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India plans to upgrade 194 fighters Su-30MKI

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India accelerated negotiations with Russia on the implementation of the X-NUMX modernization program for Su-194MKI fighters worth $ 30 billion, the portal reports. Defense News.




It is noted that the Ministry of Defense of India plans to bring the level of these fighters to 5-generation airplanes. The updated car will receive the name Super Dry.

"The Russian delegation was in New Delhi at the beginning of July to discuss the modernization of aircraft, the contract should be concluded within the next four to six months," - leads the publication of the word of its source in the defense department.

According to him, in total, India is planning to upgrade 272 fighters. He is confident that this program “will not damage the project of joint development of the fifth generation FGFA fighter” worth $ 25 billion.

There is another opinion. For example, marshal aviation Mathumanikam, a retired Mathswara, said that "the modernization of the Su-30 will definitely slow down the FGFA project." In his opinion, the Indian Air Force will prefer "maximum modernization of the Su-30" to the new FGFA, the creation of which will cost the state much more.

Another representative of the Air Force believes that the upgraded Su-30 can not be compared with FGFA, and that both projects will be implemented in parallel.

“FGFA has a number of features that Super Sukhoi doesn’t have. They include the internal placement of weapons, improved stealth indicators, integrated combat electronic system, cruising speed at supersonic. Su-30 can not be converted into inconspicuous aircraft. Any alteration of the wing and materials of the aircraft to increase stealth will be very expensive and time consuming, and almost equal to the new project. Thus, the FGFA project as a whole cannot be closed due to the modernization of the Su-30, ”he explained.

In turn, a certain Russian diplomat in New Delhi allegedly told the publication that “the contract for the modernization of aircraft in the Super Sukhoi version has already been signed, the prototype will be made in Russia, and the modernization itself will be carried out at the facilities of the Indian state-owned company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited”.
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  1. gray smeet
    gray smeet 28 July 2016 13: 13
    +31
    From this mutt, it is only clear that the Indians are ready to pay money and this is already good.
    1. Byshido_dis
      Byshido_dis 28 July 2016 13: 45
      +16
      Geopolitically, India has never had and will never have "contiguous" interests with Russia; in fact, we will never be at enmity with India. Therefore, everyone is doing the right thing. And these 5 lards with a high ruble exchange rate, we will find where to put. For the same T50, for example, or hundreds of 3-4 Armats we will order from our factories, and these are wages and jobs. In general, well done what can I say! Keep it up! Our weapons are the best in the world!
      1. Rokossovsky
        Rokossovsky 28 July 2016 14: 42
        +22
        Quote: Byshido_dis
        Geopolitically, India has never had and will never have "contiguous" interests with Russia; in fact, we will never be at enmity with India. Therefore, everyone is doing the right thing. And these 5 lards with a high ruble exchange rate, we will find where to put. For the same T50, for example, or hundreds of 3-4 Armats we will order from our factories, and these are wages and jobs. In general, well done what can I say! Keep it up! Our weapons are the best in the world!

        The money, as we have done in recent years, 10, will be spent on American securities and will settle there! Do not have illusions ...
        1. kos2910
          kos2910 28 July 2016 15: 47
          +10
          Quote: Rokossovsky
          will be spent on American valuable

          Sometimes they spend, I do not argue, but do not notice the trend of accumulation of monetary gold? we will overcome 1500t soon, and here just the Americans are not happy. With a quiet heron, the structure of gold reserves is steadily changing towards monetary gold rather than pieces of paper. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D1%80%
          D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B2
          1. Verdun
            Verdun 28 July 2016 17: 37
            +7
            Quote: kos2910

            Sometimes they spend, I do not argue, but do not notice the trend of accumulation of monetary gold? we will overcome 1500t soon, and here just the Americans are not happy

            Money is only worth something if it is invested in the country's economy and works. How's the classic?
            Do not hide your money in banks and corners
            ? And the golden toilet bowls shoved over the zashniks are nothing more than show-offs for the raptures of the minds of short-sighted and shortsighted ones.
        2. NIKNN
          NIKNN 28 July 2016 15: 51
          +3
          . $ 194 billion worth of modernization programs for 30 Su-8MKI fighters, Defense News reports.

          As I understand it, we will get far fewer lards since
          . the prototype will be made in Russia, and the modernization itself will be carried out at the facilities of the Indian state company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. ”

          At the expense of modernization, probably the level of modernization is secret and assumptions like:
          integrated combat electronic system

          do not put unfounded. Why not put, even the next generation or NATO
          1. Verdun
            Verdun 28 July 2016 17: 44
            +3
            Quote: NIKNN

            At the expense of modernization, probably the level of modernization is secret

            No matter how secret he is! One of the basic requirements for the so-called fifth generation aircraft is the possibility of a long flight at a speed exceeding the speed of sound. On the Su-30MKI, neither engines nor the airframe design allow this requirement to be realized. So to write about modernization to the level of fifth-generation aircraft is at least strange.
            1. NIKNN
              NIKNN 28 July 2016 20: 30
              +2
              Quote: Verdun
              So to write about modernization to the level of fifth-generation aircraft is at least strange.


              Yes, I don’t argue, of course you won’t create one from the Su30 T50, but at the level of avionics it is quite possible to adjust yourself to any generation. :)
        3. Backfire
          Backfire 28 July 2016 17: 50
          +1
          Let's hope. that this money will not settle again in US papers,
    2. Dam
      Dam 28 July 2016 13: 45
      +3
      There is a problem, they really do not know what they need and change TK and their Wishlist often, too often. Wait and see, so the money is not superfluous at all
    3. seti
      seti 28 July 2016 13: 53
      0
      On the topic-without the help of Russia that will not do well.
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 28 July 2016 14: 08
      +1
      Come to us, billions)). laughing
    5. Pavel1
      Pavel1 28 July 2016 14: 53
      +5
      according to the picture, they want to tilt the keels and create an internal compartment between the gondolas. These are serious alterations, but interesting, because tilting the keels reduces the visibility of the aircraft, and creating an internal compartment means increasing drag, which will reduce the speed and maneuverability of the aircraft. Let's see what happens.
      1. DarkMatter
        DarkMatter 28 July 2016 14: 58
        +3
        Quote: Paul1
        according to the picture, they want to tilt the keels and create an internal compartment between the gondolas. These are serious alterations, but interesting, because tilting the keels reduces the visibility of the aircraft, and creating an internal compartment means increasing drag, which will reduce the speed and maneuverability of the aircraft. Let's see what happens.


        Yes, these are fakes of the level of 1-2 classes, they probably invented and painted Indo-managers. This is actually a new aircraft, it’s unrealistic to transfer so the glider, or it will be worth the time, money and brains unmeasured.
        It’s necessary to check the calendar, it’s not April 1, what they use there wassat
        1. Pavel1
          Pavel1 28 July 2016 16: 32
          +2
          Quote: DarkMatter
          Yes, these are fakes of the level of 1-2 classes, they probably invented and painted


          In general, Jews remake the old Amer and French planes and not only electronics, but also affect the glider, so that the Jews taught the Indians bad, the Japanese also remake f16 ...
    6. Skifotavr
      Skifotavr 28 July 2016 15: 06
      +2
      For their money - their every whim. smile
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 28 July 2016 16: 52
        +3
        Good whim: about 40 mil. for the modernization of one aircraft (more than half the cost of a new aircraft). belay . I don’t understand something, this is probably all the equipment, engines, etc. replaced with another, more modern with better performance characteristics - you get something close to the Su-35. hi
    7. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 28 July 2016 20: 13
      +1
      Quote: gray smeet
      From this mutt, it’s only clear that ...

      Ours will fulfill the order for modernization, show the product in action, digitize the entire technological process of manufacturing components and assembling a new product, and then all of this will be transferred to bhai-bhai for 8 billion dollars. So that they sculpted the modern SU-30MKI at their production base. Naturally, our pros will sit on the first copies, until the dancers learn what hands to pull and when to make something work out as planned.
      If only the story with the modernization of the T-90S and the shots for the tank gun would not be repeated. yes
      1. Alex_Tug
        Alex_Tug 28 July 2016 20: 23
        +1
        then all this for 8 billion dollars will be transferred to bhai-bhayam.


        It does not seem to you that 8 billion is the whole process, and not a single copy.
  2. nik-karata
    nik-karata 28 July 2016 13: 18
    -5
    it would be better if they upgraded their own than Indians. we always have something shoemaker ........
    1. Berkut24
      Berkut24 28 July 2016 13: 25
      +3
      Nafig we do not need it. The armament already has a Su-35. The 27th is also being modernized, but not to such a frenzy.
    2. KBR109
      KBR109 28 July 2016 13: 25
      +2
      Well, they’re not - they are developing their aircraft industry with all their might.
    3. gray smeet
      gray smeet 28 July 2016 13: 26
      +3
      Quote: nik-karata
      it would be better if they upgraded their own than Indians. we always have something shoemaker ........


      Having earned, you can build future plans! NOT? winked
      Do not confuse the Corporation and the state! A corporation (in this case, Sukhoi) makes money, the state (the Ministry of Defense) gives an order and money for modernization ... - agree that is a bit different thing
    4. Smog
      Smog 28 July 2016 13: 47
      +8
      it would be better if they upgraded their own than Indians. we always have something shoemaker

      And what will prevent this modernization from ours? The article says that only PROTOTYPE will be made in Russia, and modernization will be carried out at Indian facilities. So, no damage is visible to us, and even they will make some money on it, so to speak, for our capacities.
      "The prototype will be made in Russia, and the modernization itself will be carried out at the facilities of the Indian state company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited."
    5. Backfire
      Backfire 28 July 2016 17: 52
      +2
      How can modernizing Indian dryers prevent us?
    6. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 29 July 2016 05: 14
      0
      With this money we need to build new ones, for example, Su 34 we need orders in Novosibirsk repeat
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 28 July 2016 13: 19
    +8
    The cost of such a contract is wow, even if it is done by the hands of the Indians. Our developers will be fed, and the factories will get something.
  4. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson 28 July 2016 13: 20
    0
    But this is "money right away" and there are clearly outlined terms of the contract, but while the PAK FA (and as a result - FGFA) will be brought to mind - at least 5 years will pass.
  5. Abbra
    Abbra 28 July 2016 13: 25
    +2
    The more such contracts will be, the more in Russia will be deployed, modernized capacities of various options. And the amount is impressive. The main thing is not to forget about your needs and prospects.
  6. Berkut24
    Berkut24 28 July 2016 13: 28
    0
    The updated machine will be called Super Dry.

    Pavel Osipovich is probably turning.
  7. bardadym
    bardadym 28 July 2016 13: 34
    +1
    "Super Sukhoi"
    Bad abbreviation succeed. And it seemed to me that our military was checking their names for such things.
    Yes, and you don't have to go far for bad examples, look, the "cyborg" - "coffin" mega-Ukrainian unit has been taught to the ground quite recently ...
  8. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 28 July 2016 13: 34
    +3
    Another Indian tender - senseless and merciless. smile

    10-15 years of songs, dances, cuts, kickbacks, plums in the media, scandals, resignations, changes in amounts and terms, refusals to purchase, followed by a return to the negotiations - and as a result they will buy something serial.
  9. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 28 July 2016 13: 45
    +2
    Hindus in their repertoire. Sit down and eat in one bottle. From "seven-stealth" as much immediately "super dry" for three kopecks. Boys are strange.
  10. mr.redpartizan
    mr.redpartizan 28 July 2016 13: 46
    +3
    Very good news. The contract with the Indians will provide jobs for highly qualified specialists, modernize production at aviation enterprises and receive good income for the state. A huge number of Su-30s sold speaks of the highest characteristics of the aircraft and a good price / quality ratio. Hindus can choose equipment from many manufacturers, but most often they buy from us, which is very pleasing. I hope that the number of sold 5th generation fighters will be no less.
  11. Leonid Har
    Leonid Har 28 July 2016 13: 47
    +1
    30ki need to be upgraded as much as possible so that not only are they not inferior to F35, but also surpassed.
  12. Who said
    Who said 28 July 2016 14: 00
    0
    And the money will be stolen. Just let them out of the colonies.
  13. Wolka
    Wolka 28 July 2016 14: 00
    0
    there is some but, I think, with this contract, the Indians will bind Russia to themselves, despite the fact that production and modernization itself will be organized on Indian territory, thereby tearing it somewhat off China (India-China confrontation is still peaceful, and requires serious attention) , although perhaps in the event of a conflict of these powers, Russia will stop supplying both of them ...
  14. Alex_Tug
    Alex_Tug 28 July 2016 14: 00
    0
    The normal task for the boys is to expand the cockpit, replace avionics and sensors.
    Pick up BrahMos. It looks like a new radar (active electronically scanned array), most likely to use BraMos. Another some missile with ISS add.
    What advanced stealth technology did not understand if the glider is not touched.
    (whose avionics is not clear, given their love for the French, something will probably be transferred from the Mi-29UPG).
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 28 July 2016 14: 12
      0
      The cabin is likely not to expand, but to install an unbinding lamp. From the stealth - S-shaped air intakes, an internal weapon compartment, radiotransparent wingtips, flattened keels, some kind of coating bully
      They don't pretend to be stealth, and they write it - "half-stealth" laughing
      It sounds logical, but the devil is in the details.
      1. Alex_Tug
        Alex_Tug 28 July 2016 14: 23
        +1
        About wings (this picture is not in the original):
        - Any changes in the design of the wing and material to improve stealth would be very expensive and time-consuming and would be akin to a different design.

        about the cabin:
        - It is planned to bring Super Dry closer to the FGFA, includes upgrading the cockpit for pilots, so it will be easier for pilots to switch to FGFA later.

        All the rest has already been listed.
  15. Xmyp
    Xmyp 28 July 2016 15: 10
    +1
    Quote: mr.redpartizan
    The contract with the Indians will provide jobs for highly qualified specialists, modernize production .....

    Do you believe in what you wrote?
  16. demiurg
    demiurg 28 July 2016 15: 15
    +2
    To reduce EPR to 1-2 meters, it seems that they will cover part of the fuselage, wing and tail unit with something radio-absorbing, remove part of the suspensions, and make a conformal compartment for weapons. Everything is quite real and does not require alteration of the fuselage. By the way, this would not hurt our VKS.
  17. aleksandrs95
    aleksandrs95 28 July 2016 15: 30
    +1
    ALL CONTRACTS ARE GOOD AS ECONOMICALLY AS POLITICAL.
  18. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 28 July 2016 15: 34
    0
    Any of our contracts, including with India, cannot but rejoice.
  19. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 28 July 2016 17: 48
    +1
    Changing glider elements does not make sense: very
    expensive, and the stealth effect is small.
    It makes sense to improve weapons systems, radar, avionics.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 28 July 2016 20: 42
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Changing glider elements does not make sense: very
      expensive, and the stealth effect is small.

      I agree. BUT! Make S-shaped air intakes by hiding the turbine blades - obviously it will not be superfluous, along with their coating with a radar absorbing coating.
      Quote: voyaka uh
      It makes sense to improve weapons systems, radar, avionics.
      So it will be done! Here are just about the new engines somehow inaudibly silent. But without them, cruising supersonic can not be stuttered. And the internal compartment of the weapon will allow you to remove it from the external nodes of the suspension, reduce the radar visibility of the product.
      Surely something will change in the materials, increasing the proportion of composites. Reducing weight allows you to increase speed or range due to additional fuel.
      In any case, the task is interesting and bread. In the course of its implementation, our Kulibins along the way and for themselves are picking up a bunch of useful things. And this is never superfluous. IMHO.
      1. Alex_Tug
        Alex_Tug 28 July 2016 20: 52
        0
        But without them, cruising supersonic can not be stuttered.


        The article on cruising supersonic stutters only for the T-50.
        About Su-30 only advanced stealth technology. Probably about the air intake. Obviously they are not going to shovel the whole glider. Although TK is probably not written, most likely only wishes.
  20. xant
    xant 28 July 2016 17: 54
    +1
    Well, the good news is Rafale!
  21. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 28 July 2016 18: 40
    +2
    It is very good that modernization will be carried out by our brains, and the "hardware" can be anything: French, Israeli, American. The main thing: "crackers" must keep abreast.
  22. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 July 2016 08: 29
    0
    that project is as interesting to us as it is to India. We are also armed with the Su-30, which were created thanks to the Indian project. In 10-15 years, we also have to modernize the Su-30/34/35