Tu-144?
    1. 0
      15 August 2016 18: 08
      then that this comrade is a pro-American troll ...

      on this B-1 some kind of "clever head" made the bearing doors of the bomb bay, maybe even the one that drew about the same doors on the Convair-200, a sketch of which (and further work did not go) this comrade loves to post so much laughing
      for those who do not need to explain further in the topic lol

      and you’ll be clever - he will bring you into an emergency so that they do not interfere with sowing the unreasonable, vile, exceptional ...
      1. +1
        16 August 2016 00: 17
        and his friends will put you cons ...
  32. +2
    15 August 2016 21: 32
    Quote: certero
    Comparing 144 and 160 is incorrect, since the passenger cruising mode was supersonic, and the bomber was still subsonic.

    Correctly.
    The NK-32 engine used on the Tu-160 is a further development of the NK-144 line (used on the Tu-144), NK-22 (Tu-22М2) and NK-25 (Tu-22М3).

    That is, the commercial Tu-144, even though it itself suffered from many diseases, was an expensive and capricious device, gave impetus to the development of the excellent military vehicles Tu22M and Tu-160
  33. +3
    15 August 2016 23: 17
    The "battle for supersonic" on heavy long-haul passenger aircraft, perhaps, should not have been started, leaving the victory for the Anglo-French. But a small business jet for sheikhs and Abramovichs may have prospects in a narrow market.
    Most likely, the project was closed ahead of schedule, because it was impossible to provide high security for wealthy passengers, and in the USSR there were no rich passengers.
    It is a pity that this time they did not look at what the United States was doing and did not do as they did. A supersonic bomber would have appeared without the Tu-144.
    PS Still, the B-1 and Tu-160 are completely different machines, because the USSR air defense and the US air defense are different air defense.
    1. +3
      16 August 2016 00: 04
      In fact, the Tu-144 will be more advanced than the Concorde (this was the attempt of French espionage leading to the accident near Paris), there was simply no one to fly it in the USSR.
    2. +2
      17 August 2016 10: 22
      Quote: iouris
      It is a pity that this time they did not look at what the United States was doing and did not do as they did.

      At this castrat chtol it was necessary to look and make another castrat ?! laughing

      Thank God that they didn’t do like mattresses ...

      If the Tu-160 has a speed at an altitude of 2200 km per hour, then the vaunted B1-B has 1330 km per hour, at an altitude of up to 3 km there are already 1160.

      And how they wanted to squeeze a six-meter rocket, when only a four-meter floor climbed generally tin ... laughing
  34. +1
    16 August 2016 00: 39
    Beautiful plane, what to say!
  35. 0
    16 August 2016 02: 09
    The article is interesting and quite detailed. Thank you.
  36. +1
    16 August 2016 17: 12
    Thank you for the article! "One hundred and forty-fourth" - a damn beautiful car !! Close - just breathtaking!
    Tupolev - well done!
  37. +3
    16 August 2016 23: 42
    Aesthetically flawless aircraft, even now in the museum looks like a guest from the future.
  38. +2
    16 August 2016 23: 44
    that 144 - exhibit of the Ulyanovsk Museum of Civil Aviation
  39. +3
    17 August 2016 08: 08
    cool plane, it’s a pity that it no longer flies, I would pay any money to fly it even where ... the considerations of the apparatus’s disadvantage and general high cost are nevertheless understandable.
  40. DPN
    +1
    17 August 2016 09: 14
    In the USSR there were no super rich people, so there was no one to fly on TU 144, so they used to say at that time.
    1. +1
      28 November 2016 14: 28
      In the USSR, many people from the Far East flew to Moscow on business trips, respectively, for the money of organizations, so this plane would find its client. and who is "to the south" on vacation - so you are welcome to IL-62
  41. +3
    17 August 2016 14: 29
    The topic of supersonic pepelats is very interesting and promising in terms of passenger traffic. In particular, in our HUGE country.
    But here comes the cut economy. I watched with tears in my eyes at the distance between the seats in the passenger compartments. In current aircraft (for example, a320) with 6 seats in a row, I’m afraid to move so that my neighbor doesn’t push, and my knees get numb. And this despite the fact that I'm not fat (ass 36) and not very tall (height seventy meters).
    So I'm afraid the plane will be interesting. It's a pity.
  42. 0
    17 August 2016 16: 38
    Does anyone know near Samara there are any similar air museums?
  43. +2
    18 August 2016 10: 07
    For Russia, which spans many time zones, the speed of movement of passengers is a priority. I hope that our designers will create equipment on which it will be possible to fly from Moscow to Vladivostok in an hour.
    Perhaps the theme of development is already in hypersound.
  44. +1
    19 August 2016 17: 14
    The USSR is NOT, with it the prospect of developing and creating civilian high-speed long-haul airliners has gone.
  45. +1
    19 August 2016 20: 54
    I can say the following about our Tu-144. No one expected him on the transatlantic routes and would never let him in. The Moscow-Khabarovsk route with a full load was unrealistic, since a previously unknown atmospheric phenomenon - temperature lenses - was discovered over Siberia at altitudes of 15-18 km. These are areas of air with a diameter of several hundred kilometers with a temperature 10-20 degrees higher than the environment, which led to a loss of engine thrust. Well, “Concorde” flew off its own, being thoroughly subsidized, which was discovered only after the disaster in France in 2000.
    1. +1
      8 July 2017 11: 53
      Thank you, very valuable information is part of another natural phenomenon. There was understanding, but no direct data.
    2. 0
      25 January 2024 17: 51
      On transatlantic routes

      What are you about? look at the range, what kind of transatlantic
  46. 0
    26 September 2016 09: 36
    The most beautiful airplane has gone down in history.
  47. +1
    26 September 2016 18: 31
    Oh! We should have more insight and commercial vein to our Great aircraft designers, and ours would have taken!
  48. 0
    25 January 2024 17: 50
    Was the battle for supersonic lost?


    So.
  49. 0
    25 January 2024 17: 55
    The only cause of the disaster, according to the commission members, could have been the crew’s attempt to divert the plane from an alleged collision with the French Mirage III R reconnaissance aircraft, from which photography and filming of the Tu-144 flight was carried out.

    Yes Yes Yes. But no one saw either the Mirage itself, because there is not a single photo of them together, in front of thousands of people with film and photo cameras, or footage from this Mirage. Mirage, and only

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