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Why did China bring its fighters to Aviadarts-2016?

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Why did China bring its fighters to Aviadarts-2016?

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MOSCOW, 26 July. / Tass /. Crews of JH-7А bomber from China arrived at the Dyagilevo airfield in Ryazan to participate in the Aviadarts international flying skill competition held in the framework of ARMI-2016. This was reported on Tuesday by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

On July 25, a photo of the flight of two Chinese Xian JH-7 Flying Leopard fighters with the Il-76MD military transport aircraft accompanying them appeared on the Internet. Representatives of foreign teams will carry out the flight program on their aviation technique.

Russian sky test

As TASS military observer Viktor Litovkin said, the most obvious reason that China brings its equipment to ARMI-2016 is that “it has money for it.”

The other (non-obvious) is that he wants to test his equipment in the Russian environment, on Russian training grounds, which in their own way are more complicated and not similar to those used in the Chinese army.

"They want to prove that not only the skill and professionalism of the Chinese soldiers defeats rivals in equal competitions, but also better than their partners, their equipment. On the one hand, it improves its export potential, on the other - inspires confidence in the Chinese soldiers the most modern and well-equipped rival / opponent "
Viktor Litovkin
TASS military commentator


Su-24 vs JH-7

The Chinese fighter-bomber Xian JH-7 for the second time becomes a member of the international competition of pilots "Aviadarts".

The aircraft was created at the end of 1980's. to replace the Harbin H-5 front bomber (a copy of the first Soviet jet bomber Il-28) and Nanchang Q-5 (attack aircraft based on the second-generation Soviet fighter MiG-19).

A version under the designation FBC-1 Flying Leopard (in translation - "Flying Leopard") is offered for export.

At the competition in Russia will participate the upgraded version of the aircraft JH-7A. According to data from open sources, a new aviation airborne radar station JL-10A, a container with a navigation and targeting system, as well as a radio intelligence container of Russian production AKP-8 are installed on it. The nomenclature of weapons has expanded due to the installation of new avionics.



According to the TASS military expert, the JH-7 fighter-bomber can be compared to the Russian tactical front-line bomber Su-24 in recruiting their tasks and armament. “Drying” has eight suspension points for rockets and bombs, and “Chinese” has 11 and takes on more ammunition than Su-24 (8 tons against 7 tons). For the rest, Litovkin believes, they are almost alike.

“Both that and the other have small arms and guns, unguided rockets and bombs and guided air-to-surface, air-to-air. The Chinese’s maximum speed is more - 1800 km / h against 1600. These and other not so significant advantages can be explained by the fact that one aircraft (Su-24) was created in the 70-s of the last century, the other - at the end of 80-s "
Viktor Litovkin
TASS military commentator


Russian Su-24 aircraft are currently being upgraded, but not intensively. According to the plans of the Russian Ministry of Defense, by the 2020, they will be replaced by the new Su-34 multifunctional fighter-bombers, which have proven themselves well during the military operation of the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation against the "Islamic State" (IG, organization banned in the Russian Federation) in Syria . It is this aircraft that already surpasses both the Su-24 and the Chinese JH-7 fighter in all respects.
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  1. jjj
    jjj 29 July 2016 12: 20
    +30
    Well, we do not interfere with a closer look at the work of the Chinese comrades
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 29 July 2016 12: 32
      +53
      What for? In my opinion everything is simple here. Show yourself and look at others.

      But there is another political nuance ... which was somehow bypassed in this news.

      At the international army games "Marine landing-2016", which are held in the Kaliningrad region at the site Khmelevka, the first familiarization sessions with the teams, as well as acquaintance with weapons, took place.

      Teams of marines from Russia, Kazakhstan, Iran, China and Venezuela take part in the games. Moreover, China is taking part in its original equipment, and not only the naval marines, but also the navy (that is, special forces) marines arrived from Iran.

      Chinese equipment was delivered to Kaliningrad by ferry, after which it was transported by rail to Baltiysk. In general, we can say that the first rehearsal for the entry of Chinese and Iranian “peacekeepers” into the European Union has passed. successfully.

      So what, dear Balts, have you become more secure? smile
      1. i80186
        i80186 29 July 2016 12: 38
        +27
        Quote: Sid.74
        So what, dear Balts, have you become more secure?

        Yes, arranging all this in the Baltic Sea is a little unethical in relation to the three battalions on a rotational basis. The guards of the Islamic Revolution were again brought. smile
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 29 July 2016 12: 40
          +15
          Quote: i80186
          Yes, it’s not ethical to arrange all this in the Baltic, in relation to the three battalions

          But how spectacular ... repeat
          1. i80186
            i80186 29 July 2016 12: 44
            +6
            Quote: Sid.74
            But how spectacular ...

            Just someone was going to go to Iran, but here they came. Yes, not alone. Just beauty. smile
            1. Sid.74
              Sid.74 29 July 2016 12: 53
              +8
              Oh, great news ... lovely news ... yes

              The modernization of the Ka-27M antisubmarine helicopters for the Russian Navy will be completed by the end of this year, Admiral Vladimir Korolev, commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy, said.

              “This year we are completing the modernization of the Ka-27M anti-submarine helicopters, these are very good machines that will allow us to feel confident both in the near sea zone and as part of groups of warships,” the admiral said on the Russia-24 TV channel.

              “We have adapted practically the Ka-52K attack helicopter, Ka-31 radar patrol helicopters and Ka-29 attack combat vehicles,” he added.

              Ka-27 - deck antisubmarine helicopter enhanced maneuverability. It is used to search, detect and destroy submarines. http://politrussia.com/news/v-vmf-oglasili-882/

              Just something silence about MI-14 .. who promised to resurrect. what
              1. Mihalich17
                Mihalich17 29 July 2016 13: 13
                +3
                Read, comrade, about MI-14.
                http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/61937/
          2. NIKNN
            NIKNN 29 July 2016 12: 48
            +12
            Which asked the question why.
            Does he even have any idea about aviation?
            How do you imagine the performance of the Chinese on our aircraft? They need to be retrained ....
            In general, there is no word thunder article, some indecent signs ...
            1. Rus2012
              Rus2012 29 July 2016 12: 56
              +6
              Quote: NIKNN
              In general, there is no word thunder article, some indecent signs ...

              +1
              Litovkin is also the same Esperd ... :)))
            2. Sid.74
              Sid.74 29 July 2016 12: 57
              +5
              Quote: NIKNN
              How do you imagine the performance of the Chinese on our planes?

              Here is some nevidal ... laughing In principle, they flew either on replicas of Soviet aircraft or on Russian aircraft. They recently purchased a batch.

              The first customer to buy the Su-35 batch in the fall of 2015, was China.

              The purchase of 24 Russian Su-35 fighters worth about 2 billion dollars is the second major deal for the sale of Russian weapons to China, concluded after the Ukrainian crisis. A year earlier, a contract was signed for the supply to China of four divisions of C-400 anti-aircraft missile systems worth at least 1,9 billion dollars.
              1. NIKNN
                NIKNN 29 July 2016 14: 06
                +10
                Quote: Sid.74
                I’ve never seen what ... They basically flew either on replicas of Soviet planes or on Russian planes

                So for information, our pilots from Su24 to Su24M need to be retrained, receive admission, pass tests ...
                Since then ...
            3. Bongo
              Bongo 29 July 2016 14: 25
              +7
              Quote: NIKNN
              Which asked the question why.
              Does he even have any idea about aviation?
              How do you imagine the performance of the Chinese on our aircraft? They need to be retrained ....
              In general, there is no word thunder article, some indecent signs ...

              Hi, Nikolai! After reading this, I frankly spit:
              According to TASS military expert, JH-7 fighter-bomber can be compared with the Russian tactical front-line bomber Su-24 on the set of tasks they perform and on weapons. Sushka has eight points of suspension for missiles and bombs, while the Chinese has 11 and takes on board more ammunition than the Su-24 (8 tons versus 7 tons). For the rest, Litovkin believes, they are almost similar.
              How do they resemble each other in that they both perform percussion tasks? what By and large, the JH-7 is the Chinese F-4. Of course, it's not very good to refer to "yourself as a loved one", but in my opinion everything is well described here:Chinese fighter-bomber JH-7 "Flying Leopard"(clickable)
              1. NIKNN
                NIKNN 29 July 2016 15: 51
                +3
                Quote: Bongo
                Hi, Nikolai! After reading this, I frankly spit


                Hello, Sergey! I have never read such nonsense from the word "general".
                I am glad that I met you on a branch, and maybe even a few adequate ones ...
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 29 July 2016 15: 54
                  +1
                  Quote: NIKNN
                  Hi Oleg! I have never read such nonsense from the word "general".
                  I am glad that I met you on a branch, and maybe even a few adequate ones ...

                  Thanks Nikolay! But as long as I can remember, I was called Sergey. wink You quickly got better! smile
              2. dauria
                dauria 30 July 2016 00: 38
                +1
                By and large, the JH-7 is the Chinese F-4.


                Yes, there is a little bit of everything - like "Tornado", and "Jaguar", and a little Su-24, and it smells like a "phantom". Bomber in the mid-seventies in the hodgepodge. And the performance characteristics are something arithmetic mean, and vidocq. Okay, we blinded ourselves, learned to do it ourselves, understood a lot - the usual way of working people.
        2. Lanista
          Lanista 29 July 2016 13: 26
          +2
          Yes, arranging all this in the Baltic Sea is a little unethical in relation to the three battalions on a rotational basis. The guards of the Islamic Revolution were again brought.


          The point here is not even ethics, but elementary sanitation and hygiene requirements. If you don’t give diapers to the rotational NATO battalions, the Baltic coast will face a real short-term environmental disaster.
        3. kotvov
          kotvov 29 July 2016 17: 41
          0
          Yes, arranging all this in the Baltic Sea is a little unethical ,,,
          ethical, not ethical, they began to greyhound, they must be put in place.
        4. Lord_Bran
          Lord_Bran 29 July 2016 21: 39
          0
          Looks like moral rape. Group
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 July 2016 15: 47
        +2
        Quote: Sid.74
        But there is another political nuance ... which was somehow bypassed in this news.

        ... and show that in the military field we are also allies, for whom today there is only one course of movement.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 29 July 2016 15: 51
          +2
          Quote: NEXUS
          ... and show that in the military field we are also allies, for whom today there is only one course of movement.

          Andrey, hello! Have you been on the air for a long time? China has no allies, only temporary fellow travelers - this is worth understanding. In your comment, the key phrase is "today".
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 29 July 2016 16: 02
            +2
            Quote: Bongo
            Andrew, hello!

            Greetings, Serge!

            Quote: Bongo
            Have you been on the air for a long time?

            Yes, things were, so it did not work to scratch the post.
            Quote: Bongo
            In your commentary, the key phrase is "for today".

            So that's why SO wrote. TODAY.
            Glad to see you in good health, Seryozha. drinks
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 29 July 2016 16: 08
              +4
              Quote: NEXUS
              Glad to see you in good health, Seryozha.

              Thank! Mutually! drinks The "ancient" disappeared somewhere completely, he is fighting in no other way.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 29 July 2016 16: 14
                +4
                Quote: Bongo
                Thanks! Mutually! The "ancient" disappeared somewhere completely, he is fighting in no other way.

                Yes, a month ago God crawled into the light, though not for long ... not otherwise they harnessed the old grumbler in full. wink
      3. Talgat
        Talgat 29 July 2016 19: 59
        0
        Quote: Sid.74
        Marine teams from Russia, Kazakhstan, Iran, China and Venezuela take part.


        I am sure that the Geyrope did not like it at all, Chinese planes in the center of Europe, Iranian IRGC and Venezuela, plus the CST

        By the proverb: Russian is great, but German is death
    2. vkl.47
      vkl.47 29 July 2016 13: 02
      +1
      such competitions need to be broadcast on all ёpte channels. It's not meldon games.) We don’t have any media sphere. We’ve got a tank biathlon on the record. When everyone knows the result. We need online broadcasting. . all through .ope do
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 29 July 2016 13: 10
        0
        Quote: vkl.47
        such competitions must be broadcast on all channels

        Yes ... it is necessary ... here is a group in contact ... https: //new.vk.com/army_games
        and the site of the International Army Games themselves http://armygames2016.mil.ru/
  2. Shamsik
    Shamsik 29 July 2016 12: 28
    +10
    It would not be bad for our pilots to fly in the Chinese sky on their planes.
    1. win
      win 29 July 2016 12: 42
      +4
      It would not be bad for our pilots to fly in the Chinese sky on their planes.

      What for? Comparable natural conditions can also be found in Russia. And there is no need to fly over China in the future.
      1. Verdun
        Verdun 29 July 2016 13: 30
        +7
        Quote: Siegen
        And there is no need to fly over China in the future.

        Drink honey with your lips. Once we already had "friendship for a century" with China. Today life is such that you need to be ready to fight anywhere in the world.
        1. win
          win 29 July 2016 14: 07
          +4
          that you need to be ready to fight anywhere in the world.

          Border conflicts are possible with China. In a global conflict, there is no need to fly at all ...
          Instead of sand, there is radioactive ash. Instead of sky - low arches of bomb shelters. Instead of arable land - a dead desert. Instead of the future - a black hole in the tunnel, at the end of which no light is visible ...
          1. Verdun
            Verdun 29 July 2016 14: 39
            +2
            Quote: Siegen
            Instead of sand, there is radioactive ash. Instead of sky - low arches of bomb shelters. Instead of arable land - a dead desert. Instead of the future - a black hole in the tunnel, at the end of which no light is visible ...

            Many do not want to understand that most modern wars are wars for resources. And so everyone will look for ways to avoid nuclear war. Imagine a situation where, by the way, our citizens live in the territory of Russia, by the way, the Chinese Armed Forces - ten million commercials. And you nuclear weapons against them? And it’s not at all a fact that our oligarchs in power, who are interested in China’s resources no less than the Chinese in ours, will begin to throw nuclear warheads at them.
            1. win
              win 29 July 2016 14: 51
              +4
              The Chinese Armed Forces - ten million commercials. And you nuclear weapons against them?

              A "small" nuclear strike should be delivered on the territory of China to "enforce peace", and finish off those who have leaked out later. If it does not help, then a global blow to the territory.
              And about the oligarchs, I completely agree with you ...
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 29 July 2016 16: 11
                +4
                Quote: Siegen
                A "small" nuclear strike should be delivered on the territory of China to "enforce peace", and finish off those who have leaked out later. If it does not help, then a global blow to the territory.

                Would you at least think a little about what to write ... the question is HOW MANY NUMBERS OF CARRIERS AND NUCLEAR WARS HEADS IN CHINA? I will simplify the task for you-NO ONE KNOWS. There may be 300 pieces, and maybe 3000 pieces, as China did not sign any documents to control and reduce nuclear weapons and carriers.
                And now question number two - On our "low-power nuclear strike" for enforcing peace, from the other side there may very well be an answer, on the decomposition of our cities into atoms, and it is not at all a fact that our missile defense system will "absorb" most of this swarm of warheads. This situation does not bother you at all, no?
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 29 July 2016 16: 17
                  +5
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  On our "low-power nuclear strike" to enforce peace, there may even be a response from the other side by decomposing our cities into atoms, and it is not at all certain that our missile defense system will "absorb" most of this swarm of warheads.

                  Andrey, here one should take into account not the Chinese ICBMs of which there are relatively few but the MRBMs, which are strategic weapons in relation to Russia. By sheer coincidence, most of China's medium-range missiles are deployed along the borders with Russia and Kazakhstan. Our missile defense system will not "swallow" much, since we practically do not have it. Only Moscow is protected from single warheads.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 29 July 2016 16: 23
                    +4
                    Quote: Bongo
                    Andrey, here it should be considered not Chinese ICBMs which are relatively few

                    Serega, China may have these ICBMs like a fool of candy wrappers and you know that. There is no and no accounting, and the Chinese simply do not let the control commissions. In addition, they don’t publish about the amount of their nuclear arsenal. So there may be much more of them than ours.

                    Quote: Bongo
                    By pure chance, most of the Chinese medium-range missiles are located along the borders with Russia and Kazakhstan

                    Here I am about the same ...
                    Quote: Bongo
                    Our missile defense system will not "swallow" much, since we practically do not have it.

                    So it turns out that to "calm down" China with a small nuclear charge is like, excuse me, knocking on a crocodile's forehead with genetics, hoping that it will die from a concussion.
                    1. Bongo
                      Bongo 29 July 2016 16: 34
                      +2
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Serega, China may have these ICBMs like a fool of candy wrappers and you know that. There is no and no accounting, and the Chinese simply do not let the control commissions. In addition, they don’t publish about the amount of their nuclear arsenal. So there may be much more of them than ours.

                      I think that I will not tell you a big secret if I say that I am a little familiar with this issue. The number of ICBMs in the Second Artillery Corps of the PRC is estimated at approximately 100 units and all of them are aimed at the United States. But the number of Chinese mobile ballistic missiles is not known; they may even be greater than the number of ICBMs in the Strategic Missile Forces. Read here if interested:
                      Nuclear potential of China: history and modernity. Part 1
                      Nuclear potential of China: history and modernity. Part 2
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      So it turns out that to "calm down" China with a small nuclear charge is like, excuse me, knocking on a crocodile's forehead with genetics, hoping that it will die from a concussion.

                      You can't argue with that ... yes
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 29 July 2016 16: 40
                        +2
                        Quote: Bongo
                        Read here if interested:
                        Nuclear potential of China: history and modernity. Part 1
                        Nuclear potential of China: history and modernity. Part 2

                        Thank you, friend ... be sure to check out ...
                        Quote: Bongo
                        Our missile defense system will not "swallow" much, since we practically do not have it.

                        You know, Serega, in the light of this, I really hope that they will soon begin to supply the Knights S-350 to the troops, as well as to Nudol and S-500 ... I really hope. And we need a lot of this good In addition to the Trimphs. At the same time, the serious question arises of placing a certain part of our missile defense on ships, following the example of mattresses.
                    2. your1970
                      your1970 29 July 2016 16: 52
                      +2
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      So it turns out that to "calm down" China with a small nuclear charge, it's like, I'm sorry, knocking a crocodile on the forehead with genetics, hoping that it will die from a concussion

                      So with the 10 millionth army, we can’t cope without any nuclear weapons in any scenario. little bit more than the Wehrmacht in the Great Patriotic War, and now we don’t have a red army in numbers. So it’s only large in the border areas (to cut off the rear) and large cities (to cut off the management and mob reserves). And after praying, we will start to clean slowly. .
                      And all other options are not feasible-we will not pull the Second World War for a number of reasons (especially economic) ....
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 29 July 2016 17: 04
                        +1
                        Quote: your1970
                        So, we can’t cope with the 10 millionth army without the use of nuclear weapons in any scenario, it’s a little more than the Wehrmacht in the Second World War, and now we don’t have a red army in size. to cut off management and mob reserves) .After that, after praying, we will begin to clean slowly ...
                        And all other options are not feasible-we will not pull the Second World War for a number of reasons (especially economic) ....

                        Only in this way ... in this case, you will have to hit the very bone, carefully and painfully, in order to avoid "peretonit" ... and first of all, these are the bases of the Chinese Navy and AUG.
                      2. entangled
                        entangled 31 July 2016 00: 50
                        0
                        Well, I wouldn’t be so categorical - they also said about the USSR at that time that it was an ear on clay feet - but the roasted cock ... well, they pecked - there were economists, designers and military leaders - at the cost of a lot of blood, of course, well, it’s necessary to draw conclusions from history ... that’s what we definitely won’t pull - this is the number of Chinese - where and who will bury them ??? :)
                      3. Cobra77
                        Cobra77 31 July 2016 04: 56
                        0
                        In general, about the USSR by the end of the 30s, no one said that he was an ear with feet of clay. And Britain, the United States and France fully appreciated the capabilities of the Union. And Japan is also personally convinced. Only the Nazis, who were essentially hooked on their own pre-war propaganda about the "Untermenshes in the East, enslaved by the Jews by the commissars," partially believed in this. But after a month of fighting, many of them realized that something had gone wrong. That even possessing a numerical, technical and, most importantly, organizational superiority, the Wehrmacht somehow stalls, and the same Romanians, in general, got a full blow and it's good that they are not running yet.

                        Well, the difference from the Union is that the Union was preparing for war, the leadership in the mid-30s understood that war was inevitable, the question was only when and in what configuration. And factories, and generals and engineers, and mob. the reserve was not found with the wave of a magic wand, but precisely because they were seriously preparing for war. What can not be said about now, even being a complete cheer patriot. We are unfortunately not ready for war. While one saves, the rest are also not yet ready, or only partially.

                        As for the war with China and its 10 -20 armored army, well, the number is good (God loves to help large battalions), but it still needs to be realized, but here's the trouble. On our borders, such an army can not be held, not those areas, not those roads. Plus time for concentration and deployment. Supply. Well, the directions of possible blows there on the fingers can be counted. Not a maneuver. Hits exclusively along the roads. Well, also Kazakhstan. Actually, you can hold key points for quite a while with small forces until the transfer of the main forces from the European and southern parts of the Russian Federation. Provided of course that the air defense umbrella will at least somehow stay there. And China itself is extremely vulnerable to nuclear weapons. Basic prom. centers and populations are concentrated off the coast. If it goes to extremes .... But I do not see any prerequisite what for China would have such games. Resources are easier to buy from us, and to rob and colonize around there, and so there is someone and they are not as toothy and evil as Ivan.
                2. entangled
                  entangled 31 July 2016 00: 42
                  0
                  does not bother. You inattentively read Siegen's answer: he referred to the fact that the invasion of the Chinese army by 10 million into our territory is answered by a nuclear baton in China, but what if he throws 300 or 3000 in response - and who said it would be easy ?? ? - but it’s just that our army can arrange an Armageddian - and it holds back such urges to fight for resources not only from China:) ... and everything goes to the point that wars for plain clean water will soon begin ...
      2. Bongo
        Bongo 29 July 2016 16: 05
        +3
        Quote: Siegen
        And there is no need to fly over China in the future.

        Are you sure? No. The Chinese think differently. You "do not know" on what machines a special unit of Chinese "Aggressors" is flying based at the airfield of the Center for Combat Use of the PLA Air Force "Dingxin" in the Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region?
        This unit is armed with Russian-built Su-27 fighters and pilots are trained in Russian techniques. Pilots from other PLA air forces regularly arrive at Dinsin airbase on a rotational basis to conduct training air battles with the Aggressors.
  3. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 29 July 2016 12: 29
    +13
    The Chinese and in the tank biathlon perform on their tanks, so why not use their planes on Aviadarts? Everything is natural. It would be surprising if they did not.
  4. DPN
    DPN 29 July 2016 12: 39
    +5
    running in their weapons on the territory of a possible enemy.
  5. nik-karata
    nik-karata 29 July 2016 12: 45
    +4
    Quote: Denis Obukhov
    The Chinese and in the tank biathlon perform on their tanks, so why not use their planes on Aviadarts? Everything is natural. It would be surprising if they did not.

    not only on their tanks, but on their NEW TYPE-90 tanks. also run in new equipment. conditions, although not combat, but still soldier
    1. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 29 July 2016 13: 14
      +1
      Quote: nik-karata
      so in fact on their NEW TYPE-90 tanks. also run in new equipment. conditions, although not combat, but still


      The conditions are just good, a special route.
      But tanks are not fighting on the contrary, Formula cars are not a car, even for highways.
  6. hly
    hly 29 July 2016 12: 57
    +27
    I can not help but share on the topic of sports :)
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 July 2016 13: 09
    +5
    It is wise to use every opportunity to test your equipment in difficult conditions. The Chinese have no combat clashes with anyone at all. And they have no idea about the military stability of their troops, and their capabilities in combat conditions.
  8. quolta
    quolta 29 July 2016 13: 10
    +6
    Su-24m also takes 8 tons not to be confused with the Su-24 of the earliest series
  9. Lanista
    Lanista 29 July 2016 13: 11
    +2
    And the third reason.
    And why should they fly? A pilot without an airplane in the sky looks awkward, and their pilots are imprisoned precisely for their aircraft.
  10. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 29 July 2016 13: 29
    +1
    All competently and improve the technique and PR campaign is not bad.
  11. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 29 July 2016 13: 48
    0
    It turns out that the Chinese are faster than our 24th, and the load is greater.
    1. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 29 July 2016 14: 06
      0
      VOENOBOZ
      It turns out that the Chinese are faster than our 24th, and the load is greater.


      Sense of comparing the Chinese with the 24th? 24 is already withdrawn from service, they are already being thrown by Syria.
      In real life it is already necessary to compare with the 34th.
  12. Freelancer7
    Freelancer7 29 July 2016 13: 48
    +1
    This is a cross between a Jaguar and a Tornado.
    1. svp67
      svp67 29 July 2016 16: 03
      +1
      Quote: Freelancer7
      This is a cross between a Jaguar and a Tornado.

      Hidden under the "Bukhara" carpet ...
  13. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 29 July 2016 13: 50
    0
    Russian Su-24 aircraft are currently undergoing modernization, but not intensively. According to the plans of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, by 2020 they will be replaced by new multifunctional fighter-bomber Su-34

    And how were they going to replace their Su-34s with a production volume of 16-18 aircraft per year ?? By 2020, it is time it will be the first 34 to write off, with such their intensity of use. And while there are no plans to radically expand their production.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 31 July 2016 07: 48
      0
      Su-34 is not so much needed. Their% of combat-ready aircraft is higher than that of the Su-24k. And I hope that our defense industry will finish the production of sighting containers and the Su-30 can be fully used on the ground ...
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 31 July 2016 07: 48
      0
      Su-34 is not so much needed. Their% of combat-ready aircraft is higher than that of the Su-24k. And I hope that our defense industry will finish the production of sighting containers and the Su-30 can be fully used on the ground ...
  14. Bramb
    Bramb 29 July 2016 13: 53
    0
    Vague doubts torment me: can they really fly on them ?!
    Who would have thought of that !!!
  15. uskrabut
    uskrabut 29 July 2016 14: 26
    +4
    The Chinese, after their cultural revolution, are much smarter, they are developing science and technology, and they are not sparing money on it. And flying your own airplanes on air darts is also a good idea - here is advertising, and testing in other climatic conditions, and comparison in terms of use with other equipment. They will find shoals in their planes, fix and have decent equipment, moreover, of their production.
  16. quolta
    quolta 30 July 2016 05: 55
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    Quote: VOENOBOZ
    It turns out that the Chinese are faster than our 24th, and the load is greater.

    Quote: VOENOBOZ
    It turns out that the Chinese are faster than our 24th, and the load is greater.

    I don’t know about the Chinese, our Su-24 was created for a flight with an envelope of the terrain of 1400 km per hour, maximum speed in glider strength, but the maximum speed on the ground is the same for all aircraft