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The whole series of “Varshavyanok for the Pacific Fleet will be built in St. Petersburg

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The entire series of 6 submarines "Varshavyanka" (project 636) for the Pacific fleet will be built at the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg, reports RIA News message from the Vice-President of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Igor Ponomarev.




“All six boats for the Pacific Fleet will be built by Admiralty Shipyards, which have extensive experience in the execution of such an order for the Black Sea Fleet. The main boat of the series will be laid in the near future ",
said the vice president.

He noted that the specific time frame for the construction of a diesel-electric submarine of the 636 project “will be defined in a government contract to be signed”

Help Agency: “The submarines of the Varshavyanka project belong to the third generation, have a displacement of 3,95 thousands of tons, a submerged speed of 20 knots, a depth of 300 meters, and a crew of 52 people. Boats of the modified 636 project have higher combat effectiveness. For secrecy, these ships received the name "black hole" in NATO ".
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RIA News. Igor Russak
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  1. seti
    seti 28 July 2016 09: 10
    +12
    Apparently they want to increase the speed of construction / replenishment of the Pacific Fleet. It is important to buy time.
    1. PN
      PN 28 July 2016 09: 13
      +17
      Well, one or two boats could be built in the Far East too, people also need to feed their families.
      1. gispanec
        gispanec 28 July 2016 09: 19
        +15
        Quote: PN
        Well, one or two boats could be built in the Far East too, people also need to feed their families.

        it’s easier for families to simply give money than to build one boat for 5 years, and its price will be as low as 2,5 PL .....
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 28 July 2016 09: 29
          +6
          Quote: gispanec
          it’s easier for families to simply give money than to build one boat for 5 years, and its price will be as low as 2,5 PL .....

          exactly, an example of corvettes 20380 before the eyes
          1. Temples
            Temples 28 July 2016 10: 20
            +8
            it’s easier for families to simply give money than to build one boat for 5 years, and its price will be as low as 2,5 PL .....

            It was under such slogans that many industries in the country were destroyed.
            They say it’s cheaper to buy there and there.
            And then comes the ass.
            And basically a complete ass.

            Not everything is measured by momentary profit.
            1. mr.redpartizan
              mr.redpartizan 28 July 2016 10: 37
              +10
              First you need to clean up the ARZ with personnel and equipment, and then give orders for the construction of ships and submarines. Otherwise, they will build one boat for ten years. Factory management does not catch mice at all, but recent high-profile arrests inspire hope for the best ...
            2. gispanec
              gispanec 28 July 2016 10: 41
              +1
              Quote: Temples
              Not everything is measured by momentary profit.

              well, give me money, I’ll build a plant and immediately the death star, and I’ll do it by the year 21 .... I think that I won’t get any money ... and you can give money to this shipyard for at least another 10 years, but there’s no sense .. .but like the development of this shipyard .... there is a different approach needed ..... if I knew, wrote!
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 28 July 2016 21: 21
                0
                The most interesting thing is that aircraft are being built in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. They and workers take from somewhere skilled and equipment ....
            3. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 28 July 2016 11: 52
              +1
              Quote: Temples
              It was under such slogans that many industries in the country were destroyed.
              They say it’s cheaper to buy there and there.
              And then comes the ass.
              And basically a complete ass.

              Not everything is measured by momentary profit.

              Varshavyanka at the Pacific Fleet was needed yesterday, the country's defense capability may suffer due to the long construction time of submarines in the Far East.
            4. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 28 July 2016 12: 04
              +6
              Quote: Temples
              Not everything is measured by momentary profit.

              What the hell is the immediate profit? The Pacific Fleet needs new diesel-electric submarines! Even in the last millennium, they were needed. And if you give an order to the Far East factories, then these submarines will be built in 5-6 years. And they will cost like "boreas".
              That is, if they build it at all - and not freeze these "goldfish" in connection with the sequestration of the defense budget.

              After the Second World War, under absolutely the same reasoning about "people need to feed families"And"you do not like the working class“The navy received a crowd of ships of obsolete pre-war designs of dubious combat value. As a result, no money, no navy.
          2. goose
            goose 28 July 2016 11: 57
            -1
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Quote: gispanec
            it’s easier for families to simply give money than to build one boat for 5 years, and its price will be as low as 2,5 PL .....

            exactly, an example of corvettes 20380 before the eyes

            And how is the construction of the corvette tied to the shipyard? At the shipyard, just a bunch of welders are not of the highest rank. The weak point in shipbuilding is equipment suppliers. For so many delays. The most critical were the engines, the air defense system, and the gun mount. All this was completed over the years to a condition suitable for acceptance. Nobody wanted to put a marriage on a ship.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 28 July 2016 12: 29
              +6
              Quote: goose
              And how is the construction of the corvette tied to the shipyard? At the shipyard, just a bunch of welders are not of the highest rank. The weak point in shipbuilding is equipment suppliers. For so many delays. The most critical were the engines, the air defense system, and the gun mount. All this was completed over the years to a condition suitable for acceptance. Nobody wanted to put a marriage on a ship.

              All this, of course, is good ... but there are a couple of problems:
              1. Laid down on June 30.06.2006, 4 at the Amur Shipyard, "Perfect" was the 21.12.2001th ship of the series - so most of the problems should have already emerged on the three previous ships (the head was laid down on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX).
              2. Laid down 4 months after the "Amur sufferer" St. Petersburg "Resistant" was launched 3 years earlier and in service since 2014. In 2015, he already participated in the exercises. And this despite the fact that "Resistant" was actually frozen by the construction for 2 years.
      2. Lord_Bran
        Lord_Bran 28 July 2016 09: 40
        +2
        What to build on? Neither equipment nor specialists.
        It is better to build ships for civilian purposes in the Far East. You can even export. And it was there a year ago, so the situation is just awful.
        1. PN
          PN 28 July 2016 10: 01
          +3
          Where does a specialist come from without work? And to buy equipment if orders are not foreseen is also money down the drain. So whatever one may say, one pulls the other. The circle closes.
        2. volot-voin
          volot-voin 28 July 2016 10: 08
          +1
          Quote: Lord_Bran
          What to build on? Neither equipment nor specialists.

          What about the Baltic plant? In St. Petersburg there are enough specialists, the main thing is that they would not sit idle. I am glad for the fellow countrymen who will receive worthy orders, for the benefit of strengthening the country's defense capabilities.
          it’s easier for families to simply give money than to build one boat for 5 years,
          This is what is called "simply giving money to families" through decent highly qualified work at the plant. Moreover, it may be built earlier, NATO is at the borders, the government is in a hurry.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 28 July 2016 21: 24
            0
            What are you talking about now?
            Peter, he is not in the Far East.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 July 2016 09: 23
      +7
      Quote: seti
      Apparently they want to increase the speed of construction / replenishment of the Pacific Fleet.

      In the old days, the contract would have been given to Komsomolsk-on-Amur.
      Quote: PN
      th
      Well, one or two boats could be built in the Far East too, people also need to feed their families.

      How much do they build Corvette Ladny?
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 28 July 2016 09: 29
        +6
        Perfect they build 10 years.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 July 2016 10: 05
          0
          Quote: donavi49
          Perfect they build 10 years.

          I confused the name.
        2. mr.redpartizan
          mr.redpartizan 28 July 2016 10: 44
          +1
          10 years to build a corvette is sabotage. Americans built an aircraft carrier such as Ford in 5 years and sent for testing. It is clear that the tests revealed problems that will eliminate another 3 years at least. And we cannot build a corvette with a displacement of 2000 tons.
        3. Maksus
          Maksus 28 July 2016 11: 29
          -3
          Logistics of submarine delivery to Pacific Fleet will be breathtaking. It would be simpler and cheaper to ward off a new plant. Well, it’ll almost turn around the world.
          1. goose
            goose 28 July 2016 11: 54
            0
            Quote: Maksus
            Well, it’ll almost turn around the world.

            Along the Northern Sea Route, even if they drag along like a turtle, they will drag them in 2 months.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 28 July 2016 12: 44
              +1
              Quote: goose
              Along the Northern Sea Route, even if they drag along like a turtle, they will drag them in 2 months.

              On the NSR easier to drag the whole ship. smile
              Look, even two "diamond" floating cranes were transferred to Kamchatka.
            2. Maksus
              Maksus 28 July 2016 19: 11
              0
              2 months, for such a time you can swim half the world.
        4. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 28 July 2016 12: 33
          +1
          Quote: donavi49
          Perfect they build 10 years.

          And the "Steady" laid down after him has been serving at the Baltic Fleet for 2 years already. sad
  2. Bongo
    Bongo 28 July 2016 09: 18
    +5
    The whole series of “Varshavyanok for the Pacific Fleet will be built in St. Petersburg

    And after that we hear about the need for the development of the Far East? what
    1. gispanec
      gispanec 28 July 2016 09: 21
      +4
      Quote: Bongo
      And after that we hear about the need for the development of the Far East?

      there is no one to build on the Far East (no specialists left), but the shipyard is in a deplorable state, and the boats are needed yesterday .....
      1. Corsair0304
        Corsair0304 28 July 2016 09: 25
        +6
        If you do not build in the Far East, then the shipyard will finally collapse, and specialists will flee to St. Petersburg.
        It is clear to everyone that boats are needed, but raising Dalny from the pit is even more important. No wonder they are trying to implement "Free Hectare" there.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 28 July 2016 09: 43
          +5
          AND? And if you build in Komsomolsk - the fleet of boats will not receive in the foreseeable future.

          Yes, and in St. Petersburg, too, difficulties. The bulk of 636 is already in operation. What should the Admiralteik do in a year or two? To dismiss with great difficulty recruited and trained people?

          Here, after all, how - there is a production that provides serial boats cheaply and on time.
          There is a hypothetical production (the last diesel-electric submarine is 93 years old) - which needs to be established, to search for people, to develop cooperation in the Far East by boat. That is, it will result in significantly more money, with a real prospect of disrupting the contract for 5 years.

          And the Hindu Pike-B is glued to the boatmen there. But for ships, in general, the carriage orders cannot be processed by the same Komsomolsk, hence the breakdown of terms by 200-300%. The past management of the NEA took off, mainly due to non-targeted, they threw money to improve the enterprise, to 2 tankers, project 18500, which the customer refused and where there was an overrun (well, the customer refused to pay for the completion and required a steamboat).

          As a result, they managed to finish off the lead tanker and push it onto the outfit, but the customer already ordered in China and now everyone can buy the lead one like scrap metal.
        2. Berkut24
          Berkut24 28 July 2016 10: 07
          +4
          The shipyard in the Far East has more than enough orders, and the money has been paid in advance "Mama Don't Cry". But so far, even one ship cannot be lowered. Where else would they go? To also fill up the underwater theme?
          If Peter was seriously overclocked on the topic, then he got cards in his hands. It makes quickly and efficiently, including for export. While Komsomolsk-on-Amur snot chews let at least give something to the Pacific Fleet Peter.
      2. Bongo
        Bongo 28 July 2016 09: 36
        +5
        Quote: gispanec
        there is no one to build on the Far East (no specialists left), but the shipyard is in a deplorable state, and the boats are needed yesterday .....

        C'mon, have you been to the NEA for a long time in Komsomolsk? Specialists and the desire to work there, the plant aground due to theft of leadership!
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Hello, Sergey! Well, what did you want to transfer the contract to Amur, so they will build 10 years. They can’t cope with one order for a frigate.

        Hi Sasha! The point is not that they cannot or do not want to work at the NEA No. The money allocated for the construction of corvettes did not go into the pockets of hard workers ... you yourself probably know what salaries are at the shipbuilding industry. sad At the same time, who of the changed directors during this time was brought to justice? And about such an enterprise as "Amur Era" have you heard anything and what happened to it?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 July 2016 10: 03
          +2
          Quote: Bongo
          The money allocated for the construction of corvettes did not go into the pockets of hard workers ... you yourself probably know what salaries are at the shipbuilding

          You drive up to the plant entrance, looking at the parking lot from Cruisers, Mercedes, Lexus and Infinity, it seems that this is one of the successful enterprises in Russia.
          He wrote the same thing recently that in order for the plant to start working normally, it is necessary to transplant all the owners of wheelbarrows.
          Quote: Bongo
          At the same time, which of the directors who changed during this time have been held accountable?

          I don’t know the directors, but the deputies were transplanted a bunch. The last one was closed last year.
          Quote: Bongo
          And about such an enterprise as "Amur Era" have you heard anything and what happened to it?

          My mother’s friend worked there, now she has been selling clothes on the market for many years.
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 28 July 2016 10: 08
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            You drive up to the plant entrance, looking at the parking lot from Cruisers, Mercedes, Lexus and Infinity, it seems that this is one of the successful enterprises in Russia.

            I was at the factory just a week ago, but not in the shops, on other matters ... everything is also sad there.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I don’t know the directors, but the deputies were transplanted a bunch. The last one was closed last year.

            Directors are also not sinless. Can you tell me how much stolen money you could return?
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            My mother’s friend worked there, now she has been selling clothes on the market for many years.

            It was a unique enterprise; it was considered a great success to get a job there in Soviet times. Due to its specific nature, even the very name "Amur Era" was prohibited from using in the media.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 28 July 2016 10: 15
              +1
              Quote: Bongo
              but not in the workshops, on other matters ... everything is also sad there.

              I think compared to 92, the workshops have become much worse.
              Quote: Bongo
              Can you tell me how much stolen money you could return?

              It is impossible to divide by zero smile
              Quote: Bongo
              Unique enterprise was

              In our country, there are a lot of such enterprises.
          2. mr.redpartizan
            mr.redpartizan 28 July 2016 10: 58
            +6
            Do not plant, but shoot through one. Theft of funds at a defense enterprise should be equated with treason. An example of an effective solution to the theft problem is at hand. Destroyers bake like pies in 3-4 years, build a corvette in a year and a half.
            1. polkovnik manuch
              polkovnik manuch 28 July 2016 18: 03
              +2
              Stop scolding embezzlers with your finger, it's time to shoot! And the guilty, confusing the state’s pocket with their own to send for 20 years with the confiscation of the acquired from relatives and proxies!
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      4. Moore
        Moore 28 July 2016 09: 41
        +2
        Quote: gispanec
        there is no one to build on the Far East (no specialists left), but the shipyard is in a deplorable state, and the boats are needed yesterday .....

        In work at NEA:
        • DEPL. Project 877 (medium repair, modernization)
        • Multipurpose patrol ship. Project 20380 (construction)
        • Supply vessel I. Sidorenko. Project 22420 (construction)
        • Supply vessel O. Sheremet. Project 22420 (construction)
        Any civil:
        • Environmental monitoring vessel. Project 21232
        • Chemical tanker. Project 18500
        • Multipurpose Tug-Rescue "HOPER". Project 16570
        • Transport and towing vessel. Project UT-722.
        • Seismic survey vessel
        • Vagis. Project 1710.
        • Self-propelled die-boat “Slavyanka”. Project 21100
        • Fishing bot. Project 21230.
        • Support vessel. Project 21750
        • Fishing bot. Project 21710 (PBS-10)
        • Fishing bot. Project 21260
        • Bison -?
        • Supply vessel. Project 22420.
        • Fishing bot. Project 70451 TM
        • Cargo ship. Project 19610
        • Timber carrier package carrier. Project 17340.
        • Floating complex for the processing of liquid radioactive waste "Lily of the valley"
        • Transport trigger floating docks
        • Diesel-electric ship. Project 728P
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 28 July 2016 09: 45
          +3
          There are half the dead. Tankers 18500, tug Khoper - now put up for auction, like scrap metal.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 July 2016 09: 24
      -1
      Quote: Bongo
      And after that we hear about the need for the development of the Far East?

      Hello, Sergey! Well, what did you want to transfer the contract to Amur, so they will build 10 years. They can’t cope with one order for a frigate.
    3. 78bor1973
      78bor1973 28 July 2016 09: 31
      0
      There, in fact, a whole shipyard is being built, and so will be six boats in 4 years!
    4. Lord_Bran
      Lord_Bran 28 July 2016 09: 43
      +1
      It is necessary to prescribe a fatherly pendal with a heeled shoe. For successful completion, so to speak.
  3. A-Sim
    A-Sim 28 July 2016 09: 28
    +7
    For such "foty" in the old days someone would have already leaned against the wall.
    Boat in service - no photos, except for the stowed position.
    It sounds of course like insanity (the project has been for many years and the "partners" have long known what and where), but counter-diversionary work begins with such "little things".
    1. mr.redpartizan
      mr.redpartizan 28 July 2016 11: 05
      +4
      Liberalism in economics and ideology almost ruined the country. How many similar enterprises were ruined after the 91st year. The tagged bastard, however, became a laureate of the Peace Prize; Bore-Sinke rebuilt the Yeltsin Center. Without acknowledging the fallacy of the course chosen 30 years ago, we will continue to ride a rake.
    2. mr.redpartizan
      mr.redpartizan 28 July 2016 11: 12
      +4
      A vivid example of the "patriotism" of the Russian elite. The granddaughter of the most "sober" ruler of Russia since the time of Peter the Great.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 28 July 2016 12: 51
      0
      Quote: A-Sim
      For such "foty" in the old days someone would have already leaned against the wall.
      Boat in service - no photos, except for the stowed position.
      It sounds of course like insanity (the project has been for many years and the "partners" have long known what and where), but counter-diversionary work begins with such "little things".

      What is the point of paranoidly secreting diesel-electric submarines built since 1996, and for the most part - for export?
      Etc. 636 and its modifications abroad serves more than in our Navy: 10 from China, 2 from Algeria, 5 from Vietnam.
  4. BOB044
    BOB044 28 July 2016 09: 34
    -1
    Here is NATO’s fear of the Black Hole, that is, Varshavyanka. good
  5. iwind
    iwind 28 July 2016 09: 38
    +5
    I usually scold for the secrecy of everything. But then the screws of the submarine .... well, damn it ... how is it? this is almost the main secret, but here is a close-up fool
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 28 July 2016 10: 46
      +3
      Quote: iwind
      I usually scold for the secrecy of everything. But then the screws of the submarine .... well, damn it ... how is it? this is almost the main secret, but here is a close-up fool

      This photo has been walking on the network for a long time. Maybe in reality there are others?
    2. mr.redpartizan
      mr.redpartizan 28 July 2016 11: 15
      +5
      This project is almost 40 years old, it was massively exported. The Americans are not very interested in the appearance of the propellers; they are more interested in the filling of the boat and the composition of the hull.
  6. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 28 July 2016 09: 57
    +1
    That's right, you first need to ensure the safety of your shores, which these invisibles will do mainly at the Kuril ridge.
  7. doework
    doework 28 July 2016 10: 09
    +1
    Why the hell are photojournalists allowed on the slipway? What have they forgotten there? Have the "special departments" been closed at defense plants? Damn, there is no order anywhere ...
  8. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 28 July 2016 10: 13
    0
    The Varshavyanka project has caused a non-acidic panic among the senior naval officials in the Pentagon .... well, they are not used to fighting invisible people armed to the teeth - so we silently draw conclusions and gritting our teeth increase the production of Varshavyanka, which are necessary for all fleets.
  9. rudolff
    rudolff 28 July 2016 10: 23
    +4
    That the whole series of Varshavyanka for Pacific Fleet in St. Petersburg will be built, right. It will be faster without jambs. But on Amursky, immediately after the surrender of the Nerpa, they could continue work on the Irbis. Factory N519, readiness according to various sources from 42 to 60%, project 971 modernized (improved). She was even shown to Putin at one time. Silent glanders would have been completed and the competence for submarines preserved. The project on the main performance characteristics is not much inferior to Ash.
  10. red_october
    red_october 28 July 2016 10: 27
    +1
    Quote: donavi49
    Yes, and in St. Petersburg, too, difficulties. The bulk of 636 is already in operation. What should the Admiralteik do in a year or two? To dismiss with great difficulty recruited and trained people?


    I agree. DV, like the Crimean shipyards, should be developed, but wisely. Don't we need tugs, large landing ships, rescue ships, communications and all the coastal infrastructure for the Navy? Even small missile boats (the same 22800 or others), the role of which has grown significantly in connection with equipping them with "Calibers", as relatively simple projects in production, it is quite possible to localize in the Far East, which will disperse local shipyards, people will receive both experience and salary. In general, not loading the Far East is also not the case ... I'm not talking about civilian types of ships, tankers, dry cargo ships, which, by the way, are needed by the fleet as well. And if you dig in related sectors of industry, such as instrument and machine tools ...
    Orders of military equipment that are already mass-produced are more reasonable to leave to specialized factories that have already shown themselves in their direction and will not fail the Customer, that is, the Ministry of Defense ..
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 28 July 2016 11: 11
      +2
      Well, here are some (Gazprom) ordered 2 ships of the project 22420 NPS. The money passed, in 2010 they pledged, lowered it at 13/14 - total today in a sluggish completion.

      In 06, the same MPSV2010 was also laid down, it was cut off with weight (restrictions in such a way are such that the customer doesn’t even need such a steamer for nothing), as a result of being put up for auction as scrap metal, he is saved by a languid transfer of documents with the designer, on the topic of who to blame. Other MPSV06s from other shipyards are already operating without jambs by the way.

      Well, OJSC "DCSSS" - flew perfectly with tankers pr. 00211 Sakhalin for ZAO Rosnefteflot. Typical tankers with a deadweight of 3100 were laid in 2011 and early 2012 (No. 572) of the year. Now their declared technical readiness is 48 and 53%!
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 28 July 2016 12: 54
        +1
        As I understand it, the main ambush with shipbuilding in the Far East is that there are South Korea and China nearby. As a result, the civilian customer goes there (cheaper and faster), and only military orders remain the domestic shipyard.
  11. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 28 July 2016 11: 01
    +3
    For stealth, these ships were named "black hole" in NATO. "

    How long can you print this stupidity? "Improved Kilo" - this is the name these ships received in NATO. And the "black hole" is that instead of the brain of our journalists who came up with this nonsense and persistently hammer it into the immature brains of "expert bloggers".
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 28 July 2016 11: 11
      +3
      Whether NATO really called this project a "black hole" or is it just a pleasant fantasy, I do not know, but in any case it was related to the 80s of the last century. How many years, decades have passed ...
  12. cedar
    cedar 28 July 2016 11: 10
    +2
    Time is the main and irreplaceable resource. I agree, it is necessary to build where they will do it faster. There is much to be done .. before it explodes.
    TICKING ...
    http://www.abird.ru/articles/USA_debt
  13. mr.redpartizan
    mr.redpartizan 28 July 2016 11: 24
    +2
    A very successful boat project, as evidenced by numerous orders from other countries. Six more submarines will definitely not be superfluous, because the Pacific Fleet has only old diesel-electric submarines of project 877 Halibut. But it is necessary to accelerate the development of fifth-generation boats with air-independent propulsion. The Japanese want to build 11 Soryu-type boats with VNEU, we must not lag behind them in this direction.
  14. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 28 July 2016 12: 24
    -5
    Extremely bad news - due to the greed of St. Petersburg will not receive proper development Komsomolsk - on - Amur? Yes, and the execution of the order will be delayed, and the boats were needed yesterday? To the Hindus, therefore, it is possible to transfer documentation and technology, but not your own? Competition or criminal negligence (greed and stupidity) !? Maybe all the same, common sense will triumph both in the Moscow Region (the customer) and in the USC (general contractor)?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 28 July 2016 13: 04
      +2
      Quote: KudrevKN
      Extremely bad news - due to the greed of St. Petersburg will not receive proper development Komsomolsk - on - Amur?

      If they had given the order for Far East, they would have written that due to the voluntaristic decision to support Komsomolsk-on-Amur, the Pacific Fleet would not receive new boats on time, and the Admiralty shipyards were forced to break the established process and dismiss workers.
      Quote: KudrevKN
      Yes, and the execution of the order will be delayed, and the boats were needed yesterday?

      Will it drag on? Admiralty crews need 3 years to start commissioning diesel-electric submarines. In general, we managed to cope with Krasnodar in less than 2 years (plans for Veliky Novgorod and Kolpino - 2 years).
      And in the Far East, since 2006, they have been building the unfortunate Corvette "Perfect", pr. 20380 - and there is no end in sight to this process. Despite the fact that his classmate "Stoic", founded 4 months later, has been walking under the St. Andrew's flag at the Baltic Fleet for 2 years already.

      So common sense in the Moscow Region just triumphed - to urgently strengthen the Pacific Fleet, the order for diesel-electric submarines was given to those who have experience and will do it on time and without jambs.
      1. Kudrevkn
        Kudrevkn 28 July 2016 19: 34
        +1
        Alexei! Can't think so primitively, even "narrowly directed", that is, only LAO and "no nails"? I served in the Far East and know the coastal regions - in terms of its climatic conditions, Primorye is similar to the Crimea or South Korea (Kazakhstan has the second largest shipbuilding industry in the world)! Can't put eggs in one (St. Petersburg) basket !? In case of the outbreak of war, KTOF should have a ship repair rear! The Admiralty may be able to cope in 3 years, but in the Far East, shipbuilding also needs to be urgently raised! Dalzavod in LiveJournal, Khabarovsk Shipyard in ruins, Chazhma in LiveJournal, Komsomolsk still breathing "every other time"? And it is not at all necessary to "have to break the established process", is it just enough to give at least 2 (?) Orders so that the Far East will have experience in building, and most importantly, in repairing and modernizing these types of submarines? That's all! And do not be greedy, you need to think positively - there is enough work for the good of the Motherland for everyone! Including for you and me!
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 29 July 2016 09: 56
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          Quote: KudrevKN
          You can’t lay eggs in one (St. Petersburg) basket !? In case of the outbreak of war, the KTOF should have a ship repair rear!

          In case of war, the KTOF, for starters, must have ships.
          Quote: KudrevKN
          The Admiralty may be able to cope in 3 years, but in the Far East, shipbuilding also needs to be urgently raised!

          Do you need to raise the fleet? Maybe at first it’s better to at least replenish the KTOF, and then already engage in experiments to raise plants?
          Otherwise, the ship composition of "also a fleet" (excluding the atomic submarine component) will soon be inferior to "the fleet, not the fleet." smile
          1. Kudrevkn
            Kudrevkn 29 July 2016 10: 12
            +1
            Again you are "all eggs in one basket" - the Government is obliged to "raise factories", and the Ministry of Defense is obliged to this Government (although also being a part of this government) to declare (demand) its "Wishlist" - NO ARMY (FLEET) WITHOUT A RELIABLE BACK! I myself am from Magnitogorsk - Magnitka defeated the Ruhr! Every second tank and every third shell of the Red Army was made of Magnitogorsk steel! By the way, this order will be partially "sewn" from Magnitogorsk steel! There is no need "and then already engage in experiments on raising factories" (all the more so for you?) - you need to do this yesterday and immediately, while there is still a little pre-war time !!!!
  15. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 28 July 2016 18: 10
    +2
    Why are those who destroyed shipbuilding and the entire defense industry still alive? Isn't it time to "deal with" "effective managers" seriously and in an adult way, so that others will not be familiar with it?
    1. mr.redpartizan
      mr.redpartizan 28 July 2016 18: 47
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      It's time, 15 years for sure. In recent months, positive changes in this direction are visible, which is somewhat encouraging.
  16. Aquarius
    Aquarius 28 July 2016 19: 36
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    And who said that this is the main secret? Where are the secretaries? If published, then does anyone need this?
  17. AlexSlash
    AlexSlash 3 August 2016 16: 13
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    Why did you have to upload a photo of the screw? The design of the propeller has always been secret, because by the noise created by the blades one can always recognize the acoustic portrait of the boat.