Zelenodolsk plant received a contract for the construction of five IRC project 22800

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Greenfield plant them. Gorky signed a contract with the Ministry of Defense for the construction of five small rocket ships of the 22800 project (code "Karakurt"), reports Tatarstan resource BUSINESS Online With reference to the general director of the enterprise Renat Mistakhov.

Zelenodolsk plant received a contract for the construction of five IRC project 22800
Project image of a small rocket ship project 22800

“We signed a contract on 5 Karakurts,” Mistahov told reporters.

The article notes that “IRA" Karakurt "will complement the 21631 project" Buyan-M "produced in Zelenodolsk, which received worldwide fame with strikes from the Caspian Sea at DAISH (ISIL) and later sent on duty to the shores of Syria."

“Meanwhile, the 21631 project was created under the conditions of the Caspian Sea and the lower reaches of the Volga, therefore, the“ Buyanov ”has a small draft and jet propulsion, and“ Karakurt ”(the project was developed by the St. Petersburg Almaz Central Design Bureau) is more navigable. In addition, the Ministry of Defense sees in 22800 a replacement for the 11356 project guard ships, whose construction, in fact, has been thwarted by the termination of engine supplies from Ukraine, ”explains the portal.

It is also reported that the entire military ordered 18 "Karakurtov", seven of which will build the St. Petersburg plant "Pella", another one laid down by the Theodosia enterprise "More."

Resource Help: “The ship’s displacement is 800 t, length is 60 m, width is 10 m, draft is 4 meter. The engines are diesel electric (Zvezda plant), the speed is 30 units, the cruising range is 2500 miles, and the autonomy is 15 days. Like the "Buyan-M", "Karakurt" is a caliber carrier, that is, its main armament is Caliber missiles. It is assumed that the RTOs will go primarily to the Black Sea Fleet. The Karakurtov missiles, if necessary, will reach to any point in the Black Sea, half of the Mediterranean, the Middle East and southern Europe. ”
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  1. KOH
    +27
    3 August 2016 11: 55
    I love when something is being built, erected, reconstructed ... but not broken, bankrupt, liquidated, destroyed ... good news!
    1. +2
      3 August 2016 14: 10
      Really great news!
    2. +5
      3 August 2016 14: 39
      This is an order in addition to five of the same at the Pella shipyard in St. Pittsburgh. And there will be a dozen of them that will cover the whole of Europe and the Middle Sea with North Africa.
  2. +1
    3 August 2016 11: 58
    The news is good, but I would like to know their cost for the budget and their effectiveness as weapons (air defense systems, network-centric capabilities, how much CD it carries).
    1. +19
      3 August 2016 12: 15
      AK-176 in the new case.
      2 AK-630M
      UKKS-8 with calibers.
      2 MTPU - machine-gun installations from pirates.

      Все.

      In armament, this is now a more primitive board than the Toothy Buyan - which Zelenodolsk is building, in addition to:
      A-190 - lightweight 100mm gun as on MAKs.
      1 Duet
      2 bending modules with 6 MANPADS each
      UKKS-8
      2 MTPU

      However, these ships have an enlarged Scorpio hull. And this is originally a marine contour, designed to issue 30 + knots of travel. In Buyan, on the other hand, initially a river-sea punt, plus a speed of 26 knots, but 2 more knots actually fell. Zelenodolsk Design Bureau proposed 21635 with another building, but it was rejected and switched to 22800. Pella is already baking them, here is the lead ship of the entire series laid down in December 2015.
    2. AVV
      +2
      3 August 2016 12: 23
      Quote: uskrabut
      The news is good, but I would like to know their cost for the budget and their effectiveness as weapons (air defense systems, network-centric capabilities, how much CD it carries).

      He carries 8 cr. NK caliber, so it won’t seem a little, and as the GDP said, it’ll get it in the toilet !!!
      1. +2
        3 August 2016 21: 14
        Yes, but neither from the air nor from under the water he is completely naked. In addition, they need to build anti-submarines and something with at least some serious air defense
  3. +12
    3 August 2016 11: 59
    Small bug ... Not that. Small spool, but expensive.
  4. UVB
    +15
    3 August 2016 12: 04
    In addition, the Ministry of Defense sees in 22800 the replacement of patrol ships of project 11356
    With a larger number of Karakurts on strike weapons, it can and will partially replace 11356, but in terms of air defense and anti-aircraft defense this is not a replacement.
    1. -2
      3 August 2016 12: 24
      Quote: UVB
      but in terms of air defense and anti-aircraft defense this is not a substitute.

      In terms of air defense, coastal aviation will be the best defense, since these are ships of the near zone. And PLO? I don’t know if the 91P1 and 91PT2 missiles are brought to mind, and if you put a sonar system on the ships, you will get good near-field PLO ships. But ... I do not know the truth, I do not argue.
      1. +9
        3 August 2016 12: 40
        In order to put a HOOK on an RTO, you need to actually remake the ship, both inside and in the hull, and then with free volumes ... and this is already from the realm of fantasy!
        Now clearly visible "euphoria" from the success of "calibers" in Syria, our military, and not only they, this forum is a very clear indicator of this.
        One "caliber" with RTOs can not solve all problems at sea, it's just utter nonsense!
        I think that our "military futurists" are trying in vain to create a kind of new structure of the fleet, different from the Soviet one, which was very well balanced and brought to perfection over the years!
        No matter how you overdo it with missiles, as in the days of Nikita ....
        1. +9
          3 August 2016 13: 14
          fully support.
          RTOs will never be able to become a full-fledged replacement for the frigate (despite what exactly is indicated in the article). But with calibers, all issues at sea cannot be resolved. Yes, and the air defense / missile defense on the MRK is minimal, which is a problem for the sea ship of our days.
          1. +20
            3 August 2016 13: 30
            Yes, no one is going to change frigates to mrk - these are usually zhurnalyugi not correctly understand the admirals. MRK is a cheap platform for USC and that's it. All that is required of them in battle is to shoot 8 missiles, and then it does not matter what happens to him. In fact, this is an overgrowth missile boat. All that makes it heavier and makes it much more expensive does not make sense. The task in battle is to increase the salvo density of the PKR. In principle, it doesn’t matter what the PKR launches - the destroyer, frigates, or MRK squadron. At the same time, missile launchers are cheaper, they are built quickly and several missile launchers will launch missiles faster than one destroyer.
            Well and the most important thing. If there is a danger of war and a couple of dozen MPCs are laid at several shipyards, then after 2 years they will already be in operation. And if you lay the heel of the destroyers, they will be ready - in 8 years. That is, the war at this point can begin and end while they are being built, and the MRK can be built constantly and 2 years for our shipyards is not the limit. In principle, the construction period can be reduced to one and a half years. As they say - the road spoon for dinner. wink
          2. +4
            3 August 2016 13: 32
            Quote: Sigizbarn
            RTOs will never be able to become a full-fledged replacement for the frigate (despite what exactly is indicated in the article). But with calibers, all issues at sea cannot be resolved. Yes, and the air defense / missile defense at MRK minimumthat for the sea ship of our day is a problem.


            It seems to me that the expansion of the construction of RTOs pursues a slightly different, and maybe the main goal: to circumvent the restrictions imposed on us by the START Treaty, which in reality limits only Russia, and no one else ...

            We have already lost many opportunities in this matter ...

            These RTOs can perform the main function - as a floating platform for cruise missiles, which can hit targets not only on / in the sea-ocean, but also on land ...

            As our sailors of the Caspian flotilla proved ...

            And from the air they will find something to cover ...
            1. +6
              3 August 2016 14: 26
              I categorically agree with you, IMHO several compounds of such RTOs located in the Black, Baltic and North Seas allow, if necessary, to reach targets practically throughout Europe, this is at least a more interesting response to US missile defense bases in Europe than Iskander in the Kaliningrad region. Well, as for the air defense and anti-aircraft defense, who said that these RTOs will go alone in the future, and not as part of an order with larger (universal) ships possessing these anti-aircraft and anti-aircraft defense.
            2. +1
              3 August 2016 15: 44
              and - maybe - the main goal: circumventing the restrictions placed upon us


              I might have missed something, but it seems to me that RTOs are being built first so that it would be possible to maneuver forces (this does not apply to TF and CF) in inland waters, which would allow concentrating forces on one of the fleets. Because as a similar fleet (well, maybe except for the nuclear submarines), today does not own the time and means of the Russian Federation.
              1. 0
                3 August 2016 20: 09
                And this is the same. But the main problem is the lack of a power plant for frigates.
              2. 0
                3 August 2016 21: 20
                The idea sounds interesting, of course, but what is their draft? Will they be able to walk along the Volga, even if the channel deepens?

                Buyans can, but these Karakurts ... well, I don’t know
            3. 0
              4 August 2016 21: 36
              Quote: weksha50
              the expansion of the construction of RTOs pursues a somewhat different, and maybe the main goal: circumventing the restrictions imposed on us by the START Treaty, which in reality limits only Russia,


              I absolutely agree - these are platforms for calibers for Europe and Turks
        2. 0
          3 August 2016 14: 20
          Quote: kepmor
          In order to put a HOOK on an RTO, you need to actually remake the ship, both inside and in the hull, and then with free volumes ... and this is already from the realm of fantasy!

          Well, they somehow got into IPC 1124. And with a range of missiles and torpedoes of 50-60 km, you can probably get by with towed ASGs only. Although I do not say so.
          1. +1
            3 August 2016 15: 01
            1124 was originally designed for a telescoping and lowered GAS.
            It takes a long time to explain, so I will say this - it is very, very expensive and time-consuming to remake even an "empty" MRK hull for IPC - ask any shipbuilder.
            Regarding the towed GAS - everything is correct ... and do not state.
      2. +1
        3 August 2016 13: 33
        Quote: man in the street
        In terms of air defense, coastal aviation would be the best defense

        All airfields have long been marked on the maps of the "potential enemy" due to their high visibility even from satellites. This means that the enemy will try to destroy them in the first place. It will be enough to have one bomb flaring the runway and the aircraft will remain a helpless target.
    2. +1
      3 August 2016 13: 50
      Let's decide - a replacement for what? These ships can’t go with a squadron, but they can completely take out American missile defense systems in Europe or Turkey, as well as cripple such critical defense facilities as airfields, energy and communications centers, these fighters are capable of.
      As for air defense, then, of course, they have minimal self-defense, but at the same time "stealth" is present, plus the dimensions are small. Difficult to find. In places such as Kaliningrad or Sevastopol, air defense cover is present.
    3. 0
      3 August 2016 18: 47
      Quote: UVB
      With a larger number of Karakurts on strike weapons, it can and will partially replace 11356, but in terms of air defense and anti-aircraft defense this is not a replacement.

      This all comes from the misunderstood statement of the commander-in-chief that instead of 3 FR 11356, 18 RTOs 22800 will be built for the Black Sea Fleet.

      That is, "replacement" meant that the Black Sea Fleet instead of some new ships will receive others - and not that MRK / corvettes will become a replacement for frigates.
  5. +1
    3 August 2016 12: 09
    I’m not an expert, but how can I have the same number of calibers on RTOs with a displacement of 800 tons: 8, as on project 11356 with a displacement of 4500 if I’m not mistaken?
    1. +7
      3 August 2016 12: 17
      Yes. But if frigate 11356 - in addition to calibers, carries a whole bunch of everything, from an air defense missile defense system with a detection system, a PLO, a helicopter with a hangar, then an air defense missile system carries only UKKS and nothing more (AK-176 + 2 MZA AK-630 with a minimum of detection means). And let's say 22350 already carries 2xUKSK8.
      1. +1
        3 August 2016 12: 25
        everything is clear with RTOs, the question is, who will fight with the PLO? ... do we have an IPC project ?? .... no .. ((... really, we rely only on aviation ??
        1. 0
          3 August 2016 14: 31
          Quote: gispanec
          everything is clear with RTOs, the question is, who will fight with the PLO? ... do we have an IPC project ?? .... no .. ((... really, we rely only on aviation ??


          After all, we also have submarines, and the Admiralty shipyards bake them at a fairly high pace, as far as I understand, they can also ensure the fight against submarines of a potential enemy.
          1. 0
            3 August 2016 23: 16
            The cat wept for these submarines, unfortunately.
  6. +3
    3 August 2016 12: 11
    Well, once ordered, then they see a need for them. And so - there are orders, that means there is work, there is a salary, also not bad.
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    1. +3
      3 August 2016 12: 22
      BOD - they fix it gradually. Now they are driven here in the seas and not at all (Severomorsk was left alone, Kulakov came to his senses after the trip, Chaban and Levchenko were dismantled for repair. At the Pacific Fleet, Tributs is still under repair, Shaposhnikov only got into repair before 2018 - it will be the first ship to receive a new 2x4 X-35 missile system will be installed behind the hangars).

      IPC 1124 - so the OVR corvette was closed, opened, closed again.
      1. +1
        3 August 2016 13: 34
        Tributs has already come out of repair. There is a video with a report on the repair "Marine assembly. Dalzavod put into operation the BOD" Admiral Tributs "after a complex repair."
        1. 0
          3 August 2016 15: 24
          Well, that means the fleet hasn’t accepted him yet, like in the fall they’ll only put him on the line.
    2. PPD
      +1
      3 August 2016 12: 40
      They did the right thing, that they began to build.
      The OVR ships are sorely lacking, and the cost. Project 11356 strictly speaking is not new,
      they are riveted to quickly replenish the fleets.
      Until the new projects are finished, most of the existing ones will already become outdated. The effectiveness of 22380 "Guarding" is disputed by many. They have been building since 2001, only 4 units are in service. If these MRKs do not build old ships, they will cut, and there will be no new ones. What is better than 10 of these mrk or one "Leader".
  8. +1
    3 August 2016 12: 17
    For the Black Sea, IMHO, that's it. Many, small, and deadly. As well as "Buyans" in the Caspian Sea.
    1. +1
      3 August 2016 12: 26
      Now they are building a series for PF on the PF. Perhaps even for SF with amplification they will order.
      1. 0
        3 August 2016 13: 37
        First, build production facilities on the Pacific coast. And build there. Driving around a ball or piece of iron is a very unproductive task ...
  9. +2
    3 August 2016 12: 19
    Ljubo, God forbid, to bring to the end everything conceived. Always plus such news.
  10. 0
    3 August 2016 12: 21
    One gets the feeling that the emergency mosquito fleet construction program is included, due to the inability to also quickly cost corvettes and frigates. At the same time, the laying of the 22800 project indicates that the modernization of shipbuilding is successful, because these RTOs are the most high-tech products ....
    1. +2
      3 August 2016 13: 37
      Quote: AlexTires
      It seems that a program for the emergency construction of a mosquito fleet was included, due to the impossibility of also quickly costing corvettes and frigates. At the same time, the laying of project 22800 indicates that the modernization of shipbuilding is proceeding successfully, because these RTOs are the most high-tech products ....


      Hmm ... The war, damn it, breathes in the back and back of the head of Russia ...
      So we have included the process that will allow us to increase the combat effectiveness of the fleet with shorter periods, material and production and financial resources ...

      Most likely - somehow ...
  11. +8
    3 August 2016 12: 42
    Undoubtedly, such messages are encouraging.
    Confuses only statements like this:
    The Ministry of Defense sees in 22800 a replacement for patrol ships of project 11356,

    Well, a rocket-artillery ship of the coastal zone with a displacement of 800 tons cannot replace the anti-submarine (multipurpose after the installation of anti-ship missile) ship DMZ. He can only be replaced by MRK.
    1. +5
      3 August 2016 13: 00
      A boa constrictor was simply embossed by a reporter who was far from naval subjects, and this is happening all the time. Go, Vasya, to the factory, chat for half an hour there, and write a dozen lines, a fee of 500 rubles plus round-trip trolley bus fare. laughing
      1. 0
        3 August 2016 14: 42
        It wasn't the reporter who came up with the replacement of 11356 ... this message goes through almost every article on 22800 .. but initially it sounded a little different, "due to the impossibility, at the moment, of the construction of the TFR pr. 11356, the Ministry of Defense is launching a replacement into the construction series MRK pr.22800 "(this is not literally, but close to the text) ... For myself, I have always understood this phrase about replacement as launching a cheap platform for the Kalibr RC, which can be quickly produced and delivered to our Navy, while it is being decided situation with power plants for frigates.
    2. +1
      3 August 2016 13: 42
      Sometimes it happens that the cost of remodeling is compared to the construction of a new one. "Watchmen" are outdated morally and physically.
      We do not know. Maybe a project is already being developed for the possibility of combating submarines? Instead of 11356.
      A "karakurt" only in terms of displacement is 4 times less than "watchdogs". Here you are right - the comparison is incorrect.
    3. 0
      5 August 2016 21: 47
      22800 will not replace the anti-submarine (multipurpose after the installation of anti-ship missiles) ship DMZ, they are being built instead of project 11356.
  12. +6
    3 August 2016 12: 47
    This is not bad, but it would be better to build universal corvettes than RTOs. For Vietnam, they are building it. Why not start building corvettes 22385 there?
  13. 0
    3 August 2016 12: 50
    If someone believes that the RTOs can replace universal missile frigates, then he or the saboteur and in any case in the Ministry of Defense does not belong to him, his place in prison! And under what article to plant him, criminal negligence, or sabotage activity in the territory of the Russian Federation, let the FSB understand this!
  14. +6
    3 August 2016 13: 27
    world famous firing from Of the Caspian Sea by Daesh (ISIS), and later sent on duty to the shores of Syria».


    An interesting thing - you can throw a rocket fist from the Caspian Sea directly to the Arctic or the Baltic. And it does not depend on anyone: all movements along internal rivers and canals.

    The amazing country of Russia is impossible anywhere else,
    1. -3
      3 August 2016 13: 33
      Quote: Aleksander
      An interesting thing is that you can transfer the shock fist of missiles from the Caspian Sea directly to the Arctic or Baltic. And it does not depend on anyone: all movements along internal rivers and canals.

      specify .... where exactly can you transfer along the internal rivers ????? ... above N Novgorod (the area of ​​the town - there’s not enough depth ... there the barges can go with difficulty ... it’s half loaded) ... so not comme il faut !!!
      1. +1
        3 August 2016 14: 09
        For such an extraordinary event, the headwaters of the locks will be raised. Just think, there will be a "rolling blackout" of electricity for a couple of days.
        All the same, power now goes more to light bulbs than to large industries, of which there are so few.
      2. PPD
        0
        3 August 2016 14: 18
        3.25 meters is more than enough. Yes, and you can unload.
        Moreover, they went to the Caspian exactly there.
        1. -2
          3 August 2016 14: 40
          Quote: PPD
          3.25 meters - more than enough

          1 meter 70 centimeters gluyuina .... so what? enough?
          1. PPD
            +2
            3 August 2016 19: 22
            Large vessels pass this place in the morning when they discharge water from the Nizhny Novgorod hydroelectric station.
            The largest vessels are forced to unload to pass this section - sometimes the passage of Gorodets at a large transit fleet can take up to two weeks.
            Although it comes to such critical values. 1,5 meters there is not all the time, do not exaggerate. This is not a cruise ship with a deadline. Although, for the sake of justice, 4 meters did not happen there.
            The moral river also needs to be dealt with. With this they rarely write, for some reason. Until the thunder strikes, we are not baptized. Alas!
      3. -1
        3 August 2016 14: 39
        Quote: gispanec
        Quote: Aleksander
        An interesting thing is that you can transfer the shock fist of missiles from the Caspian Sea directly to the Arctic or Baltic. And it does not depend on anyone: all movements along internal rivers and canals.

        specify .... where exactly can you transfer along the internal rivers ????? ... above N Novgorod (the area of ​​the town - there’s not enough depth ... there the barges can go with difficulty ... it’s half loaded) ... so not comme il faut !!!


        The minimum depth of the Volga-Baltic waterway is 4m. So the strike force can be created not in Kaliningrad, but, for example, in Ladoga.
        1. 0
          3 August 2016 15: 19
          There is GDP (inland waterways) of the Volga-Baltic Canal, together with the Sheksna and Svir rivers, these are only sections of GDP.
          It is about the area above N. Novgorod. We are not talking about others - the Saratov, Volgograd and other reservoirs. They are deep enough.
          In the canals, especially in Vodgo-Donskoy, water is pumped to the top point and from there by "gravity" in both directions ...
          1. -1
            3 August 2016 16: 17
            Quote: Trick Shot
            There is GDP (inland waterways) of the Volga-Baltic Canal, together with the Sheksna and Svir rivers, these are only sections of GDP.
            It is about the area above N. Novgorod. We are not talking about others - the Saratov, Volgograd and other reservoirs. They are deep enough.
            In the canals, especially in Vodgo-Donskoy, water is pumped to the top point and from there by "gravity" in both directions ...


            I did not understand the objections. Is N. Novgorod located between Kaliningrad and Ladoga?
            As for the Caspian-Baltic GDP, no one says that it is available all year round. It is enough to remember that the Volga is freezing. But in May-June it is fully available for "Buyan" -type RTOs (draft 2.6m).
            Something is wrong?
            1. +2
              3 August 2016 16: 55
              The objection is that the minimum depth is measured in the area with the smallest depths. One of such sites in the Gorodets area (raid in front of locks).
              And there he can only reach 4 m in early spring (??)
              Another clarification is that such military vessels were designed with the ability to overtake them, in which case, from one theater of operations to another. Attach to either one of the three fleets and one flotilla ... But navigation to the GDP is not limited to June. At least the beginning of October in the north and the end of November in the Volgograd region.
              Well, the section between Kaliningrad, or rather to designate St. Petersburg, to Ladoga is only a small part of the possibilities for "driving" ...
              1. 0
                4 August 2016 01: 37
                Before opposing, did you try to read your opponent carefully?
                Let me remind you that the conversation began with this.

                Alexander:
                "The most interesting thing is that you can transfer the strike fist of missiles from the Caspian directly to the Arctic or the Baltic. And not depending on anyone: all movements along internal rivers and canals ..."

                They began to object to him, telling what depths on certain sections of the Volga at the end of summer. But this is nonsense, because in the winter the Volga along its entire length is not navigable at all due to ice.
                It is necessary to discuss whether there is a period when it is POSSIBLE what Aleksander spoke about?
                Yes. He is right. In the period from May to June, there is nothing on the Volga or to the north that would prevent the transfer of fully armed Buyan-class ships from the Caspian to the Baltic or the White Sea and back. For this, they were designed.
                If you have any objections, you can, for example, here. Only here are more than two paragraphs of text.
                http://www.vokrugsveta.ru/encyclopedia/index.php
                Any objections left? Then, please, specifically. No blah blah.
                Now the second. About Ladoga.
                I'll be banal. MRK Buyan is a platform for launching sea-based missile systems. This is their main task. In Kaliningrad, they are extremely vulnerable, and in the event of a sudden conflict, they may simply not be able to complete their main task.
                The position on Ladoga in the interior of the Russian Federation under the protection of ground-based air defense systems seemed to me more preferable. What I wrote about. From there, they will definitely have time to shoot in any case.
                And you can get from Ladoga to Reykjavik, Barcelona or Marseille. Oh, beloved Britain to cover - like a bull to a sheep.
                Nothing prevents the transitions from Kaliningrad to Ladoga and vice versa.
                That's all.
      4. 0
        3 August 2016 22: 04
        Quote: gispanec
        specify .... where exactly can you transfer along the internal rivers ????? ... above N Novgorod (the area of ​​the town - there’s not enough depth ... there the barges can go with difficulty ... it’s half loaded) ... so not comme il faut !!!


        I know that the Arctic and the South of Russia are connected by canals and rivers and ships went. Now, I don’t know, but from the Caspian Sea to the Mediterranean Sea RTOs have fallen (VDK)
  15. 0
    3 August 2016 13: 30
    Here I have a question for specialists, as far as I understand, this is a coastal zone machine built using low visibility technology, which naturally implies the absence of any passive protection methods there, and what if some kind of (M) eccentric takes it and installs a DShK on its scooter I’m worried about the crew and all the electronic stuffing of this ship. If there are specialists, explain to me unreasonable how to deal with this.
    1. +2
      3 August 2016 16: 01
      The boat with the DShK MRK is not terrible, it has a radar for detecting surface targets and artillery. Worse is another. RTOs have very weak air defense and practically have no means of anti-submarine defense. RTOs can qualitatively replace a missile boat, but they can never replace a multi-purpose corvette and a frigate that can fight not only with surface targets, but also with good anti-aircraft missiles and anti-submarine weapons.
  16. +4
    3 August 2016 13: 42
    It’s not enough, but oh well, the fact that the contact is already signed is good news, Zelenodolsk residents are building quickly and efficiently
  17. -1
    3 August 2016 14: 53
    Right here they wrote more than once that these ships are a mobile platform for launching the Kyrgyz Republic.
    And they don’t expect more from them. Their task is to go to sea and hold out until they receive a command to launch the Kyrgyz Republic.
    And after that ... but let's not talk about sad things.
    Damn, when will the Pacific Fleet begin to update?
    And then the current parade in Vladivostok was more like a march of disabled pensioners.
    The former gloss is of course visible, but it is also evident that their maximum heroic death during a combat mission.
  18. -1
    3 August 2016 17: 51
    On Wikipedia, it is written about the PLAN to build 18 of these ships, but it will be built 5. Who will say where the information is from, about the plan to build 18 of these ships?
    1. +1
      3 August 2016 20: 13
      Quote: Andrew
      about the PLAN to build 18 of these ships, but 5 will be built

      This particular order for five. The whole series is not mentioned here.
  19. 0
    3 August 2016 21: 01
    http://forums.airbase.ru/2016/08/t91586,41--malyj-raketnyj-korabl-korvet-proekta
    -22800-karakurt.782.h about this project can be read at the professional level of many active officers in the Navy and engineers on this site.
  20. 0
    4 August 2016 11: 53
    Very good news! But where did the information come from about the delivery of 18 such ships? This is written in Wikipedia, I went to other sources and it says about 18 units, but the main prefix "planned" is not official! The only good news is that 4 out of 5 of these ships will go to the Northern Fleet! But about 18 units, it seems not official! Sources write that 5 of these ships will be built in 2022! But time will tell
  21. +1
    4 August 2016 18: 04
    In general, the deadline for the current RTOs is pr.1234. Almost everyone has been over 25 years old, they need to be replaced by anyone. 15-18 pcs. this is precisely the replacement of the existing RTOs pr.1234 and 1239, no more than that, if the number is increased, then we can talk about strengthening the fleet.
    Now 4pcs under construction and 8pcs in the contract, while only 12pcs.
  22. +1
    5 August 2016 08: 27
    Changed "awl" to "soap"? This is not me because 20630 is my thesis project already in 1987? Just "fish for fishlessness and cancer" - something needs to be changed in the heads of our admirals and in the government? In Khabarovsk 1234 was put on the conveyor, now there is no factory! Amur Shipyard "stalled"? The "Tatars" are great, but the "Petersburgers" easily lobby their interests through the "Petersburgers" to the detriment of the Fleet? What is being laid and being built today has already aged 20-30 years ago, but they still need to serve 25 years? In short, unfortunately, while in shipbuilding there is a "blockage" or "sci-fi" projects - reports at the Board of the President of the Shipbuilding Program "on the first Russian AB or atomic EM with the striking power of a cruiser"? One stardust in your eyes - there is still no result: the surface fleet is rapidly aging, there are few "youth" and it is "green"?