Israel introduced the new armored vehicle "Eitan"

The Israeli Defense Ministry announced information about a promising armored personnel carrier, currently being developed in the interests of the armed forces. Some basic information about the new project has been published, and in addition, photos of the car and a video of its running trials have become public knowledge. Also announced plans for the timing of the deployment of mass production and delivery of equipment to the troops.


Information about the new project of the Eitan armored personnel carrier (“Resistant”) was published by the Israeli Ministry of Defense last Monday, August 1. Along with a press release revealing some of the details of the promising project, several photos of the existing prototype were published, as well as a video recording made during its tests. Published information allows you to make a general impression of the new Israeli armored vehicle, as well as see it on the go, overcoming various test tracks.

The purpose of the project "Eitan" was to create a relatively easy and inexpensive means of transporting personnel and various goods, which could replace the existing equipment. Currently, the Israel Defense Forces is implementing a program to replace obsolete M113 armored personnel carriers with new equipment. BTR with inadequate characteristics are planned to be gradually decommissioned, replacing them with modern equipment that meets existing requirements. As a replacement for the M113, the heavy tracked armored vehicle “Cameron” and the wheeled armored vehicle “Eitan” are currently being considered.



The development of a new project is carried out by specialists of the Office tank industry of the Ministry of Defense of Israel, namely the development department of the Merkava tank. This design office has solid experience in creating modern armored vehicles, which is required to be used in the development of a promising armored personnel carrier. In addition, some other organizations may be involved in the project. For example, developers of combat modules and other equipment, which will be used in the Eitan project in the future, can take part in the work.

Published data clearly indicate that the authors of the “Eitan” project actively used foreign developments in the field of wheeled armored vehicles. The prototype of a promising armored personnel carrier has an appearance that is characteristic of similar machines of recent times, and does not differ from them by some other features. Such features of the project are a logical and reasonable step aimed at improving the basic characteristics of technology. To date, the industry of the leading countries has formed the most successful at the moment appearance of a wheeled armored personnel carrier, which does not require significant changes.

BTR "Eitan" is a heavy class armored personnel carrier with a wheel formula 8х8. The project initially laid modular architecture, with which in the future is proposed to solve various problems. Modularity should be expressed in the possibility of installing various combat modules with different weapons, equipping equipment with other necessary systems, etc. Some plans have already been identified for such an approach to design. Thus, it was determined that the bulk of prospective armored personnel carriers will be armed with combat modules with small-caliber guns. The prototype, in turn, so far carries only a heavy machine gun.

Armored "Eitan" received a standard for modern wheeled armored personnel carrier body with a time-tested layout. A frontal part consisting of several inclined sheets was used, behind which a roof was placed with the central part lifted up and the inclined side sheets. The sides of the body are made in the form of box-shaped units with a beveled front part and additional wedge-shaped boxes between the wheels. The aft of the hull has two developed protrusions, between which is placed the door for the landing of troops.

The layout of the armored vehicle conforms to existing standards. In front of the body are placed the engine and part of the transmission units. Behind the engine compartment, at the left side of the hull, is the control post with the driver's workplace. Behind the driver are the seats of other crew members. To gain access to their seats, the commander and driver must use their own hatches in the roof. The entire central and aft parts of the hull are given under a relatively large troop compartment. In the existing volume managed to place 12 seats for fighters. For their landing and landing in the stern there is a door.



In connection with the specifics of the armed conflicts in which the Israeli army has to take part, the Eitan armored personnel carrier has a fairly powerful booking. Declared the possibility of protection from various ballistic threats and from explosive devices. At the same time, however, the exact protection parameters have not yet been announced. Apparently, protection is provided, at least, against large-caliber small weapons and explosive devices weighing up to several kilograms.

In addition to its own armor promising BTR will be able to use other means of protection. Thus, according to the statements of the Israeli military, in the future a new version of the Trophy active protection complex should be created. This protection system is planned to be installed on new armored vehicles, including on Eitan vehicles. Whether the armored personnel carrier will be able to receive mounted modules for additional reservations is not yet specified.

One of the main requirements for the new design of BTR, apparently, concerned the level of protection, which could be increased due to other characteristics. As a result, the Eitan BTR was quite large and heavy. Thus, the combat weight of the armored vehicle, depending on the modification and configuration, should be in the range from 30 to 35 t. Such parameters impose the corresponding requirements on the characteristics of the power plant and the chassis.

In the front engine compartment of the body of the armored personnel carrier, a diesel engine with an 750 horsepower is installed. The available transmission provides the distribution of engine torque on all wheels of the armored vehicle. The chassis of the promising BTR is based on an independent suspension with elastic elements in the form of vertical springs, working in compression. As in the case of some other projects of Israeli armored vehicles, the springs are located outside the body and have no protection. A relatively powerful engine should provide a specific power of at least 21-22 HP. per ton, thanks to which the maximum speed of the armored personnel carrier must reach 90 km / h.

The project "Eitan" provides for the use of combat modules of various types. Depending on the wishes of the customer, serial armored personnel carriers can be equipped with different types of systems with different weapons. To date, in practice confirmed the possibility of using modules with large-caliber machine guns. In the future, it is planned to equip the BTR with more powerful weapons in the form of an automatic cannon.



The prototype armored personnel carrier shown is equipped with a combat module of one of the existing types. On a small platform installed behind the driver's hatch, mounted a combat module with a large-caliber machine gun M2HB. On the rotary platform of the module there are also optical-electronic systems necessary for searching for targets, a box for ammunition kit and automated guidance systems. All units of the combat module are located outside the vehicle’s armored hull. The control is carried out using a remote control installed in a protected volume. All major operations during the use of weapons carried out by the crew without going beyond the armor. Also, an experienced armored personnel carrier carries several smoke grenade launchers placed on the roof, and one of the upper hatches is equipped with a turret machine-gun installation.

In the future, it is planned to equip the "Eitan" with more powerful weapons. As part of the prospective BTR project, the subcontractor represented by Rafael received an order to develop a prospective combat module with artillery weapons. It is assumed that the result of this project will be the appearance of a remote-controlled turret with an automatic gun caliber 30 or 40 mm. The combat module will be fully placed outside the Eitan armored corps, and will be managed using a special wired communication console.

The main task of the armored personnel carrier is the transportation of personnel with weapons. Own crew of an armored personnel carrier should consist of two or three people. The troop compartment is designed for the placement of 12 fighters with weapons. For the landing and landing, the armored personnel carrier received a stern door or a ramp - published materials do not allow to accurately determine the type of this means of landing. In accordance with modern security requirements for fighters, the door for the landing is located in the rear of the hull. In addition, on the sides of its cover large armored units. Due to this, it is planned to protect landing troops from enemy fire.

The main part of the design work on the topic "Eitan" ended last year. A prototype of a promising armored vehicle was built in the fall. After that, the car came to the test, the purpose of which was to check its characteristics when driving on different routes, including cross-country with different types of landscape. To date, after performing some tests, the Israeli Ministry of Defense considered it necessary to publish some data about the new project.

According to existing plans, over the next few years, project developers will continue to test prototypes, and possibly several new prototypes. Checks and fine-tuning of technology will continue until the end of this decade. The Eitan armored personnel carrier will have to enter service with the Israeli army no earlier than 2020. In the same period, it is planned to launch mass production of new equipment.



Wheeled armored personnel carriers are supposed to be used in the current program of rearmament of the army, implying the abandonment of obsolete vehicles. BAT "Eitan" will be built and operated in parallel with heavy tracked vehicles "Timer". According to some reports, wheeled armored personnel carriers may be of greater interest to the army in comparison with the existing vehicle on tracked chassis. Thus, the cost of the serial "Eitan" will be about half as much as in the case of "Namer". However, the planned spending on such equipment has not yet been announced. Also, the volumes of future purchases and the share of equipment in deliveries are not specified.

The project of the heavy wheeled armored personnel carrier “Eitan”, developed by Israeli specialists, is of great interest both to specialists and to the general public. First of all, it is interesting as a regular development of its class. The Israeli project is based on some ideas that have been tested and tested during the development and operation of foreign technology. Thus, the success of Israeli designers in adapting existing ideas to the requirements of the army is causing some curiosity.

The second reason for interest is that the Eitan armored personnel carrier is not completely characteristic of the Israeli army. The main types of military equipment of the Israel Defense Forces have a tracked chassis, which is directly related to the main features of the main theaters of military operations in which they are operated. In this case, the “Eitan” project turns out to be Israel’s first attempt to create a wheeled armored vehicle designed for combat work on the front line and having a technical appearance appropriate to that purpose.

To date, the first Israeli project of a wheeled armored personnel carrier has reached the stage of testing a prototype. Based on the results of the inspections, the Israeli Ministry of Defense will have to draw the necessary conclusions and make a decision on whether the equipment will be put into service or sending the draft for revision. In case of successful completion of all the work, according to current plans, the first serial Eitan cars will have to go to the army after the 2020 year. The emergence of such equipment can positively affect the potential of the infantry, but it is still far from serial supply. Over the next few years, the main task of the developers of the new project will be to bring the promising BTR into full compliance with the requirements of the customer.


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  1. Ami du peuple 11 August 2016 06: 10 New
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    Hey, fellow Jews! Why did you copy our "Boomerang" so brazenly?
    We, so dearly beloved Merkava, do not vulgarize us by imitation, so as not to upset the good Israelis. laughing
    1. Mifcada 11 August 2016 06: 40 New
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      Eitan has a completely different armor than Boomerang. And on Eitan will be KAZ "Windbreaker"
      1. Mikado 11 August 2016 16: 16 New
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        Quote: Mifkada
        Eitan has a completely different armor than Boomerang. And on Eitan will be KAZ "Windbreaker"

        as far as I understand, half of modern armored personnel carriers are trying to make like Piranna? At least outwardly. Apparently, the layout is good.
    2. gla172 11 August 2016 07: 03 New
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      Well, yes, that is .... but more like a Finnish "patria" ....
      Jews went on the "path" of China .....
      1. padded jacket 11 August 2016 12: 38 New
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        Quote: gla172

        Jews went on the "path" of China .....

        There is nothing strange about this. Israeli Jews copywriters are worse than China, for example, French Mirage airplanes that were copied by the Jews called Neshers / Kfirs and declared that they themselves constructed it or the French RCA La Combotan who were also copied by the Jews and later called Reshef by them and many other cases.
        So this armored personnel carrier is not an exception Israeli Jews acquired somewhere a model and CREATIVELY laughing copied it. For example, in 2000, they tested the American Stryker, including with KAZ Trophy.

        1. Pimply 11 August 2016 12: 49 New
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          Quote: quilted jacket
          There is nothing strange about this. Israeli Jews copywriters are worse than China, for example, French Mirage airplanes that were copied by the Jews called Neshers / Kfirs and declared that they themselves constructed it or the French RCA La Combotan who were also copied by the Jews and later called Reshef by them and many other cases.
          So, this BTR is no exception. Israeli Jews purchased a sample somewhere and copied it CREATIVELY. For example, an American Stryker was tested in 2000, including with the KAZ Trophy.

          Vatnichek! I do not believe my eyes! Where have you lost our heart?
          1. stalkerwalker 11 August 2016 13: 00 New
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            Quote: Pimply
            Vatnichek! I do not believe my eyes! Where have you lost our heart?

            Well, that’s it!
            Meeting on the Elbe, double-2 ....
            laughing
            1. Pimply 11 August 2016 13: 03 New
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              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Meeting on the Elbe, double-2 ....

              rather double-1002
          2. Dym71 11 August 2016 21: 32 New
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            Quote: Pimply
            Vatnichek! I do not believe my eyes! Where have you lost our heart?

            Your joy, for an unexpected meeting with a “padded jacket” reminded me of a joke:
            At the airport, the customs officer asks the old Jew:
            - Where did it come from?
            - What profit have you got? Some losses ...
            wink
    3. stone 11 August 2016 07: 11 New
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      They will be [quote = Ami du peuple] Hey fellow Jews! Why did you copy our "Boomerang" so brazenly?

      They will say that they focused on Patria or Boxer laughing

      But seriously, such APCs, similar as twins, riveted a lot in the world. But this has a serious argument - serial KAZ.
      1. Professor 11 August 2016 07: 25 New
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        Quote: stone
        They will say that they focused on Patria or Boxer

        Today, only the lazy did not make an 8x8 armored personnel carrier. Starting from Yu.V. Asia, ending with Turkey.
        VBCI
        Patria AMV,
        Pandur II,
        CM-32 Yunpao,
        ZBL-09,
        Type 96,
        Terrex
        FNSS Pars,
        Lazar armored vehicle,
        Freccia
        Stryker
        .
        1. avt
          avt 11 August 2016 08: 47 New
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          Quote: Professor
          Today, only the lazy did not make an 8x8 armored personnel carrier. Starting from Yu.V. Asia, ending with Turkey.

          So it’s not your topic then? Well, for domestic consumption. Something more and more dissecting on tracks. They decided to stir up a campaign on exporting a gesheft? But then why did it take so late, did you bring the list yourself?
          Quote: stone
          . But this has a serious argument - serial KAZ.

          Anything that can be put on any other? Or will they sell this type of armored personnel carrier to the load? wassat
          Quote: pimen
          in my opinion, m-113 is better than all these cuttlefish

          wassat Well then, but deer are better. " bully
          1. Professor 11 August 2016 09: 08 New
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            Quote: avt
            So it’s not your topic then? Well, for domestic consumption. Something more and more dissecting on tracks. They decided to stir up a campaign on exporting a gesheft? But then why did it take so late, did you bring the list yourself?

            EMIP then in AOI about 10 000 M113. They finally decided to replace after the tragic incident with the Golani in Gaza. We don’t pull the plans financially, so we decided to equip them with “cheap” wheeled ones.

            Quote: avt
            Anything that can be put on any other? Or will they sell this type of armored personnel carrier to the load?

            KAZ today and in jeeps ...
            1. avt
              avt 11 August 2016 09: 28 New
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              Quote: Professor
              We don’t pull the plans financially, so we decided to equip them with “cheap” wheeled ones.

              what These wheels are in the first line instead of ,, Intentions "!? Honestly, I don’t understand anything!" wassat I really won’t believe that it is packed no worse. request I somehow have little idea of ​​how yours will use it, albeit with KAZ, within the framework of the existing tactical techniques developed.
              1. Professor 11 August 2016 09: 47 New
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                Quote: avt
                These wheels are in the first line instead of ,, Intentions "!? Honestly, I don’t understand anything!" I really won’t believe that it is packed no worse.

                Not instead, but together. Wheels instead of M113.

                Quote: avt
                I somehow have little idea of ​​how yours will use it, albeit with KAZ, within the framework of the existing tactical techniques developed.

                One to one with the M113 to replace which he goes.
                1. avt
                  avt 11 August 2016 10: 01 New
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                  Quote: Professor
                  Not instead, but together. Wheels instead of M113.

                  Type MPAP instead of armored personnel carriers? Well, on your soil you can 4x4, or 6x6 - then it’s really cheaper for the money.
                  1. Professor 11 August 2016 10: 12 New
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                    Quote: avt
                    Type MPAP instead of armored personnel carriers?

                    Type cheaper Namer.

                    Quote: avt
                    Well, on your soil you can 4x4, or 6x6 - then it’s really cheaper for the money.

                    I did not expect from you (nothing about "you"?). What kind of soil do we have? wink
                    1. avt
                      avt 11 August 2016 10: 23 New
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                      Quote: Professor
                      What kind of soil do we have?

                      It’s quite a tight time they keep Merkava. You can of course try to discuss the sand, but 6 × 6, and 4 × 4, if you dig deeper into the chassis and weigh small enough to pull. Somehow we have KAMAZ, Well, Typhoon K, from 8x8 to 6x6 transferred.
                      Quote: Professor
                      Type cheaper Namer.

                      request as then
                      Quote: Professor
                      Not instead, but together. Wheels instead of M113.

                      As I understand it, it’s logical - Namer is in the first line with Merkava, and the wheels will be caught when moving the personnel to the front edge, but simply in conditions of increased sabotage danger. Then the replacement of the M-113 is understandable. Interesting, but the mortar is 120 plan on these wheels, or an analog of Vienna? Although there’s something like Vienna in the tower on his forehead no tall - cheburahatsya at such a metacentric height.
                      1. Professor 11 August 2016 10: 30 New
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                        Quote: avt
                        It’s quite a tight time they keep Merkava.

                        What's the truth? Does Merkava have a specific ground pressure? wink
                        I ran recently and took a photo of the trench under the pipe. The depth in the photo is more than a meter and as we see a solid chernozem. Now there is already more than 3 meters deep and the same black soil. Take a photo next week. Now add the amount of rainfall that falls in Israel in the winter and get super-duper mud.
                      2. Bloodsucker 11 August 2016 10: 33 New
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                        Professor, okay, you have to scoff, all the same it’s worth recognizing that Merkava, your tank genius, was intended exclusively for the BV theater, in other places, it is not too adapted to the theater.
                        It is no coincidence that you are not selling it anywhere.
                      3. Professor 11 August 2016 10: 50 New
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                        Quote: The Bloodthirster
                        Professor, okay, you have to scoff, all the same it’s worth recognizing that Merkava, your tank genius, was intended exclusively for the BV theater, in other places, it is not too adapted to the theater.

                        Naturally, the tank was developed for us and in the conditions of permafrost it is not known how it will show itself.

                        Quote: The Bloodthirster
                        It is no coincidence that you are not selling it anywhere.

                        Not by chance. A ban was imposed on exports right up to the 2010s.

                        Quote: avt
                        And let’s pour water on this chernozem as in Ukraine, it’s not so that even a meter of liquid mud, but underneath the goose will catch on solid, but since spring-autumn in the middle lane.

                        So how does the dirt in the Golan differ from the dirt in the middle lane?

                        Quote: avt
                        Your merkava specifically for TVD piled quite successfully and Namer in addition to the first line.

                        Yes, they created for themselves. But we have far from everywhere sand and hard ground.
                      4. Bloodsucker 11 August 2016 11: 01 New
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                        Thank you for the answer and recognition that Merkava, like Namer, was created exclusively for the needs of the IDF for a particular theater.
                        Your tank pro, Tal, knew what he needed and why.
                      5. Professor 11 August 2016 11: 04 New
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                        Quote: The Bloodthirster
                        Thank you for the answer and recognition that Merkava, like Namer, was created exclusively for the needs of the IDF for a particular theater.

                        Read carefully. I haven’t written about "only".

                        Here is the Test in the USA. Do you know why? wink
                      6. Bloodsucker 11 August 2016 12: 27 New
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                        He intended to test it in the USA .. well, test it, their development is so ugly that they cause laughter .. like a widely advertised Bradley in a body kit ..
                        The pursuit of the protection of everything and everything leads to wunderwaffles, in the likeness of Hitler's Mouse.
                      7. voyaka uh 11 August 2016 22: 32 New
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                        "The pursuit of the protection of everything and everything leads to wunderwaffles," /////

                        Are you hinting at this? In my opinion, wow, although no less than Namer.
                  2. MACCABI-TLV 11 August 2016 16: 58 New
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                    Quote: The Bloodthirster
                    Merkava, like Namer, machines designed exclusively for the needs of the IDF

                    y us all exclusively for the needs of the IDF.
                2. APASUS 11 August 2016 21: 06 New
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                  Quote: Professor
                  Not by chance. A ban was imposed on exports right up to the 2010s.

                  In my opinion you are confused.
                  Turkey wanted to buy 1000 tanks in 2009
                  Georgia 100 tanks in 2006
                  Although the deals were frozen for political reasons, there was no ban on the sale before that.
                3. Professor 12 August 2016 14: 27 New
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                  In my opinion you are confused.
                  Turkey wanted to buy 1000 tanks in 2009
                  Georgia 100 tanks in 2006
                  Although the deals were frozen for political reasons, there was no ban on the sale before that.

                  EMNIP Merkava was not offered for export until it was shown in Paris. Too lazy to google.
          2. avt
            avt 11 August 2016 10: 43 New
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            Quote: Professor
            What's the truth? Does Merkava have a specific ground pressure?

            laughing I beg of you! And let’s pour water on this chernozem as in Ukraine, it’s not so that even a meter of liquid mud, but underneath the goose will catch on solid, but since spring-autumn in the middle lane. Nooooo! Your merkava specifically for TVD piled quite successfully and Namer in addition to the first line.
          3. Rumata 11 August 2016 17: 41 New
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            A hundred times procrastinated already. There is enough dirt on the Golan Heights. Of course, not swamps of the central part of the Russian Federation, but also not a primer. Merkava, was created for two TVDs, with different climates and soil. As a result, he feels fine both in the mud and in the sand. Well, of course, any tank can be drowned and no matter how much it weighs.
  • Bloodsucker 11 August 2016 14: 16 New
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    Israel Doesn’t pull financially, yeah, but now the United States is giving out, or rather almost agree, 3,7 billion toad skins, of which 10% Israel spends on its defense industry.
    The United States again buys Israel's loyalty to BV, in exchange for disloyalty to the Russian Federation because of Syria?
    1. Pimply 11 August 2016 15: 07 New
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      The United States again buys Israel's loyalty to BV, in exchange for disloyalty to the Russian Federation because of Syria?

      If you were even slightly interested in this issue and the Middle East, you would not have carried such a furious nonsense
  • fider 11 August 2016 08: 18 New
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    Ami du peuple
    Mr. Russian, you flatter us. We can't copy so fast. You confused us with the Chinese.
  • Hon
    Hon 11 August 2016 08: 56 New
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    [quote = Ami du peuple] Hey fellow Jews! Why did you copy our "Boomerang" so brazenly?
    why did they copy it from Bumiranga? and not from the Finnish Patria AMV, Italian Frechchia, German boxer, French VBCI and other heavy wheeled APCs? which have long been developed and operated by the troops. do not attribute the authorship of a bicycle to yourself
    1. Urfin 11 August 2016 09: 08 New
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      judging by weight, it turns out something between a patriya and armature t-15.
      And by designation, this is most likely the natural development of Israeli heavy armored personnel carriers in the form of greater adaptation for actions in the city and on the roads. For this, the tracks were replaced by wheels.

      With such weight, the export prospects of the machine are very foggy. Like Merkava - this is done for yourself.
      1. Hon
        Hon 11 August 2016 09: 13 New
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        Quote: Urfin
        judging by the weight, it turns out something between a patriya and armature t-15

        boxer 33 tons, VBCI 32 nothing new and unusual, similar cars are in service with other countries
  • MACCABI-TLV 11 August 2016 12: 28 New
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    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Hey, fellow Jews! Why did you copy our "Boomerang" so brazenly?

    In my opinion, only a blind person will not see the clear lines of Merkava / Namer in Eitan.
    Starting from the corner of the roof, ending with a ramp with air conditioning boxes.
    Quote: Mifkada
    And on Eitan will be KAZ "Windbreaker"

    Hatz Durban (aka Iron Fist) may be there with the same success. And proceeding from the principles of defeat of these KAZs, J.Kulak is more acceptable for armored personnel carriers, and Vetrovka for MBT.
  • dvaposto 11 August 2016 23: 38 New
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    why do submarines look like some fighters? for civilian liners, everything is very similar. soldiers do so in the same camouflage uniform. need to create a technology critical department?
  • Pavel1 18 August 2016 13: 31 New
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    it’s like a boomerang, however, this boomer isn’t very good at my expense, so God forbid that I’m not good ...
  • Kibalchish 11 August 2016 08: 15 New
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    The name is interesting - associated with "Shaitan" laughing
    1. Mifcada 11 August 2016 08: 19 New
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      Eitan - stable in translation
      1. Bloodsucker 11 August 2016 08: 35 New
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        Well, a calm explanation sets up normal communication.
        And a certain feeder, apparently got into a whiff of who, what, and most importantly why, should be taught.
    2. fider 11 August 2016 08: 23 New
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      Kibalchish
      Broaden your horizons, use a Google translator - learn Hebrew, and other associations will appear.
  • pimen 11 August 2016 08: 38 New
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    in my opinion, m-113 is better than all these cuttlefish
    1. Aaron Zawi 11 August 2016 09: 03 New
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      Quote: pimen
      in my opinion, m-113 is better than all these cuttlefish

      No, not better. M113 is inferior to Eitan in passive booking, in the ability to quickly move on roads, in mine protection and in the comfortable placement of the crew and the landing. (KAZ can be installed on both vehicles)
      In general, the appearance of a cannon armored personnel carrier in Israel underlines the fact that the changed threats also change the IDF. If 10 years ago in the IDF there were 32 TBR and 12 MBR, then today in the IDF there are 14 TBR and 26 MBR. This is due to both the disappearance of threats from Iraq and Syria, a sharp increase in modern TCP infantry and the recent experience of the database, which for the most part are under construction. Therefore, apparently in AOI there will appear, in addition to the "heavy" brigades Merkava + "Namer", and light brigades on the "Eitan".
      1. pimen 11 August 2016 09: 20 New
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        - passive booking - easily solved
        - ease of crew placement - not a bit
        - speed - not significant
        - mine protection? Well, after all, this is an armored personnel carrier, although you can be wise
        - but in terms of cost, cross-country ability, compactness and simply the beauty of the design solution? ..
        1. Hon
          Hon 11 August 2016 09: 47 New
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          Quote: pimen
          - passive booking - easily solved

          the fact that the suspension is not designed for such loads is also solved, and the engine, as it were, also, even with easier booking, the specific power per ton is less than that of Eitan.
          Quote: pimen
          - mine protection? Well, after all, this is an armored personnel carrier, although you can be wise

          weak armored personnel carriers are a common reason for the death of soldiers, which is why armored personnel carriers become harder and bigger and more secure. to improve mine protection, you will have to additionally book the bottom, again hello to the suspension, and compactness here is harmful and not good. Heavier weapons can’t be put, he won’t drag out, and there will be no space left for the landing.
          Quote: pimen
          but in terms of cost, cross-country ability, compactness and simply the beauty of the design solution? ..

          the car has weak combat characteristics but is simple compact and pretty
          1. Aaron Zawi 11 August 2016 10: 11 New
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            Quote: Hon

            the car has weak combat characteristics but is simple compact and pretty
            she has nothing else. This is a prototype.
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              Hon 11 August 2016 10: 13 New
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              I'm talking about M113
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              she has nothing else. This is a prototype.
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            the fact that the suspension is not designed for such loads is also solved, and the engine, as it were, also, even with easier booking, the specific power per ton is less than that of Eitan.

            and you do not forget that we compare cars of the beginning of the 60th years of the last century and present?
            mounted armor, reinforced suspension and a more powerful engine ...
            as a universal machine m-113 - it may not be very, but as an infantry transporter it is a masterpiece that is unlikely to be surpassed
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              Quote: pimen
              and you do not forget that we compare cars of the beginning of the 60th years of the last century and present?
              mounted armor, reinforced suspension and a more powerful engine ...
              as a universal machine m-113 - it may not be very, but as an infantry transporter it is a masterpiece that is unlikely to be surpassed

              This one has already undergone modernization with the installation of more powerful engines, the suspension too, but there is a mass-overall limit, the mounted armor also has weight, that is, a lot to hang. there is nothing masterpiece in the M113, just an armored box on the tracks, the characteristics are mediocre even for the 60s
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                Quote: Hon
                This one has already undergone modernization with the installation of more powerful engines, the suspension too, but there is a mass-overall limit, the mounted armor also has weight, that is, a lot to hang. there is nothing masterpiece in the M113, just an armored box on the tracks, the characteristics are mediocre even for the 60s


                Well, I don’t know, then compare the reservation of M-113 with at least BMP-3, or in the complex, with the Shell ...
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                  Quote: pimen
                  Well, I don’t know, then compare the reservation of M-113 with at least BMP-3, or in the complex, with the Shell ...

                  you can compare, the M-113 armor protection reaches the BTR-3 base level only if additional hinged armor is installed, while the M-113 loses the ability to swim, this is in addition to the fact that the M-113 does not have such weapons as the BTR-3, if complex "melon" to establish the ability to ride and lose
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                    I don’t even know why you got that 38mm base aluminum armor is worse than 10mm base steel.
                    The BTR-3 has a larger size (volume) and weight, so they should swim the same way.
                    At the expense of weapons is true, but at the expense of landing?
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                      Hon 11 August 2016 13: 58 New
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                      Quote: pimen
                      I don’t even know why you got that 38mm base aluminum armor is worse than 10mm base steel.
                      The BTR-3 has a larger size (volume) and weight, so they should swim the same way.
                      At the expense of weapons is true, but at the expense of landing?

                      So you kind of wrote about BMP-3. BMP-3 provides circular protection against 12.7 caliber bullets from a distance of 200 meters, frontal armor holds a 30-mm shell. Basic armor M-113 holds 12.7 only in the forehead in a circle protection against rifle caliber. the elements of the hinged armor bring the M-113 to the BMP-3 level, but the car loses buoyancy. if you put melon, it’s at least 3,5 tons and the landing party will simply have nowhere to place. if you put an ordinary combat module on the BMP-3, then there will be enough space for +3 paratroopers, you can also hang additional armor without compromising buoyancy
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                        Quote: Hon
                        So you kind of wrote about BMP-3. BMP-3 provides circular protection against 12.7 caliber bullets from a distance of 200 meters, frontal armor holds a 30-mm shell. Basic armor M-113 holds 12.7 only in the forehead in a circle protection against rifle caliber. the elements of the hinged armor bring the M-113 to the BMP-3 level, but the car loses buoyancy. if you put melon, it’s at least 3,5 tons and the landing party will simply have nowhere to place. if you put an ordinary combat module on the BMP-3, then there will be enough space for +3 paratroopers, you can also hang additional armor without compromising buoyancy


                        Quote: Hon
                        you can compare, the M-113 armor protection reaches the BTR-3 base level only if additional hinged armor is installed, while the M-113 loses the ability to swim, this is in addition to the fact that the M-113 does not have such weapons as the BTR-3, if complex "melon" to establish the ability to ride and lose


                        in fact, the base armor of the m-113 was supposed to hold 14.5 in a circle and 20mm in the forehead from a distance of 200m in a reinforced version.
                        In addition, BMP-3 mass and dimensions: weight-18t, length-6700mm, width-3300mm, height (over the tower) -2300mm
                        mass dimensions of m-113 (reinforced): weight-14t, length-5300mm, width-3000mm, height (body) -2500mm
                        Perhaps, the Americans, nevertheless, became exhausted at the expense of buoyancy?
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                        Quote: pimen
                        in fact, the base armor of the m-113 was supposed to hold 14.5 in a circle and 20mm in the forehead from a distance of 200m in a reinforced version.

                        not basic but effortful 14.5 in a circle of 30 mm in the forehead.
                        "An additional bottom protection was introduced on the M113A3, consisting of steel sheets, and mounts for mounted armor in the form of screens [32] made of DPSA multi-hard steel armor spaced from the main body, the standard kit of which is used by the US troops, provides circular protection from armor-piercing bullets of a 14,5-mm machine gun [33]. In this case, the frontal projection of the machine is not affected by the 20-mm APIT (DM43) armor-piercing projectile of the M139 gun from a distance of 200 m. "
                        modification M113A3 no longer floats
                        Americans don’t overdo it, a brick weighs less than a boat, but a brick does not float
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                        well, if you take and multiply the numbers, it turns out approximately the same: 2.5 cubic meters per ton
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        the car has weak combat characteristics but is simple compact and pretty

        For example, it’s completely not clear to me why, today it was necessary to create a Shell ?!
    2. Aaron Zawi 11 August 2016 10: 09 New
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      Quote: pimen
      - passive booking - easily solved
      - ease of crew placement - not a bit
      - speed - not significant
      - mine protection? Well, after all, this is an armored personnel carrier, although you can be wise
      - but in terms of cost, cross-country ability, compactness and simply the beauty of the design solution? ..

      -No unsolvable. Base M113 no longer holds amplification of passive booking.
      -speed has been extremely important lately. Throwing a large unit into a breakthrough to work on enemy logistics or, on the contrary, quickly strengthening their defending units, everywhere speed is needed today.
      -Nothing can be done with M113. Its transmission eliminates mine protection.
      - the cost of the deceased, the crew is much higher than the cost of the car.
      By the way, most likely DUM will be based on MK 2 Samson.
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    in my opinion, m-113 is better than all these cuttlefish

    is this a joke?
  • Skubudu 11 August 2016 10: 15 New
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    I am distraught with one feeling that the middle front wheel niche sags, as if a self-tapping screw had fallen, fixing it ... laughing
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      self-tapping screw ..- you offend the Jews. There just a bolt burst
  • voyaka uh 11 August 2016 10: 16 New
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    I will not believe that the IDF will adopt an armored personnel carrier, which
    Does not hold an RPG-7 grenade on board.
    Without KAZ, they will probably be rejected.
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      I will not believe that the IDF will adopt an armored personnel carrier, which
      Does not hold an RPG-7 grenade on board.

      Why did you decide that you are not holding? Rfael claims that their Sandcat is holding, but here is another weight category.
      1. Siberia 9444 11 August 2016 11: 03 New
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        And what height is not, for comparison with others of the same class of armored personnel carriers hi
        1. Professor 11 August 2016 11: 07 New
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          Quote: Siberia 9444
          And what height is not, for comparison with others of the same class of armored personnel carriers hi

          I have no idea. TTX has not yet been announced.
  • Zaurbek 11 August 2016 12: 24 New
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    Looks like a German armored personnel carrier 8x8. I think an analogue in weight, armor and engine power. Boxer seems. Boomerang will be easier. And KAZ will have to put on all armored vehicles in the near future, because ATGMs of the first generations went widely to the masses ..
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    Here you still need to remember: either maximum protection or the ability to swim ...
  • padded jacket 11 August 2016 12: 46 New
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    Quote: The Bloodthirster
    It is no coincidence that you are not selling it anywhere.

    They don’t sell simply because it’s a misunderstanding called Merkava, just nobody buys and buys laughing
    Soft Merkava
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      Quote: quilted jacket
      Quote: The Bloodthirster
      It is no coincidence that you are not selling it anywhere.

      They don’t sell simply because it’s a misunderstanding called Merkava, just nobody buys and buys laughing
      Soft Merkava

      Yeah. Only Merkava ...
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        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Quote: The Bloodthirster
        It is no coincidence that you are not selling it anywhere.

        They don’t sell simply because it’s a misunderstanding called Merkava, just nobody buys and buys laughing
        Soft Merkava

        Yeah. Only Merkava ...



        Aron our country is so huge and it has such different climatic conditions that it is not at all surprising that our tanks get stuck somewhere.
        Thanks to its huge mass, Merkava drown in soft ground almost out of the blue.
      2. Bloodsucker 11 August 2016 14: 21 New
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        Hmm, so we have on the theater of defense of the opposing us, the soils are different, and pull out the T72.T90 from the dirt, simpler than your Merkava.
        Planting a tank like this one shown by you is not what you mean, it is engaged in self-digging along the way.))))
        But can Merkava? That's it, no.)))
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        3. voyaka uh 11 August 2016 16: 52 New
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          But Merkava dug herself ... laughing

          It is written in Hebrew: "how long?"
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            Spruce winders, but is it disguised as a sub-mud boat?
            Aerobatics stuck, at the same time, and camouflaged laughing
  • Zaurbek 11 August 2016 13: 11 New
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    They’ve already discussed Merkava 10 times ... the specific pressure on the ground is calculated during the design, sofa specialists surprise me ... Are you smarter than the engineers on design bureaus who design tanks? Each makes a tank that is suitable for its climate and communications and army size. If our railway transport to transport Merkava or Abrams from Vladivostok to Krasnodar, then many bridges are simply not designed for such a load. In Israel, different realities, different numbers and there is no task of massively helping armored vehicles to underdeveloped countries. So the tanks are ...
  • padded jacket 11 August 2016 13: 55 New
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    Aron our country is so huge and it has such different climatic conditions that it is not at all surprising that our tanks get stuck somewhere.
    Thanks to its huge mass, Merkava drown in soft ground almost out of the blue.

    Merkava in the mud smile



    For scale wink

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      Quote: quilted jacket

      Merkava in the mud smile

      Everything is fine except that the carrot was not stuck anywhere, but simply walked across the field.
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        Not ... then apparently she hangs on her belly .. stuck to alumina, here the crew breaks her head, how can I get it from the mud laughing
  • wanderer_032 11 August 2016 14: 26 New
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    Israel introduced the new armored vehicle "Eitan"

    Quite a decent fighting vehicle. At a level no worse than their world counterparts.
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    By the way, for some reason, a centralized system for regulating the air in tires is not visible. Or is it not relevant in those conditions?

    Although, based on the heated discussion in the comments about the climatic conditions of Israel, the opposite follows ... winked
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    By the way, does he have an armored hull or on a frame?
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    Everything is fine except that the carrot was not stuck anywhere, but simply walked across the field.




    Did you invent it yourself now? laughing

    Tell me how she took off cheerfully waved the gun’s barrel and carried off on a gravitational pull to Haifa lol
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      Quote: quilted jacket
      Quote: Aron Zawi
      Everything is fine except that the carrot was not stuck anywhere, but simply walked across the field.




      Did you invent it yourself now? laughing

      Tell me how she took off cheerfully waved the gun’s barrel and carried off on a gravitational pull to Haifa lol

      Mdeee. Look at the towers ...
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    Mdeee. Look at the towers ...

    And what should I see there?
  • parkello 11 August 2016 16: 16 New
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    not like replacing the M-113, it’s not very bad. Israel has a dry, hot climate. wheeled vehicles there feel more comfortable than tracked vehicles. trucks should be regularly lubricated; they need constant care, and this is an expense, besides the M-113 has a very weak chassis. our M-113 took off right at the exit from the unit towards the landfill, on a relatively simple bend. often the engines themselves deteriorate. weak armor. from the sides you can even penetrate from a single machine gun 7.62 (the same FN Mag) the weapons are also weak, mainly M-2 browning. inside is generally a barn. the box is so pathetic, in general, M-113 is still shit, and the Israelis are right in doing what they are trying to do their technique. also on a wheeled chassis. operation is incomparably cheaper than caterpillars, and the resource is also significantly different. and in terms of cross-country ability, the wheels are now not much inferior to the tracks.
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      Quote: parkello
      dry,

      As for the dry in many parts of the country, I would argue. Israel is characterized by a sharp change in terrain and climatic conditions.
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        maybe, but compared to Greece it is rather dry than wet.
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    Nice armored personnel carrier. But of course it is desirable to strengthen the armament, otherwise she will have nothing to oppose not only the BMP-2 but also the BMP-1 if she accidentally encounters it.
    1. MACCABI-TLV 11 August 2016 21: 58 New
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      Nice armored personnel carrier

      Here is the BTR (not BMP)
      Quote: Victor Wolz
      and then she will have nothing to oppose not only BMP-2 but also BMP-1 if they accidentally meet.

      contrast Merkava MK2, MK3, MK4. We have infantry without tanks, and tanks without infantry are not hanging around.
    2. voyaka uh 11 August 2016 22: 21 New
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      Weakly armored armored vehicles with us on purpose. So that the commander did not have the slightest temptation to engage in battle on them.
      BTR - not BMP. It is solely for the safe transportation of infantry through shooting areas, not for combat.
      Machine gun to "brush off" on the road.
      1. Victor Wolz 13 August 2016 22: 39 New
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        So you think this is a police car? I think that it was created just for a quick roundabout maneuver, when the main enemy forces are constrained by a battle with tanks and heavy infantry fighting vehicles, and wheeled armored personnel carriers rush around the enemy at 40-60 km and surround him destroying the base and striking in the back. (of course there are helicopters, but the Strelkovites proved that this is not a panacea in the battles for Slavyansk) well, in order to chase the Toyota.
        1. voyaka uh 15 August 2016 10: 16 New
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          "So you think it's a police car" ///

          No, combat, but - "defensive" (I would call it that).
          The armored personnel carrier is going to break through the defense after the tanks and with them.
          Tanks make a corridor, part of the armored personnel carrier dismount infantry in it, part of it pass and infantry dismount in the near rear. Having landed infantry, armored personnel carriers are looking for shelter, but DO NOT support the battle.
          In Lebanon in 2006, such tactics did not work out - it turned out that there was no way without KAZs. Now with KAZs it has become more realistic.

          BMPs do not yet fit into the Israeli tactics inherited from the British.
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            Will the tanks be able to make a corridor in which there will not be a camouflaged rapier or bassoon with a cornet? In my opinion, it just looks great in one formation with tanks.
            1. voyaka uh 15 August 2016 22: 41 New
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              Masked ATGMs are very difficult to detect. It’s still possible at night (people give out
              by heat). Happy little chance. Hope for KAZ tanks and armored personnel carriers.
              The intention is good, but dear - almost like Merkava.
              Therefore, this Eitan appeared.
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                Here put the AU-220M "Baikal" and you will be happy)))
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  • vietnam7 11 August 2016 20: 11 New
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    If our railway transport to transport Merkava or Abrams from Vladivostok to Krasnodar, then many bridges are simply not designed for such a load.

    The weight of the TEM2 locomotive is -126 tons, 2TE116 one section weighs 138 tons, the platform for transporting equipment is 22-26 tons with a carrying capacity of 69-71 tons, all railway bridges can withstand them well, all the same, they are built under them. So the abrams has no problems here, the question remains: who will let them go by rail from Vladivostok to Krasnodar for a ride?
  • Zaurbek 11 August 2016 20: 50 New
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    And you read how they strengthened the canvas and bridges for the atomic train ... And calculate the weight of the train with the T-90 and Merkava tanks ... And compare the number of rivers and bridges in our country and in the Middle East. And there are car bridges. The USSR created tanks for fighting on the European theater of operations and, I think, calculated everything before designing and building tanks.
  • Operator 11 August 2016 21: 40 New
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    The Arctic fox came to all Israeli developments in the field of armored vehicles - the new subsidy procedure from the US budget no longer provides for deductions for the development of the Israeli defense industry, all money (from 3,7 to 4,5 billion dollars) should now be spent on the purchase of military equipment exclusively from American manufacturers bully
    1. voyaka uh 11 August 2016 22: 16 New
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      Just in the field of armored vehicles in Israel and the United States, "open cards" for each other.
      Mutually open technologies.
      And with the spending of military aid, the Americans, in principle, are right. Sometimes they’re like
      they finance developments that compete in international markets with their own military industry.
      Basically, this applies to avionics. But the "transfer of dollars to shekels" will stretch for another three years.
      During this time, those Israeli firms that scooped "out of dollars" will rebuild the financing of their R&D.
      1. Operator 11 August 2016 22: 25 New
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        Unfortunately for Israeli firms - they can and will rebuild their R&D, only the customer (Israel Defense Ministry) will no longer have money at their disposal - American subsidies will be provided exclusively in kind (Abrams, Bradley, Penguins, etc.).
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    Quote: Pimply
    As for the dry in many parts of the country, I would argue

    Guys, no offense, but it sounds funny. It is like in many areas between Tyumen and Ekb. 320 km and also such a variety of climatic and ground areas