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August 1 - Remembrance Day of the Russian soldiers who died in the First World War

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On the basis of the Federal Law of the Russian Federation on 30 December 2012 of the Year "On Amendments to the Article 1.1 of the Federal Law" On Days of Military Glory and Memorable Dates of Russia ", August 1 is annually celebrated in our country as the Day of Commemoration of Russian soldiers killed in World War I.

August 1 - Remembrance Day of the Russian soldiers who died in the First World War


For well-known reasons, very little attention was paid to the First World War in our country, and its heroes were, if not forgotten, then distant in historiography to the third plan. That big war was considered only in the context of the forerunner of two Russian revolutions, their peculiar catalyst. The very name of the war "imperialistic" as it were supposed to say that no feat of the Russian soldier in the battles of the beginning of the century could be by definition.

This approach to lighting stories The PMA today looks insignificant, since it is history that teaches us not to repeat fatal mistakes, honor the memory of our ancestors, the heroic deeds of the heroes, become equal to them and consolidate for the effective development of the country.
Until now, historians argue about what losses our army suffered in that war, which was first called the world war. If we “average” the data that is most often published in historiographic publications, then we can conclude that the number of dead soldiers of the army of the Russian Empire in the PRC was less than 1,6 million people, injured - up to 3,8 million. More than 2's more than million soldiers and officers were captured by the enemy. The loss figures are colossal. It turns out that only every second mobilized has returned home alive and unharmed, and having avoided German (Austro-Hungarian, etc.) captivity.

This is a huge price that Russia had to pay for the war, the feasibility of directly joining the empire of Nicholas II is still the subject of heated discussions by historians and, let's say, fans to speculate on historical topics. Without mentioning how they used to say in certain years in certain circles, the daunting question of the expediency of Russian participation in a war, we can definitely say that we can never forget about this war. If only because it is an event that teaches a clear lesson on how to lose a great country without any unequivocal prerequisites. It is gratifying that at the lessons of history in modern school attention to the First World War is paid, however, based on the scale of the historical event, its prerequisites and its consequences, such attention should definitely be more focused. This is about the question of how today's Russia is trying to be dragged into direct armed conflict with all its forces — the partners have a hand full of such a weakening of the country, and it would be strange to deny it.

Today, memorable events are held in different parts of the country. Thus, in Moscow, Novopeschanaya Street, a ceremony of laying wreaths and flowers to the obelisk "Fallen in the World War 1914-1918 years" is held, as well as to the tomb of Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich in the chapel of the Transfiguration of the Savior. Earlier on the site of the memorial complex was the Moscow city fraternal cemetery, where soldiers who fell during the WWI years were buried (the opening year is 1915). The initiative to create a brotherly burial belongs to Grand Duchess Elizabeth Feodorovna, wife of Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich (brother of Emperor Alexander III), the founder of the Marfo-Mariinsky Convent.



After about 17 years after the opening of the cemetery, it was eliminated. In 1998, the chapel of the Transfiguration of the Savior was built on this site, and in 2004, the memorial complex itself was opened.



Today it is a place of commemorative events. 1 August 2016 The members of the Russian Historical Society, servicemen of the guard of honor of the Moscow commandant's office, as well as government officials, including some State Duma deputies, take part in them.

Memorable events in honor of the soldiers who fell during the First World War were also held with the participation of Russian President Vladimir Putin, who visited Slovenia. The President of Russia visited the Vršič Pass, located near the town of Kranjska Gora. This place is known for the fact that in 1916, one of the groups of Russian prisoners of war, used by the Austrians for construction work, was covered by an avalanche, burying at least three hundred people alive. Other Russian soldiers erected a chapel in memory of the tragedy, which this year marked exactly 100 years, as well as the tragedy itself on the pass Vršić.



In total, around 10 of thousands of Russian prisoners of war were killed in these places, who were kept in unbearable conditions. Photo about the content of captured Russian soldiers:



Press office Kremlin:
During the memorial ceremony, Vladimir Putin and Borut Pahor (President of Slovenia), as well as the chairman of the Russia-Slovenia Friendship Society, Sasha Ivan Gerzhina, laid wreaths to the obelisk.


After that, Vladimir Putin and Borut Pahor unveiled a monument to the dead Russian and Soviet soldiers during the First and Second World Wars. The authors of the monument are Russian artists and sculptors Maria Tatevyan, Yana Bragovskaya, Stanislav Smolyaninova, Oleg Kalinin.



From the speech of the President of the Russian Federation:
I am very glad to be back in friendly Slovenia, where we always welcome guests from Russia with sincere cordiality. I and all my compatriots are especially worried when they visit this place - the Russian St. Vladimir's Chapel. Only in one camp of prisoners of war at this pass from overwork, hunger, deprivations killed about 10 thousands of Russian soldiers. When I got up here and saw this modest chapel, I thought: who among those who built it would have thought that a hundred years after that we would gather here and remember the victims of the First World War. But this is due to representatives of various faiths, thanks to many generations of Slovenes. Thank you for preserving the memory of the victims that were brought to the altar not only of the First, but also of the Second World Wars. Thank you, Slovenia!


World War I left an indelible mark on our history. And today, the memory of her, the memory of fallen on the battlefields and Russian soldiers tortured in enemy dungeons should allow us all to comprehend both Russia's place in the world historical process and the principles of protecting our country's interests in the international arena. Comprehend and remember to draw the right conclusions.
Photos used:
//www.kremlin.ru, guns.allzip.org
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  1. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 1 August 2016 06: 15
    +12
    I still can’t understand why Nicholas II is a saint. It is he who is personally responsible for drawing Russia into this war.
    1. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 1 August 2016 06: 41
      +16
      Eternal memory to all wars!
      1. Mahmut
        Mahmut 1 August 2016 07: 02
        -5
        I do not agree with the comment on the photo. We are talking about the punishment of prisoners of war, and not about their maintenance. Or those in the background waiting for their turn? Captured soldiers were allowed to receive letters and parcels. And the officers were even released into the city on dismissal under an honest officer’s word.
        1. jktu66
          jktu66 1 August 2016 12: 02
          +3
          Captured soldiers were allowed ...
          I do not agree with you, Mahmut. The conditions were not always so favorable. a participant in the events of E. M. Remarque in "All Quiet on the Western Front" describes the content of Russian prisoners in a much harsher manner. And not only the prisoners got it. Approximately one hundred thousand Russian tourists, who were in Germany at the beginning of WW1, were severely repressed.
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 1 August 2016 22: 36
          0
          Looking at whom you get.
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          2. Inok10
            Inok10 2 August 2016 01: 35
            +5
            Quote: Dart2027
            Watching who you get

            ... it makes no difference ... it's a war ... it's just us Russians do not take revenge on the dead and honor the memory of fallen soldiers, albeit opponents ... a restored monument to the victims of the First World Germans Kaliningrad ... in the photo ... a monument Chernyakhovsky in Poland in Penenzhno who will already see the thread? ... although what kind of Poland is it ... this is East Prussia - Melzak ... they just dismantled it ... soldier .. so who are the barbarians and savages here? ...
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 2 August 2016 05: 52
              0
              Yes, war is war, but even in World War II, not all Germans loved reprisals against civilians.
      2. Monos
        Monos 1 August 2016 08: 38
        +15
        Glory to our heroic ancestors!

        1. volot-voin
          volot-voin 1 August 2016 09: 25
          +13
          Quote: Monos
          Glory to our heroic ancestors!

          Eternal glory, and our pride in them. They fought for their homeland, regardless of historical time. Their feat is immortal, eternal memory!
          1. Akselruur
            Akselruur 1 August 2016 11: 35
            -1
            Quote: volot-voin
            They fought for their homeland, regardless of historical time.

            They were forced to fight for interests alien to them, and three years later they had the epiphany in whose interests this massacre was being waged. Do not confuse the homeland and state.
        2. edge
          edge 1 August 2016 11: 28
          +9
          thankful memory to you men-devotees, sold and slandered
      3. Vend
        Vend 1 August 2016 10: 12
        +10
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        Eternal memory to all wars!

        I completely agree. We must not forget those who died and fought in that war.
        1. Akselruur
          Akselruur 1 August 2016 11: 37
          -6
          Quote: Wend
          We must not forget those who died and fought in that war.

          Yes, on the eve of the third world, of course, we must not forget. That would not be the same shameless "gray cattle" and not die for other people's interests.
      4. Alex_Tug
        Alex_Tug 1 August 2016 15: 51
        +2
        Eternal memory to all wars!


        A wise thought. It is necessary to make a "Day of Remembrance for Those Who Died in Wars". For each war (they are in Russia, the Russian Empire, hundreds and hundreds, even the capture of Kazan or the defeat of the Swedes near Poltava, civil wars are especially highlighted) you will not have enough days. We just need a day of remembrance, regardless of who is for the red, who is for the white. Russians died (not as a nationality, but as subjects of Russia).
        1. excomandante
          excomandante 2 August 2016 06: 36
          +2
          Should Russians be denied nationality? Citizens of the Russian Empire and citizens of Russia are rightly called Russians.
    2. Mahmut
      Mahmut 1 August 2016 06: 55
      +19
      Germany declared war on Russia. What are the claims against Nicholas II. The Russian-Japanese war did not even begin with the shooting of warships in the roads, but with the attack of the Japanese fleet on the Russian passenger ship and its looting. What are the claims against Nicholas II. Nicholas II fulfilled allied obligations, thanks to which he had a full-fledged second front, and not a bastard as in 1944. The largest hospital was located in the winter palace. And he organized a military coup d'etat to himself. And the arrest of the royal family. Indeed, for legal arrest, you need to bring charges, otherwise the children and wife were simply taken hostage.
      1. svp67
        svp67 1 August 2016 08: 06
        +3
        Quote: Mahmut
        What claims to Nicholas II
        The list is extensive. But in the context of this article, chief among them, how did he allow the victory of the revolution and the death of his family?
        1. Akselruur
          Akselruur 1 August 2016 11: 40
          -3
          Quote: svp67
          how did he allow the victory of the revolution and the death of his family?

          but not like that, because I thought that his power was from God, and who would encroach on God's anointed one?
      2. qwert
        qwert 1 August 2016 08: 51
        +7
        Quote: Mahmut
        Germany declared war on Russia. What are the claims against Nicholas II.

        Maybe because Russia entered the Entente? But was the Entente still a military alliance against Germany? Or adhere to Russia neutrality, Germany would declare war on us?
        And Nikolay climbed into the Entente for the promise of the Bosphorus. But he could have overcome the Bosphorus in a different way. Observing neutrality, wait for Germany to get bogged down with the French and hit Turkey. And the silence of Germany to buy their neutrality. But, he wanted to prove himself a winner, especially after the Russo-Japanese.
        1. volot-voin
          volot-voin 1 August 2016 09: 30
          0
          Quote: qwert
          And Nikolay climbed into the Entente for the promise of the Bosphorus. But he could have overcome the Bosphorus in a different way. Observing neutrality, wait for Germany to get bogged down with the French and hit Turkey

          If it were not for the climb, there would be no possible war. And it was very stupid to fight with an unreliable rear, in fact with a knife in the back. Before the war, a concrete "Stalinist purge" of enemies and traitors was needed.
          1. Akselruur
            Akselruur 1 August 2016 11: 42
            +1
            Quote: volot-voin
            Before the war, a concrete "Stalinist purge" of enemies and traitors was needed.

            so it depends on whom to consider the enemy. in 1917, the people made their choice, cleared all enemies at the root, and in 1937 he weeded out a new shoot.
            1. volot-voin
              volot-voin 1 August 2016 14: 16
              +3
              Quote: AkselRuur
              so it depends on whom to consider the enemy. in 1917, the people made their choice,

              In 1917, the people had not yet made any choice, and the weakness of the existing government created a split in society. which led to a civil war in which millions died.
              The enemy is considered to be those who carried out subversive activities with the money of world capital, an international gang of bankers living in the USA, Britain, Switzerland, Germany, etc. What does it mean in independence against the Russian Empire at the beginning of the century, the USSR or the Russian Federation now. Believe the same surnames. And there is no need to wave a saber and a red flag, shouting that Trotsky could not sleep as if thinking of the good of the people.
              Homeland is Homeland no matter how it is called, Russia, the Russian Empire, the USSR, the Russian Federation and there are always enemies who will bury themselves on our lands, resources, dream of turning us into slaves, or even lime, to the root.
              God bless us from Gorbachev and Nicholas II, we can somehow cope with external enemies.
              1. tatra
                tatra 1 August 2016 15: 35
                +4
                Quote: volot-voin
                And there is no need to wave a saber and a red flag, shouting that Trotsky could not sleep as if thinking of the good of the people.

                And do not retell anti-Soviet nonsense from the enemies of the Communists in the West and on the territory of the USSR.
                Learn with your own mind to think, and not be a puppet in the hands of unscrupulous puppeteers.
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 1 August 2016 21: 13
                +4
                Quote: volot-voin
                God bless us from Gorbachev and Nicholas II,

                And both prohibition introduced. laughing Coincidence? what One was canonized, another was given the Nobel Order. I am waiting for the Holy Inquisition (oh, sorry, the church) to announce the Marked One with the holy Great Martyr Michael. Then I won’t be surprised at anything.
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 1 August 2016 22: 39
              +5
              Quote: AkselRuur
              in 1917, the people made their choice, cleared all enemies at the root, and in 1937 he weeded out a new shoot

              That's just the majority of those who were in 1917 and just cleaned up in the 30s. Those who sought RI and those who built the USSR are not the same thing.
      3. tatra
        tatra 1 August 2016 09: 09
        +5
        The web has a site with pre-revolutionary newspapers, from there.
        "New time"
        How the German ambassador declared to the Minister of Foreign Affairs about declaring war.
        Yesterday after 12 o’clock. nights (on the night from the 18th to the 19th) the German ambassador gr. Purtales came to the Minister of Foreign Affairs and asked to report to S. D. Sazonov that he needed to see him. The German ambassador, adopted by the minister, said on behalf of his government that Germany is concerned about the general mobilization announced in Russia, he is asking the Russian government to suspend this mobilization no later than 12 hours later, otherwise Germany will also be forced to start mobilizing its army.
        Twelve hours were up and the Russian government, of course, did not give any answer to the German proposal.
        Today, at 7 o’clock. In the evening, the German ambassador arrived at the Foreign Minister. When gr. Purtales entered the reception room to S.D.Sazonov, it was evident that he was very excited. Turning to the minister, the ambassador asked whether the Russian government agrees to the German proposal to stop the mobilization. The minister said that, since the Russian government did not give any answer on the date announced the day before, it follows that Russia refuses to fulfill the German proposal. The ambassador reiterated the same question. The Minister again gave a negative answer. Very worried, the ambassador asked for the third time whether the Russian government agreed to suspend the mobilization. The minister answered in the negative for the third time. Then the ambassador stood up, handed the verbal note to the Minister and, bowing, immediately left
        1. Akselruur
          Akselruur 1 August 2016 11: 49
          +8
          Quote: tatra
          Then the ambassador stood up, handed the verbal note to the Minister and, bowing, immediately left

          Well, on the part of Germany, formally everything was done with the conditions of international practice of waging war. Russia, in their eyes, rejected the proposed conditions three times, i.e. her behavior was clearly aggressive. In preventive measures, Germany announced the mobilization of its army. Well, in general, the financial circles of both countries strove for this war in anticipation of big profits. So the market limit was predetermined, regardless of the position of the "passion-bearer" king
        2. Pancho
          Pancho 1 August 2016 18: 43
          0
          Quote: tatra
          When gr. Purtales was in the waiting room with S.D.Sazonov

          Sazonov was a complete Anglophile.
          1. EvgNik
            EvgNik 2 August 2016 09: 28
            +1
            Quote: Pancho
            Sazonov was a complete Anglophile.

            I wanted to correct you by +, but looked at the Internet. Do not read the wiki, especially on serious issues. Sazonov was an ambiguous man, a statesman. Link:
            http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/dic_diplomatic/1101/САЗОНОВ
      4. ImPerts
        ImPerts 1 August 2016 09: 25
        +1
        Quote: Mahmut
        What claims to Nicholas II

        By and large, no. If Nicholas 2 would not be, would be different. Of all the powers, the Russian empire was with the greatest debt. It was due to France and, to a lesser extent, Great Britain. Debts had to be paid.
        1. co-creator
          co-creator 1 August 2016 09: 47
          +1
          Quote: ImPerts
          By and large, no. Would not be Nicholas 2, would be different. Of all the powers, the Russian empire was with the greatest debt. It was due to France and, to a lesser extent, Great Britain. Debts had to be paid

          It's not just about debt. What debts prevented Nicholas during the war from clearing out the entire liberal press and the liberals themselves who, with their articles and speeches, simply destroyed the confidence of the state and the tsar among the population? The Frenchmen cleaned everything up and shot them. That because of the debts he is state. criminals who were shot in exile in the same France were sent and did not even prohibit correspondence. There are a lot of such claims. The answer is simple, the whole elite and Nikolasha just rotted them except to devour the women ..... nothing was up to anything.
          1. Gladius
            Gladius 1 August 2016 11: 36
            -1
            Quotation: blooded man
            Quote: ImPerts
            By and large, no. Would not be Nicholas 2, would be different. Of all the powers, the Russian empire was with the greatest debt. It was due to France and, to a lesser extent, Great Britain. Debts had to be paid

            It's not just about debt. What debts prevented Nicholas during the war from clearing out the entire liberal press and the liberals themselves who, with their articles and speeches, simply destroyed the confidence of the state and the tsar among the population? The Frenchmen cleaned everything up and shot them. That because of the debts he is state. criminals who were shot in exile in the same France were sent and did not even prohibit correspondence. There are a lot of such claims. The answer is simple, the whole elite and Nikolasha just rotted them except to devour the women ..... nothing was up to anything.

            There are a lot of followers of V.I. Ulyanov-Lenin and his associates on the site, are you calling to be shot?
          2. Akselruur
            Akselruur 1 August 2016 12: 09
            +1
            Quotation: blooded man
            which by their articles and speeches simply destroyed the confidence in the state and the king of the population

            trust in the state and the tsar was undermined not by malicious liberals, but by the tsarist government itself with its executions of the people, who asked to soften the regime of exploitation. Read the memoirs of the Bolshevik revolutionaries. They directly said that the actions of the tsarist government worked better than any agitation. This is when any manufacturer could turn to the authorities for help in the fight against workers who are on strike against 12-14 o'clock days, scanty wages, extortionate fines, humiliation and insults, and coercion into buying a factory shop belonging to the same manufacturer, everything that normally a person causes a feeling of just indignation. And in response to all this, the tsarist troops sent to the manufacturer to help pacify the "rebels" without hesitation fired at the assembled workers. The same thing happened in the village. So it's not about the liberals, but about the system that is rotten through.
            1. Svidetel 45
              Svidetel 45 2 August 2016 00: 09
              +4
              And in the liberals, too, both the tsarist government and the liberals contributed to the destabilization of the situation and did one thing in general - they drowned Russia, some out of stupidity, and some maliciously. So a situation has arisen according to the expression of the classic "the lower classes do not want, but the upper classes cannot govern in the old way." But in order to speed up the process of the collapse of the empire, the February coup of 17 was organized, not without the participation of our "allies," when pro-Western liberals and democrats came to power, and from that moment, as a well-known figure of recent times said, "the process has begun," Order No. 1 and destroyed the army, the slogans "freedom, equality, brotherhood" and the empire began to fall off the Transcaucasia, Central Asia, Ukraine, the Baltic states, by the fall of 17, complete chaos in the country, and de facto anarchy. So the merit of the Bolsheviks is not that they overthrew the tsarist regime in a "difficult bloody struggle and took power", but that they picked up this power, which was lying on the square in front of the Winter Palace, no one was actually subordinate to the provisional government, and only a company of beardless junkers and a women's battalion, by mistake, turned out to be the defenders of this power.
              So, in fact, they are not Bolsheviks, who could not be attributed to liberals in any way, and whose significance many officials of the tsarist and provisional government compared with "mosquito bites", namely, the liberals and democrats, as in 91, played a decisive role in the collapse of the state, first the Empire, and then the USSR.
          3. jktu66
            jktu66 1 August 2016 12: 25
            +4
            I would be very surprised if an Englishman called his queens Vichka or Lizka, but their compatriot, their last Russian colleague, a hundred years old, some compatriots might relishly call Nikolash
            1. EvgNik
              EvgNik 2 August 2016 09: 30
              +1
              Quote: jktu66
              but their last Russian colleague, a hundred years old, some compatriots may relishly call Nikolash

              What is significant is only him. Other kings are not derogatoryly called.
          4. volot-voin
            volot-voin 2 August 2016 09: 49
            +1
            Quotation: blooded man
            It's not just about debt. That debts prevented Nikolasha in

            A bad dancer always gets in the way. Who was easy? To the Stalinist government in 30-41, when did the country come out of a complete one ... arranged by the same Nicholas II and after a gang of revolutionaries?
        2. Akselruur
          Akselruur 1 August 2016 11: 51
          0
          Quote: ImPerts
          Of all the powers, the Russian empire was with the greatest debt.
          Well, yes, formally, no complaints against the king. it was not the king who made the debt, but the tsarist government, which was appointed by the king. that as they say: not on the forehead, but on the forehead. no difference what
      5. edge
        edge 1 August 2016 11: 32
        +1
        Quote: Mahmut
        Germany declared war on Russia. What claims to Nicholas II

        this cattle threw troops and the country at the height of the war .... just imagine Stalin escaping at 43 (this is impossible)
        1. jktu66
          jktu66 1 August 2016 12: 45
          -1
          Nikolai Alexandrovich headed the RIA in 1915, during a period of heavy defeats, retreats. Under his leadership, it was possible to stabilize the situation, inflict a number of significant attacks on the enemy and prepare the conditions for the strategic defeat of Germany on the eastern front by the beginning of 1917. If not for the famous events of February 1917, we would now pay tribute to the outstanding military commander Colonel N. Romanov.
          1. Alexey T. (Oper)
            Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 12: 52
            +1
            Quote: jktu66
            Under his leadership, it was possible to stabilize the situation, inflict a number of significant attacks on the enemy and prepare the conditions for the strategic defeat of Germany on the eastern front by the beginning of 1917.

            In fantasy, rushing from all the cracks ...

            If the fate of Germany was decided by the beginning of the 1917 of the year, then why didn’t capitulate to the end of February (i.e., two months from the beginning of the year)?
            1. jktu66
              jktu66 1 August 2016 12: 59
              -1
              The fate of Germany was decided in August 1914, with the entry into the war of the Republic of Ingushetia. And she capitulated in 1918, and not in 1917 due to the turmoil of Russia and the betrayal of Russia's allies
              1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 13: 14
                +1
                Quote: jktu66
                The fate of Germany was decided in August 1914, with the entry into the war of the Republic of Ingushetia.

                A common myth. In fact, the "miracle on the Marne" is the result of the actions of the French army, since there was no transfer of formations from the Western Front to the Eastern (which sofa strategists love to talk about) in reality - Ludendorff coped perfectly with the forces of exclusively the 8th Army (a third of it was equipped with second-rate divisions and militias), utterly defeating two Russian pre-war personnel armies.
                1. jktu66
                  jktu66 1 August 2016 13: 39
                  0
                  At the beginning of the 1st mv, none of the participating countries expected to fight for more than six months, but the war was exhausted. The miracle on the Marne, the death of Samsonov’s army, the Brusilov breakthrough, the Verdun meat grinder are episodes of the war in which victory was achieved by exhausting the enemy and mobilizing their resources. Germany and its allies did not have the resources to defeat the war on two fronts.
                  1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                    Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 13: 43
                    +1
                    Quote: jktu66
                    A miracle on the Marne, the death of Samsonov’s army, the Brusilov breakthrough ... these are episodes of a war in which victory was achieved by exhausting the enemy
                    You're wrong. All these operations were maneuverable in nature and victories in them were achieved precisely due to competent maneuvering and concentration of forces, and not due to depletion of the forces of the rotivnik.
                    1. jktu66
                      jktu66 1 August 2016 13: 56
                      0
                      All these operations only affected the date of the surrender of Germany, or separated or brought it closer. Germany had a good chance of winning without the participation of RI. But Russia's potential deprived Germany of its chance. In 1917, Germany’s resources were depleted and the Entente and the US Hyena entered the war had strategic initiative.
                      1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 14: 06
                        +3
                        Quote: jktu66
                        Germany had a good chance of winning without the participation of RI.
                        Germanicia had excellent chances to win if RI participated. The Germans simply had to fulfill their own pre-war plan of Schlieffen and did not relate to the French, and not engage in improvisation under the impression of success in the first battles.

                        Quote: jktu66
                        But Russia's potential deprived Germany of its chance.
                        Yes, do not tell. What kind of potential of Russia are you talking about if the Germans held the secondary forces against it throughout the war, and the militia by a third? Those. all the slanting, lame, one-legged, and one-armed invalids who were not fit for combat training, they fought against the Russian personnel army and successfully fought against it the whole war.

                        What general potential can Russia be talking about if during the entire war the industry of the empire produced 4 times fewer machine guns than the Germans? If Russian artillery fired several times fewer shells of all calibers during the whole war than only German artillery, apart from Austrian, Turkish and Bulgarian?
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 1 August 2016 23: 17
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                  - Ludendorff did an excellent job exclusively with the 8 Army (a third manned with second-rate divisions and militias), completely defeating two Russian military armies of pre-war manning.

                  You are not right. Not so great. And if not for this Rennenkapf bastard, then the outcome of the battles would be different. Although Ludendorff had his own morons (like Francois).
                  1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                    Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 08: 37
                    +1
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    You're not right. Not so great. And if not for this Rennenkapf bastard, then the outcome of the battles would be different.

                    It is a myth. In fact, there is no Rennenkampf's guilt in defeating Samsonov, and all the conspiracy theories about the friction between these military leaders are an attempt to explain complex events with simple reasons.

                    Ludendorff defeated Samsonov because the Germans simply knew better how to fight, and even the signature home-made of Russian generals - they took a bayonet strike quite calmly, not rarely themselves, consciously bringing the matter to this kind of battle.
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 1 August 2016 22: 42
              +1
              Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
              then why in this case, until the end of February (i.e., two months from the beginning of the year), Germany did not capitulate

              Precisely because in February there was a coup under the leadership of Kerensky.
              1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 22: 54
                +3
                Quote: Dart2027
                Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                then why in this case, until the end of February (i.e., two months from the beginning of the year), Germany did not capitulate

                Precisely because in February there was a coup under the leadership of Kerensky.
                Not okay. If Germany was on the verge of defeat by the beginning of January 1917, in early January it should have surrendered. And by September 1918 of the year they could not defeat her by military force.

                So it remains to conclude: all the stories about the fact that Russia by the 1917 year was on the eve of victory is a fiction of modern quasi-patriotic propaganda.
                1. tatra
                  tatra 1 August 2016 23: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                  fiction of modern quasi-patriotic propaganda.

                  Yes, not "quasi-patriotic propaganda," but anti-Soviet.
                  And all the "historical truth" and all the "heroes" of the enemies of the communists in the former republics of the USSR AGAINST the Soviet / Russian / Russian people.
                  NO among the enemies of the Communists in the USSR are true patriots of their country and people.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 1 August 2016 23: 22
                    0
                    Quote: tatra
                    NO among the enemies of the Communists in the USSR are true patriots of their country and people

                    I can’t say anything bad about the idea of ​​communism as such, but the problem is that no one can answer a simple question - where to get humanity to build communism in practice?
                    Quote: tatra
                    Yes, not "quasi-patriotic propaganda", but anti-Soviet

                    There are two kinds, sorry apes.
                    The first are sure that until 1917 there was only darkness and horror.
                    The second are sure that after 1917 there was only darkness and horror.
                    Before and after there were problems in Russia, there were mistakes by the rulers and often very serious consequences, there were traitors in the highest echelons of power, which actually destroyed both the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR. But before and after there was the development of the country, there were victories and achievements.
                    1. tatra
                      tatra 1 August 2016 23: 29
                      +1
                      Your comment, sorry, "neither to the village, nor to the city".
                      If, instead of criticism so beloved by the enemies of the Communists, you could at least somehow refute what you wrote about the enemies of the Communists on the territory of the USSR — that would be constructive, and just criticism for the sake of criticism.
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 2 August 2016 05: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: tatra
                        Your comment, sorry, "neither to the village, nor to the city".

                        Similarly, you did not say anything meaningful.
                        Quote: tatra
                        If, instead of criticism so beloved by the enemies of the Communists, you could at least somehow refute what you wrote about the enemies of the Communists in the USSR

                        Question one - who created union of states in the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia?
                        The second question is how much money did professional revolutionaries live for years traveling abroad?
                        The third question is where to get humanity to build communism in practice, given that all attempts to do this with the current have failed.
                      2. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 08: 44
                        -2
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        The first question is - who created the union of states on the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia?

                        Counter-question: did those who created it have any other opportunities for unification in a single state? Do you seriously think that the national elites of state formations formed on the national outskirts of the former empire in the summer of 1917, like that, would voluntarily and willingly go back to Moscow’s arm?

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        The second question is how much money did professional revolutionaries live for years traveling abroad?
                        Firstly, do not think that they were chic there. Secondly, almost all of them (with the exception of units who came from wealthy families) worked. Moreover, many did not shy away from the frankly rough work of movers, handymen, etc.
                        And they lived, including on the money of the party, which were composed from the sale of party literature, from contributions from party members and donations from sympathizers, etc.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        The third question is where to get humanity to build communism in practice, given that all attempts to do this with the current have failed.

                        And why is it so certain that they failed for natural reasons? The experiment was simply not allowed to end, forcing it to collapse by force.
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 2 August 2016 19: 55
                        0
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Counterquestion:

                        This is always said when trying to justify this stupidity. But if you remember how famously the Bolsheviks dealt with those who interfered with them, it is hard to believe. YES, and after the unification, nothing prevented some of the "comrades" from reducing their agility.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Firstly, do not think that they were chic there. Secondly, almost all of them (with the exception of units who came from wealthy families) worked

                        Well, and who worked, for example, Lenin? And did they also buy weapons for what they earned?
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        And why is it so certain that they failed for natural reasons?

                        Because the "new people" and "best people" about whom Chernyshevsky wrote still remained piece goods, and most people remained just people. They tried to force it down in 1941.
                      4. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 22: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        This is always said when trying to justify this stupidity.
                        This is not stupid. This is a historical fact. And in order to understand this, it is enough to read the materials of the Plenum, which read the Declaration on the formation of the USSR and the transcripts of the discussions that went on it. You, apparently, did not read them.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        But if you recall how famously the Bolsheviks dealt with those who interfered with it, it is hard to believe

                        Straightened out. True, before this they always tried to come to an agreement and resolve all issues peacefully. Well, if the opponent did not understand then they were not afraid to use force and were not shy.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Well, and who worked, for example, Lenin?
                        Lenin worked as the chief editor of Iskra. In addition, his wife had a small inheritance that allowed them to exist quite tolerably. In addition, he was engaged in the translation of works on philosophy and Marxism and wrote his own works, for which he also received royalties.


                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Because the "new people" and "best people" about whom Chernyshevsky wrote, remained piece goods, and most people remained just people.

                        And who interfered with ideological work so that the best people were produced on an industrial scale? And the petty bourgeois (those who remained "just people") eventually died out like mammoths by themselves?

                        By the way, since such a question has already come up, answer pzhlsta, do not consider it a work. So you are so sure that communism is a utopia that one gets the impression that you perfectly understand what it is. Can you formulate the concept of "communism" in your own words?
                      5. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 4 August 2016 06: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        And in order to understand this, it is enough to read the materials of the plshenum reading the Declaration on the formation of the USSR and the transcripts of the discussions that took place on it
                        That is, people who literally turned the whole country up were unable to cope with a small number of outcasts? Do you assure me of this?
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Straightened out. True, before this they always tried to come to an agreement and resolve all issues peacefully.
                        The point is that when they wanted they did not stand on ceremony, and if they did not shoot all these "newly formed elites" then they did not want to.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Lenin worked as editor-in-chief of Iskra
                        So it was a commercial project and he made profit from poor workers from this? Oh no no no. But tell me, what was the commercial success of the works on Marxism, how many people were ready to pay money for them, and how actively they were sold? This is the same as the Maidan, which was fed by compassionate grandmothers.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        And who interfered with ideological work so that the best people were produced on an industrial scale? And the petty bourgeois (those who remained "just people") eventually died out like mammoths by themselves?
                        There is such a boring thing as biology. From her point of view, a person remains a person and education does not change his nature. Where did all the oligarchs come from?
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        You are so sure that communism is a utopia, that there is an impression that you perfectly understand what it is
                        hypothetical social and economic system based on social equality, social ownership of the means of production
                        In your own words, a society based on ideal justice and humanism. That is utopia.
                      6. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 4 August 2016 09: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, people who literally turned the whole country up were unable to cope with a small number of outcasts?

                        Those. Do you think that the Bolsheviks should have started the second Civil War, now for the unification of the Russian Republic at hand of Moscow into a unitary state?
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        The point is that when they wanted they did not stand on ceremony, and if they did not shoot all these "newly formed elites" then they did not want to.
                        You absolutely do not take into account that national elites are therefore called national elites, which represent the rest of the nation.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        So it was a commercial project and he made profit from poor workers from this?
                        Any newspaper published on its own money must pay for itself.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        But tell me, what was the commercial success of the works on Marxism, how many people were ready to pay money for them, and how actively they were sold?

                        Not very tall. Therefore, Lenin constantly in his letters to friends and associates complained about lack of money.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        There is such a boring thing as biology. From her point of view, a person remains a person and education does not change his nature.

                        This is if it relates to a person as an animal. But man is a rational being. Therefore, his upbringing determines the environment, i.e. the society in which he lives. With the help of a drunkard and a beggar, with the appropriate upbringing, a great scientist may well grow up, there are enough examples of this. As well as from a descendant of a genius, if you place it in a herd of monkeys from infancy, depriving you of communication with a person, nothing but a monkey will work. Being, you know, defines consciousness. This philosophical formula is repeatedly confirmed.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        hypothetical social and economic system based on social equality, social ownership of the means of production
                        In your own words, a society based on ideal justice and humanism. That is utopia.

                        Pts good. My understanding: "Communism is a classless, divine, socially oriented society based on the principles of justice."

                        Now tell me, what is utopian in justice and humanism?
                      7. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 4 August 2016 19: 42
                        0
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Do you think that the Bolsheviks should have started the second Civil War, now for the unification of the Russian Republic at hand of Moscow into a unitary state?
                        The war with whom? They killed all the opponents and by the way, Stalin very strongly objected to this stupidity.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        You absolutely do not take into account that national elites are therefore called national elites, which represent the rest of the nation.
                        Was there such a nation as Ukrainians? You will not show a map of Ukraine until 1917?
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Any newspaper published on its own money must pay for itself.
                        A newspaper that is published as a means of propaganda must do what it is published for, that is, engage in propaganda. And here the question arises - whose money is the banquet for?
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        This is if it relates to a person as an animal. But man is a rational being. Therefore, his upbringing determines the environment, i.e. the society in which he lives.

                        And man, excuse me, from a biological point of view is an animal. Yes, he has a mind, but at the same time, primitive instincts also did not disappear. In fact, all psychology is based precisely on the use of the subconscious. Yes, upbringing really seriously affects people, but the same parents can have completely different children.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Now tell me, what is utopian in justice and humanism?
                        Nothing but the fact that all attempts to build such a society failed.
                      8. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 4 August 2016 21: 51
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        The war with whom?

                        The war against the pro-communist national elites that developed and gained strength in the national outskirts of the former empire during the Civil War. And you didn’t want it like that, you’re living great, coming back to Moscow’s arm. Therefore, they had to throw a bone to them in the form of a theoretical possibility of leaving the union and pseudo-sovereignty.
                        You, instead of asking questions, look in the network for transcripts of the plenum, there it goes by a red thread.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Was there such a nation as Ukrainians? You will not show a map of Ukraine until 1917?

                        Was, was. For example, as far back as 1911 in Kiev, my great-grandfather, as one of the leading theorists-decadents, published a literary newspaper in the Ukrainian language "Ukrainska Khata". And there were millions like him. Including among the officers of the RIA.
                        so the fabrications of modern propagandists about the idea that Ukrainians as a nation were invented and formed by the Bolsheviks are outright nonsense. National parties, leading a separatist policy and propaganda, formed and gained strength on the outskirts of the empire even under Nikolashka the Bloody. And as soon as the central authority weakened, they immediately tore it to shreds.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        And here the question arises - whose money is the banquet for?

                        For the money of the party, consisting of membership fees, from donations from sponsors, among whom were very wealthy people. One Savva Morozov gave millions to the propaganda of Marxism.

                        But traces of money of foreign intelligence in the party’s financial documents for more than 100 years of searches have not been found. So all hints of it do not stand up to criticism.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        And man, excuse me, from a biological point of view, is an animal.

                        Man is a rational creature standing above the animal kingdom, because he acts guided not only by instincts, but also by reason.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Nothing but the fact that all attempts to build such a society failed.

                        They did not fail. These experiments simply did not allow to bring to a logical end.
                      9. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 5 August 2016 17: 17
                        -1
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        The war against the pro-communist national elites that developed and gained strength in the national outskirts of the former empire during the Civil War.
                        Simply put, the time bomb was planted under the USSR by the Communists themselves, led by Lenin.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Was, was. For example, as far back as 1911 in Kiev, my great-grandfather, as one of the leading theorists-decadents, published a literary newspaper in the Ukrainian language "Ukrainska Khata". And there were millions like him. Including among the officers of the RIA.
                        Show, please, a map of the state of Ukraine, and not the history of a handful of marginals who were fostered by Austrian intelligence. And at the same time, give a source that speaks about these "millions".
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        formed and strengthened on the outskirts of the empire during the reign of Nicholas the Bloody.
                        How bloody he is if he so dismissed his subjects. You already decide, huh?
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        For the money of the party, consisting of membership fees, from donations from sponsors, among whom were very wealthy people. One Savva Morozov gave millions to the propaganda of Marxism.
                        He did not give millions of 24000, only revolutions are more expensive.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        But traces of money of foreign intelligence in the party’s financial documents for more than 100 years of searches have not been found. So all hints of it do not stand up to criticism.
                        As in the documents of any revolutionary. Nuland only distributed cookies.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Man is a rational creature standing above the animal kingdom, because he acts guided not only by instincts, but also by reason.
                        Do you think reason is a synonym for justice? Was fascism invented by semi-literate barbarians or civilized Europeans?
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        They did not fail. These experiments simply did not allow to bring to a logical end.
                        And after what time should the end come? Million?
                2. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 1 August 2016 23: 16
                  -1
                  Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                  Not okay. If by the beginning of January 1917 Germany was on the verge of defeat, then in early January it should have surrendered

                  She was on the verge of defeat in the event of a planned offensive. After one front actually lost its combat effectiveness, the position of the Germans became much easier. And given the fact that on the second front they were waiting for the United States to enter the war, it was necessary to promote the "future stronghold of world democracy", then everything is very simple.
                  Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                  But she and by September 1918 could not be defeated by military force

                  Which of the Yankees fighters have long been known to all.
                  1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                    Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 08: 47
                    0
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    She was on the verge of defeat in the event of a planned offensive.

                    This is nothing more than an attempt to give out wishful thinking.

                    At the end of the 1916 year, all of Russia's allies in the Entente were informed that they should not expect any active actions from Russia in the upcoming 1917 company, since the Russian army is no longer capable of waging an offensive war.

                    As the summer offensive attempts undertaken by the Provisional Government showed.
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 2 August 2016 19: 57
                      0
                      Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                      since the Russian army is no longer capable of waging an offensive war

                      General Brusilov thought differently, as did the leadership of the then putschists.
                      Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                      then showed the summer offensive attempts undertaken by the Provisional Government

                      Which began after it ruined discipline by order No. 1?
                      1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 22: 53
                        -1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        General Brusilov thought otherwise
                        General Brusilov commanded only one front. And he simply could not know about the true situation on the other fronts and in the rear. At the same time, he couldn’t bring complete order at his front either, since desertion was in the U.-Z. front before the abdication of the king took on absolutely indecent dimensions. From April to June of the 1916 year, an average of 4 300 people were detained per month in the area of ​​the South-Western Front. On the railway of the South-West during this period another 5 284 people were caught. This is only the South-West. And it is only those who were detained. And how many could not detain?
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Which began after it destroyed the discipline by order No. 1
                        The soldier riots associated with the refusal to attack began at the end of the 1916 year. And already in January of the 1917 of the year (i.e., three months before the appearance of Order No. 1) they became a real sign of the times. As well as fraternization with the Germans, which generally began back in December 1914.
                      2. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 4 August 2016 06: 41
                        0
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        General Brusilov commanded only one front. And he simply could not know about the true situation on the other fronts and in the rear.

                        “You know that the firm decision to use the war to carry out a coup was made shortly after the start of the war, you also know that our army was to go on the offensive (in the spring of 1917), the results of which would radically stop all hints of discontent and cause there would be an explosion of patriotism and glee in the country. You understand now why at the last minute I hesitated to give my consent to the coup, you also understand what my internal state should be like at the present time. History will curse the leaders of the so-called proletarians, but curse us, too, who caused the storm. ”
                        From a letter from Milyukov.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Soldier riots associated with the refusal to attack began in late 1916
                        It was only then that order was quickly restored. But the deserters were banally lacking the NKVD, this is the question of the cruelty of the tsarist government. But discipline in the army was completely destroyed just after the revolution.
                      3. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 4 August 2016 10: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        From a letter from Milyukov.

                        It will not be difficult to explain what relation the quote from the letter of Milyukov has to my writing?

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        It was only then that order was quickly restored.

                        Nevertheless, the unrest continued to grow like a snowball. This ultimately led to the conclusion: by January 1917 of the year, the RIA was limitedly suitable for further warfare. And the longer the war lasted, the less resistance the army demonstrated.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        But discipline in the army was completely destroyed just after the revolution.
                        "When they repeat at every step that the Bolsheviks were the cause of the collapse of the army, I protest. This is not true. The army was destroyed by others ...".

                        A.I. Denikin
                      4. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 4 August 2016 19: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        It will not be difficult to explain what relation the quote from the letter of Milyukov has to my writing?
                        But you wanted the opinion of a person who was aware of the state of affairs in the entire Republic of Ingushetia, and not on one front, like General Brusilov.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        by January 1917, the RIA was limitedly suitable for further warfare.
                        Nevertheless, it was on the eve of 1917 that she practically carried out Austria and Turkey and was preparing for the offensive
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        And the longer the war lasted, the less resistance the army demonstrated.
                        There was already order No.1.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        "When they repeat at every step that the Bolsheviks were the cause of the collapse of the army, I protest. This is not true. The army was destroyed by others ..."
                        A.I. Denikin

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Which began after it ruined discipline by order No. 1?

                        Order No. 1 was issued by the Provisional Government. The Bolsheviks participated in the collapse of the army, but their role at that time was small.
                      5. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 4 August 2016 21: 56
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        But you wanted the opinion of a person who was aware of the state of affairs in the entire Republic of Ingushetia, and not on one front, like General Brusilov.

                        How did you decide that I wanted to know this opinion? Which of my words does this conclusion follow from?

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Nevertheless, it was on the eve of 1917 that she practically carried out Austria and Turkey and was preparing for the offensive

                        This is propaganda. The reality was that as a result of the Brusilovsky breakthrough, Russia's strategic position significantly worsened and became simply disastrous. The front stretched out more than a third and to plug this hole, troops had to be pulled from all other sections, which were thus significantly weakened. Consequently, there was no question of any continuation of active hostilities. A passive strategy is a sure way to defeat. What ultimately happened.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        There was already order No.1.

                        A few months before its appearance.
                      6. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 5 August 2016 17: 28
                        0
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        How did you decide that I wanted to know this opinion? Which of my words does this conclusion follow from?

                        So these are not your words:
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        General Brusilov commanded only one front. And he simply could not know about the true situation on the other fronts and in the rear.
                        You really remember what you write.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        This is propaganda. The reality was that

                        By the beginning of 1917, the Republic of Ingushetia was able to resolve issues with the supply of weapons, practically defeat the armies of Austria-Hungary and Turkey, concentrating all its forces on Germany, which simply had nowhere to take reserves from. Consequently, there was no talk of any defeat.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        A few months before its appearance.

                        Order No. 1 was published on March 1 (14), 1917.
                        The June offensive or "Kerensky offensive" began on June 16 (29), 1917.
                        Do not consider it work, please explain how it turned out that, in your opinion, this attack was several months before the appearance of this order.
      6. Akselruur
        Akselruur 1 August 2016 11: 39
        +2
        Quote: Mahmut
        Germany declared war on Russia.

        excuse me, but conducting a mobilization is tantamount to declaring war, so ...
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 1 August 2016 23: 26
          0
          July 26, Austria-Hungary announces mobilization and begins to concentrate troops on the border with Serbia and Russia.
          July 28, Austria-Hungary, declaring that the requirements of the ultimatum are not fulfilled, declares war on Serbia. Austro-Hungarian heavy artillery begins shelling Belgrade, and regular Austro-Hungarian troops cross the Serbian border. Russia declares that it will not allow the occupation of Serbia. In the French army, vacation ends.
          On July 29, Nicholas II sent a telegram to William II with a proposal “to refer the Austro-Serbian question to the Hague Conference” (to the International Court of Arbitration in The Hague). Wilhelm II did not answer this telegram.
          On July 29, leave was stopped in the German army.
      7. jktu66
        jktu66 1 August 2016 12: 10
        0
        Nikolai Aleksandrovich has a lot of claims on HE, most of which are not deserved. So we were brought up in the USSR.
        1. tatra
          tatra 1 August 2016 12: 13
          +5
          Quote: jktu66
          So we were brought up in the USSR.

          Soviet propaganda is a model of honesty in comparison with the anti-Soviet propaganda of the enemies of the Communists both in the USSR and in the West.
      8. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 1 August 2016 20: 57
        +3
        Quote: Mahmut
        Germany declared war on Russia.

        Yeah, yeah, in response to this: "if Austria, recognizing that the Austro-Hungarian question has assumed a common European character, declares itself ready to delete from its ultimatum items that harm Serbia, Russia is obliged to stop military preparations." This is Sazonov's cheat sheet for Pourtales, who did not know what to write to his Kaiser Willie. And having declared war, nemchura asked Nikolashka not to cross her borders. As for the prisoners, the British and the paddling pools were kept in much better conditions.
    3. vkl.47
      vkl.47 1 August 2016 07: 23
      +3
      let's not forget about 《attack of the dead》. legendary feat
      1. Alexey T. (Oper)
        Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 11: 18
        +1
        Quote: vkl.47
        let's not forget about 《attack of the dead》. legendary feat

        To clarify - a mythical feat. Since there was no "attack of the dead" in the form in which it is described by modern dreamer-journalists. There was a usual counterattack of fresh forces pulled up from the rear positions of the Zemlyansk Fort.
        1. Alexey T. (Oper)
          Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 11: 47
          +1
          To all minus minors: before setting a minus, take a look at the real history of the issue.
          I recommend the notes of the participants of the defense of Osovets Svechnikov and Bunyakovsky. On the network they are in the public domain.

          http://militera.lib.ru/h/svechnikov_ms01/index.html

          They actually describe these events almost minute by minute and directly point out that in reality there was no "attack of the dead" in the clubs of poisonous gases, spitting out pieces of lungs, faces wrapped in bloody rags and other journalistic inventions.
          1. Akselruur
            Akselruur 1 August 2016 15: 51
            -5
            Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
            and directly indicate that there was no "attack of the dead" in the clouds of poisonous gases ... in reality there was

            Well, why are you so, face, but in a rough reality? After all, it was so nice to dream "of valor, of exploits, of glory ... when ..." the aroma of a French roll completely deprives the mind of an adequate perception of reality. So you can earn cognitive dissonance too!
            1. Alexey T. (Oper)
              Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 16: 05
              -1
              Quote: AkselRuur
              Well, why are you so, face, but in brute reality?

              "Socrates is my friend, but the truth is dearer" (c)

              Such "heroic" myths do nothing but harm. Because they give rise to a conviction in our exceptional invincibility, which in turn gives rise to an underestimation of the enemy and a hatred attitude. And we already received the consequences of such sentiments in the Russo-Japanese War and in the Winter War of 1939-40, which turned into unnecessary bloody losses of the people.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 1 August 2016 23: 05
                +3
                Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                //militera.lib.ru/h/svechnikov_ms01/index.html

                The head of the second department of defense ordered the 13th company to move from the Zarochny Fort to the Sosnenskaya position, to detain the Germans at all costs to the fortress and return ...
                ... the 13th company, which was the garrison of the Zarochny Fort, had already lost 20 people poisoned by gases, the commander Lt. Kotlinsky was also poisoned by them, but remained in service ...

                http://elib.shpl.ru/ru/nodes/14107-svechnikov-m-s-oborona-kreposti-osovets-vo-vr
                emya-vtoroy-6-1-2-mesyachnoy-osady-ee-pg-1917#page/53/mode/inspect/zoom/4
                It was yours
                Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                regular counterattack of fresh forces pulled up from the rear
                Have you read what you are referring to?
                Quote: AkselRuur
                Well, why are you so, face, but in a rough reality? After all, it was so nice to dream "of valor, of exploits, of glory ... when ..." the aroma of a French roll completely deprives the mind of an adequate perception of reality. So you can earn cognitive dissonance too!
                Excuse me, that I face you so, yes, in rude reality? So you can earn cognitive dissonance. You yourself did not go under the gases?
                1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                  Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 09: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Have you read what you are referring to?

                  Yes, I, unlike you, always carefully read what I then rely on in conversations.

                  So: at the time of the gas assault, the 13th company of the 226th Zemlyansky regiment was several kilometers behind the front line of the Sosnyanskaya position and constituted the garrison of the Zarechensky fort. The company practically suffered little from a gas attack, losing only 20 people poisoned (the infantry company in the state was 242 people, it was not known how complete it was at the time of the attack, but due to the absence of active military operations it was clearly high).

                  In addition to the 13 company, the counterattack itself was attended by two more fresh reserve companies of the Zemlyansk regiment - the 8 and 14.

                  A company counterattack began a few hours after the gas cloud passed. During this time, the Germans managed to occupy the Sosnenskaya position, suppressing the remaining centers of resistance, and spread deep into our defense. At the same time, they fell under the concentrated fire of the serf artillery, which managed to put the fire curtain and cut off the main forces of the attackers still on the way.

                  On the forces of the Germans. All German units in the Osovets region, in total, numbered 14 battalions (we had 15 battalions in our fortress, including 6 militia battalions). On the offensive, the Germans went in three regiments, with each regiment forming a group of 200 scouts to refine the results of the gas attack and suppress the residual resistance of the defenders of the fortress. It is likely that these groups were cut off by Russian artillery from the main forces, after which they were counterattacked by our fresh reserves.

                  The attack itself developed as follows: the companies went on the offensive from a distance of 2 km, approached 500 steps and turned into battle formations. At the same time, the commander of the 13 company Kotlinsky managed to personally conduct reconnaissance, after which he led the company into the attack. There was no cowardly escape of the Germans; they were driven out of our trenches with bayonets and grenades, i.e. It was a hard and fairly long battle.

                  And the whole reflection of the gas storm in total lasted 7 hours (!)

                  Bottom line: conclusions about the authenticity of journalistic myths, with running around in clouds of gas in bloody rags on their faces, spitting out pieces of lungs and other verbal husks, a sane person can well do independently.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 2 August 2016 20: 30
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                    Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                    The company practically suffered little from a gas attack, losing only 20 people poisoned
                    And where were the rest? Gas is not a bullet, and if a company came under gas attack, it means that everyone who was in the unit’s location was hit. 20 people lost, but the rest should not have been very fun.
                    Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                    A company counterattack began a few hours after the gas cloud passed
                    Truth? We read the description:
                    ... A company, having crossed a bridge and a creep about a mile long, under strong artillery fire of a baking sheet, poisoned by already suffocating gases ...
                    That is, the soldiers who had already sniffed the gas, but got off relatively "easily", if I may say so, went into a poisonous fog, which was in no hurry to dissipate under enemy fire. Another historical work:
                    The 13th company, having met parts of the 18th landver regiment, with a cry of "Hurray" rushed into hostility. This attack of the “dead”, according to an eyewitness to the battle, so impressed the Germans that they did not accept the battle and rushed back, many Germans died on wire nets in front of the second line of trenches from the fire of the fortress artillery. The concentrated fire of the fortress artillery at the trenches of the first line (Leonov’s yard) was so strong that the Germans did not accept the attack and hastily retreated ...
                    ... The gases fired by the Germans on August 6 were dark green in color — it was chlorine mixed with bromine. The gas wave, which had about 3 km of front along the front, quickly spread to the sides and, after 10 km, was already about 8 km wide; the height of the gas wave above the bridgehead was about 10-15 m.
                    All living things in the open air on the bridgehead of the fortress were poisoned to death, serf artillery suffered heavy losses during the shooting; people not participating in the battle escaped to the barracks, shelters, apartment buildings, locking doors and windows tightly, pouring plenty of water on them. At 12 km from the place of gas production, in the villages of Ovechka, Zhodzi, Malaya Kramkovka, 18 people were seriously poisoned; cases of poisoning of animals are known - horses and cows. At the Monki station, located 18 km from the place of gas release, no cases of poisoning were observed.

                    (S. A. Khmelkova “The Struggle for the Osovets”)
                    Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                    During this time, the Germans managed to take the Sosna position, suppressing the remaining centers of resistance, and spread deep into our defense. At the same time, they fell under the concentrated fire of the serf artillery, which managed to put the fire curtain and cut off the main forces of the attackers still on the way.
                    You forgot to mention that these gunners were just in the midst of a gas attack and continued the battle as soon as they recovered and received almost no medical attention.
                    Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                    There was no cowardly escape of the Germans; they were driven out of our trenches with bayonets and grenades, i.e. It was a hard and fairly long battle. And the whole reflection of the gas storm in total lasted 7 hours.
                    If you do not understand, then the attack of the dead is the attack of the 13th company of the units of the 18th Landwehr Regiment, and not the whole story of repelling the assault, which stretched out for several hours. But at the same time all the defenders sniffed the gas.
                    1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                      Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 23: 04
                      +1
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      And where were the rest?

                      In the casemates where the gas just didn’t get. Zarechny fort was located a few kilometers in the rear of the Sosnenskaya position. At the same time, the weather on that day was not particularly favorable for a gas attack: it was cold and damp, and humid and cold air significantly reduced the effect of chlorine. Plus, the cloud itself, until it reached the fort, flowed over several water barriers: streams, swamps, ditches. Which further reduced the toxic effect.

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Truth? We read the description:

                      They didn’t start reading from there. Read must begin from the moment the Germans went on the attack, waiting for the end of the effects of gases. And you understand that it took clearly more than one hour.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Another historical work: S. A. Khmelkova “The struggle for the Osovets”
                      Khmelkov himself was not an eyewitness to the events, but described them from other people's words. Hence the obvious mistakes in his description.


                      Quote: Dart2027
                      You forgot to mention that these gunners were just in the midst of a gas attack and continued the battle as soon as they could recover

                      Apparently there was no special "scorching heat" if the fortress artillery opened fire as soon as the Germans began to attack with infantry. At the same time, they managed to cut off the main forces of the Germans even behind the wire barriers of the Sosnenskaya position, where only groups of their scouts were able to break through.

                      Quote: Dart2027
                      If you do not understand, then the attack of the dead is the attack of the 13 company of the units of the 18-th Landver Regiment,
                      They explain again: there was no "attack of the dead". This is a journalistic invention.

                      There was a counterattack of fresh reserve companies, which began a considerable period after the end of the gas attack. And this counterattack ended with a fierce bayonet and grenade battle in the trenches of the Sosnenskaya position (i.e., the Germans did not flee in panic but fought until they were knocked out of the trenches).

                      And believe me, from this the heroism of the Osovets defenders did not decrease at all. Because the Germans in that war were the most powerful army in the world.
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 3 August 2016 20: 45
                        0
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        In casemates where the gas simply didn’t get ... Which further reduced the toxic effect.
                        So there was no poison in the casemates? And where did the poisoned then come from - didn’t think of hiding? Something I did not see indications of your theory.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        They didn’t start reading from there.
                        Then where did the gases that they poisoned come from?
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Apparently there was no special "scorching heat" if the fortress artillery opened fire
                        That is, the idea that they were heroes you cannot allow. Gap template. However, if you can find witnesses to the fact that there was no hell, but like that, then I will be glad to read.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Khmelkov himself was not an eyewitness to the events
                        During the First World War, he participated in the defense of the Osovets fortress, was twice shell-shocked, and received gas poisoning during a chemical attack on the fortress. I think that a person who has experienced all the charms of this rubbish in his own skin will understand this issue. Or not?
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        They explain again: there was no "attack of the dead". This is a journalistic invention.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        If you do not understand, then attack of the dead is an attack of 13 companies parts of the 18th landver regiment, not the whole story of the reflection of the assault, which lasted for several hours. But at the same time all the defenders sniffed the gas.

                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        This is a journalistic fiction.
                        S. A. Khmelkov, a veteran of that siege.
                      2. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 4 August 2016 10: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        So there was no poison in the casemates? And where did the poisoned then come from - didn’t think of hiding? Something I did not see indications of your theory.

                        In the garrison of Zarechny Fort. The poisoned ones were probably observers who were outside. The oracle-witnesses do not explain this. They only state a low level of gas losses from the 13 company.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, the idea that they were heroes you cannot allow.

                        This paradoxical conclusion follows only from your inability to present the course of development "live", in colors and faces.
                        And everything is very simple: the Germans started gas. They waited until the gas cloud in their opinion reliably destroys all life at the forefront and dissipates to an acceptable concentration. Since there are no fools to attack right behind the gas cloud, you can also get poisoned by yourself and fall under the fire of the surviving defenders. Then they went on the attack and fell under the fire of our fortress artillery, which by that time had also managed to put itself in order after a gas attack (given that the gases had reached its positions already having significantly lost its poisonous force for this).

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        S. A. Khmelkov, a veteran of that siege.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        During the First World War, he participated in the defense of the Osovets fortress, was twice shell-shocked, and received gas poisoning during a chemical attack on the fortress.

                        And now we carefully read what he writes: Here is how he wrote about this episode of Khmelkov:
                        "The 13th company, meeting parts of the 18th Landwehr Regiment, with a cry of" hurray "rushed into the bayonets. This attack of the" dead " HOW DOES AN OWNER OF A BATTLE TRANSFER, so amazed the Germans that they did not accept the battle and rushed back "- SA Khmelkov" Fight for Osovets. "State Military Publishing House of the USSR People's Commissariat of Defense, Moscow - 1939

                        The highlighted phrase just indicates that the author himself did not see this counterattack, but describes it from other people's words. What you wrote about above. And this is understandable: at that moment he was most likely in the infirmary poisoned by gases. And he was not at all up to watching the development of events.
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 4 August 2016 20: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        They only state a low level of gas losses from the 13th company.

                        That is, all you can say is exclusively speculation? The fact that the company was attacked by gas and the fact that it went on the attack, being exposed to them, is indicated very clearly and unambiguously. Any other information?
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        This paradoxical conclusion follows only from your inability to present the course of development "live", in colors and faces.

                        Try to breathe this rubbish, and then tell how you will manage to put yourself in order (about significantly losing your poisonous power it is only your speculation), because the fact that a gas wave passed through the positions was also said clearly and unambiguously.
                        The gas wave, which had about 3 km of front along the front, quickly spread to the sides and, after 10 km, was already about 8 km wide; the height of the gas wave above the bridgehead was about 10-15 m.
                        All living things in the open air on the bridgehead of the fortress were poisoned to death, serf artillery suffered heavy losses during the shooting; people not participating in the battle escaped to the barracks, shelters, apartment buildings, locking doors and windows tightly, pouring plenty of water on them. At 12 km from the place of gas production, in the villages of Ovechka, Zhodzi, Malaya Kramkovka, 18 people were seriously poisoned; cases of poisoning of animals are known - horses and cows. At the Monki station, located 18 km from the place of gas release, no cases of poisoning were observed.

                        (S. A. Khmelkova “The Struggle for the Osovets”)
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        The highlighted phrase just indicates that the author himself did not see this counterattack, but describes it from other people's words.
                        Which does not change the fact that he talked with direct participants in the events, and from personal experience could judge their reality.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        you can do it yourself
                        In contrast to the defenders of the fortress, the Germans had gas masks.
                      4. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 4 August 2016 22: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        That is, all you can say is exclusively speculation?

                        Yes, this is an invention of journalists who were tasked to urgently come up with a heroic feat to raise the spirit of the army, after the catastrophic and shameful retreat of the 1915 year.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        The fact that the company was attacked by gas and the fact that it went on the attack, being exposed to them, is indicated very clearly and unambiguously.

                        They already explained to you that the counterattack began a few hours after the gas attack ended. This follows both from the account of eyewitnesses describing the details of the gas assault and from the simple logic of events.

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Which does not change the fact that he talked with direct participants in the events, and from personal experience could judge their reality.

                        It changes everything. The person gives a description of what he himself did not see but only heard from others. In common parlance, this is called: "one woman spoke."

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        In contrast to the defenders of the fortress, the Germans had gas masks.

                        But only from the well-known descriptions it is not visible that they used them. But it can be clearly seen that they started the attack after the end of the gas exposure.
                      5. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 5 August 2016 16: 51
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                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Yes, this is an invention of journalists who were tasked to urgently come up with a heroic feat to raise the spirit of the army, after the catastrophic and shameful retreat of the 1915 year.
                        Truth? Well well. The expression “attack of the dead” when describing the counterattack of the 13th company of the 226th Zemlyansky regiment appeared in the book “The Struggle for the Osovets” by S. A. Khmelkov, published in 1939. Learn, finally, materiel.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        They already explained to you that the counterattack began a few hours after the gas attack ended. This follows both from the account of eyewitnesses describing the details of the gas assault and from the simple logic of events ...
                        ... But it can be clearly seen that they started the attack after the end of the gas exposure.
                        Eyewitnesses wrote that the 13th company attacked after being exposed to toxic substances. Quotes of the opposite in the studio.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        and from the simple logic of events.
                        That is, the Germans waited for the defenders to recover, let them calmly tighten their reserves, replace the gunners - and only then attacked. Strange logic The point of a gas attack or artillery bombardment before the offensive is that they attack the enemy immediately after shells or gases have passed through him.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        It changes everything. The person gives a description of what he himself did not see but only heard from others. In common parlance, this is called: "one woman spoke."
                        Do you mean yourself? You definitely weren’t there, but at the same time you decided for some reason that you knew what really happened.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        But only from the well-known descriptions it is not visible that they used them.
                        And did the Germans send their soldiers without worrying about defenses?
                      6. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 4 August 2016 22: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        (about significantly losing your poisonous power, this is exclusively your speculation

                        Just read the relevant literature about the specifics of using chlorine. And all at once will fall into place.
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        because the fact that a gas wave passed through the positions was also said clearly and unambiguously.

                        And no one denied this. That's just, while it reached the positions of artillery, the wave had already weakened to a significant extent, for completely natural reasons.
                      7. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 5 August 2016 16: 52
                        0
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Just read related literature

                        Where it is clearly said that gas:
                        The gas wave, which had about 3 km of front along the front, quickly spread to the sides and, after 10 km, was already about 8 km wide; the height of the gas wave above the bridgehead was about 10-15 m.
    4. excomandante
      excomandante 1 August 2016 07: 30
      +3
      The position of the church is approximately the same - he was canonized not for what he did or did not, but for what they did to him. That is, he was killed as an Orthodox monarch. And it’s difficult to judge him without a mat)))
      1. svp67
        svp67 1 August 2016 08: 07
        +2
        Quote: excomandante
        like an Orthodox monarch

        It is no longer accurate, a person who wrote with his own hand a renunciation of power is no longer a monarch.
        1. Svidetel 45
          Svidetel 45 2 August 2016 00: 23
          +1
          And where to get to, when the entire military elite demanded renunciation, as they say, they took it by the throat, of course, he could have refused, but then most likely an "accident" would have happened to him, as has happened more than once in the history of Russia.
      2. bober1982
        bober1982 1 August 2016 08: 29
        -4
        excomandante: That is, he was killed as an Orthodox monarch.

        All right, the assassination of the Tsar and the family was ritual, it has nothing to do with the Marxists. Now they are eager to prove that it was an excess of revolution, and not an act of satanic forces.
      3. qwert
        qwert 1 August 2016 08: 56
        +2
        Quote: excomandante
        The position of the church is approximately the same - he was canonized not for what he did or did not, but for what they did to him. That is, he was killed as an Orthodox monarch.

        He was killed as a Romanov citizen. Years after renunciation. Therefore, on the Bolsheviks there is no blood of the monarch, but on the nobles and Peter III and Paul. They would be connanized. No matter how righteous Alexy II was, he himself declared his dislike and resentment against the Communists. Here it was human, not religious. He canonized for personal grievances and for political purposes.
        1. tatra
          tatra 1 August 2016 09: 19
          -4
          Quote: qwert
          He canonized for personal grievances and for political purposes.

          Yes, all this praise of strictly one, the last Russian Emperor, strictly Russian enemies of the Communists, starting with their "Liberator" Gorbachev, is deceitful and hypocritical for the sake of profit in their anti-Soviet propaganda.
      4. Alexey T. (Oper)
        Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 11: 20
        +2
        Quote: excomandante
        I mean, he was killed as an Orthodox monarch

        But what, did the death of the family of citizen Romanov bear the imprint of religious persecution? Not at all. No signs indicating this have yet been found.
        It was recorded as a saint, since the emigration needed a banner under which it could combine its disparate efforts to break up the USSR.
        1. Aleksander
          Aleksander 1 August 2016 12: 03
          +4
          Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
          He was recorded as a saint, since the emigration needed a banner under which she could combine her disparate efforts to the collapse of the USSR.


          You again nonsense carry:

          Decision of the Bishops' Council of the Russian Orthodox Church from August 14 2000 of the year: “Glorify as sufferers in the host of new martyrs and confessors of the Russian royal family: Emperor Nicholas II, Empress Alexandra, Tsarevich Alexy, Grand Dukes Olga, Tatiana, Mary and Anastasia ”

          Which USSR in 2000 yearwhich ones are white? fool
          1. Alexey T. (Oper)
            Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 12: 11
            +1
            Quote: Aleksander
            Again you are talking nonsense:
            What is the USSR in 2000, which are white?

            Instead of drumming themselves on a yellow ball replacing some with their heads, they would be interested in the history of the matter.

            The family of the bloody citizen Romanov was canonized back in 1938 by the Serbian Orthodox Church. Hedgehog it is clear that the main role in this undertaking was played by emigrant White Guard circles who settled in Europe after the end of the Civil War. In the 1981 year, the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia joined this decision, which imposed this stupidity on the partiarchy of Moscow in the 2000 year.

            So canonization is in reality no more than a political step to unite white emigration.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 1 August 2016 12: 24
              +1
              Hedgehog it is clear that the main role in this undertaking was played by emigrant White Guard circles
              This did not happen, and could not be - whites fought under republican slogans, very chaotic. They betrayed the tsar, and not only in February 1917, the white emigrants themselves were rabble, they were not up to the tsar.
              1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 12: 27
                -2
                Quote: bober1982
                This did not happen, and could not be - whites fought under republican slogans

                "Never say never" (c).
                By all means, not the Serbs there podsuvilis with the canonization of the family citizen Romanova.
            2. Aleksander
              Aleksander 1 August 2016 20: 59
              -3
              Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
              Citizen Romanova was canonized yet in 1938 year by the Serbian Orthodox Church. Hedgehog it’s clear that the main role in this undertaking was played by the emigrant White Guard circles who settled in Europe after the end of the Civil War


              I got into a comm and got out, such a funny one. fool

              What a "banner" smile association Russian white emigration already through TWENTY YEARS of emigration (there is a minority of monarchists in it), created not Russian PTsZ, and few people knew about the Serbian Church? fool
              But the ROCOR did not carry out canonization because there were persistent rumors that Nikolai ... was alive. The official funeral of the royal family occurred 1968 only

              Did not know, and admit it.
              1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 21: 14
                -1
                Quote: Aleksander
                Got a comic

                How self-critical you are.

                Quote: Aleksander
                What a "banner" for the unification of the Russian white emigration after TWENTY YEARS of emigration (there are only a minority of monarchists in it),

                Ordinary such an eccentric. The one that could unite all the russophobic gold-chasing scum, which the Russian people kicked in the ass kicked out of the country, throwing it from their neck. And she so dreamed of returning that she even went into the service of the German Nazis.

                Quote: Aleksander
                But the ROCOR did not carry out canonization because there were persistent rumors that Nikolai ... was alive.
                Ravings of a madman... fool
                1. Aleksander
                  Aleksander 1 August 2016 23: 41
                  -4
                  Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                  Ordinary such an eccentric.


                  Yes, yes, RUSSIAN a banner made not by Russian, but Serbian church for Russian little monarchical emigration. And after 20 years.

                  I got into a comedian again. Not tired of him?
                  Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                  But the ROCOR did not carry out canonization because there were persistent rumors that Nikolai ... was alive.Ravings of a madman


                  Enlighten you: psychopath ( especially crazy psychic) it always seems that everyone around is raving, and he’s the norm. smile

                  Read on the topic before eating.
                  1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                    Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 09: 10
                    0
                    Quote: Aleksander
                    Yes, the RUSSIAN banner, made not by the Russian, but by the Serbian Church for the Russian monarchist emigration. And after 20 years.

                    But what difference is it a Russian church or Serbian? Serbs are Orthodox Christians, i.e. professing the same religion. Therefore, the decisions made by their hierarchs have the same power for Russian Orthodox as the hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church (unless of course this is really an Orthodox believer and not a figurine pretending to be such).
                    Quote: Aleksander
                    I’ll enlighten you: to a psychopath (especially a psycho-comic) it always seems that everyone around is raving, and he is the very normul.
                    What serious knowledge you have in the field of psychopath consciousness is clearly based on personal experience. Have you been discharged from the hospital for a long time?
                    1. Aleksander
                      Aleksander 2 August 2016 11: 43
                      -1
                      Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                      Therefore, the decisions made by their hierarchs have the same power for Russian Orthodox as the hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church (unless of course this is really an Orthodox believer and not a figurine pretending to be such).

                      Your nonsense is already just off scale: [b] Serbs [/ b] decided for .... [b] Russians / b] Mandatory with fool
                      You are just ridiculous.

                      Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                      What serious knowledge you have in the field of psychopath consciousness is clearly based on personal experience


                      That's it, your remark only confirmed that:
                      to a psychopath (especially a psycho-commic) it always seems that everyone around is raving, and he is the very norm
                      1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 11: 55
                        0
                        Quote: Aleksander

                        Your nonsense is already just off scale: [b] Serbs [/ b] decided for .... [b] Russians / b] Mandatory with fool
                        You are just ridiculous.

                        Once again, for the especially dull: not the Serbs, but the Orthodox Church. Do you catch the difference? And she made this decision for believers. No matter what nationality they are.
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        3. Svidetel 45
          Svidetel 45 2 August 2016 00: 30
          +3
          That's right, the dead Nicholas was needed for emigration as a unifying anti-Bolshevik banner, but the living did not need it, since no serious attempts were made to save it, although there were plenty of opportunities in that chaos.
    5. Andrey K
      Andrey K 1 August 2016 07: 38
      +7
      Quote: Valery Valery
      I still can’t understand why Nicholas II is a saint. It is he who is personally responsible for drawing Russia into this war.

      An interesting formulation of the question, from the series: "Two crocodiles flew ..."
      And where did you see the connection between the canonization of Nicholas II and the foundation of Russia's entry into the WWII?
      And who told you about the "personal responsibility" of the Russian Emperor?
      Why don't you introduce the distinguished colleagues to the personal responsibility of Austrian William II? After all, it was he who ignored the possibility of The Hague on the issue of the Gavrilo Principle ...
      1. Valery Valery
        Valery Valery 1 August 2016 08: 00
        0
        The last Russian monarch "Nicolas" betrayed his country twice: for the first time he entered the war for the interests of others (actually for others), and then also abdicated the throne. Traitor, Traitor, Traitor ...
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 1 August 2016 08: 10
          +9
          It is interesting to discuss with you. It’s like with a wall ...
          You did not answer the question and continued to stomp with fanaticism on the history of Russia (and the Emperor is a historical figure, isn’t it) ...
          Dear, do you have anything besides slogans?
          1. co-creator
            co-creator 1 August 2016 09: 53
            -2
            Quote: Andrey K
            You did not answer the question and continued to stomp around the history of Russia with fanaticism (and the Emperor is a historical figure, isn’t it)

            Where did he stomp around?
            1. Betrayed by joining a warrior with an unprepared army and not for his own interests. Fact.
            2. During the war, he abdicated (scared to save his life) and thereby betrayed tens of millions of his citizens and millions of soldiers and officers who still believed him. Traitor.
            Refute.
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 1 August 2016 10: 04
              +5
              Quotation: blooded man
              Where did he stomp around?
              1. Betrayed by joining a warrior with an unprepared army and not for his own interests. Fact.
              2. During the war, he abdicated (scared to save his life) and thereby betrayed tens of millions of his citizens and millions of soldiers and officers who still believed him. Traitor.
              Refute.

              How can one refute or not refute (or, to confirm) foolishness, in turn, not confirmed by anything. Are you your slogans about the betrayal of the Emperor by someone or something you can back up with documents?
              If not, stop tarnishing the history of Imperial Russia hi
              1. tatra
                tatra 1 August 2016 10: 11
                -4
                Quote: Andrey K
                Are you your slogans about the betrayal of the Emperor by someone or something you can back up with documents?

                And what caused your "violent anger"?
                The person wrote everything correctly. No documents are needed here.
                Nicholas II plunged Russia and the Russian people into the unnecessary World War I for the interests of France and Serbia, and at the very height of the war threw them.
                If any commander abandons his soldiers and officers during the war, this is called a crime.
                1. Andrey K
                  Andrey K 1 August 2016 10: 26
                  +8
                  Quote: tatra

                  And what caused your "violent anger"?
                  The person wrote everything correctly. No documents are needed here.

                  You overstate. Anger can cause something extremely unfair. Here I asked our colleague to substantiate his words by saying "a" and "b" must be said. We are not on the political tussle of the Emperor's denunciators.
                  Nicholas II plunged Russia and the Russian people into the unnecessary World War I for the interests of France and Serbia, and at the very height of the war threw them.

                  Justify your statement. Refer to historical documents that say that Russia entered the WWI because of the interests of France ...
                  If any commander abandons his soldiers and officers during the war, this is called a crime.

                  In general, an interesting formulation of the question. I went through this in one educational institution for the special services, back in the USSR. You declare the truth, which is known to everyone and is not refuted by anyone: "any commander will abandon his soldiers and officers during the war" - this is called a crime and you bring it in connection with the topic under discussion. It is called manipulation и juggling, but not a reasoned answer. hi
                  1. tatra
                    tatra 1 August 2016 10: 33
                    +2
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    Justify your statement. Refer to historical documents that say that Russia entered the WWI because of the interests of France ...

                    For example, not "Bolshevik propaganda", but from the memoirs of Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich: "In a conversation with me, he burst out a confession that he could have avoided war if he had decided to change France and Serbia, but that he did not want this. No matter how fatal and one-sided the Franco-Russian alliance was, Russia wanted to abide by its obligations. "

                    And then, maybe you will justify for the sake of what interests of Russia and the Russian people Nicholas II entered the First World War, in which over 3 million of his subjects died in 3 years (according to the Krivosheev commission), and Russia suffered great material damage?
                    And then you just love to criticize someone else's opinion.
                    1. Andrey K
                      Andrey K 1 August 2016 10: 41
                      +6
                      Quote: tatra
                      And then you just love to criticize someone else's opinion.

                      Not a colleague, you are wrong in this case hi
                      I am interested in the opinion of the interlocutor, I note - the interlocutor who knows the "texture" of the topic under discussion. But "empty", useless slogans are really annoying.
                      Please pay attention to your excerpts from the memoirs of Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich:
                      Russia wanted to comply with its obligations

                      In my opinion, this explains everything. Russia has always complied with its obligations hi
                      1. tatra
                        tatra 1 August 2016 10: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        I’m interested in the opinion of the interlocutor,

                        And from you, I see only the opinion of the critic. And you with your comment have confirmed the correctness of my words and the consuls.
                        Which was required to prove.
                      2. Andrey K
                        Andrey K 1 August 2016 10: 57
                        +5
                        Quote: tatra
                        And from you, I see only the opinion of the critic. And you with your comment have confirmed the correctness of my words and the consuls.

                        Here I am not your assistant. Everyone sees what he wants to see hi
                        Which was required to prove.

                        Who and what you "proved" can only guess. Well, this is good, since it suits you laughing
                    2. Akselruur
                      Akselruur 1 August 2016 15: 59
                      -1
                      Quote: tatra
                      in 3 years more than 3 million of his subjects died

                      And these are just military losses, and civilian casualties were not recorded at all. What for? Women give birth to new ones.
                  2. co-creator
                    co-creator 1 August 2016 10: 41
                    0
                    Quote: Andrey K

                    Justify your statement. Refer to historical documents that say that Russia entered the WWI because of the interests of France ...

                    What were the interests of RI in WWI? Easy . France gave loans !!! under the construction of strategic roads towards Germany (which were not even a quarter loaded in peacetime), when in Russia, for example, there was no road to Murmansk and there were also few internal roads. Loans were given for military preparations and after the conclusion of unions.
                    What territorial claims did RI have against Germany and AB?

                    Quote: Andrey K
                    I did this in one educational institution for special services, back in the USSR.

                    if only on the rear.
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    You declare the truth, which is known to everyone and is not refuted by anyone: "any commander will abandon his soldiers and officers during the war" - this is called a crime and you bring it in connection with the topic under discussion. This is called manipulation and manipulation, but not a reasoned answer.

                    Where is the juggling? The king abandoned his army and people during the war, this is a betrayal. HE SENT MILLIONS of his citizens for slaughter, and when he was in danger, he easily abandoned everyone. This is called betrayal. Maybe you were taught differently, like - in time to suppose it is not to betray, but to foresee.
                    1. Andrey K
                      Andrey K 1 August 2016 10: 47
                      +7
                      Quotation: blooded man
                      if only on the rear.

                      You seem to have started to overdo it ...
                      Do not you think that to assess someone, no one authorized you negative
                      ... Maybe they taught you differently, like - in time to suppose it is not to betray, but to foresee ...

                      Judge people by yourself?
                      1. co-creator
                        co-creator 1 August 2016 10: 55
                        -3
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        You seem to have started to overdo it ...
                        Do not you think that to assess someone, no one authorized you

                        I judge by your answers. For the rear, property, documents (life) are more important in any situations. For the personnel officer, his comrades and the combat mission are more important. You are clearly one of the first.

                        Quote: Andrey K
                        Judge people by yourself?

                        I judge only by you. Demanding a document where I am written as a traitor is cool of course.
                      2. Andrey K
                        Andrey K 1 August 2016 11: 14
                        +6
                        Quotation: blooded man

                        I judge by your answers. For the rear, property, documents (life) are more important in any situations. For the personnel officer, his comrades and the combat mission are more important. You are clearly one of the first.

                        How to tell you ...
                        Neither of these nor of the others. And judging by your manner of commenting, it doesn't matter. You are nothing on the topic, just stupidly trying to "run into". Sadness, I am not next to you, and therefore I cannot bring you to your senses. Somehow themselves.
                        Now tell me how "personnel officer" laughing where is the relationship between the personnel officer and the combat mission. How "personnel officers" went on the attack - with comrades in arms who are very important to them, "personnel officers" laughing
                        You probably got something in the heat of the moment laughing
                        What nonsense are you talking about?
                        I judge only by you.

                        Nimbus does not interfere laughing
                      3. co-creator
                        co-creator 1 August 2016 15: 05
                        -1
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        Now tell me how the "personnel officer" is where the relationship between the personnel officer and the combat mission is.

                        I wrote somewhere that I am a personnel officer? It was necessary to "take the combat mission in quotes, my mistake.

                        Quote: Andrey K
                        Sadness, I’m not near you, and therefore I cannot bring you to my senses. Something like that yourself.

                        How old are you ? Judging that they STILL worked under the USSR, then decently. I think the maximum that you could do is to give me a lecture about Nicholas II

                        Quote: Andrey K
                        ... You are nothing on the topic, just stupidly trying to "run into".

                        Yes, I already wrote everything on the topic. You have only one thing - give me a piece of paper laughing You know with sectarians (like you) of any kind, this is the most correct behavior.
                      4. Andrey K
                        Andrey K 1 August 2016 20: 17
                        +6
                        Quotation: blooded man

                        I wrote somewhere that I am a personnel officer? It was necessary to "take the combat mission in quotes, my mistake.

                        Whatever you put in quotes, it will not retouch your frank flood. Talk about everything and nothing at the same time ...
                        How old are you ? Judging that they STILL worked under the USSR, then decently. I think the maximum that you could do is to give me a lecture about Nicholas II

                        No matter how much it is - all mine. As for your "conclusion" that I worked under the USSR, this is another confirmation that you do not read at all and do not delve into the essence of what has been written request
                        I said:
                        ... I did it in one educational institution for special services, back in the USSR ...
                        - This means that I studied in the USSR, and began to serve the homeland. Something like this.
                        Yes, I already wrote everything on the topic. You have only one thing - give me a piece of paper laughing You know with sectarians (like you) of any kind, this is the most correct behavior.

                        If you met with a "sectarian" like me and tried to sniff out something about your behavior, along the way naming what you called - I assure you, you would radically revise all your principles and would love your native history, your native language and in general everything related to Russia hi
                      5. Akselruur
                        Akselruur 1 August 2016 16: 04
                        -2
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        Do not you think that to assess someone, no one authorized you

                        God, you are not tolerant, but we have a free society, pluralism of opinions. so nothing to shut up.
                  3. Akselruur
                    Akselruur 1 August 2016 16: 01
                    -3
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    I did this in one educational institution for special services, back in the USSR.

                    Well, judging by your profile picture, you too can be attributed to the number of traitors!
                    1. Andrey K
                      Andrey K 1 August 2016 20: 20
                      +8
                      Quote: AkselRuur
                      Well, judging by your profile picture, you too can be attributed to the number of traitors!

                      Are you an avatar judge or an avatar judge laughing
                      Judging by your profile picture, you were beaten under any authority. Exclusively for discrediting any power, well, and for shameless rudeness negative
                      1. Akselruur
                        Akselruur 1 August 2016 21: 44
                        -2
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        shameless rudeness

                        what to do, I love to be rude to gentlemen! laughing
                2. co-creator
                  co-creator 1 August 2016 10: 31
                  -3
                  He does not understand wassat
              2. co-creator
                co-creator 1 August 2016 10: 20
                -2
                Quote: Andrey K
                Are you your slogans about the betrayal of the Emperor by someone or something you can back up with documents?

                NIKOLAI DEPARTMENT OR NO? If not, why did he stay alive and free? No documents are needed here, just look at the facts.

                Quote: Andrey K
                If not, stop tarnishing the history of Imperial Russia

                I understand that apart from these phrases, you essentially cannot say anything.
                1. Andrey K
                  Andrey K 1 August 2016 10: 34
                  +8
                  Quotation: blooded man

                  NIKOLAI DEPARTMENT OR NO? If not, why did he stay alive and free? No documents are needed here, just look at the facts.

                  Colleague - Nicholas II, historical figure, Emperor. And be kind enough to write his name appropriately hi
                  You pull the "facts" out of history and shuffle ...
                  It is not correct.
                  I understand that apart from these phrases, you essentially cannot say anything.

                  You are a dashing guy, instead of answering the questions asked, you begin to openly flood.
                  I repeat to you a question: Justify your statement. Refer to historical documents ...
                  1. co-creator
                    co-creator 1 August 2016 10: 49
                    0
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    Colleague - Nicholas II, historical figure, Emperor. And be kind enough to write his name appropriately

                    Of course, historical, as well as Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

                    Quote: Andrey K
                    You pull the "facts" out of history and shuffle ...
                    It is not correct.

                    Where? Again . Nikolai denied (even if there is no paper) and this is a fact. He was not executed, not shot. This is also a fact. After that, all trash began to steer the countries and issue an order on the democratization of the army with all the consequences.
                    You sent millions of people to die, and then you betrayed them by abandoning the throne and handing them to scum. Who are you after that? Traitor.
                    What facts did I distort?
                  2. co-creator
                    co-creator 1 August 2016 10: 50
                    -8
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    I repeat to you a question: Justify your statement. Refer to historical documents ...

                    No document, no reality? laughing Yes, you crank worse than the letter Ch.
                  3. Akselruur
                    Akselruur 1 August 2016 16: 09
                    -4
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    Nicholas II, historical figure, Emperor. And be kind enough to write his name appropriately
                    Well, yes, it’s a pity that the victims of January 9 and the Lensky execution cannot object to anything. And here we can!
                    1. Andrey K
                      Andrey K 1 August 2016 20: 21
                      +5
                      Quote: AkselRuur
                      Well, yes, it’s a pity that the victims of January 9 and the Lensky execution cannot object to anything. And here we can!

                      And whose sacrifice are you laughing
                      1. Akselruur
                        Akselruur 1 August 2016 21: 45
                        -2
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        And whose sacrifice are you

                        I already wrote to you, see the answer above
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 1 August 2016 22: 12
                  +3
                  Quotation: blooded man
                  NIKOLAI DEPARTMENT OR NO?

                  And he signed the abdication with a pencil. So the signature is invalid. It means that he killed Paskud Voytnikov, the all-powerful king of Great Russia, the anointed of God. He didn’t know that painting in pencil was not ink. Amateur. crying
        2. Cormorants
          Cormorants 1 August 2016 11: 51
          -3
          Eh Valery Valery You are one of those fanatics .. we will build our new world .. here we’ve built drowning officers in the Crimea and shot who they wanted, they made a bloody bath in Russia
          1. tatra
            tatra 1 August 2016 12: 04
            +4
            Quote: Cormorants
            You are a fanatic, one of those who ... we will build our new world

            Yes, they built it, despite the fact that the external and internal enemies of the Soviet people did not give him a single quiet year.
            First, they unleashed the Civil War in Soviet Russia with the aim of overthrowing the power of the Bolsheviks and dismembering centuries-old Russia, the blame for which was cowardly shifted to the Bolsheviks, then the Great Patriotic War, after which the West immediately declared a "cold war" and imposed sanctions on the USSR.
            And the enemies of the Bolshevik Communists destroyed one big country, and the former republics of the USSR turned into impoverished, backward, dying raw materials appendages and markets sold to foreigners.
            1. Akselruur
              Akselruur 1 August 2016 16: 12
              -1
              Quote: tatra
              And the enemies of the Bolshevik Communists destroyed one big country

              Do not scold, comrade! We will return the state of workers and peasants!
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        4. Akselruur
          Akselruur 1 August 2016 15: 55
          -1
          Quote: Valery Valery
          Traitor, Traitor, Traitor ...

          Shoot. signature - I. Stalin
      2. co-creator
        co-creator 1 August 2016 09: 50
        -1
        Quote: Andrey K
        And who told you about the "personal responsibility" of the Russian Emperor?

        And who is to blame? Holy spirit? Who led RI to the revolution and all its horrors? A man or something?
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 1 August 2016 09: 57
          +8
          Quotation: blooded man
          And who is to blame? Holy spirit? Who led RI to the revolution and all its horrors? A man or something?

          The answer to your question is in the school history course. Do not be lazy, read.
          When you familiarize yourself with the history of the Russian state, be so kind as to tell about the role of the individual in history .... Suppose the personality of Ulyanov and the RSDLP (b) headed by him ...
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            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 1 August 2016 10: 51
              +9
              Quotation: blooded man
              I understand that you are Andryusha one of those. who prefers to share personal impotence at all laughing

              You hit the flood.
              I'm not "Andryusha" for you, are you lost on the sites?
          2. Akselruur
            Akselruur 1 August 2016 21: 51
            +2
            Quote: Andrey K
            Suppose the personality of Ulyanov and the RSDLP (b) headed by him ...

            And what a wonderful personality!
          3. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 1 August 2016 22: 30
            +3
            Quote: Andrey K
            Suppose the personality of Ulyanov and the RSDLP (b) headed by him ...

            And what does Lenin have to do with it, if all the commanders of the fronts (except Kolchak) confirmed the need for the abdication of Nicholas? Lenin in Russia did not smell. Rulila of the State Duma.
          4. Svidetel 45
            Svidetel 45 2 August 2016 00: 58
            +1
            Is it really possible to seriously believe that about a dozen revolutionaries with a suitcase of German marks arrived in a sealed carriage and destroyed a mighty imperial power? Holy childish naivety! For the collapse of the empire, its authorities and the liberal pro-Western public did 100 times more than all the Bolsheviks put together by their, to put it mildly, inadequate actions. And what they write in the textbooks ... and as you wanted, of course, when they came to power, in order to raise their importance in the eyes of the population, they began to extol their role in the fall of the tsarist regime in every possible way. But in fact, the merit of the Bolsheviks is not that they "overthrew tsarism, but that they took responsibility for the revival of the country, which by the fall of 17 was in a state of complete chaos, and, despite the outbreak of civil war, foreign intervention, which followed behind them, a political and economic boycott and internal party feuds, albeit at great cost, did this, creating the second power in the world - the USSR.
      3. Alexey T. (Oper)
        Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 11: 23
        +3
        Quote: Andrey K
        Austrian William II?

        ??? Austrian William II? And who is it? There was a German Kaiser Wilhelm II. There was the emperor of Austria-Hungary, Franz Joseph. But William had nothing to do with Gavril Principle and the murder in Sarajevo, it was an internal matter of Austria-Hungary. And Germany got into this issue only because she really needed a bellie incident.
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 1 August 2016 12: 13
          +6
          Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)

          My cant, I admit. He wrote about Austria-Hungary, and in the head of Kaiser Wilhelm II ...
          Thanks for the amendment. hi
    6. Cat
      Cat 1 August 2016 08: 50
      +3
      Nicholas II with the family of the Russian Orthodox Church is not counted as a saint, but as a sufferer for torment, not for holiness.
    7. siberalt
      siberalt 1 August 2016 11: 18
      +12
      But this must be honored. My grandfather fought there in the regimental intelligence. There were already four children, my father is the eldest. In his words, they called in March, only the snow began to melt. He put on his old boots, saying the emperor would give new ones, and left early in the morning without saying goodbye. He returned with the St. George cross on his chest. A photo has survived. He was hardworking and religious. He died when I was finishing eighth grade. They were completely different people. "Heroes are not us."
    8. edge
      edge 1 August 2016 11: 23
      +2
      Quote: Valery Valery
      I still can’t understand why Nicholas II is a saint. Exactly

      ... until the year 17, he was called bloody (for the shooting of the revolution of 1905), in the 17th, at the height of the war, he threw the country to the mercy of abandoning the throne (on it Russian blood like a bug), and him in saints ... . am Stepan Razin and Emelyan Pugachev have more Russian than all the Romanovs
    9. Cormorants
      Cormorants 1 August 2016 11: 43
      +2
      Not a saint but a great martyr, since he gave his life and his family to the Fatherland, even if not on the battlefields, but he still gave it. Another question is why he renounced and whether there was a renunciation at all.
      1. Cormorants
        Cormorants 1 August 2016 12: 01
        +1
        Military review has always been red, and here monarchical ideas are not welcome, comrades all the same, earnest request respect your history, respect the great empire and those who gave their lives for it!
        1. Stena
          Stena 1 August 2016 14: 12
          +2
          Quote: Cormorants
          Military review has always been red, and here monarchical ideas are not welcome, comrades all the same, earnest request respect your history, respect the great empire and those who gave their lives for it!

          I apologize! He put a plus - a minus popped up! I completely agree with the thought. I'm sorry ...
        2. Akselruur
          Akselruur 1 August 2016 16: 18
          -4
          Quote: Cormorants
          respect a great empire

          for what? for millions tormented by overwork, hunger, and wars, only so that a handful of parasites could live in pleasure for themselves?
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      3. Akselruur
        Akselruur 1 August 2016 16: 15
        -3
        Quote: Cormorants
        Not a saint but a great martyr
        because in the morning I suffered from a hangover
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    11. Lord_Bran
      Lord_Bran 1 August 2016 18: 43
      0
      I do not want to insult anyone's feelings, but Kolenka was not ready to steer such a power. A wonderful family man and a good man - this is a surprise - could not become a good ruler.
      It's a pity.
    12. xan
      xan 2 August 2016 14: 27
      +1
      Quote: Valery Valery
      I still can’t understand why Nicholas II is a saint. It is he who is personally responsible for drawing Russia into this war.

      Russia could not participate in the war, in this case Germany and Austria, crushing France, would crush Russia as well, it is clear to everyone except the most stubborn - Austria has irrepressible claims to Russia's Balkan allies, the tsar, or to fight or slip into secondary powers with the loss of a bunch of territories. But for the shameful conduct of the war, only the tsar is to blame, who did not draw any conclusions from reality at all.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 1 August 2016 06: 18
    +12
    The night will tear sore threads
    I’m unlikely to live until morning
    Write, please write
    Write two words, sister

    Write that boy Vova
    I kiss as much as I can
    And the Austrian helmet from Lviv
    I'm a present to him shore

    Write to my poor wife
    Write a few words
    That I was injured in the arm harmlessly
    Get well and be healthy

    And write to father separately
    That all our valiant regiment lied
    I am mortally wounded in the chest
    Performing his military duty

    Write, please write
    Write two words, sister
    Write, please write
    Write two words, sister
  3. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 1 August 2016 06: 23
    -7
    There is no word, one bitterness over the dead for no reason, across the country poached by Zionists and marginals ..
  4. ImPerts
    ImPerts 1 August 2016 06: 30
    +1
    An interesting selection.
    http://altyn73.livejournal.com/580318.html
    I was once surprised by the question of whether the Australians fought in WWI? When I confirmed this, they called it ignoramus.
    1. qwert
      qwert 1 August 2016 08: 59
      0
      Quote: ImPerts
      I was once surprised by the question of whether the Australians fought in WWI? When I confirmed this, they called it ignoramus.

      After all, Austria-Hungary fought ... Well, at least it is known for certain that the Austrian Adolf Schikelgruber fought in WWI, for which he even had a reward.
      1. co-creator
        co-creator 1 August 2016 09: 54
        +3
        Quote: qwert
        Quote: ImPerts
        I was once surprised by the question of whether the Australians fought in WWI? When I confirmed this, they called it ignoramus.

        After all, Austria-Hungary fought ... Well, at least it is known for certain that the Austrian Adolf Schikelgruber fought in WWI, for which he even had a reward.

        AUSTRALIANS live in Australia, not Austria-Hungary wink
  5. Galleon
    Galleon 1 August 2016 06: 51
    +7
    Quote: Valery Valery
    I still can’t understand why Nicholas II is a saint. It is he who is personally responsible for drawing Russia into this war.

    It's like Obama giving the Nobel Peace Prize.
    Nicholas II had an itch to fight, there was little war with the Japanese. I loved the uniform, I loved the parades. It is known that he was going to start the war back in 2, but P.A. Stolypin, the prime minister, knelt in front of him: "Sovereign, stop, Russia is not ready ..." Stolypin was gone, but there were people who and about the last Russian-Japanese one they said that it would be an easy "hunt for macaques". And four empires - to hell.
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 1 August 2016 07: 26
      -1
      Quote: Galleon
      Quote: Valery Valery
      I still can’t understand why Nicholas II is a saint. It is he who is personally responsible for drawing Russia into this war.

      It's like Obama giving the Nobel Peace Prize.


      Given and given. Still, the whole family died in the basement. He was not given the PMV and the 300 anniversary of the Romanovs.
      Napoleon on Vendome Square shot people out of guns and nothing, a national symbol. All over the world still moan with a sigh. And no one questions Bonaparte’s military genius. so to whom he promised and did not fulfill, whom he set up, they leave behind the scenes.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 1 August 2016 09: 18
        +3
        As there were articles about Napoleon (or I watched programs on channel 365) that the French revere Napoleon as a winner. They don't need the historical truth! They do not feel any remorse! However, like other European countries, already after the PMV. I wonder if there are "lovers of truth" somewhere, in any country, who blame their homeland?
  6. aszzz888
    aszzz888 1 August 2016 06: 58
    +11
    We remember and understand. Glory to the Russian warrior!
  7. Masya masya
    Masya masya 1 August 2016 07: 19
    +12
    To all the soldiers who have laid their heads for their homeland, eternal memory !!!
  8. Galleon
    Galleon 1 August 2016 07: 44
    +3
    Quote: ImPerts
    Quote: Galleon
    Quote: Valery Valery
    I still can’t understand why Nicholas II is a saint. It is he who is personally responsible for drawing Russia into this war.

    It's like Obama giving the Nobel Peace Prize.


    Given and given. Still, the whole family died in the basement. He was not given the PMV and the 300 anniversary of the Romanovs.
    Napoleon on Vendome Square shot people out of guns and nothing, a national symbol. All over the world still moan with a sigh. And no one questions Bonaparte’s military genius. so to whom he promised and did not fulfill, whom he set up, they leave behind the scenes.

    Yes, I understand! Yes, saint - the Church decided. And I can’t accept to the end. Not because he got into the war, but because the sovereign did not give a damn about his duties. And through duties - both to my country and to me personally. And the saint - yes. To live with such a woman and not become a sufferer ...
    1. Akselruur
      Akselruur 1 August 2016 16: 26
      -4
      Quote: Galleon
      that the sovereign did not care about his duties.

      no, they do not give a damn; God directly supervised his deeds.
  9. Colonel
    Colonel 1 August 2016 08: 02
    +4
    the number of dead soldiers of the army of the Russian Empire in WWI amounted to less than 1,6 million people, the wounded - up to 3,8 million. More than 2 million soldiers and officers were captured by the enemy

    Maybe we will not "shine with erudition" today, the day of remembrance is all the same.
  10. Aleksander
    Aleksander 1 August 2016 08: 47
    +2
    the number of dead soldiers of the army of the Russian Empire in WWI was less than 1,6 млн human,


    These are the calculations of WESTERN bookkeepers. Russia's losses in WWI according to CSB USSR-855 thousand people killed, General Staff of Russia 1917 October-775 thousand killed. France-England 2, 1 million, Germany with Austria-2,7 million people.
    only every second mobilized came home safe and sound

    And in France only 30% came back. And Russia's losses were the smallest: for every thousand mobilized in Russia 115 dead and dead for every thousand mobilized in France and Germany one and a half times more(168 dead and dead , 154 dead and dead respectively)
    the feasibility of direct entry into which the empire of Nicholas II is still the subject of heated debate

    Then let them discuss the feasibility of joining the USSR in WWII smile . The same aggressors attacked RI as they did the USSR in 1941.

    The naive and ignorant is the one who thinks that Russia could "sit out", to
    By the way, this option was tested in 1940, which led to the disaster 1941-42g.

    SN Sverbeev, the Russian ambassador in Berlin (1912-1914), wrote to St. Petersburg in the spring of 1914: “According to confidential information (and I have a variety of sources on this score), the growing power of Russia causes the greatest fears in Berlin. In Germany, a circle of people began to rally, whose professional goal was "the dismemberment of Russia and its throwing back to the borders that existed before Peter the Great with its subsequent weakening".

    Chief of the German General Staff Count Moltke: " Any delay in the war with Russia means a decrease in our chances; we cannot compete with Russia in the mass of troops. There is no other way but to carry out a preventive war and defeat the enemy, while we have a chance of victory".
    All these thoughts were embodied in Schlieffen's plan for the fastest defeat of France and with all its might to fall on Russia for "living space".

    Honor and glory to the Russian soldiers who stopped the German-Turkish invaders, they won the war.
    It was lost to the accomplices of the invaders, the Bolsheviks who committed the coup:

    [i] "... then the result of the betrayal of the then government ... the Bolsheviks committed an act of national betrayal" V.V. PUTIN[/ I]
    1. Alexey T. (Oper)
      Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 11: 30
      +1
      Quote: Aleksander
      Honor and glory to the Russian soldiers who stopped the German-Turkish invaders, they won the war.

      "The young ladies shouted:" Hurray ", - and threw their caps into the air ......" (c)

      Not tired of the French bakers baguettes crunching?

      In what place did you win if in the summer of 1917 the country fell apart and the Germans stood in three day crossings from the capital?
      1. Aleksander
        Aleksander 1 August 2016 12: 48
        0
        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
        Not tired of the French bakers baguettes crunching?


        Not tired comics Russian crunch bones?
        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
        Where did you win?


        In all: at the front from Riga (exclusively) to Romania in October 1917, when the Russian army, with all the mess, was TWICE TIME superior to the Germans. The true collapse went with de.bilno-stupid peace decree fool , about fraternization, about the armistice and the ELECTION of commanders are all communal crimes.
        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
        in summer 1917 years, the country fell apart and the Germans stood in three day crossings from the capital?

        In the summer of 1917, it fell apart only in the inflamed brains of the communes.

        You are really bad and history and geography fool - FROM RIGA TO PETER 570 km , namely, near Riga (inclusive), the front in the summer of 1917 was.
        1. tatra
          tatra 1 August 2016 13: 01
          +1
          Quote: Aleksander
          In the summer of 1917, it fell apart only in the inflamed brains of the communes.

          Why are the enemies of the Communists so rude boors and so love to flaunt it?
          With your "freedom" you showed what was imperceptible under the USSR - how much the Bolsheviks and their supporters, even the most ignorant and illiterate, were honest, internally civilized, moral.
          They, in contrast to the enemies of the communists "liberated" by Gorbachev, did not glue disgusting cries to those who had been robbed of the country or the country itself; after the seizure of the country, they did not rush to engage in personal enrichment at any cost and personal consumption.
          1. Akselruur
            Akselruur 1 August 2016 16: 32
            -2
            Quote: tatra
            With your "freedom" you showed what was imperceptible under the USSR - how much the Bolsheviks and their supporters, even the most ignorant and illiterate, were honest, internally civilized, moral.

            Comrade, well, we all know that being determines consciousness. So what to argue with the philistines?
        2. Alexey T. (Oper)
          Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 13: 08
          +1
          Quote: Aleksander
          In all: at the front from Riga (exclusively) to Romania

          This is only in the inflamed imagination of individuals with reformatted liberal propaganda brains.
          In reality, Russia de facto lost the war in the summer of 1916, when, according to the results of the Brusilovsky breakthrough, its strategic position was simply catastrophic: the entry into the war of Romania and its defeat opened the Germans and their allies - the Bulgarians, a direct path to the fertile southern provinces and to the Black Sea ports - Odessa and Sevastopol.

          After that, all the loud statements that Russia allegedly stood almost on the verge of victory are the result of a misunderstanding of the real strategic situation.

          Quote: Aleksander
          In the summer of 1917, it fell apart only in the inflamed brains of the communes.

          Well yes. After all, it was precisely in their imagination that the empire in the summer of 1917 de facto split off the Baltic states, Poland, Finland, Ukraine and the Caucasus. wink

          Have you tried to learn history?

          Quote: Aleksander
          You have absolutely bad history and geography - FROM RIGA to PETER 570 km, namely, near Riga (inclusively) the front was.
          Yes, but didn’t you try to watch the map? In the summer of 1917, the Germans took the Moonsund archipelago and reached the approaches to Pskov and Narva, i.e. were exactly where I wrote - in the three day crossings from Petrograd.

          Finally, learn the real story, and don’t read the pink clouds of the French mythology about Russia that Govorukhin lost at the governor’s ball.
          1. Akselruur
            Akselruur 1 August 2016 16: 34
            -2
            Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
            Have you tried to learn history?

            And why, now they are passing it on the USE. You can lie to anything.
          2. Aleksander
            Aleksander 1 August 2016 22: 15
            -3
            Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
            Quote: AleksanderEveryone: at the front from Riga (exclusively) to RomaniaThis is only in the inflamed imagination of people with reformatted liberal propaganda brains. In reality, Russia de facto lost the war in the summer of 1916, when, according to the results of the Brusilovsky breakthrough, its strategic position was simply catastrophic: the entry into the war of Romania and its defeat opened the Germans and their allies - the Bulgarians, a direct path to the fertile southern provinces and to the Black Sea ports - Odessa and Sevastopol.


            Brusiolovsky breakthrough-1,5 million losses of Germany and Austria (with Russian 0,5 million) and the displacement of the main battle forever on the Western Front is an outstanding victory for Russia, it remains only to withstand the defense. The situation is excellent. In August 1917, the successful offensive of the Russian troops in Romania, a repulsed counter-offensive by the Austrians and an absolutely reliable flank that defended Russia right up to 1918
            Catastrophic - only in death-beaten stupid commotion propaganda non-brain comics
            Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
            After all, it was precisely in their imagination that the empire broke away from the empire in the summer of 1917 in the Baltics, Poland, Finland, Ukraine and the Caucasus

            Of course: both de facto and de jure "split off" - only in the maladies of the commies. Finally it came.
            Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
            Yes, but didn’t you try to look at the map? Lettom 1917 years the Germans took the Moonsund archipelago and went to the approaches to Pskov and Narva, those. were exactly where I wrote - in the three day crossings from Petrograd.


            You can’t be like that UNLIMITED Illiterate: Moonsund operation was in Octoberand not in the summer, the Germans captured only 2 islands (the Gulf of Finland is blocked), did NOT land on the mainland, the front was on land near Riga -579 km to St. Petersburg.
            There were no Germans near Narva and Pskov in the summer 1917 (except your brains, of course) fool

            They landed on the coast of Estonia only in February 1918 , taking as a result and Narva 4 March 1918.
            By the way, are you a comedian if you don’t know the history of the holiday February 23 ? wink
            Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
            Learn the real story at last, and not soak in pink clouds.

            Learn at last real story, not comm-invention (although you don’t know it either).
            A person who does not know the history of the February 23 holiday teaches picking his nose ... fool
            1. Alexey T. (Oper)
              Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 09: 53
              +1
              Quote: Aleksander
              Brusiolovsky breakthrough-1,5 million losses of Germany and Austria (with Russian 0,5 million) and the displacement of the main battle forever on the Western Front is an outstanding victory for Russia, it remains only to stand on the defensive.

              Brusilov breakthrough is a diversionary strike on a secondary sector of the front against an obviously weaker enemy. As a result, Russia's overall strategic position in the war deteriorated catastrophically. The length of the front line increased by a third. To plug the resulting gap, patching up the "trishkin caftan", the Russian command had to urgently withdraw armies from other fronts and throw them onto the newly formed Southern Front, thereby weakening other directions.

              This tactical victory can be considered a dubious result - a brilliant victory only if there were no other victories at all. "On bezrybe and labordan-s toad" (c)



              Quote: Aleksander
              The situation is excellent.

              By 1917, the Russian army was unable to conduct active hostilities. The number of soldier riots, expressed in refusal to attack, is constantly growing. The Russian infantry is firing at their artillerymen to prevent them from firing at the Germans. Entire divisions, such as the 120th Infantry Division, are surrendered. The number of crossbows and deserters is simply off scale beyond all reasonable limits. The chiefs give orders to suppress the soldiers' riots, not stopping before the artillery shelling the mutinous units. The army is stripped and undressed (the military department in December 1916 was forced to place an order for the production of 3 million pairs of bast shoes for the army). According to the participants in the war (the same Slashchev): "in 1915 year (!) the old army finally turned into a militia without an experienced command staff, without capable leaders and without spirit. Nothing inspired this mass of people, and only the habit of obeying made her somehow carry out military service.". As a result, by the fall of 1916, the Germans in the north-west, having taken Ostrov, reached the approaches to Pskov (that is, literally three days' march from the capital), in the south-west the Russian army retreated beyond the line of the pre-war state border (ie. e. stupidly skidded from the Austrians beaten a year earlier).
              As a result, the Minister of War of the Provisional Government (for a minute, the Cavalier George, Major General of the General Staff) demands the immediate conclusion of a separate peace on any conditions.

              And then a certain Aleksander comes along, and with a blue eye declares: "The strategic position of the empire was just wonderful."

              Is this a clinic? Or just outright ignorance?

              Quote: Aleksander
              Of course: both de facto and de jure "split off" - only in the maladies of the commies. Finally it came.
              The fact that you do not know the history of Russia has come to me for a long time.

              The reality of the summer of 1917 was as follows: as a result of the overthrow of the autocracy from the empire actually split off its national suburbs are Poland, Finland, the Baltic states, Ukraine, and Transcaucasia.

              Only ignoramus can deny these historical facts.


              Quote: Aleksander
              By the way, are you a comedian if you don’t know the history of the February 23 holiday?
              Come on, tell us another myth of liberal propaganda designed for idiots, about how the Germans took Pskov and Narva in February 1918 "without a fight"? I haven't laughed for a long time.
              1. Aleksander
                Aleksander 2 August 2016 12: 25
                -1
                Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                Reality summer 1917 of the year was this: as a result of the overthrow of the autocracy from the empire, its national suburbs — Poland, Finland, the Baltic states, Ukraine, and Transcaucasia — actually split.


                Again comedian screwed upthis time with "the Germans on the outskirts of Narva and Pskov" in summer 1917 (according to his double statement) fool .

                He did not know about it and now fell silent, like a fish on ice, when they poked him into its smelling puddle. wink

                But this is AZY, this was taught at school, about WHEN the Germans appeared near Narva and where the February 23 holiday came from.

                According to this comedian, the Germans there, it turns out, by February already half a year stood with 1917 SUMMERbut did not attack in February. fool

                I would have taken the party card from this comic: how did he pass the party minimum ?! Corruptist, for sure bought the Red Book.

                And WHAT to talk about with such a LITTLE WITHOUT who still does not want to admit his shame (not the first ten times?)

                What are the rest of his blunts worth?

                What a funny and ridiculous comedian. smile
                1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                  Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 12: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: Aleksander
                  Again, the commic managed to do it, this time with "the Germans on the outskirts of Narva and Pskov" in the summer of 1917

                  Once again, for the particularly dull: when the enemy troops are located 50 km from the city, this is called on the outskirts. Having taken the Island in early September, the Germans were on the outskirts of Pskov, i.e. literally three day crossings from Petrograd, the then capital of the republic.

                  Therefore, you can continue to tell stupid myths about the Russian Empire, "which was one step away from victory in WWI."
                  Quote: Aleksander
                  But this is AZY, this was taught at school, about WHEN the Germans appeared near Narva and where the February 23 holiday came from.

                  It can be seen that at school you picked nose picks in the history lessons.
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                  2. Aleksander
                    Aleksander 2 August 2016 15: 10
                    0
                    Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                    Once again, for the particularly dull: when the enemy troops are located 50 km from the city, this is called on the outskirts. Having taken the Island in early September, the Germans were on the outskirts of Pskov, i.e. literally three day crossings from Petrograd, the then capital of the republic.


                    Listen, you’re not ashamed, after all, nonsense flog something? After all, look complete um. Before YOUR audience - is not it a shame?

                    Dishonored with "the Germans on the approaches to Narva and Pskov" from Moonsund in the summer of 1917(it never happened), so now they came from the south: "captured" by the Germans Ostrov in September 1917 fool

                    And so: The island was occupied by the Germans on February 18 1918, no 1917. smile
                    Just in case, part of Latvia (to get to the Island) the Germans occupied also in February 1918.

                    Just as they got to Narva, occupying the western coast of Estonia from Moonsund and then landing in February 1918

                    The first neg. Cr. Guard-stop the February offensive of the Germans, from there and pr-to 23 February.

                    It’s necessary, it’s necessary to take a party card from the comic, he doesn’t know owls. the story smile
                    1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                      Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 15: 22
                      +1
                      Quote: Aleksander
                      Listen, aren't you ashamed

                      Why should I be ashamed? You are absolutely not embarrassed to bear a blatant lie about an empire that supposedly was just a step away from victory, blaming all the sins of the ancestors who chose communism as the civilizational path of Russia's development, calling them cattle and cattle.

                      And you still have the audacity to try to shame others?
                      1. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 2 August 2016 22: 26
                        -1
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Oper [b
                        )]And why I should be ashamed? You are absolutely not embarrassed to bear a blatant lie about an empire that supposedly was just a step away from victory, blaming all the sins of the ancestors who chose communism as the civilizational path of Russia's development, calling them cattle and cattle.


                        Because you LIE and persist in your WILD IGNORANCE. This is not enough, is this a reason? fool

                        Although what to expect from gkommikov .... fool

                        The comedian has not just ignorance and stupidity, but also just commurative impudence with rudeness: they say, I lie, but for the good fool (the roof completely flew away).

                        To summarize then:

                        1. Comic THERE claimed that: Summer 1917 years the Germans reached the approaches to Pskov and Narva,

                        -Dullness and ignorance commic proven (there were no Germans there at all), which the comedian himself confirmed with his silence.

                        2, Comedian claimed that: Having taken 1917 Island in early September, the Germans were on the outskirts of Pskov.

                        -Dullness and ignorance commic AGAIN proven (there were no Germans there at all; they appeared there only on FEBRUARY 1918), which the comic himself confirmed with his bashful silence.

                        3. The independence of Latvia and Estonia in the SUMMER 1917 (by commic) - again, stupidity is utter, etc. etc.

                        The comic would shut up, at least for the time he studied history, about which he had not the slightest idea, but the most stupid peremptory statements, but no, -it.

                        Shame
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        , you blame all the sins of the ancestors who chose communism as the civilizational path of development of Russia


                        The ancestors NEVER chose ANY "communism" (the overwhelming majority did not even know the words): Bolshevik criminals, no one has ever chosen anywhere, in all elections they are in eh.

                        Power was seized by them by force, wild lies, brutal terror and populism, which ultimately led to the fact that they themselves died, fled, evaporated, themselves spitting on their own "ideals", emitting a quiet but fetid fart.

                        No you, there were only "disguised" commimpotents left.
                      2. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 23: 25
                        -1
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        Because you are LIES and persist in your WILD ignorance.

                        And you lie and persist in your wild ignorance. Although what can be expected from the liberodrist?

                        To summarize then:
                        1. The Liberodrist with foam at his mouth tried to prove that Russia in 1916 was on the verge of victory. Without giving a single clear evidence. What demonstrated his dense stupidity and outright idiocy.

                        2. The Liberodrist claimed (until he was stumbled upon by stupid faces in obvious facts) that the Bolsheviks issued a decree on fraternization. The second time he demonstrated his dense stupidity and squalor of the thinking apparatus.

                        3. The Liberodrist denied the obvious fact of the collapse of the country in the summer of 1917, without giving a single refutation of these obvious facts.

                        4. The Liberodrist has made unfounded accusations against the figures of losses deduced by the Krivosheev team. At the same time, again, he did not provide a single confirmation of his words.

                        5. The Liberodrist did not know that the family of the bloody king was canonized solely for political reasons back in 1938.

                        The stupidity and ignorance of the liberodrist has been proven repeatedly, but this simplest creature continues to persist in its delusions. It does not want to shut up, but continues to spray poisonous saliva against the Russian people, calling it cattle and cattle.

                        Like? Would you like further communication in a similar vein?

                        Or maybe still apologize and change the tone, as required by the rules of the forum?
                      3. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 3 August 2016 09: 52
                        -1
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        И You're lying


                        Admitted, however, the comedian that he managed. smile
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Liberodrist with foam at his mouth tried to prove that Russia in 1916 year was on the verge of victory. Without giving a single clear evidence. What demonstrated his dense stupidity and outright idiocy


                        Of course it was, evidence is given, but comm dumb and does not know how to read (in particular, he does not "notice" the unshakable (practically) front line from 1916 to 1918. But as his "" evidence fool "decline" writes GRAD about Germans in September 1917 in the Island. And immediately his "conclusions" were gone in the toilet.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        2. The Liberodrist argued (until he was stumbled upon by stupid faces in obvious facts) that the Bolsheviks from afar Brotherhood Decree. ].


                        They are. Given By me telegram "on the dismissal of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, General Dukhonin, with a proposal to select authorized representatives for armistice negotiations in the collection Decrees Soviet power 1917 – 1918 . is called By decree. About fraternization - because it led to the impossible earlier MASS FAMILY-this is his assessment of the results and this is a fact, as indicated by me. What’s the comm? fool
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Liberodrist denied obvious fact the collapse of the country in the summer of 1917, without giving a single refutation of these obvious facts.

                        "Obvious" only in the commics' brains knocked out to death by the propaganda (cannot be restored).
                        Were in the country WEIGHT GRANDS, and in Russia LEAST compared to other warring countries (in Germany 766 thousand people died of HUNGER).
                        But added to the hardships accomplices of the German-Turkish occupation Bolsheviksstabbing in the back.

                        WHO is interested in the comic’s assessments, presented as immutable truth, and even based on his ALTERNATIVE history and ignorance of the facts? Only dull comics. smile
                        Tupokommik again managed to argue that Latvia and Estonia in summer 1917 r separated from Russia. Doesn't know sickly what happened in 1918, and in the summer 1917 obeyed the VP, they did NOT declare independence, and in that same Latvia there was not even an authority that could do this (appeared under the Germans). Again, the comic man made a mistake.
                      4. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 3 August 2016 10: 19
                        -1
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        Of course, there was evidence

                        Not a single evidence was given to this frank delirium. There were unfounded squeals and slogans, to which everything was limited.

                        Quote: Aleksander
                        They are. The telegram I gave "on the dismissal of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, General Dukhonin, with a proposal to choose delegates for negotiations on an armistice in the collection of Decrees of Soviet Power 1917-1918. Is called a Decree.

                        There was no decree on fraternization, and it is not in any collection of decrees of the Soviet government. These are your fantasies generated by congenital Russophobia.
                        The fraternity became widespread in the year 1915, in the second year of the war. At the same time, in the spring of 1916, dozens of RIA regiments and thousands of people took part in them. And a list of these regiments was given.
                        Continuing to insist on the existence of this mythical decree, you, dear, once again demonstrate your obstinacy, which is a virtue exclusively of donkeys.

                        Quote: Aleksander
                        "Obvious" only in the commics' brains knocked out to death by the propaganda (cannot be restored).

                        The fact of the collapse of the country in the summer of 1917 is obvious to all sane people, to which liberodristians certainly do not belong.
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        But to the hardships were added the accomplices of the German-Turkish invaders, the Bolsheviks, who stabbed in the back.

                        It was not the Bolsheviks who struck the back of the empire, but the Liberodrist, on behalf of whom you are speaking. It was they who, in contact with agents of Western countries, eliminated the king, destroyed the army and the country.

                        And the Bolsheviks followed them for a long time afterwards.

                        Your hatred of the Bolsheviks is understandable.

                        Any liberodrist is a congenital Russophobe. And for him, the knife is keen in heart that it was the Bolsheviks from a poor agricultural country with a backward peripheral economy, with 2 / 3 illiterate people, in fact, a colony of Western countries supplying cheap raw materials and labor to the foreign market, that created a great power populated by literate, generous people. What exactly with the Bolsheviks did the Russian people breathe freely, squared their shoulders and rose to such a height in their development that Western worms are still surprised.

                        And it is precisely this understanding that does not allow you to live peacefully like you - haters of all Russian.
                      5. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 3 August 2016 11: 47
                        -1
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Not a single evidence was given to this frank delirium. There were unfounded squeals and slogans, to which everything was limited.

                        A foamy commic squeals, citing "evidence" of the occupation of the Island in 1917.
                        I have evidence of the breakthrough of Brusilov and the front line. Your ratings are worth nothing at all.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        There was no decree on fraternization, and it is not in any collection of decrees of the Soviet government. These are your fantasies generated by congenital Russophobia. The fraternity became widespread in the year 1915, in the second year of the war. At the same time, in the spring of 1916, dozens of RIA regiments and thousands of people took part in them. And the list of these regiments was given. Continuing to insist on the existence of this mythical decree, you, dear, once again demonstrate your obstinacy, which is the virtue of exclusively donkeys

                        http://www.hist.msu.ru/ER/Etext/DEKRET/ -"Сборник DECREE sov power "- there is this telegram, which led to MASS FAMILY, on an unprecedented scale, and therefore rated as a DECREE on FELLOWSHIP - again, not enough brains to understand? I brought her first, I pointed to her. Stuck?
                        There were no mass fraternities in 1915.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        once again demonstrate your stubbornness, which is the virtue of exclusively donkeys.

                        It CONCEPT reasoning
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        The fact of the collapse of the country in the summer of 1917 is obvious to all sane people, to which liberodristians certainly do not belong.

                        The overwhelming majority of mankind recognizes as non-normal Communists (and in China, NECommunism)
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        It was not the Bolsheviks who struck the back of the empire, but the Liberodrist, on behalf of whom you are speaking. It was they who, in contact with agents of Western countries, eliminated the tsar, ruined the army and the country. And the Bolsheviks then removed it for a long time. Your hatred of the Bolsheviks is understandable. Any liberodrist is a congenital Russophobe. And for him, the knife is keen in the heart that it was the Bolsheviks from a poor agricultural country with a backward peripheral economy, with 2 / 3 illiterate people, in fact, a colony of Western countries supplying cheap raw materials and labor to the foreign market, that created a great power populated by literate, generous people. What exactly with the Bolsheviks did the Russian people breathe freely, squared their shoulders and rose to such a height in their development that Western worms are still surprised. And it is precisely this understanding that does not allow you to live peacefully like you - haters of all Russian.


                        Blah blah blah: hunting time to spend on agitation, are you absurd?
                      6. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 3 August 2016 12: 47
                        -1
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        I have evidence of the breakthrough of Brusilov and the front line.
                        The Brusilovsky breakthrough ended in a catastrophic deterioration in Russia's strategic position.
                        Consequently, this tactical victory led to a further inevitable defeat in the war. As a result, it happened already in December 1916, when the Russian army was unable to continue the war and began to rebel gradually.
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        //www.hist.msu.ru/ER/Etext/DEKRET/ - "Collection of DECREETS of owls of power" - there is this telegram, which led to MASS fraternization,

                        Once again for those on an armored train: decree is the law. A telegram about the organization of ceasefire events, which you are brandishing here as written with a bag, not understanding what is written in it, cannot be a decree. Moreover, it does not say a word about the organization of fraternities. fool
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        There were no mass fraternities in 1915.
                        There were cases of fraternities at Easter 1915. They consisted of leaving the trenches, meeting with the enemy (“German”), “Christing”, mutual treats with cigarettes, cigars. One of the fraternities, in which the officers also participated, ended in a competition of choirs on both sides and common dances for a German guitar. In the spring of 1915, it became known from censorship reports that in the forefront after the Easter holidays a systematic exchange began between the soldiers of the Russian army and the enemy armies with bread, cognac, vodka, chocolate and cigars. In this regard, the general on duty General P.K. Kondzerovsky informed the front commander that “henceforth, the strictest responsibility should be borne by company commanders and regiment commanders for allowing such communication between the lower ranks and the enemy.” Brotherhood took place in the summer of 1915 on the Russian-Austrian front of 19. BUT since the fall of 1915, with the beginning of a positional war, fraternization has already occurred in many infantry units. They continued on Christmas Day in December 1915. So, according to the information received by the chief of staff of the commander in chief of the armies of the Northern Front, General M.D. Bonch-Bruevich, in some sections of the Northern Front established "friendly relations" with enemy units.

                        http://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/brataniya-na-russkom-fronte-pervoy-mirovoy-voyn
                        y # ixzz4GGF4ZiiP

                        We teach history ... laughing
                      7. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 4 August 2016 10: 12
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                        Stupid blah blah blah, repeated by a deaf ass commicom countless times. Everything is answered and explained.

                        Go learn history, Narva, Pskov, island offensive summer 1917 foolwho does not know the history of the holiday 23 February.
                        When will you report on the front line in the summer of 1917 (see the textbook of the 5 class)? But how did the commicist say nothing?

                        Yes, by the way, here is a list of saints canonized by the Serbian Church, indicate Nicholas there: www.pravenc.ru/rubrics/122350.htm fool

                        Banner, you say? laughing fool

                        What a funny comedian.
                      8. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 4 August 2016 11: 53
                        -1
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        Stupid blah blah blah, repeated by a deaf ass commicom countless times. Everything is answered and explained.

                        So if on my part "stupid blah blah blah" refute me with numbers and facts. You throw such words so many times but you could not refute, while I refuted all your conclusions with facts.

                        Well, so, light a verb? Or will you slap your ears on the cheeks, shouting empty propaganda stamps?
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        www.pravenc.ru/rubrics/122350.htm

                        404 ошибка

                        Document not found, Not Found.

                        The server did not find anything matching the given requested URI.

                        Do not set off. Attempt No. 2 ...
                      9. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 4 August 2016 13: 07
                        0
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        So if on my part "stupid blah blah blah" refute me with numbers and facts. You throw such words so many times but you could not refute, while I refuted all your conclusions with facts.


                        So denied it! Commsclerosis already?

                        TENTH times I ask (funnily easy): When will you report on the front line in the summer of 1917 in Ostrov, Pskov and Narva (see the textbook of the 5 class)? But how did the commicent not say anything?

                        What else to refute, if for the tenth time the question asked is a stupid commissin?


                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        404 error Document not found, Not Found.


                        commercial freaks miracles - everything works. and just type the "list of saints" in the GUGL (supposedly the commic does not know how to use) smile

                        WHERE DO THE BELOGO GUARDIAN BANNER? (which no one knows about): biggrin: smile
                      10. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 4 August 2016 13: 36
                        -1
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        So denied it!

                        You have not disproved a single submitted faculty. Blabbering can not be a refutation.

                        Quote: Aleksander
                        miracles kommivykrutasov-everything works. d
                        You were clearly demonstrated how it works.
                        So do not set off. laughing


                        Quote: Aleksander
                        WHERE DO THE BELOGO GUARDIAN BANNER?
                        The banner is the bloody Romanov family, canonized in the 1938 by the Orthodox Church.
                      11. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 4 August 2016 15: 33
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                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        You have not disproved a single submitted faculty. Blabbering can not be a refutation.

                        The fool comic turned on (and what remains for him?)
                        I ask for the eleventh timeimagine the front line of Narva-Pskov-Island in the summer of 1917 of the year, which you with FOAM at the mouth three times screaming as evidence. The question is direct, but the answer is a dumb chatter.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        You were clearly shown how it works. So it doesn’t count


                        Again he turned on the fool: everything works, do you know how to use Google? http://www.pravenc.ru/rubrics/122350.html, www.pravoslavie.ru/orthodoxchurches/40253.htm

                        Find what is NOT.

                        By the way, your statements about the canonization of SC-cost nothing, yes. Absolutely.

                        Like everything that commies said, PATHOLOGICAL LIHERS.
                      12. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 5 August 2016 10: 47
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                        So the ignorant commissary was blown away ...
                      13. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 5 August 2016 11: 36
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                        Quote: Aleksander
                        So the ignorant commissary was blown away ...

                        Royal martyrs began to be revered as saints in the Serbian Orthodox Church.

                        http://drevo-info.ru/articles/26278.html

                        In 1936, at the laying of the Temple-Monument to the Royal Family in Brussels, the Serbian Metropolitan Dositheus, speaking on behalf of His Holiness Patriarch Barnabas, said: “Serbia honors Sovereign Emperor Nicholas II as a saint, and at the Council of Serbian Bishops not so long ago the issue was raised on the canonization of the Tsar-Martyr Nicholas II among the saints of the Serbian Church. In two newly-built churches in Serbia, the Tsar-Martyr Nikolai Alexandrovich is depicted on the icon as a saint. "

                        http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/684695/post80877248/

                        As far back as 1925 in the Serbian press a description of the miraculous occurrence in a dream of the Tsar-Martyr of an elderly Serb appeared, and from that time evidence began to come to the Serbian Synod that the Serbian people not only deeply revere the memory of the murdered Russian emperor, but revered it as saint. Around the same time, the first icon-painting images of the Royal Martyrs were also known to us.

                        In August 1927, an article appeared in the newspapers of Belgrade entitled “The Face of Emperor Nicholas II in the Serbian Monastery of St. Nauma, on Lake Ohrid, ”which described the first such image on the temple wall. Russian artist S.F. Kolesnikov was invited to paint the temple in this monastery. Fulfilling the work entrusted to him, he decided to write the faces of the 15 saints placed in the 15 ovals. Fourteen faces were written to them right away, and the place for the fifteenth remained empty for a long time. An inexplicable feeling prevented him from completing this painting. Once at dusk he entered the temple. It was dark below, and only the dome was pierced by the rays of the setting sun. On the walls was a marvelous play of light and shadow. Everything seemed unearthly and unusual. At that moment, the icon painter saw that the clean oval that he had left came to life and that the mournful face of Emperor Nicholas II looked from it. Struck by this wonderful vision, he stood for a while in a daze. Then, seized by a prayer impulse, he began, without drawing the contours of a wonderful face with charcoal, to quickly work with a brush. He could not sleep all night, and barely dawned on the light, set to work again and quickly finished it. He provided this portrait-icon with the inscription: "The All-Russian Emperor Nicholas II, who accepted the martyrdom for the welfare and happiness of the Slavs."

                        In March 1930, a report was published in Serbian newspapers that the residents of Leskovac appealed to the Synod of the Serbian Orthodox Church with a request to be counted as saints of the Russian Emperor Nicholas II, whom they venerate along with the Serbian people's saints: Simeon, Savva, Lazar, Stefan and others.

                        http://www.sedmitza.ru/text/410807.html

                        The Holy Royal Martyrs and Martyrs were canonized in 1934 (according to other sources in 1938) by the Serbian Orthodox Church,

                        http://www.kkovalev.ru/tsar_strastoterptsy.htm

                        We teach history ... smile
                      14. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 5 August 2016 14: 37
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                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        and at the Council of Serbian Bishops not so long ago it was raised the question of the reckoning of Tsar the Martyr Nicholas II as a saint of the Serbian Church


                        Bravo and commendable, learned a lot, right?

                        But why this funny list attempts, wishes and fiction? ,

                        There is a list of saints of the Serbian church presented Orthodox Encyclopedia edited by the Moscow Patriarchate, which is shown to you, which you persevere THIRD TIME do not want to see http://www.pravenc.ru/rubrics/122350.html
                        There is NO "Banner" there. fool

                        like not on the OFFICIAL website of the TWS: https://sr.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_Svetiteветa_Srpske_pr

                        Well, "connoisseur of history", spin again: it's funny to watch gimmicks smile
                      15. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 7 August 2016 11: 18
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                        the ignorant comedian was blown away smile
                      16. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 5 August 2016 10: 47
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                        So the ignorant commissary was blown away ...
                      17. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 3 August 2016 12: 47
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                        Quote: Aleksander
                        This is an asshole reasoning

                        Who better than a donkey to know about it. laughing
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        The overwhelming majority of mankind recognizes Communists as abnormal

                        Marxism today is one of the most sought-after ideologies in the world. Studied at all leading universities.

                        We are already studying modernity ... laughing
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        Blah blah blah: hunting time to spend on agitation, are you absurd?

                        I understand that in essence there is nothing to answer. So it remains only to bleat lamb ... laughing
                      18. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 4 August 2016 10: 23
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                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        It's not the same for everybody donkey to know about it.


                        I agree: it’s great that they recognized this wonderful animal in themselves, here you can’t be taken away!

                        Maybe the donkey should stay there, with donkey interests, and not climb into the saints, history, offensives?
                      19. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 4 August 2016 11: 54
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                        Quote: Aleksander
                        Maybe the donkey should stay there, with donkey interests, and not climb into the saints, history, offensives?

                        So stay there, with donkey interests and do not meddle in a history in which you absolutely do not understand. laughing
                      20. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 4 August 2016 12: 51
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                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        So stay there, with donkey interests and don’t go into a history that you absolutely don’t understand


                        But why do I need to go to the donkey comics, you somehow somehow exist without me in your fictional donkey communist reality.

                        And don’t paw anymore about a story that seemed immutable in the stupid Soviet times — today, when a bunch of information looks ridiculous and funny, like their propagandist
                      21. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 3 August 2016 10: 22
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                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        The Liberodrist has made unfounded accusations against the figures of losses deduced by the Krivosheev team. At the same time, again, he did not provide a single confirmation of his words.


                        EVERYTHING IS SPECIFIED, but the comedian is not a reader, a comedian-propagandist.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        . The Liberodrist did not know that the family of the bloody king was canonized solely for political reasons back in 1938.

                        The comic on his ignorance is clearly indicated.
                        The Serbs had nothing to do with Russia and could NOT make a "banner" for it by definition. The commie's gimmicks are ridiculous and ridiculous.

                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        The stupidity and ignorance of the liberodrist has been proven repeatedly, but this simplest creature continues to persist in its delusions. It does not want to shut up, but continues to spray poisonous saliva against the Russian people, calling it cattle and cattle. Do you like it? Would you like to continue communication in a similar vein? Or maybe still apologize and change the tone, as required by the rules of the forum?


                        What a funny comedian, speaking on behalf of the Russian people.
                        RIGHT Someone gave flawed losers?

                        PS The tone was set by YOU "bloody nicholas" and categorical and irrefutable judgments based on the UNKNOWLEDGE of fairly well-known facts.
                        PS2 I’m discussing a certain specific comedian, all possible coincidences are random
                      22. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 3 August 2016 12: 59
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                        Quote: Aleksander
                        ALL IS SPECIFIED

                        The allegations that are not supported by any evidence are not objective. Therefore, they are absolutely not convincing. laughing

                        Quote: Aleksander
                        Serbs had nothing to do with Russia and could NOT make a "banner" for it by definition

                        Once again for the ignorant: in the 1938, the bloody Romanov family was canonized not by Serbs, but by the Orthodox Church. Which is absolutely indifferent to the nationality of the parishioners.

                        Therefore, all the squeals about the Serbs are another demonstration of ignorance. laughing

                        Quote: Aleksander
                        RIGHT Someone gave flawed losers?

                        The right to speak on behalf of the Russian people to the communists was given to the people, in 1917, choosing communism as the civilizational path of Russia's development. And the people did not give their consent to refuse this path in 1991 by voting in a referendum to preserve the USSR.

                        So it’s not for you to ask such questions here. laughing



                        Quote: Aleksander
                        The tone was set by YOU "bloody Nikolashka"

                        Nikolashka was nicknamed "Bloody" back in 1905. And they called him absolutely rightly - "a hat according to Senka." So to call him that way is my completely conscious and well-grounded choice, based on the study of the real history of his reign.

                        And please be kind enough to keep your uterine hatred of the Russian people deep inside yourself and not to splash on your opponent. You’re not talking at the market.

                        As for my alleged ignorance of "fairly well-known facts", then it's not for you to talk about it. Because there were simply no facts on your part. On the other hand, there were many different kinds of quasi-patriotic slogans and proclamations of liberal propaganda.
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                      24. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 3 August 2016 22: 40
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                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        The allegations that are not supported by any evidence are not objective. Therefore, they are absolutely not convincing

                        You have stupid, unsubstantiated, false statements - dull agitation and, therefore, unconvincing
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Once again for the ignorant: in the 1938, the bloody Romanov family was canonized not by Serbs, but by the Orthodox Church. Which is absolutely indifferent to the nationality of the parishioners.

                        For D.EBILOV-canonized SERBIAN church, NO relation to RUSSIAN NOT having (claim, by the way, that she did NOT canonize either). And about which many did not know, especially cannonization.
                        Ignored an ignorant comedian who does not know the elementary, but has no strength to recognize.
                        smile
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        The people gave the right to speak on behalf of the Russian people to the communists. So it’s not for you to ask such questions here


                        Oh, zvizdyuzhen went what a pompously stupid! lol Again: NOBODY NEVER messed up comedians with anything and never gave- no "choice", no power.

                        Chop on the nose: you-NOBODY AND NOTHINGin order to speak on behalf of the Russian people and indicate what can be said and how can you say what questions to ask.
                        Hurry, slow down, your time is over, the loser commies of ALL licked and lost the right to speak, their place under the bench.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        As for my alleged ignorance of "fairly well-known facts", then it's not for you to talk about it. Because there were simply no facts on your part. On the other hand, there were many different kinds of quasi-patriotic slogans and proclamations of liberal propaganda.

                        Fi, the comic is already just nastyGermans near Narva in the summer 1917 WHERE? The deceitful communist commissary, but tries to jam the coward on the go. So you see ALL! laughing
                      25. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 4 August 2016 10: 38
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                        Quote: Aleksander
                        You have stupid, unsubstantiated, false statements - dull agitation and, therefore, unconvincing

                        So refute them with facts and figures. Can you? Or can you just puff out your cheeks meaningfully in hints: "I have proof, but I will not show it to you"?

                        Quote: Aleksander
                        For D.EBILOV-canonized the SERB church, which has NO relation to RUSSIAN
                        First, you get hysterical. So you simply do not have any clear arguments. Hence a similar reaction. Secondly, I explain for the ignoramuses: the Orthodox Church canonized. And it doesn’t matter at all which patriarchy it belongs to: Serbian, Greek, Constantinople. For the church, nationality does not matter. And the saints adopted in the church, which refers, for example, to the Constantinople partiarchy, are obligatory for veneration in the churches of the MPRC.

                        As for the squeals: “I had nothing to do with Russians,” a huge number of Russian Orthodox emigrants lived in Serbia at that time. And they prayed to the local Orthodox churches.

                        Therefore, we can say with 100% certainty that the decision on canonization was made precisely from their submission. And these emigrants could act in this way only on the basis of their political conjuncture, because it was necessary to combine forces that finally fell apart during their stay in the west.
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        ONCE AGAIN: NOBODY has ever given the comics who have done anything and gave them no "choice" or authority.

                        Once again, for the especially incomprehensible: having ensured the victory of the Bolsheviks in the Civil War, the Russian people thereby delegated to them the right to speak on their own behalf. Therefore, you can continue to saliva, but this historical fact will remain a historical fact.
                      26. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 4 August 2016 10: 39
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                        Quote: Aleksander
                        the living communism has managed, but the coward is trying to get stuck on the go.

                        Rudeness is the first sign of a lack of argument. laughing
                      27. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 23: 26
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                        Quote: Aleksander
                        Ancestors NEVER chose ANY "communism"
                        They chose it, ensuring the victory of the Soviet government in the Civil War, unleashed by political opponents of the Bolsheviks.


                        Quote: Aleksander
                        Bolshevik criminals, no one has ever chosen anywhere, in all elections they are in.

                        Another demonstration of ignorance of the liberodrist. Even in the elections to the U.S., the Bolsheviks won in all major industrial centers, in the army and navy. And they organized the second largest faction in the assembly, which ensured them to block his work and turn into a booth that did not represent anyone and for which he was not responsible.

                        Quote: Aleksander
                        They seized power by force,

                        They obtained power from the hands of the II All-Russian Congress of Soviets.

                        Quote: Aleksander
                        wild lies

                        Lies. The Bolsheviks implemented all their slogans and promises.

                        Quote: Aleksander
                        atrocious terror
                        Again a lie. At the same time involved in Russophobia. Because it implies that the Russian people are cowardly and that they can be controlled with the help of terror. While the whole history of the Russian people says that this is impossible.


                        Quote: Aleksander
                        they themselves died, fled, evaporated, themselves spitting on their own "ideals", emitting a quiet, but fetid fart.
                        Again a lie.

                        If the communists “died, fled, evaporated,” then anti-communist propaganda would not be the most popular in the modern world. And huge amounts of money would not be spent on it.

                        As for the "bunch", thanks to it, modern Russia has existed for 25 years. So it is possible to consider the legacy of the communists a "bunch" only out of stupidity and ignorance.
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        There are no you, there are only "costumed" komimpotents left.

                        "Millions are you. We are darkness, and darkness, and darkness.
                        "(with) bully
                      28. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 3 August 2016 12: 36
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                        quote = Alexey T. (Oper)] They chose it, ensuring the victory of the Soviet government in the Civil War unleashed by political opponents of the Bolsheviks

                        The people choose in the ELECTIONS, therefore, in the free elections in the UC, he chose the Bolsheviks who were by no means overwhelmed. And when this minority, FORCE took power, very many opposed: they then chose another. And this is absolutely logical. Therefore, ALL Fault for GV-on criminals Bolsheviks.
                        5% of the population who participated in the GB do NOT talk about the choice of the people.
                        By the way, when a bandit presses you in the gateway, remember yourself and your opinion that he is stronger and, therefore, right

                        Alexey T. (Oper)] Another demonstration of the ignorance of the liberodrist. Bolsheviks won even in the elections to the U.S.
                        Managed in the elections, gaining only 22-24%, and this despite their wild dictatorship, murders, arrests, the prohibition of the Cadet party, the re-election of deputies, the change of employment in favor of young soldiers and all the same-PUK.
                        There was no blocking, out of 410 registered deputies, 245 left to work, quorum FOR WORK was. For OPENINGS OF THE MEETING burry carla indicated the number 400 and it was respected.
                        A little more than half of the 450 deputies are working in the Duma; there is a quorum, okay.
                        The Bolsheviks wanted to leave, well, and x with them.
                        By the way, the syphilitic did not write in the decree on dispersal on the quorum, he understood that he was nonsense, indicated that he rejected the Declaration.
                        Alexey T. (Opera)] Lies. The Bolsheviks implemented all their slogans and promises.

                        Here's another LIE.

                        Terror was wild: hunger, violence, slave labor, direct killings killed tens of millions of Russian people.

                        Alexey T. (Oper)] If the communists "died, scattered, evaporated", then the anti-communist propaganda

                        Who needs them, what are you ?! Where is she?
                        .
                        Alexey T. (Opera)] As for the "bunch", thanks to him modern Russia has existed for 25 years


                        Russia exists thanks to everyone who created it during 1000 years BEFORE the comics. The comics have flashed it, cut it and actually destroyed it, creating ruins that never existed.

                        Many countries of the world have become perfectly developed WITHOUT the Bolsheviks (contrary to even) and WITHOUT the destruction of millions of citizens of the country.

                        Russia BEFORE the commie-4-5 economy of the world, but with huge human fast-growing potential, unthinkable for other developed France.
                        What objectively brought Russia forward.

                        And the commies destroyed this potential, tore it up, and mutilated it for an insignificant historical period: by the 70 years, the Russian people had NOT properly built themselves up, in the 80s it was already dying out.

                        One can only imagine how many Gagarins and Korolevs Russia missed due to criminal comedians, and the desert of the heart of Russia — the Non-Black Earth Region, in addition to pain, causes nothing.

                        Communists-KILLERS of the Russian people and Russia.
                      29. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 3 August 2016 13: 44
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                        Quote: Aleksander
                        The people choose in the ELECTIONS, therefore, in the free elections in the US, he chose the Bolsheviks who were not at all overwhelmed.

                        In the elections to the U.S., the Communists won in all major industrial centers, in the army and navy. What gave them the opportunity to form the second largest faction in the assembly.

                        And the coalition agreement concluded with the Left Socialist Revolutionaries gave them the opportunity to deprive the quorum of the meeting and block its work (exclusively by parliamentary, i.e., democratic methods), turning it into absolutely no one talking room.

                        Quote: Aleksander
                        Therefore, ALL Fault for GV-on criminals Bolsheviks.

                        This is an outright lie. Civil wars begin those who lost in the struggle for power by other methods. In January 1918, the real power (I emphasize - real power, based on the support of the bulk of the population, the availability of money and law enforcement agencies) in the country was in the hands of the Bolsheviks, and not the Constituent Assembly. The only thing the Bolsheviks asked of his deputies was to support their plan for reforming the country.

                        Consequently, it was not the Bolsheviks who started the war, but their political opponents, who, because of their unsatisfied political ambitions, turned the people into a bloody feud.
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        There was no blocking, out of 410 registered deputies, 245 was left to work, there was a quorum FOR WORK.
                        This is how much it is necessary to be ignorant so as not to be able to understand a document written in a language understandable even to semi-literate peasants. fool The quorum was 400 people. Without this number of deputies in the meeting room, the meeting would not have taken place at all. laughing

                        Learn history not from liberal agitation, but from documents ...
                      30. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 3 August 2016 15: 47
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                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        In elections to the U.S., the Communists won in all major industrial centers.


                        I don’t understand: why are you repeating yourself?

                        At the top, I wrote ALL about quorum and about the treatment of syphilitic during overclocking, about the quorum of NOT farting a single word , and about the insignificant fraction of the Bolsheviks with the Social Revolutionaries (with their dictatorship).
                        A minority has gone — their right, decisions are made by the majority — for democracy!
                        But when the minority disperses the majority, the GW begins.

                        Everything is logical and incontrovertible, but the estimates are com- mon to the furnace.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        This is an outright lie. Civil wars begin those who lost in the struggle for power by other methods. In January 1918, the real power (I emphasize - real power, based on the support of the bulk of the population, the availability of money and law enforcement agencies) in the country was in the hands of the Bolsheviks, and not the Constituent Assembly. The only thing the Bolsheviks asked of his deputies was to support their plan for reforming the country.

                        Yeah, you give your own definitions, you follow them yourself and, as a result, smile triumphantly.
                        Yes, your definitions of nonsense about GV and support of the population are nonsense: how did you define it, your finger slandered? ELECTIONS determine where the Bolsheviks lost.
                        And I indicated the reasons for GV-people spoke out for their rights trampled by the junta of RIGHT.
                        If the Bolsheviks won the election, there would be no GV, for the winners would also rule. But they lost.

                        Opera This is how much it is necessary to be ignorant in order not to be able to understand a document written in a language understandable even to semi-literate peasants. fool The quorum was 400 people. Without this number of deputies in the meeting room, the meeting would not have taken place at all.

                        And why are you so ignorant if you do not understand the SIMPLE and WRITTEN syphilitic:

                        Meeting Opens by a person authorized by the Council of People's Commissars, with at least the presence in the meeting room four hundred members of the Constituent Assembly.
                        [/ I]
                        You are completely blind?-DISCOVERIESNOT WORK!
                        It was 410 dep. Everything: meeting open, START and whoever wants can leave! (Registered in the Duma 450, work in progress, quorum 226)

                        Read the ORIGINALs so as not to fall into ...

                        Once again, the cartouche NOT referenced quorum (he is fool, but not so much as to miss it), and you are smarter than him, of course. smile
                      31. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 3 August 2016 18: 53
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                        Quote: Aleksander

                        At the top, ALL I wrote about the quorum, and about the treatment of the syphilitic during acceleration, about the quorum of NOT farting a single word,

                        I don’t know what kind of syphilitics you are talking about all the time (apparently the problem of sexually transmitted diseases, in particular syphilis, is extremely urgent for you), and the fact that there is no quorum is known to any researcher who is interested in this issue. Therefore, all your cries speak only that this turned out to be an unexpected discovery for you.

                        Quote: Aleksander
                        And I indicated the reasons for GV-people spoke out for their rights trampled by the junta of RIGHT.

                        Named the power of the Bolsheviks as a junta, you thereby once again demonstrate blatant ignorance, because you do not understand what the concept of "junta" means. laughing

                        The people supported the Bolsheviks, ensuring them victory in the Civil War. This is a historical fact. Everything else is demagogy and cheap propaganda.

                        Quote: Aleksander
                        The meeting shall be opened by a person authorized by the Council of People's Commissars, with at least four hundred members of the Constituent Assembly in the meeting room.
                        [/ I]
                        Are you blind at all? - OPENING, NOT WORK!

                        Those. according to your deep conviction, the fact of discovery in itself could the CSS work without this procedure? laughing

                        It seems that you are just raving ...

                        Quote: Aleksander
                        It was 410 dep. All: the meeting is open, the work is STARTED

                        Pts is good. Then half of the deputies present in the hall left the room and work immediately ended with this act. Since the moment the Bolsheviks left the hall, not a single vote had any force. And it didn’t have the strength precisely because there were fewer than 400 deputies in the hall who could constitute a quorum.

                        This is clear? Or will you continue to demonstrate a frank misunderstanding of the democratic principles of the functioning of parliament?
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        Read the ORIGINALs so as not to fall into ...
                        I not only read them, but also understand what is written in them. Unlike you. laughing
                      32. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 3 August 2016 23: 15
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                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        I don’t know what kind of syphilitics you have there all the time, and the fact of the absence of a quorum is known to any researcher who was interested in this issue. Therefore, all your cries speak only that this turned out to be an unexpected discovery for you.

                        You know who. smile
                        It is clear that for you the discovery was that 400 deputies is a quorum for DISCOVERIES US, quotation of the decree is given:

                        Meeting Opens by a person authorized by the Council of People's Commissars, with at least the presence in the meeting room four hundred members of the Constituent Assembly.

                        OPENING, NOT WORK! If there is no ONE deputy (went to the toilet) after the opening, then the CSS does not work, according to the commie, what a funny commo! belay

                        It was 410 dep. All: the meeting is open, the work is STARTED and whoever wants to can leave!

                        Once again, the card-type bastard did NOT refer to the quorum in the "decree on overclocking" (he was a creature, but he was not so stupid as to miss such an "iron" alibi, but he did NOT do it, citing the absolutely unconvincing non-acceptance of the US Declarations).
                        All NORMAL people have long known this, only the comedian slows down and slows down. fool

                        Do you consider yourself smarter than grandpa ?!
                        smile fool
                        By the way, yes, I already said it all ?!

                        Doesn't it reach you right away? Tired of talking with a dull wall.

                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        I not only read them, but also understand what is written in them


                        You obviously flatter yourself. Here another begs: looks at a book and sees a fig.

                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        The people supported the Bolsheviks, ensuring them victory in the Civil War. This is a historical fact. Everything else is demagogy and cheap propaganda.


                        The people did NOT support the Bolsheviks by rolling them in the elections, and after the massacre of the Red Army, there were even fewer demonstrations in support of the US.
                        5% of the population in the GW is NOTHING compared to the elections where they participated 50% .

                        This is a historical fact. Everything else is stupid Gkommikov’s demagogy and cheap propaganda, which has long been useless for anyone smile
                      33. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 4 August 2016 10: 59
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                        Quote: Aleksander
                        You know who.

                        No. I do not know. This is solely your invention. And it is clearly based on a personal problem with sexually transmitted diseases, in particular syphilis. laughing

                        Quote: Aleksander
                        OPENING, NOT WORK! If there is no ONE deputy (went to the toilet) after opening, then the CSS does not work, according to the commic-

                        The job of parliament is to pass laws. Laws are adopted by vote. If half of the deputies are absent in the hall and there are not enough votes to make a decision (quorum), then there can be no talk of any work, since voting is impossible, it will be illegitimate.
                        Since leaving the meeting hall, the Bolsheviks and the Left Socialist Revolutionaries have not become a quorum. Accordingly, the CA automatically stopped its work and turned into an ordinary talking room

                        Quote: Aleksander
                        the grumpy u.blyudok did NOT refer to the quorum in the "decree on acceleration"

                        Burry ok maybe not referenced. Who is unknown to me.
                        But Lenin directly wrote about this in the Decree on the dissolution of the Constituent Assembly: "Leaving such a Constituent Assembly of the Bolshevik and Left Socialist-Revolutionary factions, who now constitute a knowingly vast majority in the Soviets and are trusted by workers and the majority
                        peasants was inevitable. "

                        I have already made sure that you are not able to analyze and understand even the most primitive test, so I will specifically explain what is written here.

                        The basis of the real power existing at that time in the republic was the Soviets. In the Soviets (local bodies of Valsti, endowed with the confidence of the people, that is, legitimacy) by January 1918 of the year, the majority of the mandates were held by the Bolsheviks and Left Social Revolutionaries. Which, by the way, refutes the squeals that the Bolsheviks usurped power, they did not usurp it, but created coalition governing bodies of the country. Therefore, the Bolsheviks and the Left Social Revolutionaries in the Constituent Assembly represented the organs of real power, legitimized by the majority of the population.

                        Hence, a simple conclusion: leaving the meeting room, the Bolsheviks and the Left Social Revolutionaries thereby deprived the support of the support of that part of the population (majority) that trusted the local authorities. And if representatives of the majority do not take part in legislative activity, then what quorum (i.e. what legitimization of laws adopted by parliament) can be discussed?

                        Consequently, without even directing the Decree directly that the meeting was dissolved precisely because of the lack of a quorum (read — the trust of the majority of the population), Lenin in any case relied precisely on this fact.

                        Learn the story ... laughing
                      34. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 4 August 2016 12: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Karty ok may not have been referenced. I do not know who this is. But Lenin directly wrote about this in the Decree on the dissolution of the Constituent Assembly: "The departure from such a Constituent Assembly of the Bolshevik and Left SR factions, who now constitute a deliberately vast majority in the Soviets and enjoy the confidence of the workers and the majority of peasants, was inevitable."


                        You do not know literature, not only history: how do you live in the world? smile

                        Learn: the great Russian writer I.A. Bunin, a contemporary of Lenin about him: "cross-eyed, burr, bald syphilitic"


                        I also use the well-known, well-known definition of a co-creator.

                        Now hopefully remember? (and why should I enlighten something?)

                        I ask for the third time: do you consider yourself smarter than a syphilitic who did NOT use the iron argument for dispersal, the absence of a quorum?

                        For him, this was NOT an argument; I have already explained THREE times.

                        Learn history and literature ..
                      35. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 4 August 2016 13: 12
                        -1
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        Learn: the great Russian writer I.A. Bunin,

                        A sexually preoccupied, russophobic bartender-graphoman by definition cannot be a great Russian writer, much less authoritative. laughing
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        The third time I ask: do you consider yourself smarter than syphilitic
                        And this is the third time I’m answering you: I don’t understand who you write about.




                        Quote: Aleksander
                        For him, this was NOT an argument; I have already explained THREE times.
                        For syphilitic, perhaps this was not an argument. Since I do not understand who you are writing about, I admit such an opportunity.

                        But for Lenin, this was one of the main arguments, which was written about in the Decree on the dissolution of the Constituent Assembly. What was explained above to you quite intelligibly.
                      36. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 4 August 2016 15: 21
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        A sexually preoccupied, russophobic bartender-graphoman by definition cannot be a great Russian writer, much less authoritative

                        Who is interested in evaluating non-existent loser commies?
                        Bunin is eternal.

                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        And this is the third time I’m answering you: I don’t understand who you write about.


                        I clarified five times.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        But for Lenin, this was one of the main arguments, which was written about in the Decree on the dissolution of the Constituent Assembly. What was explained to you above quite intelligibly

                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        But for Lenin, this was one of the main arguments, which was written about in the Decree on the dissolution of the Constituent Assembly. What was explained to you above quite intelligibly


                        Syphilitic NOT A WORD the absence of a quorum in the Constitutional Court as a reason for the dissolution of the Constitutionin his decree on dissolution.

                        Delusional fantasies and considerations of the commic, his translations from Russian into Russian of syphilitic speeches are not at all interesting.

                        The syphilitic was smarter than the comedian after all ...
                      37. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 4 August 2016 11: 00
                        -1
                        Quote: Aleksander

                        The people did NOT support the Bolsheviks by rolling them in the elections, and after the massacre of the Red Army, there were even fewer demonstrations in support of the US.
                        5% of the population in the GW is NOTHING compared to the elections where they participated 50% .

                        This is a historical fact. Everything else is stupid Gkommikov’s demagogy and cheap propaganda, which has long been useless for anyone smile

                        If the people did not ensure victory (that is, did not pay taxes and did not give recruits), then the Bolsheviks would never be able to win the Civil War. And they won. Hence the conclusion: the people supported precisely the Bolsheviks.

                        And this is a historical fact. laughing
                      38. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 4 August 2016 13: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        If the people did not ensure victory (that is, did not pay taxes and did not give recruits), then the Bolsheviks would never be able to win the Civil War. And they won. Hence the conclusion: the people supported precisely the Bolsheviks.


                        I didn’t give it: everyone was taken away by force, blackmail, hostage and terror
                      39. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 4 August 2016 13: 42
                        -1
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        I didn’t give it: everyone was taken away by force, blackmail, hostage and terror

                        To consider that the Russian people can be controlled with the help of force and terror is Russophobia. laughing
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                      41. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 4 August 2016 22: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        To consider that the Russian people can be controlled with the help of force and terror - Russophobia


                        About how: the comedian himself comes up with definitions, he follows and, with a dull roar of triumph, considers something proven.

                        And the fact that its definitions dumb initially, and all subsequent constructions, respectively, collapse, doesn’t come to his head?

                        And they are just stupid and stupid: he is NOT an authority to speak truths, he is nobody.
                      42. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 3 August 2016 13: 44
                        -1
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        Terror was wild: hunger, violence, slave labor, direct killings killed tens of millions of Russian people.

                        This is the usual slogan of liberal propaganda. Absolutely not convincing for a person who understands the real history of Russia-USSR.

                        It’s ridiculous to ask for evidence on it, because there will still be none. laughing

                        Quote: Aleksander
                        Who needs them, what are you ?! Where is she?

                        Everywhere. Including on the pages of Topvar. And in the legislation of modern Russia. And in the speeches of its leaders, including the highest rank. One demand for de-Stalinization is direct anti-communist propaganda.

                        Quote: Aleksander
                        Russia exists thanks to everyone who created it during the 1000 years BEFORE the comics. The comics have flashed it, cut it and actually destroyed it, creating ruins that never existed.

                        Again empty slogans.
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        Russia BEFORE the commie-4-5 economy of the world, but with huge human fast-growing potential, unthinkable for other developed France.
                        What objectively brought Russia forward.

                        Dry statistics refute this next crunch of French rolls. Before the revolution, Russia was a poor agrarian country with a peripheral economy, in fact a colony of developed Western countries, possessing neither financial nor economic sovereignty. And at the same time, who did not have a single chance ever in the foreseeable near future, not only to overtake one of them, but even to simply equal them in terms of their level of development. As confirmed in the 1915 year, the conclusion of the commission of academician Vernadsky.

                        Learn history not from propaganda of liberal propaganda but from documents ...
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                      44. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 3 August 2016 16: 11
                        -1
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Absolutely not convincing for a person who understands the real history of Russia-USSR.


                        You are ridiculous propagandists, as are your non-existent "arguments".

                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Everywhere. Including on the pages of Topvar. And in the legislation of modern Russia. And in the speeches of its leaders, including the highest rank. One demand for de-Stalinization is direct anti-communist propaganda.

                        Paranoia vulgaris. comedians no one and not afraid of anyone, like a big-tooth tiger.smile
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Again empty slogans.

                        You.
                        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                        Dry statistics refute this next crunch of French rolls. Before the revolution, Russia was a poor agrarian country with a peripheral economy, in fact a colony of developed Western countries, possessing neither financial nor economic sovereignty. And at the same time, who did not have a single chance ever in the foreseeable near future, not only to overtake one of them, but even to simply equal them in terms of their level of development. As confirmed in the 1915 year, the conclusion of the commission of academician Vernadsky.


                        Dry statistics indicate that commies destroyed, torn, disfigured Russian people for an insignificant historical period in 50-70 years:
                        By the 70 years, the second largest one of the fastest growing nations in the world, the Arusian itself did NOT reproduce itself properly, 80's already dying out.

                        And it happened when exclusive board of criminals and it their responsibility

                        Communists-KILLERS of the Russian people and Russia
                      45. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 3 August 2016 18: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: Aleksander
                        Dry statistics indicate that the commies destroyed, tore, disfigured the Russian people for an insignificant historical period in 50-70 years:

                        Dry statistics say just the opposite. And you know it better than me. Therefore, rage in fits of Russophobia. laughing

                        Quote: Aleksander
                        Communists-KILLERS of the Russian people and Russia
                        The slogans of liberal propaganda sound unconvincing. Come up with something more original. laughing
                    2. Alexey T. (Oper)
                      Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 15: 22
                      -1
                      Quote: Aleksander
                      It’s necessary, you still need to take a party card from the comic
                      It’s hard to take what is not and never was.
        3. Alexey T. (Oper)
          Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 15: 55
          0
          Quote: Aleksander
          The true collapse went with a deceitfully stupid decree on peace, on fraternization, on a truce and on the ELECTION of commanders — these are all communal crimes.

          No decree on fraternization has ever existed. The first fact of fraternization was noted back in 1915.

          Only the frank Russophobe can consider the Decree on Peace to be nonsense, for whom the war for other people's commercial interests is more important than the lives of hundreds of thousands of Russian people.

          And if such a subject said something like that in Petrograd in October 1917, then in a maximum of a couple of minutes he would already be hanging on the first lantern he came across or lying in the doorway with a bullet in his head as a "gift" from revolutionary soldiers and sailors ... Moreover, the "gift" is absolutely deserved.
          1. Aleksander
            Aleksander 1 August 2016 23: 04
            -2
            Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
            No decree on fraternization has ever existed.


            Yes? And what's that:
            "Let the shelves in position immediately choose the authorized to formally enter into peace talks with the enemy.

            Council of People's Commissars gives you the right to do so.
            Soldiers! The matter of peace is in your hands. Vigilance, endurance, energy, and the cause of peace will triumph
            November 22, 1917
            Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
            Only the frank Russophobe can consider the Decree on Peace to be nonsense, for whom the war for other people's commercial interests is more important than the lives of hundreds of thousands of Russian people.

            This is not just bullshit, it is naively stupid CRIMINAL nonsense. Entente countries simply spat on this stupidity, but the enemies, of course, trampled on the comics and raped the burry syphilitic in all places.
            MILLIONS of Russian people did not die in WWI, but in the Civil Slaughter unleashed by the comics (and they promised peace)

            Russophobes are non-humans who have led the Russian people to extinction in just 70 years of their dictatorship.
            Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
            And if such a subject said something like that in Petrograd in October 1917, then in a maximum of a couple of minutes he would already be hanging on the first lantern he came across or lying in the doorway with a bullet in his head as a "gift" from revolutionary soldiers and sailors... Moreover, a "gift" absolutely deserved by them

            And for the comics, you might think that the neck is iron. wink
            Are you talking about a spare cattle who drowned in the spilled wine of the Zimny ​​cellars they had broken, who never fought and was mortally afraid of the front? Yeah, those cattle got drunk well then.
            But this remained their only happiness in the Soviet ...
            1. tatra
              tatra 1 August 2016 23: 20
              0
              Quote: Aleksander
              MILLIONS of Russian people did not die in WWI, but in the Civil Slaughter unleashed by the comics (and they promised peace)

              You, the enemies of the Communists, not only slandered the Communists in order to justify your capture of the USSR, you are also insolently, contrary to all logic, blamed the Communists for the crimes of their enemies.
              The civil war in Soviet Russia was unleashed by YOU, the internal enemies of the Bolsheviks, together with your allies, the interventionists, in order to overthrow the power of the Bolsheviks and dismember the centuries-old Russia.
              And you are the killers of millions of Soviet people in the Civil War
              And the most important thing is that you all have proven your anti-Soviet propaganda is that you do not have a single honest person, and that you have NO honest and objective accusations against the Communists.
              1. Aleksander
                Aleksander 2 August 2016 00: 08
                -2
                You are a minus! But not for the content of the commentary (I do not appreciate nonsense), but for [b] multiple (50 times) repetition of the SAME phrase: "
                [/B]
                Quote: tatra [b
                ] You, the enemies of the Communists, did not just slander the Communists in order to justify your capture of the USSR [/ b]

                Is it really impossible to diversify ?!
                For example: "You, anti-communist enemies", "You, non-communist non-friends", etc.?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 2 August 2016 00: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: Aleksander
                  Is it really impossible to diversify ?!

                  No way. You are the enemy of the Communists, period. negative laughing
                2. tatra
                  tatra 2 August 2016 00: 19
                  +1
                  Quote: Aleksander
                  You minus! But not for the content of the comment (I do not appreciate nonsense

                  Ha, what, decided to get out cowardly? You cannot refute my words.
                  And it is useless to press on me, and to arrange tantrums, ENEMIES OF COMMUNISTS.
              2. Serg65
                Serg65 2 August 2016 07: 34
                +2
                Quote: tatra
                And the most important thing is that you all have proven your anti-Soviet propaganda is that there is not a single honest person among you

                Comrade, do not appeal to honesty; you yourself do not shine with this honesty.
                Quote: tatra
                , the enemies of the Communists, not only slandered the Communists with the aim of justifying your capture of the USSR, you are also impudent, contrary to any logic, blamed the Communists for the crimes of their enemies.

                The communist-Leninist Khrushchev shot the enemies of the communist workers of Nolvocherkassk, introduced ration cards, put the world on the brink of nuclear war. The communist Brezhnev began "non-commercial wars" in Afghanistan, Angola, Yemen, Ethiopia, Nicaragua, and Vietnam. Brezhnev became the father of Soviet corruption. At a time when the Soviet people, so beloved by you, stood in line for a simple "Moskvich-412" for half their lives, the auto collection of the communist Brezhnev had no account. Communists Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Yakovlev, Shevardnadze, Kravchuk, Brazauskas, Ligachev, Ryzhkov, V.S. Pavlov, P.S. Grachev Gromov F.N. and thousands more of the same communists who destroyed the USSR - who is this? If these are the enemies of the communists, then who are the communists?
                Quote: tatra
                you have NO objective accusation against communists

                Ie black is white? Nicholas II, bloody and stupid, threw his people to pieces! Perhaps so, but at least he did not rob, ruin and sell his country and his faith, like many "magicians" who were communists today, but waking up tomorrow as democrats and believers.
                Quote: tatra
                You enemies of the Communists have not just slandered the Communists

                Tell me honest communists, but compare them with the code of the communist !? Be kind!
            2. Alexey T. (Oper)
              Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 10: 04
              0
              Quote: Aleksander
              Yes? And what's that:

              I explain to those who are not able to understand what they read.

              The text contains instructions on the organization of a truce declared by the Soviet government. There are no indications of fraternization in the text presented. This is nothing more than your stupid fantasies based on ordinary cave Russophobia - the generic difference between any liberalist and a normal person.

              Quote: Aleksander
              This is not just bullshit, it is naively stupid CRIMINAL bullshit.

              Well of course. Indeed, for any faithful liberalist, the death of hundreds of thousands of his compatriots is nothing more than a naively stupidly criminal nonsense. For these Russophobes, the life of Russian people does not mean anything.
              Quote: Aleksander
              MILLIONS of Russian people did not die in WWI, but in the Civil Slaughter unleashed by the comics (and they promised peace)
              The Communists can be blamed for starting a civil war only by a frankly ignorant subject who does not understand the reasons why civil wars arise and the ultimate goals for which they are being waged.

              Although what I wonder. Such ignorance is, along with outright Russophobia, a hallmark of any anti-Soviet. wink
              Quote: Aleksander
              This is you about a spare cattle,

              This is me about Russian soldiers tired of shedding blood for other people's commercial interests and profits.

              Do you consider them cattle? Your right. Only in this case, the mask of the note patriot is completely in your face.
              1. Aleksander
                Aleksander 2 August 2016 14: 04
                -2
                Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                The text contains instructions on the organization of a truce declared by the Soviet government. There are no indications of fraternization in the text presented. This is nothing more than your stupid fantasies based on ordinary cave Russophobia - the generic difference between any liberalist and a normal person.


                Organization of a truce ... SHELVES ?! fool
                For poorly and abnormally thinking comedians: regiments DO NOT conclude a truce between states -never and nowhere. Only at comedians.
                And naturally led to complete collapse and mass fraternization and desertion: after all, the "government" declared peace.

                i] [i] Since that time, fraternization at the front has become widespread: by 16 (29) on November 20 Russian divisions concluded a truce in writing with the German troops, and of the 125 Russian divisions that were at the front, the majority, according to the German command , adhered to the ceasefire agreement [/ i] [/ i] Sobolev, milter

                But very soon, when the burrowing syphilitic was raped by everyone who wanted, he yelled another:

                On 17 (30) December, at a meeting of representatives of the All-Army Congress on the demobilization of the army, Lenin, Trotsky and Krylenko arrived and stated that the situation with the conclusion of peace “was almost hopeless, since the Germans flatly refused to recognize the principle of self-determination of peoples; so The Council of People's Commissars considers it necessary, at all costs, to restore the combat readiness of the army and to have the opportunity to continue the war. "
                Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                Well of course. Indeed, for any faithful liberalist, the death of hundreds of thousands of his compatriots is nothing more than a naively stupidly criminal nonsense. For these Russophobes, the life of Russian people does not mean anything.


                Amazing and astonishing hypocrisy: Russophobia is spoken by those who led the Russian people to extinction in the 1980 in just the 70 years of their reign, destroying tens of millions of Russians by hunger, murder, inhuman conditions.
                Primates without conscience.
                1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                  Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 14: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Aleksander
                  Organization of a truce ... SHELVES ?!

                  Exactly. At the grassroots level, a truce is organized by representatives of units occupying a very specific sector of the front.

                  So they did the right thing by twisting the brains of their yellow ball. Maybe now you’ll finally begin to think about how the vertical control works in reality.

                  Quote: Aleksander
                  about Russophobia say those who led the Russian people to extinction in 1980-

                  Only the absolutely stubborn Russophobe can write about the extinction of the Russian people in 1980. Not only that stubborn, but also in addition and completely ignorant. laughing

                  Quote: Aleksander
                  destroying tens of millions of Russians by famine, killings, inhuman conditions.
                  Not enough counted. The owners will not approve, they will not give a bowl with lentil soup.


                  Quote: Aleksander
                  Primates without conscience.

                  Russophobic elementary about conscience remembered. Where was the conscience of the liberodrist when they ruined the country in 1991, dropping the people into poverty and squalor?
                2. Alexey T. (Oper)
                  Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 15: 15
                  0
                  Quote: Aleksander
                  And naturally led to complete collapse and mass fraternization

                  The first case of mass fraternization on the Eastern Front was already noted in December 1914, i.e. even before Lenin put forward his famous slogan on the transfer of imperialist war into civil war. It was attended by soldiers of two RIA regiments at once - the 249-th Infantry Danube and 235-th Infantry Belebeyevsky. The case of Christmas fraternization in December 1914 was not the only one on the same front. So, 20 soldier, 4 non-commissioned officer and 1 corporal of the 301 infantry regiment of the Bobruisk regiment of the 76 infantry division "absented frivolity" in the German position

                  Further more. The fraternities continued at constant intervals on different sectors of the front for the entire 1915 year. Such relations were, for example, in the 55 infantry Siberian regiment in the Western Dvina, at Fort Franz, where the arrows of the 4 battalion agreed with the Germans to "live in friendship," without warning, never disturbing each other, not shooting and not taking prisoners . The regiment’s arrows didn’t go for reconnaissance, but “on a visit,” and not at night, but during the day. From the Germans who came to meet them, the soldiers received cigarettes, cognac, and the German "gifts" brought to the doctors of the regiment. Non-commissioned officers and even regiment officers participated in these "relations with the enemy," the battalion commander and, apparently, the regiment commander knew about them.

                  "The widespread development of relations with the enemy on the Russian front is also indicated by the for Easter 1916 (coinciding with this holiday at the enemy - April 10) fraternities, in which dozens of regiments, artillery batteries and railway battalions of the Northern and South-Western fronts participated. Among them were the 16th Rifle Emperor Alexander III, 41th Infantry Selenginsky, 114th Infantry Novotorzhsky, 143th Infantry Dorogobuzhsky, 239th Infantry Kon-Stantinograd, 277th Infantry Pereyaslavsky, 321th Infantry Pereyaslavsky, XNNX the 1st Infantry Volsky, the 403th Infantry Kadnikovsky, the 479th Infantry Zhizdrinsky; 482th Ingul infantry infantry, 500th Siberian rifle regiments, 45th Siberian railway battalion, 4th battery of the 44th artillery brigade28. On the mass fraternity on the South-Western Front “As a general rule” It was also said with respect to the chief of staff of the commander-in-chief, General M.V. Alekseeva"

                  http://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/brataniya-na-russkom-fronte-pervoy-mirovoy-voyn
                  y

                  This is not a difficult conclusion: all the accusations against the Bolsheviks, who allegedly issued a mythical decree on fraternization, are the fruit of a consciousness struck by Russophobic propaganda. laughing
        4. Akselruur
          Akselruur 1 August 2016 16: 30
          0
          Quote: Aleksander
          de.bilno-stupid decree on peace, fraternization, truce and the election of commanders are all communal crimes.

          really knock yourself on the head de'Bill fool fool fool you passed the story on the exam?
        5. Svidetel 45
          Svidetel 45 2 August 2016 01: 24
          +3
          But did the Bolsheviks force the king to abdicate? And did the Bolsheviks issue order No. 1 too? And already in the spring of 17, the Bolsheviks also sent food detachments? And did the Bolsheviks organize a parade of sovereignty (well, yes, it has not yet collapsed)? This was all acts of national betrayal, and the Bolsheviks were not even close in all of this; they sat quietly like mice until the age of 17, who are in exile, who are in exile. Lenin literally back in December 1916 in one of his letters that the current generation of revolutionaries most likely would not have to see a revolution in Russia.
          So the act of national betrayal was committed by democrats and liberals, which then, at 17, which in our time, in '91, does not need to shift the blame from a sick mind to a healthy one.
  11. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 1 August 2016 09: 03
    +6
    Kingdom of Heaven to fallen Russian soldiers !!! May God avenge their blood !!!


    Last year, there were 2 articles on the site about the tragic fate of the Russian vion who died in this war. Today, no matter how I searched, I could not find it. Maybe someone knows where?
  12. tatra
    tatra 1 August 2016 09: 13
    -7
    Nicholas II pulled Russia into World War I not for the interests of Russia, but for the interests of Serbia and France.
    And the enemies of the Communists defend and justify him, because it is FAVORABLE for them in their anti-Soviet propaganda.
    According to the book "RUSSIA AND THE USSR IN WARS OF THE XX CENTURY" published under the editorship of G.F. Krivosheev, the irrecoverable losses of Russia - 2254,4 thousand people, sanitary losses - 3749,0 thousand people. and the loss of prisoners - 3343,9 thousand people.
    Civilians of the Russian Empire perished from military operations 340, hunger and disease 000.
    1. Aleksander
      Aleksander 1 August 2016 11: 47
      +3
      Quote: tatra
      "RUSSIA AND THE USSR IN THE WARS OF THE XX CENTURY" published under the editorship of G.F. Krivosheev, the irrecoverable losses of Russia - 2254,4 Thousand man.,

      A shameful page in the author’s research, although for WWII he calculated the real numbers. Krivosheev took as a basis for PMV figure Urlanisa, owls "scientist", who counted the losses of the Russian Army not according to reports, summaries, reports (as expected), but on the basis of his "deep" idea that the ratio of losses of the Russian Army to the losses of the German on the Eastern Front ....Can not be less than the French to the Germans on the Western Front. And, without hesitation, he increased the existing real "small" (in his opinion) figure of Russian losses... twice ! Full t, k and n. Such is the owl. "statistics"
      1. Alexey T. (Oper)
        Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 11: 50
        +1
        Quote: Aleksander
        Shameful page in the author’s research,

        Today, the study of Krivosheev among professional historians is considered the most complete and objective study of the losses of the Russian army in the twentieth century.
        1. Aleksander
          Aleksander 1 August 2016 12: 56
          +1
          Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
          Quote: Aleksander
          Shameful page in the author’s research,

          Today, the study of Krivosheev among professional historians is considered the most complete and objective study of the losses of the Russian army in the twentieth century.


          For WWII yes, for WWII-nonsense indicated-cannot be sucked out of the finger "thought" to be the basis for increasing the loss in TWICE!
          1. Alexey T. (Oper)
            Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 13: 18
            +1
            Quote: Aleksander
            According to WWII, yes, according to WWII, nonsense is indicated, it cannot be a "thought" sucked from the finger

            Once again, for those who are especially dull: the whole work of the team led by Krivosheev today among professional historians (not couch talkers, but professionals who understand how and by what methods such surveys are conducted) is considered the most comprehensive and objective study of the losses of the Russian army in the 20th century.

            And you can slap your ears on the cheeks as much as you like, trying to prove that black is soft ..
            1. Aleksander
              Aleksander 1 August 2016 23: 11
              -1
              Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
              Once again, for those who are especially dull: the whole work of the team led by Krivosheev today among professional historians (not couch talkers, but professionals who understand how and by what methods such surveys are conducted) is considered the most comprehensive and objective study of the losses of the Russian army in the 20th century.


              On a SPECIFIC objection, stupid blah blah, as expected.
              Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
              you can slap your ears on the cheeks as much as you like, trying to prove that black is soft ..


              So your cheeks are already crimson.
              1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 10: 20
                0
                Quote: Aleksander
                On a SPECIFIC objection, stupid blah blah, as expected.

                You call outspoken demagoguery a "concrete" objection, and you still hope that I will expose any unfounded chatter with references and quotations? You are a naive person, with a very high and absolutely unfounded conceit. laughing
                1. Aleksander
                  Aleksander 2 August 2016 14: 21
                  -1
                  Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
                  You call outspoken demagoguery a "concrete" objection, and even hope what will I expose all unsubstantiated chatter with links and quotes? You are a naive person, with a very high and absolutely unreasonable conceit


                  I don’t hope, of course: a comedian is blown away.
                  1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                    Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 14: 43
                    0
                    Quote: Aleksander
                    I don’t hope, of course: a comedian is blown away.

                    To summarize: the liberodrist essentially has nothing to answer. He cannot confirm his accusations against Krivosheev. Therefore, trying to translate the conversation into srach.
      2. Akselruur
        Akselruur 1 August 2016 12: 34
        +1
        Quote: Aleksander
        on reports, summaries, reports

        In your opinion, reports, summaries and reports are quite objective and not otherwise.
  13. Gardamir
    Gardamir 1 August 2016 09: 42
    +3
    Why is the article a minus? Yes, we just remember less and less about the Great Patriotic War. Just the other day, we washed Mannerheim. And the Great Patriotic War is for some reason not in red but in black and yellow.
    And let's get a memory day for every war that Russia led!
  14. Kim Klimov
    Kim Klimov 1 August 2016 09: 47
    +7
    Eternal memory to our ancestors!
  15. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 1 August 2016 10: 28
    +12
    The article is good, but not without flaws. And reading the comments on the article, I never cease to be surprised how many myths about this war still exist in the public consciousness. So, in order:
    1. Losses of the Russian army according to the statistics of the General Staff on January 1, 1917 - 611 thousand officers and lower ranks. There were about two million prisoners, so many Austrians, Germans and Turks were captured by Russian troops.
    2. Russia was brought to the Entente not by "debts to the imperialists", but by an objective geopolitical reality - the strengthening of the German Empire, which viewed Russia as one of its competitors. Yes, the concept of "Lebehsraum" was invented even before the Nazi maniacs - during the war, the Germans openly expressed their claims to occupy Poland, the Baltic states and Ukraine. Naturally, Petersburg could not look at this with indifference and began to look for allies in case of war.
    3. Russia's entry into the war was caused by the threat of an Austrian attack on Serbia, with which Russia was bound by allied commitments. Failure to do so made the country an outcast on the international stage. In response to Russia's mobilization against Austria, Germany announces her mobilization, while simultaneously demanding an end to Russian mobilization. It goes without saying that the Emperor refuses to fulfill this requirement - which normal ruler will leave his country defenseless under the threat of attack?
    4. The war began on July 28 with the Austrian attack on Serbia. On August 1, Germany declares war on Russia. August 3 Germany declares war on France. Where is "Russia's involvement in the war for French interests" here? At this point, the French were more likely to fall under the influence of the Kaiser's plans along with us.
    PS I would like to note that it is high time for domestic history to get rid of the myths hung on it by both the Bolsheviks and the liberals. And in honor of the memorable date I’ll say: eternal memory and eternal glory to the generals, officers and lower ranks of the Second World War!
    1. tiaman.76
      tiaman.76 1 August 2016 11: 21
      -1
      well, of course, and to fight for a prostitute, England, so we should have ... which in the Russo-Japanese almost war we wanted to declare ... this is only England and it was profitable for our participation in this massacre that our guys fought for their colony ... in principle and the war was for the redistribution of the colonies, the German would not have climbed on us if we had declared neutrality. And then the Austrians, under the strict guidance of the Kaiser, would not have climbed the Balkans .. the Baltic states? heh, what is the Baltic, what is there to take, they shared Africa with huge natural resources and part of Asia ... Petersburg could not look indifferently ?? .. yes there were in St. Petersburg those who wanted to blurt out their weapons who brought the country almost to collapse and England raked the heat with our hands ... and what pancake obligations to the Saxons we must respect !!! to them on these Saxons
    2. Alexey T. (Oper)
      Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 11: 36
      +1
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      Losses of the Russian army according to the statistics of the General Staff at 1 January 1917 years - 611 thousand officers and lower ranks.

      This only says that the RIA was absolutely ugly set up loss accounting. Since their value among different researchers floats more than twice. For example, the same Krivosheev, whose statistical study of Russia's losses in the wars of the twentieth century is today considered the most complete and professional, gives the number of irretrievable losses (killed, died from wounds, illnesses, from gas poisoning, accidents and died from the number of missing ) in 2 million. 254,4 thousand people.
      1. Lieutenant Teterin
        Lieutenant Teterin 1 August 2016 14: 01
        +6
        Dear Alexei, as already noted in the comments today, Krivosheev's research on the First World War cannot be considered reliable, since his work relies on Urlanis's "research". "He managed to achieve the greatest reliability in calculating the losses of the Russian army in the First World War, so our research in this area is based mainly on the statistics of B. Ts. Urlanis." - This is a direct quote from the work of Krivosheev. The word of research that I used in relation to Urlanis's work was put in quotation marks, since the author very freely approached the work with statistical data. So, for example, he extrapolates the number of average monthly losses for whole 1915 for the second half of 1914, not taking into account the factor that the 1915 campaign was more difficult than 1914. And it is in this vein that the entire "study" of Urlanis is sustained, which makes it possible to consider the data of both Urlanis' and Krivosheev's works as unreliable.
        1. Alexey T. (Oper)
          Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 14: 51
          +1
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          Krivosheev's research on the First World War cannot be considered reliable, since his work is based on the "research" of Urlanis.

          In his work, he relies not only on Urlanis, but also on the CSB, and on Golovin. T
          So all allegations of unreliability are nonsense.
          1. Lieutenant Teterin
            Lieutenant Teterin 1 August 2016 16: 15
            +5
            Regarding the reliability of the CSB, I agree with you, but the point is that the data of the CSB Krivosheev, using Urlanis's methods, allows himself to double without relying on any factual material. As for Golovin's work, the author wrote it in exile, without having access to the archives, and the reference point in his calculations was VG Abramov's work "Victims of the imperialist war in Russia", published in 1924 in the RSFSR, in which, by the way, the death toll was determined as 664,800. Golovin, however, considered this figure unreliable and made his own calculation based on the ratio of wounded and killed in the French army and on the number of wounded that Golovin increased by 10%, given in Abramov's work. At the same time, Golovin did not take into account the fact that there was no positional meat grinder on the Eastern Front, which was on the Western front, and, as a result, did not take into account that the ratio of killed and wounded could be different for the Russian army.
            1. Alexey T. (Oper)
              Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 16: 38
              +1
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Regarding the reliability of the CSB I agree with you, but the point is that the data of the CSB Krivosheev, using the methods of Urlanis, allows himself to double without relying on any actual material.

              "... in the last of the mentioned sources (CSB publication) (Russia in the World War 1914-1918 (in numbers). M., 1925. - Alexey T. (Opera)) all data on the losses of the Russian army were underestimated against their actual number by 1,92 times. The specified "multiplicity factor" was obtained by us as a result of mathematical comparison of the final (base) figure killed Russian soldiers and officers for the entire period of the war - 1 200 000 people (calculated by B.Ts. Urlanis and N.N. Golovin) with a similar figure in the publication of the CSB - 626 440 people. (1 200 000: 626 440 = 1,92)."

              http://lib.ru/MEMUARY/1939-1945/KRIWOSHEEW/poteri.txt#w02.htm-009

              So your claims are at least not correct. You just need to carefully read the presented studies, and not with foam at the mouth, try to refute it, without even trying to figure out the essence, just because, in your deep opinion, the written well can in no way be true.
            2. Alexey T. (Oper)
              Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 16: 45
              +1
              Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
              but the point here is that the data of the TsSU Krivosheev, using the methods of Urlanis, allows himself to double without relying on any actual material.

              There is one more twinkle here, which, if one accepts the level of losses so hotly kept by fans to crunch the French bun, does not paint the Russian army of the First World War.

              It turns out that having lost less than 1% of the number drafted during the war years killed, the army was unable to continue conducting hostilities.

              Those. the level of patriotism of Russian soldiers of that period was at an infinitely lower level than the level of patriotism of Soviet people during the Second World War.

              Such a conclusion suggests itself. hi
              1. Lieutenant Teterin
                Lieutenant Teterin 1 August 2016 18: 06
                +6
                Alexey, forgive me my perseverance, but here again I can’t agree with you, just as I can’t decisively understand why you are making a conclusion about the army’s inability to conduct military operations. The historian Sergei Vasilievich Volkov on the basis of data from the letters of soldiers and non-commissioned officers at the front cites the following figures: from 83% in January 1917 to 87% in early February 1917 were written in a positive way - the army was ready to fight, defeatist moods were in the minority. I personally trust Volkov’s data, since this is a person who has been studying the history of the officer corps of the First World War and the Civil War for 30 years of his life, several hundred thousand short biographies were recreated by his efforts. As for the quote you quoted from the German General Staff, I can say that mistakes in evaluating the Russians are a chronic disease of the German staff: in World War I they expected Russian mobilization to drag on for more than a month, and we managed in two weeks; before the Great Patriotic War, the Germans expected to reach the Urals 3 months later ... and, I believe, it is not worth reminding what the result was.
                PS Regarding the Bosphorus operation, Russia had forces to carry it out. For this purpose, in Odessa, at the end of 1916, a separate Black Sea Naval Division was formed, and its formation is also known from the protocols of interrogation of Admiral Kolchak in 1920. And Kolchak himself was the commander of the Black Sea Fleet in 1916-17. The southern direction itself was quite reliably covered by the Romanian front, it remained relatively stable even in the revolutionary chaos of spring - summer 1917. So Nicholas II acted quite reasonably and reasonably, especially since he had received more than worthy education at the time.
                1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                  Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 18: 47
                  +1
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  on the basis of which you draw a conclusion about the inability of the army to conduct hostilities.

                  Based on the fact that the army after February 1917, it was worth weakening the authorities, just ran home. Do you know the good reasons.

                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  The historian Sergei Vasilievich Volkov on the basis of data from the letters of soldiers and non-commissioned officers at the front cites the following figures: from 83% in January 1917 to 87% in early February 1917 were written in a positive way - the army was ready to fight, defeatist moods were in the minority.
                  Yeah. This of course is a very, very serious argument - letters home. True, unless you take into account the presence of military censorship, which very carefully monitored the content of these letters. And all the servicemen knew about this, so they did not chat too much.

                  But the facts of the soldiers' real behavior at the front speaks of the inability of the army to fight. Already in the winter of the 1917 of the year (that is, even before the tsar’s abdication), the infantry often fired at their SAME artillery so that they would not shoot at the Germans and not cause their return fire. And the soldiers' riots, with the refusal to go on the attack, then became a sign of the times.

                  Moreover, already in November 1914 of the year (i.e., just THREE months after the outbreak of the war!), The tsarist government imposed severe penalties for various kinds of gunshots, the number of which exceeded all reasonable limits.



                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  As for the quote you quoted from the German General Staff, I can say that mistakes in evaluating the Russians are a chronic disease of German staff:

                  So there was no mistake. the Germans as they began to fight against us with minor divisions and militias, so did the war and ended with the same troops. And their personnel army and dvizii of the first stage fought on the Western Front.

                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  Regarding the Bosphorus operation, Russia had forces to carry it out.
                  Did not have. One division to capture the straits is not serious.


                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  The southern direction itself was quite reliably covered by the Romanian front; it remained relatively stable even in the revolutionary chaos of spring - summer of 1917.
                  To organize the Southern Front, troops were pulled from the rest of the theaters. Those. in the fall of 1916, the Russian command had to patch up the "Trishkin caftan", removing units from other fronts and thereby weakening them.

                  At the same time, only an openly stupid dreamer and ignoramus in military affairs could only dream of conducting a landing in the straits (i.e., opening another theater of operations).

                  What was Nikolashka the Bloody, all of whose participation in the leadership of the army was limited to the violent destruction of alcohol stocks far from the eyes of his hysterical wife and the reduction in the number of Mogilev crows, dogs and cats. Moreover, in awarding himself with military orders for the fact that he waved his hand to soldiers at the parade.
  16. tiaman.76
    tiaman.76 1 August 2016 10: 55
    +2
    what war wouldn’t be, but we honor the memory of the dead Russian soldier .. it’s a pity that so many heroes died in vain in a war that no one needs .. of course the councils are wrong, of course, that they demolished the monuments to Russian soldiers who fell in the world meat grinder
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 1 August 2016 11: 14
      +4
      .. of course the tips are wrong
      but the current government is right for honoring the hero of that war of Mannerheim.
      There are no brains to buy, all these honors of that war were created in order to talk less about the Great Patriotic War.
      1. tiaman.76
        tiaman.76 1 August 2016 11: 38
        0
        I am against this .. I didn’t have to interfere with one another .. Mannerheim later turned out to be an aggressor .. Ally of the nats of Germany and of course there are no monuments in his honor ... I meant the memory of RUSSIAN soldiers fallen in the fields of the first world
  17. Alexey T. (Oper)
    Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 11: 12
    +1
    Quote: Mahmut
    Germany declared war on Russia. What are the claims against Nicholas II.

    Yeah. But Nicholas the Bloody is so peaceful, there was a direct lamb of God, neither give nor take. At the very snout in the fluff was on the very beard.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 1 August 2016 11: 29
      +6
      Nicholas II was not what you called him, what a manner of speaking so. Why is Napoleon not called "Bonapartishka"?, Although he had a snout in the fluff ...
      1. Alexey T. (Oper)
        Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 11: 43
        +1
        Quote: bober1982
        Nicholas II was not what you called him, what a manner to say so

        It was. Compared to all previous reigns, he was a bloody mediocrity on the throne, pouring half the country with the blood of his subjects.

        It is no coincidence that it was not called by the Bolsheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries, but by the Cadets, that is, members of the party, which stood on the right positions of the constitutional monarchy.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 1 August 2016 12: 01
          +2
          The Cadets were a liberal scum, so they called him that, they did not have any monarchical positions (including the constitutional monarchy)
          All discussions on the topic ..he was a bloody mediocrity on the throne ...., you didn’t come up with, the authorship of such words belongs to the so-called liberals (as this audience is called here) of those years - that is, haters of everything Russian and Orthodox.
          1. Alexey T. (Oper)
            Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 12: 16
            +1
            Quote: bober1982
            The Cadets were a liberal scum, so they called him that, they did not have any monarchical positions (including the constitutional monarchy)

            Is it not destiny to read the program of the "Constitutional Democrats" party? Buckaff a lot? laughing
            1. Akselruur
              Akselruur 1 August 2016 12: 30
              -3
              Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
              Bukaff a lot?

              Orthodox read only the bible
              1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 12: 34
                +1
                Quote: AkselRuur

                Orthodox read only the bible

                If. 99,9% of those who fervently baptize their foreheads and shout, enter, classifying themselves as Orthodox Christians, the Bible has never really been opened. wink
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 1 August 2016 13: 05
                  +2
                  99,9% of those ....
                  Accuracy is commendable, they themselves counted? or from wikipedia?
                  1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                    Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 13: 20
                    +1
                    Quote: bober1982
                    99,9% of those ....
                    Accuracy is commendable, they themselves counted? or from wikipedia?

                    From personal experience. How much he debated with religious fanatics, he was constantly convinced that they did not see the main programmatic work of their church.
                    1. bober1982
                      bober1982 1 August 2016 14: 49
                      +2
                      The church does not recommend discussing with non-religious fanatics - immediately stop talking, as they say - my respect to you. But only not in cases where they offend.
                      1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                        Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 14: 57
                        -2
                        Quote: bober1982
                        The church does not recommend discussing with non-religious fanatics

                        It goes without saying that all such discussions are obviously doomed to fail. Therefore, she recommends immediately reporting them to the authorities, followed by criminal prosecution under the article "Insulting believers."
                      2. bober1982
                        bober1982 1 August 2016 15: 04
                        0
                        Your fantasy is, of course, highly developed.
              2. bober1982
                bober1982 1 August 2016 12: 43
                +3
                The Soviet aircraft designer Polikarpov was a deeply religious person, this is just one example.
                Such an episode is well known, Stalin asks Polikarpov:
                - Do you know what we have in common?
                - No, I do not know
                - We studied at the seminary together
                “Do you know what distinguishes us?”
                - No, I do not know.
                “You finished it, but I didn't.”
                - It is visible, Comrade Stalin
  18. Cat
    Cat 1 August 2016 11: 29
    +2
    I will give an example from the diary of Nicholas 2, in 2016, when examining the first-class Austro-Hungarian fortress Przemysl. Nicholas in his diary does not write about the feat of the Russian soldier or the technical innovations of the fortress. I quote from memory: a dear friend dug with a bayonet flower. And this is the emperor of the Russian Empire.
    I have no desire to argue whether he was a good family man or a bad military leader. But I cannot represent Peter the Great as the author of these lines.
    Better king a carpenter than? I feel sorry for the empire.
  19. tatra
    tatra 1 August 2016 11: 30
    -3
    Nicholas II plunged Russia and the Russian people into an unnecessary war, in which he killed 3 million of his subjects, surrendered the Russian territories to the Germans - occupied by the Germans on the day of the abdication of the Russian Emperor - 02.03.1917/0,3/23,2 - and the actually lost Russian lands had an area of ​​1914 million sq. km with a population of 80 million people (in XNUMX), then he abandoned the country and the people - let others disentangle what he had done, and the Russian enemies of the Communists, starting with Gorbachev, have been praising him in every possible way since the late XNUMXs, declared "Holy", and stubbornly insist that the Bolsheviks were OBLIGED to continue the war, that is, to fulfill the obligations of Nicholas II to France and Serbia.
    Theater of the Absurd.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 1 August 2016 11: 44
      +3
      You have too often in the comments enemies of the communists
      The real theater of the absurd.
      1. tatra
        tatra 1 August 2016 12: 08
        0
        The enemies of the Communists love to discuss everything that the Communists and their supporters did, how they worked and fought, and really do not like it when they discuss you.
        And God forbid, begin to criticize you, immediately hysteria begins.
        1. Akselruur
          Akselruur 1 August 2016 17: 03
          -3
          Quote: tatra
          immediately the hysteria begins.

          gentlemen have always been nervous
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 1 August 2016 20: 11
            -2
            gentlemen have always been nervous
            1. Alexey T. (Oper)
              Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 20: 24
              0
              Quote: bober1982
              gentlemen have always been nervous

              So here you are, bober1982 tongue
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 1 August 2016 20: 29
                -2
                Well, you as a child, with this grimacing face, all the best to you, Lyoshenka
                1. Alexey T. (Oper)
                  Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 20: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: bober1982
                  Well, you are like a child with this grimacing mug,

                  But you are with the portrait of Polygraph Polygraphych, who, by the way, despite all the shortcomings of his upbringing, was a very talented person (not every dog ​​will be able to independently learn to read on street signs), just like an adult. laughing

                  Quote: bober1982
                  all the best to you, Lyoshenka

                  And you do not get sick, you are our disease ...
                  1. bober1982
                    bober1982 1 August 2016 20: 43
                    0
                    Thank you for your kind words, and you do not get sick.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 1 August 2016 11: 55
      +2
      There are many contradictions in this situation. If Russia continued the war, it would receive payments from the defeated, as the countries that supported it. But it turned out that having endured hardships, having lost people, Russia lost territories and did not receive payments. I read that these are significant sums.
      ABM of the Bolsheviks. All the time, perplexity ---- campaigned during the war ---- against this very war. ????? !!!!
      And if during the Second World War. such agitation? Or other wars of the twentieth century?
      Some of my ancestors from the poorest peasants went to the revolution. I don’t know about any ancestors. I can’t be evil at all communists.
      And I hate corncob, humpbacked and drunk.
      And I condemn the fact that the Soviet government hid the details and PM HEROES, but this is obtained from the stories of those close to me really.
      1. Cat
        Cat 1 August 2016 12: 00
        +1
        In all comments, this is the core and can be traced if the country's leadership was not sure of victory and did not have the strength and ability to bring everything to its logical conclusion. So why get involved in this massacre.
        Oh, Stolypin would have lived another five years. Eh.
        1. Akselruur
          Akselruur 1 August 2016 12: 23
          -1
          Quote: Kotischa
          Oh, Stolypin would have lived another five years. Eh.

          it would not be better for the people
          1. tatra
            tatra 1 August 2016 12: 33
            +1
            Quote: AkselRuur
            it would not be better for the people

            Stolypin is another figure "inflated" by the enemies of the communists for the sake of profit in their anti-Soviet propaganda.
            But Stolypin carried out large-scale political repressions for that time, executions, and did what the Communists did before him and after him — the resettlement of people from the center of the country to the outskirts for their development.
        2. Alexey T. (Oper)
          Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 12: 41
          +4
          Quote: Kotischa
          Oh, Stolypin would have lived another five years. Eh.

          Stolypin can be safely considered one of the fathers of the Russian revolution of the 1917 of the year.
          Since it was his absolutely ill-conceived, contrary to the cultural traditions of the Russian peasantry, agrarian reform significantly strengthened the existing contradictions in Russian society, reducing them to a situation that had no other choice but the revolution.
      2. Alexey T. (Oper)
        Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 12: 20
        +4
        Quote: Reptiloid
        .If Russia continued the war, it would receive payments from the defeated, as the countries that supported it.

        Yeah, keep your pocket wider.

        If the Russians continued the war, then in a couple of months, it would cease to exist as a sovereign state.
        Since the super-duper "professional" tsarist generals and the interim capitalist ministers who replaced the tsar brought the country and the army to such a state that in mid-October 1917, the Minister of War of the Provisional Government, Major General of the General Staff A.I. Verkhovsky spoke at the meeting demanding the immediate conclusion of a separate peace, knowing full well that the slightest delay in this matter would only mean a quick and complete unconditional collapse of the state.
      3. Akselruur
        Akselruur 1 August 2016 12: 27
        -2
        Quote: Reptiloid
        There are many contradictions in this situation. If Russia continued the war, it would receive payments from the defeated, as the countries that supported it. But it turned out that having endured hardships, having lost people, Russia lost territories and did not receive payments. I read that these are significant amounts .

        For particularly smart, I explain. If Russia miraculously ended up in the camp of the victorious countries of Germany, and even if it weren’t paid ... with the payment of indemnity (because in this case its share could be used to pay off tsar’s debts), in 1941 German troops would have easily reached to the Urals, and even then Russia would definitely cease to exist as a geopolitical reality.
      4. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 1 August 2016 12: 39
        +2
        But the current government wants to erase everything that is Soviet or pretends that it wants to. "Confusion and vacillation," those. again the line of succession is broken.
      5. Akselruur
        Akselruur 1 August 2016 17: 00
        -2
        Quote: Reptiloid
        ABM of the Bolsheviks. All the time, perplexity ---- campaigned during the war ---- against this very war. ????? !!!!

        Especially for the reptilian squad I explain. Wars are divided into unjust ones, those that are waged by the exploiting classes to conquer their favorite all kinds of "nishtyaks" - land, slaves, gold, oil, the Bosphorus straits. And the war is fair, because national liberation and wars to defend the gains of the socialist revolution, under the leadership of the communist party. So, the Bolsheviks conducted explanatory work in whose interests this war was being fought (see above), and therefore it is not just and it must be stopped by the peoples of all countries participating in it without annexations and indemnities. Continuation of the war in this case is a betrayal of the real interests of the people of Russia. The war that the USSR waged in 1941 is a just war, because it was fought in defense of the achievements of the socialist revolution, for the independence of the world's first state of workers and peasants, a country where the exploitation of man by man did not cease to exist, for the progressive development of mankind as a whole. Therefore, the agitation against the USSR waging war with fascist Germany was a betrayal of the fundamental interests of the working people inhabiting the country. In order not to be a rep.tiloid, study Marxism.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 1 August 2016 19: 29
          0
          I came here for knowledge and I find it here gradually.
          I won’t study Marxism --- you cannot embrace the immense, and the generation is different, apparently, than with you. And where have you studied and in what volume
          It's time to sober up. You yourself can’t, so medically, or in the hospital.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 1 August 2016 19: 53
            0
            If you refer to Marxism, then specify the author and work. In general, the discipline was called Marxism-Leninism. it included works by both founders and later authors, unknown to me. It was this discipline that my grandfather taught at the Military Academies. Leningrad. I regret that he passed away a long time ago, otherwise I would explain what and how
            1. Akselruur
              Akselruur 1 August 2016 22: 02
              +1
              Quote: Reptiloid
              I would explain what and how

              Well, yes, I think he would have nice for you to put your brains in place and knock out petty-bourgeois crap out of them!
              1. EvgNik
                EvgNik 2 August 2016 09: 47
                0
                Quote: AkselRuur
                Well, yes, I think he would have nice for you to put your brains in place and knock out petty-bourgeois crap out of them!

                Dmitry has brains in place, unlike you. Rudeness and insults are not welcome. Apparently, it’s precisely because of rudeness that your cons are flying, despite generally interesting comments.
    3. Akselruur
      Akselruur 1 August 2016 12: 29
      0
      Quote: tatra
      then threw the country

      I specify, he did not leave the country, he was asked to leave as unnecessary.
      1. tatra
        tatra 1 August 2016 12: 47
        +3
        More from the memoirs of Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich:
        About renunciation:
        The sovereign was left alone with his mother for two hours. The Dowager Empress never told me what they were talking about.
        When they called me to them, Maria Fyodorovna sat and cried soberly, but he stood motionless, looking at his feet and, of course, smoked. We hugged. I did not know what to render him. His calm testified to the fact that he firmly believed in the correctness of the decision he made, although he reproached his brother Mikhail Alexandrovich for having left Russia without the Emperor with his abdication.
        “Misha, you shouldn't have done this,” he finished instructively. “I wonder who gave him such strange advice.”
        This remark came from a man who had just given up the sixth part of the universe to a handful of undisciplined soldiers and workers on strike, which made me speechless. After an awkward pause, he began to explain the reasons for his decision. The main ones were:
        1) The desire to avoid civil strife in Russia.
        2) Desire to keep the army aside from politics so that it can continue to do business with the allies, and
        3) The belief that the Provisional Government will rule Russia more successfully than he.
        1. Cat
          Cat 1 August 2016 13: 36
          0
          It is unfortunate that 1, 2 and 3 failed.
    4. Lieutenant Teterin
      Lieutenant Teterin 1 August 2016 14: 06
      +4
      Quote: tatra
      had an area of ​​0,3 million square kilometers with a population of 23,2 million people
      .
      Regarding the territories occupied by the Germans - before criticizing Nicholas II and the leadership of the imperial army - please recall what territory the Nazis occupied by the end of 1942 and how these geeks acted with our people in the occupied territory ...
      1. Alexey T. (Oper)
        Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 14: 54
        +2
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        before criticizing Nicholas II and the leadership of the imperial army - please recall what territory the Nazis occupied by the end of the 1942 year

        Before defending the bloody crowned mediocrity, remember that the entire PMV Russian personnel army fought with minor German divisions, a third consisting of militias. And at the same time she managed not to win a single offensive strategic operation against them during the whole war.

        Whereas in the 1941 and 1942 years, the Soviet army fought alone against the forces of a united Europe.

        So such comparisons of an accusatory nature are at least incorrect.
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 1 August 2016 16: 01
          +6
          Regarding the personnel, all the opposing sides suffered serious losses in personnel units - Germany, France, Russia, Austria-Hungary, Britain, so that as of 1915, militias were in all the armies in considerable numbers. And we fought, by the way, not only and not so much with the German Landwehr, but with combat units - the Germans rarely deployed the Landwehr to reinforce the Austrians. In order not to be unfounded, let me remind you that in 1916, during the Brusilov breakthrough, the German Steel Division, which was not formed from the militia, was defeated by the 4th Infantry Division under the command of Denikin, which, in turn, by 1916 was fairly replenished reservists. As for your characterization of Nicholas II ... I will remind you that the Great Retreat of 1915 ended after the Emperor personally assumed the Supreme High Command. And Nicholas II also insisted on holding the Bosphorus landing operation in April 1917. Had this operation been implemented, Germany and Austria-Hungary would have serious problems with food, and as a result, with the possibility of further warfare. Agree, such actions bear little resemblance to the activity of "mediocrity".

          Whereas in the 1941 and 1942 years, the Soviet army fought alone against the forces of a united Europe.
          Let me ask a counter question - why on the morning of June 22, 1941, we were left against the "united Europe"? Why didn't the USSR come to the aid of France in May 1940? Did the Soviet leadership really not know how the maniac Hitler spoke about the USSR in his schizophrenic book "My Struggle" (which was translated by Zinoviev back in 1933)?
          1. Alexey T. (Oper)
            Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 16: 58
            +3
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            Why did the USSR not come to the aid of France in May 1940?

            Because there was no fool to get into a fight for those who, with their own hands, rejected all our offers of help, made long before the guns began to shoot.
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            And we fought, by the way, not only and not so much with the German landver as with the combat units - the Germans rarely transferred the landver to strengthen the Austrians.
            And where does the Austrian help at all? Who ever wrote about her?

            It was specifically written to you that the Germans put up second-division divisions and a militia (landver and lansturm) against us.

            Moreover, the Germans were so dismissive of our army that as far back as 1913 in the report of the German General Staff it was noted: “In the fight against Russian troops, we will be able to afford actions that we would not dare with an equal enemy ..."Which fully confirmed the course of hostilities.
          2. Alexey T. (Oper)
            Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 17: 03
            +2
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            And Nicholas II also insisted on carrying out the Bosphorus landing operation in April 1917. If this operation is implemented,

            What once again demonstrated that in military affairs was an outspoken fool.

            What kind of landings in the Bosphorus could have been dreamed of when, after the defeat of the Romanian army, which entered the war under the impression of the Brusilov breakthrough, Russia's strategic position became simply catastrophic, because the Germans and their allies, the Bulgarians, got a direct route to the most important economic regions of Russia - to southern Ukraine and the Black Sea coast? And in order to cover up this new strategic direction, did you have to pull troops from the rest of the front?
          3. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian 2 August 2016 00: 52
            -3
            schizophrenic book "My Struggle"
            How many times was the USSR mentioned in this rather bold tome?
      2. Akselruur
        Akselruur 1 August 2016 16: 41
        -3
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        remember please

        Good lord, do not teach us. We remember the story well.
      3. tatra
        tatra 1 August 2016 20: 37
        +1
        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
        please remember what territory the Nazis occupied by the end of 1942

        But I don’t remember something that a coalition from 1914 countries of the world would attack the Russian Empire in 14.
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 2 August 2016 08: 51
          +5
          Yes, in 1941 the number of countries that declared war on the USSR was greater, but to put it mildly ... The vast majority of these 14 countries participated in the aggression nominally, limiting themselves to the sending of one or two divisions, like Spain. Significant military contingents to the Nazis provided only Romania, Italy and Hungary.
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  21. Akselruur
    Akselruur 1 August 2016 12: 20
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    Something on this thread, the monarchists have activated angry
    1. Alexey T. (Oper)
      Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 12: 24
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      Quote: AkselRuur
      Something on this thread, the monarchists have activated angry

      Well, they hooked on a living one. For 25 years they all crunched everyone’s ears with a French bun about the governor’s balls, but in fact it turns out that all their efforts were in vain and the whole steam went to hoot - more than half of the Russian population was literate and able to independently figure out historical issues, dotting and to each according to his merits.

      So they rage about the realization of this truth.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 1 August 2016 13: 32
        +2
        One woman, about whom it is known that her ancestors were ordinary middle peasants, a few years later she began to say that her ancestors were merchants, and a few years later she secretly mysteriously reported that her ancestors were noble, noble blood. what her ancestors will become in a few more years !!!
        1. Alexey T. (Oper)
          Alexey T. (Oper) 1 August 2016 13: 40
          +1
          Quote: Reptiloid
          It’s even scary to think what her ancestors will become in a few more years !!!

          My father, in part, also had an officer who thought everyone that he was one of noble. So far, it has not been documented that his ancestors were domestic servants (not even serfs, namely servants). After that, he shut up and no longer supported conversations on this topic.
          But what songs about his family he sang before, straight "cornet Obolensky-lieutenant Golitsyn" laughing
          1. tatra
            tatra 1 August 2016 13: 50
            +2
            Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
            My father, in part, also had an officer who thought everyone that he was one of noble.

            All this is a consequence of the quality of mentality of the enemies of the Communists in the USSR — megalomania as a consequence of the inferiority complex.
            They really want to present themselves better than others, but there is NOTHING, so they try to, at the expense of lies, slander, insults, humiliation of others, to create the illusion that they themselves are better than others, and "inflate" themselves for significance "yes we are from the pre-revolutionary gene pool and color nation "," yes we are so effective, creative, successful and successful, thinking and decent. "
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      3. Aleksander
        Aleksander 1 August 2016 23: 27
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        Quote: Alexey T. (Opera)
        . For 25 years they all crunched everyone’s ears with a French bun about the governor’s balls, but in fact it turns out that all their efforts were in vain and the whole steam went to hoot - more than half of the Russian population was competent and able to independently figure out history issues, dotting and to each according to his merits.


        Yes these relics of a comedian are funny managed to get their way under their ABSOLUTE power in ALL history, ideology, school, etc. for 70 years

        It seems to them that they are formidable, and all make fun of them, disappearing FOREVER
        1. Parsec
          Parsec 1 August 2016 23: 38
          +3
          Quote: Aleksander
          Yes, these relics of a comedian are ridiculous, who managed to make their way under their ABSOLUTE power in ALL history, ideology, school, etc. for 70 years


          Let's laugh together at the autocracy after more than 300 years of absolute domination in Russia. And it all ended like this prosaic: a piece of paper with obscure text, a pencil and no print ...

          And after all, the monarchs in 1815 concluded the Holy Union of Emperors, proclaiming mutual assistance in preserving the monarchies as the main element of the policy of the powers ...
          1. Aleksander
            Aleksander 2 August 2016 09: 37
            -2
            Quote: Parsec
            Let's laugh together at the autocracy after more than 300 years of absolute domination in Russia. And it all ended like this prosaic: a piece of paper with obscure text, a pencil and no print ...


            Look out the window: all continues as a hundred years ago, as it was a thousand years, with a small 70 summer comm. a break ending in a quiet but smelly bunch.
        2. Alexey T. (Oper)
          Alexey T. (Oper) 2 August 2016 10: 31
          +3
          Quote: Aleksander
          Yes, these relics of a comedian are ridiculous, who managed to make their way under their ABSOLUTE power in ALL history, ideology, school, etc. for 70 years

          Only an entity who has never lived in the USSR can write about the absolute power of the Communists. He simply does not know that Soviet power was based not on the Communists, but on the union of communists and non-partisans.

          And non-partisans played a role in the life of Soviet society, no less important than the Communists. After all, it was not only the Communists who drafted and approved the laws by which Soviet society lived, wrote textbooks for schools, including history, not only the Communists staged performances, made films, wrote books, and articles that determined the ideology of Soviet society. engaged in what is called the management of the life of society and the state.

          Quote: Aleksander
          It seems to them that they are formidable, and all make fun of them, disappearing FOREVER

          Another blue dream of a liberalist. Only he is not able to understand (there is not enough brain OP, or what they think there) that the idea of ​​a society of justice (communism) exists and will exist as long as reasonable humanity exists. laughing
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 2 August 2016 12: 25
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            Quote: Alexey T.

            And non-partisans played a role in the life of Soviet society, no less important than the Communists. After all, it was not only the Communists who drafted and approved the laws by which Soviet society lived, wrote textbooks for schools, including history, not only the Communists staged performances, made films, wrote books, and articles that determined the ideology of Soviet society. engaged in what is called the management of the life of society and the state. [/ quote


            At one time, I was very interested in this, even before registering for the Higher Military School. Many of the research associates and scientists were non-partisan.
            Just they wrote a lot of technical textbooks.

            And Socialism will come to Russia anyway, because capitalism began to "sprout" in the USSR after the War. People gradually began to envy capitalism “we would be so rotten.” But now there are sprouts of Socialism --- in their favorite old songs, films, in our posts.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 2 August 2016 13: 38
              0
              Of course, socialism will not be soon and not the same as before, but it will be.
              The tablet is somehow glitches, quotes do not work and many photos in the comments do not open. Or video. Sadness.
  22. sub307
    sub307 1 August 2016 13: 12
    +6
    In Pushkin (Tsarskoye Selo) there is a memorial to the fallen on the 1st World War. I'll go today, much less my great-grandfather from that war did not return ....
  23. Koshak
    Koshak 1 August 2016 17: 28
    +4
    Quote: Alex_Rarog
    Eternal memory to all wars!

    You want to say - WARRIORS? soldier
  24. Tim
    Tim 1 August 2016 18: 00
    +2
    My great-grandfather was a peasant laborer on earth died in the 1st World
  25. Koshak
    Koshak 1 August 2016 20: 02
    +4
    My grandfather (father's father) fought in both world wars ... soldier
  26. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 2 August 2016 03: 41
    +4
    Nobody is forgotten ... and we will not forget anyone.
  27. Alexey T. (Oper)
    Alexey T. (Oper) 4 August 2016 13: 05
    0
    Quote: Aleksander
    And don’t paw anymore about a story that seemed immutable in the stupid Soviet times — today, when a bunch of information looks ridiculous and funny, like their propagandist
    Well, give this notorious "heap of information"? You’re just puffing out your cheeks, declaring that it supposedly exists. But they never brought anything. Whereas all of your slogans have been refuted by real facts and documents. laughing
  28. gendir.grifon
    gendir.grifon 5 August 2016 23: 25
    0
    We will not dispute the feat of the Russian soldier in any war, but the campaign of the authorities to rehabilitate all squirrels, emigrants and other gentlemen who have fled Paris is so unattractive.