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The volume of traffic to ensure the Russian interspecific groups in Syria and the government army demanded the mobilization of civilian dry cargo. The Ministry of Defense kept dead silence about the main thing - the scheme and the expediency of acquiring vessels whose technical condition could not withstand any criticism.

Recall the essence. In connection with the sharply increased traffic of the Syrian Express (this name was given in the foreign press), several additional ships connected to the large landing craft (BDK) of the three Russian fleets. Up to ten civilian dry-cargo ships, including some previously sailing under foreign flags, were mobilized by auxiliary forces of the Russian Navy. The recruits were, in particular, "Alexander Tkachenko", "Dvinitsa-50", "Vologda-50", "Kazan-60" and "Kyzyl-60" ("Express to Damascus").

The notion of “mobilization” fits completely with the first of the aforementioned courts - the “Alexander Tkachenko” served the Krymskaya ferry. What can not be said about the other acquisitions. Several ships previously belonged to the Turkish owners and were purchased on an emergency basis by the Russian Navy even before the incident with the destruction of our Su-24. “Vologda-50” in its former life was called Dadali, “Kyzyl-60” - Smyrna, “Dvinitsa-50” - Alican Deval. And Kazan-60 in the year 2014, being the Ukrainian vessel Georgy Agafonov, was sold for scrap to the Turkish company Denizcilik for 300 thousand dollars as unserviceable.

The opportunity to trace the use of mobilized dry cargo vessels was given by the Turkish media, which do not lose sight of a single vessel passing through the Black Sea straits. The following picture turns out: “Dvinitsa-50” made six trips to Tartus, “Vologda-50” - four, “Kyzyl-60” - one (despite the fact that it is the newest of this “four” - built in 1995 in China) Kazan-60 - one.

Thus, in sum, this replenishment of the auxiliary forces of the Black Sea Fleet carried out all 12 flights to Tartous. For comparison: approximately the same amount was made at the same time by each of the BDK.

Landfill ExpressHowever, one could not expect anything else from the new acquisitions of the Syrian Express, given their technical condition. For clarity, a few words about "Dvinitsa-50", adopted, like others, as part of the 205th detachment of support vessels of the Black Sea Fleet. Built in Istanbul in 1985. At the time of transfer the fleet belonged to a certain Russian company whose name remained unknown. Those involved in the transaction may say that the involvement of an intermediary is the only possible option for acquiring vessels, because, due to sanctions, no one would directly sell the Navy these vitally necessary for him in the current court conditions. So, without a civilian intermediary, it was probably not enough. The question is different - how much do the purchased vessels themselves need? According to a source familiar with the situation, during the reception of “Dvinnitsa-50” it was stated that its full service life (30 years) expired in June 2015. The vessel did not have reports on the latest repairs and maintenance, forms for the main engine and auxiliary mechanisms, spare parts kit. The translation into Russian of instructions for the operation of the main equipment and mechanisms was required. In a deplorable state were the navigation aids. According to the source, direction finding repeaters were available, but were not used for their intended purpose for so long that they became rusty. There was no electronic navigation and information system and lag, from the operational documentation there was only instruction for the echo sounder (in English). However, by some willful decision, the ship was accepted into the Navy “according to the actual state”.

Other acquisitions have proven to have similar, if not more significant, flaws. Moreover, it was no secret to anyone that the Kazan-60 mentioned was not exploited since 2012. In addition, there were no original ship documents on it. After a single trip to Tartus, Kazan-60 returned to Novorossiysk, where it remains to this day. According to the regional structures of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, a fire broke out on board two months ago.

What led to the reception “by actual condition” is clearly seen from the above results of the participation of recruits in the “Syrian Express”. In theory, each of these vessels has a certain two-year warranty from the time of purchase, but all of them are in unsatisfactory condition, without the necessary documents, simply dangerous for seafarers and need urgent restoration. The question is who will take it?

According to reports, the ship repairmen refused the call of the Navy Commander-in-Chief to resuscitate the “veterans of the merchant fleet”. They can be understood - since all the main documentation is missing, it must be bought, and from previous owners. And translate from several languages, including Chinese. Who should do this? Probably not the Navy and the ship repairmen.

Source "MIC" in Sevastopol reported that the command of the Black Sea Fleet twice appealed to the branch of the center of the ship repair "Zvezdochka" (part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation) with proposals to perform work on the vessels of the auxiliary forces of the Black Sea Fleet, but the company was forced to refuse. And now the command of the Black Sea Fleet, which did not participate in the acquisition of ships, sends to the leadership of the Ministry of Defense and the Navy requests to solve the problem of the Quartet.

As for the notorious mediator, then, according to unconfirmed data, a relative of a high-ranking official of one of the departments concerned may be related to him. Probably, the dog is buried here.
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  1. +2
    August 11 2016
    That's where the Mistals come in handy.
    1. +28
      August 11 2016
      Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
      That's where the Mistals come in handy.
      Yes, and here the Mistrals, if there is no berth for them in Tartus. Would landing ships from the raid be unloaded? And what is used, bought for nothing, decommissioned dishes - that’s even nothing. Disposable packaging, but carry out their task, however. At the same time saving the resource really needed fleet BDK.
      Remember how during the Second World War the Americans called their transports like "Liberty", produced in a huge series - "cheap packaging for expensive goods." So there were new ships, any more expensive than used ones.
      Quote: Reserve officer
      I don’t understand the essence of the article - reproach that everything is so bad?
      Yes, it seems like throwing shit at a fan. No suggestions, one nagging.
      1. +12
        August 11 2016
        bought for nothing, decommissioned dishes - so it's even nothing. Disposable packaging, but carry out their task, however.


        Questions to the TFR and the Audit Chamber. Let them understand.
        1. +3
          August 11 2016
          Quote: Alex_Tug
          Questions to the TFR and the Audit Chamber. Let them understand.
          For starters, questions to the source. I do not like those that do not open. Categorically.
          Page vpk-news.ru not working-what is it?
          1. +3
            August 11 2016
            For starters, questions to the source. I do not like those that do not open.


            http://vpk-news.ru/articles/31773
            Landfill Express
            The recruits of advanced years were mobilized for the war in Syria
            Mikhail Alekseev

            Everything opens for me.
            1. +4
              August 11 2016
              Quote: Alex_Tug
              Everything opens for me.

              ... unclear resource definitely ... screen ... and Kasperich growls ... wink
          2. +2
            August 11 2016
            Quote: nadezhiva
            Quote: Alex_Tug
            Questions to the TFR and the Audit Chamber. Let them understand.
            For starters, questions to the source. I do not like those that do not open. Categorically.
            Page vpk-news.ru not working-what is it?

            And I was sent "Where Makar did not drive calves, and through the GUGL, which I try not to use.
          3. +1
            August 11 2016
            working fine reboot
          4. 0
            August 12 2016
            Of course, I wildly apologize, but it seems to be a gangbang.
        2. +5
          August 11 2016
          In my opinion, there are questions for privatizers who have not yet calmed down.
      2. +33
        August 11 2016
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Yes, and here the Mistrals, if there is no berth for them in Tartus.

        And what, religion would not allow to use for unloading hypothetical Mistrals not PB, but ordinary Syrian ports?
        Hmeimim is only 25 km from Latakia. From Tartus to saw him almost three times further.
        Moreover, in the "Syrian Express" a significant part of the cargo goes for the Syrians themselves.
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Remember how during the Second World War the Americans called their transports like "Liberty" - "cheap packaging for expensive goods." So there were new ships. any more expensive than poyuzanyh.

        If our people bought something like "Liberty" - "Victory" (new, cheap. High-volume, in the minimum configuration) - it would be a great success. For this "cheap packaging" went around the world 30 years after the war.

        But, having squandered around the world the Soviet merchant fleet with its dual-use rollers and Arctic suppliers, now we are forced to buy not just second-hand, but frank trash.
        1. -3
          August 11 2016
          Quote: Alexey RA
          And what, religion would not allow to use for unloading hypothetical Mistrals not PB, but ordinary Syrian ports?
          Apparently, there are some considerations, maybe in matters of security. Ask the headquarters of the Navy. In addition, what is there to interpret about the French UDC now, if they are still not there and are not expected? Moreover, only the lazy did not criticize the expediency of acquiring the Mistrals.
          Quote: Alexey RA
          But, having squandered around the world the Soviet merchant fleet with its dual-use rollers and Arctic suppliers, now we are forced to buy not just second-hand, but frank trash.
          What to do now? Have the best deals so far? To right here and now to ensure stable shipping to Syria?
          1. +2
            August 11 2016
            19.25. I have a stupid question. Did you have to buy the vessels for sure? It was impossible to charter? I do not understand. Freight is paid. Right? And what difference does a ship carry under what flag? Money solves the transportation issue. Or not? Or are there restrictions on the transport of certain goods? But there is smuggling experience. With invoices for watermelons, actually carry Kamaz. Could you pay American flag ships for transporting potatoes and bring air bombs to Syria? Here is such a sketchy question. Can anyone answer?
            1. +2
              August 11 2016
              Freight is paid. Right? And what difference does a ship carry under what flag? Money solves the transportation issue. Or not? Or are there restrictions on the transport of certain goods? But there is smuggling experience. With invoices for watermelons, actually carry Kamaz. Could you pay American flag ships for transporting potatoes and bring air bombs to Syria?


              Of the entire ASS, listed by you, one is relevant. Passage of the Turkish Straits. The protection of watermelons (bombs) can be organized by the private security of the marines from Somali pirates.
              1. +6
                August 11 2016
                And sailing under the flag of the Russian Navy is easier, no declarations of cargo are required. No war has been declared between Russia and Turkey.
            2. +9
              August 11 2016
              Quote: Region 34
              And what difference does a ship carry under what flag?
              Big one. These vessels fly under the flag of the auxiliary forces of the Russian Navy and are not subject to halt and inspection.
              Quote: Region 34
              But there is smuggling experience
              Share your experience! Many will be interested bully
              1. +4
                August 11 2016
                Quote: Ami du peuple

                Quote: 34 region
                But there is smuggling experience

                Share your experience! Many will be interested


                Remember the movie was about arms smuggling. Someone Yuri was trading. If at least 10% of the film is reliable, then you can learn a lot about smuggling.
                I remember the tanks in Novorossiysk were detained, which they drove under the guise of scrap metal. You can delve into the story.
              2. +2
                August 12 2016
                Share your experience! Many will be interested


                The film "The Gun Baron" (Lord of War)
            3. +4
              August 11 2016
              Region 34, military cargo. Surely the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not want to "shine" transported. And so, the same Chinese probably have similar vessels, I even remember copied some project of a military transport vessel. hi
            4. +2
              August 11 2016
              Quote: 34 region
              19.25. I have a stupid question. Did you have to buy the vessels for sure? It was impossible to charter? I do not understand. Freight is paid. Right? And what difference does a ship carry under what flag? Money solves the transportation issue. Or not? Or are there restrictions on the transport of certain goods? But there is smuggling experience. With invoices for watermelons, actually carry Kamaz. Could you pay American flag ships for transporting potatoes and bring air bombs to Syria? Here is such a sketchy question. Can anyone answer?

              For the transport of military equipment, weapons on freight ships, special permission is required from countries through which ships pass and possibly customs clearance at the port, at the request of the authorities.Who would allow explosives to be transported through the Bosphorus. Military vehicles are not subject to customs clearance and inspection.
              But in the sense of the article, arithmetic always infuriates me. To transfer a couple of three million dollars per vessel and there are no ends, they are guessing at the coffee grounds!
              Each bank transfer leaves so many traces, and the heads of accounts know so much ...........................
              1. +1
                August 11 2016
                who wants to hide money (transactions), he will be able to
              2. +2
                August 12 2016
                Quote: APASUS
                For the transport of military equipment, weapons on freight ships, special permission is required from countries through which ships pass and possibly customs clearance at the port, at the request of the authorities.Who would allow explosives to be transported through the Bosphorus. Military vehicles are not subject to customs clearance and inspection.

                In the current state of relations between Russia and Turkey, a big problem would not have arisen.
                About the flags under which ships transport weapons and weapons ....
                In 1984, being in practice on the ship of the ChMP "Krasnoe Znamya", he took part both in the loading (tallyman) and in the transportation of both aerial bombs and shells and spare parts for equipment for the Iraqi army of S. Hussein, who then fought with army of Iran. Loaded in the p / p Novonikolaevka, unloaded in El-Shuaiba (Kuwait). Today, neither Turkey nor Greece, through which the cargo delivery route passes, will object. The opinion of amers can be shoved into a well-known place.
                The problem raised by the article is not new. The fact that the civilian Syrian express is essentially a collection of floating (and not yet drowned) scrap metal no longer surprises anyone. Bought "nimble boys" from the same Turks scrub... There is no sense in counting the money made on the gesheft. And the fact that they bought as used cars at a landfill - without documentation, without drawings (that's why SRZs don't undertake repairs) is a fact. The casket was opened simply - the RF Ministry of Defense did not have intelligent specialists at hand, the case was entrusted to the "young and cunning". And they showed themselves in the best light.
                But in the market of used civil vessels a good choice. European shipowners are trying to renew the fleet. And if you want, you can find good steamers built 20 years ago in European shipyards.
                Well, we do not have a civilian shipbuilding program. Tovarisch, who oversees the construction of new vessels for the Ministry of Transport, has a cash flow from inland waterways. So the river-sea type ships are built.
                And yet there is a mess in the civilian fleet in Russia. At the "helm" are the same nimble boys from Moscow (or Moscow nominees), who have a quick return on investment in their minds, but not a program for the development of the navy. And sometimes such pelvis go out to sea under the Russian flag that when meeting them, one becomes ashamed of the state ...
            5. +1
              August 11 2016
              I have a dumb question too. Why is the Ministry of Defense buying ships for the needs of the fleet, without coordination with the command of the same fleet? What is this initiative from above? I think that the Black Sea Fleet command, which is directly involved in supporting the Russian group in Syria, should know better what to buy.
            6. 0
              August 12 2016
              19.25. I have a stupid question. Did you have to buy the vessels for sure? It was impossible to charter?
              It is impossible. Sanctions.
            7. 0
              August 12 2016
              It is impossible. A chartered ship with military cargo could have been lightly searched and arrested by some French frigate. And the ship with the Andreev flag is no longer there, although we’re carrying it.
            8. +1
              August 12 2016
              Quote: Region 34
              19.25. I have a stupid question. Did you have to buy the vessels for sure? It was impossible to charter? I do not understand. Freight is paid. Right? And what difference does a ship carry under what flag?

              It was possible. Until 2012. And in 2012, insurance was withdrawn from the Alaed vessel chartered for the transport of goods to Syria.
              A bulk carrier coming from Baltiysk under the flag of Curacao was stopped off the coast of Scotland and, as it turns out, was forced to take the opposite course, as the British insurance company broke the contract with the shipowner, accusing him of delivering weapons to Syria.

              Moreover, shipowners were threatened that withdrawing insurance from ships operating on the Syrian line is the first step. Next will be a ban on entering ports.
              Quote: Region 34
              But there is smuggling experience. With invoices for watermelons, actually carry Kamaz. Could you pay American flag ships for transporting potatoes and bring air bombs to Syria?

              And run into the confiscation of the vessel and cargo - NATO now calmly stop and search all ships that they don’t like.
              The only more or less reliable protection for the ship so far is the flag of the Navy.
            9. +3
              August 12 2016
              Vessels bought at 300 thousand. The freight price will be higher than the purchase price, taking into account insurance, a database zone and the like. What is the article about?
              Apparently that "Zvezdochka" decided to kill the elephant, taking advantage of the situation. Having announced such a price to the MO (referring in particular to difficulties in purchasing documentation) that they were refused. And now all the bad ones ... MO quickly solved the problem. The price of the ships has already been recaptured, and considerable benefits have been received. Well, now the Ministry of Defense wants to try to keep the ships in service further. And "Zvezdochka" cowards public opinion in order to tear off the price of repair more. Patriotic, cho ...
              1. +2
                August 12 2016
                Quote: Mikhail3
                The freight price will be higher than the purchase price, taking into account insurance, a database zone and the like

                Well, what freight? Transferred money from one state pocket to another. Those. there is no real income from freight for transportation of goods to third-party cargo owners. And will not be. Because repair of ships of such a deadweight of 4000-5000 tons will be at least the same 300 thousand. And if the steamer is killed, the cost of docking and repair will double or triple.
                1. 0
                  August 12 2016
                  Such vessels (I mean the condition) are repaired either in a dry dock or on a slip.
                  "the same 300 thousand" will go uphill, downhill on a slip. A little cheaper in the dry dock.
              2. 0
                August 12 2016
                I wanted to read all the comments to the end and explain to "tovarischam" how wrong they are, but you got ahead of me. Plus to you.
        2. +4
          August 11 2016
          Quote: Alexey RA
          But, having squandered around the world the Soviet merchant fleet with its dual-use rollers and Arctic suppliers, now we are forced to buy not just second-hand, but frank trash.

          Alas, the fleet that was thirty years ago can only be remembered. A good example of how successfully market regulators work. What about
          What to do now? Have the best deals so far?
          There are suggestions. Well, if you buy ships, then in an acceptable condition. Or does someone believe that Syria will end and that there’s no need to carry goods anywhere else?
        3. +5
          August 11 2016
          Well, besides the fact that these are cheap dishes, as far as I remember there was a problem in the fact that it was impossible to use their civilian vessels, as the Turks could easily detain or search them. And in order to transfer them to the Navy, whose vessels are extraterritorial and which the Turks could not inspect, it took quite a bit of time and money. Tk, they also belong to someone. So what to do with them later, after the construction of specialized ships for the Navy? PM chose a simple solution - they bought junk for the Navy for one military operation, but on the cheap and very quickly. Turks cannot inspect them.
          And as for the number of flights, so the cargo will be taken by any of these old people much more than the BDK, which, in principle, are not intended for transportation, especially such an intensive one. hi
        4. +4
          August 11 2016
          Quote: Alexey RA
          But, having squandered around the world the Soviet merchant fleet with its dual-use rollers and Arctic suppliers, now we are forced to buy not just second-hand, but frank trash.

          Incidentally, this is because there is a large shortage of free or sold ships in the world - that's why they were bought by all kinds of barely floating d. But the fact that officials and all kinds of intermediaries are connected with relatives of people is undoubtedly interesting and most likely real.
          1. +3
            August 11 2016
            Quote: Warrior2015
            Incidentally, this is because in the world there is a large shortage of free or sold ships - therefore, they were bought by any barely floating g.

            The thing is that their auxiliary vessels were sold in 25 years, many at scrap prices, new ones were not built in the same years, and so far there are not even projects.
            Local operation in Syria showed the position of the auxiliary fleet of the Russian Federation.
            And what will happen with large-scale databases? Who then will sell us even old vessels?
            When will we begin to build at least something, and not tryndet ?!
            it used to be like this
        5. 0
          August 12 2016
          how much you can procrastinate the topic of the mistral, these boxes could come in handy only in one form, like a sawmill, it is economically unprofitable or impossible to use them in all the others, it’s cold in the Far East, it’s expensive to keep the flagship in the middle earth, and we’ll also equip them with Egypt
          1. +1
            August 12 2016
            Quote: nov_tech.vrn
            it’s cold in the Far East

            Is it designed for vessels designed to operate in the Northern Fleet, cold in the Far East? belay

            Don't confuse the original French Mistral and Sevastopol. At the insistence of our Defense Ministry, the French were forced to make a lot of changes to the project. That is why they had problems with the sale - "Sevastopol" turned out to be more expensive than the original "Mistral" and had many options, unnecessary for an ordinary customer.
      3. +4
        August 11 2016
        '' Remember how during the Second World War the Americans called their transports like "Liberty", produced in a huge series - "cheap packaging for expensive goods." These Liberty were stamped almost like on an assembly line. They paid off in one flight.
        1. +2
          August 11 2016
          Production Speed: One Liberty per day.
          1. +4
            August 11 2016
            Quote: gladcu2
            Production Speed: One Liberty per day.
            Take it higher - 3 units per day, when the production was already debugged. True, this is if we take into account all two dozen state shipyards on which they were built - that is, an average of 0,15 ships per shipyard per day. But the pace of construction of such large tonnage vessels is really staggering.
            1. +2
              August 11 2016
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Quote: gladcu2
              Production Speed: One Liberty per day.
              Take it higher - 3 units per day, when the production was already debugged. True, this is if we take into account all two dozen state shipyards on which they were built - that is, an average of 0,15 ships per shipyard per day. But the pace of construction of such large tonnage vessels is really staggering.

              that is, you acknowledge that criticism is not nagging?
              1. +4
                August 11 2016
                Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                that is, you acknowledge that criticism is not nagging?
                Namesake, this is not a criticism. This is from the series "and what for do we spend so much on the missions of the strategists of the salarons? So that the Ishilov donkey gets into the ass?" I am surprised that you do not understand this. With your flair hi
                In addition, "the critic must be ready and capable at any moment and upon demand to take the place of the criticized by him and carry out his work productively and competently; otherwise, criticism turns into a brazen self-sufficient force and becomes a brake on the path of cultural progress" (I will not say whose quote wink )
                And this material is similar to alarmism, at best. At worst, it’s for settling personal accounts.
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      6. +5
        August 11 2016
        And you offer, give me the money. And then here some have one cheap excuse when there is nothing to say about the facts - you are a fan of Ukrainian production scattering. And about the cheap and cheerful: Take-buy a rotten car, and put your child there and ride along the federal highway. Yes, the rotten Russian years since the 70s !!! To feel as if on tombs of iron someone's sons and husbands fulfill their duty to mother Motherland. Or son went there to these ships, let it be like this trash. That is, every phone call shook. Is there a fact of purchase? -Is it! -Older? -Yes !!! - Duck, and then where are the dermoventilators? Do you have that on-duty phrase in case: oh mom I have verbal diarrhea than to shut up?
        1. +6
          August 11 2016
          Quote: Der Russe
          And you offer
          Not "you" but "you", I don't graze geese with you.
          Quote: Der Russe
          Take-buy a rotten car-and put your child there and ride along the federal highway. Yes, rotten Russian years since the 70s
          Estimate (if we are on "you"), I go fishing with a two-year-old child on the "Niva" of 82nd edition. Including on the federal highway sometimes. wink
          Quote: Der Russe
          Is there a fact of purchase? -Is it! -Old? -Yes !!
          Give me money for a new one, since such a patriot. Are you ready? I don’t - and so I pay taxes in full.
          1. +2
            August 11 2016
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Give me money for a new one, since such a patriot. Are you ready? I don’t - and so I pay taxes in full.

            If you spend money on trash, then there won't be enough taxes. Talking about the operation of old ships in poor technical condition, everyone somehow forgets about such a "trifle" as Lloyd's insurance, which is significantly higher for such vessels than for new and technically sound vessels.
            1. +1
              August 11 2016
              Quote: Verdun
              everyone somehow forgets about such a "trifle" as Lloyd's insurance, which is significantly higher for such vessels than for new and technically sound vessels.
              Is Lloyd's insurance extended to navy ships (albeit auxiliary)? Although it is possible. I am wrong. It so happened that earlier somehow more and more specialized in criminal law, rather than international maritime feel Therefore, correct, if that, people who know.
              1. +2
                August 11 2016
                Quote: Ami du peuple
                This insurance does not apply to navy ships (albeit auxiliary ones).

                Do you think that this scrap metal is accepted into the Navy? Something I strongly doubt. Most likely, they quickly put together some kind of Kidalovo Incorporated with marvelous prices for the provision of relevant services, and - go ahead ... And, knowing the customs of domestic businessmen, I would not be surprised that before getting into Russian use, these "Cruisers" are resold several times and their value increases significantly.
                1. +1
                  August 12 2016
                  Quote: Verdun
                  Do you think that this scrap metal is accepted into the Navy? Something I strongly doubt.
                  Compared to some warships, which (on paper) are considered quite combat-ready units, these are really serious ships, and not "scrap metal" wink For you personally, a photo of the mentioned "Vologda-50" under loading in Sevastopol. Will you see the flag of the auxiliary forces of the Russian Navy at the stern? Or would you need a magnifying glass?
                  1. +3
                    August 12 2016
                    Quote: Ami du peuple
                    photo of the mentioned "Vologda-50"

                    Rust. If only they would paint with a roller or something ... It's a shame because you should go to such a trough.
                    1. 0
                      August 12 2016
                      You have not seen a court for which you are really ashamed. And this one has a decent appearance.
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                  3. 0
                    August 12 2016
                    What are ships doing? - transporting military cargo? Yes! -The Russian sailors serve there? -Yes !! They bought the Russian ships? -Yes !!! - And what flag Mn personally on my bolt which I have to the navel !!! And you use a magnifying glass to find in your body the perverted morality of which you operate here
              2. +2
                August 12 2016
                Quote: Ami du peuple
                Therefore, correct, if that, people who know.

                It's not about insurance at all ....
                My penultimate steamer was sold "the other day" (6000 DWT, Norwegian-built, 39 years old, much better than a 10-year-old Chinese). P
                Sold by all the rules:
                - the buyer arrived (the Egyptian), used the entire superstructure, engine room, hold, and even some ballasts;
                - in addition to all registration documents (certificate of registration, the right to fly under the flag of the country and a bunch of others - only about 20 certificates), almost ALL drawings of everything and everything (hulls, holds, superstructures, etc., about 50 in total) were transferred drawings).
                The final. Yesterday, the boss calls, and apologizing for being distracting (!!!), asks for an electric lock code on the doors of the superstructure - the buyer (well, Arab, they don’t recognize anyone other than the general manager) called that they say they closed the doors and cannot open .
                This is how responsible customers acquire steamboats.
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          3. +1
            August 12 2016
            N you respect the life of your child, respect others, Do I have the money for a new one? -And I supervise the very organization that deals with the purchase of ships? -Post above you demagoguery that the trash that travels across the seas and oksiyami is quite normal and for me duck it’s shame and shame before that de Turkey and China what it is !!! - MMMM --- the mother of the country is great and buys such a dull throat for her Navy. To read the article that pour pepper on a bolt is a shame. Great, mighty country Russia bought from China !!! - floating feces. China bought rusty trash from us and built an aircraft carrier from it! And looming money from people from people like you. And let it not be a pity for a brand new ship, but you will give it! - steal it !!! - they’re buying yachts for themselves !!
            1. 0
              August 12 2016
              Cho th then, you are some kind of aHressive, this is in the first place. And secondly, "the trash that travels on the seas and okiyans", in general, the ships WALK, AND DO NOT GO. Write offensive words for sailors.
        2. +5
          August 11 2016
          Quote: Der Russe
          And you offer, give me money

          "skrali" - give it? Should the Russian peasant pay for everything? -Take it from Siluanov, Serdyukov, Vasilyeva, Ulyukaev, Michelson, Fridman, Usmanov, Potanin, Mo
          Rdashov, Alekperov, Timchenko, Prokhorov, Lisin, Vekselberg, Deripaska, Khan, Fedun, ab
          ramovich ... I'm tired ... go on yourself ...
        3. +3
          August 11 2016
          Der russe
          Out of sporting interest, look at how many years on average our sailing ships Kruzenshtern, Sedov, you will be very surprised ..
          The age of the ship at 40 is a normal age and absolutely not an indicator. Another question is that their owners were dumb and therefore the technical condition can be epic / obscene ..
          in terms of the auto industry, to make it clearer, I don’t need a car from a traffic light driver (even if it’s a tricked-in gelding / Lexus), and at the same time I was here just before when buying a Nexia (from the very first Korean ones), so it looks like a sale it was better than from the passenger compartment and the engine was well-groomed. It’s just that the hostess (a good acquaintance of the customer) during all this time hit 68 of it all (she had a working machine all the time), and by years she should have been a rag-hohmut ...
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          2. 0
            August 11 2016
            Kruzenshtern was squeezed from the Germans at 45 for reparations — to him as Tsar Gorokh
            1. 0
              August 12 2016
              I apologize to ask, how much is King Pea ???
      7. 0
        August 11 2016
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Yes, and here the Mistrals, if for them there is no berth in Tartus

        Do religious beliefs interfere with the construction of piers?
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Disposable packaging, but carry out their task, however. At the same time saving the resource really needed fleet BDK.

        This is so, but it’s better not to bring it up to this — we need our own ships.
      8. +3
        August 11 2016
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Yes, it seems like throwing shit at a fan. No suggestions, one nagging.

        Uv.tezka, about the first part of the sentence: do not like criticism? Do you like our tug-barge fleet? I don't. And what about offers: who needs them? us, colleagues in VO? And yes: criticism is not worth calling names with whining, or are there two opinions: yours and the wrong one? Is it not patriotic to be indignant that we have such "colanders"? Yes, let them steal less ...
      9. +3
        August 11 2016
        As for the notorious mediator, then, according to unconfirmed data, a relative of a high-ranking official of one of the departments concerned may be related to him. Probably, the dog is buried here.

        Throwing shit on a fan? Nagging? Or is it incompetence, negligence, or maybe a misconduct by conspiracy.
        1. +1
          August 11 2016
          Quote: Balu
          As for the notorious mediator, then, according to unconfirmed data, a relative of a high-ranking official of one of the departments concerned may be related to him. Probably, the dog is buried here.

          The keyword here is ** according to unconfirmed data **
      10. +1
        August 11 2016
        why so? The competent authorities must figure it out. But to think that everything is perfect here is too early. So there should be such articles. Just so that they do not fall into euphoria.
      11. 0
        August 11 2016
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Yes, it seems like throwing shit at a fan. No suggestions, one nagging.

        But there is only one suggestion - WHO wrote this text, let it be difficult to do it yourself! With old ships and everything else!
      12. +1
        August 11 2016
        Yes, it seems like throwing shit at a fan. No suggestions, one nagging.


        Exactly. Do ships perform their task? Perform. What else does? To order novye in Korea, and to receive each unit a year and a half?
      13. +1
        August 11 2016
        I agree, the article is complete g ...... about on the fan
      14. 0
        August 12 2016
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        And what is used, bought for a song,

        Something about the fact that bought for a song, there are very strong suspicions ... No.
        1. 0
          August 12 2016
          But wiggling someone else's fingers is not welcome in the corps of our bureaucrats. Didn't you know? As soon as they take someone for "Feberge", it immediately turns out that he has at least 2 serious illnesses and he has been preparing for a cross "farm" for as long as a year, but from "last strength, for the sake of the fatherland" he "spat" on his health, "pulls this unbearable strap." If, we are with you, we offer him to replace him, then he will say, we cannot, or something like that. In a word, he is like a proud "Varyag", WILL GO TO THE END, AND THE END OF HIS YEARS TILL 80, UNTIL THE SON OR Daughter COMES TO CHANGE. Dynasty however.
    2. +12
      August 11 2016
      "a relative of a high-ranking official of one of the concerned departments may have something to do with him. Probably, the dog is buried here."


      I don’t know where the dog is buried there, but I remember well how civilian vessels were sold to Asian countries for a nominal fee of 1 ruble. I don’t understand the essence of the article - reproach that everything is so bad? Yes, not just bad, but blatantly disgusting. Moreover, if things went to the Navy, then this can not be said about civilian cargo ships. And in the near future something is not expected.
      If only gentlemen of the oligarchs nationalize comfortable ocean-going yachts (built or bought with money received by them, including from the theft of the civilian fleet) and primitively buy ships abroad. Own - in the distant future.
      1. +6
        August 11 2016
        But in my opinion, someone quickly took advantage of the time pressure situation, and "warmed up his hands". Not without insider information, and without a "hairy paw". This is food for the TFR. The eternal theme is military supplies and thieving quartermasters. Suppliers and Transport ...
      2. +5
        August 11 2016
        Entertaining math.
        Aircraft cruiser Minsk, year of construction 1975; - full displacement of 43 3710 tons; -cost of the built ship 250 million rubles; -year of sale (age) November 000 (000 years); - residual value at the time of sale: 1994 rubles; $ 19 (USD exchange rate = 86 rubles); - Planned selling price of $ 580; -Sale price in US dollars. $ 000; The state received from the sale $ 000 less than the residual value of the ship. Carrier cruiser Novorossiysk, year of construction 27; - full displacement 424 tons; -cost of the built ship 770 million rubles; -year of sale (age) November 3157 (4 years); - residual value at the time of sale: 500 rubles; 000 US dollars (US dollar exchange rate = 4 rubles); - Planned selling price of $ 583; -Sale price in US dollars. $ 880; The state received $ 22 less from the ship’s residual value from the sale.
        Sea transport "Anadyr" was built in Turku (Finland), year of construction 1988; - full displacement of 27 tons; -cost of the vessel built: A) contractual for the USSR 000 rubles. * B) internal for the Navy 39.750 rubles .; (the difference in the amount of 000 52 470 rubles remained in the USSR. **); -year of sale (age) November 000 (12 years); - residual value at the time of sale: A) 720 000 1994 6 rubles, or 29 764 800 US dollars (US dollar rate = 000 rubles); B) 9 rubles, or 428 US dollars; - Planned selling price of $ 191; *** Selling price in US dollars. $ 3157; The government received $ 39 289 more from the sale than the residual value of the vessel. *) the actual amount paid by the USSR of Finland for a fully built ship. **) the amount remaining in the USSR does not have any relation to the state’s expenses for the construction of the vessel and should not be taken into account in calculating the residual value. ***) the price reduction occurred due to the technical condition of the vessel, loss of class of the Maritime Register, attempts to arrest it at a foreign port (Singapore in 536).

        Now we are disentangling the same game inherited from Yeltsin and his addicts, while the one who carried out all this, Chubais and K, is feeling well now. Http://flot.com/forum/? FID = 14 & PAGE_NAME = read & TID = 137 & PAGEN_1 = 20

        And this ... this is what was, but destroyed.
        http://www.universalinternetlibrary.ru/book/35724/ogl.shtml
        Although, part of it remained what difficulties it cost the Navy can only guess.
        1. 0
          August 11 2016
          I came across depreciation ...
          12% per year (regardless of the conditions - carried a cap or a rubble) - as a result, the residual value of the two cars will be the same, but you will never find buyers for the second car - unlike the first) ...
          For how much they bought - for so much they sold. And how many MYSELF of commissions went into the pocket of the participants of the transaction for lowering the sale price - we will never know this ....
        2. +1
          August 11 2016
          do not poison the soul with digital figures and so everything is clear
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    4. 0
      August 11 2016
      But even that is true !!! - That's where they would be at the very time !!! - There were screams after all! -N are needed but those on !!! - Look, you ... And really .. .
    5. 0
      August 11 2016
      Volgobaltes are rusty at 5 thousand tons, let them work a little, they’ll leave for scrap anyway, a team of 12-15 people is not a problem to hire, they will get there - back - not a fact
      1. Volgobalt - three thousandths, five thousandth - Volgodon. hi
    6. 0
      August 11 2016
      Do not understand.
      It turns out people (Mikhail Alekseev) and says that the whole supply is wrong !!!
  2. +3
    August 11 2016
    You are completely off topic for what the Mistals are needed ...
    1. +2
      August 11 2016
      Except for the transportation of goods anywhere else.
  3. +5
    August 11 2016
    It is good that even though these vessels remained in a more or less operational condition ... It's a shame of course, but if there is nothing else and more suitable, then you have to get by with what you have. It is a fact...
    And there is no need to put a minus to the material. Although he is not very pleasant, he is quite objective. And its only "drawback" (for some contingent of our colleagues on the site) is the complete absence of corny patriotic urry. And this is also a fact ...
    1. +1
      August 11 2016
      And its only "drawback" (for some contingent of our colleagues on the site) is the complete absence of corny patriotic urry. And this is also a fact ...



      There is another drawback - the price of this vessel for the treasury and the comparative analysis are unclear. Not enough time, or super secret?
      Then the conversation would be more specific ....
  4. +1
    August 11 2016
    What was Peter 1 doing with those who robbed the fleet, even I don’t remember? what To the rhea sad - I see ... But I remember that he even performed more intricate with them feel ... no one in the know? winked
    1. +1
      August 11 2016
      Angry partisan-fed the evil partisan !!! wassat
      1. +1
        August 11 2016
        Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
        He fed the evil partisan

        No.
        Rather ruslan 67 Yes . This is it all rubbish sad pulls in his mouth ...
        1. +1
          August 11 2016
          Quote: Angry Guerrilla
          It he any rubbish :( pulls in a mouth ...

          Report on sleep ... when you delineate bridges when you imagine? am I’ll take it off - you’ll spread bugs on the bark Yes Kovpak miscarriage wassat
          1. +1
            August 11 2016
            Quote: Ruslan67
            Kovpak miscarriage

            sad
            Ruslan. But if you consider you as a vehicle, then what is your drive? I see that a fig is not front No. .
            Hello, creeping! drinks
            1. +2
              August 11 2016
              Quote: Angry Guerrilla
              But if you consider you as a vehicle, then what is your drive?

              For a hearse no difference request Come along wink I will pump Yes Inside the cabin laughing
              Hi drinks Beggar saboteur tongue
              1. +1
                August 11 2016
                Quote: Ruslan67
                Bleeding Inside the cabin
                No.
                Well, firstly, your eyes will be pulled to the back of your head, and secondly, heartburn is tormenting.
                1. +2
                  August 11 2016
                  Quote: Angry Guerrilla
                  and secondly heartburn torment.

                  A bucket of espumisan to help Yes and the end of the partisan movement laughing
                  1. +1
                    August 11 2016
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    A bucket of espumisan to help

                    fool Horseradish therapist.
                    Firstly, it’s not from heartburn, and secondly, your jet thrust will disappear request . I have to stomp my feet Yes and you are not ready sad ...
                    1. +2
                      August 11 2016
                      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
                      Horseradish therapist.

                      I hear from a retired gynecologist tongue
                      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
                      . I have to stomp my feet

                      Before such a fat guerrilla I crawl wassat
                      1. +1
                        August 11 2016
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Before such a fat guerrilla I crawl

                        You’ll crawl up to the first hemp rather than to the partisans Yes When you’ll surrender, look carefully, don’t hitch a bitch, otherwise in our forest rumors spread quickly ... feel
    2. +1
      August 11 2016
      Quote: wicked partisan
      What was Peter 1 doing with those who robbed the fleet, even I don’t remember? what To the rhea sad - I see ... But I remember that he even performed more intricate with them feel ... no one in the know? winked

      The military regulations of Petra1 provided for a wide variety of punishments: walking on wooden stakes, stamping with iron, cutting ears, cutting off a hand or fingers, cutting off a tongue, tearing out nostrils, casting with bats, gauntlets, whipping, whipping, and rods.
    3. +1
      August 11 2016
      Lined up
      1. +2
        August 11 2016
        Quote: MyKL
        Lined up

        He hung up trading people for embezzlement, but Menshikov beat him with his feet, but from this he still stole and stole (well, he got so ugly or he taught the bazaars in his childhood)
        "The hand remained faithful, but stolen ...."
    4. +1
      August 11 2016
      snorkel in the ass?
    5. 0
      August 12 2016
      Peter drove into a ship of all suppliers with families and ordered to dance on the deck, and rotten boards and rotten hemp fell and the ship went to the bottom at the berth. more than 100 souls perished in a panic. Well, the suppliers of guns were personally forced to check the gun with the 3rd charge of gunpowder.
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  6. +2
    August 11 2016
    Everything is as usual with us, someone was robust enough to cut the babosiks, and someone will have to serve on these buckets .... And as always, there are no guilty people ...
  7. +1
    August 11 2016
    discussed this topic from all sides. And again and again
    1. aba
      0
      August 11 2016
      discussed this topic from all sides. And again and again

      Yes, you can at least a hundred times if it gives a result. But this is just the strain ...
  8. +2
    August 11 2016
    So, in fact, does the fleet have no auxiliary vessels at all? Why didn’t they take their bulk carriers, or did commerce raise the price to heaven?
    1. 0
      August 11 2016
      Since ours have been building for too long, the Navy will have to purchase used transport vessels abroad.
    2. +2
      August 11 2016
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      So does the fleet have essentially no auxiliary vessels at all?

      Transport ships of the appropriate class - yes. On the Syrian line, the fleet was even forced to put a killer and Arctic transport 12 GU MO.

      In Soviet times, the supply problem would have been closed by 2-3 rollers and 3-4 bulk carriers of shipping companies. But now such ships (and shipping companies) either died or went under a convenient flag. But the concept of building a fleet has not changed - the Navy still relied on inertia for a civilian fleet, and did not create its analogue MSC. So they got into a mess.
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      Why didn’t they take their bulk carriers, or did commerce raise the price to heaven?

      So with the freight of dry cargoes it all started. And then the ship carrying helicopters to Syria was simply denied international insurance. And they said that this will happen to everyone - and especially stubborn they will simply close the ports. After that, freight could be forgotten - ship-owners could immediately close after the first voyage to Syria.

      State shipping companies or the domestic analogue of MSC - Military Sealift Command could save the situation. But the Russian Federation has neither one nor the other.
      1. 0
        August 11 2016
        Lloyd's register Lloyd's register - nafig they need these pelvis - a one-way flight, delivered the iron to the "brothers" and for scrap
        1. 0
          August 12 2016
          Quote: sp44
          Lloyd's register Lloyd's register - nafig they need these pelvis - a one-way flight, delivered the iron to the "brothers" and for scrap

          How will the Straits pass on such pelvis? The Turks will not let them in - and, alas, they will be right.
  9. +5
    August 11 2016
    And what about the large-capacity civilian fleet? And with its replenishment? How long have new bulk carriers been built? I’ll tell you about the Rechflot. We have on the Volga, all the ships are still Soviet-built! And the ship cemetery, between the Green Island and the shipyard, was cut into metal, the water area is clean! Yes, the sunken barges, of which a great many were lying at the bottom, were raised and cut ...
    And on the topic, where to get the ship, if we do not build them enough? You can order in China. But it is money and time. Buy second-hand cheaper and faster. Just enough to perform the required functions. So we got out of the situation whenever possible! Not without jambs, but came out ...
    PS Maybe the Americans through the frontmen to buy an aircraft carrier. At a reasonable price ... laughing
    1. 0
      August 11 2016
      Quote: AlNikolaich
      Maybe the Americans through the dummies to buy an aircraft carrier. At a reasonable price ...

      It's easier for a couple of oligarchs to present a "hemp tie". Should the ownership of property in the country being robbed imply a certain amount of responsibility to it?
    2. 0
      August 11 2016
      ne-ne-ne, we are buying everything from the Chinese. first we sell them and then buy. let's buy back from them our aircraft carriers laughing
    3. 0
      August 11 2016
      Quote: AlNikolaich
      S Maybe with the Americans through the dummies, an aircraft carrier to buy. At a reasonable price

      I do not know what it would be necessary but ..
      http://news.bigmir.net/world/868237-Legendarnii-avianosec-SShA-bil-prodan-za-1-c

      ent
      The Ranger was sold for 1 cent because it was not possible to collect the necessary 35 million for the museum from it.
      As a result, the price of metal went to disassembly.
  10. PKK
    +1
    August 11 2016
    Thank you for raising such an urgent topic. Well, we will once again rub off in impotent proletarian hatred of the traitors of the motherland.
  11. +1
    August 11 2016
    An interesting article, the author, without any political and "Uryakal" background, told how our officials profit from the lives of our military and the embezzlement of the state budget. Moreover, it is quite reliable and well-reasoned.
  12. 0
    August 11 2016
    they didn’t do super missiles but there was nothing to bring them on. The super Russian fleet again landed in a puddle. I offer these boats for these purposes
  13. +2
    August 11 2016
    There is strategic planning, there is operational planning (they are absent at the state level in Russia), but there is situational planning, according to the principle "to hunt and feed the dogs", the main technology in the state management of the country at present.

    And so it happened with the support of the Syrian operation. It turned out or was planned, it’s not important anymore.
    It is important to create confusion and catch your $$ million in your pocket in troubled waters, which is what happened with sea transport.
    And nobody will be asked for it.

    No one to ask.
    One is busy removing the Turkish scimitar from the back (this is not easy to do) and issuing 675 Chinese warnings to those who seized power in Kiev, accompanying the warnings with formidable silence in the waiting mode for Kiev to execute the Minsk agreements, until the cancer on the mountain whistles.

    The other, an iPhone master, who does not know about state affairs at all, only manages to urge people to stay here, because there is no money, and also to advise teachers on how to earn money by changing their profession to the police service.

    But in general, the State Department, meldonium and the 5th column are to blame.
    1. +2
      August 11 2016
      Quote: akudr48
      But in general, the State Department, meldonium and the 5th column are to blame.

      This is Alexander, absolutely. It is the State Department and the "column" that are to blame for all the sins of our leadership, while the government itself is actually "white and fluffy" and exactly what you wrote about interferes with bringing order to the country. hi
      PS It's so convenient for our government, there is someone to blame all its own shortcomings, and sometimes outright stupidity. I do not even mention corruption, the damned State Department bred it in our country like opium in Afghanistan. How did he manage to do this without occupying the country? I don’t know. Probably in the heyday of corruption in Russia, the State Department again, "7, that is, the 5th column" was assisted. what
      According to my suspicions, DAM is an agent of the State Department, for as much harm as IT did to Russia, neither the State Department, nor Meldonium, nor the 5th convoy and all other enemies combined, brought Russia.
  14. 0
    August 11 2016
    I didn’t understand what in the Navy there are no ships at all? are we so poor really? except for submarines do not build anything? : (((And if tomorrow is war? !!!
  15. 0
    August 11 2016
    Quote: NOC-VVS
    are there no ships at all in the navy?

    the trouble is not that, but that there are no necessary and auxiliary ones.
    Buying these is already from hopelessness and the need to urgently deliver. On the one hand, one can blame - where is the planning and where is the construction of such. On the other hand, well done, well done.
    In general - at first there is no money / as if there is no need, but then you still have to spend it on a problem that has suddenly appeared.
  16. +1
    August 11 2016
    The article does not have the most important thing: prices. There are explanations on the quality, maybe the price is the same.
  17. +2
    August 11 2016
    Don’t worry, they will drive you to Chinese shipyards and there they will repair everything without any documentation and translate into Russian, since ours cannot (although I think if they give more money and ours do). And if the author wants to reveal some fraud during the purchase, it would be easier to express his thoughts, here all adults. Well, if the author already has facts at his disposal, then the paper and pen will help him.
  18. 0
    August 11 2016
    Quote: Vladimir 1964
    According to my suspicions, DAM is an agent of the State Department,


    I do not agree with you, I believe that DAM is not just an agent, but a super agent!
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  20. 0
    August 12 2016
    I wonder what they completed their task? having made 1-2 flights? ships should go back and forth, and not be anchored after each call. The belt already took more than the acquisition ...
    as usual, cut the dough ...
  21. +1
    August 12 2016
    What is the article about? And an article about Mikhail Alekseev, specifically about how he fights corruption!
    according to unconfirmed reports, a relative of a senior official of one of the departments concerned may be related to him.

    But what kind of relative is this, what kind of official is and what is this department ????? And this is a military secret that Mr. Alekseev can’t reveal .... probably gave a subscription!
    Now about the problem of the auxiliary fleet, in particular the UVF Black Sea Fleet. What is the 205 detachment of vessels providing the Black Sea Fleet? And the 205-th detachment is all that remains of the 16-th and 9-th brigades of naval and raid support vessels! In the 1991th year, only the 16th brigade numbered 72 floating units. I want to especially notice for many connoisseurs of this problem, as part of the auxiliary fleet NEVER there were no transport ships, only special purpose ships. The only exception was the dry cargo ship "Kolkhida", project 567, built in 1962. They tried to convert the Kolkhida into an arms transport in connection with the accident at the Berezina compressor station. The transportation of special cargo (weapons, ammunition, equipment) was always handled by the ships of the USSR MMF, while the USSR Ministry of Defense did not fracture them and had nothing to do with these transportation! Before the start of operations in Syria, the Russian Aerospace Forces needed no additional ships, at the very least, the fleet was coping. To ensure the actions of the Aerospace Forces, a special cargo will be required many times more. MO started as usual ..
    Quote: Alexey RA
    So with the freight of dry cargoes it all started. And then the ship carrying helicopters to Syria was simply denied international insurance. And they said that this will happen to everyone - and especially stubborn they will simply close the ports. After that, freight could be forgotten - ship-owners could immediately close after the first voyage to Syria.

    And the MoD urgently purchases 8 bulk carriers of Turkish and Greek production for the transport of troops and military equipment to Syria, and urgently as much as they were needed yesterday. This urgency indicates that the operation of the airborne forces in Syria was not planned in advance, and the time for planning, approving, determining the order of aircraft was within a maximum of 2-3 months. My dear friends, now explain to me what is criminal in the actions of the Russian Defense Ministry? When a bunch of old ferries were bought to ensure the cargo and passenger flow through the Kerch crossing, it was reasonable and normal, but what is wrong with military bulk carriers ???
    Quote: Alexey RA
    State shipping companies or the domestic analogue of MSC - Military Sealift Command could save the situation. But the Russian Federation has neither one nor the other.

    what Oh, Alexei, I don’t know if these state shipping companies will appear, probably hardly. And the Black Sea Shipping Company played the role of the Shipping Command for the KChF of the USSR. At the moment, I do not see any problems with my small growth for creating an analogue of the Military Sealift Command!
    1. 0
      August 12 2016
      Quote: Serg65
      When a bunch of old ferries were bought to ensure the cargo and passenger flow through the Kerch crossing, it was reasonable and normal, but what is wrong with military bulk carriers ???

      Moreover, one of these ferries lit up in the "express" with cargo just for Khmeimim (exactly before the transfer of our aviation group to Syria). smile
      Quote: Serg65
      Oh, Alexei, I don’t know if these state shipping companies will appear, probably not.

      BMP seems to be recovering.
  22. 0
    August 12 2016
    Article - UG, author - shit thrower on a fan.
  23. 0
    August 16 2016
    "... As noted by a source familiar with the situation, during the reception of Dvinitsa-50, it was stated that its full service life (30 years) expired in June 2015 ..."

    There is no desire to dig info on other vessels, but even on this line alone it is clear that the author or source is not very reliable. And the author is confused in terms. I explain.
    At the time of the penultimate call of the vessel under the Turkish flag to Novorossiysk on 25.05.2015, it had a valid Turkish Lloyd certificate
    Date of issue: 02.08.2010
    End date: 21.08.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX
    Further, at the time of the last call of the vessel under the Turkish flag to Novorossiysk on 03.10.2015, it had a valid Turkish Lloyd certificate
    Date of issue: 04.08.2015
    End date: 21.08.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX
    The author equates the "International Ship Security Certificate / Interim International Ship Security Certificate" and "... the full service life of the ship ..." This is roughly how to say that if a car does not have a technical inspection, then it has worked out its full service life ... Until the 90s, Liberty still worked with us ...

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