Ideology is not and is not necessary?

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On the ideological errors Rostislav Ishchenko ...

Ideology is not and is not necessary? Recently, I read an article on ideology, written by one of the most popular domestic political scientists - Rostislav Ishchenko (see Questions of ideology). It's not about how much its author owns this topic. The problem is different: the attitude towards ideology as something unnecessary, harmful and splitting society has become popular in the Russian intellectual elites. “Out of ideological statehood” (R.Ishchenko's term) - this, it turns out, is a panacea for all state diseases. But is it? For example, the main slogan of Ukraine, which formally does not have a single ideology: “Ukraine - ponad mustache!” (“Ukraine is above all!”) Is a declaration of “statehood” in its pure form. So, maybe, “statehood” for Russia is “Russia - above all!”? Or an example of the most successful state of the twentieth century - the United States, where with "statism" full order. Maybe the United States and its methods of state building and conquering the world (for example, the destruction of 30 million Indians) can be the standard of “statehood”? If not, then what “statist” principles (ideas) are good for proper “statism”? Continuing the argument about “statism”, we are simply doomed to rest on principles, ideas, and therefore, on the ideology of the state, this is obvious. But the author insists on the opposite, they say, any "the only true ideology," instead of a popular patriotic monolith, will give rise to an endless struggle of compatriots of different ideological preferences, which will certainly destroy the state.

So, in order of the errors of domestic intellectuals, presented in the above-mentioned resonant article.

Misconception №1. A narrow understanding of ideology as an expression of the political interests of various social strata (classes, groups).

“With this understanding of ideology, we can agree that“ the task of the state is not to accept the position of one social group as a dogma (even if it is framed in an outwardly attractive ideology), but to smooth over existing contradictions and, on the basis of a social-class compromise, achieve unity ” . But the whole point is that ideology should be understood much more broadly. So, as it was understood in all traditional cultures before the Masonic ideological experiments on humanity. Ideology is, first of all, the moral and spiritual aspiration of society; she educates, revealing answers to the questions: “What are we living for?”, “What kind of society are we building?”, “What is our moral ideal?”, “What is our value system?”. With this understanding of ideology, its adoption is the primary task of the state. Who, pray tell, will teach a citizen where good is and where evil is? Based on what criteria? What is moral, what is immoral? Whose historical interpretation of events to believe? What is the truth to convey to schoolchildren and students? Is political and moral censorship necessary? Or can the pro-Western media belonging to the oligarchs continue to idealize the West, humiliate our Fatherland, rewrite history, and propagate with impunity the base and immoral ones, corrupting our youth and destroying the institution of the family? Without a solid, constructive ideology, these issues are not resolved.


Misconception №2. The united ideology for the state is absolute evil (“an attempt to define“ the only true doctrine ”and with all the power of the state to comb one size fits all is absolute evil”).

- The fact is that ideology of ideology is different. Indeed, there are obvious ideologies of “evil” (for example, Nazism or Fascism), but there is also an ideology of “good”, which as a moral aspiration has existed for as many as 15 centuries !!! Yes, there is no clear classification of ideologies due to the exceptional complexity of the issue. But, if desired, the ideology can be classified according to the criterion of "good and evil." For example, depending on what deep idea is inherent in its basis. In this case, two such basic ideas can be considered: 1) a civilizational (unifying) idea of ​​merciful love, distributed to all people without any exception; 2) is a barbaric (disconnecting) idea of ​​hatred, due to the idea of ​​one or another superiority (exclusivity) of one over the other. The first group includes the ideology of merciful love, characteristic of Orthodox empires, and the second group includes ideologies of hatred, for example, Marxism as class hatred; fascism as a hatred of Marxism; Nazism as national hatred; liberalism as a hatred of traditional values; Russophobia as a hatred of everything Russian. The ideology of love is based on the religious and moral idea of ​​Christianity, which gives birth to Man in man. For the rest - the experiments of the Anglo-Saxons, along with the masons (anti-Christian ideas of hatred) on the awakening of the beast in man.

Misconception №3. We do not need ideology. Enough “statehood” (“since the absence of ideology is also ideology, then extra ideological statehood, which by the way is the quasi ideology of the Russian Federation, is the most acceptable ideology”).

- The problem is that there is no ideological vacuum. If a state does not have its own ideology, then this vacuum is quickly filled with the aggressive pressure of liberalism (the ideology of the United States and their vassals). Liberalism is strong and successful not so much by its outstanding theorists or the attractiveness of its tenets, but by the power of informational, political and financial pressure from the Anglo-Saxon Empire. The slogan “We do not need ideology!” In practice means “Long live liberalism!”, And the latter, in turn, is identical to the slogan “Long live the hegemony of the USA!”. Article 13 of the current Constitution of Russia states that no ideology can be established as a state one, which completely disarmed Russia ideologically. There is no ideological control by the state that opened the way for liberal propaganda. Domestic mass media openly or imperceptibly, but persistently impose certain liberal values. The Russian political nation is a winning nation, but to win it needs a unifying and mobilizing idea. Self-preservation of the Fatherland requires ideological parity in the information war with the Anglo-Saxon Empire. Ideology should be morally, socially and intellectually organizing system that ensures state sovereignty. Compatriots, being in the thrall of false ideas imposed by liberal ideology, are not able to independently sort out and part with liberal political myths crammed into their heads. This task should be solved by the state ideology. About "statism" is written in the beginning of the article.

Misconception №4. Ideology prevents the state from becoming successful. “The myth of the highly successful ideologized state has been refuted by history. Despite the short-term (from a historical point of view) impressive successes, eventually Nazi Germany, and fascist Italy and communist (from the point of view of the dominant ideology) of the USSR collapsed. ”

- Collapsing and dying in the material world everything and always, including the state. On the other hand, it is impossible to name in the entire history of mankind a single successful state without ideology. For example, a successful long-lived state - the Byzantine Empire, which existed for eleven centuries (!), Had the ideology of an Orthodox empire. If we consider the United States to be successful (although the period of several centuries will be too small for evaluation by historical standards), then liberal ideology prevails there, and enormous resources are spent on supporting it. Ideology (although the term itself appeared only at the end of the XVIII century) has been since the formation of the first sovereign states. Ideology in the states was because all its functions were fulfilled, although by different bodies (council of elders, leader, monarch, senate, court, priests, church, etc.). Ideology in the state is necessary as a socially, intellectually and morally organizing system that ensures the moral state of society (including patriotism and the desire for state sovereignty). Conversely, the loss of ideology (and therefore the loss of oneself) in 1991. led to the collapse of our Fatherland with a long decline in all public spheres.

Misconception №5. Ideology should not be a dogma. “As soon as you try to turn an ideology into a dogma and begin to subordinate the activities of the state to it, it will fall in your hands. This, by the way, was well understood by Lenin and Stalin. The first one, quite calmly, rejected the “war communism”, in favor of the NEP, instead of the Bolshevik communist program of land reform, adopted the Socialist Revolutionary Petty Bourgeois ”.

- Do not confuse politics and ideology, they are different things. Ideology is, first of all, a spiritual striving, a moral ideal of a desired society, a dogmatic notion of what truth is and what is false, what is good, and what is bad. A policy (internal, for example, economic or external) is always a “chess game” of the state leadership, where each next move is a response to current internal or external challenges. Such an analogy is appropriate here: the ship floats to its destination (ideology is the ultimate goal of the movement, dogma), but on the way it gets into a storm, encounters reefs, the ship has problems, in the hold ends the provisions, etc., then the ship temporarily deviates from a given course - this is the current policy. That is, within the framework of a single ideological paradigm, political maneuvers can change, which almost always happens. At the same time, ideology makes a moral adjustment to politics (not all political maneuvers are morally permissible).

Misconception №6. Liberals are a powerful political force with which it is better not to conflict. "There are at least 15-20 million supporters of liberals in the country, they will not accept such violence against their conscience (as a single ideology. - FP) that they will actively protest and this will destabilize the situation."

- The problem is that liberals are agents of influence of the Anglo-Saxon Empire, regardless of whether they understand it, the heart, whether it is or not. Liberalism is the ideology of the Anglo-Saxon Empire, developed and adapted to control the world, the approval of world domination of the United States. Therefore, liberalism destroys any tradition and any statehood (except for its own, of course). Here are examples from history. Russian liberals destroyed their empire in February 1917 in favor of someone else's. The same story repeated in 1991, when Kremlin liberals destroyed the Soviet empire, as a result of which the Russians turned out to be the largest divided people in Europe. Liberal Western Europe broke up with its sovereignty and is currently an obedient vassal of the Anglo-Saxon Empire. The question in Russia is an edge: either liberalism and obedience to the United States, or sovereignty. Ukraine, for example, chose to obey the United States. The people of Russia made their choice by supporting the sovereign foreign policy of their president. And with the protests of agents of influence of the Anglo-Saxon Empire, the power will have to fight by legal means, the Russian “Maidan” cannot be allowed.

Misconception №7. “The state is primary, and the ideology is secondary. A state can exist with any ideology and without ideology at all. ”

- I will not touch on the eternal philosophical debate about the primacy of matter or consciousness. Turn to the facts. In the first half of the XIX century, Karl Marx got the idea of ​​social justice and class struggle, then this idea was generously sponsored by Freemasonry (through F. Engels), the multivolume Marxist doctrine appeared, then Marxist circles were sponsored by Anglo-Saxons, and half a century later a coup in Russia was organized, formed a unique Marxist state - the USSR. I don’t know how anyone, but I don’t manage to imagine that in the USSR the ideology was not primary, and the Soviet Union could exist without ideology. A similar story with Hitler. Initially, an idea appears in his book "Mein Kampf", then funding from the Anglo-Saxon Empire, after which the party of national socialism grows, which wins democratic elections; so from the idea of ​​Nazism arose the German Empire - III Reich. In general, the entire history of states is the embodiment of certain ideas of government (monarchical, democratic, aristocratic) and those or other moral ideas (myths, religions, ideologies). Any of the famous cultures is a practical implementation of a particular religious and moral idea. The whole history of humanity is an endless struggle of ideas, and we must try very hard not to notice this. And, conversely, without ideology (without ideas, without meaning), the life of the state may be possible, but only in a short-term, transitional and unstable period (for example, unrest).

The reasons for the errors of domestic patriots include the lack of basic knowledge about empires and, specifically, about the ideology of the Orthodox empire. There is knowledge about confederations, federations and unitary forms of government, but there is no such thing as the most effective form of multiethnic and multi-confessional education - empire. The Bolsheviks and liberals tried to destroy this knowledge. The truth is simple: only within the framework of a civilized imperial project, which unites peoples on a voluntary basis, can their sovereignty, ethnic identity be preserved, protected from the “rink” of liberalism and resist external threats. A small, weak state may not even dream of sovereignty, it will have to sail only in the fairway permitted by one or another empire. The ideological basis of the Orthodox empire is very simple: imperial decisions must be moral in the Orthodox understanding of morality. The ideology of the Orthodox empire does not impose on its citizens the spiritual and ritual component of the Christian religion. We can talk only about the preservation of original traditions, their imperial unique historical and cultural path of development, elevating the moral ideal. In the Orthodox empires, citizens of the most diverse nationalities, beliefs and political views lived together perfectly. The ideology of Orthodox imperialism, professing “love of neighbor”, is tolerant to very much, except for attempts at internal destabilization, external aggression and subversive work in the interests of competing empires. This ideology has passed 15-century test of time in Byzantium and Russia.

Conclusion. The liberal delusions of our intellectual elites have cost us dearly in the past, so patriots cannot propagandize liberal values.

No matter how our state is called, it is important that it be a civilization empire in its essence. It does not matter how many official languages, religions or political parties in the country. It is important that the people feel comfortable in their native empire and live according to their own ways and traditions. It does not matter how the position of the person holding a key position in our state sounds. It is important that he was emperor in essence, that is, to have a fatherly love for his people and responsibility for the country. It does not matter what faith leaders of different levels of the state. It is important that their morality does not contradict the Orthodox. It doesn’t matter how to call ideology (a national idea, principles or concepts), it’s important that government decisions at all levels are moral in the Orthodox understanding of morality.

It can be perceived as a phenomenon quite wonderful that Orthodox Athos recently honored the Russian president as emperor. It remains for a little - to restore the empire and its ideology. I believe we will wait for it. But should not hurry. It is impossible to deploy a huge state ship abruptly at speed, it can tip over. The Russian state is slowly but surely restoring its former strength. And in order for the process to go faster - you need the contribution of each compatriot, in word or deed, for the good of the Fatherland.
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  1. -8
    9 August 2016 18: 38
    I don’t know who this author is, Ph.D. and publicist! But Rostislav Ishchenko, Papayani, it would be better not to touch! I respect Rostislav ... And yet: my wife loves him for his calm disposition, logical mindset and sophistication of thoughts and, slightly, sloppy tone in relation to opponents ... I would, in his place (Ishchenko), long ago he switched to a roar, would break the thought process in his old man’s head and in the stupid turnips he pounded ... I’m a diplomat and a participant in discussions ...! Especially, with puppies ...
    1. -12
      9 August 2016 19: 06
      The author himself said -
      lack of ideology is also ideology
      .

      Ideology is akin to religion. Only in religion do you believe in the doctrine of the life of a deity. And in ideology, you believe in a set of ideas. And just as there is no religion that would suit everyone, that will not be a universal ideology.
      Establishing a state ideology is like baptizing the entire population of a country.

      Remembering the same Hitler, the concept of a higher race did not imply the extermination of everyone else. It was a completely peaceful ideology, which said that someone was simply genetically predisposed to lead others - and this is for the benefit of all mankind, including and those of the lower races. And people began to burn when a peaceful ideology became a state, and began to be planted by everyone - even those whom it did not suit.
      You should not make the same mistakes.
      Trying to decide for another person how he should live and what to believe is not much different from enslavement - even if done with the purest intentions.
      1. +1
        9 August 2016 19: 07
        Sorry, but you are in your comments, justify Nazism? A strange interpretation ....
        1. 0
          9 August 2016 19: 16
          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          but in your comment do you justify Nazism?

          Where?
          In my opinion, I clearly said that he went from a completely harmless concept. But when this concept was transferred to the level of mandatory state doctrine, in fact, pseudo-religion - Nazism and fascism appeared in all those manifestations that we know.
          1. +8
            9 August 2016 19: 26
            That is, in your opinion, there is nothing wrong with the idea of ​​national superiority, yes, a kind of complex of a white man ..
            In this case, we look at its implementation without Nazism, but in North America of the Wild West period, does it not remind anything?
            The same genocide, in relation to people by skin color, gender and tribe not suitable for the racially correct type of Anglo-Saxon.
            Oh, and not for nothing that the birthplace of Nazism, the stronghold of liberalism-England ...
            1. -1
              9 August 2016 19: 43
              That is, in your opinion, the idea of ​​national superiority is okay

              Imagine no. Any nationalist right-wing or ultra-right-wing party is based on such ideas.
              This is basically a completely normal feeling. I, as a white man, naturally sympathize more with white, but as a Russian I value Russians more - species evolution at the genetic level has programmed us like this.

              Are you rooting for our athletes at the Olympics? Yes - that means you are already a little nationalist.
              There is a difference between pride in one’s nation (nationalism) or country (patriotism) and between the desire to exterminate all other nations (Nazism) and enslave other countries (fascism).
              1. +6
                9 August 2016 19: 45
                Distort a few.
                1. +1
                  9 August 2016 20: 03
                  Hitler jerked. He replaced nationalism with Nazism in just a few years.
                  He came to power in an absolutely democratic way on nationalist slogans about great Germany.
                  Those who voted for him did not vote for the Auschwitz stove. Or for racial cleansing. Or for Jewish ghettos.
                  And how did that come about? State ideology in action ...
                  Moreover, Hitler probably sincerely believed that he was right, and his ideology was the only true one.
                  1. +5
                    9 August 2016 20: 08
                    What Hitler has done is known, your example of sports - archers-Tuvinian, Russian and Ukrainian - how can I root for them according to the cut of eyes, length of nose, nationality, or all the same because they are citizens of my country? Where is nationalism when it pure kind of patriotism.
                    What Hitler advocated is spelled out in his Talmud, Mein Kampf is called ..
                    1. 0
                      9 August 2016 20: 49
                      How can I root for them according to the cut of my eyes, the length of my nose, nationality, or all the same because they are citizens of my country?

                      Well, you yourself begin to divide people.
                      Hitler divided by race, and you divide by state.
                      Someone can continue this ideology and say "and since our state is the best, but that little one constantly does nasty things to us, then we need to destroy it and show our strength. And in general, Ukraine (or another state) will go to Usa."
                      This is a simple example of how your good ideology turns into a bad one, especially if it is planted at the state level.
                      Hitler did roughly the same thing - returning to our debate that I supposedly justify Nazism.

                      Where is nationalism when it is a pure form of patriotism.

                      And these are extremely close concepts. Any nationalist is a patriot by definition.

                      You just don't have to confuse nationalism and Nazism. The same "Russian world" is an idea based on nationalism in a broad sense. But you won't say now that all Russians (and a bunch of other nationalities who consider themselves Russians) are guilty of something and are already half fascists?
                      1. +6
                        9 August 2016 21: 08
                        You distort again.

                        Any nationalist, by definition, a patriot, you yourself came up with?
                        In this case, the patriots of which, Russian nationalists, fighting in the Donbass on the side of the Kiev Nazi essentially Junta?
                        Hitler divided according to racial .. yeah, and so I began to state, do not explain your undoubtedly wise idea?

                        Judging by your remark, Ukraine by its mustache is a good ideology, but the fools perverted it, so you justify Nazism, because it turns out that way.
                        The idea of ​​the Russian world is not based on nationalism, it is based on the principle of coexistence in a single state of the peoples who accept and support the state-forming people, around which the State is built and is able to protect each of the peoples inhabiting it.
                        This is a permanent principle of building a Russian state, in contrast to Western attempts to build a Naglo-Saxon or Hispanic world-price is known in this and in another case — the GENOCID is conquered.

                        Worse, you do not understand what you are writing about, voluntarily or not, but you justify Hitler that in our country, and not only in our country, it is a little reprehensible, but also directly criminal.
                      2. 0
                        9 August 2016 21: 49
                        Did you come up with this yourself?

                        And you think: The Nationalist loves his nation and its achievements. The state is the quintessence of national dignity. This is the fundamental stone of the nation, something without which the nation ceases to exist (except in the form of gypsies). If a nationalist does not like his state as part of his nation, he is not a nationalist. It's like a man who hates racism and blacks from a joke.

                        In this case, the patriots of which, Russian nationalists, fighting in the Donbass on the side of the Kiev Nazi essentially Junta?

                        How what? Ukraine - and they become Ukrainian nationalists automatically, regardless of what they call themselves. And then they get Ukrainian passports and finally draw up their status.

                        but the fools perverted it, so you justify Nazism, because it turns out.

                        You either do not understand, or do not read what I am writing, or troll.
                        "Any nationalist right-wing or ultra-right party is based on similar ideas."
                        "He came to power in an absolutely democratic way on the nationalist slogans about a great Germany."
                        "do not confuse nationalism and Nazism."
                        Here are my quotes from previous posts. If you do not understand the difference between nationalism or Nazism, but don’t take my word for it - google the definitions of these words. I can only shrug my hands from powerlessness.
                        Worse, you do not understand what you are writing about, voluntarily or not, but you justify Hitler that in our country, and not only in our country, it is a little reprehensible, but also directly criminal.

                        Hitler’s justification was already seen somewhere ...
                        If you find a quote where I justify it, you can send it to court.

                        in a single state, the peoples receiving and supporting the state-forming people around whom the State is being built and assembled

                        Those. superiority of one nation over others? National segregation? Now are you justifying Nazism?
                        Or, maybe we all agree that this is nationalism, and there is nothing wrong with that?
                      3. +3
                        9 August 2016 23: 22
                        Quote: Darkmor
                        The nationalist loves his nation and its achievements.

                        A nationalist loves his nationality, splitting up so nation of multinational state-va. split in Ukraine is a good illustration. nationalism in Russia will lead to specific princedoms, civil strife. It was not a time, why do we need an old rake?
                      4. 0
                        10 August 2016 10: 27
                        Quote: IvanIvanov
                        Quote: Darkmor
                        The nationalist loves his nation and its achievements.

                        A nationalist loves his nationality, splitting up so nation of multinational state-va. split in Ukraine is a good illustration. nationalism in Russia will lead to specific princedoms, civil strife. It was not a time, why do we need an old rake?

                        Then you need to make concessions from the center, not shout "Russia for the Russians", but, on the contrary, tie different peoples into a single whole, mainly mentally
                      5. +3
                        9 August 2016 23: 23
                        The concept of identity of each nationalistic ideology usually contains three fundamental aspects.

                        Firstly, it determines who is a member of the nation (nation-co-citizenship and ethnonation).

                        Secondly, the ideologists of nationalism seek to determine the “original” territorial borders of the nation either on the principle of “one state - one nation” (which means, without including regions where other nations make up the majority), or, according to the imperial vision of the nation, with the inclusion of lands, inhabited by other peoples.

                        Thirdly, nationalist ideology indicates which political, social, economic and cultural institutions are most suitable for a particular nation.

                        The combination of these three types of attitudes determines the nature of this nationalist ideology: it can be imperial and non-imperial, democratic or authoritarian, liberal or conservative, radically left or radically right.

                        WHAT nationalism will we bring up in Russia-Chukchi, Nenets, Jews or Buryats? Ossetians, Kalmyks, Koreans or Tabasarans?
                      6. +2
                        9 August 2016 23: 30
                        Quote: Darkmor
                        "Do not confuse nationalism and Nazism."

                        Here is a definition of what you stand for:
                        Nationalism
                        (from lat. natio - nation, people) - an ideology based on the promotion of national exclusivity and national superiority, as well as politics that implements a nationalist ideology. Nationalism can be expressed in incitement of national hatred and confrontation both between the peoples of different countries, and within the same country between representatives of different nations and ethnic groups.
                        International law classifies the ideology and politics of nationalism as a political crime, consisting in violation of human rights.

                        http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/politology/120/Национализм
                        Contest please?
                      7. -4
                        10 August 2016 07: 51
                        WHAT nationalism will we bring up in Russia-Chukchi, Nenets, Jews or Buryats?

                        None.
                        Because in my first post I said that I am against the state ideology. He even gave an example, where the nationalist ideology quickly became Nazi ... because of which (judging by the minuses of the post) a lot of people yelled "yes he supports Nazism, atatha him" and this whole dialogue between us began.

                        International law classifies the ideology and politics of nationalism as a political crime

                        The ban on the geyparad in Moscow is also considered by international law to be a political crime and a violation of human rights.
                        And our legislation believes that the promotion of homosexuality among children is a criminal offense - in which it directly conflicts with international.

                        Now find a specific international law with a specific rule of law, providing for some kind of punishment for nationalist (not Nazi or fascist) parties, or at least their prohibition.
                        You won’t find it, because what you referred to is a dummy. These dummies are very fond of reproaching us, representing Russia as a backward state where even the norms of international law are not a decree. Yes, not a decree - does it upset you personally?
                        If so - then you will be in the camp of our liberals.
                        If not, then do not refer to any international laws, since we ourselves do not comply with them.
                        Contest please?

                        Is it enough?

                        Well, here's a real example for you: the National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD) (German: Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands NPD)
                        Do you think the "democratic" in their name influences anything?
                        The National Democrats in their campaign materials pointed out that under the motto of a "multicultural society" leftist ideologists are trying to change the character of the German people and turn Germany into a multinational state. The "multicultural" experiment is rejected by the majority of Germans and it is necessary to organize national resistance against it. Calling itself "the only national opposition party," the NDPD also advocates depriving all foreigners of the right to vote and opposing the introduction of dual citizenship.

                        There is no smell of democracy here, pure nationalism. Nevertheless, it is an active party in a country where the most severe punishments for the propaganda of Nazism. And in most EU countries there are active nationalist parties with similar views.
                      8. +1
                        10 August 2016 17: 21
                        Darkmor RU Yesterday,
                        "do not confuse nationalism and Nazism"Let's not.
                        Nationalism (French nationalisme) is an ideology and a policy direction, the fundamental principle of which is the thesis of the value of a nation as the highest form of social unity, its primacy in the state-building process. As a political movement, nationalism seeks to uphold the interests of a certain national community in relations with state power.
                        Nazism is more aggressive, its plans include the wide distribution of one biological group, which supposedly has superiority over the rest. The ethnic perfection of one people gives them the “right” to oppress others, even to the point of their complete destruction.
                        "The nationalist loves his nation and its achievements. The state is the quintessence of national dignity. It is the fundamental stone of the nation, something without which the nation ceases to exist (except in the form of the gypsies)."
                        Loves the nation yes, achievements yes. But every nationalist hates his state, if it is not mono-ethnic. Do not know why? Because the state is created by all nations. Should a nationalist love another thing besides his own? Dismiss Therefore, nationalism, including Russian, the destroyer of the state of Russia.
                        And about gypsies in vain. Indians in the USA are a nation without their own angle. And how many such nations without a state will still appear.
                      9. 0
                        10 August 2016 10: 25
                        Quote: The Bloodthirster
                        In this case, the patriots of which, Russian nationalists, fighting in the Donbass on the side of the Kiev Nazi essentially Junta?

                        They are supporters of an alternative way of development of the state, not the best, but not the worst
                        Quote: The Bloodthirster
                        Judging by your remark, Ukraine is over a mustache — a good ideology, but its fools have perverted

                        Exactly. Those who really love Ukraine have long been calling for a compromise between Ukraine and ORLDLO, while being the screamers of the slogan you mentioned
                        Quote: The Bloodthirster
                        The idea of ​​the Russian world is not based on nationalism, it is based on the principle of coexistence in a single state of the peoples who accept and support the state-forming people, around which the State is built and is able to protect each of the peoples inhabiting it.

                        Founded. The majority of supporters of the Republic of Moldova believe that the three key components - Russia, Ukraine and Belarus - are one and the same people, which can be united not on an equal basis, but only under the auspices of Russia. The superiority of one nation, nationalism
                        Quote: The Bloodthirster
                        This is a permanent principle of building a Russian state, in contrast to Western attempts to build a Naglo-Saxon or Hispanic world-price is known in this and in another case — the GENOCID is conquered.

                        What really shy, you can remember how Ivan the Terrible conquered the lands of Siberia and the Far East
                      10. +1
                        10 August 2016 10: 36
                        Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
                        They are supporters of an alternative way of development of the state, not the best, but not the worst

                        That is, in your opinion, the Bandera version of Nazism is not bad? And why is this bloody version of Nazism better than Hitler's?
                        Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
                        Exactly. Those who really love Ukraine have long been calling for a compromise between Ukraine and ORLDLO, while being the screamers of the slogan you mentioned

                        What is ORLDLO is not clear, but there will be no compromise between the Nazi gang and Ukraine as a whole.
                        Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
                        Founded. The majority of supporters of the Republic of Moldova believe that the three key components - Russia, Ukraine and Belarus - are one and the same people, which can be united not on an equal basis, but only under the auspices of Russia. The superiority of one nation, nationalism

                        This is your interpretation, not based on reality. The fact that Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, are the branches of one people, is not a fact refutable despite the throwing of all kinds of Grushevsky and other directly fecal authors of varying degrees of Nazi dirt.
                        Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
                        What really shy, you can remember how Ivan the Terrible conquered the lands of Siberia and the Far East

                        And there is no reason to be shy, just look at the result and compare the development of South America by the Spaniards and North America by the Naglosaks, to see the obvious difference — the peoples of Siberia and the Far East in Russia, equal among equals, the peoples who fell under the control of the Spaniards or the British, were partially destroyed, partially reduced to the level of the third-grade population.
                        So your exercises to justify the Nazis of the Bandera Junta here, with attempts at Russia to cast a shadow as a country prone to extermination of peoples, are unlikely to find sympathy.
                    2. 0
                      10 August 2016 10: 33
                      Nationalism is partiotism. Two words, one Greek, the second Latin, the translation of these words is absolutely identical. Another question is what is the meaning of the authors in these words.
                      1. +1
                        10 August 2016 16: 20
                        Quote: Gorinich
                        Nationalism is partiotism. Two words, one Greek, the second Latin, the translation of these words is absolutely identical. Another question is what is the meaning of the authors in these words.

                        And why rave, for you that the nation, that the motherland is one hell? Hence the meaning.
                        B. Strugatsky: "patriatism is love for your people, nationalism is rejection of other peoples. Just for God's sake, do not confuse!"
                      2. 0
                        10 August 2016 17: 19
                        Stupidly re-read what is written, then comment. If it does not help, look at the translation of words in DICTIONARIES.
              2. +4
                9 August 2016 23: 19
                Quote: Darkmor
                the difference between pride in your nation (nationalism) or country (patriotism)

                You are confusing concepts. "National pride" and "nationalism" are not the same thing. Perhaps due to a misunderstanding of this difference, the Germans followed Hitler at the beginning of his reign. And you run the risk of going there too.
          2. +2
            10 August 2016 00: 09
            Quote: Darkmor
            he went from a completely harmless concept
            Wouldn't you be offended at all if, purely conceptually, under the 2nd, or even the 3rd grade of people let you down? The state ideology should not prescribe who to believe in what, but it should limit the propaganda of alien ideologies and the corresponding public manifestations. If the ideologies of European countries were humane, then Hitler would have served from 33 to 45 in a cell with his "harmless concept." But European liberalism is also an ideology calling for the prohibition of all other ideologies, justifying the outbreak of wars where, in their opinion, freedom is lacking; this liberalism allowed them to be very tolerant of Adik's ideas and actions, as long as there was hope of using him to their advantage. And even pragmatism should be specifically ideologically framed as an ideology of utility, so that the benefit is not calculated only in dollars, but limited to public recognition of utility.
            1. 0
              10 August 2016 08: 23
              You are confusing concepts. "National pride" and "nationalism"

              I do not confuse anything - Nationalism includes national pride, and that, in turn, is an element of nationalism. Neither one makes you a Nazi, does not grow a mustache for you, and does not make you go to kill Jews.
              And you risk going in there too.

              I believe that you need to know what Nazism is and how it differs from nationalism and patriotism, and not shy away from the term - just to avoid mistakes of the past.
              Because those who do not see the difference are just the most susceptible to error.
              There was a German film "Experiment 2: The Wave", based on real events in one of the American schools in the 70s.
              There, the teacher, wanting to demonstrate to children the behavior of citizens of the 3rd Reich, set up a social experiment on the class. First, he gave them a form of nationalism within the classroom and school (our class is the best, you deserve the best, etc.), and then transferred it to Nazism (after school you should occupy high posts, spread our ideology, destroy opponents, change the world etc.). And the children who at the beginning of the experiment believed that they, in the modern world with their knowledge, would never become Nazis, very easily accepted the imposed ideology.

              You will not be offended at all if you are purely conceptually under the 2nd, and even the 3rd grade people let down?

              Of course it's a shame. Therefore, Hitler began to destroy everyone who was "offended" by his new ideology, when he began to let people down under the 2-3rd grade not conceptually in his head, but really, with the help of the state apparatus and the SS.
              State ideology should not prescribe whom to believe in, but it should limit propaganda

              With good intentions, the road to hell is lined. Today it restricts propaganda, tomorrow it begins to instill nationalist views (because it is easier to limit propaganda). And the day after tomorrow you burn the dissent (because they may be subject to hostile propaganda).
              with its "harmless concept"

              No need to misinterpret my words - I said that the concept was harmless only at the beginning. Nazism, which emerged from these ideas later, will not be called harmless.
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          10 August 2016 10: 12
          Quote: The Bloodthirster
          Sorry, but you are in your comments, justify Nazism? A strange interpretation ....

          There is such a moment:
          You should not make the same mistakes.
      2. +2
        9 August 2016 20: 26
        In general, the theme of ideology is inseparable from an established society. Any society of people is guided by one or another paradigm of ideology has the ability to exist. Another question, under the system of globalization, the idea of ​​liberalizing society in the given parameters, gives the effect of complete control over society. Homo relationships give full birth control, plus the "news" of the crossing of the human genome with animals!?!?! Hello clean yard, well controlled semi-subhuman herd.
      3. +2
        9 August 2016 23: 08
        Quote: Darkmor
        how should he live and what to believe

        But what about upbringing? it is precisely about how to live and what to believe, equalization of any values ​​is good postmodernism for science, but in the social sphere it can easily lead to fascism. Good-bad / values ​​/ mission guidelines are needed by any community, otherwise why is it together, where are they going? no one objects to the mission in corporations, why doesn’t the state need it? Is liberalism not an ideology? what else .. essentially asserting the right of the strong.
      4. 0
        10 August 2016 08: 40
        The division into friends and foes is inevitable, although the criteria are always different. Each of us writes someone to friends, mates, and we won’t start drinking vodka with others, just as we won’t make us like them. We do not like the Balts - well, let them, we, too. You can’t make love, leave - and let ...
      5. 0
        11 August 2016 01: 23
        Darkmor

        You are right.

        The problem is that these observers, the author of the article, at least for sure, do not understand what ideology is.

        For some reason, no one can give an exact definition of the word ideology. Everyone is trying to operate on the concept. Hence a lot of disagreement.

        Ideology is a changed morality.

        Religion is power gained through moral control.

        Morality is a system of understanding and relationships in society. It is formed by the external environment. It cannot act as a state law since administrative responsibility in violation of morality is extremely low.

        Thus, in order to govern the state, the following scheme is needed.

        Normal state. Morality, morality, law, state.

        A sick state in which recovery is needed. Morality, ideology, morality, law, state.

        Ideology is a problem. Since the life time of ideology is not very significant. Ideology is decomposed, as it is artificially created.

        Therefore, in a state with strong systemic power, ideologies should be avoided.

        This is a terrible double-edged weapon.

        Therefore, it makes sense to take the position of Rostislav Ishchenko.
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          11 August 2016 01: 50
          I read the article Rostislav Ishchenko.

          There is common sense. But there is a huge system error.

          Ideology does not tolerate alternatives.

          You cannot bring together in one room members of a sect of the same ideology and give them the opportunity to reason. All who accepted the ideology do not have the right to reason about the alternative.

          In an ideological state there are no other ideologies. Only one. There can be no others. Either a communist or a liberal. The state serves only one ideology.

          This is the system error of Rostislav. With full respect to him.

          Once again, ideology is a changed morality, forcibly. Or reduced to awareness.
    2. +3
      9 August 2016 19: 12
      This is not to the author
      How many do not fill in ears, 1,2,3 ... People need a result.
      And the Ukrainians wanted him here and now!
      The error came out. The path to the stars lies through thorns, or through w .., or through war, but still through w ..
      1. +2
        9 August 2016 19: 55
        Quote: hirurg
        This is not to the author
        How many do not fill in ears, 1,2,3 ... People need a result.
        And the Ukrainians wanted him here and now!
        The error came out. The path to the stars lies through thorns, or through w .., or through war, but still through w ..


        The brains of the Ukrainians were washed specifically. We thought they would sign all the papers, leave Russia and their dreams will come true. They will have salaries of 2000 euros and pensions of 1000. In Estonia they also promised "we will be in the top five, in terms of the economy in the EU." We ended up in the fifth point.
        1. +9
          9 August 2016 21: 21
          and the second group includes hate ideologies, for example, Marxism like class hatred


          Since when did Marxism become an ideology? This is science. The real one. And the portrait of Marx is said to be hanging in some English university. Well, try, if not write, then at least read Das Kapital. Kritik der politischen Ökonomie

          Chemistry can be called ideology, only science she will not cease to be.
          1. -3
            9 August 2016 21: 30
            Quote: dauria
            and the second group includes hate ideologies, for example, Marxism like class hatred


            Since when did Marxism become an ideology? This is science. The real one. And the portrait of Marx is said to be hanging in some English university. Well, try, if not write, then at least read Das Kapital. Kritik der politischen Ökonomie

            Chemistry can be called ideology, only science she will not cease to be.

            Where is Marx science? with something missed in this life, no?
            1. +3
              9 August 2016 21: 32
              It turns out yes, they missed, not a little, not understanding, not accepting and criticizing, while the very West made conclusions for itself and brought down our country, we don’t need socialism to cry out like a mock scream.
            2. +5
              9 August 2016 23: 32
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Where is Marx science? with something missed in this life, no?

              Judging by the fact that it raised a question for you - yes, Roman, we missed it ..
              Welcome hi
            3. +1
              10 August 2016 10: 54
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Where is Marx science? with something missed in this life, no?

              I completely agree, a typical ideological teaching, based on supposedly scientific postulates.
          2. +1
            10 August 2016 08: 24
            Quote: dauria
            This is science. The real one.
            Does Marxism already have scientific discoveries? Will you name one with confidence?
            1. 0
              10 August 2016 09: 34
              Quote: Stanislav
              Does Marxism already have scientific discoveries? Will you name one with confidence?


              I also do not agree that Marxism can be singled out as a separate area of ​​scientific knowledge, but I also disagree with your comment.
              1) What is a discovery for you? Where is the border to which the event has not yet opened, and after which - already yes?
              2) There is such a number of social disciplines - philosophy, sociology, economics, jurisprudence and other-other. Is this a science?
              3) If the answer to question 2 is "yes", then name the events in them that fall under the category of question 1?
              1. 0
                11 August 2016 22: 29
                In order not to flood, I will say this: Marxism is a methodology of social change. Marxism uses various sciences as an ideology - the ideological preparation of the mass consciousness of people for projected changes in society. But if science is not suitable for Marxists for ideological reasons, so much the worse for science.
            2. 0
              10 August 2016 09: 40
              Without knowing the subject, why the big words?
              Study
              http://dzarasov.ru/pochemu-marksizm
    3. +3
      9 August 2016 22: 06
      Quote: ALABAY45
      But Rostislav Ishchenko, Papayani, it would be better not to touch! I respect Rostislav ... And yet: my wife loves him for his calm disposition, logical mindset and sophistication of thoughts and, slightly, sloppy tone in relation to opponents ...

      "Don't touch! I respect Rostislav, and my wife also loves him" - neither add nor subtract.))) I also respect Ishchenko, but if he starts talking nonsense, I don't agree with him. Here the author of the article is right. But he does not understand the essence either. Eternal and never harming its children "ideology" - the Wisdom of the Slavic Ancestors. But it is not easy to learn it, too many myths and lies, and often outright falsification in conjunction with the destruction of documents, hide the truth from us. Who wants to know and appreciate it - he seeks and thinks ...
      1. +1
        9 August 2016 23: 03
        ava09 (5) Today, 22:06 p.m. ↑
        Wisdom of the Slavic Ancestors. But it’s not easy to know her, too many myths and lies, and often outright falsification, together with the destruction of documents, hide the truth from us. Who wants to know and appreciate - he seeks and thinks ...

        This is what is called "Svidomost" - to imagine oneself initiated into some "secrets" hidden from the rest.
        1. +3
          9 August 2016 23: 45
          Quote: Freeman
          This is what is called "Svidomost" - to imagine oneself initiated into some "secrets" hidden from the rest.

          And you look for information about pre-Christian Russia. Do you get a lot? And no details, except for general phrases, such as "they lived in darkness, professed paganism, and were generally useless, until the arrival of the Byzantine priests!" And so they lived somehow for several thousand years, for a minute!
          Information about the pre-Christian period does not suit the ROC - and not only: the less we know about the glorious past of Ancient Russia - the better for those who want to ruin Russia.
          1. 0
            10 August 2016 00: 48
            avia1991 (5) RU Yesterday, 23:45 PM
            ... And you look for information about pre-Christian Russia. How much will you dig?


            Here I am about the same thing that there is no reliable information. And when she is not there, then it begins - "they hide the truth from us, but we know that."
            So where do these "carriers of true knowledge" come from? Is it "all, through one" hereditary wise men? Yes
          2. +1
            10 August 2016 09: 07
            Quote: avia1991
            And you look for information about pre-Christian Russia. How much will you dig?
            Powerful! Similarly, nmv, proto-ukry also argue: "Do you look for pre-Russian information ... no? The curses have hidden the information for several thousand years." How they "dug the sea", etc. The system works flawlessly: insert other ethnonyms into this argument, get the status of a "conscious" Russian, Ukrainian, Chukchi, etc. and teach the "irresponsible" with vivid stories about the "glorious past."
            1. 0
              18 August 2016 21: 46
              Quote: Stanislav
              get the status of a "conscious" Russian, Ukrainian, Chukchi, etc. and teach the "irresponsible" with vivid stories about the "glorious past."

              Well, tell me: WHERE in my commentary the topic raised by you is raised ?!
              This is not about this at all, and not about the superiority of pre-Christian Rus over Orthodox! The fact is that TA Rus for a millennium lived without Christianity - and this is not a reason to consider our ancestors as barbarians, and Christian priests as saviors! However, the History is presented to us as if there were no former Russians at all - the Neanderthals walked straight and uncouth, and only thanks to the adoption of the Christian faith did they turn into normal people!
        2. +1
          10 August 2016 08: 40
          Quote: Freeman
          "Svidomo" - to imagine oneself initiated into some "secrets" hidden from the rest
          Add: hidden in open sources wassat The funny thing is that this is a whole class of pseudo-scientific mules playing on the complexes of poorly educated people: you do not need to read volumes of books and understand the wild complexity; read a little book and you can make fun of those who have devoted their whole life to the study of this science, teaching these loxov how "really" is there.
    4. +4
      9 August 2016 23: 14
      Quote: ALABAY45
      I don’t know who this author is, Ph.D. and publicist!

      Rostislav Ishchenko once too few people knew. This is not an argument. And the fact that your wife likes him is even more so.
      Have you bothered to read the article? What specifically do not agree with? For example, I also don’t agree on everything - especially with the ending - but the fact that Ideology is corrupted from the system of raising children and youth is a fact.
      And Ishchenko .. in the last year he somehow imperceptibly turned into a polished "pro-Kremlin" political scientist .. in a NOT the best sense. So that now his articles really have something to "pick".
    5. +1
      10 August 2016 08: 07
      The author should not forget that all the ideological chaos on the wreckage of the USSR was created by former Soviet ideological workers who, as they did not puff up, could not generate anything better than Marxism in its Stalinist interpretation. They could not, in due time, raise the intellectual level of ideological doctrine, brought it to the point of absurdity with their verbiage, and did not come up with anything better than to drown everything in lies and verbal diarrhea. The peak of this bacchanalia was a concept outside of an ideological society. In the West, too, officially, there is no ideology. It is there dissolved in society and actually has dimensions much larger than the USSR could have imagined. Russia is trying to create something similar now, bearing in mind the brutal defeat of Soviet ideology.
    6. +1
      10 August 2016 10: 02
      Ishchenko, a fugitive from Ukraine, who served the oligarchic interests of the Party of Regions, now he is a popular speaker of the so-called party of the United Russia. Well, what can you hear from this so-called political scientist, the complete lack of his own thoughts and manuals of Surkov.
  2. +6
    9 August 2016 18: 42
    "The attitude to ideology as something unnecessary, harmful and splitting society has become popular among the Russian intellectual elites."

    If a society does not consist of pine hemp, then it always has an ideology that is explicitly expressed or hidden. Be the best, equality, the nation is primary, tasty to eat - our everything, no matter what, but it is.

    "Indeed, there are obvious ideologies of 'evil' (for example, Nazism or Fascism)"

    Without propagating Nazism or fascism, these ideologies are evil to one and declare good for others (in an ugly form, but still, otherwise they would not be so popular).

    "Misconception # 6. Liberals are a powerful political force with which it is better not to conflict."

    Hmm. what Does anyone on VO have such a fallacy? smile
    1. +4
      9 August 2016 19: 05
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "Misconception # 6. Liberals are a powerful political force with which it is better not to conflict."

      Hm. what Does anyone in VO have such a fallacy? smile

      I have such a mistake! Shoot them a little bit ... No other way! Red-haired impudent, just ....
      1. +3
        9 August 2016 21: 31
        Quote: Zhiglov
        Shoot them a little bit ...

        Yeah, a little bit, no, Meehan, you need to keep you away from the gunshot what
        (automatic, damn it, gamble request )
    2. +3
      9 August 2016 19: 12
      A colleague a little higher, that gave off a magical pro-peace ideology of the superiority of some over others .. but I’m not tempted to see and forgot to add that Nazism is the highest form of manifestation of LIBERALISM and some should not confuse liberalism as a teaching of the 18th and even 19th centuries and what has grown As a result, since 30 years in Germany. And now in the same States, where a certain departing Papuan cried out, America is above all ..
      Remember, "I release you from the chimera of conscience," remind who said?
      Here it is, the quintessence of liberalism is free from everything, from morality, conscience, restrictions of a different kind-Nazism
  3. +15
    9 August 2016 18: 47
    Omitting a lot of clever words, in the resulting bottom line we have: we need ideology. And here I completely agree with the author. In the 90s, we abandoned a single socialist ideological setting and another one immediately burst into the resulting vacuum - the Western, American, if you like, where everything is based on net income in dollars and various methods of increasing it (income). On the resulting conflict of old and new ideologies, with imperfect laws and the lack of readiness of society to resist "new thinking", we got our notorious "dashing 90s". Without a single state ideological setting, we will not have a future, new generations.
  4. +5
    9 August 2016 18: 49
    Misconception # 6. Liberals are a powerful political force with which it is best not to conflict. "

    Hm. what Does anyone in VO have such a fallacy? smile

    I agree that it is better not to conflict with them ...... blah blah blah one.
    Suitcase, train station, Europe ....... an alternative is the construction of a bridge from Sakhalin to the mainland ...... at their expense and their physical strength

    But seriously, there is nothing wrong with liberalism, but our liberals are far from this ...... donkey will never become a mustang
    1. +2
      9 August 2016 22: 03
      there is nothing wrong with liberalism

      In theory, liberalism is a kind of constructive opposition, practical criticism, protection from distortions, but on the territory of the former USSR it is almost entirely a back-up of Western "democracies" (where they have already forgotten what it is). In my opinion, one can be critical, but in moments dangerous for society, everyone should unite, and common sense suggests this, in the end. We have total betrayal ...
    2. +2
      10 August 2016 10: 08
      Quote: arane
      our liberals are far from this.
      Today, our liberals without quotes can be considered only those who see and understand what exactly are the sources of economic, political, legal and other forms of lack of freedom for our entire society and try to neutralize these sources as much as possible.
  5. 0
    9 August 2016 18: 49
    Ishchenko ... at best - is mistaken, and - for the very tomatoes!

    ".. Here are all of them,
    let's go for a drive!
    Memorial service will be
    ahead! .. "(c) V.S.V.
  6. +5
    9 August 2016 18: 50
    What a mess from the empire, idea, ideology and state.
  7. +4
    9 August 2016 18: 50
    Truth number one-ideology should be an integral part of the existence of any state.
  8. 0
    9 August 2016 18: 54
    A little fix and it will be right. It is necessary to restore the empire and its ideology. To do this, we need the contribution of each compatriot to the good of the Fatherland and the Russian state is confidently restoring its former strength!
  9. +1
    9 August 2016 19: 01
    In the body, everything is subject to the central nervous system, which receives and rules through the peripheral nervous system, there are resources, protective organs and systems. That is, everything is built on the principle of feedback with maximum energy savings. The functioning of such a biological machine has specific goals, strengthening itself and optimizing the environment. Any breakdown threatens the safety of the system as a whole.
    What happens when this system becomes ill does not need to be explained.
    The system succumbed to liberal trends, such as not having to work so much, the flow of materials for restoration is decreasing. Well, if, as in Banderkraine, the system got out of control of the head, you see for yourself.
    I think that the family should be the basis of the national idea. Everything related to the creation and existence of a family, its everyday worries and work, education, the pursuit of professional and moral excellence, the culture of family and social relations, this should underlie the national ideology in domestic and foreign policy. I am not a philosopher or political scientist, my idea of ​​the national idea and state ideology is as follows.
    Ishchenko always read and listen with pleasure. The power of thought and the play of the mind simply delight him, and most importantly, he is always right. Respect Ishchenko. hi
  10. -1
    9 August 2016 19: 02
    The author asks rhetorical questions:
    "Who, pray tell, will teach a citizen, where is good and where is evil? On the basis of what criteria? What is moral, what is immoral? Whose historical interpretation of events to believe? What truth to inform schoolchildren and students? Is political and moral censorship necessary?"

    Meanwhile, the questions are not really rhetorical at all. Demagogic. Let's take a detailed look at these issues one at a time, and take the USSR as a practical example. After all, no one will argue with the fact that there was ideology in the USSR. So, let's begin:

    1. Who, ..., will teach a citizen where good is and where evil is?
    ANSWER: Mom and Dad. Was it not so in the USSR? Exactly.

    2. Based on what criteria?
    ANSWER: Based on your own picture of the world. Was it not so in the USSR? Exactly.

    3. What is moral, what is immoral?
    ANSWER: And again the same mentors - mother and father. Was it not so in the USSR? Exactly.

    4. Whose historical interpretation of events to believe?
    ANSWER: Question is unfit. Error in the formulation of the question.
    COMMENT: This is the first question, it would seem on the merits, on ideology. Indeed, over time, the interpretation of history changes. But this process is connected to a greater extent not with a change in ideology, but with the fact that humanity has long been more than Adam and Eve. Over time, t.s. the fruits of historical events sprout. Some of these events are generally forgotten. Well, who will now remember the names of the leading textile manufacturers? Yes, no one. But Stakhanov is still remembered. In general, the time lens greatly changes the vision of any story. But people do not need to teach the finished interpretation itself, but to teach them to analyze and interpret.


    5. What is the truth to convey to schoolchildren and students?
    ANSWER: see paragraph 4.

    6. Is political and moral censorship necessary?
    ANSWER: Political is not needed, but mom and dad teach moral example. And in the USSR it was just that.

    And in any other country, that’s the case. When a country wants to change something strongly in its citizens (well, of course, some specific people), then it (they, of course) are engaged in specific small people, occupying them with something other than mom and dad, and sometimes instead. Whether it be scouts, Hitler youth, all sorts of SKIDs or pioneers with the October Revolution. Why what ?! Even just kindergartens. Excuse me that the Hitler Youth dragged here, but the example is very revealing.
    1. +10
      9 August 2016 19: 20
      Quote: Shuttle
      Mother and father. Was it not so in the USSR?

      So, except for mom and dad, schools, universities, vocational and secondary special educational institutions, various circles, sections, and interest societies were engaged in this, to varying degrees. Now who? Mom and Dad. And that's all. Only mom and dad began to appear at home much less often: a lot of work is needed to feed, drink and get the children to the same school. But during their absence, the children, in fact, are left to themselves. Add to this the free Internet, bestiality in the form of "House-2" and the like on television, rampant drug addiction in the courtyards, not exterminated since the 90s "thug romance", do not forget about political instability and answer me the question: SO WHO DOES EDUCATION?
      1. 0
        10 August 2016 12: 17
        Quote: pilot8878
        Quote: Shuttle
        Mother and father. Was it not so in the USSR?

        So, except for mom and dad, schools, universities, vocational and secondary special educational institutions, various circles, sections, and interest societies were engaged in this, to varying degrees. Now who? Mom and Dad. And that's all. Only mom and dad began to appear at home much less often: a lot of work is needed to feed, drink and get the children to the same school. But during their absence, the children, in fact, are left to themselves. Add to this the free Internet, bestiality in the form of "House-2" and the like on television, rampant drug addiction in the courtyards, not exterminated since the 90s "thug romance", do not forget about political instability and answer me the question: SO WHO DOES EDUCATION?

        You confuse warm with soft. All those who directly feed are engaged in early education.
        What should mom do at work? What for does she need her if at home two or three small people are constantly growing? What about 4-5? It is clear that if 0-1, then mother has no time to educate them. So think about which family really brings up children, and which only brings them up.
        Throw the TV to the cormorants. This is an extra waste of electricity, time and nerves. Read books. Even electronic. The Internet is contraindicated for children. And do not sculpt anything about what is behind progress. Do not lag behind. If necessary, in a month or two they’ll catch up so that progress will remain behind.
    2. 0
      10 August 2016 08: 01
      Quote: Shuttle
      The author asks rhetorical questions:

      Meanwhile, the questions are not really rhetorical at all. Demagogic.

      1. Who, ..., will teach a citizen where good is and where evil is?
      ANSWER: Mom and Dad.

      2. Based on what criteria?
      ANSWER: Based on your own picture of the world. Was it not so in the USSR? Exactly.

      3. What is moral, what is immoral?
      ANSWER: And again the same mentors - mother and father. Was it not so in the USSR?

      In the USSR, there were a lot of examples of victory state ideology over "mom and dad"! Son (daughter) against father with mother; and "handed over" and "publicly exposed", etc., etc.! And not only in "civilian life" and in the first years of Soviet power - but up to the last days of the USSR, and even after its collapse! ... And even now - it has not abated! The conflict of generations, if cho - that's what it's called ... It's like in your family - without this conflict? ... exactly? ...
      ... I doubt it!
      ----------------
      The ideology of the state is not an insurance policy or a guarantee ... Although it is a unifying and guiding force for "moms and dads"! Because they - become the main conductors of "ideology" - if it is possible to avoid the "conflict of generations" (which is the essence - the influence of a different, sometimes alien and hostile ideology)!
  11. +3
    9 August 2016 19: 02
    "The first, quite calmly abandoned 'war communism' in favor of NEP '
    War communism is the existence of a country during its occupation and the capture of a large part of the country by enemies of power.
    When the war ended, and war communism was no longer needed. And how much the Bolsheviks were statesmen and patriots of Russia, in contrast to the enemies of the communists who seized the republics of the USSR in 1991.
    The Bolsheviks did not show off "everything that was done before us, all this is bad, wrong, all this must be destroyed, and we are all so effective of ourselves."
    They did not destroy anything in any industry of the country, but only developed and modernized, and arranged a transitional period of the NEP, when Russian and foreign capitalists were allowed to work.
    And the "ideology" of the enemies of the communists who seized the republics of the USSR is anti-Sovietism / Russophobia with a complex of "eternal victims".
    1. +3
      9 August 2016 19: 17
      Every patented anti-Soviet and anti-communist is always Russophobe.
      We take Amer-Brzezinski, a patented Polish American, vehemently Russophobic way of thinking.
      We take Albright, an old Czech Jewess, a purely Russophobic warehouse of character and action.
      We take another, Gozman, a patented Russian Jew who is vehemently Russophobic and spiteful towards the Union in general, Russia in particular and precisely against socialism, in addition to the ardent liberal.
    2. +4
      9 August 2016 19: 24
      Quote: tatra
      The Bolsheviks did not show off "everything that was done before us, all this is bad, wrong, all this must be destroyed, and we are all so effective of ourselves."

      "We will destroy the whole world of violence to the ground and then ..." Do not remind where these lines come from? Do not think bad, I am not with the aim of spitting at the Bolsheviks. Just to remind you that distorting and hushing up the facts, even with a good purpose, in the future will lead to discrediting the entire system built on this shaky foundation.
      1. +1
        9 August 2016 19: 28
        Quote: pilot8878
        "We will destroy the whole world of violence to the ground and then ..."

        The enemies of the communists are so funny. Either a line from a song, then a line from Blok's poems “we will stir up the world fire to the delight of all the bourgeoisie,” then the words of their beloved Sharikov about “take away and divide” into the Bolshevik ideology are recorded.
        1. 0
          9 August 2016 19: 33
          Quote: tatra
          The enemies of the communists are so funny.

          You are wrong - I am by no means an enemy of communism. Read my posts. I am correcting your initially incorrect installation. If you want, we can continue the discussion in private messages so as not to produce offtopic.
          1. +1
            9 August 2016 19: 36
            Quote: pilot8878
            You are wrong - I am by no means an enemy of communism.

            Yes, I understood, and I wrote specifically about the enemies of the Communists.
        2. +1
          9 August 2016 19: 50
          In fact, the Bolsheviks tried to do just that - to build a new world.
      2. +6
        9 August 2016 19: 49
        Quote: pilot8878
        "We will destroy the whole world of violence to the ground and then ..."

        Well, if you think about it, they sang "the world of VIOLENCE".
        1. 0
          10 August 2016 10: 31
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          if you think about it, they sang "the world of VIOLENCE"
          This meant not separate elements, but the general structure of the "old world", i.e. exactly "all this must be destroyed." In what way is this rhetoric and actions different from the rhetoric and actions of the reformers of the 90s? Only by the fact that there was armed resistance and a lot of blood, and here they strangled with "little blood", although there were probably no less victims of such a gradual suffocation.
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  12. -24
    9 August 2016 19: 03
    the main thing is that it was not decided to restore the Komunyak ideology, it was enough for everyone once.
    1. +7
      9 August 2016 19: 11
      Quote: Ololo
      the main thing is that it was not decided to restore the Komunyak ideology, it was enough for everyone once.

      Here you just shoot soon .... Do not mind!
      1. -16
        9 August 2016 19: 12
        close your mouth, you’ll scratch the furniture) you don’t have to shoot you, you yourself will die, like all komunyaki - from old age) ahah) is there enough pension for the funeral, or tossed?
        1. +6
          9 August 2016 19: 27
          Fu, what a blatant vile rudeness. Now they teach this in the bowels of the State Department? Guys lose their grip, they lose ...
          1. -17
            9 August 2016 19: 33
            all caps were not asked)
            1. +3
              9 August 2016 20: 29
              Will you give any arguments? Or just causeless insults? You do not worry much - it is now being treated very effectively. I can recommend a good doctor: I have a hospital not far from home. Even incognito can be saved.
  13. +3
    9 August 2016 19: 11
    Ideology is beneficial, if you follow one simple rule - when ideology is in conflict with the realities of life, then all the worse for ideology.
  14. +3
    9 August 2016 19: 21
    I studied such a subject in a Soviet university - "ideological struggle" laughing

    What is typical, we were then explained and proved that the Anglo-Saxons are the essence of the vile genetic garbage that suffers from paranoia and persecution mania, but, nevertheless, striving for world domination.
    1. +2
      9 August 2016 19: 52
      And when I sincerely wanted to become a communist at the University of Social Studies at the Regional Committee of the CPSU, I also studied relevant subjects. I am glad that the state began to pay more attention to active propaganda and counter-propaganda, personal development, access to sports, and the creation of a positive image of a person in uniform.
      I understand all the hocus-pocus tricks of the opponents of Russia and our liberals, but, alas, the youth, alas, is dirt-laden with ex-matzoh and laden. This is because they do not know the sources of funding for these rodents and insects, their lies seem to be new, different from the official.
      All the same, we need a program for the use of special services and sports veterans as lecturers for meetings with students, students, with production staffs at significant resonant events. hi ]
  15. +5
    9 August 2016 19: 23
    In Russia, at all times, one ideology was ... A strong state that unites peoples and creates! Expensive, though this "ideology" costs us, but we do not know how to live differently .. And with dirty fingers in our souls, we are nobody we will not allow poking around!
    It is useless gentlemen, we all know your little things for a long time ... soldier
  16. +2
    9 August 2016 19: 25
    as in 96. Putin and Russian capitalism or the "fifth column" and the United States. Choose a hard worker where you will be better ...
    1. +2
      9 August 2016 21: 33
      Quote: Nikolay82
      as in 96. Putin and Russian capitalism or the "fifth column" and the United States. Choose a hard worker where you will be better ...

      With the "fifth column" and the United States, it will definitely not be better.
      1. -2
        10 August 2016 04: 31
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Quote: Nikolay82
        as in 96. Putin and Russian capitalism or the "fifth column" and the United States. Choose a hard worker where you will be better ...

        With the "fifth column" and the United States, it will definitely not be better.

        In general, pessimism in your formulation of the question either-or.
        We do not have Putin and Russian capitalism in their pure form, but with the same words as the fifth column and the USA. So we do not see Russian capitalism and what its face we do not know. Of course it is believed that more human than now. Logically, like that.
  17. DPN
    +7
    9 August 2016 19: 31
    no ideology no country
  18. +1
    9 August 2016 19: 34
    Author Fyodor Papayani, Ph.D. in technical sciences, publicist, Donetsk, DPR
    Then I am a Spanish pilot. hi
  19. +2
    9 August 2016 19: 56
    "You, professor, it’s your will, have invented something awkward! It may be smart, but it’s painfully incomprehensible. They will make fun of you."
    Well expressed, right to the place, printed, you can say.
  20. +6
    9 August 2016 19: 57
    In my opinion, ideology is the skeleton of the state!
    it is ideology that determines the essence of the state ...
    what a person should be like. what should be the health care, education, industry, science and high school, the army in the end.
  21. +11
    9 August 2016 19: 58
    Ideology is a description of an invisible goal that justifies visible means.
    We have completely changed our life priorities. People now have a new faith, a new Gospel: “Take everything from life!” But with this approach, there is no future.
    1. +3
      9 August 2016 20: 42
      Quote: Berkut752
      Ideology is a description of an invisible goal that justifies visible means.
      We have completely changed our life priorities. People now have a new faith, a new Gospel: “Take everything from life!” But with this approach, there is no future.

      Well, we’ll shoot again and all things ..... Russia can cleanse itself of bugs and ticks! I hope this time without big blood ...
      1. +2
        9 August 2016 21: 10
        The one in the photo is correctly spelled through E. Gleb Zheglov.
      2. -1
        10 August 2016 05: 08
        Quote: Zhiglov
        Quote: Berkut752
        Ideology is a description of an invisible goal that justifies visible means.
        We have completely changed our life priorities. People now have a new faith, a new Gospel: “Take everything from life!” But with this approach, there is no future.

        Well, we’ll shoot again and all things ..... Russia can cleanse itself of bugs and ticks! I hope this time without big blood ...

        Hope for God, but don’t be a fan yourself.
        The blood will not be big, but huge. Liberasts with the bourgeoisie is a little 2-5% (did not count, but 10% they draw for themselves, for the sake of significance). In any civil war there are external participants. In our case, there will be more than enough of them: the whole world. From the EU with NATO and Ukraine, to the USA and Japan. And also ISIS. And also the PRC.
        As well as small-town nationalism, everyone will want to have their own kaganate-princedom.
        So this is not our way. Let Uncle Vova quietly take off, quietly transplant, quietly plant. And quickly only cats will be born.
        Yes, I will see the result, I will not see, but .... The realization that Russia will continue is worth a lot.
  22. +1
    9 August 2016 20: 57
    As I understand it, the search for ideology and a national idea continues. I suggest for a change, who did not read E. Satanovsky “Would you go ... Notes on the national idea” link: https://www.litmir.co/br/?b=208566&p=1
    Perhaps you will have new arguments in the discussions, and I will continue to read your comments with pleasure.
  23. +3
    9 August 2016 21: 24
    Ideology is always there.

    Here are some who think that "democracy"- this is a kind of political regime. In the classics it was so.

    But the fact is that for a long time there is no classics; democracy turned into ideology. Democracy is, in fact, the existence of the so-called free elections and the election of all the main government posts in general + there, all freedom of the media, the availability of information (publicity laughing ), civil society, etc.

    But modern democracy does not mean that at all; modern democracy, as an ideology, includes: feminism, drug addiction, juvenile justice, pederasty, ephtanasia, satanism, pornography, animal rights and other rubbish. But all this has nothing to do with either the election of officials or the freedom of elections in general!

    All these painful deviations from the natural order of things have nothing to do with the political regime. Classically, a country with free elections and criminal liability for sodomy is democratic! But the Anglo-Saxons will never recognize such a democracy, because they have a special anatomical structure - their pleasure centers are located around the anus. laughing laughing
  24. +4
    9 August 2016 21: 31
    Good evening.
    Substantiation of the conclusions, for example, Orthodoxy as the basis of the "correct" ideology is very controversial. In general, ideology, secular or religious, is an attribute, i.e. mandatory property of statehood. This is an axiom of the modern theory of the state.
    Therefore, the author is absolutely right that without ideology there can be no state. Ideology, national idea - this is what unites us into a state - into the Russian Empire.
    The so-called rejection of ideology, first of all, is the rejection of its sovereignty.
    Marketers and other liberals find it convenient to exalt the omnipotence and fairness of the "market" and "universal human values." The new "justice" justifies inequality, property stratification, rejection of the social functions of the state, and the formation of a consumer society.
    1. +3
      9 August 2016 21: 33
      Quote: Sergey Loskutov
      we are united in a state - in the Russian Empire.

      And who is the Emperor? Empires without emperors do not exist.
  25. +2
    9 August 2016 22: 43
    The ideology of the state should be mandatory.
    Having abandoned the ideology of Russia, it received permissiveness, moreover, incompatible with normal life. There is no equality of people before the law in the country, the country has lost its sovereignty, and the next step is the loss of statehood. They will simply destroy us if we do not turn the tide.
    Need to change the constitution. It is necessary to spell out the obligations of the state to the people.
    My ancestors worked on the earth, worked hard and well. They provided for the life of the family themselves.
    After the revolution, life changed, the opportunity to learn, and the next generation received an education, they became scientists, production managers, specialists of research institutes, authors and sailors. After the collapse of the USSR, their families returned to Russia. A new life began.
    And in this life today, the possibility of a normal life support for any citizen of the country has disappeared.
    There is not enough work in the country, salaries do not correspond to normal life support. You can’t allow a new revolution, you can’t let the country simply die out, replace it with other nations — this is our land.
    The state is obliged to ensure a normal life for its citizens, this duty must be enshrined in the constitution. There are no times when people settled around the country, plowed the land and completely provided for themselves.
    There are no Soviet times when every person had a job.
    And how should people live now, if there is no work, if land is sold, if the country's wealth is exported abroad and income remains there, if the people stockpiles accumulated in Soviet times were taken away, if earnings are low and rapidly depreciate, if the interest on loans is banks above the probable future profit?
    Under the slogan of democracy and freedom, the people were robbed and deprived of the right to a normal life.
    These issues should be decided by the state, and not be engaged in the search for ways to rob the population in favor of a small part of the people who rob the country and people. The liberal elite is engaged in the genocide of the Russian people, and they are talking directly about it. The same Chubais considers the extinction of millions of Russians normal, Gref rants on the forum that it’s easier for uneducated people to manage, and how much more evil do other marketers, dogs and gaydarichs and many other businessmen and officials carry? The state should be strong and independent, and the people should be able to earn a normal life, it’s enough to draw all the wealth out of the country, and torment people — everyone has the right to a decent life from birth.
    1. +5
      9 August 2016 22: 50
      What ideology can there be among the people who seized Russia in 1991, if immediately after the capture of Russia, they began to shrug off responsibility for it and the Russian one, starting with Yeltsin and the Gaidar-Chubais, whining that the country and the people were wrong, that " the communists are to blame for everything, "that since" the Bolsheviks destroyed the gene pool and the flower of the nation, the best, most hard-working, salt and sugar of the earth, "then nothing can be demanded from them, those who inherited Russia in 1991?
  26. +1
    10 August 2016 02: 40
    in order to adequately discuss such a concept as "ideology", all the more so in such a huge audience, one should determine with the same understanding of the meaning of this word. Ideology from the word idea. Ideology is a package of ideas, these are goals, a direction of activity, this is a question - what to do? Any business begins with this, especially the construction of a state. The geographical location itself dictates specific goals. How is it possible to build something without having a plan of the area without taking into account climatic conditions, etc. Ishchenko says it is possible. For comrades Ischenko there is a triad of concepts related to the oil: 1) Spirituality; 2) Philosophy; 3) Ideology; is located lower in the hierarchy than the state. But the state is only a derivative at the level of "result" First a thought, then a word, and only then, when all the previous points are implemented, is a deed (result)
  27. +1
    10 August 2016 07: 48
    Criticism of Ishchenko from the author in the case. But in conclusion, he began to write out a pretzel: "It doesn’t matter, it is important, it is important, it does not matter ...".
    As a result, not an empire, but a vinaigrette. Not the emperor, but impotent. He can love his own people, and the rest of the nations, of which there are more than a hundred?
    And love in Orthodoxy does not imply the arrangement of comfort, but punishment, instruction, order. "I love whom I punish!" Who will like such love (the idea of ​​freedom, equality, and b.l.da.stvo?), But this is what saves the unreasonable on their way to the kingdom of heaven. Human life is short, go and have time to figure out this vanity ..., but Orthodoxy says that here, on earth, life is only a test for the right to enter into another life, eternal life. And the ORTHODOX king has no other goal, task, duty and ministry, how to do everything possible so that his subjects with honor can withstand this difficult test of worldly vanity and its temptations, and achieve the desired goal! It is under this idea of ​​eternal life that the visible, material, state framework of the kingdom and empire is built. And already on it are attached peoples, nationalities, tribes of the kingdom, empire, and not just any horrible or whatever.
    You can’t take a ship taken in the author’s example to make one side wooden, another metal. Metal from sheets of duralumin, armor, tin, and even horseradish knows what, just because everyone needs to be pleased.
    You saw what trials our wars consciously and with great desire doom themselves in order to find and wear the maroon beret with honor. A nightmare, where the soldier’s moms look, where are the ombudsmen and police officers, and of course where are Putin and Shoigu looking? They are the kids! Duck here are not children, but the defenders of the Fatherland and the one who arranged them such tests is suitable for the Fathers of the Fatherland. Let this be a primitive, but very obvious example of the Orthodox state and the Orthodox king tsar, who can flog things not always obvious for the benefit, for the mind will delight the rod and cannot beast. And this is exactly what is required of the Orthodox. To be the image and likeness of God.
    Will everyone want to live in such a kingdom-state? Not! After all, not everyone needs a maroon beret, and most importantly, not everyone who wants to can pass the test and find it.
    But everyone wants to live, but in different ways ...
    This picture seems to be. A pile of precious stones - peoples who have and know their own worth. And the crown, the basis of which may even be iron, but of course silver is better, gold is even better. On this metal base ... each stone falls into its rightful place determined by the Creator according to the original idea, but how each of them mercilessly cut it before ... As a result, not a handful of pebbles and a piece of iron, but the crown of the Russian Empire, where every people flaunts in all its splendor its unique culture! Idyll..? Idea ... Ideology!
  28. +1
    10 August 2016 08: 51
    "Anyone can offend an artist ..." A political scientist too.

    Who is ready to die for ideology? Me not.
    For the Motherland is another matter!
  29. 0
    10 August 2016 09: 31
    The state ideology should be one - the rule of law and everyone is equal before the law. Otherwise, any initially good idea adopted by the state degenerates into a dogma, which leads to a witch hunt, terror, genocide and other undesirable consequences.
  30. 0
    10 August 2016 09: 49
    It can be taken as a completely wonderful phenomenon that the Orthodox Athos recently honored the Russian president as emperor. The only thing left is to restore the empire and its ideology

    Putin's emperors?
  31. +2
    10 August 2016 10: 45
    Softly makes you sleep hard. After the passage that Marxism is an ideology of hatred, you can end the reading.
  32. 0
    11 August 2016 10: 37
    Yes and Ishchenko has no misconceptions. The finished liberal. Well, smart, well, competent, well, he speaks smoothly. But a contra.

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