The failure of the coup orchestrated perfectly

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The failure of the coup orchestrated perfectly


The attempt of a military coup in Turkey, which failed in the night from 14 to 15 in July, ended in unprecedented bloodshed. Poor Mustafa Kemal Pasha Ataturk! In those days, he would have to turn over in his grave in a mausoleum after his name more than once.

WHAT'S IN A NAME

Having spent more than five years in Turkey in the 50s of the last century, I knew well that family names in Turkey were introduced with the squeak and even tooth gnashing of enemies and opponents of the Kemalian revolution. The example was largely shown by Mustafa Kemal Pasha, who acquired the name Atatürk, which means “father of the Turks”. His closest associate, General Ismet Pasha, deserved for military service the name of Inon by the name of a city in Western Anatolia, where he won one of the decisive victories over the enemy in 20-s.

Recep Erdoğan historical no victories. He got his surname from his father, a native of the Georgian Laz family, who could serve in the Turkish army most often as ordinary soldiers. Hence the surname - Erdogan, which means "born to be a soldier." But in life, his relationship with the army did not go well. Perhaps that is why he did not reach the title of Pasha and preferred to serve not in the army, but in politics, or rather, in the “Islamization of politics” and “politicization of Islam”. Erdogan headed the National Progress Party (PNP) he created, bypassing Ataturk's ban on the use of Islam for political purposes and the exploitation of religion by a state based on the principles of a secular state of "laicism."

There are many versions about who could be the initiator and organizer of the failed putsch in Turkey. One of them does not exclude Erdogan himself directly or indirectly. It was here that such a “gizmo” could spin, which turned out to be “stronger than Faust” and more terrible than “Goethe’s thousands of fantasies”.

The time for staging the performance with a coup in Turkey was quite appropriate. After the unprecedented bloodshed with great human sacrifices on the Cote d'Azur in Nice, who could be concerned with Turkey and Erdogan. Probably, all this could not be ignored by the instigators of the conspiracy. But his failure, too, can not but alarm. At least in my memory over the past five decades, at least five coups took place in Turkey, most often culminating in the coming to power of generals. The fifth attempt at such a rebellion ended in failure for the first time. This, too, in its own way inspires suspicion. If the threads of the conspiracy led to Erdogan himself, then he could well now claim the title of general Recep Pasha. However, the service in the army Erdogan preferred a political career. He has long been sympathetic to Islamists associated with the Muslim Brotherhood or the Gray Wolves. Although it was Kemal Ataturk who considered the army as the most reliable guarantor of the secularism and national security of the state.

After becoming president, Erdogan openly began to sympathize not only with the “Muslim Brotherhood” that came to power in Egypt, but also with his own Islamists. Using the rights of the commander in chief, last year he arrested more than 70 high-ranking officers and generals, accusing them of plotting. But that was only the beginning.

The moment of staging the performance with a coup was most likely chosen from both sides. Erdogan after participating in the Warsaw summit of NATO decided to rest for a few days in the resort town of Marmaris. He could well become, but did not become a victim or hostage of the conspirators. But somehow he managed to escape in advance, though rebel helicopters had already been sent there. In addition to helicopters, Air Force aircraft also took part in the rebellion. By that time they had hit the presidential residence in Ankara, the building of the Majlis and other government agencies. This, obviously, gave rise to Erdogan to announce the organizer of the putsch of the Commander-in-Chief of the Turkish Air Force, General Akin Ozturk, with a loud last name “a real Turk”.

The total number of victims of the rebellion has not yet been established. Participated in the coup allegedly more than 5 thousand. Military. In this regard, it cannot but come as a surprise that on the very next day after the coup (according to various sources) the number of those arrested is called from 7 to 10 thousand people.

WHO IS GUILTY

Another, more important circumstance draws attention to itself: the failure of the allegedly disrupted anti-government demonstration was used by the authorities to hold mass demonstrations condemning the conspirators in Istanbul, Ankara. Speaking at one of such rallies, Erdogan himself made it clear that conspiracy threads lead (where would you think?) To Pennsylvania, USA, where the disgraced theologian Fethullah Gulen has been living in political emigration for more than 20 years. He is considered one of the 500 most influential and richest Muslims in the world. He was considered and may still be the owner of several opposition publications in Turkey, publishing his theological works in different languages ​​(including Russian).

Intentionally I quote below the statements of philosopher and theologian Fethullah Gülen 12-old about the tragedy in Beslan: "The Islamic world cannot be built on the blood of innocent children, victims of the tragedy of Beslan." His words and now correspond with his views on the fight and everything that happens in Turkey.

Gülen categorically rejected the accusations against him of Erdogan’s involvement in a bloody play staged by his main character himself. The theologian Gülen could not be involved in the events due to the “jihad of terrorism” he rejected, as well as other forms of violence. In response to Erdogan’s accusations, he condemned the use of force in establishing authoritarian power in the country. In an effort to establish a dictatorial regime, Erdogan surpassed all predecessors. He also shed a lot of blood (the victims of this performance are already in the thousands). Every day, arrests are held in the army, the judiciary and the state apparatus of the country. The total number of those arrested has long gone on thousands. Among them are hundreds of officers and generals, not to mention other regular military personnel. A significant part of them, including the Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force Akin Ozturk, deny their involvement in the preparation of the failed coup.

At the thousands of rallies held in both capitals of Turkey, there were voices about the abolition of the death penalty ban in force since 2004. It is clear: if such a law is adopted, then the question not only about admitting Turkey to the European Union, but also about the continuation of the “strategic alliance” of Turkey and the United States within the framework of NATO, disappears.

Washington immediately refused to comply with Ankara’s demands for the extradition of Gulen without Turkey presenting substantial evidence of his involvement in the rebellion. The United States was seriously alarmed by the fact that the commander was among those arrested. aviation Incirlik base, which until recently housed American nuclear carrier aircraft weapons.

The events in Turkey can be attributed to manifestations of a hybrid quasimirovo war. Its explosive properties can also find manifestations in a chain reaction of unresolved crises in the Middle East, the closest west to Russia - in Ukraine, in North Africa, in troubled Afghanistan, where the tentacles of the Islamic State banned in Russia, DAISH, have reached.

In almost all of these countries I happened to be. But after the start of a new hybrid fight in Turkey, I would not like to return there. In one, especially muddy water does not enter twice ...

Failed, not the first coup attempt in Turkey has caused a controversial reaction in the world. In my memory, this happened more than once. I myself managed to be a witness, even to be involved in the preparation in Istanbul of a group of retired coup officers against Prime Minister Adnan Menderes. The officers' discontent was caused by his desire to implant Islam then through the construction of new mosques. The government of Menderes was overthrown, and he was hanged. But much bloodshed was then avoided. Only Menderes himself and his minions were executed.

This time everything could turn out differently, it is enough to remember how another military coup ended in 1980. He was accompanied by mass arrests in the country. Then there were more than one and a half million people in the black lists of the unreliable. Tens of thousands were forced to emigrate. Among the persecuted dissidents were many religious figures.

In the 90s, two more coups followed, bringing the Islamist party to power, led by Prime Minister Erbakan. But he did not last long in power. Even then, the mayor of Istanbul, Recep Erdogan, began to make his way to power. So Istanbul can be called his hometown, where he began his political career. Before he reached the top of power in 1998, he had to sit in jail for several months, as I heard, for contacting the radical Gray-wolves Pan-Turkist organization. It must be assumed that it was precisely in those years that he had a break with the Turkish theologian-writer and philosopher Fethullah Gülen, who later headed the organization “Ministry” (in Turkish “Khizmet”). It was his Erdogan who, in the very first hours of the coup, hurried to accuse him of organizing.

Now, with fresh and fairly bloodied tracks, it is already possible to arrive at a preliminary conclusion. The coup resulted in a struggle for the power to advance on both sides. As one of the first conclusions, we can already state: the rebellion has failed, but the fight is still ongoing. On the very first day of the coup, Erdogan succeeded in presenting him as an attempt by the enemies to overthrow the legitimate authority in the country. However, in addition to the thousands of rallies of Erdogan’s supporters in his native Istanbul and in the bureaucratic capital Ankara, there are also the second half of the citizens, including those in the army, who hate him. In this case, Turkish society appeared as a kind of complex and explosive hybrid. One would like to say: a hybrid on a hybrid, it is not known by whom and where it is driven.

In this situation, the diplomats cannot be envied ... And there is nothing left for President Vladimir Putin to convey to the former (maybe future) partner condolences through the mouth of Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov wishing to get out of the current situation in Turkey by constitutional means. These words were spoken a few hours before in the EU countries and the United States began to vaguely say something similar.

In the most difficult situation was President Barack Obama. The CIA and other intelligence agencies were supposed to inform the White House in advance about the coup being prepared in Turkey. But it is not for nothing that they slander that in the position of Obama - in the position of a “lame duck” - in the White House not all are home. I do not presume to judge whether he had intelligence information and whether he shared it with obstinate Erdogan.

Most likely the events will continue to develop not only in Turkey in the mode of proactive.

“THE TURKISH BEACH DOESN'T NEED US ...”

The failed coup in Turkey confirmed once again that, both in war and in other similar cases, much depends not on the correlation of forces, but on the actions of pre-emption. This, apparently, was also manifested in Turkey, no matter what version one might adhere to about the preparation of the insurgency. According to the Iranian agency Fars, which refers to reliable Arab sources, Erdogan allegedly received such information about the pre-emption from the intelligence agencies of Russia. Moscow had its own good reasons for that.

Everything could have happened according to the scenario of the overthrow of the government of Adnan Menderes at the beginning of the 60s. Then the military circles connected with the USA overthrew Menderes in order to prevent the visit of the Turkish Prime Minister to Moscow already announced. Everything could happen again this time under the conditions when Erdogan gathered to meet with Putin in the near future. According to information received by the Fars agency, Moscow managed to transmit information about the upcoming state coup at the very moment when Erdogan and his family were on holiday in their residence in Marmaris. Thanks to this, Erdogan literally miraculously managed to escape for 10 – 15 minutes before the coup broke into his hotel, having managed to destroy the guards. The plans of the rebels managed to prevent a detachment of Turkish special forces, responsible for the security of the president.

According to the same Arab sources, Erdogan could receive from the intelligence of Russia and other information. The commander of the air base in Incirlik, Turkish General Bakir Ercan, previously asked the US for asylum in case of a coup failure. But for some reason, the Americans refused him. Moscow regarded this as a signal that the granting of asylum to him would be a signal of the impending putsch. With any succession of events, the Turks were ready to take control of this base with the nuclear weapons there. In case the base was taken by the putschists or the Americans, it was de-energized for several days.

Many people remember a very popular song once with the words: “We don’t need a Turkish coast, and we don’t need Africa”. Since then, tourists from Russia managed to catch the fancy of the Red Sea beaches in Egypt, the Mediterranean in Tunisia and Libya, but most of all - the rest in the hotels of Antalya, where everything is "all inclusive".

Judging by the results of a joint meeting of the National Security Council of Turkey held on July 13 (chaired by “Sultan Erdogan”), a state of emergency is introduced there for three months. Naturally, entry into the country at this time is limited, and the doors of hotels on the coast of Turkey will close. But the doors of prisons for Turkish citizens suspected of involvement in the coup, will open wider! The total number of those arrested and detained has already exceeded several tens of thousands. Many Turkish scientists and teachers of higher educational institutions have been declared restricted to leave abroad. Hundreds of servants of Themis themselves were behind bars. The fate of the law enforcers is also questionable until the clarification of their involvement in the failed coup d'état. This was not in Turkey, even with all the sultans. At a joint meeting, Erdogan again voiced accusations against the Islamic dissident Gülen in organizing the failed putsch.

After all that has been said, and for Turkey itself, the door for its entry into the EU may turn out to be slammed. Already, even in the US, there are voices, whether Turkey should be considered a member of NATO. In the end, even geographically, Turkey has nothing to do with the North Atlantic. The geopolitical address, the so-called location of Turkey, will also have to be clarified by itself. The country was suddenly at the threshold of the long-defunct High Ports. After the battle that has not yet ended in the “advance” mode in Turkey, Erdogan and his successors will have to seriously consider where to go next. And with whom…
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  1. +32
    6 August 2016 12: 44
    Three days before the coup attempt, embassies and consulates of almost all major Western countries closed in Turkey. Such a long tail of betrayal of the Allies sticks out that the Turks cannot notice it.
    1. +28
      6 August 2016 13: 14
      And caravans with belongings of families of American military personnel a month before the events from the Inzherlik base? Why would families suddenly leave the base ................ leads to some thought
      1. +12
        6 August 2016 14: 53
        Quote: APASUS
        . leads to some thought

        The article is interesting. BUT! If everything was orchestrated by Erdogan, then even if only the highest army ranks were dedicated to the script, and all the rest were used blindly, then the further development of events would be Erdogan's generosity and the forgiveness of the top of the "conspirators", otherwise why would they lay their heads for Erdogash? request
        1. 0
          6 August 2016 17: 32
          , then the further development of events would have been Erdogan's generosity and the forgiveness of the top "conspirators", otherwise why would they lay their heads for Erdogash?
          Why is it? Perhaps the goal was a hard cleansing, and not just the army.
          1. 0
            6 August 2016 18: 12
            Quote: kotvov
            Why is it? Perhaps the goal was a hard cleansing, and not just the army.

            Someone was supposed to lead the "action" from the army, a kind of priest Gapon, and this "someone" should not be punished.
          2. +1
            6 August 2016 22: 03
            the moment of Moscow's warning does not fit into the theory of Erdogan's orchestration. Well, how could he be sure that the Russians would still enter this game and warn him? It's awkward. And without this, it means there should have been a coup. So the coup was real. And Moskova's warning was a "factor of chance" which makes History nonlinear. The question remains - what did the putschists want? Did they actually act in the name of Ataturk's behests, or in the name of the interests of the people? Or are these two moments intertwined? From the point of view of the Islamization of Turkey, the fact that Erdogan remained bad. From the point of view of the latest political somersaults of Turkey against the West is good. Any action contains its own negation. There are no unambiguous events.
      2. +1
        6 August 2016 15: 14
        The article is nothing new, ace it has been discussed many times ..
        1. +2
          6 August 2016 21: 21
          The article is nothing new ....


          The article is nothing good. Another search for the sly seller of soda, who, before our eyes, does not add syrup .... dear, you ordered without syrup!

          Nonsense about the great role of Erdogan in the coup, it is stewed very simply, by the question of purpose and profit. In fact, any coup or coup, an extremely complicated matter, even in a country of ever-ripe bananas, and in a developed country like Turkey, this is generally a symphony. The coups in Turkey have always been interesting, all but one of them took place almost with the consent of the government, with preliminary one hundred and ninety last Turkish warnings. Immediately, a coup like the Latin countries, useless victims, attempted assassination of the head of the country, air force and navy involved, and American ears, horns, tail and hooves sticking out from everywhere.

          What could Erdogan win from the coup? Concentration of power? So she was okay with him anyway, that’s exactly what the Americans didn’t like, too many demands and very few steps towards Uncle Sam. What did Erdogan get as a result of the coup? An incompetent army, Kurds with American help, ISIS near the borders and inside, a huge part of the population in the already implacable opposition, which consists of all the pro-Western citizens who make up the backbone of Turkish educated minds. So it turns out that this concentration of power as a result of the coup or, as you call it, not in sweetness, but in disgust, it is necessary to practically reformat the whole country, and at least maintain influence in foreign policy. This is slave labor. So, having the genius mind of a conductor, did you have to create a situation that complicated life and weakened the country? Do not tell my slippers ....
      3. 0
        7 August 2016 12: 40
        Again, the Turkish policy reversal of 180 degrees? Suddenly this happened.
        If there would be a directing - the foreign policy of such somersaults would not have committed.
  2. +20
    6 August 2016 12: 51
    "voices sounded to cancel a ban in force since 2004 death penalty. Clearly: if such a law is adopted, then there is no question not only about Turkey’s admission to the European Union, but also on the continuation of the "strategic union" of Turkey and the United States within NATO"....

    Somehow and something I didn’t understand ... With the EU, it’s more or less clear, and where does the link between the abolition of the death penalty and NATO membership-alliance ???

    Then the first United States should be kicked out of the bloc - they have the death penalty in many states, and even "with delights" - gas, and an injection, and electricity ...
    1. +8
      6 August 2016 13: 01
      Quote: weksha50
      Then the first US needs to be kicked out of the bloc - they have the death penalty in many states

      P-i-n-dosam is possible, but not for others, because how can p-i-dos be bought by someone else's elite and organize coups and coups in objectionable countries.
    2. +3
      6 August 2016 16: 48
      Then the first United States should be expelled from the bloc - they have the death penalty in many states, and even "with delights" - gas, and an injection, and electricity ..
      Please do not touch the "citadel" of democracy, they "can do anything", in contrast to the "unwashed savages" of Africa, Asia and even Russia. That's when we "grow up" to the American level of democracy and "freedom", then we will condemn the beacon of "civilization". Tv.a.ri.
  3. +7
    6 August 2016 12: 58
    I think that a lot now depends on the negotiations on August 9 with GDP. The scales will swing in some direction.
  4. +14
    6 August 2016 13: 05
    Russia, everything that happens is at hand. The enemy of our enemy is our partner. By the way:
    The offices and laboratories of the headquarters of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), located in Montreal, are searched. The reason was the evidence provided by one of the senior WADA employees about the criminal activities of the leadership of this organization.
    - reports the American edition of FoxNews ...
    1. -1
      6 August 2016 14: 09
      Quote: Knowing
      reports the American edition of FoxNews ...

      Did not try to check?
      1. +11
        6 August 2016 16: 18
        Quote: devis
        Did not try to check?

        What for? WADA also does not check the facts, but makes decisions. smile
  5. +2
    6 August 2016 13: 19
    OzTurk with a big name "real Turk"

    Maybe thrice / triple / turk? Although the spelling of the numeral "three" = "üç" is confusing, while the former commander-in-chief Oztyurk. How many times can Turkey be saved? Once in the 19th century and twice in the 20th ... Maybe "to hell" with her / Turkey /?
  6. +2
    6 August 2016 13: 32
    Mustafa Kemal Pasha Ataturk!

    Earth to him glassy for the Armenian Genocide
    1. +4
      6 August 2016 15: 43
      and what, only the Armenians have committed genocide? and the Greeks? and the Jews, and the Alawites? and Molokans? ground him with concrete of this scum ... and glassy in all holes.
    2. +3
      6 August 2016 17: 27
      The leaders of the Young Turkish Triumvirate staged a genocide. What does Ataturk have to do with it?
      1. 0
        6 August 2016 20: 43
        what does Hitler have to do with Auschwitz? then all the little white and fluffy .. why already ... and the Holocaust is ..so so ... entertainment program huh? cognitive tyk to hide ...
        1. +1
          7 August 2016 01: 32
          Quote: parkello
          what does Hitler have to do with Auschwitz?

          In order not to sign ignorance in the future, please answer two questions:
          1. WHEN did the Armenian Genocide happen?
          2. WHEN did Ataturk come to power in Turkey?
          1. 0
            7 August 2016 17: 26
            ignorance speak laughing genocide began in 1915 until 1925. http://www.genocide.ru/enc/genocide-arm.htm read more closely.
            1. 0
              7 August 2016 21: 43
              Quote: parkello
              genocide began in 1915 until 1925

              You did not write when Atatürk led Turkey.
              The genocide itself, by the way, lasted two years, and was timed to coincide with WWI by some representatives of the "first people" - according to this article: http: //maxpark.com/community/politic/content/1259469
              The period that you mention is controversial from any point of view: for example, it turns out that the Armenians were so stupid that for ten years, subjected to severe persecution, they did not even try to leave Turkey? Did they lack the instinct for self-preservation?
              In any case, Ataturk, who was engaged in a war against the British and others who joined them, did not participate in the genocide - he came to power in 1923, in September, if I am not mistaken. So do not interfere in one pile of grain and tares.
              PSRead, by the way, we really need to be more careful:
              genocide began in 1915 until 1925.
              The section you have indicated is called "The Armenian Genocide ...until 1923 "
              What can I say ... learn History! hi
    3. +1
      7 August 2016 01: 07
      Quote: MJohn
      Earth to him glassy for the Armenian Genocide

      ??? You have studied the history of what sources?
      What does Ataturk have to do with it?
  7. +5
    6 August 2016 13: 34
    I did not understand what this article is about. A lot of words and nothing concrete.
    For example, the author first accuses Erdogan of plotting himself:
    ... The fifth attempt of such a rebellion for the first time ended in failure. This is also suspicious in its own way. If the threads of the conspiracy led to Erdogan himself, then he could well now claim the general title of Recep Pasha ...
    Then he says that ours warned him, and at the last moment:
    ... According to information received by the Fars agency, Moscow managed to transmit information about the upcoming coup at the very moment when Erdogan and his family were on vacation at his residence in Marmaris. Thanks to this, Erdogan literally miraculously managed to escape 10-15 minutes before the putschists broke into his hotel, having managed to destroy the guards. The plans of the rebels managed to prevent the detachment of Turkish special forces in charge of the president’s security ...
    So what does he want to say?
  8. +4
    6 August 2016 13: 53
    This whole story with the putsch and Erdogan is somewhat reminiscent of the State Emergency Committee and the "Pharos sitting of Gorbachev." True, in the Russian version of the play there was no episode with an attempt to intercept in the air, which added drama. It should be admitted that our scriptwriters did not complete it.
    1. 0
      6 August 2016 17: 05
      Quote: Verdun
      It should be recognized that our screenwriters have not finalized.

      Well, at least one admitted to involvement in the events preceding the collapse of the USSR!
      Now, from this place in more detail, please: who were "yours screenwriters ", how do you personally relate to them?
      1. +2
        6 August 2016 19: 22
        Quote: V.ic
        Now, from this point in more detail, please: who were "your scriptwriters", how do you personally relate to them?

        When I said "Nashi" I meant the Russians, in a broad, so to speak, sense. hi True, while Mikhail Sergeevich was twisting in Faros, my wife and I were nearby - I was resting in Yalta - I wondered from what fright the Navy ships appeared on the horizon and watched what was happening in Moscow on TV. And I have nothing to do with the collapse of the USSR, because, like many, I voted for the preservation of the USSR. But which of the "champions of democracy" listened to the opinion of the people? Honestly, I am bitter to hear the statements of people puffing out their cheeks that the color revolution in Russia will not work. They simply do not notice that it has already passed - even then, in 1991, and today we are sipping its fruits with a full spoon.
    2. 0
      6 August 2016 21: 43
      Quote: Verdun
      This whole story with the putsch and Erdogan is somewhat reminiscent of the State Emergency Committee and the "Pharos sitting of Gorbachev." True, in the Russian version of the play there was no episode with an attempt to intercept in the air, which added drama. It should be admitted that our scriptwriters did not complete it.


      Hic! suz mi ... why would Erdogan spoil his relations with the United States ?? and even to demand the issuance of some "julienne" ?? and so immediately inflame with love for Russia, why go to visit? there are too many strains on the performance ... and too many accidents and multivariations due to which everything could go down the drain. Judging by his reaction, "a knife from the back of Russia" was stuck in him ... and don't be spoiled at all, which he did not expect and did not believe to the last. He began to behave too unpredictably, therefore the best medicine for an inconvenient "partner" is an unexpected coup, as in Ukraine. Ears are black and stick out here and there ... We are waiting for a visit, maybe some kind of infa thread will be dropped for analysis and comprehension of what happened hi
      1. 0
        6 August 2016 22: 20
        Quote: Yuyuka
        too much tension on the performance ... and too many accidents and multivariations because of which everything could go down the drain.

        This only suggests that the performance was staged by a good director. And relations with Russia and the United States were and remain secondary for the person building the "Great Turkey". They will be as the benefit dictates at the moment.
  9. 0
    6 August 2016 13: 56
    What happened in Turkey, from the very beginning, I called the BLOOD SPECTACLE! Organized by Erdogan himself =?, Or by someone else, which is also?. We will receive answers to these questions, the only question is when, and whether we will receive them at all. In the meantime, Turkey has a bacchanalia, and the SIMPLE PEOPLE OF TURKEY suffer first of all. All according to the Russian proverb: PANS Fight, And at the holods forelocks crack!
  10. 0
    6 August 2016 14: 07
    About 3000 people participated in the Decembrist uprising, five were executed - EVERYTHING! Learn Turks!
    1. +3
      6 August 2016 14: 43
      Quote: 78bor1973
      About 3000 people participated in the Decembrist uprising, five were executed - EVERYTHING! Learn Turks!

      And how many died during the shooting of guns you do not take into account? Or just not in the know, out of ignorance?
      1. +6
        6 August 2016 14: 46
        Quote: Verdun
        And how many died during the shooting of guns you do not take into account?

        They died displaying armed resistance during detention, and were not executed. Or just not in the know, out of ignorance?
        1. 0
          6 August 2016 15: 08
          Quote: Dart2027
          They died displaying armed resistance during detention, and were not executed.

          How wonderful it is!
          The first salvo was fired above the ranks of the rebel soldiers - “mobile” on the roof of the Senate building and on the roofs of neighboring houses. The rebels responded to the first volley with buckshot with rifle fire, but then under the hail of buckshot an escape began. According to V. I. Shteingel: “It could already be limited to this, but Sukhozanet fired several more shots along the narrow Galerny lane and across the Neva to the Academy of Arts, where more of the crowd of curious people fled!
          This "rabble" and curious, perhaps, provided armed resistance? The problem of all armed uprisings without exception, regardless of what goals they pursue, is that people are dying who have nothing to do with the uprising itself. No one has yet been able to avoid these victims. And to argue that there were no such victims is simply stupid.
          1. +1
            6 August 2016 16: 22
            Quote: Verdun
            This "rabble" and curious, perhaps, provided armed resistance?

            Was this a salvo? Nicholas I was a stern man, but did not show senseless cruelty, in addition, several blank shots were made, which hardly left passers-by really casual, and there are no documents about huge casualties among the civilian population. So most likely it was one of the single salvos.
            1. -2
              6 August 2016 17: 47
              Quote: Dart2027
              So most likely it was one of the single salvos.

              And instead of the Decembrists they hung inflatable stuffed animals ...
              and there are no documents about huge casualties among the civilian population.
              Full of you, sir. Who then in Russia considered this civilian population? Unless there is nothing to do.
              1. 0
                6 August 2016 20: 41
                Quote: Verdun
                And instead of the Decembrists they hung inflatable stuffed animals ...

                In the beginning, it was fired at idle, it is a fact.
                Quote: Verdun
                Who then in Russia considered this civilian population?

                In this case, the police who were investigating the incident.
                1. -1
                  6 August 2016 20: 54
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  In this case, the police who were investigating the incident.

                  And reported to you about the results of this investigation? Do not fantasize. Since when has reliable information about failed coups d'etat become known to the general public? Or do you think that the law on the press was already passed in 1825? smile Moreover, many witnesses write about civilian casualties.
                  1. 0
                    7 August 2016 06: 47
                    Quote: Verdun
                    Since when has reliable information about failed coups d'etat become known to the general public

                    Was there any sense in hiding?
                    Quote: Verdun
                    many eyewitnesses write about civilian casualties

                    It is one thing when stray bullets hit people, and another when it is they who are shot.
                    1. 0
                      7 August 2016 16: 48
                      Quote: Dart2027

                      It is one thing when stray bullets hit people, and another when it is they who are shot.

                      And what's the difference for those who hit?
                      1. 0
                        7 August 2016 16: 57
                        Premeditated murder is one thing, accidental is another.
  11. +3
    6 August 2016 14: 13
    Recep Erdogan Theater
  12. +3
    6 August 2016 14: 50
    Turkey knocks down our plane and kills the pilot, the top officials of Russia and not only trample Turkey into the mud, equating them with terrorists, impose an embargo on Turkish goods and products, etc. Time passes by you too! Russia will lift all bans, drive its tourists to Turkey, send them to play the football team there (match at the end of August). Almost getting knees begging the Turks to become friends! What is it????
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      6 August 2016 15: 44
      Quote: RED_ICE
      Time passes by you too! Russia will lift all bans, drive its tourists to Turkey, send them to play the football team there (match at the end of August). Almost getting knees begging the Turks to become friends! What is it????

      Nobody drives them there, it is the herd’s job to choose the rest there. And for everything else - a nuclear power plant and already two branches of the Turkish stream.
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    6 August 2016 14: 55
    Quote: 78bor1973
    About 3000 people participated in the Decembrist uprising, five were executed - EVERYTHING! Learn Turks!


    Not all. And shot by canister of carre guns around the equestrian statue of Peter -1. The dead and wounded were lowered into the ice hole of the Neva at night.
    So, the Turks will arrange a trial and be executed by sentence. The media will tell and show. But there will be reprisal. The sea will cover everything and everyone ...
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      6 August 2016 17: 25
      Quote: cedar
      And shot by buckshot of guns carрe around the equestrian statue of Peter -1.

      French, however? "(French carre, literally a square) order of battle of troops, built in the form of one or more squares." However, if "around the equestrian statue of Peter -1.", Then one "square" (in Russian). You should use the letter "er" in the writing of the French word ONE, and the letter "v" in front of it, separated by a space. Then the sentence would have turned out to be understandable and a hedgehog: "A raсcannon shot в square around the equestrian statue of Peter -1. "
  14. 0
    6 August 2016 15: 26
    Yes, the Americans are trying to otmazyvatsya - with the naked eye you can see the State Department technology for punishing the naughty.
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    6 August 2016 18: 54
    Our guarantor should have done the same when "the white-worms came out on the square. All at once in a crowd and take them along with their Echoes, Rains, NGOs, sects and so on, so on, and so forth. Things would go much more fun. But the person is weak in spirit or something must.
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    6 August 2016 20: 17
    Everyone understands that Erdogan is a dangerous type, a dark person. You need to keep an eye on him.
    And most importantly, do not substitute your back. This is a great specialist in back stabs. However, there is another one in Ukraine. Try to guess who it is.
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    6 August 2016 20: 21
    It was a joint project with the CIA and the European special services, to neutralize any opposition in Turkey, to clear the battlefield for a further attack on Russia, by Turkey accepting repentance for the downed plane and sagging (like) under Russia, and then Allah will tell the CIA what to do, here Considering that the Americans do not like to stand on ceremony, it will be, as always, in the "china shop" they will kill everyone and transfer them, and there will be global misunderstandings ...
  18. 0
    7 August 2016 12: 04
    Not an article, but some kind of mess.
    That in the US article has nothing to do with the putsch, (because the US is so white and fluffy), then in Turkey there is a hybrid war (who with whom), then the third world war (who are the participants in this case).
    However, as soon as it is accepted that the United States has muddied all this, a harmonious picture immediately emerges - a hybrid war and a world war, and the behavior of the governments of the axis of evil (Europe and the United States) and the behavior of Erdogan himself.

    PS: To be honest, the behavior of Erdogan fits very well in the characteristic given in one of the articles on VO - a hysterical narcissist with complexes.


    The article is a typical whining of a liberoid who does not know where to stick his thoughts. The main thing is that the USA is the whitest and fluffiest.
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    8 August 2016 07: 57
    One can argue a lot about what good and what bad this "putsch" has brought, one thing is clear at last it came to Erdogan that the fate of Gaddafi and Saddam could await him! It seems that he understood what the "Great White Fathers" from Washington had prepared for him, and in this case it becomes natural and quite possible for us to warn him about the putsch! In my opinion, a "bad friendship" with the Turks is better than a "good war" with them, and Erdogan seems to have lost confidence in NATO's "chief executives" ... Well, the future will put everything in its place!

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