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US media: China bypasses US sanctions in the military-technical sphere

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The American press is sounding the alarm about the publication of informational brochures concerning the operation of Chinese-made Xian MA60 aircraft. These are turboprop passenger airplanes, which were created on the base model of the An-24 simultaneously with its deep modernization. The first operational Chinese MA60 took off at the beginning of the 2000's.


The essence of the "alarm" of American journalists is that a recently published brochure describes the Xian MA60 not only as a civilian, but also as a military transport aircraft. It would seem, but what is the essence of the claims? The fact is that the Chinese Xian MA60 aircraft use PW127J engines of the American-Canadian company Pratt & Whitney Canada (P&WC), as well as North American avionics. And since 1989, the United States and Canada have supported sanctions on the supply of equipment to China that can be used for military purposes (engines are included in the list). The official reason for the decision on sanctions is the events in Tiananmen Square.

Now in the United States they say that the Chinese have deceived Washington. Starting to create a civilian aircraft, the Chinese company Xian Aircraft was able to easily reorient the aircraft to military needs.

Journalists DefenseNews P&WC management was asked to comment on the situation. The answer of the representative of the company's management Maria Mandato was as follows:
We manufacture and supply our engines to the Chinese market for civilian aircraft. The data on the availability of our engines on the military versions of the aircraft MA60 are false.


At the same time DefenseNews gives a photo from the sensational brochure. The photo shows exactly the Canadian-American aviation an engine, which is allegedly used in the military transport version of the aircraft.

US media: China bypasses US sanctions in the military-technical sphere


The same brochure states that MA60 can be used not only as a military transport aircraft, but also as a maritime patrol aircraft.
Photos used:
http://www.defensenews.com
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  1. Abbra
    Abbra 29 July 2016 17: 18
    +10
    Better to let Americans care that Chinese ballpoint pens sold in the US can be stuck in Obama's left eye!
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 29 July 2016 17: 26
      +8
      The time of hegemony of the United States has passed and let its sanctions be thrust ... Russia is beginning to break all their prosperity and primacy in the world economy and politics! Well, the Chinese are still quiet people ... But we in Russia love the scope, give us only a goal and that’s all ... fellow
      1. rabbi's pais
        rabbi's pais 29 July 2016 17: 39
        +6
        Quote: Chariton
        And we in Russia love the scope, give us only the goal and that’s it ...

        Mikhan, I give you complete freedom of action, start breaking the Amersos, you are our unstoppable warrior. angry
        1. Khariton
          Khariton 29 July 2016 18: 18
          0
          Quote: rabbi's paisas
          Quote: Chariton
          And we in Russia love the scope, give us only the goal and that’s it ...

          Mikhan, I give you complete freedom of action, start breaking the Amersos, you are our unstoppable warrior. angry

          I prefer to work on our liberoids ..! And then the rest .. bully
        2. GYGOLA
          GYGOLA 29 July 2016 21: 21
          +2
          rabbi's paisas (4) Today, 17:39 ↑ New

          Quote: Chariton
          And we in Russia love the scope, give us only the goal and that’s it ...

          Mikhan, I give you complete freedom of action, start breaking the Amersos, you are our unstoppable warrior. angry
          How are you talking to the general, Major ... request laughing wink
          1. Trick shot
            Trick shot 30 July 2016 00: 22
            +2
            Meehan is not a general. He is Ober Marshal !!! soldier Belongs to the first ranks of the Court.
            In his subordination is the Gough-Quartermaster's office, in which the management of palaces and gardens is concentrated, and the Chamber-Tsalmeister office, which is entrusted with the decoration and furnishing of the palaces. Also, Chief Marshal Meehan is engaged in arranging receptions and organizing travels to those lands "where even in summer it is cold in a coat" (c) of any kind of liberalizing element ...
            1. GYGOLA
              GYGOLA 30 July 2016 22: 26
              0
              Quote: Trick Shot
              Meehan is not a general. He is Ober Marshal !!! soldier Belongs to the first ranks of the Court.
              In his subordination is the Gough-Quartermaster's office, in which the management of palaces and gardens is concentrated, and the Chamber-Tsalmeister office, which is entrusted with the decoration and furnishing of the palaces. Also, Chief Marshal Meehan is engaged in arranging receptions and organizing travels to those lands "where even in summer it is cold in a coat" (c) of any kind of liberalizing element ...
              laughing cruelly ... smile
        3. Trick shot
          Trick shot 29 July 2016 23: 47
          +4
          Well, that’s it! Hold on now vile liberoids and ugly shitcratosaurs.
          Mikhan-Vitaly decrypted and legalized.
          But everyone will get it.
          If the head doctor again does not close his office with a computer, or relatives carry a laptop into the room disguised as pita ..))))) laughing
          1. Alex_Tug
            Alex_Tug 29 July 2016 23: 55
            +1
            Trick shot
            laptop disguised as pita bread.

            Who is Mikhan-Vitaliy?
            What is so difficult? The smartphone was taken from him?
            1. Trick shot
              Trick shot 30 July 2016 00: 26
              +1
              Someone Khariton is Mikhan-Vitaliy, the one who started to wipe himself out here even "before the era of historical materialism."
              I can’t say anything else. I'm afraid STRANAAASHNY man ... belay
      2. PKK
        PKK 29 July 2016 17: 51
        +1
        Mernikosa is not all-powerful and not all-powerful, it’s time for them to get used to the role of the former director. And they look like the former nomenclature in the city bath.
      3. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 29 July 2016 18: 24
        +21
        Prala, the Chinese do not bother with someone’s copyright ambitions if this is in the country's favor, the Yankees, by the way, also do not toss and turn in a dream from this. But sometimes we are punched by decency and this is mercilessly used by all and sundry! negative
        1. D. Dan
          D. Dan 29 July 2016 20: 18
          +2
          Great banner, to the point +++!
      4. Abbra
        Abbra 29 July 2016 18: 32
        +7
        Evening. The teachings of the department. Need to fling where necessary, and go to the barracks.

        The commander of the department, tired: - Oh, his fuck! Fire on the states!

        And then the whole division joined.
    2. Vend
      Vend 29 July 2016 17: 29
      +1
      What embarrassment laughing Zrada amerikinsk laughing
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    1. Khariton
      Khariton 29 July 2016 17: 29
      -2
      Again, the Chinese, something was stolen (technology) ...))))) They are not fixable ..!
      1. Alex_Tug
        Alex_Tug 29 July 2016 17: 36
        +1
        Again, the Chinese stole something (technology)


        Hariton you are incorrigible. Plus I will not put.
        The meaning of the article is generally incomprehensible. Logically, the brochure is in English. Those. The Chinese are offering this aircraft for export. They will be with Canadian engines, there is no doubt about that. The general meaning - Chinese zas..tsy, compete in the market with dumping prices.
        1. Khariton
          Khariton 29 July 2016 18: 05
          -2
          Quote: Alex_Tug
          Again, the Chinese stole something (technology)


          Hariton you are incorrigible. Plus I will not put.
          The meaning of the article is generally incomprehensible. Logically, the brochure is in English. Those. The Chinese are offering this aircraft for export. They will be with Canadian engines, there is no doubt about that. The general meaning - Chinese zas..tsy, compete in the market with dumping prices.

          Well, I’m talking about this ... It’s easiest and easiest to swipe, but to develop something by ourselves .. There’s a lot of work and most importantly brains ..! laughing
          And I don’t need pluses, I want to write what I think
        2. Orionvit
          Orionvit 30 July 2016 23: 36
          +1
          I also did not understand what the article is about. The fact that the Chinese wanted to spit on patent law has been known for a long time. They do not know such an expression as "intellectual property" at all. They knew who they were contacting. Everyone knows that if China bought something technologically advanced (a tank, an airplane, an aircraft engine, and so on), then soon it will appear of Chinese production, though of a worse quality. What the noise is about is not clear.
      2. Alex_Tug
        Alex_Tug 29 July 2016 17: 41
        +2
        Plus, I bet for being noted.
        1. Khariton
          Khariton 29 July 2016 18: 33
          +1
          Quote: Alex_Tug
          Plus, I bet for being noted.

          Thank you, but I think they want to lower me to the rank of skulls .. (although I think they’ll just ban me) I stuck to the site (as the dead Appalon said ..) He was a moderator here, he died of a heart attack, I often remember him! He had a core in his soul, but his heart could not stand it .. Allah save his soul!
      3. D. Dan
        D. Dan 29 July 2016 20: 26
        +4
        Can we take an example from them? And take it. I’ll tell you about the repair of your Indesit washing machine. They do it with us either in Kaluga or in Lipetsk ..
        The bearing was covered, after 5 years of work, well, as usual, I drank a glass of my stool and I think that a new fly plate is worth 14 tons, it needs to be fixed. I sawed the tank, knocked out a bearing pair, look, atam do not believe BEARINGS from the VAZ 2107 gene!
        That’s what I think, maybe like the Chinese, the factories here, take it and upgrade the technology and start doing IT on the basis of Western developments!
        1. Alex_Tug
          Alex_Tug 29 July 2016 20: 36
          +1
          D. Dan
          BEARINGS from the vaz 2107 gene!


          I sawed the tank and spotted BEARINGS from the vaz 2107 gene.
          Is it a repair? I bought the bearing clearly. And how much did the tank cost?
          1. marshes
            marshes 29 July 2016 20: 44
            -1
            Quote: Alex_Tug
            I sawed the tank and spotted BEARINGS from the vaz 2107 gene.
            Is it a repair? I bought the bearing clearly. And how much did the tank cost?

            A relative changed the engine to 99,150 Baku for 15 years with documents. 30 thousand run.
        2. marshes
          marshes 29 July 2016 20: 43
          +2
          Quote: D. Dan
          Can we take an example from them? And take it. I’ll tell you about the repair of your Indesit washing machine. They do it with us either in Kaluga or in Lipetsk ..

          In Lipetsk, Indesit-collect. In Origenal, seals and bearings Japanese.
          Five years is cool. Turkish Bek rained down after 15 years. He extended his life until now. laughing
          At the expense of China, it is different.
        3. Awaz
          Awaz 30 July 2016 09: 57
          0
          duck and in Russia do almost the same. All that is Russian-made is the revised Western counterparts. The whole problem is the volume of production. Russia produces mainly for itself and the CIS. in the EU or even in the USA, they can probably also buy Russian, but just if it were Western brands. Some sort of Rubin, although it is made on Chinese spare parts and on circuitry of a Panasonic thread, no one will buy it in earnest.
          I myself encountered German technology)) Bosh fan motor. Copper brushes unsuccessfully frayed the collector. Sold only for 30 thousand whole set. The repair of an INAGRABABLE motor, which I myself had to pick up (in the service they pissed), cost me 1500 rubles as a replacement for the collector that they can do in any small town. In my native village, in childhood, in tractor workshops, rotors and stators were rewound and collectors changed ...
  3. sever.56
    sever.56 29 July 2016 17: 19
    +4
    Well done, the Chinese!
    This is the only way with the Americans. Even if now China does not receive a single engine, nothing terrible will happen. They will disassemble the engine in a cog, study them thoroughly and will produce at home, as has been done with many Western products before. And the states will not do anything - they will chug, be indignant, but they will not take serious steps, in the form of some new sanctions and restrictions. China is not Afghanistan, or some third world country. Maybe give an asymmetric answer.
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  4. demiurg
    demiurg 29 July 2016 17: 28
    +1
    In the fifties, everyone laughed at the Japanese. In the late seventies over the Koreans. Now we are laughing at the Chinese. It seems to us that China is good on our territory. But the countries of Southeast Asia need to be afraid, and very much.
  5. bad
    bad 29 July 2016 17: 28
    +2
    news from agony - "when it's too late to drink Borjomi" laughing mattresses snapped laughing with which I congratulate them .. laughing
  6. newcomer
    newcomer 29 July 2016 17: 30
    +5
    the Chinese like that to screw concerns and whether the Yankees sanctions.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 29 July 2016 19: 03
      -1
      Newcomer

      Clear pepper. The Chinese do not even know how to read English. Why extra headaches.
  7. svp67
    svp67 29 July 2016 17: 38
    +2
    We manufacture and supply our engines to the Chinese market for civil aircraft. The presence of our engines on the military versions of the MA60 is false.
    an additional confirmation of Karl Marx's words that there is NO CRIME for receiving superprofits which the capitalist would not commit. Here's how to take Westerners for "all the details." There is a lot to learn from the Chinese.
  8. atamankko
    atamankko 29 July 2016 17: 46
    0
    "... And Vaska listens, but eats."
  9. gg.na
    gg.na 29 July 2016 17: 51
    -1
    No well it's ok yes !Let be good get around! The Chinese are generally well done guys!
  10. Elephant
    Elephant 29 July 2016 17: 55
    0
    Well done, the Chinese! And our activists are all embarrassed by someone and do not want to adopt and implement advanced technologies. Spent on domestic development, on the principle of oak, but its own.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 29 July 2016 18: 51
      -2
      Quote: Elephant
      Well done, the Chinese! And our activists are all embarrassed by someone and do not want to adopt and implement advanced technologies. Spent on domestic development, on the principle of oak, but its own.

      (-), for the dullness of the comment.
  11. marshes
    marshes 29 July 2016 18: 03
    -1
    Ktiaytsy, not difficult things can produce at home. Yes electronics, but mechanics for them, this is a problem.
    I don’t think that they can copy something very flexible. Xerox mechanics are broken laughing only if not a license. smile And the way they produce high-quality products in the Russian Federation for the time being, when representatives of companies follow them, in the Russian Federation OSB and chipboard, while before the sanctions the representatives were of a rather high-quality product.
    These are not yapas, ras .. piz ... uni, they are "scary".
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 29 July 2016 19: 05
      +3
      Quote: marshes
      Ktiaytsy, not difficult things can produce at home. Yes electronics, but mechanics for them, this is a problem.
      I don’t think that they can copy something very flexible. Xerox mechanics are broken laughing only if not a license. smile And the way they produce high-quality products in the Russian Federation for the time being, when representatives of companies follow them, in the Russian Federation OSB and chipboard, while before the sanctions the representatives were of a rather high-quality product.
      These are not yapas, ras .. piz ... uni, they are "scary".

      I will disappoint you. All of them can, but they will do mechanics under the gun. Missiles do, fly into space, what mechanics do you need?
      It's just that the Chinese are capitalist capitalists. The best of the best. Let me explain. In "mechanics", as you put it, there are technological modes of processing, technological chains, chemical compositions of steels, and so on. insignificant deviations in which can give significant savings in yuan, but will lead to a decrease in reliability and durability (our term is probably not used now). And deviations in the manufacturing process on the final product are not detectable. That's all. All of them can, but they cannot overcome themselves because of the yuan.
      1. marshes
        marshes 29 July 2016 19: 21
        0
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        I will disappoint you.

        I have China near by, have already learned what and how. And I know what to buy.
        He made money on power tools. laughing
        Although they collected 3 D milling machines and Printers. laughing
  12. masiya
    masiya 29 July 2016 18: 13
    0
    Well done, the Chinese, and what they have to do is ... it’s necessary to spin like that, because it’s easier to cheat on your knee than to beg something somewhere ... and then why are they skepticizing electronics at the world level, and mechanical engineering was pulled up, the military fleet is being developed there, there is no way far before sunset the development of the Chinese dragon !!!
    1. marshes
      marshes 29 July 2016 18: 21
      -1
      Quote: masiya
      Well done, the Chinese, and what they have to do is ... it’s necessary to spin like that, because it’s easier to cheat on your knee than to beg something somewhere ... and then why are they skepticizing electronics at the world level, and mechanical engineering was pulled up, the military fleet is being developed there, there is no way far before sunset the development of the Chinese dragon !!!

      Not long ago I ran into students from China, they can't think of something new, they are notorious or something. These are the only "Chisels." laughing For the complex ... It is possible to thank Paria. laughing
      This is not a magnet to do refrigerators., Starry by the way business ...
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 29 July 2016 19: 25
        0
        What is the Etnitz composition of the medalists of the mathematical olympiads, such is the Etnits composition of the scientific staff in the USA ... Roughly speaking, the science in the USA is moved by the Chinese, Pakistanis, Indians, Jews ... The racial theory does not work for you!
        1. marshes
          marshes 29 July 2016 19: 38
          -3
          Quote: Karlovar
          This is the Etnitz composition of the medalists of the mathematical olympiads, such is the Etnitz composition of the scientific staff in the USA ... Roughly speaking, Chinese, Pakistanis, Indians, Jews move science in the USA ... Racial theory does not work for you!

          Czech, here and compare what I can buy real estate from you in Prague. And the money is earned in IT technology.
          I know the Chinese, I’m doing business with them, something complicated they cannot.
          Purely to you.
          You What kind of porno Skoda release?
          I own Fabia myself, it’s G. a ram car, the engine after 150 km, requires replacing the cylinder head gasket, and even the problems with Eletrika.
          B. Lyat you that the machine did not learn to do so, there are a lot of stocks.
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar 29 July 2016 22: 25
            0
            In Skoda, there will be fewer shoals, a cement in Ladakh. And this is a fact. In addition, Skoda is a division of VW. But Kazakhs are far from Germans, it’s a fact. About real estate: mozes, but not kupis ??? And it grows in price in Prague, the uz, a decent apartment of 120 squares in a nice place about 400000 euros ... 5 years ago it cost me 200000 ...
            1. marshes
              marshes 29 July 2016 22: 53
              -3
              Quote: Karlovar
              In Skoda, there will be fewer jambs, cement in Lada

              I don’t go to Frets, there was just a moment that Skoda took Fabia 1.4, by the way, of all the jambs, the hodovka is not bad, it swallows all the bumps. Audi 6 remembered.
              Quote: Karlovar
              .About real estate: mozes, tse not kupis ??? And it is growing in price in Prague, a decent apartment of 120 squares in a decent place about 400000 euros ... 5 years ago it cost me 200000 ...

              five years ago for 146 thousand houses in West Rhine-Westphalia bought, 200 squares, a plot of 12 acres. The house is 64 years old, expanded clay concrete, roof tiles ..
              He brought the Czech Republic for fun, there’s no interest in the NZ house, 350 sq. M. Plot per half hectare, costs 120 NZ, Dollars. True, you need to be a resident and have NZ, Dollars on your account.
              1. Karlovar
                Karlovar 30 July 2016 10: 17
                0
                Don’t be foolish to Basques! In Prague, a house (a new building, a decent one, in a decent place) 350-400 squares today costs 700-800 thousand euros ... In the regions, it’s 2-3 times less ...
              2. Anglorussian
                Anglorussian 30 July 2016 19: 55
                -1
                in NZ house, 350 sq m. plot from half a hectare, costs 120 NZ, Dollars
                At least 5 times more expensive in real life.
    2. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 July 2016 19: 18
      +1
      He is skeptical of envy ... For 1989: the economy of the USSR is 10 times that of the Chinese .... For 2016: the economy of the Russian Federation is 8 times that of the Chinese (according to official statistics of the People's Republic of China, but it is underestimated traditionally), and that’s out of the question ( absolute expression), and in product terms, it is ten times weaker! Such dynamics * of patriots * strongly warps, they say: * we should have been in their place *, banal envy ...
      1. marshes
        marshes 29 July 2016 19: 40
        0
        Quote: Karlovar
        Skepticism is envy ...

        You have the Czechs after the collapse of the USSR, hands from the ass ... began to grow.
        Java 10, 350 cc altogether a chic moto produced.
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar 29 July 2016 20: 40
          -4
          Wabzeta, I’m not a workshop ... And I left Russia exactly on the topic of the large number of patriots, cattle, Natsik, household thieves, in addition to the large matte thieves community ..
          1. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian 29 July 2016 20: 57
            +1
            And he left Russia precisely on the topic of the large number of patriots, cattle, Natsik,
            Didn’t you go to the brothers Ketaitsam? There sitsas lives Karasho ...
            1. Karlovar
              Karlovar 29 July 2016 22: 33
              0
              The Ketaic brother-in-law have a very long time to live, don’t have enough money until they earn money ... A 4-year-old Ketai man, who is very smart, speaks English, German, and Spanish.
              1. marshes
                marshes 29 July 2016 22: 55
                0
                Quote: Karlovar
                The Ketaic brother-in-law have a very long time to live, don’t have enough money until they earn money ... A 4-year-old Ketai man, who is very smart, speaks English, German, and Spanish.

                The Chinese, from Shanghai and Hong Kong, Hong Kong, speak pretty well in plain English.
                1. Karlovar
                  Karlovar 30 July 2016 10: 26
                  0
                  A familiar aunt in Nyörka is yawning and working. Chinese patients come to her and caress her in Chinese, knowing English ... In France, many dragged English, but they don’t speak it fundamentally, you speak English to them, they speak French to you. In China, this is the sitowina. Yes, Hong Kong and Hong Kong are not one and the same ???
                  1. Alex_Tug
                    Alex_Tug 30 July 2016 10: 38
                    0
                    In France, many drag English, but they don’t speak it fundamentally, you speak English to them, they speak French to you.


                    For France, you need to learn a few phrases in French:
                    -to say hello
                    - say some compliment (learn 3-4 pieces)
                    Then you can switch to English. They will answer. Passed by.
              2. Anglorussian
                Anglorussian 30 July 2016 00: 01
                -2
                So if comrades do not help? In exchange for propaganda in the camp of the enemy? Tolley is the case of gayropeyts-tolerasty-russophobes Czechs. Soon there will be only refugees from the grub, not like in the eternal celestial wassat .
          2. marshes
            marshes 29 July 2016 21: 16
            -4
            Quote: Karlovar
            Wabzeta, I’m not a workshop ... And I left Russia exactly on the topic of the large number of patriots, cattle, Natsik, household thieves, in addition to the large matte thieves community ..

            What kind of pornography are you doing, put a three-cylinder 75 horse engine and front-wheel drive on the ETI body? And the price that you can take 2.4 liters of RAF 4 Toyota to take in full mincemeat.
            Perverts !.
            B. Lyat you Electronics So did not learn to do, even save on wires and chips.
            1. Karlovar
              Karlovar 29 July 2016 22: 41
              0
              Well, take RAFIKA! Who raps? And about electronics, it’s not you who criticizes ... And 75 lozenges and a front-wheel drive, and Skoda, a good offer for nisebrods, is clearly not for an IT techie.
              1. marshes
                marshes 29 July 2016 22: 56
                -1
                Quote: Karlovar
                Well, take RAFIKA! Who raps? And about electronics, it’s not you who criticizes ... And 75 lozenges and a front-wheel drive, and Skoda, a good offer for nisebrods, is clearly not for an IT techie.

                Rafik took 14 goda.in Omsk for 28 thousand, full "minced meat".
                1. Karlovar
                  Karlovar 30 July 2016 10: 30
                  0
                  Businesman surreal on the new Q7, X5, G500 drive ...
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 29 July 2016 21: 13
        0
        Quote: Karlovar
        He is skeptical of envy ... For 1989: the economy of the USSR is 10 times that of the Chinese .... For 2016: the economy of the Russian Federation is 8 times that of the Chinese (according to official statistics of the People's Republic of China, but it is underestimated traditionally), and that’s out of the question ( absolute expression), and in product terms, it is ten times weaker! Such dynamics * of patriots * strongly warps, they say: * we should have been in their place *, banal envy ...

        Dear, you again ate something wrong or turned on the telly. Turn off and listen here! WE have never envied anyone and will not. We can afford it. Because we live in the freest and most correct country. And the dependents come across abroad. Hence your nonsense.
        1. In 1989 USSR GDP = China's GDP.
        2. For 2016 China's GDP is 5 times that of Russia. And we do not complex, unlike you.
        3. In 1850, China's GDP was 50% of the world's GDP.
        4. Do you think I’m worth it? Junior huyvebin.
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar 29 July 2016 23: 00
          0
          After 1850, there were the Opium Wars, revolutions, the Civil War, and a heap of intervention of the united great daring in China, not forcefully promoted the economy. China's real GDP — not declared — the Chinese said? And is this the GDP with or without Hong Kong and Macau? Yes, and PPP GDP in the know? As for 1989, I got excited, I had in mind 1972 ... And here is the question: how dumb Chinese people managed to have 1850% of the world’s GDP in 50 ???? And in the year 1650 they must have had more than 50% of the world’s GDP. .. And here is the question: who in the 90s envied the West for the MacDucks, Coke, jinsins, kozanks, Amareto, Zuvatsky ??? And who merged his country for the above?
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 30 July 2016 14: 59
            0
            Quote: Karlovar
            After 1850, there were the Opium Wars, revolutions, the Civil War, and a heap of intervention of the united great daring in China, not forcefully promoted the economy. China's real GDP — not declared — the Chinese said? And is this the GDP with or without Hong Kong and Macau? Yes, and PPP GDP in the know? As for 1989, I got excited, I had in mind 1972 ... And here is the question: how dumb Chinese people managed to have 1850% of the world’s GDP in 50 ???? And in the year 1650 they must have had more than 50% of the world’s GDP. .. And here is the question: who in the 90s envied the West for the MacDucks, Coke, jinsins, kozanks, Amareto, Zuvatsky ??? And who merged his country for the above?

            Sorry, I was wrong too and got excited too. I believe that I behaved no longer adequately. Dot.
            1. About 1850. I reminded you that you would not forget that GDP is not the most important thing. In your competition with the United States, you are betraying critical numbers. Experience doesn't teach you. It's not about the "red devil", the problem is in you. Well, this is not our business at all and we are not there. To teach a scientist only to spoil. And the Chinese are great scientists (no kidding), but ...
            2. I will try, remembering your origin (peasant, proletarian, FOREIGN) will be expressed correctly and clearly.
            In front of my nose, not a single not good person put "McDuckie, Cola, jinsy, kozanki, Amareto, zuvatski" and did not ask: do you want? And there was no question of a dilemma or-or even before the Soviet people.
            3. Therefore, if you want to understand how and why the destruction of our Great country happened, communicate with our people. And do not listen to our and your "specialists". (in the meantime, it seems to be not important, just ask a curious question: how do they relate to Stalin? and information on the corresponding shelf)
            4. I have been talking with you for so long since I’m to blame. And you wouldn’t. Yuan.
  13. yuriy55
    yuriy55 29 July 2016 18: 25
    +1
    The development of China's economy can be studied in terms of improving your own. As for the words about "breaking Americans", sorry hi , but these phrases, said with and without expressions against the background of the growth of the dollar, look silly and ridiculous. Apparently, the main "lumberjack" did not decide which edge to start from. winked So the rumors of imminent death so far are based on stupidities and mistakes that American politics makes ... Only America does not rule the world No. , and, as is known from history, each king had jokes for various kinds of entertainment wassat The sooner we understand this, the faster our Russian affairs will go uphill. yes
  14. Verdun
    Verdun 29 July 2016 18: 32
    +1
    I wonder why the US does not consider fat as a dual-use product. After all, the very fat can be used for a sandwich, and one place to grease the adversary if necessary ... repeat
  15. Belarus
    Belarus 29 July 2016 18: 51
    0
    What a brilliant discovery laughing American sanctions in particular bypass all who needs it and is profitable. Maybe I'm wrong, but in my opinion the economy is like a game of poker to some extent.
  16. Machete
    Machete 29 July 2016 19: 14
    +1
    Deceived the poor Americans!
    What a bad Chinese ...
  17. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 29 July 2016 19: 16
    +1
    Well done Chinese! And then on our AI-24 (Ukrainian, sorry) you will not fly far. I remember flying to Vilnius. The left engine - 650, the right - 830 liters per hour consumption ... Damn, now I will pull Mikhail Chernoy out and see if the consumption is in kilograms. SCLEROSIS! (Black Mikhail, our teacher is a school of higher flight training and a flight-navigational school.), - the textbook AIR NAVIGATION (Self-driving) was published many times.
    1. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 29 July 2016 20: 16
      0
      pafegosoff
      The left engine - 650, the right - 830 liters per hour consumption ...


      Consumption in kilograms. But that’s not the point, the numbers themselves.
      Modern engines of this class should feed at 180 USD per hour.
      Overheated 2-3 times. Happy times of the Union. Kerosene was not considered.
    2. D. Dan
      D. Dan 29 July 2016 20: 30
      0
      It should be in kg, because the volume of fuel and lubricants is unstable, it depends on the temperature!
    3. D. Dan
      D. Dan 29 July 2016 20: 50
      0
      By the way, call me - I put a minus by mistake, because with a smart phone I poke my phone, here, I went into profile for this and instructed Comrade Pafegosov more than dohua pluses! 20+ somewhere;)
  18. individual
    individual 29 July 2016 19: 17
    +3
    China is a very follower.
    At first I learned to breed successfully.
    Then he took all the best from the Soviet Union.
    Then he began to take world technology: everything around that is bad.
    Mostly Africa, he has already mastered, Central Asia is on the way.
    But most importantly, Beijing has found a worthy application for all this.
    He doesn’t get involved in anything, does not take sharp steps, but goes to his goal with a quiet glanders.
    Huge plans!
    THIS IS THERE IS HYBRID DEVELOPMENT OF ITS STATE, ITS PEOPLE!
    1. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 29 July 2016 20: 22
      0

      THIS IS AND IS THE HYBRID DEVELOPMENT OF ITS STATE


      So, they have an overseer. And there is no maratorium on the death penalty. Periodically shows: you steal - steal, but do not get carried away too much.
    2. D. Dan
      D. Dan 29 July 2016 20: 51
      0
      I just breathe in with the words "we would be so" ...
  19. Sergey333
    Sergey333 29 July 2016 19: 56
    +2
    Well done Chinese, absolutely no principles where they managed, they snatched there.
  20. APASUS
    APASUS 29 July 2016 20: 02
    +4
    A case in point is China, the state is not only strong in the armed forces, but also in the economy. The Americans bark, but they cannot do anything to China. Here is the answer to where Russia should go.
    Do you know why our Olympians were treated like this? Yes, because they all clearly calculated Russia's weak spot. There is something to cling to and Mudko is more likely to hold on to a chair than a sport in Russia. I think in China such a hat didn’t work, there the authorities would react instantly
    1. D. Dan
      D. Dan 29 July 2016 20: 52
      +1
      Well and subtly noticed!
  21. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 29 July 2016 22: 54
    0
    It’s ridiculous even how the Chinese are tidying up their affairs, putting the USA and Canada in a stupid position. After all, the Chinese can easily do this with us.