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Filling for tank imagers will now be Russian

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The Istok enterprise and the Tsiklon Scientific Research Institute (included in the Ruselectronica holding) are preparing the mass production of “uncooled matrix microbolometric receivers” that form the basis of thermal imaging devices, according to News with reference to Alexei Gorbunov, a representative of the Research Institute.


Filling for tank imagers will now be Russian


“Production of domestic uncooled matrix microbolometer receivers is an important technology for maintaining state security and providing the civil sector with a modern level of technical vision. This is an opportunity not only to make our military equipment truly all-weather, the use of high-precision weapons independent of the situation on the battlefield, but also make a serious contribution to the development of the civil sector. Our matrices can be used in devices for thermal audit, medical technology for the early detection of cancer, remote detection of diseases, defectoscopy and many other equipment related to the detection of thermal radiation and its identification ",
told Gorbunov.

According to him, "Russia has become the fourth country in the world after the United States, France and China, which managed to create its own thermal imaging matrix."

“Samples were obtained that correspond to the parameters of the world level. Production is being created in the country with production volumes up to 10 thousand units per year, ”said Gorbunov.

As Sergey Suvorov, a military expert in the field of armored vehicles, noted, “a thermal imaging camera is one of the most important parts of a modern combat vehicle, and unlike other sights, a thermal imager is able to work in complete darkness and with zero visibility.”

“The thermal imager includes not only a matrix, but also an optical system and software that can process and visualize a picture on the screen, including the detected target. Until recently, we purchased the French matrix Thales Catherine-FC and Sagem Matiz, on the basis of which the Essa thermal imaging sighting system was created for tanks T-90 or Plis for the T-80, ”he explained.

“Russian sights with the same matrix turned out to be better than French ones,” the expert specified. - Since in our country the technology of making lenses and software turned out to be better. Sanctions against the country made their adjustments to international cooperation and made it impossible to mass produce thermal imaging cameras based on imported components. ”

“The equipment created in the country is no longer just a sight, it is a complex system of both pointing weapons and night driving equipment. That is, such complexes allow the movement of vehicles to continue even if the crew of the armored vehicle lost the opportunity to personally observe the situation through the cockpit glazing, ”Suvorov added.

Help newspaper: "Production of domestic matrices could begin as early as 2010 year, but because of the" French "contract, the introduction of their own development has been constantly postponed. Today, the Ministry of Defense is ready to order not only thermal imaging systems for armored vehicles, but also sights for small arms and MANPADS, in which uncooled matrix microbolometric receivers are used. So, Mugli and Mowgli-1 sights have been created for Igla and Verba MANPADS. "Slingshots" will be put on all armored vehicles from "Almaty", "Kurgants" and "Typhoons" and even ships.
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Sergei Dubrovin
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  1. viktorrymar
    viktorrymar 27 July 2016 13: 11
    +134
    Lord bless sanctions, may they come for many years in the military technology of Russia drinks
    1. ssdfrf
      ssdfrf 27 July 2016 13: 14
      +31
      Quote: viktorrymar
      Lord bless sanctions, may they come for many years in the military technology of Russia drinks

      Sanctions are wonderful, Russia goes from one victory to another.
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 27 July 2016 13: 24
        +42
        Quote: viktorrymar
        Lord bless sanctions

        I agree a thousand percent, "this is what life-giving sanctions do"
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 27 July 2016 13: 53
          +24
          The independence of military equipment in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation from foreign production can only be welcomed, because it is precisely this that fully technically meets the national security interests of SOVEREIGN Russia
          Further success to the workers of the Russian defense industry!
          1. iConst
            iConst 27 July 2016 14: 58
            -5
            Quote: Tatiana
            The independence of military equipment in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation from foreign production can only be welcomed, because it is precisely this that fully technically meets the national security interests of SOVEREIGN Russia
            Further success to the workers of the Russian defense industry!

            However, in most cases, success is similar to a pyrrhic victory.

            What I see between the lines: a lot of money has been poured into the company that produces these matrices. There is no time for "little things" - by any means.

            Matrices will be produced exclusively on the domestic market - it is unlikely that these products will be sold in sufficient quantities abroad to reach a payback similar to foreign products.

            By the way, regarding the French products mentioned in the article: I think a person is cunning defining the superiority of our developments over the French ones: the dual-purpose matrices allowed for sale on the Russian market were compared.

            Thermal imager sensitivity is decisive for modern weapons.
            And someone thinks that the Americans would allow top products to be sold to Russia?

            Bans on the sale of high technology were in force before the sanctions, since Russia was always, even in the best of times, among the potential opponents.
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 27 July 2016 17: 04
              +2
              Quote: iConst
              Quote: Tatiana
              The independence of military equipment in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation from foreign production can only be welcomed, because it is precisely this that fully technically meets the national security interests of SOVEREIGN Russia
              Further success to the workers of the Russian defense industry!

              However, in most cases, success is similar to a pyrrhic victory.

              What I see between the lines: a lot of money has been poured into the company that produces these matrices. There is no time for "little things" - by any means.

              Matrices will be produced exclusively on the domestic market - it is unlikely that these products will be sold in sufficient quantities abroad to reach a payback similar to foreign products.

              By the way, regarding the French products mentioned in the article: I think a person is cunning defining the superiority of our developments over the French ones: the dual-purpose matrices allowed for sale on the Russian market were compared.

              Thermal imager sensitivity is decisive for modern weapons.
              And someone thinks that the Americans would allow top products to be sold to Russia?

              Bans on the sale of high technology were in force before the sanctions, since Russia was always, even in the best of times, among the potential opponents.

              And how can the allowed matrices differ from the unacceptable ones? This is not software, you won’t get around here.
            2. urganov
              urganov 27 July 2016 17: 17
              +12
              Quote: iConst
              I think a person is cunning defining the superiority of our developments over the French:

              I assure you that the person is not dissembling. Was related to this topic 8-10 years ago. And even then the French were resting in comparison with our developments and experimental (small-scale) products. And he was familiar with the plans for the development of the topic. Himself ran through the fields measuring heat leaks remotely on power lines, there was a "method" to determine the current leakage ... And at home examined these "thermal imagers" as a test.
              1. Alex_Tug
                Alex_Tug 27 July 2016 18: 39
                0
                Quote: iConst
                I think a person is cunning defining the superiority of our developments over the French:


                urganov
                I assure you that a person does not dissemble. Related to this topic about 8-10 years ago. And even then the French were resting in comparison with our developments and experienced (small-scale) products.


                And here the French were resting? We bought these matrices calmly under Serdyukov. And not only IR matrices, but also other components. And they made their own devices. Were they better than the French ones or not? Nobody did this analysis. Only French components were used to make instruments for themselves (IMHO, it is clear that Russian tanks should be integrated with Russian systems, not NATO systems). The stupid dispute with a bang for the patriots is designed, not for specialists who are in the subject.
                1. Idiot
                  Idiot 27 July 2016 19: 09
                  +6
                  What if France refused to sell us its IR matrices and other components, as in the case of the Mistrals? What will not be answered by jingoistic patriots and experts who are in the subject? ...
                  1. Alex_Tug
                    Alex_Tug 28 July 2016 01: 11
                    -1
                    What if France refused to sell us its IR matrices and other components, as in the case of the Mistrals?


                    CCDs are manufactured and actively used by Nikon, Canon, Sony, Fuji, Kodak, Matsushita, Philips and many others. In Russia, CCD matrices are developed and produced today: OJSC Central Research Institute of Electronics, CJSC NPP ELAR, OJSC Central Scientific Research Institute of Electronics St. Petersburg.

                    All these companies are able (for some reason Samsung like many others) to produce IR matrices. (someone releases). As a joke, one company forgot to put an IR filter in one batch of cameras. The men were happy shooting (photographing) the girls at night in the IR range.
                    1. Alex_Tug
                      Alex_Tug 28 July 2016 02: 19
                      +1
                      So for information, the Indian MiG-29UPG (after the upgrade) cooler (I specially emphasize this word) than the Russian counterpart. India buys French systems and puts on its fighters. Russia cannot treat itself like that.
                      1. venik
                        venik 29 July 2016 18: 00
                        +3
                        Quote: Alex_Tug
                        So for information, the Indian MiG-29UPG (after the upgrade) is cooler (I specifically emphasize this word) than the Russian counterpart. India buys French systems and puts on its fighters.


                        So, for information ... French RVV Magic-2 with a thermal seeker, capture the target (on the opposite courses) at a distance of 8 km. Soviet / Russian P-73 - 30/40 km (although they appeared 3 years earlier!).

                        PS India for some reason (I don’t know why) prefers P-73 over Magic (and even adapted them to the French Mirages) ...
                        PPS God forbid, I am not going to haul the magnificent French equipment! Just in my opinion it would be necessary to develop our own (especially since there is something to rely on ...).
                    2. nikcris
                      nikcris 28 July 2016 22: 32
                      0
                      Go play with the girls. At the same time, tell us which "one" company "forgot" to put an IR filter ...
              2. Monarchist
                Monarchist 27 July 2016 20: 41
                -6
                Thank you for the comment: it’s nice when a knowledgeable person writes, otherwise urapatriots or pisimists spoil everything
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 27 July 2016 22: 22
                  +9
                  Quote: Monarchist
                  writers spoil everything

                  writers are FIVE yes
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 27 July 2016 22: 27
                    +11
                    Quote: Cat Man Null
                    writers are FIVE

                    No. 99 points on the exam
                    And there is also the great Misipisi River fellow
                    Roma drinks
              3. Pilot
                Pilot 28 July 2016 18: 29
                0
                Quote: urganov
                And at home I examined these "thermal imagers" as a test.

                Thermal imagers on 133la3? probably collected. I’m terribly sorry to penetrate the microelectronics of our country.
            3. Homo
              Homo 27 July 2016 17: 48
              +11
              Quote: iConst
              However, in most cases, success is similar to a pyrrhic victory.

              Pyrrhic victory - Pyrrhic victory According to the ancient Greek historian Plutarch, the king of Epirus Pyrrhus in 279 BC. e., after his victory over the Romans near Asculum, exclaimed: "Another such victory, and we died."
              And why would Russia die?
              Quote: iConst
              What I see between the lines: a lot of money is poured into the enterprise producing these matrices.

              But in the USA, France, China, it cost a penny?
              Quote: iConst
              Matrices will be produced exclusively on the domestic market - it is unlikely that these products will be sold in sufficient quantities abroad to reach a payback similar to foreign products.

              Yes, actually, Russian military equipment is selling well abroad.
              Quote: iConst
              By the way, regarding the French products mentioned in the article: I think a person is cunning defining the superiority of our developments over the French ones: the dual-purpose matrices allowed for sale on the Russian market were compared.

              Do you know the performance characteristics of Russian products? wink
              Quote: iConst
              The sensitivity of the thermal imager is crucial for modern weapons.
              And someone thinks that the Americans would allow top products to be sold to Russia?

              And who told you that we make analogues of American products?
              Quote: iConst
              Bans on the sale of high technology were in force before the sanctions, since Russia was always, even in the best of times, among the potential opponents.

              This once again confirms that we are going our own way, we are developing at the expense of our developments! hi
              1. Monarchist
                Monarchist 27 July 2016 20: 47
                -1
                Just that he is not interested. It is sweeter when there is reason to say about the wretchedness of our latest developments: this is possible under the Communists or, at worst, in the West
              2. iConst
                iConst 27 July 2016 21: 58
                -5
                - I explain, Homo:
                Quote: Homo
                King Epirus Pierre in 279 BC e., after his victory over the Romans near Asculum, exclaimed: "Another such victory, and we died."
                And why would Russia die?
                - A question to a question - And why did the USSR fall apart?

                Answer: no one has canceled the economy. The Americans invested billions in weapons, then beat them off in the market.
                The USSR gave both weapons and technology left and right. And the commercial component was far from in the first place.

                Quote: Homo
                Yes, actually, Russian military equipment is selling well abroad.
                - Well - this is NI-A-CHOM.
                Read more not cheers-a-la-all-tear articles, but real, critical.
                And you will see that the Russian segment is mainly countries with a limited budget.

                Yes - there is a place to be, poor people in bulk. India does not buy weapons just like that - only with licenses for technologies or "combinations". The Finns bought weapons and licenses from the USSR to the last. Now what? I am waiting for an exhaustive answer.

                Quote: Homo
                Do you know the performance characteristics of Russian products?
                - This, excuse me, is incomprehensible. Clear up?
                Quote: Hom
                And who told you that we make analogues of American products?
                “Have you taken a glass?” Or two? Or cognitive dissonance?

                Quote: Homo
                This once again confirms that we are going our own way ...
                - Now it is clear.
                Yes Yes. All in a bunch. Over the hill, all the suckers.

                People are drunk in the hinterland, and there are not enough 400 thousand wood a month for deputies in Moscau.

                Hooray-people - do you even understand that everything does not happen for .. bts, when half the country somehow survives?

                When pensioners, unlike foreign ones, cannot go anywhere?

                Let’s - shout your urya-I-II. ... And believe that in the absence of competition, the production of thermal imaging arrays will be awesomely optimal.
                1. adept666
                  adept666 29 July 2016 07: 22
                  +6
                  - A question to a question - And why did the USSR fall apart?
                  Because the traitors settled in the highest echelons of power and only for this, everything else is a consequence.
                  Answer: no one has canceled the economy. The Americans invested billions in weapons, then beat them off in the market.
                  Here is what the iron lady said about this in her memoirs:
                  “The Soviet Union is a country that posed a serious threat to the Western world. I am not talking about a military threat. In essence, it was not. Our countries are quite well armed, including nuclear weapons. I mean the economic threat. Thanks to a planned policy and a peculiar combination of moral and material incentives, the Soviet Union managed to achieve high economic indicators. The percentage of gross national product growth was approximately two times higher than in our countries. If we take into account the enormous natural resources of the USSR, then with the rational management of the economy the Soviet Union had very real opportunities to oust us from world markets.
                  Those. Until a certain point, the USSR did everything right, and then how it appeared in the state. In the apparatus, agents of influence began to do one stupidity after another, and here it is the result.
                  - Well - this is NI-A-CHOM. Read more not cheers-a-la-all-tear articles, but real, critical. And you will see that the Russian segment is mainly countries with a limited budget.
                  You know, in general, by the drum who buys our weapons, it is important here to place in the global arms export and we have the second line ~ 27%, i.e. a third of world exports, and so for almost 10 years in a row, this seems to hint. And I would advise you not to get carried away by the rain, and to visit the portal is done, I suspect you will be a little shocked.
                  Hooray-people - do you even understand that everything does not happen for .. bts, when half the country somehow survives?
                  who wants to live, he lives normally, and who wants freebies (this is our national) he always whines, do not whine, but work.
                  People are drunk in the hinterland, and there are not enough 400 thousand wood a month for deputies in Moscau.
                  Are the deputies pouring vodyaru in their throats? Are they amoeba limp? I will tell you this: there is a living example 4 families from Kazakhstan came to Russia (Russians), ordinary families without show-offs and extra money, arrived in a village in Altai Krai (I don’t remember Kulunda or Klyuchi for sure) created a small farm for three years: cattle , pigs, a mini poultry farm (hens / eggs), sunflowers (butter) and live in a mustache, and all this with a minimum input budget. Local thump mostly. Question: why were these able, but not local? Who did not give them 4 five yards to invest a little to create their own mini-farm? The wagon lands, nature allows, but everyone thumps, whines and thumps, thumps and whines ...
                  Let’s - shout your urya-I-II. ... And believe that in the absence of competition, the production of thermal imaging arrays will be awesomely optimal.
                  Who told you here about optimality? While yelling and mostly stupid, you’ll excuse me. And how is this no competition? There are manufacturers of thermal imagers, for example, for domestic hunters, but using foreign matrices, now they will have the opportunity to buy Russian ones.
                  1. igorka357
                    igorka357 30 July 2016 04: 53
                    0
                    Well, only the pluses, especially about the booze, and about those who want to live on a freebie without straining! And that mister marshal goes on a marsh white-collar hunter, who has millions, but he doesn’t, and Putin doesn’t wear them like that in person, and aching!
                    1. denker1945
                      denker1945 30 July 2016 08: 53
                      -1
                      But what about the booze is not true? -Or is it that our pensioners get 10 thousand so on average 5 for housing and communal services under 6-2 thousand is normal for you? How will the uterus hear the pretzel-aaaa Maidanovets mishandled, swamp !!! - Belolentochnik !! - You will yell so after 16 years when one glorious Kingdom will remain from this glorious Kingdom. And you will blame the same swamps again when black priapas burst into your hut with hoses over your shoulder and M-XNUMX in your hands
                    2. denker1945
                      denker1945 30 July 2016 08: 53
                      -1
                      But what about the booze is not true? -Or is it that our pensioners get 10 thousand so on average 5 for housing and communal services under 6-2 thousand is normal for you? How will the uterus hear the pretzel-aaaa Maidanovets mishandled, swamp !!! - Belolentochnik !! - You will yell so after 16 years when one glorious Kingdom will remain from this glorious Kingdom. And you will blame the same swamps again when black priapas burst into your hut with hoses over your shoulder and M-XNUMX in your hands
                2. igorka357
                  igorka357 30 July 2016 05: 00
                  +1
                  You haven’t tried to work intensively, with pens, maybe with your head if you can, what would you have done for .. bts? My parents are pensioners every year I go to resorts, and I live not in Moscow, and I'm not a deputy, but a tractor driver , and I live in Siberia in Ust-Ilimsk! Who wants to live better, tries, works, tries to create something, to open his own business .. and who wants to live in chocolate without doing anything at the same time, YOU! In the backwoods, people get drunk, because the cattle are lazy, they don’t want to go to cities to earn money, they don’t want to keep their household, they want to bl .. that Putin would personally have two hundred thousand pensions for them!
            4. completely blind
              completely blind 27 July 2016 17: 48
              +3
              On the basis of French matrices, ours have created truly unique sighting systems in 2013-14. Since 2015, in free sale. The truth is they ...
            5. Idiot
              Idiot 27 July 2016 19: 06
              +6
              These devices, in the amount of 10 products per year, are just intended for delivery to their armed forces. Our total dependence on imports regarding thermal imagers has come to an end. This message is an article. All measure profit is somewhat not clever. And in terms of arms exports, the Russian Federation is second only to the United States. There is something to trade besides thermal imagers.
            6. Ratmir_Ryazan
              Ratmir_Ryazan 27 July 2016 20: 57
              +4
              Russia sells a lot of things on the world market, from grain to fuel cells for nuclear power plants and to sell Russian thermal imagers, I think it’s not a problem at all if there is a competitive price ...
            7. adept666
              adept666 29 July 2016 06: 55
              +2
              However, in most cases, success is similar to a pyrrhic victory.
              It always amazes me why, if the French, non-cooled microbolometers, make it a victory of French engineering, and if ours, then it immediately feasts.
              What I see between the lines: a lot of money has been poured into the company that produces these matrices. There is no time for "little things" - by any means.
              Well, Duc, of course, it is better to buy matrices with deliberately truncated characteristics (because they will never sell the best) and do not do your own to catch up and overtake, and for the warrior of the same to buy thermal imagers for 800 thousand. rubles (half of which the cost of the matrix overseas good ) And after that, wonder why this MiG-29 for the Indians is our plane, and the electronics are foreign and at the same time it is better than the version for our Air Force.
              Matrices will be produced exclusively on the domestic market - it is unlikely that these products will be sold in sufficient quantities abroad to reach a payback similar to foreign products.
              These matrices can be used both in military and in civilian products - time. If their level is comparable to foreign, then all sorts of Indians buying airplanes from us will not require the inclusion of a foreign component base in avionics - two.
              regarding the French products mentioned in the article: I think a person is disingenuous by determining the superiority of our developments over the French ones: dual-purpose matrices approved for sale on the Russian market were compared.
              If you read a little more carefully, you would not write this stupidity since there is no talk about matrices, this person tells you: if you take two devices (not matrices, but ready-made thermal imagers) with the same matrices, then ours is better and better because germanium glasses we do better. Glasses, not matrices! But glass is also an important element of the thermal imager! Those. if we also pull the matrices up to the level of the French, then our thermal imagers will be at the level of world achievements.
              The sensitivity of the thermal imager is crucial for modern weapons. And someone thinks that the Americans would allow top products to be sold to Russia?
              I didn’t understand something, then you say a feast of victory, immediately bring the Hindus as an example, they say they are buying good (as if to give a hint to us as well) and right there like a butt on the head: they don’t sell to us. What do you propose doing? In general, to score on thermal imagers and to score on an entire industry where we have sufficiently high competencies by world standards?
          2. Alex_Tug
            Alex_Tug 27 July 2016 15: 13
            +2
            Tatyana (3)

            good
      2. vv3
        vv3 27 July 2016 13: 33
        +3
        There were video cameras, televisions, communications, telephones, ..................................
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 27 July 2016 14: 13
          +25
          And also nails, screws, hammers and hacksaws laughing Then we will not be dependent even on China!
          1. sibiryk
            sibiryk 27 July 2016 14: 41
            +8
            and drill ... drill forgotten)))
          2. Alex_Tug
            Alex_Tug 27 July 2016 15: 14
            +6
            more pans and sneakers
            1. Idiot
              Idiot 27 July 2016 19: 11
              +1
              Chinese advertising: a pair of sneakers are sold for the price of one US dollar. The minimum lot is 1 billion pairs ...
      3. iConst
        iConst 27 July 2016 14: 19
        -14%
        Quote: ssdfrf
        Quote: viktorrymar
        Lord bless sanctions, may they come for many years in the military technology of Russia drinks

        Sanctions are wonderful, Russia goes from one victory to another.

        Yes, why rejoice?
        Until the thunder wailed, a Russian peasant ...

        If there were statesmen at the helm, there would be no sanctions - there is nothing to impose. All his own would be.

        And still - Russia in the role of catching up with rare exceptions.

        So exceptions are not particularly moving to the West.
        1. Idiot
          Idiot 27 July 2016 19: 22
          +2
          This expression did not appear out of the blue, the Russian special mentality has been going for centuries. But there is a deep meaning to this all: thunder does not hurt, it only thunders. And since there is no thunder without lightning, you should cross yourself just in case. There is a reason, maybe it’ll blow. And as for the role of the catch-up, we always harness for a long time ...
          1. You Vlad
            You Vlad 28 July 2016 14: 22
            0
            Yeah, but as a war, then from somewhere Katyusha and t 34 appear! And the country cannot help establish the production of toothbrushes)
        2. venik
          venik 29 July 2016 18: 24
          0
          Quote: iConst
          If there were statesmen at the helm, there would be no sanctions


          What are you? Are you delusional? Would there be no sanctions? And why do you think all this maidan wateryaga was brewed in Ukraine? Do you know how much dough they threw into it, what efforts did they make? They that itched "crap" in one separately taken Ukraine to bring? Hell no! They needed Ukraine, forgive the plug in ... the RF! Just because the Russian Federation is forgiven for them, too, like a plug .... well, this very place ... does not allow them to live in peace! It would not have worked in Ukraine, it would have been Georgia, Azerbaijan or something else ... The main reason is to put pressure on, to impose sanctions .. And this does not depend on whether "there is everything of its own" or not! The main thing is to "crush the competitor" - THIS IS THEY ACT. THEY ARE SO HAPPENED !!!
    2. vodolaz
      vodolaz 27 July 2016 13: 22
      0
      What good news, because of which I had a question: what did we have before?
      1. Temples
        Temples 27 July 2016 13: 26
        +15
        Quote: vodolaz
        What good news, because of which I had a question: what did we have before?

        And you just read the article.
        Preferably to the end.
        And you will get the answer to your question. laughing
        1. vodolaz
          vodolaz 27 July 2016 13: 34
          0
          Quote: Temples

          And you just read the article.
          Preferably to the end.
          And you will get the answer to your question. laughing

          Thank you))) And then I'm half at work)))
      2. Amurets
        Amurets 27 July 2016 14: 39
        +9
        Quote: vodolaz
        What good news, because of which I had a question: what did we have before?

        Recently, one member of the forum asked how we can live without a foreign instrument? So thanks to our rulers, such as Kudrin and Chubais, we closed our tool factories to please Western firms. And we thanked the customs that it did not allow us to take out drills, dies, taps are even of inappropriate sizes. Especially hard-alloy drills for metal. The imported one does not have such durability. I ran all this tool in warehouses like 50 years unclaimed, but tried to bring it out like scrap metal. Traders needed space, and the rest was unnecessary to you. Here you and the answer. It was. And the first infrared devices hit the PRC in 1969, at Damansky.
        1. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 27 July 2016 19: 05
          +10
          I WILL USE MY "RESERVES", SOVIET DRILL BITS, TAPERS, DIES - A TALE! CLUPP IS STILL FATHER'S YUZAYU WITH INTERCHANGEABLE DIES ISSUED ASH 1966. HEAVY AND OVERALL. BUT WORKS - A FAIRY TALE! WHERE IS THE CAR!
      3. Asadullah
        Asadullah 27 July 2016 14: 41
        +6
        and before that we had what?


        And before, a germanium concentrate, the same one, for thermal imaging optics, was sent abroad. Although, the author of the article did not mention that there is optics, we grind ourselves or buy the same French made in China from Russian Germanium concentrate. And vague doubts torment me ...

        By the way, production in this area for military purposes, barely covers the percentage of the market. Most of the money collected for consumer goods. From that defense, it’s fine, but if you want to make money and knock out parasites from the market, then you need to make consumer goods at home, as the respected vv3 noted above.
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 27 July 2016 17: 06
          +1
          Quote: Asadullah
          and before that we had what?


          And before, a germanium concentrate, the same one, for thermal imaging optics, was sent abroad. Although, the author of the article did not mention that there is optics, we grind ourselves or buy the same French made in China from Russian Germanium concentrate. And vague doubts torment me ...

          By the way, production in this area for military purposes, barely covers the percentage of the market. Most of the money collected for consumer goods. From that defense, it’s fine, but if you want to make money and knock out parasites from the market, then you need to make consumer goods at home, as the respected vv3 noted above.

          Did you mean that?
          Russian sights with the same matrix turned out to be better than French sights, the expert specified. - Since in our country the technology for manufacturing lenses and software turned out to be better.
          So it’s kind of written in the news ...
    3. svp67
      svp67 27 July 2016 16: 41
      +4
      Quote: viktorrymar
      Lord bless sanctions, d

      Surely, sometimes, to take a step forward, you need to get a magic pendell ...
      1. Idiot
        Idiot 27 July 2016 19: 25
        +3
        Every successful career is the result of a powerful kick in the lower back ...
    4. zloybond
      zloybond 28 July 2016 00: 53
      +1
      I didn’t hear the main thing - how punished is the comrade who lobbied for imported thermal imagers instead of his domestic ones. the rest is la la la ....
    5. mihai_md2003
      mihai_md2003 30 July 2016 02: 50
      0
      Either we don’t agree something about the technical characteristics of the matrices, or we need to find and plant the one who made the order with the French.
    6. ordinary
      ordinary 30 July 2016 11: 54
      0
      viktorrymar ..took off the tongue directly ... sanctions are not sanctions here, it’s all the fault, but our weapons were never inferior to foreign ones and we just return to our level angry
  2. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 27 July 2016 13: 13
    +1
    The news is really good, but 10000 pieces a year, isn’t it enough?
    1. atalef
      atalef 27 July 2016 13: 20
      +6
      According to him, "Russia has become the fourth country in the world after the United States, France and China, which managed to create its own thermal imaging matrix."

      Only 4 countries have developed their matrix?
      the author is burning.
      http://www.nanonewsnet.ru/news/2015/polmilliarda-na-proizvodstvo-matrits-dlya-te
      plovizorov-v-moskve
      article of November 23, 2015 - 16:11
      The author quickly managed to remove Japan and Israel from the list and stick China

      To date, only 4 countries possess the technology of mass production of thermal radiation detectors: the USA, Israel, France, and Japan. So far, Russia is not one of them; therefore, domestic companies manufacturing thermal imagers and thermal imaging systems work on imported matrices and modules.
      1. i80186
        i80186 27 July 2016 13: 28
        +7
        Quote: atalef
        Only 4 countries have developed their matrix?
        the author is burning.

        Well, probably in view of the affairs of the past. If already in 2010 they wanted to open production, then probably developed a little earlier? smile
        http://orion-ir.ru/o_predpriyatii/o_predpriyatii/
        So it goes))
        1. atalef
          atalef 27 July 2016 13: 29
          -8
          Quote: i80186
          Well, probably in view of a little thing of the past. If already in 2010 they wanted to open production, then probably developed a little earlier?

          no, back in 2015m Russia did not have them (in my previous post there is a link to the article)
          1. i80186
            i80186 27 July 2016 13: 35
            +6
            Quote: atalef
            no, back in 2015m Russia did not have them (in my previous post there is a link to the article)

            I added a reference there, everything was. It was developed for sure. Scanning so at the end of the 60's released.
            1. atalef
              atalef 27 July 2016 13: 45
              -12%
              Quote: i80186
              Quote: atalef
              no, back in 2015m Russia did not have them (in my previous post there is a link to the article)

              I added a reference there, everything was. It was developed for sure. Scanning so at the end of the 60's released.

              developed and product release - completely different things.
              especially when we talk about the development of 60's
              1. i80186
                i80186 27 July 2016 14: 26
                +11
                Quote: atalef
                developed and product release - completely different things.

                And what do you think this phrase means? smile
                According to him, "Russia has become the fourth country in the world after the United States, France and China, which managed to create its own thermal imaging matrix."

                "Create" does not mean "serial production". Do you understand Russian well enough? Have you forgotten there? smile
              2. Alex_Tug
                Alex_Tug 27 July 2016 15: 24
                +2

                atalef
                developed and product release - completely different things.
                especially when we talk about the development of 60's


                It's about uncooled. Thermal imagers cooled by liquid nitrogen were produced. From a practical point of view, such thermal imagers are better: the reference point is the temperature of liquid nitrogen. But you won’t put such a tank.
                1. Idiot
                  Idiot 27 July 2016 19: 34
                  +1
                  And in the 60s, someone developed and produced uncooled thermal imagers? What country?
              3. Idiot
                Idiot 27 July 2016 19: 30
                0
                Not logical. If nothing has been developed, then there is nothing to produce. Accordingly, the release of products is a consequence of its preliminary development. These two processes are inevitably interconnected. Release of products without their preliminary development is impossible ...
          2. urganov
            urganov 27 July 2016 17: 25
            +3
            I wrote above about participating in "trials" 10 years ago and earlier. I categorically disliked Sagem as a parterre.
      2. Asadullah
        Asadullah 27 July 2016 15: 10
        +18
        The author quickly managed to remove Japan and Israel from the list and stick China


        China is making. And even makes according to its technology. Israel in French. In general, there is nothing surprising, in the laboratory this will be collected in Honduras, stupidly following the assembly instructions. The issue is capacities. Israel, unlike Honduras, has unlimited access to facilities in the US, and even in China, for some positions. Russia has access to facilities in China. That is, there is an order, a plane ticket is Shanghai, and you are already being collected at the time indicated by the contract. There is no order, but there are shekels for development, Izya is sitting in Rehovot, and stares at the Sanov monitor, materializing the thought. smile In Russia, everything is more complicated, I don't even know why, but any project of capacities here is overgrown with mini-cubes, which instantly suck all the juices out of it. I think that it is precisely this quality of Russian business that awakens the people's longing for Stalin. And in general, these minichubays themselves are, as it were, not bad people, they are exactly Russian patriots, they teach the children correctly, the wife goes shopping on a brand new Ewok, worries about the children of Syria, but bliiin, sometimes cold frenzy suggests the idea to shoot such "patriot", or better than two hundred, and Russia would be a leap, if not ahead of the rest of the planet, then at least at the level ...
        1. Roman 11
          Roman 11 27 July 2016 19: 40
          +3
          Quote: Asadullah
          shoot such a "patriot", and preferably two hundred, and Russia

          In vain you are already, it’s already precisely calculated, a little more than 500 laughing
        2. Idiot
          Idiot 27 July 2016 20: 00
          +11
          Israel, for example, is developing its tank guns based on German developments. There is nothing wrong with that; it would be foolish to reinvent the wheel every time. The primary source of any promising development, which will then serve as a prototype for the following developments, in any field, is based on fundamental theoretical research. Those. the presence of a fundamental scientific school of the state in any field of knowledge (which takes decades and implies continuity) determines its scientific potential as a whole. We still have such a school. In China, Israel not yet. The vast majority of fundamental scientific works that have influenced the development of world science are written in English and Russian. The Anglo-Saxons created the atomic bomb (although I am sure that the Germans, but this is my subjective opinion), we were the next - the Russians. But our scientific school was more effective and, accordingly, more rational: since 1951. in the USSR, and then in Russia, uranium is enriched exclusively through a centrifuge. In the United States, a less efficient diffuse one is used up to several orders of magnitude. As a result, the Russian Federation enriches uranium in volumes equal to world ones. All together, the so-called developed countries. We were the first to fly into space, the first to live there, and you can be sure that if it weren’t for the USSR’s technology merging in the nineties, we would have remained alone in orbit. The United States was two decades behind us. Their astronauts flew into space in diapers until the nineties - American scientific thought could not develop an orbital toilet. About RD-180 can not be mentioned, apparently all working versions of the shtatovskih engines crashed on the lunar surface and there remained their drawings. Something carried me, fingers ahead of thought ... And most importantly, the Americans were not on the moon.
          1. LOKI
            LOKI 27 July 2016 21: 06
            +1
            Quote: pft, fkb
            We still have such a school. In China, Israel not yet.

            Your statement does not correspond to the facts.
            Science and technology in Israel are among the most developed industries in the country. The percentage of Israelis involved in scientific and technological activities, and the amount of expenditure on research and development in relation to gross domestic product (GDP), are among the highest in the world. (Israel's research costs are about 3% of GNP). Israel takes fourth place in the world in the field of scientific activity.

            The formation of universities and other scientific institutions was begun long before the proclamation of state sovereignty. The first scientific institution opened in Eretz Yisrael was the Mikve Yisrael Higher Agricultural School, founded in 1870.
            In the 1910's two of the currently operating major scientific institutions were laid: the Polytechnic Institute in Haifa, now the Technion (1912; opened in 1924, now one of the most famous technical universities in the world) and the Hebrew University in Jerusalem.

            Quote: pft, fkb
            But our scientific school was more effective and, accordingly, more rational: with 1951. in the USSR, and then in Russia, uranium is enriched exclusively through a centrifuge. In the United States, a less efficient diffuse ...

            Well, the Israelis "without a scientific school" in the same years developed their highly efficient technology for the production of heavy water, for which the French paid with a full-fledged reactor, and later developed (their) technology "Laser isotope separation (LRI)".
            1. Idiot
              Idiot 28 July 2016 21: 35
              +1
              Quote: L O K I
              and the Israelis "without a scientific school" in the same years developed their highly efficient technology for the production of heavy water, for which the French paid with a full-fledged reactor, and later developed (their) technology "Laser isotope separation (LRI)".


              What are the names of these Israeli scientists, their former citizenship and the educational institutions they graduated from? I have vague doubts. Probably these educational institutions are located on the territory of the Russian Federation, the former USSR. Or in the United States, perhaps somewhere in Europe, but not in the territory of Israel itself. Those. a person formed as a scientist in another country, then came to Israel and continued his scientific activity. you are inattentive, I said what I mean by the term "scientific school". This is continuity. By the concept of "fundamental scientific activity" I mean such activity as a result of which DISCOVERY is born - a unique primary scientific event that served as an impetus for the formation of a new worldview on a scale of all mankind, such as the invention of the wheel or the discovery of penecillin, or the incandescent light bulb invented by a Russian engineer Yablochkin, perfected by Edison, and it is popularly called the "Ilyich lamp" ... Concerning the "highly efficient technology for the production of heavy water" and "laser separation of uranium isotopes" - this is the essence of the improvement of the well-known and long-discovered by other scientists who have nothing to do with the Israeli scientific school, technological processes, perhaps their acceleration and greater efficiency, cost reduction (although I know for sure that mankind has not yet invented anything more efficient and cheaper than the centrifuge method. Even the design of the Russian centrifuge is unique - 3000 revolutions per second for 30 years at a height of 1 meter p 20 centimeters (the best western centrifuge is 7 meters high)), but this is just an improvement of what has already been opened and done, nothing more. Again, in what language do Israeli scientists publish their scientific work? The National Science School implies the presentation of thoughts to scientists in their native language. The mother tongue is the language in which a person thinks. Regarding the number of educational institutions and scientists per capita, financial indicators, and so on and so forth, all this is bullshit, as well as the Nobel Prize, which is extremely biased on a national basis. A person should be judged by his deeds, the state - by the deeds of the people inhabiting him. However, everyone knows that Russia is the birthplace of elephants ...
              1. Professor
                Professor 29 July 2016 07: 01
                0
                Quote: pft, fkb
                What are the names of these Israeli scholars, their former citizenship, and the educational institutions they graduated from? Vague doubts torment me. Probably these educational institutions are located on the territory of the Russian Federation, the former USSR.

                Nobel laureates, not a single graduate of educational institutions located in the territory of the Russian Federation, the former USSR.
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Aumann
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Ciechanover
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avram_Hershko
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Kahneman
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Levitt
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Shechtman
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arieh_Warshel
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Yonath

                The Faculty of Aeronautics of the Technion, not a single graduate of educational institutions located in the territory of the Russian Federation, the former USSR. And in general, only one Russian-speaking.
                http://aerospace.technion.ac.il/people/faculty-members/

                Quote: pft, fkb
                This is the continuity

                The technion is already under 100 years of succession.

                Quote: pft, fkb
                Again, in what language do Israeli scholars publish their scientific papers?

                In Yiddish, CEP. wassat World-class Russian scientists publish their work in English. Links to give? wink
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          3. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 29 July 2016 09: 36
            0
            Israel simply bought a license for a German gun (standard for NATO), so that in case of war, have access to NATO tank shells. From the Western countries only the French showed off with their 120mm gun and the British with a 120mm rifled gun.
        3. LOKI
          LOKI 27 July 2016 20: 34
          0
          Quote: Asadullah
          China is making. And even makes according to its technology. Israel in French.


          This is not entirely true. In 2000, the subsidiary SemiConductor Devices (SCD) was founded by ELBIT and RAFAEL, and it is the main developer Israeli manufacturing technology uncooled matrices.

          At 2008, SCD was selected as the official partner of the American DARPA for further research in thermal imaging technology.

          http://www.scd.co.il



          But the Chinese production technology just has imported roots, including French and Israeli ones (they bought something, stole something - the Chinese request )
    2. Lanista
      Lanista 27 July 2016 13: 22
      +1
      Fine. Approximately corresponds (and even outstrips) the volume of annual output + the volume of modernization of weapons and military equipment.
      There is another question - will we master the declared 10 thousand?
      1. Svateev
        Svateev 27 July 2016 14: 11
        0
        Quote: Lanista
        Approximately corresponds (and even outstrips) the volume of annual output + the volume of modernization of weapons and military equipment.

        Have you forgotten about the need for thermal imaging sights? There would be so many of them alone - pieces per 10tys per year.
    3. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 27 July 2016 13: 28
      +2
      I think our industry is at first and it will not recycle. The release of devices based on these matrices is unlikely to exceed several thousand a year, maybe in five years, but even then we simply will not have as many consumers, most of it will be exported. The news is certainly great, probably the most excellent in recent times.
      1. atalef
        atalef 27 July 2016 13: 55
        -11%
        Quote: chunga-changa
        I think our industry at first and it does not recycle. Release of devices based on these matrices,

        Matrix, and who produces germanium lenses?
        I won’t talk about the stuffing of the camera - but who releases the lenses?
        1. vadimtt
          vadimtt 27 July 2016 14: 09
          +9
          Germanium lenses are a purely Russian production, by the way. That is why they couldn’t do it in electronics - it’s not clear.
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 27 July 2016 15: 19
            0
            Germanium lenses are a purely Russian production, by the way. That is why they couldn’t do it in electronics - it’s not clear.


            laughing My friend, you didn’t confuse a germanium concentrate with optics that you need to grow in zones, polish the places of adhesions, etc. using an electron microscope. And just do not mention small firms, such as Tydeks, manufacturing optics to order. You’ll go around the world with them.
            1. vadimtt
              vadimtt 27 July 2016 15: 27
              +3
              Not confused, it's about growing and subsequent processing in 4 lambda, who is more?
              1. Asadullah
                Asadullah 27 July 2016 16: 20
                +1
                Not confused, it’s about growing and subsequent processing in 4 lambdas, who is more


                OK, then voice the foreign devices in which Russian lenses stand.
                1. vadimtt
                  vadimtt 28 July 2016 09: 00
                  0
                  Well, you yourself know, in view of the extreme shortage and defense orientation, such products are not shipped abroad. And even with deliveries they would not be used in foreign samples for obvious reasons. And our household sector (8-24mm lenses, 1-2 lambdas) ours, as always, are not interested.
                  Therefore, everything is limited to the supply of raw materials.
                  1. Alex_Tug
                    Alex_Tug 30 July 2016 06: 38
                    0
                    There, the Chinese rivet lenses at 5-50mm.
                    http://www.shanghai-optics.com/products/night-vision-lenses/

                    Cheap and cheerful, there is nothing complicated about it.
              2. Alex_Tug
                Alex_Tug 30 July 2016 07: 32
                0
                about the cultivation and subsequent processing in 4 lambda

                http://www.crystaltechno.com/
                Look at the nomenclature and deal with your lambda.
                What lenses and for what purpose you need them I do not know.
        2. Hellraiser
          Hellraiser 27 July 2016 14: 12
          +5
          “Russian sights with the same matrix turned out to be better than French sights,” the expert specified. - Since in our country the technology for manufacturing lenses and software turned out to be better.

          Here is the answer from the article. hi
          1. MACCABI-TLV
            MACCABI-TLV 27 July 2016 17: 54
            0
            Quote: Hellraiser
            Russian sights with the same matrix were better than French sights,

            "And only with passenger cars, nothing m .... does not work" (c) smile
            1. Idiot
              Idiot 27 July 2016 20: 05
              +5
              It is what it is. But, by the way, what brands of cars does Israel produce?
              1. MACCABI-TLV
                MACCABI-TLV 28 July 2016 11: 32
                0
                Quote: pft, fkb
                But, by the way, what brands of cars does Israel produce?

                Quote: yushch
                You might think Israel produces excellent cars and trucks.

                http://www.zibarusa.com/
                or such.

                and this despite the fact that in Israel there are no natural resources, and the population is 8 million people.
              2. Professor
                Professor 28 July 2016 18: 09
                +1
                Quote: pft, fkb
                It is what it is. But, by the way, what brands of cars does Israel produce?

                The great automobile power of Israel found the same for me. laughing
                In addition to the licensed assembly, it launches its SUVs such as Tomcat or COMBAT GUARD.

                1. Idiot
                  Idiot 28 July 2016 21: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  The great automobile power Israel found the same to me.


                  And who told you that Russia is a great automobile power? In Russia, as in Israel, as far as I can see which car will not be released, everything looks like a tank ...
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 29 July 2016 07: 06
                    0
                    Quote: pft, fkb
                    And who told you that Russia is a great automobile power? In Russia, as in Israel, as far as I can see which car will not be released, everything looks like a tank ...

                    In Israel for the army and released. Therefore, it looks like a tank. For civilian needs, they are bought from the best world manufacturers. The number of cars per capita rolls unfortunately. sad
                    1. Zaurbek
                      Zaurbek 29 July 2016 09: 45
                      0
                      It is less difficult to assemble vehicles from foreign components than to completely produce everything ... You can not take cars, but take a Merkava tank 1,2,3,4. and it turns out that the key components are American or German. I'm not talking about Western sanctions, but with banal exports, they may prohibit the re-export of an engine with a transmission. As for resources, they may well impose a naval blockade. And where does the ore for steel come from. No one belittles the achievements of Japan, Korea or Israel, but your senior comrades control all the deliveries of raw materials and technologies to you.
            2. yushch
              yushch 27 July 2016 22: 03
              +2
              Quote: MACCABI-TLV
              Quote: Hellraiser
              Russian sights with the same matrix were better than French sights,

              "And only with passenger cars, nothing m .... does not work" (c) smile


              You might think Israel produces excellent cars and trucks. laughing
              1. user1212
                user1212 28 July 2016 16: 17
                +2
                Quote: yushch
                You might think Israel produces excellent cars and trucks.

                Well, how can I tell you ... repainted the wrangler - it turned out AIL Storm laughing
            3. MMX
              MMX 28 July 2016 18: 31
              0
              Quote: MACCABI-TLV
              Quote: Hellraiser
              Russian sights with the same matrix were better than French sights,

              "And only with passenger cars, nothing m .... does not work" (c) smile


              This in Israel with cars does not work. But in Russia, this is all right. Proof of this is the number of cars produced and bought. More recently, the Russian Federation is the largest car market in Europe.
        3. Alex_Tug
          Alex_Tug 30 July 2016 07: 33
          0
          But who releases lenses?

          http://www.crystaltechno.com/
    4. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 27 July 2016 13: 54
      +2
      Quote: Expelling Liberoids
      The news is really good, but 10000 pieces a year, isn’t it enough?

      I think this is the need today. There will be a demand for 100 thousand. They will expand production.
  3. SVD
    SVD 27 July 2016 13: 18
    +4
    The development of modern technologies in Russia is one of the foundations of its independence and defense capability.
  4. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 27 July 2016 13: 19
    +3
    Yes, hurt yourself. At last! 10 pieces a year - not a few, for sure there is an opportunity to increase production if absolutely necessary. Remember about the news, how did our plant switch to two / three-shift work when VKS bombs were needed? Here it will be as well. Again - in case of emergency. And before that, let them saturate with devices in normal mode. After all, a thermal imager is not a projectile. He put it on a tank and let it work for the benefit of the crew.
    1. Felix99
      Felix99 27 July 2016 13: 28
      +8
      10 pieces per year - this is extremely small. One thermal imager for the division of motorized rifles + 000 sight on the BMP / BTR + 1 on MANPADS total wait 1 years for rearmament. And in the civilian world, these matrices are also very in demand.
    2. atalef
      atalef 27 July 2016 13: 42
      -6
      Quote: Corsair0304
      Yes, hurt yourself. At last! 10 000 pieces per year - not a few

      Istok Enterprise and Central Research Institute Cyclone (part of the Roselectronika Holding) are preparing mass production of "uncooled matrix microbolometric receivers", which form the basis of thermal imaging devices,

      Samples corresponding to world-class parameters were obtained. The country is creating production with an output volume of up to 10 thousand pieces per year", - said Gorbunov.

      Keyword - engaged and created.
      Nowhere is it written - when.
      Not so long ago I took a course of thermal imaging checks.
      He was led by a representative of Flir, the exams were from the Swedish Institute.
      So, part of the course was on matrices - development, technology, etc., etc.
      Serial production is a very complicated process - even among leading companies a huge amount goes to marriage. (Hild).
      Between adjusts and adjusted
      years can pass, but in the conditions of sanctions?
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 27 July 2016 13: 50
        +11
        Quote: atalef
        and in terms of sanctions?

        And under the conditions of sanctions, everything goes faster, more fun and better. yes
        1. atalef
          atalef 27 July 2016 13: 51
          -6
          Quote: Observer 33
          Quote: atalef
          and in terms of sanctions?

          And under the conditions of sanctions, everything goes faster, more fun and better. yes

          yes laughing
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      2. ssdfrf
        ssdfrf 27 July 2016 13: 54
        +8
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: Corsair0304
        Yes, hurt yourself. At last! 10 000 pieces per year - not a few

        Istok Enterprise and Central Research Institute Cyclone (part of the Roselectronika Holding) are preparing mass production of "uncooled matrix microbolometric receivers", which form the basis of thermal imaging devices,

        Samples corresponding to world-class parameters were obtained. The country is creating production with an output volume of up to 10 thousand pieces per year", - said Gorbunov.

        Keyword - engaged and created.
        Nowhere is it written - when.
        Not so long ago I took a course of thermal imaging checks.
        He was led by a representative of Flir, the exams were from the Swedish Institute.
        So, part of the course was on matrices - development, technology, etc., etc.
        Serial production is a very complicated process - even among leading companies a huge amount goes to marriage. (Hild).
        Between adjusts and adjusted
        years can pass, but in the conditions of sanctions?

        Well, what are you, Atalev, a toad strangling you, or something, would have written that Russia would have sanctions for the benefit and the people would be happy.
        1. atalef
          atalef 27 July 2016 13: 58
          -7
          Quote: ssdfrf
          Well, what are you, Atalev, a toad strangling you, or something, would have written that Russia would have sanctions for the benefit and the people would be happy.

          sanctions are not good for Russia, but only to the detriment - for a simple reason - all this could have been worked out before, but without sanctions it would have been - simpler, easier and cheaper
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 27 July 2016 14: 54
            +5
            Quote: atalef
            sanctions are not good for Russia, but only to the detriment - for a simple reason - all this could have been worked out before, but without sanctions it would have been - simpler, easier and cheaper

            And as this famous "Kudrinskoe" in Russia it is impossible to develop production, the "Dutch disease" may appear and strenuously stifled production, thinking to live all his life on the sale of oil and gas. That is why people thank the sanctions: their own production is reviving and restoring. industries will revive, because foreigners bought most of the factories in order to destroy competitors.
            1. mr.redpartizan
              mr.redpartizan 27 July 2016 18: 06
              +5
              Kudrin, Chubais, Gref are the main enemies of the people, ardent Westerners and liberalists.
          2. Idiot
            Idiot 27 July 2016 20: 07
            +2
            Everything related to the defense industry should be as localized as possible within the country. This is good for you - the whole world is in allies. And we have only two of them ...
      3. Professor
        Professor 27 July 2016 19: 28
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Serial production is a very complicated process - even among leading companies a huge amount goes to marriage. (Hild).

        yild = 100% marriage

        The war for this yild is not children's. And on reaching yilda and bonuses and bonuses. The equipment for the fabs (where these matrices are made) is exclusively bourgeois: Japan, the USA and Germany. Others do not pull. Next, you need to cut out the matrix - bourgeois equipment, testing, soldering, encapsulation - again the bourgeois. The bourgeois will introduce sanctions and all this equipment will become rooted to the spot. sad

        The process of transferring from development to production is very long and tedious - R & D2P. It takes from a year to two. The initial yild (the percentage of rejects) is 20-30%, in a couple of years they reach 90%, and there a new product arrives and everything is in a circle.
        1. Alex_Tug
          Alex_Tug 30 July 2016 07: 52
          0
          The war for this yild is not children's.

          Next, you need to cut out the matrix - bourgeois equipment, testing, soldering, encapsulation - again the bourgeois. The bourgeois will introduce sanctions and all this equipment will become rooted to the spot.


          You told us Sony technology, Samsung, ...
          There is a small discrepancy. Once the conversation is about 10, then each matrix is ​​produced individually. You don’t have to cut anything. The remaining horrors of your story can be ignored.
          yild here is one, crystal - 100%, 50%, 25%.
          In principle, all come in handy except 0%.
          1. Professor
            Professor 30 July 2016 11: 43
            0
            Quote: Alex_Tug
            You told us Sony technology, Samsung, ...

            Fab he and fab africa.

            Quote: Alex_Tug
            There is a small discrepancy. Once the conversation is about 10, then each matrix is ​​produced individually. You don’t have to cut anything.

            Do you have an analogue technology for growing rectangular wafers?

            Quote: Alex_Tug
            The remaining horrors of your story can be ignored.

            Even if someone gives you a ready-made precisely cut matrix, you will still have to test and connect it to the outside world. And here there are only 2 options: ultrasonic soldering or flipchip. Both technologies are bourgeois.

            http://www.scd.co.il/
            1:35 tenderloin
            1:42 Ultrasonic Soldering
            1:52 Automatic Ultrasonic Soldering



            Quote: Alex_Tug
            yild here is one, crystal - 100%, 50%, 25%.
            In principle, all come in handy except 0%.

            It’s immediately obvious that you are not from this area.
            1. Alex_Tug
              Alex_Tug 30 July 2016 11: 46
              0
              It’s immediately obvious that you are not from this area.


              You are mistaken, there is such a technology. I went through this thread.
              1. Professor
                Professor 30 July 2016 11: 47
                0
                Quote: Alex_Tug

                You are mistaken, there is such a technology. I went through this thread.

                Links to the studio.
                1. Alex_Tug
                  Alex_Tug 30 July 2016 11: 51
                  0
                  Links to the studio.


                  Later, I did not save the links. I'll find it again and lay it out. It seems like blu-ray technology. (Not a drive from Sony)
                  1. Alex_Tug
                    Alex_Tug 30 July 2016 14: 44
                    0
                    I’ll try to explain - the night vision device (NVD) is powered by a reflected signal.
                    The thermal imager sees the difference in temperature between the ground and the object.
                    1. Alex_Tug
                      Alex_Tug 30 July 2016 14: 50
                      0
                      In general, NVD operates in the VIS, IR-A bands.
                      Those. This is the range for CCD (Charge Coupled Device, CCD).
                      And the thermal imager operates in the IR-C range. That is, you cannot use a CCD (Charge Coupled Device, CCD) for this purpose.
                      1. Alex_Tug
                        Alex_Tug 30 July 2016 14: 59
                        0
                        For thermal imagers of the 3rd generation (uncooled), lower 320x240 ferroelectric (Lion) are used
                        320x240 bolometric (Elvir) method (device).
                        This is not a CCD, i.e. No need to conditionally saw a CCD board.
                        Find the file Testing thermal imagers.pdf and read.
                      2. Alex_Tug
                        Alex_Tug 30 July 2016 15: 20
                        0
                        In words is described as follows:
                        Third generation cameras are non-scanning thermal cameras build using 2D array
                        detectors (cooled FPA based on InSb, HgCdTe, QWIP technology or noncooled
                        FPAs based on microbolometer or pyroelectric / ferroelectric technology) that
                        have at least 106 element on the focal plane. These staring arrays are scanned electronically by circuits integrated with the arrays. These readout integrated circuits
                        (ROICs) include, eg, pixel deselecting, antiblooming on each pixel, subframe imaging,
                        output preamplifiers, and some other functions. The opto-mechanical scanner
                        is eliminated and the only task of the optics is to focus the IR image onto the matrix
                        of sensitive elements.
                      3. gridasov
                        gridasov 30 July 2016 16: 09
                        0
                        If you understand each term used, it becomes clear why there are so many of them. Behind them is a lack of understanding of the basic principles and methods of concentration of magnetic force processes, their management and much of everything that would make it possible to create advanced devices. Even Novosibirsk scientists proposed solutions to get away from crystals. Therefore, a dead end in development is inevitable.
                      4. Alex_Tug
                        Alex_Tug 30 July 2016 16: 41
                        0
                        The funny thing is that I perceive all this in English (I understand). But I can’t translate into Russian.
                      5. gridasov
                        gridasov 30 July 2016 16: 59
                        0
                        The problem of linguistic presentation of the fundamental foundations of the operation of devices is a very complex aspect. Therefore, they use a lot of terms, and the essence can only be understood by the specialist and only from the drawings or the finished product. In words, everything is very veiled. For me personally, the scheme for constructing interacting magnetic force flows in the form of their directed vectors and regions of flux concentrations is obvious. Therefore, I personally can assert about many flaws in the general methodology of instrument design. Modern methods are based on analysis based on their complex of parametric properties of the devices.
            2. gridasov
              gridasov 30 July 2016 15: 04
              0
              It is likely that the surrounding space and the object. The SPACE of our environment is polarized. Not only linear but radial. therefore, the sensitivity of the basic components can be significantly increased through system solutions. And now this technique can be a very important asset.
  • Alex_Tug
    Alex_Tug 27 July 2016 15: 30
    0
    Corsair0304
    10 pieces per year - not a little


    Not enough. They are needed not only by the military, but also by ZhEK workers. See where in winter the houses lose heat and do repairs. The scope of their application in civilian life is very large.
  • Archikah
    Archikah 27 July 2016 13: 23
    +7
    For the entire program "Armata" - 2 thousand in total. "Verb" - 300 pieces per year, no more is produced. Armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, navy and aviation. Everything just fits into this number. There is no reason to stock up and spend money working for a warehouse. So everything is correct. hi
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 27 July 2016 13: 43
      +6
      That's why we have nothing that is "right". And in the production of tens of millions, the price would be like for five LED bulbs, and in everyday life there are hundreds of applications for a matrix from rejection with a resolution of even 32x32.
      1. atalef
        atalef 27 July 2016 13: 50
        -9
        Quote: vadimtt
        That's why we have nothing that is "right". And in the production of tens of millions, the price would be like for five LED bulbs, and in everyday life there are hundreds of applications for a matrix from rejection with a resolution of even 32x32.

        cameras of this level cost a penny.
        To compete with the world's leading manufacturers, you need to match the quality, not sell rejects
        1. vadimtt
          vadimtt 27 July 2016 13: 57
          +8
          Tell This To Your Loved One Flir wink
          It sells well and is expensive - you can buy horseradish from my salary.
          1. Alex_Tug
            Alex_Tug 27 July 2016 15: 38
            +1
            vadimtt
            It sells well and is expensive - you can buy horseradish from my salary.


            If you want to have such a device, then a digital camera and a piece of illuminated film. You place the film between the lens and the CCD. Good luck)))
            1. vadimtt
              vadimtt 27 July 2016 16: 03
              +2
              Near IR, not that laughing
              Plus optics to find germanium under the system and remove the IR filter from the matrix, we know, they swam bully
          2. atalef
            atalef 27 July 2016 20: 23
            0
            Quote: vadimtt
            Tell This To Your Loved One Flir wink
            It sells well and is expensive - you can buy horseradish from my salary.

            With mine the same cannot be bought.
            My camera (working) - 40t bucks, the previous one cost 70t bucks.
  • Monos
    Monos 27 July 2016 13: 25
    +7
    Surprised that the Chinese have their own matrix. Our neighbors are not so simple.

    Uncooled VOx Sol-Gel Matrix Microbolometric IR Receivers

    V. N. Ovsyuk, V. V. Shashkin, M. A. Demyanenko, B. I. Fomin, L. L. Vasilieva, A. P. Soloviev
    Institute of Semiconductor Physics SB RAS, Novosibirsk, Russia 2005


    The report of the scientific and technical journal "Applied Physics".
    1. atalef
      atalef 27 July 2016 13: 26
      +3
      Quote: Monos
      Surprised that the Chinese have their own matrix. Our neighbors are not so simple.

      As far as I know (actually developed) - China does not have its own.
      1. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 27 July 2016 14: 56
        +5
        Quote: atalef
        As far as I know (actually developed) - China does not have its own.

        And they do not care - actually they developed them or not. laughing
  • black
    black 27 July 2016 13: 34
    +3
    God give it. Down and Out trouble started.
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 27 July 2016 13: 34
    +8
    Well, finally, our depart from French sights, avionics and other things, import substitution on the face is bearing fruit
    1. atalef
      atalef 27 July 2016 13: 47
      -10%
      Quote: Alexey-74
      Well, finally, our depart from French sights, avionics and other things, import substitution on the face is bearing fruit

      nothing has been produced yet (matrices), but before the creation of a full-fledged device (completely Russian development will pass .......)
      1. Приговор
        Приговор 27 July 2016 14: 21
        +10
        Yes. And the F-35 is yours - but a problem. Yes. And we will quickly establish mass production. And while you are in line, stand behind the American annual handout of $ 3,1 lard. Patriot of the country of harmful fruits ... laughing
        Do not be angry, this is a joke. It was really funny to read your posts ... laughing
        1. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 27 July 2016 14: 55
          +7
          Quote: Sentence
          Yes. And the F-35 is yours - but a problem. Yes. And we will quickly establish mass production. And while you are in line, stand behind the American annual handout of $ 3,1 lard. Patriot of the country of harmful fruits ... laughing
          Do not be angry, this is a joke. It was really funny to read your posts ... laughing

          And in fact, is he crying there, or what? request laughing
        2. LOKI
          LOKI 27 July 2016 21: 16
          +1
          Quote: Sentence
          And F-35 is yours - but a problem.


          1. This is not F-35, but F-35I. fellow
          2. And it differs from the F-35 precisely by the fact that all the "problem g ... but" was thrown out of it, replaced by domestic systems and "brought with a file." laughing

      2. Muvka
        Muvka 27 July 2016 14: 30
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: Alexey-74
        Well, finally, our depart from French sights, avionics and other things, import substitution on the face is bearing fruit

        nothing has been produced yet (matrices), but before the creation of a full-fledged device (completely Russian development will pass .......)

        It seemed to me, or did the person write "move away" and not "move away"?
      3. Khariton
        Khariton 27 July 2016 18: 24
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: Alexey-74
        Well, finally, our depart from French sights, avionics and other things, import substitution on the face is bearing fruit

        nothing has been produced yet (matrices), but before the creation of a full-fledged device (completely Russian development will pass .......)

        By your logic and malice ... Do you offer to buy from Israel? We really, somehow ourselves ... By trial and error, but we will do whatever we want. Enough already popped up, we were slammed with sanctions and the flywheel finally worked creaking, but it is gaining momentum! These are the things atalef ... We can handle, must.!
        1. Alex_Tug
          Alex_Tug 27 July 2016 18: 59
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: Alexey-74
          Well, finally, our depart from French sights, avionics and other things, import substitution on the face is bearing fruit
          nothing has been produced yet (matrices), but before the creation of a full-fledged device (completely Russian development will pass .......)


          Khariton
          Do you offer to buy from Israel?


          Hariton plus for patriotism.
          There are already sights, adapting to Russian IR matrices is just a technical task.
          1. Khariton
            Khariton 27 July 2016 19: 12
            +1
            Quote: Alex_Tug
            Hariton plus for patriotism.
            There are already sights, adapting to Russian IR matrices is just a technical task.

            Thank you, of course ... But I would be glad if you solved this technical problem and quickly! You need guys, you can do everything if you want ... Russia is in danger! (Buying, according to our officials from the military-industrial complex, of course, is easier and there are fewer problems ..) This degradation is called in the brains, and the West achieves this "not by washing, so by rolling .." .. Here, something like that. hi
      4. Khariton
        Khariton 27 July 2016 20: 08
        -1
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: Alexey-74
        Well, finally, our depart from French sights, avionics and other things, import substitution on the face is bearing fruit

        nothing has been produced yet (matrices), but before the creation of a full-fledged device (completely Russian development will pass .......)

        Atalef Marshal with 9 warnings ... Soon he will be reset to zero and again the Marshal! laughing
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 27 July 2016 20: 41
          +2
          Quote: Chariton
          Atalef Marshal with 9 warnings ... Soon he will be reset to zero and again the Marshal!

          Haritosha hi I also reset to zero and again the marshal repeat Yes, and here you are not the first year hanging around yes What are you talking about? what
          1. Khariton
            Khariton 27 July 2016 21: 11
            -2
            Quote: Ruslan67
            Quote: Chariton
            Atalef Marshal with 9 warnings ... Soon he will be reset to zero and again the Marshal!

            Haritosha hi I also reset to zero and again the marshal repeat Yes, and here you are not the first year hanging around yes What are you talking about? what

            Again, bayonet asshole ... Do you even understand what I wrote? As I understand it, you like to run up ..? I communicate with the atalef, and here you are a torpedo. You crawl on, sing along! negative
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 27 July 2016 21: 56
              +3
              Quote: Chariton
              Again on the bayonet backwards you ..

              Read the text carefully fool And stop being rude out of the blue. Better look around
              Well, there is no longer any strength or desire to read the stupidity that they are trying to interrupt with a cry of cheers Do you want to be left alone with the obstinacy of shkolota? So it’s not long before
              1. Khariton
                Khariton 27 July 2016 22: 10
                -2
                Quote: Ruslan67
                Quote: Chariton
                Again on the bayonet backwards you ..

                Read the text carefully fool And stop being rude out of the blue. Better look around
                Well, there is no longer any strength or desire to read the stupidity that they are trying to interrupt with a cry of cheers Do you want to be left alone with the obstinacy of shkolota? So it’s not long before

                What do you need from me a torpedo ..? You can’t provoke me to checkmate .. (pass it on to your comrades)))
                Zero out, at least ten times, and your essence will not change .. You are no one here at all, so mongrel of some comrades .. Let's rest and do not touch me, please! hi
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 27 July 2016 22: 18
                  +3
                  Quote: Chariton
                  You can’t provoke me to checkmate .. (

                  Similarly yes
                  Quote: Chariton
                  ..You are no one here at all, so mongrel of some comrades ..

                  Well, what's the ban for the insult? fellow
                  Quote: Chariton
                  and don’t touch me, please!

                  Emergency button and no problem request
                  Turn on your head fool
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 27 July 2016 13: 36
    +4
    "Slingshot" in your ears, gentlemen bourgeois, who announced their stupid and stupid sanctions to Mother Russia ...
  • vadimtt
    vadimtt 27 July 2016 13: 36
    +3
    The article is still there, but there is a fact of development, and this is good, even excellent. But the design capacity of production of only 10 units per year is not enough for reasonable pricing. A couple of orders of magnitude would increase, here, and to household appliances, the spray would fly.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 July 2016 13: 41
    +15
    Uncooled bolometric arrays are a real "high-tech", and even germanium long-wave optics with anti-reflection coating - in general, few people in the world do it. There are millions of such matrices. Yes, and sights for the army, from aviation, and ending with machine guns, and all sorts of binoculars - hundreds of thousands are needed. Such optics have another interesting property. A laser cannot blind a person through it. Tet direct optical channel!
  • atamankko
    atamankko 27 July 2016 13: 48
    +3
    And we can and can, but we will get rid of the "partners".
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 27 July 2016 13: 49
    +2
    “The production of domestic matrices could have begun back in 2010, but precisely because of the“ French ”contract, the introduction of our own developments was constantly postponed.
    Everything is as usual with us: the eternal expectation of a "roast rooster peck".
    The news is definitely good. But 1000 pcs per year is not enough for our needs. For now, let's start small.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 27 July 2016 13: 58
    +2
    Quote: vodolaz
    What good news, because of which I had a question: what did we have before?

    And before, in the 70x-80x there are vacuum tubes and not only on tanks. (A match burning at a distance of up to 20km at heights of 10km was seen) And they did not live long, on the hull of 2-3 hitting ... and you are blind. TT IKs and other matrices went, their vitality increased by an order of magnitude - two, but it was China, Taiwan, if the Japanese or Korean were lucky (the French, of course, having patent rights for certain concepts, put the racks in wheels and they can be understood), but all were of the same level (by the way - not), they did their thing - the Russian flag was in hand !!!
  • Mestny
    Mestny 27 July 2016 14: 03
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    nothing has been produced yet (matrices), but before the creation of a full-fledged device (completely Russian development will pass .......)

    Yes, take care of your nerves! Of course, nothing will happen, everything is sold, what remains is rusty of the 60s. Well, everyone knows that, at least to liberal bloggers and democratic journalists.
    Be scared.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 27 July 2016 14: 09
    +1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    and already germanium long-wave optics with enlightenment - in general, few people do in the world.

    I expect that after this phrase of yours at least one of the site visitors will type in the search "germanium lens", we are waiting for adequate assessments of our work with you.
  • Blitz
    Blitz 27 July 2016 14: 19
    +1
    To make a thermal imager, you need not only a microbolometric matrix, but also an established production of optics from germanium. We also make our own processors, for example MCST "Elbrus". So the production of microelectronics, forgotten and destroyed in the 90s, is being restored. And the Russian industry will be able to replace the sanctions, gradually true, but it will be able to, oh, but you really want it to be today, now.
  • Svateev
    Svateev 27 July 2016 14: 21
    0
    Quote: avg-mgn
    I expect that after this phrase of yours at least one of the site visitors will type "germanium lens" in the search,

    Why search? Visitors to this site watch TV news periodically and we know that we release germanium lenses ourselves. Or is there something new?
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 27 July 2016 14: 26
    +1
    [I]
    Quote: vadimtt
    A couple of orders of magnitude would increase, here and to household appliances the spray would fly.

    I was just like you willing in the 80s. On the "Svetlana" I saw with my left eye an op-amp with Kus = 20 at a cutoff frequency of 000 MHz, so I measured its price (I don't remember, but I didn't move in my pocket), - Sapphire substrate (sapphire was grown in space), + some technology ( again from not on earth) crystallization of the silicon base, I will not say anything about gallium.
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 27 July 2016 14: 47
      0
      Well, this was most likely an exclusive for a radio telescope or something military piece production. Although, of course, without knowing the technology, one cannot say how "technological" it is and how much it scales in mass production.
  • Elephant
    Elephant 27 July 2016 14: 32
    0
    And how long can the plant be built? How many years will pass ...
  • Pajamas
    Pajamas 27 July 2016 14: 42
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: chunga-changa
    I think our industry at first and it does not recycle. Release of devices based on these matrices,

    Matrix, and who produces germanium lenses?
    I won’t talk about the stuffing of the camera - but who releases the lenses?

    Astron already releases its own modules, the astron’s site lies but Google remembers the cache - http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:UQdFp3hkzkAJ:astrohn.ru/the

    rmal_modules / iridium_modules_with_optics / iridium-640/100 + & cd = 9 & hl = ru & ct = clnk & gl =

    ru

  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 27 July 2016 15: 05
    +2
    If there are people on the site who held a soldering iron in their hands and remember the 60-80s, for you: remember - the wild west, the USA, grabbed SILICON as the basis of the PP, and only the dumb USSR and the Warsaw Pact countries stupidly worked with PP based on Germany. Who is in the subject, remember, 67 (if I'm not mistaken) year, a demonstration passage of our ship through the NATO squadron formation, (according to legend, "Gorshkov" was equipped with a set of strike weapons Эlectroмagnostic Иradiation).
    So, almost all the low-current electronic filling on our ship was germanium (read about the avalanche breakdown of the transistor on the Internet) .. According to legend, the whole squadron went deaf and blind - (The complexes were silicon and EMP disabled them irrevocably). Ours proudly walked with the "Happy Voyage" pattern, does the story of "Donald Cook" remind you? Well, many people write about lenses from germanium, but they buy only from us.
    1. kuznec
      kuznec 27 July 2016 16: 23
      +4
      I will support you from an unusual perspective. Replacing the Japanese silicon transyuk with Soviet germanium in the input stage of my Linsley-Hood audio amplifier radically improved the sound. And all the instrument characteristics too. So much for the "outdated" kit
      1. Alex_Tug
        Alex_Tug 27 July 2016 16: 38
        0
        Replacing the Japovsky silicon transyuk with the Soviet Germanium in the input stage of my audio amplifier according to the Linsley-Hood scheme radically improved the sound. And all the characteristics of the instruments, too.


        If we are talking about noise, then tube is better. This is for aesthetes, there are many nuances and prices of tens of thousands of dollars.
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 27 July 2016 23: 45
          0
          Especially in the output stage, but this is for Sound connoisseurs, not fans of watts!
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        3. kuznec
          kuznec 29 July 2016 04: 40
          +1
          The untwisted and multi-bakiness of foreign tube amplifiers is designed not for experts, but for pontorez. And in noise, and especially in distortion, they are inferior to semiconductors. You will not find a monitor tube whisker in any studio pro. And the output trance in lamp lamps is generally an archlinear device. And in a two-stroke, and especially in a single stroke. But the lack of odd harmonics gives a specific color to the sound, some like it. I combine - a tube-based vinyl corrector, a transistor.
          Regarding foreign lamps, they are no better than domestic ones. Especially military acceptance. There is no American, English or Russian vacuum. And the schemes of tube whiskers are only a few, in fact.
          An ultralinear in Germany makes any lamp by sound, IMHO. Only acoustics with good chuyka are needed and cooling is not sickly.
    2. Colonel
      Colonel 27 July 2016 21: 25
      +5
      The heirs of the "stupid USSR" can raise this. We have a third of the world market. Sapphire, you know.
  • Skubudu
    Skubudu 27 July 2016 15: 38
    +1
    They forgot about attack helicopters, they first of all need a good thermal imager.
    Well, as always at VO, the liquid-probable partners come from bile, from the good news in the Russian defense industry.
  • viktor.
    viktor. 27 July 2016 16: 01
    +1
    sanctions for the benefit went hi
  • uskrabut
    uskrabut 27 July 2016 16: 10
    0
    He was hit on the spot! I didn’t know that we buy matrixes for thermal imagers abroad. Have come. Could agree on the purchase of technology, but the purchase of defense products is already too much. Let the sanctions remain forever and apply to the export of oil, gas and other minerals. Stop digging out of the ground and immediately for sale! Useful things to do from excavated! This is good for the brain and wallet.
  • certero
    certero 27 July 2016 17: 14
    +2
    Quote: iConst
    Matrices will be produced exclusively on the domestic market - it is unlikely that these products will be sold in sufficient quantities abroad to reach a payback similar to foreign products.

    Yes, no question, let them go to the domestic market. In the USA, back in 2000, a thermal imager with projection onto a windshield was installed as an option in Cadillac. Let ours do this, immediately the payback will increase.
  • mr.redpartizan
    mr.redpartizan 27 July 2016 18: 17
    +1
    We can, if we want. And they bought from the French in the load for other contracts, probably. They broke military contracts with us on Mistral, thermal imagers, BMP Atom, etc. Now our hands are untied, we can begin import substitution for previously occupied positions.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 27 July 2016 21: 22
      -1
      Quote: mr.redpartizan
      We can, if we want. And they bought from the French in the load for other contracts, probably. They broke military contracts with us on Mistral, thermal imagers, BMP Atom, etc. Now our hands are untied, we can begin import substitution for previously occupied positions.

      Yes, we can all men, we have a lot of Kulibins, there is no concrete support from the state ... They are trying something, but it's not that! They buy out a lot of developments from us, FOR WHICH WE PAY HUGE MONEY THEN ..! "Russia generous soul" (remember the ad for chocolate, which is absolutely not ours ..))) That's how they deceive us everywhere!
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 27 July 2016 18: 42
    0
    Now it’s clear why we did not create a third-generation ATGM.
  • Roman 11
    Roman 11 27 July 2016 20: 18
    0
    Now I would put a mini AFAR on Armata to see a disguised cannon in a haystack, and even consider the helicopter in advance and there would be no price for such a tank good
  • Khariton
    Khariton 27 July 2016 21: 40
    0
    I just read a comment ...
    The essence is this: the son is an excellent pupil and winner of all competitions ... In short, he was invited to Germany to study, he went of course and he has excellent prospects!
    But when he communicates with his father on Skype, Dad wore a striped vest and the background Russian flag and the music "Farewell of a Slav."
    The son endured, and then asked a question ...:
    Dad, what is all this for?
    Father: So that you do not forget your son, and who we are ..! good
  • Oleg L.
    Oleg L. 27 July 2016 23: 28
    +1
    Belarusian tank thermal imagers and sights? -I have not heard.
  • vano
    vano 28 July 2016 00: 49
    0
    Good thing, no doubt about it. But according to old memory, we had a good thing, there was no good and reliable power supply. Or it was lazy to do, or not to whom.
  • Phosgene
    Phosgene 28 July 2016 05: 11
    0
    It is high time! In the USSR, computers were not bad, for their time, computers, for example, Electronics-585, and it is time for Russia to return its former production, at a new technical level.
  • Olena
    Olena 28 July 2016 09: 51
    -2
    - Joy is not full ... - Only 100000 "pieces" per year ... - this is not an industrial state production of any product ... - However, if Russia is going to produce one or two newest military aircraft a year and twenty the latest tanks ... then some "correspondence" is visible ...
    -And why did this wedge light converge on France ..? -Why only compare with her ..?
    -And how did it suddenly "have a better technology in the manufacture of lenses and software in our country"? -And there is a vague doubt ... but whether Russian thermal imagers will be completely assembled from Russian components ..? -After all, about 90% of Russian industrial enterprises do not work, and many of them cannot be restored (if such is foreseen at all) ... -It will take quite a long time to establish industrial production ... -And where will germanium lenses come from suddenly ...? -Where and who releases them ..?
    In addition, Russia cannot "boast" of reserves of uranium, manganese, vanadium, germanium, iodine, gallium, indium, etc. ... ) ...
    -Many foreign sniper rifles have long been equipped with thermal imagers ... -It is quite possible that a substantial part of the released Russian thermal imagers will immediately end up in Chechnya, at Kadyrov's personal army ... -for "various needs" ...
    -Russia generally lagged very far behind in the production of office equipment, televisions, digital video cameras, composite materials ... -td ... -And if Chubais was entrusted with the production of Russian thermal imagers .., then .... -In short, no comment. ..
  • You Vlad
    You Vlad 28 July 2016 14: 03
    0
    I sometimes think if it’s not a cunning plan of the damned Russians to give weight to the market, and then pull everyone by the strings))
  • gridasov
    gridasov 28 July 2016 15: 21
    0
    It is quite obvious that the problems indicated in the comments and in the real state of things are contained in the scientific component of how the processes are organized. All manufacturers copy from each other the techniques on the basis of which thermal imagers are created. Therefore, it’s not necessary to talk about the effectiveness of their work. This is not to mention how distorted the reproduced image is.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 28 July 2016 16: 26
    0
    How MUCH MUCH ?! Is it a year or an hour ?! What is this all about? What is the subject of 10 000 YEAR? The need for thermal imagers is monstrous. Which tanks? What are the sights? OUR HOUSES FREEZE!
    Do you know how much an adequate thermal imager costs to take pictures from a house? Well, there to see - where the heat is draining out in a draft, to quickly glue, blow with foam, to redo something and you look - a significant saving has been achieved. So, such a thermal imager costs at least about 3 million rubles. OK, huh?
    And the ruble was blown away, so the thermal imager of that ... Heat losses across Russia are monstrous, and can be countered by simple means ... if we see them, these losses. If at last we get a thermal imager of an adequate price so that the examination does not cost as much as a space flight, then the device, in our conditions, should generally be of widespread use.
    10000 per year. The jokers. Pancake...
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 July 2016 09: 52
    0
    Life made us master production ... Despite all the difficulties, there is one advantage - all manufacturers of thermal imagers are under the control of the United States, and we are not. And so, I agree, many technologies are in the public domain and they had to be mastered before the sanctions. It is simpler and cheaper. But we are not looking for easy ways ...
  • gridasov
    gridasov 29 July 2016 11: 40
    0
    You can endlessly "pour water from empty to empty", but the matter will not move forward. In order to radically advance in a wide variety of applications, new solutions are needed to increase the density of magnetic force processes. Really nobody understands that on the old methods neither the expansion of the scale of application of electromagnetic processes, nor their controllability can be achieved. Increasing the same sensitivity email. components is impossible without fundamental and solutions and theoretical justification. And the crisis and deadlock of all modern directions is obvious. Increasing the density of magnetic force processes on new e-mail. components can generally eliminate the need for devices to use lenses and components of direct visualization of the scanning space. In this case, the entire picture will be represented by a holographic image. Moreover, in any degree of its dynamics, the transformation of the observed events. It was not for nothing that I mentioned in the previous post about the most important aspect of the fact that the output parameters, which we perceive as an image on the monitor or in the eyepiece, should be reproduced without distorting real events as physical processes.
    Of course, there are many experts and experts who should be respected, but we need ideas and their justifications and programs as an opportunity to implement these ideas. Moving forward is possible only with new ideas and their practical solutions. Otherwise, Russia will lag behind in many areas of high technology.
  • SDENIS
    SDENIS 29 July 2016 11: 44
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    Quote: viktorrymar
    Lord bless sanctions, may they come for many years in the military technology of Russia drinks

    And not in the military
  • VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 29 July 2016 13: 51
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    Yes, they should be ours.
  • Zlovred
    Zlovred 29 July 2016 20: 47
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    Glory to the Russian Gunsmiths !!!
  • Alex_Tug
    Alex_Tug 30 July 2016 10: 17
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    All experts got it (learn the materiel)

    Almost at the same time non-cooled thermal cameras based on microbolometer and pyroelectric / ferroelectric technologies became fully commercially available. Image quality of non-cooled thermal cameras is inferior to image quality offered by cooled cameras but is good enough to be used in many short and medium range applications.
    Due to a 2-4 times lower price than equivalent cooled systems, the number
    of non-cooled thermal cameras is growing rapidly in both military and commercial applications.

    The author of the article is a kilo of contempt.
    320x240 HgCdTe MWIR (Opal, Spike, Matiz)
    resolution - 0.05 degrees
    Type of cooler - Stirling

    320x240 QWIP LWIR (Thermovision 2000, Catherine QWIP)
    resolution - 0.05 degrees
    Type of cooler - Stirling
    image size 640x480

    320x240 ferroelectric (Lion)
    320x240 bolometric (Elvir)
    resolution - 0.15-0.3 degrees
    no cooling
    image size 320x240

    sensitivity - mid-wave infrared MWIR 3 mm - 6 mm

    Sofradir EC Introduces Thermal Imaging Module For OEM Military Products (pictured)
    1. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 30 July 2016 10: 26
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      You can see this file. (on the picture)
      http://www.thermalmatrix.com/Assets/Thermal-Matrix/pdfs/TMIP500.pdf