What if tomorrow is war, and not with Russia?

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While the attention of all patriots of Ukraine is focused on the "war with Moscow", the western direction is completely defenseless.

What if tomorrow is war, and not with Russia?




The current authorities of Ukraine can achieve wars with Russia only by launching on their own initiative a suicidal offensive on its territory or the territories of the self-proclaimed republics in violation of existing agreements. The war in the west can start completely regardless of their (authorities) desires and plans ...

The paradox of the question heading, for all its apparent unreality, can be easily refuted by a simple reminder of the number of Ukrainian citizens who believed in 2013 in the autumn that large-scale hostilities would unfold in the territory of their home country using all available in the Armed Forces of Ukraine types of weapons.

Of course, any patriotic Ukrainian citizen knows perfectly well that his country, most of the population (with the exception of “separatists” concentrated in the east) and a handful of “irresponsible elements” in the territory controlled by the current government, have been protecting Europe from invasion for the third year Strangers, as President Petro Poroshenko recalled recently, speaking before believers on the occasion of the anniversary of the Baptism of Russia. It is quite clear that Europe, even from a sense of gratitude, is simply obliged to fully support and help the heroic efforts of Ukraine aimed at its defense and salvation.

Unfortunately, the real situation is seriously different from the blissful picture drawn by the Ukrainian media. Fortunately, there was still no war with Russia, and there is still no, despite the fact that the current authorities did, it would seem that everything that is possible for it to begin.

However, if you ask for a long time, then sooner or later, the desired tends to come true. True, not always in the form that seemed to be willing. A vivid example of this was both the Ukrainian "revolution" - 2004 and 2014. It seems that they won the victory and changed the power, but for some reason, neither the country nor the overwhelming majority of the people who inhabited it have won happiness and prosperity.

Based on the fact that Ukrainian realities sometimes turn out to be brighter than even the most desperate fantasies, one can also analyze such a seemingly incredible scenario as the beginning of the war, but ... not with Russia.

Who will we fight with?

The answer is simple and obvious - with neighboring states that have claims to Ukraine, interests and other “European” arguments such as strengthening democracy, establishing constitutional order, overthrowing the bloody dictatorship, and so on. Beautiful slogans that have helped with even the last decades redraw the previously existing world map. Moreover, the “bloody dictator” often became the former “reliable partner”, and “democratization” drove the once prosperous countries into the chaos of internal conflict, which overshadowed even the domestic Makhnovshchina in scope and duration.

Well, Ukraine has been at war with Russia for a long time, relations with Belarus are developing rather mutually beneficial, since a good part of the Russian export-import stream has passed to them, the people there are serious - because of politics, no one will break it.

As a result, there remain Young Europeans - Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania, who are in the composition of the defensive alliance of NATO, where Ukraine was not accepted.

By the way, each of these countries has its own old historical interest in either the current Ukrainian territory or the current Ukrainian citizens of their native nationality living on these lands. Moreover, in each of these countries there are politicians, parties, movements and "public activists" who not only do not hesitate to voice these interests in the form of specific claims, but also consistently implement them. It is enough to recall the issuance of the "Pole card", Hungarian and Romanian passports to a considerable number of border residents of Ukraine. It is interesting how the current and past Ukrainian authorities and politicians would react if the issuance of Russian passports would begin in Kiev, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk and Odessa? It would be no less interesting to calculate the possible number of people wishing to receive them.

When will it start?

The reason for the protection of compatriots on the ancestral lands belonging to Ukraine, which have long been recognized and counted, can be any deterioration of the situation inside Ukraine or the long-awaited “Kremlin aggression” proclaimed by official Kiev, even if the Kremlin itself does not know about it . The actions of sovereign states in the international arena are often difficult to distinguish from the behavior of a marauder against the background of the turbid situation of any conflict or disorder. Tendencies to the loss of control by the current authorities of Kiev over individual regions, persons and formations have long been too noticeable even to those who put them in their current place, and all attempts to bring the disintegrating country into a single fist have not yet been crowned with success, especially against the inevitable impending economic catastrophe. Therefore, in the event that the central government collapses, the most energetic neighbors may not resist the temptation to take over, at least for a while, their historical territories. It is, of course, better to do this at the same time, so that no one was hurt and then did not have to divide the land again, and the joint efforts of several respected European countries were much easier and more logical to explain to the world community. Therefore, to tear Ukrainian territory, if anything, will start all at once.

As it will be?

From a military point of view, the operation on the “return of historical European territories” will not be difficult and hardly cause serious losses. First, the bulk of combat-ready Ukrainian troops are concentrated in the east of the country. Secondly, military equipment even units that are permanently stationed in the western regions are also stored closer to the border with Russia. The most combat-ready units are also located there, and only the support services and some of those who have gone on rotation and rest remain in the RPM. Thirdly, the experience of the first days of the Great Patriotic War shows that the local population, regardless of nationality, will be greeted by incoming troops, if not with bread and salt, then completely indifferent and neutral.

As for the inter-ethnic military formations, such as Ukrpolbat or the multinational Romanian-Bulgarian brigade with the participation of the Ukrainian military, the experience of collaborationist service in the armies that came to the territory of Ukraine is also rich and extensive, both in 1914 and 1941. By the way Numerous joint military exercises, regularly held in the western regions of Ukraine, have long helped the units in Poland, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria participating in them to be well versed in the terrain, to accustom months to their presence. population and even prepare the necessary infrastructure on the basis of Ukrainian landfills. Thus, with the few regular troops of the Ukrainian army, problems are not foreseen, and mutual understanding at all levels has long been established.

Hope for patriots, volunteers and the popular partisan movement is also very slim. What did the seemingly formidable and mighty Transcarpathian Right Sector (banned in the Russian Federation) cost, was shown by Governor Gennady Moskal, who had just taken office, who not only literally drove the brave and well-armed Maidan soldiers to the Dnieper, but later continued to prompt the law-enforcement bodies, where and how to catch fugitives. It is also not necessary to expect that the Western partners who came to treat criminal habits and impunity developed during the years of the “revolution of dignity” are different. And the Germans, Romanians, and Magyars, from the experience of 70 years ago, very quickly suppressed the “holiday of disobedience” even among their henchmen, not to mention some local initiative.

It is well known that war is only the continuation of politics by other means. It is not difficult to notice that the policy of the Young European countries towards Ukraine has always been based on pure pragmatism, which has nothing in common with European-romanticism that has suddenly gripped Ukrainians. This was the case when President Viktor Yushchenko gave Romania a gas-bearing shelf with a stroke of a pen or when Russian gas, having completed the honor circle across the border, returned to Ukraine as European, but several tens of dollars more expensive.

In any case, it can be argued that the current authorities of Ukraine can achieve war with Russia only by launching on their own initiative a suicidal offensive on its territory or the territories of the self-proclaimed republics in violation of existing agreements. The war in the west can begin completely regardless of their desires and plans ...
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    1. +41
      August 5 2016
      Well, if tomorrow the war between Ukraine and the West, then I think a long-known story will repeat itself - fraternization with the Russian people wink
      1. +23
        August 5 2016
        Today, everyone forgot about the territorial dispute between Romania and Ukraine in 1993 regarding the division of the gas-bearing shelf in the Zmeinyi Island region (Zmiiii). Then the conflict was settled after the flight over the island of Ukrainian TU-22M3. Russia supported the position of Ukraine.
        However, on February 03.02.2009, 80, by a decision of the International Court of Justice in The Hague, Ukraine lost XNUMX% of the shelf left by Romania.
        1. +17
          August 5 2016
          The denouement for Ukraine will be very unexpected and unpleasant, they will resort to bow to Russia, they simply have no other way.
          1. +53
            August 5 2016
            Quote: cniza
            The denouement for Ukraine will be very unexpected and unpleasant, they will resort to bow to Russia, they simply have no other way.

            And let the Galitsians wander off to the psheks. Yes
          2. -31
            August 5 2016
            So it was when President Viktor Yushchenko gave the gas-bearing shelf to Romania with a stroke of his pen

            And what does Yushchenko have to do with it. Snake Island went to Romania by the decision of the international court, since it is located on the Romanian shelf.
            1. +62
              August 5 2016
              Yeah .. that went away, contrary to the RESULTS of the Second World War, where he rightfully was part of the territory of the USSR, it was only gummy lawyers who were not familiar at all with jurisdiction, international and other treaties, managed to pass out of the blue out of the blue ... itching somewhere, here is the result, they went to court, and then who rules, well, the court judged a piece in favor of Romania, because there was a lot of oil on the shelf.
              1. +3
                August 7 2016
                Yes, we are no better than these very blacks (at least during the time of Yeltsin), to remind you how many po.h.e.r.r.l.i or you remember?
            2. +17
              August 5 2016
              Unfortunately, Yushchenko miscalculated the island of the Romanians ... What the Western worlds could not do under Alexander the Second or Alexander the Third, when there was a special sensation around him. Then, because of his position, for he blocked, like a cork, the exit from the Danube. And now there’s gas. What international courts, everyone knows; a long time ago, when this issue was covered, it was clear to the hedgehog how it would all end ... And as for the articles, one should not exclude such a scenario, naturally, it will be more sophisticated, but the essence is the same.
            3. +24
              August 5 2016
              Quote: Mahmut
              And what does Yushchenko have to do with it. Snake Island went to Romania by the decision of the international court, since it is located on the Romanian shelf.

              But what has Ukraine to do with it? It’s a loser and insignificance, but a loser, as in a famous song, doesn’t need a knife. With the Union, this shit did not channel, with today's Russia, too, but rightly for the Sassans, they will take everything from these morons, leave embroidered shirts (who the fuck are needed) and a dung.
              1. +5
                August 5 2016
                But what, his Mr. is not enough, or when Ukrainians are all bad and their grief is not grief? Remind to whom Medvedev and what he gave? So the West first raped us, and then the Ukrainians (in the process).
            4. +12
              August 5 2016
              Quote: Mahmut
              Snake Island moved to Romania

              do not confuse - Snake Island as it was ours and remains. Tiny but very important. But the shelf in court (Europe) was divided in favor of Romania. The shelf was controversial. Ukraine might not go to court insisting on the Soviet line (albeit controversial but its own) But Yusch (the damned Yushch) decided in this way to oil Europe with this help (as it was called in the media). However, the opposition cast him down to the level of a couple of percent in the election. He did for the lines so that even supporters hated him. Well, Yanukovych undoubtedly became the winner.
              1. +6
                August 5 2016
                Quote: Retvizan
                do not confuse - Snake Island as it was ours and remains.

                This you do not confuse, nezalezhnoe, yours, if anything remains where, it’s debt, like a fool shag, or in your opinion, like a circus fleas.
              2. +3
                August 5 2016
                Quote: Retvizan
                do not confuse - Snake Island as it was ours and remains. Tiny but very important. But the shelf in court (Europe) was divided in favor of Romania.



                Battleship itself is not dumb from this "Snake Island as it was ours and remained." You would be silent ..
            5. +20
              August 5 2016
              Quote: Mahmut
              Snake Island went to Romania by the decision of the international court, since it is located on the Romanian shelf.

              Read the book by V. S. Pikul "The Battle of the Iron Chancellors", there about the status of Fr. Serpentine is very well explained how Russia, using the mistake of the Anglo-French-Austro-Turkish diplomats, was able to lock the mouth of the Danube. And never again trump the so-called. "international law". In international politics, the "right of the strong" has always prevailed. Those who have not understood this until now, let them return to the younger group of the kindergarten for additional education.
              1. 0
                August 7 2016
                Not by speeches and decisions of the majority, but by iron and blood .. so Bismarck said, and was right for centuries to come, even if you are a thrice superpupermega politician, if powerful armed forces are not behind you, you are nobody!
            6. 0
              August 6 2016
              But do not you think, dear, that all international courts, like in your pocket blatantly-Saxons work? Or are you so naive that the United States believes? How old are you? Don’t take it as an insult.
            7. +3
              August 6 2016
              And before that, where the Serpent was ??? but it was quiet under the Union. We won’t give it back. And the lizard, like the current government, is a puppet of the West ... with all the consequences. (Based on Soviet treaties on the border, they could send the Hague court far away.) What will happen I don’t know anymore, because here (Ukraine) now everything Soviet is just criminal. Maybe now Lviv is chopped off (the union is forbidden) and there’s nothing to cover. But there will be a reason to grow Svidomo around the island, and somehow the current patriots will be forgotten in the background, something silent for this reason sons Bandera itit. !!!
          3. +18
            August 5 2016
            Run to Russia? Yes, they will not run anywhere. Only a prisoner, with great pleasure.
            Well this is what a good deal for them will be if someone declare war on them. Surrender immediately even to Luxembourg, even Monaco. This is the ultimate dream!
            1. +4
              August 5 2016
              Even in captivity they are not needed .. Captivity is a slave and humiliation, well, they will agree with humiliation, but freeloaders can’t work, even from under the stick ..
              Quote: Stock Officer
              Run to Russia? Yes, they will not run anywhere. Only a prisoner, with great pleasure.
              Well this is what a good deal for them will be if someone declare war on them. Surrender immediately even to Luxembourg, even Monaco. This is the ultimate dream!
              1. +7
                August 5 2016
                Dmitry, the policemen and traitors to any aggressor needed. It’s just that there will be too many of them, it’s necessary to arrange a whole hierarchy: a traitor, a senior traitor, the head of a group of traitors, the main traitor, etc. And how many deputies, how many sympathizers, how many candidates will be traitors (on recommendation). They completely absorbed everything negative that was in our history, and even creatively developed it.
                1. +5
                  August 5 2016
                  Oh, someone didn’t like the mention of Ukrainian policemen, judging by the minus? A descendant? A clear flaw in Comrade Stalin that your ancestor remained alive, and he gave offspring. That's where humanism was.
                2. +3
                  August 6 2016
                  Alexei, I completely agree with you ... Svidomites captured are not capable of more .. Although I’m sure there will be no such scenario, if anyone makes a claim to Bukovina, Galicia, etc. then these territories will easily leave without a war. For this is not a state, but a misunderstanding ..
                  Quote: Stock Officer
                  Dmitry, the policemen and traitors to any aggressor needed. It’s just that there will be too many of them, it’s necessary to arrange a whole hierarchy: a traitor, a senior traitor, the head of a group of traitors, the main traitor, etc. And how many deputies, how many sympathizers, how many candidates will be traitors (on recommendation). They completely absorbed everything negative that was in our history, and even creatively developed it.
                3. 0
                  August 7 2016
                  Quote: Stock Officer
                  Dmitry, the policemen and traitors to any aggressor needed. It’s just that there will be too many of them, it’s necessary to arrange a whole hierarchy: a traitor, a senior traitor, the head of a group of traitors, the main traitor, etc. And how many deputies, how many sympathizers, how many candidates will be traitors (on recommendation). They completely absorbed everything negative that was in our history, and even creatively developed it.

                  Well said!
          4. +3
            August 6 2016
            You're right. Crawl ...
          5. 0
            August 7 2016
            I think, yes. It's time to start storing strategic raw materials - vodka and fat.
          6. 0
            August 8 2016
            How not? What about surrender? Full unconditional with annexations and indemnities. In Kiev, they will solemnly announce that non-fall Ukraine has finally found its way into the EU ...
        2. +11
          August 5 2016
          dumpy15 RU Today, 16:12 ↑ New
          Today, everyone forgot about the territorial dispute between Romania and Ukraine in 1993 regarding the division of the gas-bearing shelf in the Zmeinyi Island region (Zmiiii). Then the conflict was settled after the flight over the island of Ukrainian TU-22M3. Russia supported the position of Ukraine.
          However, on February 03.02.2009, 80, by a decision of the International Court of Justice in The Hague, Ukraine lost XNUMX% of the shelf left by Romania.

          I also wanted to dwell on this fact, as an example of the fact that the Author is wishful thinking, although he calls himself a "military expert". Well, one wonders why the Kiev junta should fight the countries of Eastern Europe, if both Ukraine and its neighbors in the west are American puppets. If the United States really saw the meaning of the separation of Western Ukraine from Central Ukraine, then they would have long ago pushed through Poroshenko and the Rada a federal structure, with the right to secede from Ukraine, and would organize, under its patronage, the necessary plebiscite on the rights of Hungarians, Romanians, Slovaks and Poles. Of Ukraine to secede from Ukraine with the further accession of their regions to the respective states.
          1. +7
            August 5 2016
            Quote: One of You
            If the United States really saw the point of separating Western Ukraine from Central Ukraine, they would have long ago pushed through the federal system through Poroshenko and Rada, with the right to secession of regions from Ukraine, and organized under their patronage the necessary plebescite on the rights of Hungarians, Romanians, Slovaks and Poles Ukraine to withdraw from Ukraine with the further accession of their regions to the respective states.

            Who told you that the Americans are not considering this option? In my opinion, it is quite suitable for plan "B"))) The mattresses thought that after the Maidan, they would calmly rake up the entire territory of the durkains. But it didn't work out)))
            The events that have taken place just speak in favor of the fact that it is more interesting for the United States, which have failed with the absorption of Durkaina in full force with Crimea and LDNR and understand the futility of their return to a single space, which can definitely be used as a bridgehead, but not right rent, as the owner. The NATO charter prohibits admission to countries with territorial disputes.
            Naturally, they will try to leave the mattresses for the severed "appendicitis" and Odessa ports, through which oil is driven and there is a possibility of the location of NATO ships. In any case, the prospect of being stuck between "heaven and earth" for the United States today is like a sickle over hairy tubers, and therefore they will put pressure on federalization (which, by the way, Nuland and Biden have already announced from the Rada rostrum)
            The fact that in the Zapadenshchina there is the Yuzov shale gas field, which the Biden family has laid eyes on, suggests that this territory will definitely be under the control of the United States, and the gas transmission system there gives the mattresses great interest in filling it with shale, which is why pressure on Russia and Europe to freeze the Nord Stream-2, to ensure guaranteed gas transit throughout Ukraine without gas to contain a piece of infrastructure is not economically viable.
            So dear, the question of durcaine partition is just a matter of time, and very soon.
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      3. +8
        August 5 2016
        do we need it? It is necessary, but on the conditions - Novorossia and Odessa region
        1. +1
          August 5 2016
          No thanks. To be a gray zone unrecognized even by Russia - thank you. And after the mutual observances (especially after the publication of the obsessions of Odessa) it’s kind of dumb. We are subsidized. Why do you need hangers-on? Are there few of them?
          1. +10
            August 5 2016
            Quote: Retvizan
            No thanks. To be a gray zone unrecognized even by Russia - thank you. And after the mutual observances (especially after the publication of the obsessions of Odessa) it’s kind of dumb. We are subsidized. Why do you need hangers-on? Are there few of them?

            That's right, Russia will not give a dime, you yourself will get out of your shit. Yes, it’s difficult, it’s unpleasant to suffocate in your own sewage, but you’ll have to go through it, but what to do? You have to pay for everything, even for your own idiocy, which is especially annoying, because the Ukrainians are the predecessors of Pithecanthropus.
      4. +6
        August 5 2016
        Well, by chance, well, jokingly, I lost my way! Duck, after all, I am a child of nature, Let him be evil, but a child !. Leonid Filatov "About Fedot-archer, a daring young man"
        More details on livelib.ru:
        https://www.livelib.ru/author/122271/quotes
      5. +12
        August 5 2016
        Quote: Wend
        Well, if tomorrow the war between Ukraine and the West,

        What kind of war? lie down silently and buttocks apart (especially the right-bank part of Ukraine)
        After all, they are no strangers: Since 1379. Galicia was part of the Hungarian kingdom, then in the relay race like that "shoulder" - Poland, Sweden, Austria, Austria-Hungary and again Poland ...
        Who just didn’t have them and so, in 1944. the Soviet army actually gave them statehood.
        But it wouldn’t be worth it - they cannot control themselves. THE OWNER they need.
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      7. +9
        August 5 2016
        It is unlikely that anyone will attack anyone because of the territory. But if the border minorities declare their independence sovereignty with arms in their hands, another ATO will begin. Then the neighbors can harness for their own.
        1. 0
          August 6 2016
          Then the neighbors can harness for their own. ,,
          you just don’t know ALL of the latest news. banderlogs put territorial claims to logs. all historical transformations against these have torn off trifles.
          http://politobzor.net/show-102025-ukrainskie-nacionalisty-vydvigayut-territorial
          nye-pretenzii-k-polshe.html
      8. +39
        August 5 2016
        Quote: Wend
        Well, if tomorrow the war between Ukraine and the West

        Yes, the West does not need Ukraine, the West needs Russia and its resources. Yes What does the West require from Russia, as well as some enlightened citizens of the Russian Federation who call themselves free people who wish only good for our country:
        1. To lift the siege from Aleppo.
        2. Do not kill worldwide terrorists funded by the United States, Qatar, Turkey and Saudi Arabia.
        3. Do not impede the laying of a gas pipeline from Qatar to Europe.
        4. Do not interfere with the US fleet massaged in the Black Sea and come close to the sea borders of Russia.
        5. Return the Crimea under the control of Ukraine to place NATO fleet and missile bases on it.
        6. Do not run gas pipelines to Europe.
        7. Do not prevent Ukraine from blackmailing Russia in gas transit.
        8. Not to demand from Ukraine repayment of debts.
        9. Not to impede the deployment of NATO in the territories of Georgia and Ukraine near the borders of Russia, for which to refuse support for the Donbass.
        10. Do not interfere with the activities of foreign Funds and NPOs.
        11. Do not declare Russian media receiving funding from abroad and acting in the interests of other countries as foreign agents.
        12. Not to persecute the Russian opposition, demanding that the government yield to the West in all its claims.
        13. Do not take actions that impede the dominance of the dollar in the world.
        14. Do not enter into international alliances aimed at limiting the spread of US dominance.
        15. Do not increase the cost of the army.
        16. Do not build the Nicaraguan Canal.
        17. Do not interfere with the American ambassadors to carry out espionage functions in Russia.
        18. Do not seek to restore ties with the former republics of the USSR.
        19. Completely leave the North Caucasus.
        20. Do not interfere with the struggle of the Russian national republics for a democratic right to self-determination up to the secession from Russia.
        21. Do not interfere with Siberia and the Far East in determining the issue of their statehood with the help of the world community.
        23. Do not interfere with Kaliningrad to secede from Russia and become a member of the EU.
        24. In general, if you can, close Russia to a vigorous grandmother for all eternity.
        25. At the same time, do not forget to eliminate their nuclear weapons under the control of the UN and NATO.
        26. Deal fairly with mineral reserves that accidentally find themselves in the territory of the former Russia. That is, to transfer them to the disposal of the world civilized and democratic community.
        Only a tyrant and despot, dictator and enemy of democracy can ignore these legal and democratic demands of a peace-loving world community. The people supporting such a tyrant are subject, in part, to re-education, and in part to dissolution; the rest is easy to dispose of with wine, tobacco, pornography, educational and medical reform, and a ban on ideology.
        1. +3
          August 5 2016
          This is a large part of the questions to the existing government of the Bear, so that he positively resolved them ... and then in the world the happiness of shit democracy will come, the whiskers will bask in joyful nirvana and prosper ... WHERE the mind is ... what kind of nonsense is going against inciting military hysteria?
        2. +7
          August 5 2016
          You forgot one more point:
          27. All Russians who are not employed in the extractive industry are organized to undergo euthanasia in order to at least partially atone for their innumerable crimes before the international community.
        3. 0
          August 8 2016
          27. Always and everywhere, under any circumstances, send all English-speaking geeks as far as possible. If they don’t do it well, kick in the teeth until they understand. In case of conflict, to destroy the English-speaking geeks, like rabid dogs, do not take prisoner under any circumstances.
      9. 0
        August 5 2016
        that nm - plin at a time
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        1. +4
          August 5 2016
          Quote: hirurg
          And if tomorrow my grandmother
          That will be grandfather !!!

          Will either hermaphrodite or mutant fool
          The one who set the minus laugh after the word shovel!
      11. +3
        August 5 2016
        Quote: Wend
        Well, if tomorrow the war between Ukraine and the West, then I think a long-known story will repeat itself - fraternization with the Russian people wink

        I think it will not come to fraternization. Too well brainwashed. They say the East is guilty that the West has attacked us!
        1. 0
          August 5 2016
          NUU, one thing on TV!
          And eye to eye is another!
          How many times have I seen this.
        2. 0
          August 6 2016
          Any conflict, even an armed conflict provoked by the West under any pretext, is, from their point of view, a "charitable cause." Let them take Western Ukraine, along with all the Ukrainian filth that they have created and brought up. Anyway, they have never seen anything good from her, even if this abscess hurts them. It would be nice to have a fight with each other.
      12. +2
        August 5 2016
        Quote: Wend
        a long-known story will be repeated - fraternization with the Russian people

        And then what to do with the bros?
        No, let them go through the forest.
      13. 0
        August 5 2016
        Wend (2) RU Today, 15: 55 ↑

        Well, if tomorrow the war between Ukraine and the West, then I think a long-known story will repeat itself - fraternization with the Russian people
        This will never happen, for the simple reason that the Ukrainian authorities fall under any "roar" and "roar" emanating from the west ... Change the head (ku) and the size will fit (tech.) ...
      14. 0
        August 6 2016
        Quote: Wend
        Well, if tomorrow the war between Ukraine and the West, then I think a long-known story will repeat itself - fraternization with the Russian people wink

        Brotherhood with these scum? This is not to respect yourself.
      15. +2
        August 6 2016
        On July 23, 2016, at least 3 reconnaissance groups of Canadian special forces consisting of at least 20 people tried to attack militia positions in the ATO zone. The operation was developed without the involvement of Ukrainian experts to demonstrate the "master class in the fight against terrorists" of the Canadian special services. Responsible - the Canadian intelligence and security service - Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), oversaw the issue - Canadian military attache in Ukraine Colonel Ron Ubbens.
        The Canadian group of military personnel was formally assigned to the Ukrainian Ministry of Health and was displayed exclusively in the documents as representatives of this organization. From the Ukrainian side, the operation was supervised by Oleksandr Turchynov (Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine), and the command of the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine “observed”, awaiting the result and details. The SBU only received orders to ensure unhindered access of the “Canadian representatives of the Ministry of Health of Ukraine” directly to the ATO zone without any checks and inspections. At the same time, the key persons of the SBU knew about the essence of what was happening, but they were assigned only the role of extras and observers. The idea of ​​such "cooperation" between Ukraine and Canada arose after a two-day visit (July 10-11) by Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to Kiev. Occupying an active pro-Ukrainian position, Trudeau initiated such actions, at the same time believing (assumption so far not having accurate evidence) to strengthen the combat training of his elite units in the format of small groups in the territory of the Donbass conflict. A group of Canadian special forces arrived in the ATO zone on July 22, and on July 23 there were clashes. This clearly indicates that all the information on site could only be slightly adjusted, and a clear rush means the desire of CSIS to minimize the risk of information leakage. The facts of the July 24 attack were publicly announced by the deputy commander of the DPR Ministry of Defense corps, Eduard Basurin. However, Basurin mistakenly assumed that the attack was carried out by Ukrainian units, because for the operation, the Canadian special forces used the form characteristic of the Armed Forces. In addition, the goals of such an attack seemed incomprehensible to Basurin himself, so the topic was not developed. The command of the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine received information that reconnaissance groups of the Canadian special forces “1”, “2” and “3” had moved to the places of basing of the militia of LDNR. The groups were tasked with invisibly penetrating LDNR positions to clean up roadblocks and other military facilities, with the destruction of military infrastructure facilities with a further return back unnoticed. However, the reality turned out to be slightly different than the organizers of the “master class” from the Canadian special forces had planned. Group "1" of 6 people was completely destroyed, presumably in addition to small arms, a heavy machine gun was used. Group "3" of 7 people was discovered when it hit a mined area, and then immediately came under sniper fire. There are 5 people dead; there is no data on the degree of injury to the survivors. Group “2” managed to get to the territory of LDNR unnoticed, however, against the background of what happened with groups “1” and “3”, they received an urgent order to return to their original positions. Immediately upon departure, group 2 consisting of 7 people was discovered, however, she was able to avoid irretrievable losses. Possible losses from the APU when trying to evacuate the body.
        1. 0
          August 7 2016
          Looks like an ordinary tryndezh.
        2. Are
          0
          August 7 2016
          I can’t get rid of the thought that I’m reading a military detective ... Is there any evidence? Or do you have to trust the author?
    2. +2
      August 5 2016
      Quote: Muvka
      If you ask, I’ll delete it. But I can not help but share. Here are the commercial chips that will be produced in our country. //www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/81252/


      Great Breakthrough:
      Angstrem-T Factory is an advanced domestic production of semiconductor products using 90 and 130 nanometer technology


      That's just Intel running on 22nm and even 14nm technologies.
      1. +2
        August 5 2016
        Quote: Nagan
        Quote: Muvka
        If you ask, I’ll delete it. But I can not help but share. Here are the commercial chips that will be produced in our country. //www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/81252/


        Great Breakthrough:
        Angstrem-T Factory is an advanced domestic production of semiconductor products using 90 and 130 nanometer technology


        That's just Intel running on 22nm and even 14nm technologies.

        So what? Now there is an opportunity to earn 90, 130. Read the full news. They’ll earn a little, invest in 45 or 30. For we already have 40 nm in the country. Elbrus 1C or 4C, I do not remember exactly, it is made on it.
        1. 0
          August 5 2016
          Quote: Muvka
          Now there is an opportunity to earn 90, 130
          Is there a demand for this in the world? After all, this thickness is also an indicator of thermal efficiency, and who needs to translate the battery capacity into a spectacular heating of the environment?
          Quote: Muvka
          Make some money, invest in 45 or 30

          But it is necessary to invest in 10 nm or what is now considered promising, because after a couple of years and 14 nm will be considered obsolete technology.
          1. +5
            August 5 2016
            Quote: Nagan
            Quote: Muvka
            Now there is an opportunity to earn 90, 130
            Is there a demand for this in the world? After all, this thickness is also an indicator of thermal efficiency, and who needs to translate the battery capacity into a spectacular heating of the environment?
            Quote: Muvka
            Make some money, invest in 45 or 30

            But it is necessary to invest in 10 nm or what is now considered promising, because after a couple of years and 14 nm will be considered obsolete technology.

            The Angstrem-T factory is an advanced domestic production of semiconductor products using the technology of 90 and 130 nanometers. According to the Gartner analytical company, the share of products manufactured according to topological standards of 90-130 nm. In the world will increase. According to forecasts, from 2016 to 2019, the average growth (CAGR) of technology revenues is 90-130 nm. will be 4,2%. A significant contribution to this indicator is provided by the rapidly developing segment of the Internet of things, the electronic component base of which is based on these technologies. In addition, the company's product line finds its application in the automotive industry, manufacturing and construction automation processes, healthcare, utilities, smart home devices, telecommunications equipment, as well as in the banking sector.
            1. +6
              August 5 2016
              Do not argue with a hamster jerking off on nanometers. He hardly realizes that nanometers are not the main thing in microelectronics.
          2. +9
            August 5 2016
            Quote: Nagan
            But it is necessary to invest in 10 nm or what is now considered promising, because after a couple of years and 14 nm will be considered obsolete technology.

            22 and 14 nm are relevant only crystals with a huge number of transistors. These are memory and processors. And then not all processors have a small lithographic square for the good.
            And for the military and space, 90 nm will not soon become an "outdated technology". For radiation resistance is more important.
            1. +3
              August 5 2016
              Quote: Perun's grandson
              And for the military and space, 90 nm will not soon become an "outdated technology". For radiation resistance is more important.

              Radiation resistance is ensured by the substrate, and more subtle technologies provide low energy consumption and weight, which is extremely important for space and aviation.
              1. +5
                August 5 2016
                Stas

                In this case, the weight does not play a role.

                Nagan is certainly right. He spoke out a little, realizing what affected the national pride of Fursenko’s generation.

                When they talk about 14 or 10 nm. Keep in mind the possibilities of production. And they will find application for the products.

                It is also clear that the Russian Federation has a lag in this area. But for the patriots it’s hard to admit it. And not recognition of his weakness, it is very alarming. Since objectivity is lost. And this is exactly what basic justice is.

                So the world of the Russian Federation, if not corrected with education, will slowly slide into the lower levels.

                And Nagan, of course, is right. And thanks to him that sometimes takes the liberty of saying something not very pleasant.
                1. 0
                  August 5 2016
                  It is also clear that the Russian Federation has a lag in this area. But for the patriots it’s hard to admit it.


                  for cheers-patriots you can always come up with slogans. and engineers just work — they know the ultimate goal.
                2. +1
                  August 6 2016
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  Nagan is certainly right.

                  in classics, it was like a Mauser
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  When they talk about 14 or 10 nm. Keep in mind the possibilities of production.

                  and Intel tells a lot about the production capabilities of 10 nano?
                  It’s a completely telling story for the non-patriots - with which feces, including here, Russia was not watered for the lack of domestic computers, there was a need - they made a domestic computer, and now the most important thing is that it doesn’t even reach the neurapatriots — the cost of a domestic computer is three times higher and apart the very need, what could be a commercial implementation? for now of course, but nonetheless
          3. 0
            August 5 2016
            Quote: Muvka
            Now there is an opportunity to earn 90

            Quote: Nagan
            A need to invest in 10 nm

            and run straight to buy? or crawl out under someone else’s brand? invested in a sold product, IMHO if a dozen provides super-profits - a serial will appear, and this one - an iPhone in general, but they can sell it
          4. 0
            August 5 2016
            Apparently, for you, the top of the development of electronics is a smartphone and laptop. Other applications of electronics, except for gadgets and home Internet, apparently remained beyond your perception.
            1. 0
              August 6 2016
              Quote: Orionvit
              Apparently, for you, the top of the development of electronics is a smartphone and laptop. Other applications of electronics, except for gadgets and home Internet, apparently remained beyond your perception.

              Yes, I’m a simple, mundane person, I don’t fly into space, I earn money for daily bread by programming. Therefore, smartphones and laptops, and even more desktops, are relevant to me. However, if you are flying, I wish you every success.
              hi
        2. +4
          August 5 2016
          Quote: Muvka
          lie at 45 or 30. For 40 nm in our country already. Elbrus 1C or 4C

          Oh, you guys are no longer joking, I really thought that instead of VO I ended up on the "Young Cybernetic" portal. Get out of topic!
      2. +9
        August 5 2016
        I would also like to see our advanced production facilities sprout like mushrooms. Surpassing world analogues at times! But we have what we have. Gradual growth. Before, this was not the case, and I think that the movement is better "or all or nothing. Which in reality rarely works.
        1. +3
          August 5 2016
          It seems they announced the production of 65 Nm in Russia. Flashed somewhere https://m.habrahabr.ru/post/213373/.
          Another interesting news was that some kind of installation was launched on Novgorod Akron to extract rare-earth metals from apatites. The first industrial batch has already been received, GDP came, inspected.
          What is their REM for the technological breakthrough, no need to explain.
          1. 0
            August 5 2016
            Quote: fzr1000
            It seems they announced the production of 65 Nm in Russia. Flashed somewhere https://m.habrahabr.ru/post/213373/.
            Another interesting news was that some kind of installation was launched on Novgorod Akron to extract rare-earth metals from apatites. The first industrial batch has already been received, GDP came, inspected.
            What is their REM for the technological breakthrough, no need to explain.

            To be honest, I have not found where Elbrus-1C + is produced. But 40nm.
            At the same time, it is on the performance of 2-core atlons from 06-07, but eats only 7 watts!
        2. +13
          August 5 2016
          Quote: Nagan
          That's just Intel running on 22nm and even 14nm technologies.

          Quote: fzr1000
          It seems they announced the production of 65 Nm in Russia.

          Quote: Muvka
          To be honest, I have not found where Elbrus-1C + is produced.

          Quote: poquello
          and run straight to buy? or crawl out under someone else’s brand?

          Quote: Stas157
          Radiation resistance is ensured by the substrate,

          Dear Colleagues. hi As a man brought up, I dare to ask you for forgiveness for interfering in your scientific debate. hi Colleagues, we other forum users do not bother you with our comments about the article published above? wink
          1. +3
            August 5 2016
            Discussion of the future of Russian technology is much more interesting than the future of Ukraine, which no one knows. One blablabla.
            I’m not going to offtopic anymore. hi
          2. +3
            August 5 2016
            Quote: vovanpain
            Quote: Nagan
            That's just Intel running on 22nm and even 14nm technologies.

            Quote: fzr1000
            It seems they announced the production of 65 Nm in Russia.

            Quote: Muvka
            To be honest, I have not found where Elbrus-1C + is produced.

            Quote: poquello
            and run straight to buy? or crawl out under someone else’s brand?

            Quote: Stas157
            Radiation resistance is ensured by the substrate,

            Dear Colleagues. hi As a man brought up, I dare to ask you for forgiveness for interfering in your scientific debate. hi Colleagues, we other forum users do not bother you with our comments about the article published above? wink

            I would love to discuss this news in a relevant topic, but alas, newsmen give birth here for a long time and this news will appear, at best, tomorrow.
            1. +1
              August 5 2016
              Quote: Muvka
              I would love to discuss this news in a related topic,
              This is for you +, although otherwise I do not agree with you.
              1. +8
                August 5 2016
                Quote: fzr1000
                Discussion of the future of Russian technology is much more interesting than the future of Ukraine

                Quote: Muvka
                I would love to discuss this news in a relevant topic, but alas, newsmen give birth here for a long time and this news will appear, at best, tomorrow.

                Quote: Nagan
                This is for you +, although otherwise I do not agree with you.

                Colleagues, I completely agree with you and there are very few articles on technology and they come out late. request I apologize again. Regards. hi
          3. +1
            August 5 2016
            Quote: vovanpain
            Colleagues, we other forum users do not bother you with our comments about the article published above?

            Yes "crafty" with both of them and with their "wallpaper". It is unlikely that they all together will remember on which page of the fundamental work of IP Stepanenko "Fundamentals of the theory of transistors and transistor circuits" the effect of modulation of the base thickness of a bipolar transistor (Earley effect) is described.
          4. 0
            August 6 2016
            Colleagues, we other forum users do not bother you with our comments about the article published above ?,
            please do not bother anti-uriapatriots, trampling us into the mud. otherwise they will have a day lost, because they are exceptional, but we didn’t go out with a snout, say something to them. There’s a good saying: chicks are counted in the fall.
      3. +2
        August 5 2016
        That's just Intel running on 22nm and even 14nm technologies.


        By the way, do you know that technologies less than 30 nm give so much defect that the commercial use of the products is called into question. The second point, the capabilities of information technology, has already exhausted its domestic use. It's like building a huge library of one hundred million books, and then you have only ten thousand books. So all the empty space is occupied by a file cabinet. So here, new applications are written that open old ones, they open very old ones, etc. a lot of everything is not needed and not used, but without which modern devices do not work. You can’t make a person take a refrigerator to the mountains, even a small one, but do not care for microchips, everything has been paid for.
        1. +1
          August 5 2016
          And do you know that with a decrease in size by one and a half times the same silicon single crystal can accommodate more than twice as many chips? So somewhere it just goes that way. But marriage is strife. If a 4-core processor does not have 1 or 2 cores, it is flashed to a 2-core processor, for which they are sold.
          And the size reduction also reduces the voltage required for operation, and the consumed current, and as a result heat dissipation. For desktops, this is not very important, but in laptops, phones, and other mobile devices, the battery lasts longer. Well, again, a smaller radiator reduces both the size and weight, and accordingly the cost, i.e. you can lower prices and still stay in profit. So they fought for reduction, they fight, and they will fight while physics allows (I don’t remember how many atoms should be in the transistor, but this minimum exists). But it’s excusable for me not to know - I specialize in software, and hard for me is not even a hobby, so I'm a little interested in so far as.
          Something like that.
          1. +2
            August 5 2016
            But marriage marriage is different


            Marriage has always been. That is, with one silicon wafer, about forty percent of the chips, normal technological marriage. And 90% is not fatal to production. From that always there is a desire to make this plate as wide as possible. This, by the way, is not advertised, equipment manufacturers, from furnaces to photolithography, declare 10-12%. But to achieve such indicators is not realistic. The smaller the size of the elements, the more marriage. It’s hard even to imagine how much material re-texting is needed for a device with 10 nm elements. These are almost molecular technologies. Planar does not pull, the thickness of the photoresist is a hundred times higher. So imagine a cart in the form of a chair high in a skyscraper, on casters from rollers. And all this should go .... From that development leave in biotechnology.
      4. +1
        August 5 2016
        Quote: Nagan
        That's just Intel running on 22nm and even 14nm technologies.

        And it helps them a lot in launching rockets into space?
        1. +1
          August 5 2016
          Quote: V.ic
          Quote: Nagan
          That's just Intel running on 22nm and even 14nm technologies.

          And it helps them a lot in launching rockets into space?

          Until now, I have never met a mention that Intel also launches rockets into space. I learned from you first.lol
          1. +1
            August 5 2016
            Quote: Nagan
            Quote: V.ic
            Quote: Nagan
            That's just Intel running on 22nm and even 14nm technologies.

            And it helps them a lot in launching rockets into space?

            Until now, I have never met a mention that Intel also launches rockets into space. I learned from you first.lol

            Do you think there are no chips in rockets? Although I agree with you that 14 and 22 nm do not fly into space and are unlikely to fly;) If only 100% protection is not invented.
          2. 0
            August 5 2016
            Quote: Nagan
            I learned from you first.

            There is much in the world, friend Horatio, which our sages did not dream of ...
            You consider yourself a cool specialist in software, so tell us that we are uneducated about a bipolar transistor ... well, at least about the saturation mode or about the Earley effect. It would be very interesting to hear the authoritative opinion of a major specialist.
            1. 0
              August 6 2016
              Quote: V.ic
              tell us, uneducated to us about a bipolar transistor ... well, at least about the saturation mode or about the Earley effect.

              Did you get banned from Google and Wikipedia? Again, what you asked is on hardware, and I'm more and more on software.
              lol
              1. +1
                August 6 2016
                Quote: Nagan
                I'm more and more on software.

                Don't worry about it because the "22nm and even 14nm technologies" you mentioned are still "on the topic of hardware".
                I have not noticed:
                "The trouble is, since the pies will start the cobbler oven,
                And boots stitch pastry:
                And it will not work well,
                Yes, and noted a hundredfold "
                I. A. Krilov
  2. 0
    August 5 2016
    There is a lot of IDDO everywhere, and even more so in the West.
    1. -3
      August 5 2016
      avvg

      Here's the thing.

      In Russia, the division of society according to castes due to the level of income as critical as in the West is not so pronounced. All the same, the history of the USSR, where everyone was equal in 98.9% of cases, gives a reminder.

      If we talk about idiots in the west. That must take into account caste. In each caste, the average number of idiots is acceptable. At the same time, one caste cannot be equated with the idiots of others, since these are completely different categories.

      Thus, we conclude that due to the caste nature of the West, the number of idiots there is less than when compared with the Russian Federation where there are only 3 castes. The rich, poor and officials.

      No need for a dumb west. Where the cap system is, people think alike. This is when the social system was, then Zadornov could quite naturally make a career for himself.
  3. +9
    August 5 2016
    What if tomorrow is war, and not with Russia?
    Yes, it would be just happiness. They would immediately surrender to the Geyropeans, and smoothly entered the EU. Just a dream! And no conditions must be met ...
    1. +9
      August 5 2016
      Quote: Jovanni
      They would immediately surrender to the geyropeytsam, and smoothly entered the EU
      - Firstly: what for the neighbors of ALL Ukraine? They, if they take anything, then only "their" historical areas, and the rest of the holot they do not need. In fact, this will be the beginning of the complete collapse of the country.
    2. +3
      August 5 2016
      Quote: Jovanni
      They would immediately surrender to the Geyropeans, and smoothly entered the EU.

      This is the only thing that keeps the West from direct aggression. The yoke, named "Ukraine", is difficult even for the United States, and for anyone else, it is so simply deadly.
      Here comes the "creeping aggression". Which, sooner or later, will either lead to a change in the internal political structure of Ukraine or to its collapse.
      1. +1
        August 5 2016
        Quote: svp67
        This is the only thing that keeps the West from direct aggression. The yoke, named "Ukraine", is difficult even for the United States, and for anyone else, it is so simply deadly.

        They may well take the land without a population, that is, the seizure and subsequent deportation of all those remaining and still alive, or left on slave conditions.
  4. jjj
    -1
    August 5 2016
    In the ring of enemies ...
    1. +1
      August 5 2016
      Quote: jjj
      In the ring of enemies ...

      Enemies in the head!
  5. +11
    August 5 2016
    A strange article ... who needs it - for those, Ukraine has long spread its legs, but who still needs to expand it wider and start waving ... what kind of war is there?
    There was a joke like this:
    The battle is over, the soldiers in the dugout are resting ... then a soldier bursts in, screaming, Brothers! We’re running rather a nurse fuck! It gives everyone everywhere!
    One asks - and in the mouth gives ?. The soldier answers - no, not in her mouth, her head was torn off by a shell !. So is Ukraine. Ugh! Sorry for the fee. feel
    1. +2
      August 5 2016
      Strange article ..


      The article is normal. A strange signature is an expert ... if the girl is an expert, then there are no references to incidents with Romania, both at sea and on land, which occur more than once a month. If you sign in this way, then you should give an invoice in the text and analyze each case separately, and not shuffle common phrases.
    2. +4
      August 5 2016
      Ukraine is just a cheap whore, unfortunately they have always been like that.
      As in the army they said that a crest without a sting, that a woman without a spell.
      In order to satisfy his personal gain, a crest will do much indecent.

      Many things were forgiven to them for friendship, they are brothers, but there is a limit to everything, the beat straightens the consciousness of the lost.
      1. +7
        August 5 2016
        Quote: stas
        Ukraine is just a cheap whore



        No, just an honest crush)) But seriously, today's Ukraine can be compared with 90s Russia. The same devastation in the economy, social sphere, army, in the minds of ordinary citizens was in our country. Our top officials worked not in the interests of the country, but in the interests of the West. Remember the figures? Kozyrev, Koch, Gaidar, Yavlinsky, etc.
        The current Ukrainian authorities launched a war in the Donbass, our alcoholic Yeltsin launched a war in Chechnya, although in both cases it could be resolved peacefully.
        But we were able to recover, were able to survive and become stronger. But whether Ukraine can, I do not know. Wait and see. In any case, tearing Ukraine jackals such as Poland or Romania is not buzzing.
        1. +1
          August 6 2016
          That's right, but we didn’t hate the neighbors and didn’t arrange torchlight processions. In the 90s, we were open to everyone as naive fools, and everyone tore Mother Russia as they wanted ... That's right,
      2. +1
        August 5 2016
        stas

        Enough about Ukraine is bad. The time when Ukraine could and should have been criticized has passed.

        But the time when Ukraine needs to be sorry has not yet come. Therefore, try to be neutral.
        1. +2
          August 5 2016
          Enough about Ukraine is bad


          It's good about the dead, or nothing. "Russian" city of Mariupol ....


          1. +2
            August 6 2016
            ... "Russian" city of Mariupol .... ,,
            Sharia has a video, only in Kiev. Now they have the type: Christ is Risen, Truly Risen.
            the brain is finally broken.
        2. 0
          August 5 2016
          Quote: gladcu2
          Enough about Ukraine is bad

          But what about if half of the relatives are outside Ukraine, if the roots are Ukrainian? To stay aside?
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        5. +2
          August 5 2016
          Puppy died, after all. crying Gerasim Poroshenko tried. laughing
      3. 0
        August 5 2016
        Quote: stas
        beatie straightens the consciousness of the lost.

        You are too harsh. It's easier to shoot right away, so you wouldn't suffer!
  6. +1
    August 5 2016
    Well here, of course, the author bent a little, but as they say, any opinion should be taken into account. If anyone can attack Ukraine, then Poland’s most likely option since the western territories were always under the control of the gentry, there were always graters with each other, uprisings, massacres and persecution against each other. And the Poles have one of the most powerful armies and reserves in Europe.
    1. +2
      August 5 2016
      War rave, alas ..
      http://warfiles.ru/show-125448-esli-zavtra-voyna.html
      But obviously raving is not in Russia.
      This same war is beneficial to the West, or rather the United States, and the empty US-Poroshenko .. why is it all the difference on how to make a penny, on chocolate or the blood of Ukrainians ..
    2. 0
      August 5 2016
      Well here, of course, the author bent a little but as they say


      I tried to go to the source and go into the void ...

      vague doubts torment me ...
      Diana open your face then ... what
    3. +9
      August 5 2016
      Sidekick! 15.46. You can certainly attack the outskirts. But what is the benefit of this? What will they have from this? If you capture the territory, it is easier economically. And so the meaning of the seizure of impoverished lands? There are few men. Women, children, the elderly. Will they be workers or a burden? GDR became part of Germany. While they were apart, they were nostalgic. The Baltic states entered the EU and healed well in its composition !? After all, after the accession of the territory there is an economic burden. Joined the Crimea and went costs. But in Crimea there are people and bases. And on the outskirts of the outskirts? So far, apart from the increase in territory, no one is saying anything about other pluses and minuses.
      1. +4
        August 5 2016
        Quote: 34 region
        Sidekick! 15.46. You can certainly attack the outskirts. But what is the benefit of this? What will they have from this? If you capture the territory, it is easier economically. And so the meaning of the seizure of impoverished lands? There are few men. Women, children, the elderly. Will they be workers or a burden? GDR became part of Germany. While they were apart, they were nostalgic. The Baltic states entered the EU and healed well in its composition !? After all, after the accession of the territory there is an economic burden. Joined the Crimea and went costs. But in Crimea there are people and bases. And on the outskirts of the outskirts? So far, apart from the increase in territory, no one is saying anything about other pluses and minuses.

        The seizure of territories and an increase in holdings in itself is beneficial over time, since it is an opportunity to pump out resources, the ability to develop industries that are not available to the state itself, and getting cheap slave power. Countries that entered the EU such as the Baltic states, for example, led to the outflow of people and the emergence of labor force in other countries, which gave the Germans the same economic growth, and the Baltic economies falling, because they can offer the union nothing except sprats. Others, for example, Poland, became able to become the agricultural center of Europe, their economy is very strong and competitive. So how to look from which side but the potential of the Ukrainian territories is not revealed.
  7. +19
    August 5 2016
    May there be no war of the Young Europeans with Ukraine.
    They just come and take what they want.
    And the current government itself will also present the keys to the once glorious city of Kiev on a satin pillow, if they and Kiev wish to get it.
    The mentality of the current serfs-serfs is not much different from the previous Mazepa, Petliura, Skoropadsky and Bandera: - "Who is stronger is right." They will lie under anyone, relax, and try to have fun.
    1. +1
      August 5 2016
      You forgot about uncles from behind a puddle. Although it is not so with us in Europe, they mess is simply vital. Look at what is happening with the Kostryulevs now with the Poles. And if the guys say face ... this is also an option, and the option for amers is winning. They will not have any kind of mess on our continent - everything is in + In fact, because

      Although at this level of organization, Americans may no longer be capable. And it’s not necessary that they are all muddied. Somehow stupidly behave on the world t.s. arena lately
  8. +2
    August 5 2016
    Yes, no Psheks and other Romanians with troops will go to the nenka, it’s fraught. No matter how much they rush about (we-nata, we-nata), but they clearly understand that then Russia will come to war
    1. +4
      August 5 2016
      Quote: izya top
      Yes, no Psheks and other Romanians with troops will not climb to the nenka, it’s fraught.

      And who needs it? And most importantly, the meaning?
      1. +7
        August 5 2016
        And most importantly, the meaning?

        That's right, doctor. It makes no sense. And why? The Poles and so their othapayut together with the Hungarians, so to speak (through restitution, etc.). I don’t know about the Romanians. The Westerners are throwing money for the "mamalyga" themselves, and then there is still to fight.
        Yes, and the regional committee is not asleep. Vigil so to speak.
      2. +9
        August 5 2016
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        And most importantly, the meaning?

        The point is to restore the western border of the Russian Federation as it was under the Russian Empire / USSR. That is why these "Young Europeans" will like to have a border with Russia.
        And by the way, it would be harmless for the Poles to remember that it was precisely the "bad tyrant and occupier" Stalin who gave them Silesia, Danzig, and Stettin, which never belonged to them. And by the way, in Germany, these lands are also remembered.
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      August 5 2016
      Quote: iza top
      Yes, no Psheks and other Romanians with troops will go to the nenka, it’s fraught. No matter how much they rush about (we-nata, we-nata), but they clearly understand that then Russia will come to war

      laughing When we come, then Mama Do not Cry will begin and we won’t understand ...
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      August 5 2016
      Quote: izya top
      Yes, no Psheks and other Romanians with troops will go to the nenka, it’s fraught. No matter how much they rush about (we-nata, we-nata), but they clearly understand that then Russia will come to war

      According to the experience of previous wars, if forced and asked by partners in NAT, then they will climb, allegedly only "for their own" (Romanians, Hungarians, Slovaks, etc. Finns), but for some reason brought them right up to Stalingrad (probably also at the request of previous European partners like Hitler) and there they raked in full). There must be some kind of historical memory?
  9. +3
    August 5 2016
    The expert, of course, modestly invented the "attack" from the west, or is it just a woman's dreams. Poland, Hungary, Romania and so, sooner or later, but will present their territorial claims to Ukraine.
    "protect Europe from foreign invasion"

    But this, of course, sounds "according to the state" and with a sense of pride in itself, that is, Ukraine, which has been at war with sworn Russia for two years now defending Europe and not sparing its belly. Only after two years Europe finally began to understand how it was being bred by some country called Ukraine.
  10. +4
    August 5 2016
    As small children: there is "exactly a bad guy", that is, Russia. And there are harmless friends for whom even the doors in the hut are not closed. That is, the EU. And then one day, having entered the open door, the friend will remain there. Forever and ever. And with him and the Zhinka and the garden.
  11. +23
    August 5 2016
    you can blame me, but yeah h ... r with them! Personally, my opinion is that we need Novorossia, the Krain maximum within 1938, well, of course, with the south of Odessa and the PMR. The rest - take a walk! Feed 10 Million Westerners
    1. +6
      August 5 2016
      What to minus something? They will come running soon)))
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      August 5 2016
      Quote: maximNNX
      you can blame me, but yeah h ... r with them! Personally, my opinion is that we need Novorossia, the Krain maximum within 1938, well, of course, with the south of Odessa and the PMR. The rest - take a walk! Feed 10 Million Westerners

      Well, part can still be taken away ... Someone has to clear the taiga for airfields and other things ..)))) bully We are there for good performance, we will include their favorite song about Putin
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        August 5 2016
        Cons go without explanation ...)))) I think special dudes are put to me ... minus the guns! bully You’re not lying! soldier
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          August 5 2016
          Good old Hariton avatar changed? wink
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  12. 0
    August 5 2016
    Why this article? For whom?
    1. +2
      August 5 2016
      Quote: iskander491
      Why this article? For whom?

      Well, why not tryndet in the evening under a glass of beer? wink
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  13. +3
    August 5 2016
    The message of the article, "as soon as the central government is shaken, the final phase of the division of this failed formation may begin, it has never been a state, in my opinion, is correct. All the propaganda hype in the Western media is aimed at ensuring that any actions of Russia on prevention of the annexation of the southern Russian territories were perceived as aggression, and not protection of the Russian population.
  14. -1
    August 5 2016
    What does Angstrom have to do with it? Some kind of mess in my head!
    In the garden of elderberry, and in Kiev - uncle!
    We read about the probability of a Western ATO. And here Ukraine will not be weak. Romanians, Hungarians and Poles are falling to the fullest.
  15. +4
    August 5 2016
    Nonsense is complete. So far, there can be no pro-Western government on the outskirts of a war with NATO countries. If they, NATO, need these territories, then they will simply conclude new treaties on the state border. Only what for, this troubled territory is not needed. And parties that may require territories other than Ugorshchina by the influence of zeros. Can you imagine the war of Hungary with the outskirts? How many Hungarians will put in the field? Twenty-twenty-five thousand? And who will go to war? It will be safer to throw idiots into a democratic military coup
  16. +5
    August 5 2016
    Of all the comments to me Arnold Ivanovich with my joke I liked the most laughing good
    Well, about
    What if tomorrow is war, and not with Russia?
    So there the people dream of it. That would declare war on Russia from the east and Poland on the west. They would twist the tail until the evening for decency and then surrender laughing
    1. 0
      August 5 2016
      Do not distort, dear Sergey! I am Ivan Arnoldovich Bormental hi Assistant prof. Preobrazhensky Philip Filippovich hi
      1. +2
        August 5 2016
        Dr. Bormental hi It's nice when a person understands healthy humor. Good evening, dear Ivan Arnoldovich. hiSomething right today you're right on the beat. It's interesting to read.
        1. 0
          August 5 2016
          He returned from vacation, conquered Beshtau (a mountain in the Minvody), he also went to the sea ... that’s in shock))) hi
      2. +1
        August 5 2016
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        I am Ivan Arnoldovich Bormental

        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        Assistant prof. Preobrazhensky Philip Filippovich

        Bitten! On the procedure, and then turn off the Internet! laughing
        1. 0
          August 5 2016
          That's why a stung bear, I'll turn it off for you! am
          1. +1
            August 5 2016
            Quote: Dr. Bormental
            That's why a bear stung

            Doctor! Urgently take Galya With a peridolchik and in a crib wassat
            1. 0
              August 5 2016
              You are an old horse! 67 years old .. my wife has breast size, like your year of graduation - I do not need a dream wassat
              1. +2
                August 5 2016
                Quote: Dr. Bormental
                You are an old horse!

                You are a Siamese camel, Pipa Surinamese, postal elk, Chipmunk chipmunk!
                Quote: Dr. Bormental
                my wife’s breast size, like your year of graduation -

                Is that all for you ?! belay Surely no sleep needed No. While you get around to work, it's time sad wassat
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  17. +3
    August 5 2016
    The scenario of "razderbanivanie" Ukraine, sad as it is to realize, is quite realistic. This state could not appreciate happiness, luck and honor to be united and independent
  18. +8
    August 5 2016
    Strange thing, I read the article and not a single muscle moved. I suddenly realized that if someone of those western neighbors in one way or another shows a desire to expropriate their (their) lands, I won’t move a finger and the thought will not appear outraged. The people who agreed to be nobody - they will be ...
    1. -2
      August 5 2016
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Strange thing, I read the article and not a single muscle moved. I suddenly realized that if someone of those western neighbors in one way or another shows a desire to expropriate their (their) lands, I won’t move a finger and the thought will not appear outraged. The people who agreed to be nobody - they will be ...

      Such a people usually just dissolves ...... But at the expense of land, you are wrong! There is never much earth, old Russian saying! bully
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      August 5 2016
      Quote: avg-mgn
      The people who agreed to be nobody - they will be ...

      This is from Alexander Yakovlevich Rosenbaum:
      "I am a deputy of the Soviet street,
      They gave me a mandate in the attic.
      An old man snoozes on an ancient bench ...
      Who was nothing, he became nothing.
      An old man snoozes on an ancient bench ...
      Who was nothing, he became nothing. "
  19. +3
    August 5 2016
    What if tomorrow is a war, and not with Russia? A war not with Russia is babbling and beating a baby, but with Russia it’s another matter, there can even be a US knockout wink .a about the country nicknamed Ukraine, I generally keep quiet
    1. -1
      August 5 2016
      Quote: Yak28
      What if tomorrow is a war, and not with Russia? A war not with Russia is babbling and beating a baby,

      I think you don’t need to give examples ...))) Indeed, it is ..
      Quote: Yak28
      and about Ukraine, nicknamed Ukraine, I generally keep quiet

      For me this "country" has long ceased to exist ... hi
  20. +3
    August 5 2016
    Quote: stas
    As they said in the army


    Crest is on a post at the tower. Then mother comes to him. She was told at the tower. Well, she went straight. He’s standing for her, I’ll shoot, she’s Grishka, I’m your mother, the axis of pies jumped out. He clap her. He bang - gave a little tag. Russian says to him - what kind of a mother did you kill your mother? And will you like Judas to go to corporal? Crest stroking the strings - Nothing, nothing, soon dad will come. This is a joke from the 50s.
  21. +2
    August 5 2016
    Here! I, too, was tired of the heat, in Khanty - +33 ...! Will save, only the morning (03-00) fishing trip ... Let's get up "on the shore", look around, who is to the west, who is to the east, we will hear a choice mate, from colleagues in the field, we will break into separate "elements", each with its own set - "stick" + "katukha" + bells and whistles .... Heavy river fog, bursts, feverish search for the "necessary" spinner, again, mate ... silence. And, a joyfully obscene cry: "Yes, an infection ....!" Ukrainians, this is happiness ... good It is, of course, male, but nonetheless ... recourse
    1. -2
      August 5 2016
      Quote: ALABAY45
      I, too, was tired of the heat, in Khanty - +33 ...! Will save, only the morning (03-00) fishing trip ... Let's get up "on the shore", look around, who is to the west, who is to the east, we will hear a choice mate, from colleagues in the field, we will break into separate "elements", each with its own set - "stick" + "katukha" + bells and whistles .... Heavy river fog, bursts, feverish search for the "necessary" spinner, again, mate ... silence. And, a joyfully obscene cry: "Yes, an infection ....!" Ukrainians, this is happiness ... good It is, of course, male, but, nevertheless ... recourse

      Well, you are a sadist Alabai ..))))! Today I sent the chief to .., found fault with something .. And I was "carried to heaven" checkmate ... etc ....))) In the explanatory note I wrote that it was hot and there were no conditions for work! I think he realized again that you can't touch me over trifles and fire me too ... wassat
      1. +1
        August 5 2016
        Quote: Chariton
        Today I sent the chief to .., found fault with something .. And I was "carried to heaven" checkmate ... etc ....))) In the explanatory note I wrote that it was hot and there were no conditions for work! I think he realized again that you can't touch me over trifles and fire me too ...

        Vitaly, from a purely human point of view, I envy you, as "Gene Green is untouchable" not only the moderators on the site are afraid of you, but also your immediate superiors, therefore, respect and respect. hi laughing
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          August 5 2016
          Rented, old man, the founding father of the site! By the way, "Gene Green" - turned out to be Russian! True, he was looking for a "Greyvoronsky hiding place in Poltava, in the family estate ... Everyone, the Russian clergy! To one degree or another ... feel
  22. +2
    August 5 2016
    Recall how our grandfathers and great-grandfathers sang ... We will not disgrace them!
    1. -1
      August 5 2016
      Khariton. We will shoot back from the same trench. You are ready.
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        August 5 2016
        Quote: Chisain
        Khariton. We will shoot back from the same trench. You are ready.

        Thank you, of course, for the trust ... But I prefer alone, from a convenient position, with short shots .. I think there will be more sense. soldier
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          August 5 2016
          Well, you will go on reconnaissance, alone.
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            August 5 2016
            Quote: Chisain
            Well, you will go on reconnaissance, alone.

            What do you need ..? Another torpedo
            1. +1
              August 5 2016
              Well, reconnaissance is always needed, especially since you have a helmet. And I don’t.
          2. +2
            August 5 2016
            Quote: Chisain
            Well, you will go on reconnaissance, alone.

            On the exploration, Chisaina, they go for vodka. In the army they go "on reconnaissance". Although, for "divandeks" it is not so important. fool
            1. +2
              August 5 2016
              What, the Gundos, got wild? Will tryndets that, do not get up from the sofas? Even I, fat ass, will get up ...
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                August 5 2016
                Quote: Dr. Bormental
                What, the Gundos, got wild? Will tryndets that, do not get up from the sofas? Even I, fat ass, will get up ...

                Here is a doctor, what should I do ... They all got me, I can’t restrain myself ... Oh, if in pure Russian (it would pour from my heart)))) But you can’t ... Radishes are all of them!
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                  August 5 2016
                  Quote: Chariton
                  They all got me, restrain myself no longer ...

                  Come on together Yes And then the nerves also can not stand recourse How we crave from all our bourgeois = proletarian soul am wassat
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                    August 5 2016
                    Quote: Ruslan67
                    Quote: Chariton
                    They all got me, restrain myself no longer ...

                    Come on together Yes And then the nerves also can not stand recourse How we crave from all our bourgeois = proletarian soul am wassat

                    Litter you ... hi
                    1. +5
                      August 5 2016
                      Quote: Chariton
                      Litter you.

                      You know Vitaliy .... recourse But some who don’t know us may even believe .. You’ll either cover the bread sometimes, or you’ll have to connect admins in everything. You need to know the measure request
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                        August 5 2016
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Quote: Chariton
                        Litter you.

                        You know Vitaliy .... recourse But some who don’t know us may even believe .. You’ll either cover the bread sometimes, or you’ll have to connect admins in everything. You need to know the measure request

                        Will you knock ..? Well, Duc, it’s not scary for me to constantly knock and minus ... But I respected you before Ruslanchik .. Sold! It's a shame the hell .. But I basically will not join one gang on the site! I have always supported them for newcomers and young people and will continue to support them ... Men don’t be afraid, write what you think ...! hi
                      2. +3
                        August 5 2016
                        Quote: Chariton
                        Sold out!

                        Where can I get it? what
                        Quote: Chariton
                        ..And I’m basically not going to join one gang on the site!

                        Have you been invited? tongue
                        Quote: Chariton
                        ..But I respected you before

                        What has changed?
                        Quote: Chariton
                        Will you knock ..?

                        fool
                        Quote: Chariton
                        I have always supported them for beginners and youth and will continue to support them.

                        Are these nuclear weapons in Kiev?
                2. +4
                  August 5 2016
                  Quote: Chariton
                  all, restrain forces no longer.

                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  And come on together. And then the nerves too can’t stand it. As we groan from our whole bourgeois = proletarian soul

                  And we here in Yekaterinburg will not be deafened if at the same time 2 middle-aged farts explode: one in St. Petersburg and the other in Orsk? what
                  Hi, hellie! drinks
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                    August 5 2016
                    Fish are not jammed with "fart" ...! They are caught ..., fish ... When did you, family, last ate fish ?! Hello! hi
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                      August 5 2016
                      Quote: ALABAY45
                      ..You, family, when was the last time you ate fish?

                      When I managed to take this prosun from laughing
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                      August 5 2016
                      Quote: ALABAY45
                      Fish are not jammed with "fart" ...!

                      Quote: ALABAY45
                      They are caught ...

                      Farts ?? belay
                      I will not say anything ... feel
                      Quote: ALABAY45
                      .You, family, when was the last time you ate fish ?!

                      Ate, ate Yes. Have no doubt. And not some kind of pike negative, and a real catfish good. Fershteyn? wink
                      Hi, asphalt thief! drinks
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                        August 5 2016
                        Old man, I confess ...! When this "brute" starts pounding on the PowerPro braid, at No. 5 Meps, I get the feeling that the Russians are right after all ... The pike, of course, is silent ... But I think she shares ... .Average alcoholics! Now, you have nothing to do ...
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                        August 5 2016
                        Quote: Angry Guerrilla
                        I ate, I ate. Have no doubt. And not some kind of pike, but a real catfish

                        belay Caught in Iset? Where am I with my talents, how many did not try to catch salmon in our lake, it does not work ... No. .. Hello eucalyptus mossy drinks !
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                    August 5 2016
                    Quote: Angry Guerrilla
                    And we here in Yekaterinburg will not go deaf,

                    Why do you care? Is he going to talk with Yeti?
                    Quote: Angry Guerrilla
                    Hi, hellie!

                    Was the whole train in the panama slamming the bug? drinks
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                      August 5 2016
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      train in panama

                      Taxidermist's Dream winked .
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                        August 5 2016
                        Quote: Angry Guerrilla
                        Taxidermist's Dream

                        Unrealizable Yes
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                        August 5 2016
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Unrealizable

                        Oh oh This one thought the same way:
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                        August 5 2016
                        Quote: Angry Guerrilla
                        This one thought the same way:

                        Are you talking about a gopher or something that isn't there, but is it? what
                      4. +1
                        August 5 2016
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Are you talking about a gopher or something that isn't there, but is it?

                        La ... Once again:
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                        August 5 2016
                        Quote: Angry Guerrilla
                        ..Again:

                        and the last words of this at the fool: Yes this is a scarecrow! fellow ? laughing
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                      August 5 2016
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      Was the whole train in the panama slamming the bug?

                      Again the site crawls backwards, drunk (he drank with the moderator today ..)))))) Well, Ruslanchik ... I sympathize with you ... heh heh
                      1. +4
                        August 5 2016
                        Quote: Chariton
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Was the whole train in the panama slamming the bug?
                        Again the site crawls backwards, drunk (he drank with the moderator today ..)))))) Well, Ruslanchik ... I sympathize with you ... heh heh

                        I sympathize ..... wassat
                        Right now, Rusya will wake up, and there Yura will add ...
                        "... And away the salon tango started ..."
                        laughing
                      2. +3
                        August 5 2016
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        Right now Rus will wake up,

                        I'm drunk Yes But the combatants soldier drinks
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        and there Yura will add ...

                        Amanita branded bugs recourse
                        Quote: stalkerwalker
                        ... and away we go

                        Yeti about rubbing off sitting on an anthill wassat
                      3. +4
                        August 5 2016
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        I'm drunk

                        belay I was surprised ..., I would say sober, that would be a sensation ..
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        But the combatants

                        bully Are you our combat-ready, are you ready to fight with Miss Universe? Hello clubfoot reptiles drinks !
                      4. +2
                        August 5 2016
                        Quote: Tersky
                        , I would say sober, that would be a sensation ..

                        And would you believe? belay
                        Quote: Tersky
                        not with Miss Universe ready to fight?

                        In any form? what
                        Quote: Tersky
                        Hello clubfoot reptiles

                        Saw a little more Yes Hi drinks
                      5. +4
                        August 5 2016
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Quote: Tersky
                        , I would say sober, that would be a sensation ..
                        And would you believe?

                        Not... No. this is nonsense ...
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Quote: Tersky
                        not with Miss Universe ready to fight?
                        In any form?

                        They are in my opinion in a well-known edition described 64 laughing
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Saw a little more

                        such clubfoot front paws which in such a raskoryachku that the ice fashion polishes, is unlikely ... laughing
                      6. +2
                        August 5 2016
                        Quote: Tersky
                        such clubfoot that the front paws in such raskoryachku

                        look at Ethiopt when he is without a hat laughing
                        Quote: Tersky
                        They are in my opinion in a well-known edition described 64

                        When they wrote this canoe there were no pianos or pendant chandeliers feel
                      7. +4
                        August 5 2016
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        look at Ethiopt when he is without a hat

                        Is it about Eucalyptus mossy or what? laughing , yes he was born with a hat on his head (?) Yes
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        When they wrote this canoe there were no pianos or pendant chandeliers

                        There were lianas and a banana peel, the piano is the instrument of Lieutenant Rzhevsky .. Yes
                3. 0
                  August 5 2016

                  Hariton, brace yourself! Bormental with you)))
                  1. +2
                    August 5 2016
                    But in general, men, let’s wail! drinks Today is Friday ... I've returned from vacation, I'm glad to visit my favorite site and see my favorite "faces" good I missed you, to be honest)) Guys ... I’ll drink for you today ... thank you for being far away, A LIKE NEARBY)) drinks
                    1. +1
                      August 5 2016
                      Quote: Dr. Bormental
                      But in general, men, let’s wail!

                      stop
                      Looks like morality! soldier
                      Quote: Dr. Bormental
                      you kind of far, A LIKE NEAR

                      Yeah feel , our hands are long ...
                      drinks
                    2. -3
                      August 5 2016
                      Quote: Dr. Bormental
                      But in general, men, let’s wail! drinks Today is Friday ... I've returned from vacation, I'm glad to visit my favorite site and see my favorite "faces" good I missed you, to be honest)) Guys ... I’ll drink for you today ... thank you for being far away, A LIKE NEARBY)) drinks

                      Yes, you need a drink .. Nerves to hell became .. Well, guys for us! drinks
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              August 5 2016
              We didn't go, we just stopped the car, at the checkpoint, well, somewhere near Dargo. And we were given 2 (two) bottles of nasty Ossetian vodka, Istok, in square bottles. Here, it was a tribute. Instead of vodka. could be a local cognac. And "on" or "in" exploration is up to my waist. I have the first VUS-106646. Do you know what it is? Although where would you divandek know what it is.
              1. +2
                August 5 2016
                Quote: Chisain
                What, we didn’t go. We just stopped the car, at the checkpoint, somewhere near Dargo. And they gave us 2 (two) booty ugly Ossetian vodka, Istok, in square bottles. Here it was a tribute. Instead of vodka there could be local cognac. On or in, waist-high. I have the first VUS-106646. Do you know what this is?

                Well, Chisaykhan, to begin with, if you didn’t go into reconnaissance, but only robbed Ossetians and Ingush, then you are just a looter, collecting tribute, that is, scum! And your VUS: 106 is military intelligence, and code 646 is a grenade launcher, including the Airborne Forces. But I think ask you a question about the difference between the domes of D-6 and D-10, you are unlikely to say anything other than Ossetian cognac.
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                  August 5 2016
                  vladimgr 1964. Proud nokhchi gave us vodka and cognac ourselves. So that we would not crush them much.
                  I didn’t jump with a parachute. My term began in the autumn of 92, in the reconnaissance of one of the regiments of the 1st Moscow-Minsk. Six months later, in the spring of 93, there were about 80 men, reconnaissance, tank crews, mortar, sappers, from the entire division. cattle truck, sent to defend the southern borders of the CIS.
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                    August 5 2016
                    Quote: Chisain
                    vladimgr 1964. Proud nokhchi gave us vodka and cognac ourselves. So that we would not crush them much.
                    I didn’t jump with a parachute. My term began in the autumn of 92, in the reconnaissance of one of the regiments of the 1st Moscow-Minsk. Six months later, in the spring of 93, there were about 80 men, reconnaissance, tank crews, mortar, sappers, from the entire division. cattle truck, sent to defend the southern borders of the CIS.

                    I will make a reservation right away that I rarely engage in communication with unfamiliar site visitors, but I have to answer. Why? Will explain. You are a disgrace to military intelligence. Most likely this is not your fault, because usually scouts were never placed on blocks. But if it happened to you, this is not a reason to stoop to extortions. As for the "proud Nokhchi", you are simply lying. I grew up and graduated from school in Grozny, I speak both Chechen and Ingush. A Chechen will NEVER give you anything if he has no interest, I mean, the situations you described. That is, you, using Chechen cognac, directly connived at the murders of the inhabitants of Russia in Volgodonsk, Moscow and other cities of Russia.
                    I’m a military intelligence officer. For six years I commanded a linear company, including in the Caucasus, but I never met such frank scum.
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                        August 5 2016
                        Quote: Chisain
                        Well, actually, I don’t have to report to you, D.B., to report, but okay, I had 34 such officer courses in Chita, on the outskirts, near the village of Kashtak. Now I understand that Chekhov’s litter. And we and our 74 brigade, crushed those with whom you were sitting at the same desk. And at the courses they looked at VUSs and asked whether they were infantry or tanks. I said to tanks, I understood after hepatitis.

                        laughing Well, you lied to Chaykhona. C'mon good night. And for rudeness, you have to answer.
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                        August 5 2016
                        Quote: Chisain
                        And where did I lie, and DB Yes, I graduated from the 34th officer courses, the beginning of the courses, Colonel Beloborodov. And that, I once did not hide them. I was a junior lieutenant, and I wasn’t the only one. Those who graduated from normal schools-draped from the army. Not enough tank commanders, motorized rifle and art, platoons. I was offered, and I went. And all that is.

                        Chaykhona, I wished you good night. Well, you restless call at least a year of graduation
                        34 officer courses
                        so that I can really control the situation. For at the moment you are still lying. The fact is that the courses for the training of reserve officers (I mean 2-month courses) fell into oblivion back in 2007, but actually ceased to exist in 1998. But even omitting this fact, let's take into account the following. The main fact of the appeal for such fees was the presence of a specialized civic education. You write that you are like a scout, or who, then courses appear. I was not too lazy to pick up the card index and was surprised again, over the past 9 years, there is not a single order on the assignment of the first officer ranks in the Krasnodar Territory, I mean through the military registration and enlistment office. Considering that such issues are regulated exclusively by federal law, therefore I have to report that you are lying. For at the time of the described "your exploits", taking into account the name of the Ossetian settlement, you performed your "exploits", being still a "type of scout", only in the period from 1992 to 1993. But it was during this period that the assignment of your first officer rank could not be made. You're lying, Chaykhona.
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                        August 6 2016
                        So, I arrived there in 98, from the military unit, but it doesn't matter. The study lasted 10 (ten) months. And you are Krasnodar, what kind of Krasnod? A p.t.i.c. with a nose. This is CHITA, Released in May 1999, as a junior lieutenant. And all that is not clear. Only the "divandek" or the rear rodent-Poodle cannot understand this. Further, my time limit was from 92 to 94, I first served as a scout, but after hepatitis and disinfection, health was not enough, they were transferred to tankers. Already in Chita on courses, they asked where he served, who. Personal file and military ID were reviewed. They offered training, commander of a tank or motorized rifle platoon. I chose tanks, said that I had hepatitis. And everything that can be misunderstood. Most likely you are an Adygean from those who can only be reached through force. I saw such, proud arel ti, right? But I don’t know Dargo in Ossetia. I know Dargo in Ichkeria, not far from Vedeno, or Dyshne,. Vedeno. There is also Tsentoroi nearby. There was our brigade, and then the 228th Sevastopol regiment from Novosibirsk. And I stood there with my platoon and platoon our "makhra" at the checkpoint, By the way, what is a makhra, you know?
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                    2. +1
                      August 5 2016
                      Vladimir! You, take it easy! Take care of yourself hi my advice to you (of the old "heart attacker) You know, people are different ... I, in an hour, go with my nephews and sons to the river ... That's it, happiness ... Tight fog," velvet "sound of the engine, rustling fishing lines, "poke" into the shore .. Spinning rods, landing nets, wanderers, bonfire (fucking ... not needed by anyone, but a tradition!) Stomp of the young generation towards the coastal strip ... Happiness ?! ... Happiness !!! good
                      1. 0
                        August 5 2016
                        Quote: ALABAY45
                        Vladimir! You, in a calmer way! Take care of yourself, my advice to you (the old "heart attacker) You know, people are different ... I, in an hour, go with my nephews and sons to the river ... That's it, happiness ... Tight fog , "velvety" sound of the engine, rustling of the fishing line, "jabbing" into the shore .. Layout of spinning rods, nets, wanderers, bonfire (fucking ... not useful to anyone, but a tradition!) Stomp of the young generation in the direction of the coastal strip .. . Happiness ?! ... Happiness !!!

                        Thanks, Sergey. No fluff or feather, do not forget to send to hell. I envy from the heart, without any negative thoughts. good
                  3. 0
                    August 5 2016
                    Quote: Chisain
                    I didn’t jump with a parachute.

                    You are Chisin, a man without a name, and you could not
                    I didn’t jump with a parachute.
                    , because of
                    regiments of the 1st Moscow-Minsk.
                    is a motorized rifle.
                    Something like this.
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            4. +1
              August 5 2016
              Be careful, colleague! He bobaks from a kilometer, "in the eye", seven liters of melted fat, monthly, promised ... but never delivered! Liar! tongue
              1. 0
                August 5 2016
                A poodle who promised melted fat to you. A crying man. I’ve been in an emergency situation. Let me back to the emergency state. I’m from you the so-called. Tell me how you fought in DRA.S from 79 to 91, but fought so that there’s nothing to close the fat chest with, just some badges.

            5. 0
              August 5 2016
              Quote: Vladimir 1964
              On the exploration, Chisaina, they go for vodka. In the army they go "on reconnaissance". Although, for "divandeks" this is not so important

              - somehow you ... very selectively negative
              - here you are, for criticizing in order to:

              Quote: Chariton
              I prefer alone, from a comfortable position short shots

              - and there are also long shots ... and even protracted ones - there are also laughing

              Quote: Chariton
              What do you need ..? Another torpedo

              Torpedo - a convicted person, carrying out orders of an asset or thieves, relating to measures of physical and psychological impact on someone

              - Nicho is so serve, right? wink
              1. +1
                August 5 2016
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                - and there are also long shots ... and even protracted ones -

                This is only when turtles with snails from the kaaak zoo break!
                1. 0
                  August 5 2016
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  - and there are also long shots ... and even protracted ones -

                  This is only when turtles with snails from the kaaak zoo break!

                  - I also remember this joke Yes
                  - with a truck hi
  23. 0
    August 5 2016
    And I liked the article. In many ways, of course, I disagree with the author, but the idea of ​​the article itself is quite interesting and far from reckless. Ukraine really has certain problems in the field of historical and territorial integrity due to the "artificiality" of the creation of this so-called. state. Moreover, these problems exist with all neighbors.
    1. -2
      August 5 2016
      There is no longer Ukraine, but there is a hotbed of tension between the West and Russia!
    2. 0
      August 5 2016
      Well, and as a catalyst for a big kipish. Who said there is no BU plan? And why is this not an option for our "partners"? And who is now leading our former brothers to the slaughter every day?

      Very convincing
  24. +2
    August 5 2016
    While the attention of all patriots of Ukraine is focused on the "war with Moscow", the western direction is completely defenseless.

    Anecdote from V.V. Putin
    A shepherd grazing sheep - alone. And he wanted to see people.
    He screamed, rustled: “Wolves, wolves!” People from the village came running with sticks and chains. They looked around, at first they were surprised, then they spat and went to their village.
    Time passed and the bored shepherd again shouted: “Wolves, wolves!” People did not come so soon, but came running. Again there are no wolves, again a deception - they cursed the shepherd and went back.
    And soon they hear from a height the voice of a shepherd for the third time: “Wolves, wolves, wolves!” They laughed, waved away the people and did not go - they did not believe. And the wolves, meanwhile, really ran in and ate the shepherd and all the sheep.

    So the country 404 Ukraine yells that it is at war with Russia, and when in fact God forbid Russia will go to / to Ukraine, the West with mattresses may not come ...
    1. +1
      August 5 2016
      Yes, they are waiting for this when the Russian Armed Forces move, then to accuse Russia of aggression. With these shellings, they only wait for her when the Russians get tired of putting up with it.
      Kiev will only be glad to surrender to the mercy of the winners. But the EU and the USA will not drag such a clamp. Therefore, the author’s assumptions will remain only a ghostly option.
      Time plays on Russia and I agree with the author that for Piggy, the war in the Donbass will be a verdict.
      The paradox is that for Poroshenko, a visit to Moscow becomes vital — only the radicals are holding him back. These two poles will tear it apart like a Tuzik heating pad. I will explain why it is vital. IMF (USA) is draining it. There is no money for the heating season (there is no way to do without GDP - it may come to terms, we need a meeting), with energy and electricity, coal and fuel elements (waste) - everything is in the Russian Federation. Harvest is also a problem. Piglets, once seized upon power, are not so stupid and should see how poor the people are and that tomorrow there will be a rebellion that will sweep them away. To run - the West will blame him for everything, undress and put him in prison - you have to blame such a failure and grandmother. How can he stay alive and still maintain power - the main question for him ?! And where can he get the gingerbread for the people, taking into account the fact that if the West gives it, then only to repay interest on loans ?!
      Time is playing on Russia. Ukraine can only draw attention to itself by shelling. But I just think that Ukraine will "freeze" soon. There seems to be no talk about pumping gas into storage facilities. With coal, even the seams - and what after three months. will be!? Last winter was warm - I'm afraid this will be the opposite. The hardest times await Ukraine. And I do not think that Poros has more than a year left in this situation and politics - some will stir up a new coup in order to keep Kiev in the field of their influence. He needs a GDP - no one else will help, but the GDP has room for maneuver (up to the military). And whether Poros VVP is needed - this is another mystery for the most important Svidomo ?! hi
  25. 0
    August 5 2016
    Article + Amer we need a mess here? I need it. What is not an option?

    I’ve been thinking for a long time now that Europe will not trample us from Asia, but from Europe. As usual

    Well, here we are - with slanting eyes, yeah. And to all of them, in the end, the end of another civilization
  26. 0
    August 5 2016
    fishing for the events of recent years, now anything can happen Anytime, Anytime, Anywhere-Even that which in principle can not be ...
  27. -1
    August 5 2016
    Or maybe the truth is to give Ukraine to Poland for a while .. Let history be remembered and who saved them from slavery ..? Such monuments in Poland and not only many ....
    1. +1
      August 5 2016
      Quote: Chariton
      Such monuments in Poland and not only many ....


      Vitaly, do you know to whom and for what a monument was erected in the picture in your comment? When you find out, you will understand why they are molding a good part of the minuses! wink

      (hint: on the horse, Jan III Sobieski over the defeated Turk bully )
      1. -1
        August 5 2016
        Quote: Dym71
        Quote: Chariton
        Such monuments in Poland and not only many ....


        Vitaly, do you know to whom and for what a monument was erected in the picture in your comment? When you find out, you will understand why they are molding a good part of the minuses! wink

        (hint: on the horse, Jan III Sobieski over the defeated Turk bully )

        I am very similar to a Ukrainian. I honestly confess .... Thanks for the info, I'll take into account! And they mold me to the disadvantages, not for that ..)))) I picked my finger there in one place with some "comrades"! ... The stench went! Here they take revenge stupidly and methodically ... Malicious "comrades"! I really love Yakut throat singing and always listen to it for all the minuses and nagging ... Very calming!
        1. +1
          August 5 2016
          Quote: Chariton
          I poked my finger there in one place with some "comrades"! ... The stench went!


          Do not finger there! laughing

          Quote: Chariton
          I really love Yakut throat singing and always listen to it for all the minuses and nit-picking ... It soothes me very much!


          A matter of taste, I am in the old fashioned way, a glass of cognac, including for your health drinks
  28. +2
    August 5 2016
    The current authorities of Ukraine can achieve wars with Russia only by launching on their own initiative a suicidal offensive on its territory or the territories of the self-proclaimed republics in violation of existing agreements. The war in the west can start completely regardless of their (authorities) desires and plans ... What is the nastiest thing in both variants, in the first place, these hohloskakuny pan-headed ones will be to blame, who, having received in the return line, will shout (if there is anyone) "And we are for sho? In the second option, the Russian people, what to pacify them, what to give these young Europeans zvizdyuly, so that we would not go further for these ........... to pay off? Wouldn't these ............... erotic walking routes to E.V.R.O.Zh.O.p.u..
    1. -3
      August 5 2016
      Quote: Olegater
      The current authorities of Ukraine can achieve war with Russia only by launching on their own initiative a suicidal attack on its territory or the territory of the self-proclaimed republics in violation of existing agreements.

      And how are we waiting ... for this! Patience is at the limit .... These bombardments of our cities and towns are provocation, Bandera wait for us to start first and then ... Continue to record everything! Nobody will leave ..
      1. +1
        August 5 2016
        Quote: Chariton
        These shelling of our cities and towns is a provocation


        I don’t know ... what to reward with a plus? What city is our city?
  29. 0
    August 5 2016
    What kind of war is it?
    Maydanchiki came together only to cut Ukraine under the noble slogans.
    We did not miss it "KRYMNASH", and let the West deal with them itself.
    Minsk-2 is also a beautiful slogan.
    It is a pity Donbass and here Russia should be near.
  30. 0
    August 5 2016
    Well, based on Ukrainian fantastic abilities for no less fantastic formulations ... Not only the entire Russian Federation will declare war, but only the Federal District with Crimea as a part. recourse laughing




    And then they will be greatly amazed and displeased. Well, if they have time. laughing
    1. 0
      August 5 2016
      Quote: tanit
      War will not be declared throughout the Russian Federation, but only to the Federal District with Crimea as part of


      Like Aksenov and Poklonskaya they announced an article. Now they don’t know how to close the article. Unless Peter the Ukrainian will issue a decree on clemency.
  31. +1
    August 5 2016
    Jumped the country maydanutye.
  32. 0
    August 5 2016
    Quote: atamankko
    Jumped the country maydanutye.

    Yes, no, they’ve got such a country, the jumpers will die earlier. And here, but let's imagine !!!
    Elections of the President (yes, it is with a capital letter) of Ukraine (yes, it is her)
    And so, your choice:
    - Kars
    -Barracuda
    -Lord of the Sith
    -Romanov
    -Yanukovych
    Against all, Putin is absent.
    laughing
    1. +1
      August 5 2016
      Quote: tanit
      -Romanov

      Definitely good Now I drink vodka with a moderator, and I will be with the President laughing And to hell with her with Ukraine negative Such Ukraine on the world map as in Brazil wild monkeys wassat
    2. 0
      August 6 2016
      No romances, citizenship is not it. Yanukovych also cannot be - did not live the last years in the country. For the same reason, the Sith can also fly. with Barracuda is unknown, and Kars does not have 3 million to pay.
  33. 0
    August 5 2016
    Hello. It's a shame Yes. somehow it doesn’t just happen. My grandfather Kiev took blood shedding in bags. And how to share it, then everyone strives to smear the ration. I think, well, the invaders will come hang out and then they will be politely told from Moscow - a march to the booth! you didn’t smell like that before. And everything will rise as it was. some sort of Gritsko will come out of the caches. he will put on a stolen medal and speak purely Japanese, DAY ...
  34. +1
    August 5 2016
    "The war in the west may begin completely regardless of their wishes and plans ... "...

    Lord ... When will all this nonsense end? Who are you, on ... figs - are needed ??? Tired of all of Europe already worse than the bitter radish ... (in vain offended the radish ... a tasty and healthy product) ...

    If the western regions of Ukraine depart from it, then without any war with the above-mentioned countries ...

    Simply, when Ukraine itself breaks up into shreds, each region will rush to where it seems fatter and sweeter ...
  35. 0
    August 5 2016
    I read a similar article a long time ago. Old fears. Claims from Soviet times to Bukovina, Bessarabia and the memory, Tuzla.
    It is strange that Diana compares the partisans with the Right Sector - I laughed, thanks Diana for the joke. About Russian passports. Well, what's stopping you? In general, the program for the return of compatriots was in effect (temporarily suspended in Odessa), only foreign documents are distributed for Russians.
    The article itself is in the spirit - "Forcing the enemy to look around", to come up with a problem for him. I have read a lot of such articles. Anyway, they did not expect to hit it. And the claims ..
    The most reasonable ones were from the Romanian side. Very simple - the mouth of the Danube. An economically advantageous location. Environmental wars so far. The Romanians are opposed by the Odessa region. And the memory with the Romanians is very good. With them "hybrid" will not work. In general, the Romanians do not shine there in battle, and besides, they also do not burn, except that they complain about us, and we are against them, and they dig and then pay a fine.
    Polish memory is not particularly interesting. They are already using the resources and the human potential there is small. There is little valuable there. Close attention is always paid to the Poles.
    Hungary immediately disappears.
    All this could be dangerous before Crimea and Donbass. But we were hit in the most vulnerable part of the country. His own (that Ukrainians that Russians). And until the war between them ends, there will be little good.
  36. 0
    August 5 2016
    Why fight with them, they themselves will give everything, with such power
  37. 0
    August 5 2016
    “The power of Russia can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia. To do this, you only need to find and nurture traitors among the elite and, with their help, change the self-awareness of one part of the great people to such an extent that they will hate everything Russian, hate their kind, without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time. ”

    “IRON CHANCELLOR” OTTO VON BISMARK
    1. 0
      August 5 2016
      This phrase has already been written down .. bit-broken, exhausted, sucked up and down, ENOUGH! hi
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      1. 0
        August 5 2016
        And it’s better just no one else said
  38. 0
    August 5 2016
    Ukrainians are ossified Russians who are ready to kill even their frau for the idea of ​​the Ukrainian state (wife, note). They are ideal fighters against the Red Army. But after, they are subject to total reorganization, like the most terrible barbarians.

    Michael Wittmann, SS Haupsturmfuhrer

    Nothing has changed
    1. +1
      August 6 2016
      Quote: nrex
      Ukrainians are ossified Russians

      the phrase "Ukrainians are Russians who have become deserted, who, for the idea of ​​a Ukrainian
      Powers are ready to kill even his wife. They are perfect fighters against
      Red Army, but after being subject to total reorganization as the most terrible
      barbarians "- belongs to the executioner of Ukraine - Reichskommissar and Archduke of Ukraine Eric Koch.
      his other phrase is: “I need the Pole to kill the Ukrainian when he meets the Ukrainian, and, conversely, the Ukrainian to kill the Pole. We do not need neither Russians, nor Ukrainians, nor Poles. We need fertile land ”
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  42. 0
    August 5 2016
    Quote: Chariton
    Or maybe the truth is to give Ukraine Poland for a while ..
    Let Westland be taken along with Kiev, I don’t think that anyone will be against it, only the Poles are not idiots.
    1. 0
      August 5 2016
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Or maybe the truth is to give Ukraine Poland for a while ..

      Yeah, throw off everything on the site and give it back, you can also hand over empty bottles at the same time ... laughing
    2. 0
      August 5 2016
      Just not with Kiev, where my mother and brother live nearby. And what are these volosts giving out? So not enough for all volosts
      1. 0
        August 5 2016
        Just not with Kiev, where my mother and brother live nearby. And what are these volosts giving out? So not enough for all volosts


        Nasalika quotes the site "Correspondent":
        An agreement was signed, and when traveling to the United States, a loan agreement of $ 260 million was also allocated for the construction of a dry storage facility for spent nuclear fuel, which will be built in the Chernobyl zone ...


        Take them out of there. And then Nasalik sentenced the Dnieper to the radioactive river.
  43. +1
    August 5 2016
    The war in the West can begin completely regardless of their desire and plans ...

    An unexpected look at the scenarios.

    Although unlikely now, the Washington Regional Committee will be opposed.

    But this is now, and why not tomorrow, as a result of the natural course of things in Ukraine, the processes of self-liquidation of the state and people, the race, which is being eliminated more quickly ....
  44. Erg
    0
    August 5 2016
    First you need to understand what this very Ukraine is. I think so - part - the population of the West (it is not necessary to conquer our own), part of the scumbags (the top of the government, "battalions", the right sector, etc., etc., will be sanitized), a layer of puppies dug up the Black Sea (with them in general no one will be considered), and finally the Russians. Here, I think, "questions" will arise. What will happen? It's hard to say. The strongest leader in the world knows this. All powers have been delegated to him for several years. "From there" ... Let's see.
  45. 0
    August 6 2016
    Diana Mikhailova, independent military expert

    Of course, I understand that everyone has the right to their own point of view, which you can agree with, but you can not, but why sign the conclusions drawn by the ears in such a way. Hmm ...
  46. +1
    August 6 2016
    Ukraine has unresolved territorial disputes with its neighbors: with Poland over Galicia, with
    Romania over Bessarabia and Hungary over Bukovina. For the time being, the question of refund has not yet been directly raised. But this is for now. The pendulum will swing in the other direction, and that's it, the time will come to give. Like Crimea, and then Donbass. There is nothing unreal in this. Yesterday, the head of the DPR Zakharchenko said that if the Ukrainian security forces try to attack the Donbass, they will retreat to Kiev. Few Ukrainians will go to the front line for "Waltzman's Chocolate". The maydanuts and "Vyshyvankavins" frostbitten on their heads for two years of "European happiness" have greatly diminished and the stomach begins to actively win the "European freebie" in the heads of Ukrainians, who simply did not interfere with plunging into their euro dreams to the very "neck".
    So in the near future we will really see what will happen on the territory of the former Ukraine.
  47. 0
    August 6 2016
    Diana Mikhailova is fundamentally mistaken that someone in Ukraine will fight with Russia. Poroshenko's military rhetoric will remain just rhetoric. The Ukrainian "elite" understands perfectly well that in military terms, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are completely zero, and are not suitable for a serious war.
  48. 0
    August 6 2016
    And what does Yushchenko have to do with it. Snake Island went to Romania by the decision of the international court, since it is located on the Romanian shelf. [/ Quote]
    In the same way, according to the decision of the international court (who knows who the judges are), all sorts of Hungary, Poland, Romania, etc. will surrender "their" share. And the Ukrainians will rypnutsya. Kiev scumbags will be thrown a ransom and hello Ukraine. southeast is it?
    1. 0
      August 6 2016
      And who cares? laughing
      No matter what and when, Putin is to blame. hi
      It’s always nice to watch when smart people (get money for this) and not smart ones (they don’t give money, but they are sincere, abyd) merge in the general ecstasy
  49. +1
    August 7 2016
    Empty fantasies - the Young Europeans would not dare to utter a hoot without the will of the United States. It is not in the interests of the Americans to resolve the Ukrainian question and divide Ukraine. They need her for another!
  50. 0
    August 7 2016
    РќР ° СЃР ° РјРѕРј деле - темР° имееет место Р ± С ‹С‚СЊ.
    РЈРєСЂР ° РёРЅР ° РїР ° РґР ° РµС ‚РІСЃС 'ниже ниже Рё ниже. Р 'опредеР»С'РЅРЅС‹ Р№ РјРѕРјРµРЅС ‚, РїРѕРґ Р ± Р» Р ° РіРѕРІРёРґРЅС ‹Рј вредл РѕРіРѕРј венвоЀЋЀЀЀЀЀЀЀвР
    РјРѕРіСѓС ‚Рё прийти РІ гости.
    РћР ± оронять РЈРєСЂР ° РёРЅЅѓ некому. R — RµRјR »Ryo тР° Рј РјРЅРѕРіРѕ.

    Что РѕР ± этом РґСѓРјР ° СЋС ‚РЎРЁРђ - РІРѕРїСЂРѕСЃ отдел СЊРЅС ‹Р№
    Р'РїСЂСЏРіР ° ться Р · Р ° Киев РѕРЅРё С‚РѕС З РЅРѕ РЅРµ стР° РЅСѓС ‚.
    1. 0
      August 8 2016
      Quote: Olezhek
      At a certain point, under the specious excuse, the Hungarians / Poles
      РјРѕРіСѓС ‚Рё прийти РІ гости.
      РћР ± оронять РЈРєСЂР ° РёРЅЅѓ некому. R — RµRјR »Ryo тР° Рј РјРЅРѕРіРѕ.

      Что РѕР ± этом РґСѓРјР ° СЋС ‚РЎРЁРђ - РІРѕРїСЂРѕСЃ отдел СЊРЅС ‹Р№
      Р'РїСЂСЏРіР ° ться Р · Р ° Киев РѕРЅРё С‚РѕС З РЅРѕ РЅРµ стР° РЅСѓС ‚.

      What does harness mean? They will threaten with a finger and all these Hungarians / Poles / Romanians ... will shit together and take on the visor! Remember how they, playfully, forced the Austrians to forcibly land a diplomatic board with the president of a sovereign country! And Austria is "old Europe", not like the Young Europeans, and not even a NATO member!
      So do not fantasize - no one without the permission of the United States will come to visit anyone !!!
  51. 0
    August 7 2016
    Speculation....

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"