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“Tank Fever” in North Africa

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Algeria and Morocco, which are in rather difficult relations, continue to modernize their armies, with a special focus on renewal tank troops, reports Messenger of Mordovia.


“Tank Fever” in North Africa


“The Moroccan army, which has a varied fleet of vehicles, consisting of outdated Austrian, American and Soviet vehicles, seems to be unhappy with the recent acquisition of one hundred and fifty Chinese MBT 2000, and therefore gratefully accepted the used American Abrams as part of the military assistance program” - writes the author of the article Lev Romanov.



All in all, Moroccans should get about 220 machines withdrawn from the presence of US Ground Forces.

Almost simultaneously with the supply of M1A1SA to Morocco, neighboring Algeria began to receive Russian T-90CA, the total number of which should reach 500 units.



“Tanks of new lots differ from the machines previously delivered to North Africa, first of all by the Shtora-1 optical-electronic countermeasures installed on them,” the author notes.

According to Romanov, referring to expert opinion, "Algerian T-90CA tanks are superior to Moroccan M1A1SA." "Gift" copies are deprived of the fact that they have combat vehicles that are in service with the US Army. "We are talking about the so-called" uranium armor "and shells with uranium cores, the export of which is strictly prohibited," - the article says.



“T-90CA is superior to the“ American ”in most characteristics, which was demonstrated during tests in the desert, when the Russian machine went around not only the Chinese MBT 2000, which“ crumbled before our eyes, ”but also a more advanced version of the Abrams - M1А2”, - writes "Herald".

Despite the less powerful engine (1 ths. Versus 1,5 ths. Hp), the Russian tank, having a smaller mass, then demonstrated “better mobility characteristics and greater power reserve”.



“The presence of the air conditioner provided the crew with normal living conditions. The fact that the fire control system is equipped with a target tracking machine, and the Blind-1 can counteract laser rangefinder sights, gives the T-90CA a significant advantage in dueling situations. In addition, our tank surpasses the export versions of the Abrams in terms of its security characteristics, ”the publication says.



All this gives grounds to assert that the Algerian tank forces are currently at the qualitative level the best on the African continent, the author concludes.
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  1. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 29 July 2016 14: 17
    +40
    I am glad from this news this moment: - "In total, the Moroccans should receive about 220 vehicles withdrawn from the presence of the US Ground Forces."
    The fewer tanks a likely enemy has, the better!
    And of course, an order for Uralvagonzavod for 500 T-90SA units.
    1. sq
      sq 29 July 2016 14: 40
      +7
      [quote = Sith Lord] The fewer tanks a potential enemy has, the better! [/ quote
      I'm afraid you're not quite right. Tanks are sent older models, and in their place will be acquired the latest
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 29 July 2016 14: 49
        +19
        Quote: kvm
        I'm afraid you're not quite right. Tanks are sent older models, and in their place will be acquired the latest

        They are not purchased, moreover, one of the plants has stopped, and the second one makes upgrading out of stock. The Pentagon ate ate agreed to modernization, so that the second plant would not stop. They haven’t been releasing new tanks for a long time, they are only upgrading old ones. In fact, they completely redo the tank.
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 29 July 2016 20: 13
          +6
          The states generally curtail the production of conventional weapons. Either technologically difficult, or more likely. rely on IT technology. Motivated by the fact that who owns information and its flows, he owns the world. And in this, there is something. It is enough to recall that almost all color revolutions have recently been arranged and supported through social networks. Indeed, why fight with the enemy when it is enough to arrange a revolution with him.
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 30 July 2016 23: 21
            +5
            Quote: Orionvit
            Motivated by the fact that who owns information and its flows, he owns the world. And in this, there is something.

            Huh ... nonsense! You can’t stop the tank system unit.

            Quote: Orionvit
            It is enough to recall that almost all color revolutions have recently been arranged and supported through social networks.

            The role of social networks is greatly exaggerated, this "thesis" about the role of Facebook imposes the idea that revolutions are made by the people. With the help of the most "democratic" social network. This is not how revolutions are arranged. And to stop such "revolutionaries", by the way, tanks can very quickly.
            1. vkfriendly
              vkfriendly 31 July 2016 15: 42
              0
              Quite right, a revolution needs money, no money, no revolutions. Only the laymen think that the lower classes can make a revolution. (The word "go..t" is banned automatically)
            2. piokor03
              piokor03 1 August 2016 09: 27
              0
              I agree the Internet is quite simply turned off. But revolutions do not occur because the people went out there and overthrew someone there ... but because in this country there is a weak, non-independent government, afraid to take responsibility.
      2. Lord_Bran
        Lord_Bran 29 July 2016 21: 44
        +5
        I can’t get a clue: both plants where Abrams were previously produced are no longer produced. Absolutely. WHERE will they get the new cars? Yes, and the old ones were in different versions produced about 10K pieces. A lot, of course, but not an infinite amount. New tanks have nowhere to take. Attention, the question: what are Americans counting on when they sell an old fleet of vehicles with a mob. warehouses?
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 30 July 2016 23: 24
          +1
          Quote: Lord_Bran
          Attention, the question: what are Americans counting on when they sell an old fleet of vehicles with a mob. warehouses?

          The fact that there is no military force on both American continents that is dangerous for the United States. And they hope to solve the issue with tanks "from overseas" with a vigorous bomb. And in general, they rely more on aviation.
    2. poquello
      poquello 29 July 2016 14: 40
      +3
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      ...
      And of course, an order for Uralvagonzavod for 500 T-90SA units.

      if only the tankmen were bm
    3. Bkmz
      Bkmz 29 July 2016 14: 55
      +3
      It is debatable here, there are fewer tanks on THEIR territory, but their tanks are closer to potential theater of operations.
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 29 July 2016 15: 07
      +7
      For Algeria, you can be calm. The invasion of "democracy" from neighboring Libya does not threaten. Iran would have sponsored 200-300 pieces with the Syrian crews trained by us. It would be much calmer.
      1. vkfriendly
        vkfriendly 31 July 2016 15: 56
        -2
        Syria has almost 5000 pieces
    5. 73bor
      73bor 29 July 2016 15: 53
      +3
      If the gift "Abrams" from the presence of the US Army then this is not an export one!
    6. Aleksandr69
      Aleksandr69 29 July 2016 16: 09
      +4
      but if the Americans were to spend 220 tanks for storage, it would be even better
      1. Dm-sl
        Dm-sl 30 July 2016 16: 34
        +5
        Whose means? The amers have not had their money for a long time, we pay for all their expenses, including us. I bought a dollar - supported by Pen-dos-tan. And it’s not your own money to rush with other people's money.
    7. Pushkar77
      Pushkar77 29 July 2016 19: 54
      +3
      Fighting in Syria is the best advertisement for our T-90 tanks, it’s a pity, of course, that the T-90MS weren’t put into operation, this is the pinnacle of the development of the entire T-72 platform.
    8. Brain Yurich
      Brain Yurich 30 July 2016 20: 25
      +2
      500 tanks is approximately 1,3 billion. dollars to the treasury. at the current rate, a pretty amount.
    9. dvaposto
      dvaposto 1 August 2016 02: 56
      0
      and the same money.
  2. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson 29 July 2016 14: 20
    +27
    Africa is generally ideal for the development of this kind of troops)
    They are getting rid of Abrams at a fast pace, or is it already a trend such as in a store, when you take a printer costing 1 of their cartridge to refill it, use the printer until the paint runs out, and then MAINTENANCE gets a pretty penny, it’s easier to throw this printer out and buy a NEW one )))
    1. ML-334
      ML-334 29 July 2016 14: 36
      +12
      About the printer to the point.
      1. Stena
        Stena 29 July 2016 17: 02
        +1
        Quote: ML-334
        About the printer to the point.

        Why buy a new cartridge? Perezalil paint and - respect - use further. You can use 4 times one cartridge ...
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 29 July 2016 17: 34
          +5
          Why buy a new cartridge?
          the tank is not a cartridge, you can’t reload it, new parts are needed, but this is what the Americans are trying to achieve.
        2. Zulu_S
          Zulu_S 30 July 2016 03: 17
          +4
          Quote: Stena
          Why buy a new cartridge? Perezalil paint and - respect - use further. You can use 4 times one cartridge ...

          I heard tales that you can use old condoms. Repeatedly.
          1. aba
            aba 30 July 2016 12: 33
            0
            I heard tales that you can use old condoms. Repeatedly.

            Can! But without a guarantee ... And if Toko wash! laughing
        3. aba
          aba 30 July 2016 12: 32
          +1
          You can use 4 times one cartridge ...

          At Canon, I refilled the PG-512BK cartridge with a capacity of 15 ml in a 100 ml ink bottle in black. The cartridge failed on the second bottle.
        4. Aqela
          Aqela 30 July 2016 16: 20
          0
          I’ve factory at Canon, my native cartridge loaded 10 times, though after the 6th time I had to change the shaft ...
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 29 July 2016 18: 28
        0
        But I think, the glory of Libya does not give them peace?
  3. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 29 July 2016 14: 30
    +3
    "Gift" copies are deprived of what the combat vehicles in service with the US Army have. "We are talking about the so-called" uranium armor "and shells with uranium cores, the export of which is strictly prohibited"

    But the "economy" will be more whole laughing
  4. desyatka
    desyatka 29 July 2016 14: 32
    0
    less smart electronics, higher reliability - the principle of our machines.
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 29 July 2016 16: 44
      +4
      In our military equipment, smart electronics are no less than in the western one.
      We use a different principle of building systems.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 30 July 2016 21: 44
        +1
        Quote: desyatka
        less smart electronics, higher reliability - the principle of our machines.

        By your logic, you should return to the ISins - they do not have smart electronics at all and therefore the absolute reliability ...
  5. Signore Tomato
    Signore Tomato 29 July 2016 14: 33
    +6
    Five hundred Russian tanks is 5!
  6. Altona
    Altona 29 July 2016 14: 35
    +4
    Algeria still has to buy dozens of Su-35s, Russian air defense systems, boats with Club-K missiles, and you can go to conquer France. This is judging by the tone of the author of the article.
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 29 July 2016 14: 48
      +9
      Quote: Altona
      Algeria still has to buy dozens of Su-35s, Russian air defense systems, boats with Club-K missiles, and you can go to conquer France. This is judging by the tone of the author of the article.

      Knowing the military skills of the peoples of North Africa, with the same success, this technique can simply be presented to France.
      1. GAF
        GAF 29 July 2016 16: 12
        +10
        Quote: Verdun
        Knowing the military skills of the peoples of North Africa, with the same success, this technique can simply be presented to France.

        But you are in vain saying this. Won the war with the metropolis - France. In the late 70s, he worked in Algeria for 4 years. There was a "strange" war with Morocco for the disputed territories in the Sahara. There are a lot of military camps in which our people helped to master the most modern technology at that time. As an example, MiG-27s, which have recently entered our Air Force, were demonstrated at the parade. I remember it for the enthusiastic reaction of local students. There was a failure in relations after the death of the USSR and a civil war. Now we need to restore everything. The people are good and the country occupies a strategic position.
        1. PKK
          PKK 29 July 2016 16: 51
          +4
          Well, if we help the good-natured people, otherwise all the dill, the nasty dill, are simply tired of it.
        2. PKK
          PKK 29 July 2016 16: 51
          -1
          Well, if we help the good-natured people, otherwise all the dill, the nasty dill, are simply tired of it.
        3. Verdun
          Verdun 29 July 2016 16: 53
          +2
          Quote: GAF
          But this is what you say in vain. Won the war with the mother country - France.

          Well then, how could France, recently freed from the Germans, win something? And then, there de Gaulle’s decision played a role, rather than real hostilities.
          It is full of military camps in which ours helped to master the most modern equipment at that time.
          We not only helped to master this technique, but also fought on it sometimes. repeat
          1. GAF
            GAF 29 July 2016 20: 09
            0
            Quote: Verdun
            Well then, how could France, recently freed from the Germans, win something? And then, there de Gaulle’s decision played a role, rather than real hostilities.

            In light of the weakness of France, see the date of the declaration of independence of Algeria. And what could he do even though Algeria was not a colony, but an overseas department. The war was serious. I don’t know the French losses, but the other side lost more than a million combatants and forests burned by the French.
            Quote: Verdun
            We not only helped to master this technique, but also fought on it sometimes.

            Believe me, this was not, and why and where. It was a strange war, which, while living in the western district, I had never heard of in communication with students and the population, but only in the media and sometimes, when it was necessary, from our military specialists and somehow everything was in a playful form.
          2. Zulu_S
            Zulu_S 30 July 2016 03: 35
            +1
            Quote: Verdun

            Well then, how could France, recently freed from the Germans, win something?

            For reference: the war for the independence of Algeria - 1954-1962.
            Quote: Verdun
            And then, there de Gaulle’s decision played a role, rather than real hostilities.

            Also me, they found the good-natured. Algeria - this is not to drive students in 1968.
        4. aba
          aba 30 July 2016 12: 37
          0
          It's good! But if only the principle would not work If in the first act a gun hangs on the wall, then in the last act it will definitely shoot
    2. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 29 July 2016 18: 27
      +1
      Altona
      Algeria still has to buy dozens of Su-35s, Russian air defense systems, boats with Club-K missiles, and you can go to conquer France.


      More on the topic.
      Algeria signed a contract for the supply of Skif anti-tank missile systems (ATGMs) from Ukraine. This is reported by the Algerian military blog MENADefense.
      The publication noted that the Algerian military acquired a batch of complexes recently, but does not provide details on the volume of planned deliveries.
      ATGM “Skiff” was developed at the State Kyiv Design Bureau “Luch” in 2005. Later, with the participation of the Belarusian company Peleng, a version of Skif-M was created, the Belarusian side was developing an aiming complex with a thermal imager. Guidance system - on a laser beam with automatic target tracking. Firing range up to five kilometers.
      The Skif is equipped with 130 and 152 mm caliber rockets with tandem cumulative (RK-2S, RK-2M-K) and high-explosive fragmentation (RK-2OF, RK-2M-OF) combat units. Penetration according to the developer - from 800 to 1100 millimeters of equivalent homogeneous armor for dynamic protection.
      The complex is in service with the ground forces of Belarus and transferred for testing to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Also delivered to Azerbaijan and Georgia.

      PySy. Something muddy judging by the last paragraph.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 30 July 2016 21: 49
        0
        Wouldn't it be better to order our Metis? Famous name in the arms market. And not some unfamiliar Skif there ...
  7. uskrabut
    uskrabut 29 July 2016 14: 35
    +5
    Merikos junk shoved for nothing, and now they will begin to milk the Moroccans: then train the crews, then deliver spare parts with ammunition, then they will offer modernization. And all this comes out on Moroccan blood money much more expensive than zero T-90.
    1. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 29 July 2016 15: 19
      0
      uskrabut
      then they will offer modernization.


      If they do not become combat losses.
      How the chip will fall.
  8. Fitter65
    Fitter65 29 July 2016 14: 39
    +11
    500 T-90 tanks, this is how many people our foreign customers provide work. God forbid that everything was so, and the tanks were ordered, and people would make them, and the plant would develop, and the city would flourish, etc., etc. . good drinks
    1. Dulat
      Dulat 29 July 2016 14: 46
      +4
      And God forbid that these tanks should not fight, but become a means of intimidation
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 July 2016 14: 40
    +3
    Algeria is gaining serious power. Well, we are not bad.
  10. Skubudu
    Skubudu 29 July 2016 14: 41
    +6
    Algerians will test their new Mi-28NE on Abrashki
  11. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson 29 July 2016 14: 44
    +2
    I remembered Singapore, where the Ministry of Defense has a direct passion for tanks, their overabundance, and they all order and update the park. And here is the African table, where 2-5 tank brigades will simply be lost, and they will certainly not be superfluous in any hypothetical conflict.
  12. Arkan
    Arkan 29 July 2016 14: 58
    0
    Chinese military consumer goods, cheap, but the quality of technology is poor.
  13. mpzss
    mpzss 29 July 2016 14: 59
    0
    well, then the moment of truth will come, though the abrams are not new, but still
  14. Lanista
    Lanista 29 July 2016 15: 14
    0
    It would be interesting to look at the real confrontation of these machines.
    1. Bashibuzuk
      Bashibuzuk 29 July 2016 15: 23
      0
      Well, when will they start fighting?
      It would be interesting to assess who is who and how.
      It is a pity only, the level of training is unknown there tankmen.
      So .... those who are more comfortable driving in the tank will win, the air conditioning is there, Pepsi-Cola, gulls with a hookah.
      And all sorts of twists and turns - the tenth matter. For them.
      1. Verdun
        Verdun 29 July 2016 15: 59
        0
        Quote: Bashibuzuk
        And all sorts of twists and turns - the tenth matter. For them.

        Do you know how many extra parts there are in the tank? About this in my time, you would probably be able to tell the fighters of the Far Eastern tank divisions, using plastic, which are lined with tanks from the inside for protection from radiation, for making covers for demobilization albums. laughing
        1. Bashibuzuk
          Bashibuzuk 29 July 2016 16: 10
          0
          Duc, these are our "grandfathers" are ready to do anything from anything.
          Every bast in the line, as they say.
          I won’t be surprised if they didn’t dazzle from depleted uranium either ... for force, because of its gravity.
          And the Zulus ... or there the Moors ... are lazy, damn it.
          They are not familiar with the demobilization spirit.
          Barbarians, Cho take them.
          Negroes, the only word.
        2. kirgiz58
          kirgiz58 30 July 2016 11: 48
          +1
          The heels of tarpaulin boots can be called plastic rather than "neutrino lining". So it was called for brevity. And they look like; 3-5cm. (In thickness) sheets of the densest rubber, attached from the inside with special fasteners, which is not so easy to remove. Such harsh Far Eastern tankers that they cut the lining sheets lengthwise into albums. belay
          1. Parsec
            Parsec 30 July 2016 12: 07
            +1
            Quote: kirgiz58
            The heels of tarpaulin boots can be called plastic rather than "neutrino lining".


            Even the tankers knew that neutrinos could not be stopped, and they called it "neutron lining".
            Fashion was then neutron bombs.
  15. Bayun
    Bayun 29 July 2016 19: 07
    0
    It is strange why the tanks are not equipped with an external fire extinguishing system from Molotov cocktails. They have already learned how to intercept shells and missiles, but nothing has been invented against the "stupid bottle".
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 30 July 2016 21: 53
      0
      In this regard, it’s much more convenient for ZPU - it’s great for treating alcoholic drinks with a bottle from extra brainless boxes.
  16. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 29 July 2016 20: 36
    0
    The more weapons we sell abroad, the more there will be revenues in the treasury, that means there will be money for research and development, the defense industry and the armed forces as a whole will be modernized. Let them buy, we will sell Moroko if they ask.
  17. slavick1969
    slavick1969 29 July 2016 20: 56
    +1
    as soon as possible, they would supply us in such quantity
  18. Ze Kot
    Ze Kot 29 July 2016 21: 49
    0
    "All this gives grounds to assert that the Algerian tank forces are currently the best on the African continent, the author concludes. "

    Comparing the presence of Algerian and Moroccan tanks, the author made such conclusions? Rave...
    1. Retvizan
      Retvizan 30 July 2016 12: 38
      0
      Duc advertising is the engine of trade. Those are free (although all the same they will have to spend money) and this is for money. And hypothetically, Prokhorovka was presented in AFRIC between countries. Yes, I will bet more on South Africa than on Algeria. It is another matter that neither South Africa nor Algeria and Morocco will yet meet in a tank battle, and there are no more tank battles.
      Here is such a hidden advertisement of UVZ and urapatriotizma.
      The trouble is that the main thing in tanks is not always the filling ... but the crew. And the organization of processes is more important than TTX! And why did the author decide that the fever began? They did not stop there.
      1. Ze Kot
        Ze Kot 1 August 2016 22: 52
        0
        So I put in South Africa.
  19. Freeman
    Freeman 29 July 2016 22: 47
    +1
    Quote: polkovnik manuch
    The more weapons we sell abroad, the more there will be revenues in the treasury, that means there will be money for research and development, the defense industry and the armed forces as a whole will be modernized. Let them buy, we will sell Moroko if they ask.


    "The devil is in the details" - in the note there is not a word "at whose expense the banquet".
    We sell for "real" money or, as always, through a state loan - which we will then write off?
    "Defense" will receive its money - and that's good.
    But buying imaginary loyalty at the expense of its citizens - maybe enough? recourse
  20. Fei_Wong
    Fei_Wong 30 July 2016 05: 48
    0
    Quote: Lord_Bran
    I can’t get a clue: both plants where Abrams were previously produced are no longer produced. Absolutely. WHERE will they get the new cars? Yes, and the old ones were in different versions produced about 10K pieces. A lot, of course, but not an infinite amount. New tanks have nowhere to take. Attention, the question: what are Americans counting on when they sell an old fleet of vehicles with a mob. warehouses?

    Of course, on their chain dogs - NATO countries. Here and there tanks are still being produced. And the owner just needs to whistle and throw a bone.
  21. Phosgene
    Phosgene 30 July 2016 13: 25
    +2
    It is necessary for the own army to purchase T-90MS, not T-72
  22. Backfire
    Backfire 30 July 2016 17: 31
    0
    Great news! It is good that we supply tanks to other countries and provide work for our plants.
  23. Hauptam
    Hauptam 31 July 2016 11: 13
    0
    Even the new Abrams, in desert conditions, with their GTD barrier air filter, a losing option, proved in practice, 20 minutes of travel and stop - filter cleaning with crowbars.
  24. dvaposto
    dvaposto 1 August 2016 02: 55
    0
    give war between Algeria and Morocco. it is necessary to evaluate real effectiveness somehow?
    Africa is waiting for the Maidan. Turchinov and Yatsenyuk there urgently - let them immediately find padded jackets. while I'm driving for chips.
  25. Brigadier
    Brigadier 1 August 2016 14: 01
    0
    And at the same time, we will check our cars ... And we will upgrade, based on this check ...
  26. Denis Lebedev
    Denis Lebedev 1 August 2016 16: 04
    0
    Soon, and beyond Armata, the line will be built)