Twenty years on the planet will be the main Chinese and Russian

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The Pentagon unveiled a document titled "General Operating Environment 2035" (JOE 2035). This futurological report describes the upcoming changes in the world order that will happen in the next two decades. Pentagon military predict the growing role of China and Russia in the world. The two states will not only compare with the advanced Western countries, but will surpass them.



JOE 2035 was prepared by the US Department of Defense Technical Information Center. According to the provisions of the report, the formation of the world order in its usual form to the West by 2035 will prove to be either extremely difficult or even impossible. In less than 20 years, the United States and its allies will find themselves in a world where the principles of shaping global order will change.

"States whose influence is constantly increasing, for example, China, Russia, India, Iran and Brazil, are increasingly expressing dissatisfaction with their positions, rights and powers in the existing international system," the study channel quotes "RT".

The document notes that Russia will continue to modernize land, air and sea intercontinental nuclear forces and will implement a program of containment measures, including conducting "unexpected nuclear exercises, bomber flights and strategic reconnaissance flights over the United States."

Russia, China, India and some other states are referred to in the report as “revisionist states”: they allegedly will begin to conclude allied treaties, watching how the resources of the West are reduced. The latter will be the factor that will negatively affect the global dominance of Washington.

On the other hand, scientists note that there is currently no such force that would openly oppose the global influence of the United States. And yet the allies and partners of the States are developing now not as quickly as potential rivals. As a result, the world will come to the fact that competing states can begin to challenge the established rules of the game on the planet.

"Moreover, future scientific and technical achievements will lead to a strengthening of parity between players on the world stage and will allow potential adversaries to more effectively challenge the global interests of the United States," the document states.

The forecast of American intelligence officers, united with scientists from twenty countries, indicates a change in world leadership, notes Utro.ru. China will become the most developed country in economic terms even before 2030.

Today, the sphere of influence of the Middle Kingdom is a huge capital that can affect the US monetary system and even shake it. This circumstance allows Beijing to limit its spheres of influence from American attacks.

It is predicted that Asia will exceed both Europe and America in terms of GDP, military spending and investment in technical innovations.

On the other hand, the United States, which, according to the report, will cede world leadership to the Asians, will become completely independent in the energy sector. In addition, due to the significant reserves of hydrocarbons, they can become their exporters.

At the same time, the diminishing capabilities of the United States in military power and economy will force this state to make compromises in foreign and domestic policy.

Scientists believe that the main characteristic of the world economy is the emergence of the leaders of the current developing countries: China, India, Brazil, then South Africa, Turkey, and Colombia.

The effect of climate is also taken into account. The changing climate will lead to an increase in water consumption by 35%, food by 40% and energy - by 50%. The water and food shortages will mainly be felt by the south of the USA, the south of Europe, the Middle East and Africa.

Experts did not ignore the problem of terrorism. Extremists and their supporters may gain access to dangerous technologies, and the number of victims in terrorist attacks may increase. Analysts are alarmed by the likelihood of wars in Asia and the Middle East using nuclear weapons. India and Pakistan are mentioned: only the partnership between the United States and China can resolve the contradictions between them.

Finally, Russia. Experts remind that this particular country every time after the crisis revived, and then pulled ahead, becoming one of the world leaders. The Americans admit that they underestimated the hidden potential of the Russian Federation.

According to analysts, after two decades Russia will become the strongest power in the region. Moreover, economically it will overtake many Western countries. True, the Russian economy, as now, will mainly rely on the extractive industries. The state will plan foreign policy based on the status of a regional leader and focusing on the supply of energy resources to the world market. Hence the prevailing interests of the Russian Federation: they will focus on Eastern Europe and the CIS countries.

In addition, with the growth of the economy, Russia will be able to strengthen its military potential.

And yet, experts do not admit that the Russians will surpass America in military power. Despite the projected recovery of the economy, Russia will still not be able to form a large military budget. And the second reason: the Russian army for quite a long time was in a deplorable state.

And here are some specific predictions. In the future, Moscow will build an updated air component of weapons. Its basis will be Drones with microwave weapons and lasers. Two decades later, the Russians will deploy satellites with intelligence systems, satellites for command and control and build entire networks of communications in space. Finally, Moscow will actively develop means of information warfare. True, Beijing will be ahead of it in this: China will become the leader in the field of militarization of the information space, according to scientists.

What do Western analysts think of the expert report?

German edition contra-magazin.com hints that the Pentagon’s military, promulgating a “visual aid” called “General 2035 Operational Situation”, aimed to focus on the real reasons for the aggressive US foreign policy.

Given the fact that Russia and China will be able to surpass the United States militarily and economically by 2035, US military strategists and influential political circles today insist on international isolation "on the diplomatic, political and economic arena" not only in Russia, but also Of china. In parallel, the report makes it clear why the United States is not limited to isolation, but also trying to "find as many allies in the Asian region." Probably, in the future, these allies may become something of a "cannon fodder". This is the case if the “war against both states” initiated by the Americans (“für einen Krieg gegen die beiden Staaten”), that is, China and Russia, begins.

Thus, the 2035 General Operational Situation is indeed a “visual aid”, from which Washington’s true geopolitical motives can be understood.

At the same time, we add, the expert report shows that in the United States they no longer see in Russia that country that once lost in the Cold War. The American establishment and military analysts do not even admit that Moscow will listen and listen to an "uncle from the West" just as it did under the "democratic" Yeltsin. True, Russia is still assigned the role of a raw materials appendage, even if it is stronger. But the same experts admit that the era of total US domination is coming to an end. At the same time, the world order that the West has shaped over the past few decades is coming to a final.

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    1. +34
      August 4 2016
      The general message of this research is to give money so that this does not happen ..
      1. Dam
        +12
        August 4 2016
        In mattress, Vanga’s business lives and wins
        1. +9
          August 4 2016
          That they would all be measured, they won’t understand that not everything is measured by money, so their road to non-existence.
          1. +4
            August 4 2016
            the article is really morning.ru
          2. +2
            August 4 2016
            Quote: cniza
            That they would all be measured, they won’t understand that not everything is measured by money, so their road to non-existence.

            Money affects everything.
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      2. +20
        August 4 2016
        Scientists believe that the main characteristic of the world economy is the emergence of the leaders of the current developing countries: China, India, Brazil, then South Africa, Turkey, and Colombia.

        Brazil , Turkey, South Africa and Colombia laughing - Yes, not in a parallel, but rather in a perpendicular universe
        Climate impact is also taken into account. A changing climate will increase water consumption by 35%, food by 40% and energy by 50%. Water and food shortages will mainly be experienced by the southern United States, southern Europe, the Middle East and Africa

        Well, Africa, I can still understand, but how sideways did the USA and Europe get into, but didn’t get there - Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, the Philippines?
        Given the fact that Russia and China will be able to surpass the United States both militarily and economically by the 2035 year,

        Fact? Is this a fact?
        Well, the next question is backfilling - why is the author sure that China is an ally of Russia?
        China has never been an ally to anyone and never will be - China has always been on its own
        . But the same experts admit that Russia still plays the role of a raw materials appendage, albeit a stronger one, that the era of undivided US domination is coming to an end. At the same time, the world order that the West has formed over the past few decades is also approaching the finale.

        Started for health, ended for peace.
        Article minus, such experts for a causal place and to the museum.
        The flock is weak and more suitable for Murzilka.
        1. +18
          August 4 2016
          Quote: atalef
          and Colombia

          Sanya is healthy! But in vain you laugh, it’s profitable to trade cocaine, if you manage to conquer new markets with constant sales, then Colombia will become one of the richest countries. Cocaine is not oil, the prices of which are constantly supplied. Coke is a stable high income smile
          1. +16
            August 4 2016
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Cocaine is not oil

            This is a substance that allows the inhabitants of a country to make it (the country) great, even in their brains. smile
            1. +2
              August 4 2016
              Quote: Vladimirets
              This is a substance that allows the inhabitants of a country to make it (the country) great, even in their brains.

              The neighbors managed without any substances, and according to the report, there is a clear decrease in qualifications, most likely even a drop, of Pentagon analysts.
          2. +7
            August 4 2016
            Cocaine after the Americans destroyed the Colombian cartels, banx mexes, the cortel Sinaloa and Los Zetas, so that, on drugs, the Colombians will not rise. and yes, coke has a steady income, but here everyone is killed by American warriors who are pulling military heroes from Asia, but it is still cheaper, and the volumes can not be compared.
          3. 0
            August 4 2016
            The authors of the report have a consistently high-quality income wassat Looks like they already packaged a couple of packages.
          4. -1
            August 4 2016
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Sanya is healthy! But in vain you laugh, it’s profitable to trade cocaine, if you manage to conquer new markets with constant sales, then Colombia will become one of the richest countries.

            Hey . Sanya, if Colombia rises on coke and becomes the most powerful - then the rest should turn at least into a bunch of stoned drug addicts
            laughing
        2. +3
          August 4 2016
          Quote: atalef
          a backfill question - why is the author sure that China is an ally of Russia?

          Not an ally but a neighbor in Eurasia, the rest are islands and peninsulas, without opinion and identity. In addition, the acre of shelling of peaceful Soviet tractors with vertical take-off, there were no serious disagreements in the entire history of the existence of two ancient continental powers. Of all our neighbors, Russia did not fight only with China, even there was a 6 day war with Persia, the Allies forced hi
          1. +9
            August 4 2016
            "Russia did not fight only with China" Nu, Nu!
            In March 1652, near the Achansk prison (not far from present-day Khabarovsk), the first ever military clash of the armed forces of China and Russia took place. A total of 2100 Cossacks opposed the combined army of the Manchu and local tribes of 206 warriors. The Russians won a landslide victory. They lost 10 people killed, the enemy - about 700.
            At the beginning of 1685, Emperor Kansi issued an ultimatum decree, demanding that the Russians “return to Yakutsk quickly, which should serve as the border.” More than 15 thousand soldiers and 150 guns were concentrated in Aiguni. Most of these forces in mid-June approached Albazin and began his assault. The garrison, commanded by governor Alexei Tolbuzin, totaled only 450 people without a single gun. The enemy was not able to take the fort by storm, but the garrison was not able to withstand a long siege. Tolbuzin agreed on the free admission of his people, including children and women, to Nerchinsk (a city in the present Chita region). Over 600 people were evacuated there. As soon as the Qing troops left Albazin, the Nerchinsk governor Ivan Vlasov took measures to return the prison. By the end of August, Albazin again became Russian. In the spring of 1686, Kansi ordered his troops to capture both Albazin and Nerchinsk. In July, the five thousandth enemy army with 40 guns again approached Albazin, whose garrison was a little more than 800 people (including peasants).
            At the very beginning of the siege, Tolbuzin died from the Chinese core, and Athanasius Beighton took command. The Russians made active sorties, causing serious damage to the enemy. However, reinforcements constantly approached the Manchus, and by October their number reached 10 thousand. Russians by April remained in Albazin about 150 (combat losses did not exceed 100 people, but more than 500 died from scurvy). Nevertheless, the garrison did not give up, and the Manchus, having lost more than 2,5 thousand people, were forced to start negotiations (an embassy from Moscow arrived in Beijing, sent back in late 1685). In May 1687, enemy troops retreated from Albazin.
          2. +11
            August 4 2016
            In May 1900, Austria-Hungary, Great Britain, Germany, Italy, Russia, USA, France and Japan sent their troops to China. On August 1, Beijing was taken by them, the besieged embassies were released. Allied casualties totaled 84, including 21 russian. After that, Russia, unlike its allies, was drawn into a real war - the Manchu war.
            In 1898, Russia, under concession conditions, began to build the China-East Railway (CER) through Manchuria, with which it was possible to “cut the corner” on the way from Transbaikalia to Vladivostok. Russian engineering and technical personnel totaled more than 300 people, security guards, consisting mainly of Cossacks, by mid-June 1900 - about 5 thousand. All of them became targets of the attack of the “boxers”. With heavy losses, the Russians made their way to Harbin, the main city of the CER. The territory of Russia itself was also attacked. On July 2, Chinese artillery opened fire on Blagoveshchensk; on the night of July 4-5, a Chinese detachment with 18 guns crossed the Amur River near the mouth of Zeya.
            The situation is difficult. More than 90% of the Russian army were in the European part of the country, the Trans-Siberian Railway has not yet been built. The limited forces of the Russians were to defend their own territory and save the besieged Harbin. It was necessary not only to mobilize reservists, but also to distribute weapons to the population. In the course of further events, the overwhelming superiority of the Russian troops over the Chinese in combat training was clearly manifested. The Russians, significantly inferior to the enemy in numbers, did not lose a single battle. September 18, Mukden (Shenyang) was taken, which generally meant the end of the active phase of the war. The total losses of Russians in China killed, died from wounds and missing from the summer of 1900 to the spring of 1901 reached 565 people. It is difficult to assess the Chinese losses, but it is obvious that they exceeded ours at least 10 times. In 1924, the Chinese Eastern Railway transferred from the exclusive property of Russia to the joint property of the USSR - and China. Note that by the end of the 20s, not everyone could answer the question "What is China?" The country was divided among themselves by the so-called militarists, that is, generals (now they would be called field commanders), who, using weapons, almost uncontrollably led individual provinces and subordinated to the central government at best, de jure. In particular, the militarists in Manchuria felt very free. The situation was aggravated by the permanent power struggle between the Communists and Kuomintang. The USSR - actively supported the former, the authorities of Manchuria - the latter. In May 1929, the Chinese captured the CER and arrested the Soviet railway technical personnel - more than 200 people. Peace talks ended, so plainly and not having begun. I had to fight.
            The Mukden army of the Manchu militarist Zhang Xuelian totaled up to 300 thousand people. Of these, more than 130 thousand were concentrated on the border with the USSR. The number of the Special Far Eastern Army (ODVA) under the command of V. Blucher amounted to 18,5 thousand people, that is, 7 times less than that of the enemy. However, there were 14 ships in the Soviet Far Eastern (Amur) flotilla, and 11 in the Chinese Sungaria flotilla.
            The war, which lasted a little longer than a month (from October 12 to November 20, 1929), unfolded in full accordance with the traditions of the Russian-Chinese wars. The Far East Fleet and the Far Eastern Flotilla inflicted a crushing defeat on the Chinese. Soviet troops irretrievably lost 281 people, the Chinese lost at least 2 thousand killed and more than 10 thousand prisoners. The Far Eastern flotilla, without losing a single ship, completely destroyed the enemy Sungaria flotilla. On December 22, an agreement was signed in Khabarovsk, restoring the pre-war status quo of the CER.
            I think it is not worth mentioning about Damansky.
            Here you have not fought!
        3. +3
          August 4 2016
          On the conscience of Dude.
          The American report does not have all of this.
          1. +5
            August 4 2016
            Quote: voyaka uh
            On the conscience of Dude.
            The American report does not have all of this.

            But then they will write here on the site in the comments - the Pentagon itself believes that Russia will become the strongest power. Dude normally throws so into the formation of distorted public opinion.
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        5. +4
          August 4 2016
          Regarding the "friendship" and "allied" relations between Russia and China, these relations will continue as long as the United States is strong and is China's rivals;
        6. 0
          August 4 2016
          Quote: atalef
          Well, Africa, I can still understand, but how sideways did the USA and Europe get into, but didn’t get there - Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, the Philippines?


          By GDP - (1) China, (2) USA, (3) India, ..., (6) Russia, (7) Brazil, ..., (26) Pakistan, ..., (31) Colombia ......, (37) Bangladesh ...

          India and Pakistan are, so to speak, "illegitimate" owners of nuclear weapons ...
          India, in addition, has only a little less population than China ...
          And the armed forces are developing with might and main ...
          1. -2
            August 4 2016
            Quote: weksha50
            By GDP - (1) China, (2) USA, (3) India, ..., (6) Russia, (7) Brazil, ..., (26) Pakistan, ..., (31) Colombia ......, (37) Bangladesh ...

            What year is your data for? belay
            Quote: weksha50
            India and Pakistan are, so to speak, "illegitimate" owners of nuclear weapons ...
            India, in addition, has only a little less population than China ...
            And the armed forces are developing with might and main ...

            Well ?
            1. 0
              August 4 2016
              Quote: atalef
              What year is your data for?



              June 2016 of the year ...
              1. -3
                August 4 2016
                Quote: weksha50
                Quote: atalef
                What year is your data for?



                June 2016 of the year ...

                More like a fairy tale - drop the link

                Data for April 2016 - Could it all have changed so quickly? laughing
                https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%81%D1%8
                2%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D0%92%D0%92%D0%9F_(%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0
                % BD% D0% B0% D0% BB)
                1. +2
                  August 4 2016
                  in terms of GDP (PPP), this is how it is - (1) China, (2) USA, (3) India, ..., (6) Russia, (7) Brazil, ..., (26) Pakistan, .. ., (31) Colombia ......, (37) Bangladesh ..
                  1. -2
                    August 4 2016
                    Quote: gringo
                    in terms of GDP (PPP), this is how it is - (1) China, (2) USA, (3) India, ..., (6) Russia, (7) Brazil, ..., (26) Pakistan, .. ., (31) Colombia ......, (37) Bangladesh ..

                    In which universe?
                    Give a link? After the fall of the Chinese exchanges and the devaluation of the renminbi, with what fright does it come first? By the way, Russia no longer has the 6 place for more than 2 years - for well-known reasons - the main of which is the devaluation of the ruble
                    1. +4
                      August 4 2016
                      the link that you put up. at the bottom of the page. The link to your GDP shows the nominal GDP without regard to price parity, and at the bottom of the page is a link to GDP (PPP), be careful. but it turns out funny. wink
                    2. +2
                      August 4 2016
                      Quote: atalef
                      In which universe?


                      There, as of July 1, I already indicated: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1% 81% D1% 82%

                      D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D0%92%D0%92%D0%9F_(%D0%9F%D0%9F%D0%A1)

                      And here at another universe The USA is in 1st place, China is in second place, and Russia is in 10-12-13th ...
                      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%81%D1%82%
                      D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D0%92%D0%92%D0%9F_(%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%B
                      D% D0% B0% D0% BB)

                      Question: who to believe?
                2. +1
                  August 4 2016
                  Quote: atalef
                  More like a fairy tale - drop the link


                  Honestly, fed up with the requirement of these links ...
                  As I knew, I also wanted to make a bookmark ... Is it difficult for anyone to watch in the same Wikipedia country?

                  Это - на 1 июля: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%81%D1%82%
                  D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D0%92%D0%92%D0%9F_(%D0%9F%D0%9F%D0%A1)
        7. 0
          August 4 2016
          I understand that they can write off Europe from your accounts? Those. The Yusovs have completely written off their colony as the center of some kind of influence.
      3. +4
        August 4 2016
        The US Department of Defense continues the arms race, citing mythical threats from Russia and China.
        1. +11
          August 4 2016
          China may become the leading country in the world. To this end, he makes every effort: he raises the level of education, builds infrastructure and easily shoots stolen officials of any rank. But Russia is unlikely, especially while the Chubais are in power and the President personally praises the rule of Yeltsin.
    2. +1
      August 4 2016
      Yes, Russia is protesting and leaping forward after the crisis, so let's isolate it. We will make her a deep crisis so that she breaks forth. Well done strategists, keep it up!
      1. +3
        August 4 2016
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Yes, Russia is objecting and leaping ahead after the crisis

        Can you give a couple - three figures confirming your opinion?
        1. +2
          August 4 2016
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Yes, Russia is objecting and leaping ahead after the crisis

          Can you give a couple - three figures confirming your opinion?

          I wrote about the historical perspective, and not about the current situation. At present, we do not mind, but immerse ourselves, thanks to the liberals and their masters.
    3. +19
      August 4 2016
      Well, it’s clear with the Chinese, but where does Russia come from? What is this thinking based on, how is the technological breakthrough predicted? Social unification or restoration of at least the USSR similarity? Restoration of financial sovereignty? As I understand it, the visiting slogan of an energy superfood power will bring to the top? Or global will climate change solve the brain problem?
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      2. -2
        August 4 2016
        Quote: apro
        ? What is the basis of this thinking, how is the technological breakthrough predicted? The unification of society or the restoration of at least the likeness of the USSR?

        Was the USSR an economic superpower? And in what?
        1. 0
          August 4 2016
          E minusers, so what was the USSR an economic power in? Or nothing to answer wassat
          1. +12
            August 4 2016
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            E minusers, so what was the USSR an economic power in? Or nothing to answer

            minus not mine, but the USSR was a really strong economic power, it was just that the main funds were spent on feeding hundreds of dependents all over the planet, you know how many debts they forgiven before and after the collapse of the USSR to "allies", and those accustomed to bread for free, quickly turned to us ...
            If the USSR had not been economically strong - if it had not developed space, the nuclear industry, metallurgy and other industries, had not rebuilt half the country after the Second World War - there would have been stupidly not enough money.
            1. +4
              August 4 2016
              Quote: Corsair
              but the USSR was a really strong economic power

              And these eternal critics of the USSR were only able to enrich themselves at the expense of the country and people and parasitize at the expense of other people's labor.
              But then show off above the roof.
              1. +5
                August 4 2016
                Quote: tatra
                And these eternal critics of the USSR were only able to enrich themselves at the expense of the country and people and parasitize at the expense of other people's labor.
                But then show off above the roof.

                For this, they (the government and other money-raisers) do not like Stalin, one can even say they openly hate, for all comparisons of their achievements in comparison with what the USSR achieved during the reign of Joseph Vissarionovich is something in the area of ​​the baseboard.
                1. 0
                  August 4 2016
                  Russia and the whole world, an unprecedented ruler who 100% would serve the state as Stalin.
          2. -9
            August 4 2016
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            E minusers, so what was the USSR an economic power in? Or nothing to answer wassat

            There is nothing request
          3. +2
            August 4 2016
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            E minusers, so what was the USSR an economic power in? Or nothing to answer

            in the world, in economics, science, technology, and even in s / s - we will consider by periods or take a word? Yes, what can you refute?
        2. +1
          August 4 2016
          Very correct question. The alliance threatened the entire Western world with thousands of missiles - and was a laughing stock in terms of living standards. And the standard of living was not evenly distributed: in the Baltic states, in the Caucasus and Ukraine they ate three throats - and the Russian regions sucked their paws.
          1. -4
            August 4 2016
            Quote: Basarev
            Very correct question. The alliance threatened the entire Western world with thousands of missiles - and was a laughing stock in terms of living standards. And the standard of living was not evenly distributed: in the Baltic states, in the Caucasus and Ukraine they ate three throats - and the Russian regions sucked their paws.

            Well, yes, everyone ate, but Russia was in poverty, it was such a psychology that led to the collapse of the USSR. I’m 44, I remember the 80s when, in the early 80s, under Brezhnev, food cards for butter, meat and cheese were introduced in Armenia. , instead of going on vacation somewhere to their vacation, we went to Moscow for goods.
            1. +1
              August 4 2016
              Vardapet, on VO, there is such a "propyssor". And as they say in your Caucasus, he will be ok.L.Ya.t until the end of time. Here, this propysor cried that when he lived with his parents in Armenia, then he often did not have enough milk, there was no milk in Armenian dairy shops. So the poor propysor grew up, rickets, figuratively speaking. And you, Vardapet, probably lived with this propysor in the neighbors.
              1. -1
                August 4 2016
                Quote: Chisain
                Vardapet, on VO, there is such a "propyssor". And as they say in your Caucasus, he will be ok.L.Ya.t until the end of time. Here, this propysor cried that when he lived with his parents in Armenia, then he often did not have enough milk, there was no milk in Armenian dairy shops. So the poor propysor grew up, rickets, figuratively speaking. And you, Vardapet, probably lived with this propysor in the neighbors.

                I am personally not acquainted with a forum member from Israel under the nickname Professor, but from his comments I know that he lived in the former city of Leninakan, now Gyumri, and that it was difficult to get milk, so he told everything, as it is, in lines for milk I stood for more than one hour. So not only Russians were in poverty, although what I’m talking about, you wrote that your grandfather was the director of the timber industry enterprise in Siberia and left you a good legacy.
                1. +2
                  August 4 2016
                  Yes, my grandfather left me some rifles and carbines. He also left me knowledge of the taiga, here I am already a teenager in 90 (ninety) years, before the collapse of the USSR, I earned 7 (seven) thousand rubles. I worked on an equal basis with adult men in the same forestry enterprise, producing furs for the USSR.
                  1. -1
                    August 4 2016
                    Quote: Chisain
                    Yes, my grandfather left me some rifles and carbines. He also left me knowledge of the taiga.

                    well, hello, Dersu Uzala ... so this is what you are, in reincarnation ... (why did you choose a name for yourself: "devil", "devil" or just "unclean"? in dialects, it translates in its own way ... but the essence is filthy.
                    1. +1
                      August 4 2016
                      And who are you, red jacket.
                      1. +1
                        August 4 2016
                        Quote: Chisain
                        And who are you, red jacket.

                        don’t poke, you’ll break your finger ... do you know the profile? Can you read? read ...
                        1. +3
                          August 4 2016
                          As you poke yourself, then nothing. And as he is poked, immediately resentment. The person hides, is afraid, probably, stumbled.
                        2. +1
                          August 4 2016
                          Quote: Chisain
                          As you poke, then nothing.

                          rightly so.
                          Quote: Chisain
                          .Person hides, afraid, probably stumbled.
                          Unlike you, I don’t hide your name ... but you, your face on the "avatar"?
                2. +2
                  August 4 2016
                  Quote: wardapet

                  I personally do not know a forum member from Israel under the name Professor, but I know from his comments that he lived in the former city of Leninakan,

                  Unlike you, Oleg, he never insulted Russia, did not belittle it in any way, and always supported it as best he could, by the way, at VO, he has long been positioned as an "expert", and often gives comments that are sensible, and not "dummies" like yours ... let's have a little more respect for each other.
                  1. +3
                    August 4 2016
                    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                    Quote: wardapet

                    I personally do not know a forum member from Israel under the name Professor, but I know from his comments that he lived in the former city of Leninakan,

                    Unlike you, Oleg, he never insulted Russia, did not belittle it in any way, and always supported it as best he could, by the way, at VO, he has long been positioned as an "expert", and often gives comments that are sensible, and not "dummies" like yours ... let's have a little more respect for each other.

                    Andrey Yuryevich, if I write that food cards were introduced in Armenia in the 80s, then I do not denigrate Russia, I just answer a forum member under the nickname Basarev, who wrote here that the outskirts of the USSR were fattening, while the Russian Federation " Leaving my comment, I wanted to show that it was about the same throughout the country, although my mother visited relatives in Estonia in 1990, when the Union was very bad with goods and was shocked in the literal sense of the word by the abundance of goods in Estonia ...
                    1. +1
                      August 4 2016
                      Quote: wardapet
                      Andrey Yuryevich, if I write that in the 80s, food ration cards were introduced in Armenia, then I do not denigrate Russia, I just answer a forum member under the nickname Basarev, who wrote here that the outskirts of the USSR were fattening, while the Russian Federation " curled up "

                      Uv.Arsen, I am grateful to you for the intelligent appeal to your opponent, (learn colleagues!) Here "Basarev" is wrong, and I am responsible for every word, I lived this time. And I know that it was not easy, yes, often arriving in the neighboring republics seemed easier there, it’s cheaper there, budding from the Union has already started, we bought "self-lacing" sneakers in Armenia, the quality is not worse than the "Adidas" ones, because we saw how they sew, the Armenians are excellent shoe makers, they will do anything by hand , and qualitatively, I have many friends among them, I know what I'm talking about, who are unlucky, they are not real Armenians. They are anxious and sincerely worried about the quality. "Adidas" and "Puma" are not a standard for them, but rather competitors. Say what you want, and it will be. Possibly expensive, but this is not consumer goods, but haute couture. We have lost in the face of each other, more than we gained ... what do you say Uv.Arsen?
                      1. +2
                        August 4 2016
                        I completely agree with you, dear Andrei Yurievich, the collapse of the Union is a tragedy that hit all the peoples living in its vast expanses. With the collapse of the USSR and the Armenian footwear industry went cold, there was no huge market for it - the Soviet Union.
                        1. -1
                          August 4 2016
                          Quote: wardapet
                          I completely agree with you, dear Andrei Yurievich, the collapse of the Union is a tragedy that hit all the peoples living in its vast expanses. With the collapse of the USSR and the Armenian footwear industry went cold, there was no huge market for it - the Soviet Union.

                          Glad we understood each other, peace to your home Arsen ... drinks
            2. +8
              August 4 2016
              Quote: wardapet
              Parents, instead of going on vacation somewhere on their vacation, went to Moscow for goods.

              It’s quite Armenian: buy-sell.
              As for butter, in the Malaya Vedenka garrison (about 9 km south of Dalnerechensk, Primorsky Territory), there was no butter in the cap. Therefore, my neighbor and I went to the bus at 7-30 (Solovyovka) and went to take a queue in front of the city department store. The next bus at 8-10 (Rozhdestvenka) was where our wives came with one-year-old kids to get in line. As a result, 900 grams of cream for a family of three. Actually, I didn't eat my ration of butter from the flight-technical canteen for dinner with tea, but between two pieces of bread I carried to my wife. The only time I brought 1 kg. cream from the "Big Airfield" in Khabarovsk. November 25, 1985 Stamped at night in the frost -25 degrees. from Dalnerechensk to Kuks with this oil in a string bag. The train from Khabar arrived at night about an hour with a penny. At three nights I was in the garrison. And you are all "Moscow, Moscow", underfed generation ... Surely the plane Yerevan-Moscow cost at least 30 rubles per seat. Your dad and mom back and forth is already 120 rubles. With the cost of butter at 2 rubles. 40 kopecks. per kilo it was easier for your parents to buy it in a cooperative store at a price of even 4 rubles. per kilogram. Dividing 120 rubles by 4 we get exactly 30 kg. oil without any Moscow. So don't rub our ears, young man! The Armenian SSR did not starve, in contrast to non-black earth Russia!
              1. +1
                August 4 2016
                The article is not about milk, but about future problems. And when 1,5 billion will quietly cross Amur for 25 years, then your daughter will surely be raging a pussy-eyed grandson to you.
                1. +4
                  August 4 2016
                  they’ll come all together, and who will make iPhones ?, but seriously, then your daughter can give birth to you a tanned and hairy granddaughter (judging by the flag). I’m just curious, why will these 1,5 milillards eat pine nuts or mushrooms, probably they have an armored timber and debris stacker (100500 pieces), which means to advance a million kilometers per kilometer.
                  1. +2
                    August 4 2016
                    Sometimes there are articles about Chinese poachers crossing the border of the Russian Federation. They kill all the animals they see, prepare them for export --- bears, snakes, frogs, etc. It is about them that Nostrdamus wrote: "locusts."
              2. 0
                August 4 2016
                My parents were doctors (my father was a surgeon, my mother was a therapist) and had nothing to do with buy and sell, the warehouse manager in the city hospital, where he worked as the head of the surgical department, lived better than us. And he could buy oil if he could get , and I left my comment to show that the outskirts of the Union did not fatten at the expense of someone, and not "complain" about the "plight" situation in the Union.
                1. +1
                  August 4 2016
                  Quote: wardapet
                  And he could buy oil if he could get it

                  Do you want to say that there were no "cooperative" / that is commercial / shops in the Armenian SSR? I have already counted for you that one trip to Moscow for two is equivalent to 30 kg. butter in the "cooperative" store. If you take money for one, then it's 15 kg. at a "cooperative" price. For "technical soldering" I was supposed to be 42,5 grams. butter per day. For 30 days it came out just over 1,2 kg. The real ration of course was less, due to pastries and other sweets.
                  1. 0
                    August 4 2016
                    Victor, if the guardians somehow got, for example, oil, then it was not possible to get new furniture or decent clothes from us, we did not live at that time in the capital of Armenia, and in Yerevan itself the shelves were often empty. there is no purpose to denigrate Soviet times, my father said that in the 60s and 70s the Soviet Union flourished, there were a lot of goods, but because of my age I did not see those times. hi .
                    1. +3
                      August 4 2016
                      Quote: wardapet
                      because of my age, I did not see those times.

                      2016-44 1972 =
                      1985-1972 = 13 YEARS!
                      You were thirteen years old at the beginning of the reign of Moishe Mecheno-Gorbaty, when I took 1 kg from the capital of the Khabarovsk Territory in the military-trade shop of a closed military town. butter at the price of 2 rubles. 40 kopecks. for 1 kg. To buy the same 900 grams of butter in the city grocery store of Dalnerechensk, it was necessary to go with the family to the city on Saturday morning, leaving the youngest (second son born in 1983) in the care of a neighbor. Round trip bus travel for 2 people = 40 kopecks. Purchase of oil 0,9 kg. for 2,4 rubles / kg = 2,16 rubles. Total: the operation "oil" cost 2 rubles. 56 kopecks In the "cooperative" store = the area near the city council, the left corner building near the "Walk of Fame" I would have cost it, taking into account the road for one in 4 rubles. 20 kopecks Your father and mother / two breadwinners per family / worked for you. For my family of FOUR people, I was the ONLY breadwinner, because all relatives lived in "Europe", i.e. in the foothills of the Ural Mountains. So do not "load" the retirees present here with mournful songs to the sound of duduk. It is not necessary to refer to the suffering of the parents, who fed the child with their last strength under the angry howl of the Russians, who stole the last piece of butter from the poor Armenians! Under the Spitak earthquake / imagine! also organized by the Russians !! / each of our units in military unit p / n 32937 unfastened a three-day salary. Well, can you imagine these Russian goons who deducted three-day earnings in favor of the affected Armenians! WHY not a 10-day or at least a month's earnings? This is the gossip of Russopyats that has been spreading rot Armenians since the time of Mesrop Mashtots! feel
                      1. 0
                        August 4 2016
                        Quote: V.ic
                        Under the Spitak earthquake / imagine! also organized by the Russians !! / each of our unit of military unit 32937 unfastened three-day earnings. Well, you represent these Russian rednecks, who deducted three-day earnings in favor of the affected Armenians!

                        what a wretch you are ... we helped brothers, people, just like the Azerbaijanis who were in trouble, in Shamakhi, several times, this differs people from cattle, and people like you are just scum.
            3. +10
              August 4 2016
              Quote: wardapet
              Well, yes, everyone ate, but Russia was in poverty, it was such a psychology that led to the collapse of the USSR.I am 44, I remember the 80s, when in the early 80s, under Brezhnev, in Armenia introduced grocery cards for butter, meat and cheese



              Ahem ... And I am 66 years old ... And I understand perfectly well that you are distorting reality ...
              If we talk about the beginning of the 80s, so in 81-82-83-84 I visited Yerevan (of course, the capital of Armenia), Sukhumi and Tskhaltubo (Georgia-Abkhazia) ... There are shops in comparison with Russian regions (edges-regions) was EVERYTHING ... Well, directly - communism ...

              But after Brezhnev’s death in the fall of 1982, Andropov did not stay long, then sick Chernenko (and there were no cards anywhere else), and then a young tagged devil came - and then grocery cards and various restrictions began ... THROUGHOUT the whole country, and not specifically Armenia ... hi
            4. +7
              August 4 2016
              Quote: wardapet
              Well, yes, everyone ate, but Russia was in poverty, it was such a psychology that led to the collapse of the USSR. I’m 44, I remember the 80s when, in the early 80s, under Brezhnev, food cards for butter, meat and cheese were introduced in Armenia. , instead of going on vacation somewhere to their vacation, we went to Moscow for goods.

              I am 53, and I remember when it was a "rolling ball" in stores, but messages and videos were popping up in independent (regional) news about tons of products dumped in the forest, sausages, chickens, meat, cereals. Friends told about this - long-distance truckers, they were stupidly stopped on the highway "people in black" were escorted to the place of "scrapping" and let go. It was the same with freight cars on the railway. and once we ourselves went to the "delay", during the "rafting" - a railway track passed nearby - we went to the "carrion" to see - 30-40 tons of meat piled up near the track - shock ... the shops are empty! - this is not "collapse" "countries, this is a planned sabotage-IMHO.
          2. +1
            August 4 2016
            Che Moscow lived badly?
          3. +2
            August 4 2016
            Quote: Basarev
            in the Baltic states, the Caucasus and Ukraine they ate three throats - and the Russian regions sucked their paws.

            Paw, in Kalinin and paws didn’t laughing
            1. -1
              August 4 2016
              Quote: atalef
              Paw, in Kalinin and paws didn’t
              Sanya, do not stoop to their level ... hi
        3. +14
          August 4 2016
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Was the USSR an economic superpower?

          This is an unambiguous fact. The economic growth of the USSR was observed from the moment of its foundation to the very moment of treacherous-violent dismemberment. The Soviet Union fell apart not for economic reasons, but because the West, fearing competition from the socialist countries, successfully applied its 500-year practice of colonization to us. He found those pain points by clicking on which Soviet people believed in the heavenly manna of a market economy and voluntarily lost the public property of the USSR, which was the 2nd largest economy in the world. This unprecedented fact will be disassembled in textbooks for another 1000 years. Everything else: the betrayal of the party elite, part of the creative intelligentsia, scientists, artists and journalists only served the main goal, consisting in the expropriation of territory, national money and property.
          One of the most important factors in the collapse of the USSR lies in the phenomenon of the destructive role of the Soviet intelligentsia, which then calmly looked at the deaths of people in numerous civil and interethnic conflicts. Apparently this is a kind of protest against the mission of Lenin's cook. A peculiar perception of the notorious "tears of a child", about which they broadcast with anguish in their research institutes and creative unions.
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And in what?

          Dynamics of GDP in the developed countries of the world for the 1950-1960s, in% to the beginning of the period, taken as 100%
          Countries 1951-1955 1956-1960 1951-1960
          --
          USSR 162 151 244
          USA 124 107 133
          UK 115 110 127
          France 124 127 158
          Germany 154 141 217
          Japan 143 177 253
          ---- Sources: USSR: “The national economy of the USSR. 1922-1982. " Moscow, 1983, p. 91 (the ratio of national income of the USSR and the USA in 1950 and 1960 was 31 and 58 percent, respectively).
          --
          The dynamics of industrial development in the largest countries of the world in the 1950-1960s, in% relative to the beginning of the period, taken as 100%
          Countries 1951-1955 1956-1960 1951-1960
          USSR 152 150 228
          USA 124 117 145
          UK 120 113 135
          France 132 136 180
          Germany 182 133 242
          Japan 211 226 476
          Sources:

          USSR: G.I. Khanin. The dynamics of the economic development of the USSR. Novosibirsk, 1991, p. 146.
          --Change in labor productivity in industry in 1951-1960, in% to the beginning of the period taken as 100%
          Countries 1951-1955 1956-1960 1951-1960
          USSR 122 120 146
          USA 118 114 134
          UK 111 110 122
          France 126 126 159
          Germany 127 120 153
          Japan 192 n.a. n.a.
          --- http: //saint-juste.narod.ru/hanin.htm
          --- http: //www.proza.ru/2009/10/01/311
          Learn please wink
          1. +7
            August 4 2016
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            Learn please

            To grovel about the large-scale development of the USSR in front of the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR is "throwing pearls before ..."
            They have their own low "priorities".
            1. +2
              August 4 2016
              Quote: tatra
              To grovel about the large-scale development of the USSR in front of the enemies of the communists on the territory of the USSR is "throwing pearls before ..."
              They have their own low "priorities".

              So the role of the communist is not only in the fight against enemies, but also in enlightening the "lost" in zombie-PR citizens and attracting the "undecided" to their side.
              Although, I must admit that the government itself is doing everything so that the people can see soon.
            2. +2
              August 4 2016
              Quote: tatra
              They have their own low "priorities".

              They have their own low "priorities", unlike the communists!
              Irina, you have to work!
              Mention about communism / communists should be in your every sentence! Otherwise, Lev Davidovich will dream of you every night, tearing an ice ax out of his head ...
          2. +2
            August 4 2016
            This is a clear fact.

            Nothing like that not a fact.
            You are asked was the USSR an economic superpower, that is, asking about facts. You answer and provide data on the dynamics of development, that is, about TRENDS, that is, about could the USSR become economic superpower.
            To answer this question, you should not provide data on growth dynamics, but on the size of GDP. And the GDP of the USSR did not exceed 60% of US GDP.
            History has refuted your approach, once and for all proving that possibility is not a fact that has happened.
            1. -1
              August 4 2016
              It is not known who the economy was larger, depending on how you look.
              1. +2
                August 4 2016
                Quote: Dulat
                depending on how you look.

                Well, since you are comparing the USA and the USSR, you can watch how it looked officially USA or USSR, look the same ratio of GDP 100: 60
            2. +2
              August 4 2016
              You can minus, you can plus, but 60% is a fact recognized by CCCP.
              It is especially foolish to deny this fact to the Communists, because Marx, Lenin and Stalin taught the facts to recognize, no matter how personally they were unpleasant to you.
        4. +3
          August 4 2016
          Well, if 2nd place in terms of GDP in the world is not an economic superpower, then give evaluation criteria. pzhlsta
          1. +2
            August 4 2016
            Quote: gringo
            Well, if 2nd place in terms of GDP in the world is not an economic superpower

            This is when the gap from the first place is not critical, well, say% 10.
            And so there is one superpower and everyone else.
            In my opinion this is obvious.
            1. +2
              August 4 2016
              Quote: bk316
              This is when the gap from the first place is not critical, well, say% 10.
              And so there is one superpower and everyone else.
              In my opinion this is obvious.

              But in my opinion, this is when "who the hell will twitch" - this is the difference between "superpower" and "just countries" ... not? wink
    4. +15
      August 4 2016
      The United States will try to prevent the Chinese from dominating, unleashing a couple of wars in the region for controversial territories, and supporting Chinese opponents. And in Russia, everything is in our hands. They themselves must, without any Western forecasts, save their economy from collapse. First you need to at least remove Medvedev and other co-workers from the government, replacing them with real experts.
      1. +7
        August 4 2016
        Now you can’t sweep them out of there with a filthy broom, although it is necessary for a long time.
        1. +6
          August 4 2016
          Medvedev commented on the Klyazma Territory of Senses forum about the need for teachers not to complain about a salary of 10-15 thousand rubles, and that for those who want to earn, there are many great places where this can be done “faster and better ". And he added that the modern energetic teacher is able to receive not only the salary "that is laid out to him according to the job schedule, but somehow, so to speak, to earn something else."
          This was stated not by anyone there, but by the prime minister himself, appointed by the president. After such frank cynicism, it is necessary to drive him out of public office. And this one: “Indexation, it’s nowhere to be found, we didn’t accept it at all, there’s just no money now” ... Where is the money, Zin? Is everyone stolen?
          1. -1
            August 4 2016
            Brezhnev said almost the same thing (everyone is stealing something)
          2. +4
            August 4 2016
            so that you are not accused of allegations: from 47 minutes ... really bad with a person ...
      2. +1
        August 4 2016
        If the traffic police takes money, the driver steals gasoline, Iosif Vissarionovich will help the city to drive a Mercedes.
        1. +1
          August 4 2016
          Quote: Hayer31
          Iosif Vissarionovich will help.

          Please do not touch the memory of the great man with your dirty paws! You will not fool anyone with this "pearl". We each have our own point of view on the events of more than half a century ago. The outlook and life experience of the majority and those present / noted by comments on this resource is an order of magnitude higher than how you assess yourself / really /. And what about the stripes you allegedly once had on your shoulder straps, so you need to remember the old army truth = "hhl bez stripes, that 3,14..a bez plugs". Walk to the "censor", there are your "monotonies with one gyrus, and then not in the brains, but between the" musculus gluteus ". There you will find new" friends "and grab a bunch of" likes ".
          "AF # Spill port, GD Em Hm And say hello instead ADF # Aufvidzerzane. Treat-treat your migraine, Change work, gender, atmosphere."(C). DIXI.
    5. +12
      August 4 2016
      The phrase was particularly impressive:
      bomber flights and strategic reconnaissance flights over the United States

      Ie air defense and aviation from the SGA will no longer be? Wow, how I want to scare my electorate ...
      1. 0
        August 4 2016
        Quote: S_Baykala
        The phrase was particularly impressive:
        bomber flights and strategic reconnaissance flights over the United States

        Ie air defense and aviation from the SGA will no longer be? Wow, how I want to scare my electorate ...

        Well, apparently I mean flights in space over the territory of the United States.
    6. +3
      August 4 2016
      Everything is correct. To impose a war and cash in on it. Divide and Conquer. I really hope that their plans will not come true and the instinct of self-preservation will finally prevail among the "cannon fodder". How much can you step on the same rake!
    7. +5
      August 4 2016
      Finally, maybe then a handful of "civilized countries" will stop calling themselves "the whole world", you should be more modest "gentlemen")))
    8. +2
      August 4 2016
      << The German-language edition contra-magazin.com hints that the Pentagon military, which released a "visual aid" entitled "General operating environment 2035", aimed to focus on the real reasons for aggressive US foreign policy. >> The usual forecast, such as give money , otherwise the Russians and the Chinese will eat us.
      << In less than 20 years, the United States and its allies will find themselves in a world where the principles of shaping the global order will change. >> If the Americans do not change their policy, then they will.
      “States whose influence is constantly growing, for example, China, Russia, India, Iran and Brazil, are increasingly complaining about their positions, rights and powers in the existing international system,” the television quoted the study as saying. And with this uncle Sam will have to agree.
    9. +6
      August 4 2016
      Who pays the money, he forecasts and orders ...
      1. +5
        August 4 2016
        Quote: parusnik
        Who pays the money, he forecasts and orders ...

        For such a forecast (in the sense of such a level) - it is necessary to fine.
    10. +1
      August 4 2016
      Hollywood movie-disaster does not want to remove? Or does this not fit into the paradigm of the image of Russians? Perhaps we are to blame for the fact that the latest aircraft carrier was not correctly designed, the F35 is not combat-ready, which in the Western world is sod and gomor. I used to like films produced by them, but now I’m gagging reflexes.
    11. +14
      August 4 2016
      Given the fact that Russia and China will be able to surpass the United States both militarily and economically by 2035, American military strategists and influential political circles today insist on international isolation “in the diplomatic, political and economic arena” of not only Russia, but also China.

      "- I am delighted, said the professor, - all the construction that I saw in the USSR is grandiose. I have no doubt that the five-year plan will be completed. I will write about this.
      About this six months later, he really released a book in which he proved in two hundred pages that the five-year plan will be completed on time and that the USSR will become one of the most powerful industrial countries. And on the two hundred and first page, the professor said that it was for this reason that the Country of the Soviets needed to be destroyed as soon as possible, otherwise
      it will bring natural doom to capitalist society. "
      Ilf and Petrov. "Golden calf"
      1. +5
        August 4 2016
        Which was "successfully accomplished" by a whole bunch of Judas - Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevardnadze, Yeltsin, Kravchuk and further down the list ...
        Burn to all of you in hell !!!
    12. 0
      August 4 2016
      That is still nonsense.
    13. +4
      August 4 2016
      US declining capabilities in military power and economy will force this state to compromise in foreign and domestic policy.

      Well, at least they openly admit that they dictate to the countries of the world their conditions exclusively from a position of strength. The only nail in the ass of the United States today is Russia and China, which can defend their interests, though not as we would like, but over time, everything will fall into place.
      I read the comments. Interestingly, some people have a forecast that Russia and China may become world leaders causes a complete lack of perception of such a forecast with the comments that follow from here.
    14. +1
      August 4 2016
      Why are we so tense? ALL such reports are written FOR INTERNAL USE. For knocking out budget money from Congress. And according to the old Hollywood tradition, writers of such scenarios do not really care about argumentation and credibility. And there’s nothing special to discuss here, about how to discuss the virtues of a science fiction novel.
      1. 0
        August 4 2016
        Are you sure that what is written in the article is in the report of the Pentagon?
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        writers like these don't really care about argumentation and credibility

        Yes, they write such articles on this site.
    15. +2
      August 4 2016
      Quote: atalef
      The flock is weak and more suitable for Murzilka.

      You have gone too far with Murzilka. O. Chuvakin makes good comments on the review of the foreign press. And claims against the authors of the report should probably be addressed to the Pentagon.
      1. 0
        August 4 2016
        Quote: rotmistr60
        And claims to the authors of the report probably need to be addressed to the Pentagon

        The Pentagon report doesn’t.
        1. +1
          August 4 2016
          The Pentagon report doesn’t.

          Why so? Or maybe the report itself is not? You read the comment carefully.
    16. -1
      August 4 2016
      Hmm, so we are so important! But modest!
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    18. +1
      August 4 2016
      Ahah, Russia is in the lead, for such changes to occur that it is unlikely that anyone here will be happy to take part in them. In the meantime, the security forces are in priority in power - https://lenta.ru/news/2016/08/03/zarplati/ - so do not wait for a positive in the field of education and science.
      1. +1
        August 4 2016
        Not the security forces in power, but the little crooks, who, for the sake of a penny, put the country under anyone. The siloviki are just a screen. Only to hide from popular anger.
    19. +1
      August 4 2016
      In ten years, the main on the planet will be Rus or Rusich !! In the meantime, it's all Russian + Ukrainians + Belarusians + Serbs + .....
    20. +3
      August 4 2016
      Let's not deceive ourselves. It is important not to be ahead of the rest, it is important that we live well
      1. +2
        August 4 2016
        The main thing is to keep up with the times - in all sectors.
    21. +5
      August 4 2016
      The original is here:
      http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/concepts/joe/joe_2035_july16.pdf
      If someone can master 52 pages of rather boring text.

      “In two decades, Russia will become the strongest power in the region.
      Moreover, economically it will overtake many Western countries "- but
      this is NOT in the report.

      There is this:
      "It is likely that Russia will continue to use the threat of military power to secure regional
      interests and promote perceptions that it is still a great power "
      "Russia will modernize its land, air, and sea-based intercontinental nuclear forces."
    22. +1
      August 4 2016
      "Analysis" based on an evolutionary model. Has no significant value.

      Problems in the economies of the golden billion can lead to a rapid change in the centers of economic power. At the same time, it is almost unanimously recognized that sooner or later this will definitely happen. This report unreasonably provides the nouveau riche and their burials with 20 years of prosperity, albeit relative.

      The danger of a major war, possibly nuclear, may well lead to a radical restructuring of the whole world, which is not taken into account at all.

      Possession encouraged by the USA terrorists with radiological, chemical, bacteriological weapons, even possibly nuclear ones, can lead to the destruction of entire countries. This is generally the main danger - remember that AUM Senrikyo sprayed sarin in the subway. A radioactive scout in the United States itself managed to create a radioactive infection.

      Climatic, environmental and lack of resources problems can bury the now prosperous without any disturbances.

      So it turns out that the authors of the report, who received baboons for it, poked a finger at the sky; I can poke like that too, give me babos. laughing
    23. +3
      August 4 2016
      Yes, the Russian reader will read it and think: "Aha, America began to reckon with us as with the USSR!" while boiling with pride for the Fatherland. I am like that too. But all these forecasts are designed primarily for the American Congress and the American man in the street with the aim of squeezing out money for the military-industrial complex under the slogan "red threat" (the Chinese are red on the flag, well, we are historically).
    24. +2
      August 4 2016
      Twenty years later on the planet, whites will remain only in Russia wink
      1. 0
        August 4 2016
        laughing

        Yeah; there will be a European Arab Union, or, better, a European Wahhabi Union. laughing

        Afro-Negro States of America, or, better, American Afro-Negro Sodomy (this is a form of state) laughing
      2. +2
        August 4 2016
        Not a fact, it is doubtful with our migration policy.
    25. 0
      August 4 2016
      Ah, what self-flagellation, pin-dos in your spirit - Chef, everything is gone! They are like rats, they will always crap! Believe such yourself do not respect.
    26. +3
      August 4 2016
      There are no particular doubts about China, but about us ... if such a policy in the economy, or rather its absence, continues further, then what will lead us to be a leader? By the number of nuclear missiles?
      1. -2
        August 4 2016
        In agriculture, we will be leaders in the energy and engineering sectors.
        1. +1
          August 4 2016
          And I think we will invent a warp engine and fly to a planet where it is always summer and let these Americans here deal with the Chinese themselves. Please share, on the basis of what data do you think we will become leaders in the agricultural industry and engineering, and for how long? With regard to agriculture - John Deere, New Holland, Fiams - every more or less normal farmer knows these brands. And what do we have ?! Just don’t need about Rostselmash ... The same fiemsi put many pounds of pea processing on its shoulder blades, because the harvester itself not only collects, but also cleans the peas, just drive the car under the grain and cake.
          1. +1
            August 4 2016
            Agriculture is not agricultural machinery.
            1. -1
              August 4 2016
              Well, if only to plow on a horse ... As if all over the world since the beginning of the 20th century, mechanization has been underway, and more recently, automation of agricultural work.
    27. +2
      August 4 2016
      Quote: Tusv
      Of all our neighbors, Russia has not fought only with China,

      But what about the conflict at the Chinese Eastern Railway? Suppression of the "boxing" uprising (in the official sources of the Republic of Ingushetia, called the war), Damansky, in the end?
    28. +1
      August 4 2016
      Lord, let me live!)
    29. 0
      August 4 2016
      Twenty years later
      Well, something like this. Well, maybe a little later, but we will be sure.
      The beginning of everything will be in 20 years. How to start to the end.
    30. 0
      August 4 2016
      They are still ahead, so the United States is furious.
    31. +1
      August 4 2016
      The Chinese are allies, but keep an eye out!
      1. 0
        August 4 2016
        I say this at every party meeting (a joke). They put us like fighting dogs.
    32. -1
      August 4 2016
      Quote: atalef
      Can you give a couple - three figures confirming your opinion?

      http://sdelanounas.ru
    33. +2
      August 4 2016
      "Considering the fact that By 2035, Russia and China will be able to surpass the United States both militarily and economically, American military strategists and influential political circles today insist on international isolation "in the diplomatic, political and economic arena" not only of Russia, but also of China "...

      Hmm ... No matter how patriot I am of my country - Russia - I am forced to say that this analysis and conclusions on it are far-fetched with the aim of leaving Russia in priority as a "world evil" ...

      We just yesterday (or the day before yesterday) at the VO talked about the fact that Russia does not pose an aggressive threat to Europe, and specified the reasons for this ...

      We have huge territories with simultaneously scanty demographics and a frail economy, and that’s it ...
      The population of China is 1/5 of the world's population (20%), in second place is India (17,8), in third place is the United States (4,5%) ...
      Russia is in 9th place (2%) ...

      According to the level of economic development, respectively - (1) USA, (2) China, ..., (9) India, (10) Russia ...

      As you can see, China has a real opportunity to come out on top ... Especially considering the scale of construction of its Armed forces ...

      For the time being, it is far and difficult for us ... I repeat once again: they simply make us "universal horror" in order to justify possible aggression against us in order to seize the coveted territories with raw materials ... Alas ... hi
      1. -1
        August 4 2016
        Quote: weksha50
        According to the level of economic development, respectively - (1) USA, (2) China, ..., (9) India, (10) Russia ...

        As you can see, China has a real opportunity to come first

        you just need to pull yourself up and increase GDP by 70%. laughing
        1. 0
          August 4 2016
          Quote: atalef
          you just need to pull yourself up and increase GDP by 70%.



          Alexander, I already gave the link at the top ... China on GDP - in the first place ...
          And Russia is already in its sixth year for the fourth year, and YOU say that a couple of years it slipped from this place ...
          He also gave you a link, so there’s generally a spread of places in Russia - from 10 to 13 ...
          But where is China in the first for the fourth year, and Russia - in the sixth is also the fourth year - please, I repeat:

          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%81%D1%82%
          D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D0%92%D0%92%D0%9F_(%D0%9F%D0%9F%D0%A1)

          I don’t understand - is it really so good that the former country in which you were born, the lower in the ranking in the economy - the better for you?
          Specifically, why did you start all the boron cheese ???
          I clearly wrote in my comment: I don’t see the possibility in the next 20-25 years of becoming one of the leaders in the economy ...
          But China has this opportunity and he confirms it ...
          What's wrong ???
    34. vv3
      0
      August 4 2016
      The lullaby for idiots is for us, and another argument for securing funding for the arms race is for them.
    35. +1
      August 4 2016
      I summarize - puppeteers with paisas, who turned America into a cesspool, will move to Russia and China by 2035. Although in China I doubt it. It is the Russian liberals who are convulsively selling to other partners Russian industry, mineral resources and land. I hope in China that such a frank betrayal of the interests of the people and the country will not reach.
    36. -2
      August 4 2016
      Quote: PHANTOM-AS
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Was the USSR an economic superpower?

      This is an unambiguous fact. The economic growth of the USSR was observed from the moment of its foundation to the very moment of treacherous-violent dismemberment. The Soviet Union fell apart not for economic reasons, but because the West, fearing competition from the socialist countries, successfully applied its 500-year practice of colonization to us. He found those pain points by clicking on which Soviet people believed in the heavenly manna of a market economy and voluntarily lost the public property of the USSR, which was the 2nd largest economy in the world. This unprecedented fact will be disassembled in textbooks for another 1000 years. Everything else: the betrayal of the party elite, part of the creative intelligentsia, scientists, artists and journalists only served the main goal, consisting in the expropriation of territory, national money and property.
      One of the most important factors in the collapse of the USSR lies in the phenomenon of the destructive role of the Soviet intelligentsia, which then calmly looked at the deaths of people in numerous civil and interethnic conflicts. Apparently this is a kind of protest against the mission of Lenin's cook. A peculiar perception of the notorious "tears of a child", about which they broadcast with anguish in their research institutes and creative unions.
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      And in what?

      Dynamics of GDP in the developed countries of the world for the 1950-1960s, in% to the beginning of the period, taken as 100%
      Countries 1951-1955 1956-1960 1951-1960
      --
      USSR 162 151 244
      USA 124 107 133
      UK 115 110 127
      France 124 127 158
      Germany 154 141 217
      Japan 143 177 253
      ---- Sources: USSR: “The national economy of the USSR. 1922-1982. " Moscow, 1983, p. 91 (the ratio of national income of the USSR and the USA in 1950 and 1960 was 31 and 58 percent, respectively).
      --
      The dynamics of industrial development in the largest countries of the world in the 1950-1960s, in% relative to the beginning of the period, taken as 100%
      Countries 1951-1955 1956-1960 1951-1960
      USSR 152 150 228
      USA 124 117 145
      UK 120 113 135
      France 132 136 180
      Germany 182 133 242
      Japan 211 226 476
      Sources:

      USSR: G.I. Khanin. The dynamics of the economic development of the USSR. Novosibirsk, 1991, p. 146.
      --Change in labor productivity in industry in 1951-1960, in% to the beginning of the period taken as 100%
      Countries 1951-1955 1956-1960 1951-1960
      USSR 122 120 146
      USA 118 114 134
      UK 111 110 122
      France 126 126 159
      Germany 127 120 153
      Japan 192 n.a. n.a.
      --- http: //saint-juste.narod.ru/hanin.htm
      --- http: //www.proza.ru/2009/10/01/311
      Learn please wink


      Oh, these komunyaki) and where did the money go from such a huge GDP that you had to go to other cities for sausages? all went to rockets and subsidies to all wretched blacks! and they tell you that the scoop threatened the world with thousands of rockets, and LIFE was a fortress, so put the plate in yourself ... well, you know) and kiss Lenin for nothing, where would it be) ahah)
      1. +1
        August 4 2016
        Well ... compared to who? in my opinion, millionaires could afford gold toilets and a necklace of diamonds, and the main herd lived just like ours, and in New York, the cops didn’t go to memorable areas like harlem at all, but only stood at negatives of scavengers and Italians were not allowed to the advanced posts, so the districts were littered with rubbish almost up to the second floor, it’s not like .... ?, it’s ..ka LIFE STANDARD. We and they had a lot of problems, some of them solved better, some of them. but they lived, in principle, not much worse. and somewhere better. And right now honestly telling me America, the USSR 80 reminds me of the most, but look closer at rot everywhere.
        1. 0
          August 4 2016
          Quote: gringo
          And right now honestly telling me America, the USSR 80 reminds me, like the most, but closer look rot everywhere.

          was macho gringo in america? wink
          How many times and so on? wink
          1. 0
            August 5 2016
            Why do you need to know where I was specifically? and how many times, do not enter. why macho? I'm not addressing you hatih atalef. and why reminds me I can explain, because it sponsors incomprehensible comrades who said that they are for America "I swear by my mother, yes", like R. Mugabe, who threw them over and over again through x .. so that in the economic sphere they have roughly what happened at the end of the union everywhere in the production of the agricultural economy:
            that is, there is no owner, pension funds, companies, banks are ruled by comrades, as a top manager who, in principle, put and rub on that institution, they get profit now and are insured by a golden parachute, a friend who also distributes profit among the dividers now, so not a single one it doesn’t develop from industries, all consumer goods are from China, America has only paper in the form of stocks and money, but the economy cannot be infinitely pumped up with money because it will burst, and nothing is done to re-equip production, and people who are not busy in the financial sector are living worse and worse. America is involved in 2-3 conflicts directly and probably in 4-5 more directly.
            The USSR helped, but if this goes wrong and there will be no need to help. Where will you come up with all the zero crises? it is precisely because America’s GDP is large, but in fact it’s a bubble. And if it bursts it will be the collapse of the whole European civilization. and Russia will surely end up in a drop dead rail .. and Israel is so 100% crazy. because you can’t blow up your cheeks without the help and authority of America (no offense will be said) Israel will be torn at the moment
    37. 0
      August 4 2016
      Yes, guys, they put Germany and Russia there, here they want China. Be carefull!
    38. +1
      August 4 2016
      Not everything is as simple as being drawn in a review. Especially with the omnipotence of liberals in Russia.
    39. +2
      August 4 2016
      In order to survive, Russia needs to have at least 20 million people in 250 years.
      And for this, it is in every way possible to support the traditional family, to revolutionize the state of the economy.
      Having a lot of children should be prestigious, profitable, beautiful, promising and safe!
      1. -1
        August 4 2016
        Quote: nikolaev
        Having many children should be prestigious, profitable, nice, promisingly and safely!

        belay
      2. 0
        August 4 2016
        In general, they recommend about 300 million for the empire, otherwise a self-sufficient economy with its own domestic market cannot be created.
    40. 0
      August 4 2016
      Until we defeat the cuts in our own country and not see the Great Kumov region.
    41. 0
      August 4 2016
      Finally, Russia. Experts remind that this particular country every time after the crisis revived, and then pulled ahead, becoming one of the world leaders. The Americans admit that they underestimated the hidden potential of the Russian Federation.


      Something I did not find this passage in the original. Looked for all references to the word Russia. Of course, if it was somewhere with a hyphenation, then it might not be found, and I’m too lazy to reread this whole long and ornate document, so I also looked for special, unique, but there wasn’t anything like that. But here is what was found, for example (too lazy to translate, so sorry, copy-paste of the original):


      In other areas, the historical logic of imperialism, sometimes accelerated by economic and demographic decline, is leading to reactive aggression designed to
      blunt or erode US influence regionally. Examples include Russian renewed political / military aggression in Europe, the Caucuses, and Central Asia; Iran's cultural / religious bid for hegemony in the Middle East; and North Korea's ongoing efforts to detach US political and military support to the Republic of Korea.


      That is, talking about the historical logic of imperialism, which is "sometimes" "accelerated" by economic and demographic decline (and examples include Russia, although it is not "sometimes" explicitly said about it), and not a word about recovery from crises.

      Or another:
      It is likely that Russia will continue to use the threat of military power to secure regional interests and promote perceptions that it is still a great power.

      "Russia will continue to use threats of military force to protect regional interests and maintain the impression that it is still a great power."

      Here's another funny excerpt from the article:

      The document notes that Russia will continue to modernize land, air and sea intercontinental nuclear forces and will implement a program of containment measures, including conducting "unexpected nuclear exercises, bomber flights and strategic reconnaissance flights over the United States."

      And here’s what’s actually:
      The frequency and array of adversary deterrent operations are likely to increase, to include snap nuclear exercises, bomber flights, and strategic reconnaissance overflights into US ADIZs as typically conducted by Russia.


      That is, only ADIZ zones are meant. Air Defense Identification Zone - air defense identification zone. These are unconfirmed international law zones outside national borders and ter. waters, where however aircraft identification is required. Acc. US zones are subject to U.S. identification of commercial aircraft only.

      Here is another interesting passage:
      In the future, Moscow will build an updated air component of armaments. Its basis will be drones with microwave weapons and lasers.


      I did not find anything like this in the original.

      Conclusion: read everything you can in the original, and not in the retelling of propagandists.
    42. 0
      August 4 2016
      We have one organ-brain ignored, it contains Reason-access to the technologies that we possessed, well, not us, but the first civilizations and, by virtue of our Sin, the Creator cleansed civilizations and blocked Reason in subsequent ones. Not the fact that you have to wait 20 years, tomorrow, whatever the technology may be, turn everything upside down. The commandments must be honored and observed. Moses fed more than 40 years old people.
    43. 0
      August 4 2016
      Quote: wardapet
      Quote: sana_59
      their hegemony rests on the bucks, give up the bucks, then the states will go into oblivion ...

      He had a lot of money, he refused for a long time. But I won’t know how to convince our and your oligarchs. At least Kashpirovsky is needed here!

      Why Kashpirovsky, Yezhov have enough for their eyes, they quickly learn how to love their homeland and not steal it.
    44. 0
      August 4 2016
      Quote: atalef
      Quote: gringo
      And right now honestly telling me America, the USSR 80 reminds me, like the most, but closer look rot everywhere.

      was macho gringo in america? wink
      How many times and so on? wink


      Here is that. http://webdiscover.ru/v/22301 And more than once.

      You don’t know by chance, what’s going on here ..? And most importantly, what tails in 20, not in 10 years, will the American roulette wind the ent, to the enty Americans and everyone listed in the article, for the company? It seems to me sho, according to the theory of probability, the United States should fall "zero", otherwise we all (I won't say for Israil, they rely on Einstein and his theory of relativity) 2035 will not shine.
    45. +3
      August 4 2016
      The recent statement by the Prime Minister that if teachers do not have enough money, then let them go into business, suggests that the leaders will most likely be Russian Chinese without the union "i".
      With this, excuse me, the chieftain only business was left to trade on the market, as in 90-E, from where the chairman came to us!
    46. -1
      August 4 2016
      Do not be fooled. China is an enemy by definition. Judging by how it is pumped up with modern weapons, the Chinese are preparing for war. For land, for fresh water, for forests. So our Siberia and the Far East are manna from heaven for them. Look in stores, one Chinese consumer goods. We are now becoming a colony of China. Medvedev systematically destroys the remnants of our industry. Medvedev does not care about our children and teachers. It is no coincidence that the scandal is gaining momentum. Medvedev spat publicly to all teachers in Russia and all the children of Russia. What is the future of the country with Medvedev? So do not rave about the Great Future. It will be Great, under one condition: ... well, I will no longer write further (more expensively).
    47. kig
      +3
      August 4 2016
      As for the Chinese, I agree. And as for our jerk ... the prerequisites are not yet visible.
    48. 0
      August 4 2016
      But analysts calculated what will be the size of debt in the US by 2035? Given today's realities, by 2025, US debt will be banned and equal to 200-250% of GDP. And if there is no war, then by the year 25, the United States will represent a miserable state, or rather, many states.
      1. 0
        August 4 2016
        Interestingly, and who does not agree with this?))
    49. 0
      August 5 2016
      God is with us, and God with them, we shall see and see.
    50. 0
      August 5 2016
      Quote: Yak28
      Twenty years later on the planet, whites will remain only in Russia wink
      What are the golden words. Thank you. General.

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