Marines will learn to fight in the dungeons

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On the basis of the Ryazan Airborne School (RVDKU) a unique complex is being built for training special forces in the conduct of hostilities in various conditions, including underground, according to News with reference to a source in the Ministry of Defense.

Marines will learn to fight in the dungeons


“Already now, on the basis of RVDKU it is possible to conduct classes in mountain training and mountaineering. In a special pool, they master the skills of conducting underwater combat, a strip of moral and psychological training is being created - this is a maze with many rooms and a single exit. The object is designed to train the skills of quick decision making and orientation in conditions of being in confined spaces during a combat operation ”,
told the source.

He noted that in the modern structure of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, paratroopers are assigned the role of the operational reserve of the President (Supreme Commander).

“That is, these are rapid reaction units that can be transferred to any theater of warfare for immediate use as soon as possible. Based on this concept, all plans of recent military exercises were built, when units of the Airborne Forces from the interior of the country were transferred to previously unknown theaters: the Far East, the Caucasus, the Arctic. At one of the last exercises, the troops were landed without preliminary preparation on the drifting ice floe near the North Pole, and the landing site was not prepared in advance, ”the article says.

According to the interlocutor, “practicing the skills of conducting combat operations under water and in the dungeon are new elements in the training program for both cadets of the Airborne Forces and Military Forces and airborne troops”.

“It is important to develop not only skills, but also moral and psychological qualities when working in complete darkness and confined space. The ability to use modern thermal imaging equipment is also being developed, ”he explained.

The comment of the Director of the Center for Strategic Conjuncture Ivan Konovalov: “For the last time, the Airborne Forces and the GRU special forces acted underground during the Afghan campaign. Today we have to deal with this, for example, in Syria, where not even individual houses, but entire neighborhoods of cities are connected by a network of underground communications. For special forces, the ability to covertly act in underground communications is the basis of modern warfare. The underground training complex should provide training for people capable of working in a very limited amount of destroyed urban development — where any other soldier could retreat. ”
  • TASS / Kirill Kuhmar
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  1. +4
    August 12 2016
    Hit the enemy anywhere!
    Hit the enemy with anything!
    1. +2
      August 12 2016
      Dungeons. Enclosed spaces ... poison with gases there, and pour water, and thermobaric weapons. Any detonation explosion is barotrauma. In fact, it is a mousetrap. Conclusion. It’s better not to be there. As a variant of hopelessness ... What about this? Water, wet mattresses, gas masks. One can hardly get used to this.
      1. +5
        August 12 2016
        Quote: Himalayan
        In fact, this is a mousetrap. Conclusion. It’s better not to be there.

        During the Vietnam War, Americans faced the problem of fighting in underground tunnels dug by partisans. They say that fighters for such operations were selected according to a simple principle - the smallest and the worst. And many of these soldiers, just so as not to get into these tunnels, specially fed themselves, gaining weight.
        1. +4
          August 12 2016
          And many of these soldiers, just so as not to get into these tunnels, specially fed themselves, gaining weight.


          laughing That is, the Viet Cong did not want to fight, but defeated the Americans? You can’t even imagine how great the motivation of the Vietnamese was to fight. To this day, these are some of the best soldiers in the world.

          As for the war in the "dungeons", it is impossible. These are rather skills of fleeting combat in an unusual setting. So that the fighter is not lost in case of falling into one. "Dungeons" have served and still serve as communication facilities. Move quickly and imperceptibly to one or another area of ​​the b / d. To organize defense in such conditions is idiocy, modern means of destruction will simply burn out all the oxygen and there will be no one to defend. I remember how in Afghanistan, they brought a liqueur to one of these holes, well, the commander got sick of it ... then the farmers pulled them out into the white light so that the water would not get infected, clean, not even covered in soot. They hid somewhere from the fire, but the oxygen burned out and meet Mohamed, peace and blessings be upon him. It's the same in Syria today.
          1. +2
            August 12 2016
            Quote: Asadullah
            oh, Vietnamkong didn’t want to fight, but defeated the Americans? You can’t even imagine how great the motivation of the Vietnamese was to fight. To this day, these are some of the best soldiers in the world.
            Actually, about "Fed" I mean American soldiers.
            1. +2
              August 12 2016
              "Dungeons and Marines", edition 3,5 is a new trend (though not everyone will understand the joke) :)
            2. +2
              August 12 2016
              Actually, about "Fed" I mean American soldiers.


              smile Then sorry my friend! There was nothing special for them to do there, you can see for yourself, relax in Vieta, beautiful nature, good prices, I assure you, an excursion to these same underground cities, which is about $ 50. The purpose is different, from caches to entire supply routes. The most interesting thing is the shelter along which the punitive passed and suddenly received a blow to the back. By the way, then the Americans still fought somehow, the memory of the Second World War, all fathers survived the war, and there were enough veterans themselves. But nothing kills the military spirit like an inner sense of justice, and it always whispers to you when it is wrong. Today's generation of Pokémon generally considers lying and wrong to be the norm.
        2. +2
          August 12 2016
          Marines will learn to fight in the dungeons
          They will choke in the lair of the "Forest brothers of all stripes".
      2. +1
        August 12 2016
        But we have no way out, all of Gaza is in tunnels, some of them go to our territory. Therefore, we have created for the underground war and the discovery of tunnels of special forces of engineering troops. And the underground war is an indispensable part of the preparation of the infantry.
      3. 0
        August 12 2016
        Well, that you were not there in Adzhimushkaysky quarries!
    2. 0
      August 12 2016
      In some divisions, they teach: "use what is at hand and do not look for something else for yourself."
      By the way, every person going out into the street carries at least 2 "weapons" in his pockets, although he himself does not even know about it. And especially stupid ones, they take a knife or buy a pistol.
      1. -1
        August 12 2016
        Quote: Berkut752
        By the way, every person going out into the street carries at least 2 "weapons" in his pockets, although he himself does not even know about it. And especially stupid ones, they take a knife or buy a pistol.

        Here I am stupid then ... Thank you, sharp Golden Eagle
    3. win
      +3
      August 12 2016
      Hit the enemy with anything!

      and poison there

      For a long time, I in another branch suggested using gas for pumping dungeons mercaptan.
      The smell is like strongly sour dumplings from pig meat. With even a gas mask it is difficult to withstand this terrible smell. Moreover - harmless. Everyone will get out like cockroaches. No harm and damage. It will disappear in a month ...
      But they banned me.
      Not humanely! .. These are not our methods ...
  2. +7
    August 12 2016
    For special forces, the ability to covertly act in underground communications is the basis of modern warfare.


    It would be nice to teach young guys how to smoke all evil spirits from Bandera caches ... come in handy in the future ... I'm sure.
    1. +2
      August 12 2016
      It would be nice to teach young guys how to smoke all evil spirits from Bandera caches ... come in handy in the future ... I'm sure.

      To teach, but nothing more. I believe that Ukrainians should go this way themselves, including smoking evil spirits from caches. Nothing to us their youth(our future) to send to this thankless task - they themselves have gotten involved, yourself and raked.
    2. 0
      August 12 2016
      Our experience is great in this matter.
    3. 0
      August 12 2016
      The other day, the news passed, they created a new smoke exhaust.
  3. +3
    August 12 2016
    fight underground? ... in Ukraine right now they will write that we are going to annex the dungeon)))
    1. +1
      August 12 2016
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      fight underground? ... in Ukraine right now they will write that we are going to annex the dungeon)))

      This is most likely a consequence of the Syrian experience, where the bearded ones rummaged through passages in a rampart.
      1. +2
        August 12 2016
        Not only. In Afghanistan, the kyarizah spirits chastal, again Toroboro. The right thing, you can’t say anything, although it’s dangerous.
        1. 0
          August 12 2016
          again Tororoboro


          Toro-boro, a little different, there are firing points in the mountains. This is a mountain war. Aryks yes, the most disgusting, they can get out wherever they wish.
      2. +3
        August 12 2016
        Bearded is not only in Syria mortro builders laughing
  4. +2
    August 12 2016
    The experience of conducting military operations in underground utilities is undoubtedly useful ... especially for troops in cities with an extensive network of various kinds of structures underground ... A good topic for comprehensive training
    1. +1
      August 12 2016
      For these purposes, detachments already exist, the year of creation is not specified, but the "run-in" took place in two cities of the United States. The official infa was about 10 years ago.
  5. +6
    August 12 2016
    Tora Bora or the sewers of New York, Comrades.?. 8)
    1. 0
      August 12 2016
      For these purposes, detachments already exist, the year of creation is not specified, but the "run-in" took place in two cities of the United States. The official infa was about 10 years ago.
      And as for the Torara, the only ones who captured and partially destroyed it was SA.
      The Americans, too, boasted, but approached one of the entrances, put them on their pants without taking off and went down the mountain, flowing around.
  6. +4
    August 12 2016
    Moles in touch, they did not know that the tunnel was digging with a mat! wassat and digs very fast when the mat is a lot! wassat
  7. +4
    August 12 2016
    In our IDF, since the early 2000s, we had to master the fight against this scourge. At first he worked as "Yaalom", and today the majority of engineering troops.
    1. +5
      August 12 2016
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Since the beginning of the 2000s, we at the AOI had to master the fight against this scourge.

      Aron, you fled to Latvia from Israel belay You do not know what you are doing laughing
      1. +2
        August 12 2016
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Since the beginning of the 2000s, we at the AOI had to master the fight against this scourge.

        Aron, you fled to Latvia from Israel belay You do not know what you are doing laughing

        It's been a week already. And tomorrow for another week to Lithuania, and then home in the heat. Vacation is not eternal. crying
  8. +7
    August 12 2016
    By the way, in recent operations, our actively involved robots underground.
    1. 0
      August 12 2016
      By the way, in recent operations, our actively involved robots underground.


      At the exercises? smile Or do Arabs concrete their tunnels? There seems to be sharp changes in height and wells ....
      1. 0
        August 12 2016
        Quote: Asadullah


        At the exercises? smile Or do Arabs concrete their tunnels? There seems to be sharp changes in height and wells ....

        In Gaza concreted.
        1. +1
          August 12 2016
          In Gaza concreted.


          Handsome, and there are marks in the tunnels, which side is Mecca? smile
      2. 0
        August 12 2016
        So all the "charitable concrete" of the Allahbahbahn go for this business laughing
  9. +2
    August 12 2016
    In hand-to-hand fighting there is a section "objects and forms". At least that's how, with a bias in Chinese, they called him to me when they showed something. This section teaches everyone to fight. Absolutely everything that fell into the hands. What can be torn off the wall or fence, taken from the ground, and even a pillow from the bed. Everything is a weapon.
    This is the way a true warrior should be taught - you can and should fight everywhere. On the ground, in the air, in the water, under the ground, under the water ... It is necessary to teach general principles, and most importantly, the main thing, it is necessary to teach to carry out a combat mission everywhere. Wherever you have to be. So the underground complex is great.
    But I hope for something else. Although this is not announced with pride, we would like people to be taught universal principles that allow them to adapt to any battlefield.
    There are such principles and approaches. It’s just ... why they don’t want to learn the troops, I’ll write a separate article like this. If the administration skips it.
    1. +1
      August 12 2016
      "work with forms", yes, I once wrote about it in the comments ...
    2. +1
      August 12 2016
      In some divisions, they teach: "use what is at hand and do not look for something else for yourself."
      By the way, every person going out into the street carries at least 2 "weapons" in his pockets, although he himself does not even know about it. And especially stupid ones, they take a knife or buy a pistol.
      From a fully equipped first-aid kit, you can prepare 20 types of explosives, if you go to your kitchen, you can find semi-finished explosives and chemical warfare agents.
      1. 0
        August 12 2016
        From a fully equipped first-aid kit, you can prepare 20 types of explosives, if you go to your kitchen, you can find semi-finished explosives and chemical warfare agents
        Well this is an exaggeration at least. Yes, and those chemicals are needed much more than that first-aid kit.
        1. +1
          August 12 2016
          except potassium permanganate. iodine and ammonia ... I do not think. although petroleum jelly is sometimes used as a thickener. from drugs, it seems to me, nothing else will do. paints are another matter. (and even better fertilizers) can be isolated from the solvent toluene. acetone also contains toluene. but this is a lot of solvent is needed and not all contain toluene ... so at home you won’t especially frolic. You can hardly make one two explosives, and then if you are lucky with the right chemicals. as a child, I was engaged in all kinds of garbage ... I’ll blow it up here. once it was shell-shocking, once the toe almost hung off literally on a thread, they almost killed at home ... but they still sewed the finger. They brought us to the Republican Hospital in Saburtalo and there the Georgian doctor sewed correctly. thank you so much. once in the village a pump from a Lada blew up. filled it with gunpowder. I had a full AKM store. 30 rounds of ammunition ... of these ... I didn’t even fill it up to the middle, I pushed a newspaper wad up from above and sprinkled the earth ... but it exploded so it cut off wires, the whole village was left without light. fleeing the gardens ... still came to me. almost lynched. I’m lucky that they knew my father, and did not start a case at the prosecutor’s office. in general, homemade thing is dangerous. you’ll count a bit and you will fly into the air yourself. from my class to Zhorik Avoyan three fingers were torn off and they did not even find where they had flown away. although they could also be distributed into molecules, which seems more likely to me. so I strongly do not recommend engaging in any garbage.
          1. +1
            August 12 2016
            paint is another matter. (and even better fertilizer)
            But this is yes! Only a lot of this stuff is needed. I somehow cooked tear gas (benzyl chloride) in the kitchen. laughing
            1. 0
              August 12 2016
              great colleague laughing ))
              1. +1
                August 12 2016
                great colleague
                And hello to you hot! drinks I left such affairs in England - very seriously here with chemicals and the trapping of young chemists was put on a professional basis - it seems that there are even patrols with gas analyzers. (Because of the bearded bombing enthusiasts for the most part) -so I'm polishing the theory more and more now sad .
                1. +1
                  August 13 2016
                  Well, right. I also prefer not to shine. although in the case of beards, I have completely different plans. I remember somehow back in 2004, I broke a hut of illegal gypsies from Albania, and took away 4 AKs with shops and zinc. then he hid here and there for a long time ... as a result, he took him to Athos, and in vain did not tell his confessor that he had brought iron. I left, and then she found and thought that they want to kill him and drowned everything in the sea laughing when I recognized myself a little for ... I didn’t bite. if here we sniff out where the beards are hiding or packing something, I will raise their chicken coop to hell with dogs. although my hands are trained a lot. I can make a toy myself. I do not want to shoot a lathe. We have a lot of informers. I keep to the extreme. I did not care about the government and the police, they were never on our side, as far as I remember. for me there is one law, a foreigner or Greek who does not respect my country and who does harm should either be deported in a good way, or I will take the law into my own hands. I’ll just tear it to pieces and do it conscientiously and efficiently so that no surgeon can assemble this puzzle. but for now it’s not burning and it doesn’t hurt. Study, study and study again wink
    3. 0
      August 12 2016
      Quote: Mikhail3
      On the ground, in the air, in the water, under the ground, under the water ... It is necessary to teach general principles and, most importantly, the main thing, it is necessary to teach to carry out a combat mission everywhere. Wherever you have to be. So the underground complex is great.

      This is certainly great, but in a closed system, any simple trap of explosive or poisonous action causes such damage that it is better to use some simple robots with a team to destroy all living things and to mine corridors by themselves.
  10. +3
    August 12 2016
    in Afghanistan, the 40th Army scouts used the original method to clean underground wells (Kiryaz); they took whole packs of holiday fireworks and firecrackers bought in the nearest dukan, and when the need forced them to explore hard-to-reach places or places where an ambush (forks turns and descents) they launched these fireworks in the direction of the alleged ambush. The effect was unforgettable (rockets and Bengal lights rushing in an enclosed space). Often, scouts and special forces found whole groups of soul-trembling trembling horror that clutched in a lump and covered their heads with their hands
    1. +2
      August 12 2016
      And if you add red pepper, there will be a lot of snot and tears.
    2. +2
      August 12 2016
      Scouts of the 40th Army used the original method. They took with them whole packages of holiday salutes and firecrackers, bought in the nearest Dukan, and when the need forced


      laughing laughing Oh, to tears, my friend, to tears! Expand the topic wider, we will live longer .....
    3. +1
      August 12 2016
      And just dumped in kyariz, a standard box of TNT. And after its undermining, they did not immediately go down to check. There was nothing to breathe, oxygen burned out. And with oxygen tanks, dushmans didn’t run, you know.
  11. 0
    August 12 2016
    soak them in dungeons, toilets and other places "convenient" for hiding them! So them! Atu!
  12. +1
    August 12 2016
    It’s interesting, but they’ve deployed a special faculty and increased the number of places? And then the drum circle, circle on the photo. And who will master this?
  13. 0
    August 12 2016
    And who will master it?


    Diggers climb the underground communications. Let them be attracted as instructors.
  14. +2
    August 12 2016
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    It would be nice to teach young guys how to smoke all evil spirits from Bandera caches ... come in handy in the future ... I'm sure.

    Well, we have a lot of experience here. The post-war period and up to the beginning of the 50s gave a rich experience of fighting both the UNA-UNSO and the Baltic "Forest Brothers". You just need to pick up the old manuals, which really were written in blood, study and practice.
  15. 0
    August 12 2016
    belay Damn !!! Well this is a closed space underground what ... This is from the category of "almost impossible" belay
    For special forces, the ability to covertly act in underground communications is the basis of modern warfare.

    Oh, and the guys will get what in preparation and even more what Lord, do not bring the military belay action ... Seriously took up the Airborne Forces and the GRU special forces! belay
  16. -1
    August 12 2016
    underground and in caves oh drones how come in handy. climb to the fix there? You can start the quadrocopter and let them collect the info there. and then let the dogs go ahead so that they would find the explosives ... otherwise, climb and don’t know the curls .. tricks ... is it mine to the tunnel? I won’t climb into any holes, holes, labyrinths ... I’d better mine the exit there and calmly go look for other outputs, and mine there. Are there geological instruments that can detect voids and mazes? here they can determine the direction .. and climb there, and there may be minefields and groundwater, and accumulation of methane ... you shuffle with the wrong foot. a stone against a stone will knock a spark and aha ...

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