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KRET is developing a new target detection system for T-50.

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Concern Radioelectronic Technologies (part of Rostec) is working on the creation of serial products of the family of multifunctional video processing systems (MSOVI) Hunter, to date, several equipment options have already been created, reports press office enterprises.




"MCOVI" Ohotnik "are intended for use in survey and sighting optical-electronic systems (ECO) of helicopters, airplanes and other weapons, military and special equipment. These products solve the tasks of electronic image stabilization, automatic detection and tracking of targets, and also increase the detection range of objects in difficult conditions of vision by 1.5-2 times ",
says release.

It is reported that “over the past few years, more than a dozen different variants of Hunter products have been created for Mi-28H, Mi-8, Ka-52 helicopters, Su family planes, warship artillery systems, anti-tank complexes, and for a number of anti-aircraft missile systems ".

In addition, "the development of video processing equipment for one of the PAK FA optical-electronic stations is in full swing," the concern said.

Help press service: “The products of the Okhotnik family served as the basis for the creation at the Concern's enterprises of optical-electronic stations for medium-range and short-range air defense systems. Multifunctional video processing systems in these ECOs are the backbone intellectual core that solves the problems of detecting, auto-tracking and controlling targets. In addition, the systems include electronic modules with television and thermal imaging sensors, means of displaying and interfacing information, as well as control panels and a laser range finder. ”
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RIA News. Evgeny Biyatov
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  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 30 July 2016 10: 00
    +8
    The development of electronic filling for aircraft and armored vehicles cannot but rejoice.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 30 July 2016 10: 08
      0
      "Hunter" is a beautiful name .. I hope it will justify! Now, of course, it will start, like "All bullshit, buy from Israel!" ,as usual)))))
      1. svp67
        svp67 30 July 2016 10: 24
        +13
        Quote: Chariton
        Now of course it will start, like "All the garbage, buy from Israel!" ,as usual)))))

        And I would not mind if Israel sold us something in this spirit, if only it would be new and modern. It would be very good to compare THIS with ours in order to understand what we are ahead of and what are behind. But they will not sell it ...
        1. Abbra
          Abbra 30 July 2016 10: 51
          +2
          The GRU has long been unkind. And those who need to make out the cogs.
          1. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 30 July 2016 12: 56
            +5
            And what's wrong with that? For technical secrets, there is always a hunt for everyone, because it’s not a mess.
      2. Simple
        Simple 30 July 2016 19: 42
        +1
        Quote: Chariton
        Now of course it will start, like "All the garbage, buy from Israel!" ,as usual)))))

        I will disappoint you ...
        ALL developed and supplied products of the Okhotnik family are implemented on FPGA manufactured by Xilinx.

        Xilinx
        Founded in 1984 year The American company Xilinx is one of the leaders in the production of FPGAs. At the moment, this company has several series of manufactured equipment for various kinds of calculations:

        Virtex, Spartan, CoolRunner and XC9500.

        Is there some more:
        Altera, Lattice Semiconductor, Actel, Atmel, Nallatech, Mitrionics, Alpha Data, QuickLogic, Achronix Semiconductor, MathStar, Rapid Prototypes, National Instruments, Sun Microsystems, SGI, Cray, MNB Technologies, CPU Tech, Exegy, Celoxica, XtremeData, Plu.
        / our NII MVS, FSUE "NII QUANT", Inline Group, Efo, ITMIVT, High-tech systems, NPP "Digital solutions", DeverSYS, ... only "work" /

        DSP is used as signal processors in "Hunter" Texas Instruments and Analog Devices firms using the VLIW architecture (up to 8 operating nodes -
        fishing, capable of working in parallel, performing one operation per cycle at frequencies from 500 MHz to 1 GHz).
        it's the same americans request

        a number of models of the Okhotnik family provide transmission and reception of video signals via a high-speed digital interface of the Fiber Channel Physical Standard specification (ANSI X3.230-1994) this is the same Americans request

        Quote: Author
        is working on the creation of serial products of the Okhotnik family of “multifunctional video image processing systems” (MSOVI); several equipment options have already been created to date, the enterprise’s press service reports.

        Mb the author is not up to date, as well as KRET:
        1. The Okhotnik family of multifunctional video image processing systems was developed at FSUE GRPZ in the 2000x region
        2.MORE 2010 Products Launched at 250
        3. Sub-function "Hunter: the ability to work on point low-contrast air targets is implemented in products OVI-M2 (SAM" Kvadrat ") and OVI-M3 (SAM" Buk-M2E ").
        And this is the year ....

        in general, I am confused by the figure of the general director of "KRET"
        http://kret.com/about/person/10238/


        as well as KAN-AvtoVAZ LLC, the official distributor of AvtoVAZ in Tatarstan, which belongs to the children of Kolesov and is headed by his son Alexander. (Alexander Kolesov owns 60%, Anastasia Kolesova - 20%, and 20% belongs to Uraloboronpro CJSC).
    2. svp67
      svp67 30 July 2016 10: 22
      +2
      Quote: oleg-gr
      The development of electronic filling for aircraft and armored vehicles cannot but rejoice.
      Of course, but I really want to see not the T-50, but the Su-50, that is, a serial aircraft multiplied in dozens of copies.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 30 July 2016 10: 58
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        and the Su-50, that is, a serial aircraft multiplied in dozens of copies.

        It seems to me PAX is not quite a serial aircraft. The first serial ten will be one, the second - the other, the third may already be near space will control
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 30 July 2016 12: 56
          +1
          Quote: Tusv

          It seems to me PAX is not quite a serial aircraft. The first serial ten will be one, the second - the other, the third may already be near space will control

          I get the impression that the developers of the PAK FA are trying to get the serial complex not of the 5th generation, but of the 5+ generation. At the same time, serious discussions are already going on about the 6th generation unmanned fighter, which suggests that one of the batches of the serial PAK FA can very much will be unmanned.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 31 July 2016 05: 17
            +1
            Quote: NEXUS
            I get the impression that the developers of PAK FA are striving to get a serial complex not of the 5th generation, but of the 5+ generation.

            Here it is a matter of the complexity of the production and development of strike weapons, electronic warfare and other delights for a heap. While the first ten will be built, the second ten will already have other requirements. IMHO
        2. Ride78
          Ride78 30 July 2016 14: 15
          -3
          Brains are better if they control you) You still write that in the fourth installment we will fly to Pluto for plutonium))) Ahaha.
    3. Ride78
      Ride78 30 July 2016 14: 14
      +1
      It can not but rejoice when done and installed. And then "soon".
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 30 July 2016 16: 34
        .
        I read about new developments yesterday, https: //hi-tech.mail.ru/news/big-russian-disk/, a 50 MB Russian hard drive worth 3,8 million rubles laughing
        1. Genry
          Genry 30 July 2016 17: 52
          0
          You, like, are no longer a small child, but as a schoolboy ...
          1. Simple
            Simple 30 July 2016 19: 48
            0
            Quote: Genry
            You, like, are no longer a small child, but as a schoolboy ...

            So what? I wrote everything correctly

            http://niifivt.ru/?page_id=9

            It’s good if the phenomenon of buying “VND-M2.05” is explained by a banal cut: they found miraculously preserved museum exhibit 30 of a summer ago and pushed a friend to the general. What if not?
            -This suggests that we are on combat duty in the most critical places associated with global air defense at best, and in nuclear forces at worst, these are still working here, and most likely much older ones, and none of them not even going to upgrade

            - what makes our "developers" use such a backward element base in such products, even if they are used to upgrade / repair products 30-40 years ago and elements of strategic forces. ?


            Something tells me that an SSD drive or even a FLASH memory chip (with the appropriate driver), even in a small lead container, will work much more reliable, and weigh and consume ORDERED (s) less.

            What is the inertness of thinking, cutting, insanity, or does it really exist a serious need for such solutions?

            Why is this shit *** shche "VND-M2.05" being pushed by the RF Ministry of Defense for our money in "tridorogo"?

            there was little shame with BANT-32-02 for 460 thousand rubles. (price for March 2014)?

            There is such a Russian company Milander, which perfectly produces and memory suitable and microcontrollers with the fifth trick at high, but very reasonable prices.


            1. Berkut24
              Berkut24 30 July 2016 21: 16
              +4
              You probably have not heard that there is equipment adapted to specific operating conditions? With not outstanding characteristics, it will work where your iPhone faces immediate death.
              1. Simple
                Simple 30 July 2016 21: 42
                +4
                Quote: Berkut24
                You probably haven't heard

                You probably do not know how to read (though think)?
                Quote: Just
                There is a Russian company Milanderperfectly producing and memory suitable and microcontrollers with a fifth reception in highbut quite reasonably priced.

                5 is the acceptance classification "Millitary"? 9 extreme for the NPP reactor zone

                Radiation-resistant (for conductors) ... or OS (especially resistant, as a rule, unless otherwise specified in the technical specifications) for passive elements or fur. products ...
                tantalum electrolytes:
                K52-1M Acceptance "9" - 2065 p.
                K52-1M Acceptance "5" - 354 p.
                Quote: Berkut24
                where your iPhone faces immediate death.

                How miserable you are!
                1. Where did I write about the "iPhone"?
                2.Why "mine" fool
                How annoying these "pseudo-Patriots screamers" are ...
                3. The company "Milandr" mainly works in the military class, but a little in two neighboring regions. For example, their microcircuits are in the satellites of the GLONASS system - this is space (like 9ka)


                The market for "military" microcircuits in Russia is about 3 billion rubles. Almost all of it is occupied by our companies and the Belarusian Integral. “Milandr” is still a small player here - just under 200 million rubles.

                Chip on 512 Kbytes.

                This chip is able to work in such conditions that were never dreamed of by the consumer goods that are on your computers. But it costs ... 8 500 p apiece.


                And here you are scoffing in order to exalt yourself, to humiliate me fart about the iPhone.
                Well, drag in your hands 25 kg flash drive to 500mb, 1988 of the year of technology, for 3,7 lyama rubles
        2. Tusv
          Tusv 31 July 2016 05: 35
          0
          Quote: Igor39
          I read about new developments yesterday, https: //hi-tech.mail.ru/news/big-russian-disk/, a 50 MB Russian hard drive worth 3,8 million rubles

          The probability of a black spot is quite high. Maybe this is a disk partition? For some lunixoids, the maximum capacity is quite. Who faced ascension will understand
  2. Abbra
    Abbra 30 July 2016 10: 01
    +8
    Maybe I’m not right, but too many stars recently about new developments. This is me on the issue of state and military secrets. But on the other hand, I won’t be surprised if they are silent about the main thing, creating a kind of deeply thought-out curtain of chatter. I am a man of an old sourdough, and every time I shudder when I read about various developments in the open field. For some reason SMERSH is recalled.
    1. dauria
      dauria 30 July 2016 10: 12
      +4
      I am a man of an old sourdough, and every time I tremble when I read about various developments in an open field.


      Come on. Of course, by old standards, such chatter is unthinkable. Then even the type of aircraft was never indicated in the press. You would have seen the photo, but the captions for it (for example, the MiG-25 RB) - never. Even the not secret name "product No. ..." did not appear. Rarely, when a car became history ..

      And in invisibility ours, well, here I am, a military aviation engineer, and for these crumbs I did not dig for myself any of all publications. I did not even notice careless traces of valuable information. Although I agree, poking a snout and scaring annoying media will not hurt. Can inadvertently go to bed.
    2. svp67
      svp67 30 July 2016 10: 27
      +1
      Quote: Abbra
      This is me on the issue of state and military secrets.

      Alas, the features of capitalism. All developments can be found in the reporting documents. I have a cipher and a name code, and some characteristics. But here there is a place for protecting secrets, both state, military, and commercial. You just need to be able to work in these conditions.
    3. Tusv
      Tusv 30 July 2016 11: 31
      +2
      Quote: Abbra
      I am a man of an old sourdough, and every time I shudder when I read about various developments in the open field. For some reason SMERSH is recalled.

      Sometimes it is necessary for the Yankees to merge small information in the media, so that it would not be excruciatingly painful when the small corvettes from the Caspian gasped. Well, the Victory Parades are not only for us and Our Great Ancestors, but so that the next ecumenical exclusive goose would not come to us in the den.
      For three quarters of a century no one has attacked us anymore, the acre of a woman in the American Congress and West Point and in the same media. This is a world record of peaceful life in the history of Russia.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 30 July 2016 12: 33
        +10
        "This is a world record of a peaceful life in the entire history of Russia" ////

        This is a world record of peaceful life in the history of Europe, too!
        It is good when you can spend the night in your own houses, and not in trenches.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 31 July 2016 06: 02
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          This is a world record of peaceful life in the history of Europe, too!

          I dare not agree. Yugoslavia and with your flag, talk about peaceful life in three quarters of a century? Israel is still a European country. Two such minor warriors won a type of sports game. Sarcasm for humor is inappropriate
    4. Simple
      Simple 30 July 2016 21: 58
      0
      Quote: Abbra
      Maybe I’m not right, but too many stars recently about new developments. This is me on the issue of state and military secrets. But on the other hand, I won’t be surprised if they are silent about the main thing, creating a kind of deeply thought-out curtain of chatter. I am a man of an old sourdough, and every time I shudder when I read about various developments in the open field. For some reason SMERSH is recalled.

      Buddy relax.
      1. The long-standing auditor of KRET is ....Ernst & Young - British auditing and consulting company, one of the largest in the world (included in the "Big Four" of audit companies). Since 2013, it has been operating under the EY trademark, which is an acronym for the company name. Headquarters - in London.
      32 million in 2014 was worth an audit
      The auditor is not only a debit / credit, it is an input / output agreement, OCR codes, product codes, import, export, suppliers, etc. Where are the closed employees who eat, relax, eat, apartments, etc.


      Otherwise, how does everyone know that:
      The Group’s operating and net profit, calculated in accordance with IFRS, amounted to 3,96 billion rubles. and 3,22 billion rubles. respectively. At the same time, the operating margin was 8%, and the net profit margin was 6%. These figures correspond to international industry average indicators for the largest foreign manufacturers of avionics. For example, Thales net profit margin for 2012 for the year was 4%, Rockwell Collins - 12,9%, Honeywell - 9%.
      2. KRET spent 830 million rubles on IFRS ..
      Chemezov and Rostec wanted to bring KRET to 2015 on the stock exchange ...
      3. About "Hunter" was announced at the 11th international scientific and technical conference "Problems of transmission and processing of information in networks and telecommunication systems"in 2002

      “OKHOTNIK” FAMILY OF MULTIPURPOSE VIDEOIMAGE PROCESSING SYSTEMS
      / Alpatov BA, Blokhin AN, Kostyashkin LN, Romanov YN, Shapka SV
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 30 July 2016 22: 21
        -1
        Quote: Just
        An auditor is not only a debit / credit, it is an input / output agreement, OCD codes, product codes, import, export, suppliers, etc. Where are treated, resting closed employees, what to eat, apartments, etc.

        - bullshit

        Quote: Financial Audit
        Audit or audit is an independent assessment of the performance of an organization, system, process, project or product. Most often, the term is used in relation to checking the financial statements of organizations in order to express an opinion on its reliability

        - so be afraid - only a debit loan
        - everything else - a horse Spyrology at a gallop yes
        1. Simple
          Simple 30 July 2016 23: 52
          0
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          - bullshit

          Well, the mare is probably more visible.
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          - so be afraid - only a debit loan

          Can't you pass by?
          -Audited at least once, or did you spend all your personal time ear on tooth gears in topvar? Have you seen the auditor alive? did they pass documents to him in boxes (if there is no desire that a month would stick out under his nose)?
          it seems not.
          And there is poison.
          I will help a stupid mare
          JSC "KRET" ANNUAL REPORTS (Center for disclosure of corporate information)
          http://e-disclosure.ru/portal/files.aspx?id=27759&type=2
          get acquainted. a lot of interesting things (if the brain is not completely drunk)
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          - everything else - a horse Spyrology at a gallop

          Well, it's understandable. You are special in Equidae, you all have horses and horses, although I suspected that you are more versed in donkeys.

          Avatar of Felidae - a family of mammals of the predatory order. The most specialized of predators, adapted for the extraction of animal food by sneaking, stalking,What for?
          Can replace it with this?
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 31 July 2016 06: 56
            0
            So... what

            Viewing the report for 2014 (there is simply no "younger" link) gives the following, highly and highly classified information:

            ... in the dispute on the recovery of debt of the Central Research Institute of Electric Power and Electric Equipment under the agreement on R&D in the amount of 10 403 125,37 rubles ... Case No. A40-182613 / 14

            - where are the "secrets"?

            The Concern's implementation of measures to develop a market presence can provide the Concern with a revenue potential of 26 to 94 billion rubles. on the horizon of 2025 due to:
            - implementation of the integrated supplier model in the avionics market. ... The main priority for the Concern is to increase its presence in promising aircraft, as well as to increase its presence on current sides with a large supply volume.
            - maintaining monopoly positions in the corresponding segments of the electronic warfare market and strengthening international marketing.
            - participation as a parent company in the development of a new civil defense system and civil defense assets of aviation, land and sea types, as well as participation in the modernization of civil defense systems in the CIS countries.

            Planned for implementation investment projects.

            ... The concern is developing a complex of basic systems and components for a new generation of avionics (IKBO IMA project). This equipment is planned to be installed, in particular, on the promising domestic aircraft MS-21. Ground and flight tests of the IKBO IMA components began in 2014 and will continue in 2015

            - and where are the "secrets", I ask you? Where

            Quote: Just
            input / output contracts, OCD codes, product codes, import, export, suppliers, etc. Where are treated, resting closed employees, what to eat, apartments, etc.

            - where is it all, (censorship)? But no. Because the security and secrecy department has not yet been canceled.

            Quote: Just
            -audited at least once ...? Have you seen the auditor alive? did they pass documents to him in boxes (if there is no desire that a month would stick out under his nose)?

            - personally audit - did not conduct. Not my profile.
            - I've seen the auditor alive more than once. At my clients (quite serious offices, although not "military"). I did not observe anything supernatural.
            - "documents in boxes" - this is in the black and black Hooves to the Skull LLC. In decent offices (and I only work with such) - rarely, rarely, to clarify something that is not clear from the accounting department. In KRET, I assure you, good and competent bulachters. For which, by the way, they are paid wink
            - nothing will be given to Ernst from the secret, do not worry. And how much he will hang around there is mainly his personal sexual grief.

            Everything else is the same horse Spirology, excuse me. And also "brains, not drunk to the end" (but already somewhere nearby, hike).

            That's something like yes
            1. Simple
              Simple 31 July 2016 20: 10
              0
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              So.

              Quote: Cat Man Null
              - where are the "secrets"?

              Listen ... Do you really belong to the ass?
              Let me remind you, for SU, the topic:
              Quote: Abbra
              Maybe I’m not right, but too many stars recently about new developments. This is me on the issue of state and military secrets

              The man was concerned that there is not a lot of "secret information" printed on TopVar and in the press, it would not be time to revive SMERSH.
              I objected:
              Quote: Just
              Ernst & Young - a British audit and consulting company

              Quote: Just
              An auditor is not only a debit / credit, it is an input / output agreement, OCD codes, product codes, import, export, suppliers, etc.

              Those. TopVar and prEss- babble in comparison with the auditor.
              You, as always, without reading, without delving into, passing by, began to pour poop (of which you seem to have plenty).
              Until 2013, the rest were "ours"

              Chemezov (like Chubais and Rusnano), wanted an IPO in 2015, it took
              Quote: Just
              IFRS


              Quote: Cat Man Null
              - where is it all, (censorship)? But no. Because the security and secrecy department has not yet been canceled.

              see above.
              And you have not read the reports, for the reason you see
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              drunk to the end "(
              and just vindictive malice.
              I read the "report", consulted with the auditor and please Specially Designated Nationals, the US Treasury knows where it will hurt more.
              Ibid:

              Hu from hu, to whom, No. of contracts is a good help to a potential adversary
              - "Stella-K" will produce a hundred complexes of "President S"
              ACCESSORIES RISE UP BY 145%
              - the exact cost (cost) of the “L187A product” (first name of the “Lever”)

              The same as with JSC VNIIRA and plans to oust RSBN ITT (USA), Moog (USA) and KAS (South Korea), specifically RSBN Tacan

              And also, if you don’t get it:
              The report is the result of the work of the auditor.
              The auditor works with Pervichka
              1. Simple
                Simple 31 July 2016 20: 11
                0
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                - personally audit - did not conduct. Not my profile.

                He is visible and not only an audit, petty viciousness and tenacity, but in abundance.
                The auditor does not work with KPO and KPR. He wool the primary and checks the correctness of the "distribution" according to the articles.
                Yes, the auditor works with copies of documents, where the department is dying out. But from the primary of such a LOT of information you can emphasize:
                Quote: Just
                OCD ciphers, product ciphers, import, export, suppliers, etc. Where are the closed employees who eat, relax, eat, apartments, etc.


                =============
                with 15go this practice is practically stopped.
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                "documents in boxes" - this is in the black and black Hooves to the Skull LLC.

                repetition: You are stupid and vicious, petty and dumb.
                Quote: Just
                (if there is no desire, what would a month stick out under my nose)?

                there are desires, not any boxes: a month sits above the soul.
                What does not think how? fool
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                That's something like

                Exactly so: change your profile picture to this

                , there will be a match.
                ================================
                Yes, however, why spend time on the evil ******? I don’t see the point, go jackpot around the expanses of topvar, you will find (as always) who you get to the bottom of, it’s easier. Then a glass and sleep.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 31 July 2016 22: 05
                  0
                  Quote: Just
                  repetition: you are stupid and vicious, petty and dumb

                  - I didn’t notice it
                  - however, I have neither time nor desire to bark with you. A very busy night ahead request

                  Quote: Just
                  glass and sleep

                  - this is for you, dear ... I will not have to sleep the next day sad
              2. Cat man null
                Cat man null 31 July 2016 22: 01
                0
                Quote: Just
                Listen ... Do you really belong to the ass?

                - not. I do not belong to yours request

                You, as is clear from the picture above (where are the contract numbers and the names of the counterparties), refer to the Report for 2013 (KRET_Annual Report_2014-04-18_final)

                I read, as I said before, the report for 2014 (as the "youngest" and, therefore, the most accurate reflection of the current state of affairs with the audit, KRET_GO_2014_final_Inerfax)

                No "contract numbers" in the 2014 report no.

                Moreover, even in the report for the 2013th contract, more than 100 rubles - without numbers. What is significant, IMHO.

                Quote: Just
                - "Stella-K" will produce a hundred complexes of "President S"
                ACCESSORIES RISE UP BY 145%
                - the exact cost (cost) of the “L187A product” (first name of the “Lever”)
                The same as with JSC VNIIRA and plans to oust RSBN ITT (USA), Moog (USA) and KAS (South Korea), specifically RSBN Tacan

                - I did not find this anywhere. Okay, I believe that somewhere it is. May be.

                Quote: Just
                ... OCD ciphers, product ciphers, import, export, suppliers, etc. Where are treated, resting closed employees, what to eat, apartments, etc.

                - I did not find this anywhere. And it should not be in the Annual Report No.

                Quote: Just
                Yes, the auditor works with copies of documents, where the department is dying out. But from the primary of such a LOT of information you can emphasize:
                Quote: Just
                OCD ciphers, product ciphers, import, export, suppliers, etc. Where are treated, resting closed employees, what to eat, apartments, etc.

                - it is not clear why all this is not "blacked out by the department"

                Thus:

                - You, despite the fact that sometimes you say the right things, are still strong fool sorting through the estimates of the "disaster volume"
                - for evaluating my modest abilities - thanks, I will attach to the collection hi
  3. D. Dan
    D. Dan 30 July 2016 10: 10
    +2
    Putin said that our answer will be asymmetric, that is, the Pendstans are swirling a bunch of dough, while ours are so slightly stressed, and a mustache. And this information is part of this war.
  4. Barakuda
    Barakuda 30 July 2016 10: 11
    0
    This is all of course good. BUT WHERE even a couple of squadrons on alert? How much can you trynd develop-modify. Type is not enough money does not pass, they are just a shaft. I understand the excitement of the Indians, for example, if Russia somehow does not care. Su-35 Sinas pushed cheaper and more profitable.
    Sorry - the cry of the soul.
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 30 July 2016 10: 29
      +2
      Quote: Barracuda
      This is all of course good. BUT WHERE even a couple of squadrons on alert?

      And on the fig they are so urgently needed? SU-34 SU-35 will more than adequately solve all the problems that have arisen. Air defense will land any flying even "invisible" wunderwaffe, OTRK will provide a strike in the depths of enemy territory. In general, everything goes to the fact that clean fighters are already fading into the background, especially since such battles can arise only between a few serious opponents and no matter with what outcome, but one way or another, they will inevitably lead to a strike with nuclear weapons. Now there is a demand for attack aircraft and bombers, a kind of projection of soft power to force terrorists to peace.
      1. vv3
        vv3 30 July 2016 11: 28
        -8
        An aircraft of the 5th generation is primarily a powerful information link, if you want the heart of a modern information system. We do not have such systems yet, there are attempts, but there are no systems. Attempts are ESU TZ "Constellation" and ACCS "Andromeda-D". But they are not effective and their primitive information channels are already outdated at the stage of creating these systems. In this regard, the T50 is not an aircraft of the 5th generation. Without this it is 4 + ++. He is a pure fighter with new qualities. This is not enough for a 5th generation aircraft.
        1. Iline
          Iline 30 July 2016 13: 53
          +1
          Reading enthusiastic responses to this kind of publication, I want to brush away a tear that suddenly surges up from joy.
          This is a banter, of course.
          But if it’s serious: what idiot asked TTD to design this aircraft from Moscow Region? This is the word that can be called this person. Or was this aircraft designed according to Poghosyan’s plans and the military quietly accepted the design bureaus of the Design Bureau?
          I will not find other reasons.
          I am very glad that our military electronics began to rise from its knees, but I can definitely say that if the parameters corresponding to the new system were indicated at the stage of voicing the requirements for a new aircraft, then the industry would have worked in this way initially.
          And now you can only read peppy reports on a successful approach to the end of state. T-50 tests (despite the fact that these tests should have been completed successfully several years ago. Moreover, with new engines). And what if they put a new inherently weapons control system? It turns out dope toiled all these years and we must start all over again? This song is good - start over ... You can do this endlessly.
          Sorry, it's already boiling. Just having served as an engineer in aviation for 28 years, I imagine all the difficulties with this shy.
          1. iwind
            iwind 30 July 2016 14: 45
            +2
            Quote: Iline
            Reading enthusiastic responses to this kind of publication, I want to brush away a tear that suddenly surges up from joy.
            This is a banter, of course.
            But if it’s serious: what idiot asked TTD to design this aircraft from Moscow Region? This is the word that can be called this person. Or was this aircraft designed according to Poghosyan’s plans and the military quietly accepted the design bureaus of the Design Bureau?

            I don’t agree about the boob. all such smart people are there graying. But about the completion of the ICG, when Pak-fa once again takes off with a global change in the glider, this raises questions ...
            Which option was the ICG. And when the new version will be tested, it will not work smoothly there either (this simply does not happen).
            Time .... and in 2017 series (should the serial version be tested already)?
            And when the internal compartments and the combat load inside are shown, so many years have passed. even the Chinese showed
            Ps the news is very strange, they want to say, now it flies without "MSOVI"? and we complete the gsi ....
            1. Tektor
              Tektor 30 July 2016 19: 25
              0
              Probably the news was presented in a "journalistic" manner: they forgot to say that it was just a new version. The T-50 will be constantly improved in the future, this is obvious. In the west, new versions are called blocks, like block 30/40. We have not yet taken root.
            2. Simple
              Simple 30 July 2016 22: 10
              +3
              Quote: iwind
              with a global change in the glider, this raises questions ...

              what are the "global" glider changes?
              T-50-1 - frequency tests performed, revision underway.
              T-50-5P - chi performed, elimination of identified defects.

              T-50-3 - 24.12.2015 flew to Zhukovsky for remounting ed. 101KS-B.
              T-50-3 - improvements were made to the engine control unit

              T-50-4 - the spacer bracket between the right air intake and the engine collapsed.
              T-50-4 - improvements were made to the air conditioning system and the IMS was reflashed
              T-50-5 is resting under a tarp in Zhukovsky, the wings will be placed on the T-50-0

              dismantled 50-5Р, at that moment the factory already had a reserve for 50-6. As much as possible, all this backlog was used in 5P. The car was restored in a year, part of the DSE - from 50-5, part - from 50-6, part - newly manufactured. The static 50-7, which was recently shown to Sobyanin, is a completely separate device. How damaged glider elements can still go somewhere, except in scrap metal ....

              Due to delays in the supply of components, the schedule for the T-50-8 was disrupted by about 20 days, the "eight" will use the "old" stabilizers T-50-2, removed in September, as technological (at the stage of applying the RPM and frequency tests) ...

              T-50-6-2 - assembly after applying the RPP, preparation for improvements to the junction of the center section and the air intake, the timing is the same.
              T-50-8 - completion of the final assembly, refinement of the fuel system. Transfer to LIS according to the new schedule - 20.01.2016, frequency tests - 27.01.-01.02.2016, application of RPP - 25.02.-25.03.2016, first flight - 15.04.2016, delivery - 22.04.2016.
              T-50-9 - installation of the 10.02.2016 point, installation of engines - 10.03.2016, transmission to the LIS - 20.03.2016
              T-50-10 - manufacturing of fuselage parts, docking of the fuselage and transferring it to the final assembly workshop - up to 15.01.2016, mounting OCHK - 01.03.2016, transferring to LIS - 30.03.2016.
              T-50-11 - making the center section and the head of the fuselage, docking the fuselage and transferring it to the final assembly workshop - up to 01.03.2016, assembling the OCHK - 10.04.2016, transferring to the LIS - 15.05.2016.

              A decision was made to abandon the construction of the "re-static" T-50-12 and the production in 2017 of 2 aircraft in the face of the T-50-11.
              Quote: iwind
              And when will the internal compartments show

              Here they didn’t calculate it a bit. They’ll strengthen it, they will show, well, the shutters on redundancy red tape that isho
              1. iwind
                iwind 31 July 2016 00: 42
                -2
                Quote: Just
                what are the "global" glider changes?
                T-50-1 - frequency tests performed, revision underway.
                T-50-5R - performed CHI, the elimination of identified defects is ongoing.

                I already read it. But about global agrees, I got a little excited. But engine bonding in the t-50-6 will lead to noticeable changes in the minimum heat transfer and alignment.
                According to rumors there were problems at the stage of installation and design, and what else to get out of operation?
                I’m also personally curious how they solved the problem of the temperature of the internal compartments of the Pak-fa, they are between two hot sections of the engine.
                And yes Opu ...

                And you will probably be interested in the hero of the article, the macaroni monster, which was "smashed during the landing" of JSAT-14 the day before yesterday's fire test, has also passed today.
                1. Simple
                  Simple 31 July 2016 13: 40
                  +1
                  But are the compartments warming up? There are more places there than in the Raptor, the area of ​​heat transfer is greater.
                  According to rumors, glider stiffness problems have arisen, it’s understandable. I hope they will solve it.
                  About Falcon looked amusing. Thank you.
                  VERTICAL fire tests were especially admired (there is no where to put money or are they testing cables for 700?)

                  But I do not understand what relation does he have to the T-50 and to the fuselage thereof in particular? belay
                  Doesn't reach me either.
            3. Vadim237
              Vadim237 30 July 2016 23: 16
              -2
              Yes, no questions — the Air Force will buy the T 50 in a limited series, mainly they will buy the Su 35, they began to force the creation of the sixth generation in full, in 10 years it will fly, and maybe even earlier, so why spend it on the fifth generation, when it’s already the sixth on the way.
        2. Skubudu
          Skubudu 30 July 2016 14: 57
          0
          Quote: vv3
          An aircraft of the 5th generation is primarily a powerful information link, if you want the heart of a modern information system. We do not have such systems yet, there are attempts, but there are no systems. Attempts are ESU TZ "Constellation" and ACCS "Andromeda-D". But they are not effective and their primitive information channels are already outdated at the stage of creating these systems. In this regard, the T50 is not an aircraft of the 5th generation. Without this it is 4 + ++. He is a pure fighter with new qualities. This is not enough for a 5th generation aircraft.

          In all circles, the T-50 is recognized as the fifth generation fighter. All other pseudo opinions - trolling and no more
          1. vv3
            vv3 31 July 2016 17: 04
            0
            There are opinions that our UAVs can give out the coordinates of targets in real time, but there is a "pseudo-sensation" that they cannot. So your opinion is an opinion, and my opinion is a “pseudo-denial.” There is an opinion that our systems on Chinese and Indian consumer goods or on our backward ones are twice the best ... And on what advanced electronic base is the world's best T- 50 .... Once there was an opinion that the Red Army is the strongest and will defeat any enemy and on its territory ... My friend must be more modest and think more ..... There is an opinion.
  5. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 30 July 2016 10: 14
    +4
    Quote: Abbra
    Maybe I’m not right, but too many stars recently about new developments. This is me on the issue of state and military secrets.

    I constantly read articles on the development of various kinds of weapons, I have never seen even the slightest hint of divulging the secrets of any level in the texts of the articles (all at the level of general phrases - improved, improved), but in the comments ..... I just want to give sometimes by hand or tinsel!
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 July 2016 10: 22
    +1
    Quote: Abbra
    This is me on the issue of state and military secrets.

    I will support you. Too often you see reports on TV - we are in such and such a city at an enterprise such and such, which produce the latest types of weapons, etc. I understand that the list of information constituting state secrets has been slightly changed, but you still need to know the measure. We have become too open since the notorious 90s, which often came out sideways. Targeted stuffing is one thing, and simple negligence and carelessness are another.
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 30 July 2016 10: 42
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Too often you see reports on TV - we are in such and such a city at an enterprise such and such, which produce the latest types of weapons, etc.

      Laughter and more. And when enterprises show their products at international arms exhibitions, does that not upset you? Well, knowing the name of the enterprise to find a city is a question for Yandex. Or do you suggest not selling anything over the hill - let the military-industrial complex die. I'm not saying that usually everyone around knows that a particular plant produces.
      1. dauria
        dauria 30 July 2016 12: 36
        +4
        I'm not saying that usually everyone around knows that a particular plant produces.


        I agree with the captain - the measure should be known, and the media should not themselves chase after the "fried", but be afraid and coordinate every peep in this direction. I asked and received only what smart people deem necessary.
        Intelligence can sometimes be interested in amazing things. For example, what Baba Klava said about the wife of the military representative, and with what breed of dog she walks along the street. bully

        Hey, doctors !!! Is there a "phobia" for journalists? And then I have been freaking out lately from one of their species.
        1. jPilot
          jPilot 30 July 2016 16: 49
          +2
          I will support, you really need to know the measure. Very often the terrorist attack "Nord-Ost" is recalled, when some journalist interviews the crazed Tsekalo, and he begins to tell the whole world what the special forces asked him about and where you can get into the building of the musical belay then I really wanted to "jump" into the screen and shut up the "misunderstanding" from the show business. angry
          Although, on the other hand, appropriate structures are thought, this issue is also monitored.
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 30 July 2016 13: 00
      +1
      And from the "other side" of such reports, I don't remember.
  7. Zomanus
    Zomanus 30 July 2016 10: 24
    +1
    That is, this thing will allow you to remove part of the high-precision and precision mechanics from
    optical surveillance devices. Which, in general, is very good for equipment operating under conditions of such loads, vibrations and other things. But what about secrecy, so no one puts drawings,
    Yes, and now you can’t figure it out much with the drawings.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 30 July 2016 13: 02
      0
      Sometimes the idea itself, or its solution, is worth a lot.
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 July 2016 10: 25
    +1
    This is another step towards robot robots. Not a UAV, where the pilot is just far away, namely the Drone Robot, itself recognizes the targets, and decides on how to attack and with what. A person will only ask permission! Or will be gone wassat ? The pattern recognition system is more of a software task, and it is the Russian developers who have considerable success in this matter. Individual people in the crowd are recognized and accompanied.
    1. vv3
      vv3 30 July 2016 11: 15
      -5
      Which drone? Where the T-50 will get the information received, this aircraft is not integrated into any combat information system. We do not have such systems. Therefore, it cannot be considered a 5th generation aircraft, it is not an information link and real-time information exchange is not provided. What drones in this context are we talking about? You are a storyteller. Want and be able to have different concepts.
    2. dauria
      dauria 30 July 2016 13: 45
      0
      A person will only ask permission! Or willsat be gone?


      There will be no more, do not hesitate. They allow the RCC to distribute priorities in the order themselves, they do not bother with morality.
      I will say more, at the level of reflexes, a modern fighter is already "on its own" and does not ask the pilot, but on the contrary, ignores, saying "Well, you are a goat without arms." The matter is small - the big-headed ones will paint the algorithm of consciousness in squares and diamonds with arrows, strain the technologists so that they weigh less and consume electricity in moderation. And they will put artificial "Hartmans" and "Kozhedubs" on the conveyor.
  9. KVashentcev
    KVashentcev 30 July 2016 12: 41
    +1
    In my opinion, the goals for this handsome man have long been obvious ... :)