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Borisov: contracts for the reproduction of Tu-160М2

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The Ministry of Defense signed two contracts with defense industry enterprises for the development of documentation and the reproduction of Tu-160М2 bombers, reports RIA News message of the Russian military department.



“We discussed the course of the reproduction of the Tu-160М2 aircraft. We have two contracts for the development of digital documentation and for the reproduction of the aircraft ",
quoted by the press service of the Deputy Minister of Defense Yuri Borisov.

He also said that the first engines for the strategist will be commissioned before the end of this year.

“By the end of this year, the plant must hand over the first four engines to us, and one more for qualification tests ... The Ministry of Defense will deliver the required number of engines for repairs, thereby loading the plant's technological capacities with orders for several years in advance. At the same time, we demanded from the plant workers to provide a schedule for reducing the cost of new NK-32-02 engines, which is associated with entering serial production, "said the Deputy Minister during a visit to the Samara enterprise" Kuznetsov ", which is implementing a reproduction program aviation engines.

Borisov also said that by now “64% of the design documentation has already been digitized and the digitization will be completed by the end of the year”.
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  1. Muvka
    Muvka 27 July 2016 11: 30
    +33
    Oh, handsome ...
    1. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 27 July 2016 11: 53
      +3
      Great, loan day planes for the West ....
      1. Alex 1972
        Alex 1972 27 July 2016 12: 11
        +62
        Alexey-74
        Great, loan day planes for the West ....
        Comrade Colonel General Doomsday from the word court, not a loan.
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts 27 July 2016 12: 43
          +20
          Perhaps there is an influence of the verb "Piss" ?!
          1. Temples
            Temples 27 July 2016 13: 49
            -8
            Quote: Alex 1972
            Alexey-74
            Great, loan day planes for the West ....
            Comrade Colonel General Doomsday from the word court, not a loan.

            Comrade Lieutenant, word loan also from the word court. wink
            Your sore not completely failed.

            And the Colonel General was just glad for the restoration of aviation.

            I think you should not judge him for this. hi
            1. Alex 1972
              Alex 1972 27 July 2016 19: 50
              +16
              Quote: Temples
              I think you should not judge him for this.

              Comrade Marshal, may I ask?
              Where over the past 2-3 years, normal thinking visitors and commentators of the site have gone, and only illiterate senior officers with uncomplicated posts in the style of cheers patriot have left their hats, huh?
              To you, too, the question is, from 30.06.15/XNUMX/XNUMX to get to the Marshal today ?! It's funny ...
              You are so funny wink
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 27 July 2016 20: 48
                +12
                Quote: Alexey 1972
                Where over the past 2-3 years you got normal thinking visitors and commentators on the site, and there are only illiterate senior officers with plain posts

                Very simple request Having received several bans for responses from the heart to provocateurs and fool scored a proletarian bolt am Now only flood and reading yes
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 27 July 2016 15: 56
          +6
          Quote: Alexey 1972
          Doomsday from the word court, not a loan.

          Or maybe he chose an adjective from the verb "piss!"
          In that case, he is right! laughing laughing laughing
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 27 July 2016 19: 40
        +4
        Borisov: contracts for the reproduction of Tu-160М2

        This is cool and right! I fully support. Great news good
    2. GAF
      GAF 27 July 2016 12: 00
      +16
      Quote: Muvka
      Oh, handsome ...

      Really. "White Swan" is an amazing combination of power and aesthetics - as if to say: "We are peaceful people, but our armored train ..."
      1. oborzevatel
        oborzevatel 27 July 2016 13: 22
        +20
        Quote: GAF
        Quote: Muvka
        Oh, handsome ...

        Really. "White Swan" is an amazing combination of power and aesthetics - as if to say: "We are peaceful people, but our armored train ..."
        1. KCA
          KCA 27 July 2016 20: 45
          +1
          which barracks are small, next to the swan
      2. 73bor
        73bor 27 July 2016 13: 46
        +1
        By the way, the name "White Swan" is a product of journalists, but it is not very popular in strategic aviation, a "big club" is a "big club"!
    3. starpom
      starpom 27 July 2016 12: 51
      +29
      Quote: Muvka
      Oh, handsome ..

      Against the background of Saratov
      1. afrikanez
        afrikanez 27 July 2016 14: 54
        +24
        I think against the background of New York, he would have looked no worse. (of course, but in every joke ...) lol
        1. Petrovich1952
          Petrovich1952 28 July 2016 16: 28
          +2
          I think against the backdrop of New York, he would have looked no worse. Type friendly visit
    4. Mujahiddin777
      Mujahiddin777 29 July 2016 02: 58
      +1
      Good news! happy! But ... why not try the T-4 (Weaving). after all, it is superior in speed and in LTTH. it's about time i think. There will be another strategic bomber bomber
  2. Dr. Stein
    Dr. Stein 27 July 2016 11: 32
    0
    The fact that they are concluded is another fact that they will build, as if on paper, the current in the form of a project does not remain.
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 27 July 2016 11: 48
      -1
      Quote: Dr. Stein
      as if on paper, the current in the form of a project did not remain.

      Concerned with how easy the inexpressible statements are made like
      He also said that the first engines for the strategist will be commissioned before the end of this year.
      . Maybe at first it’s worth passing the engines? Technical problems often arise completely unexpectedly.
      Borisov also said that by now “64% of the design documentation has already been digitized and the digitization will be completed by the end of the year”.
      So what? The belief in the "invincible computer" is clearly excessive for many. In order for digitized documentation to become an advantage, it is necessary that the production has a modern machine park capable of working with digitized documentation and specialists who can work on such machines. So, although the news is gratifying, but until the planes fly, it is better to postpone jumping with delight.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 27 July 2016 11: 54
        +14
        Engines are needed not only for new cars, but also to replace the resource with old ones. And the production is "restored". They have already done them.
        In terms of work on "digitized" machines. Working on them is MUCH easier than on universal ones. They were done in order to REDUCE the qualifications of workers. I don’t know how at Kuznetsov, but at Salyut, for example, in the “fat” years they were well stocked with just such machines.
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 27 July 2016 12: 11
          +7
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Engines are needed not only for new cars, but also to replace the resource with old ones. And the production is "restored". They have already done them.

          ... that's right ... here is a sensible photo report about the Kuznetsov JSC from 2015 ... there are many references to NK-32 ... http://gelio.livejournal.com/210016.html ... hi
        2. Berkut24
          Berkut24 27 July 2016 12: 16
          +17
          In terms of work on "digitized" machines. Working on them is MUCH easier than on universal ones. They were done in order to REDUCE the qualifications of workers.

          Here you are deeply mistaken. For machines with digital control, specialists with advanced qualifications are hired - as a rule, with a good knowledge of foreign languages ​​and a higher education with a focus on software. Such a specialist takes part in setting up machine tools, and in case of a failure, he understands and generally serves up to 12 machines simultaneously. This is a different production culture and a vocational school with his mentality does not work here.
          It is better to pay 80.000,00 rubles to one specialist than 12 mediocencies of 20.000,00 each.
          1. cost 75
            cost 75 27 July 2016 12: 38
            +11
            Your super-specialists with higher education, as a rule, don’t know what and learn from people whom you call mediocre birdie. I know specialists who have no education at all but technologists run to them for advice.
            1. Verdun
              Verdun 27 July 2016 12: 46
              +5
              Quote: kos 75
              I know specialists who have no education at all, but technologists run to them for advice.

              There are such specialists. But the fact is that working on a conventional lathe and a CNC lathe require completely different skills. In one case, the specialist must "feel the metal", have a keen eye and a firm hand. on the other - to understand electronics, programming, 3D-modeling, since the machine performs all operations for processing a part by itself.
              1. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 27 July 2016 13: 03
                0
                Quote: Verdun
                There are such specialists. But the fact is that working on a conventional lathe and a CNC lathe require completely different skills. In one case, the specialist must "feel the metal", have a keen eye and a firm hand. on the other - to understand electronics, programming, 3D-modeling, since the machine performs all operations for processing a part by itself.

                How do you know that?
                1. Verdun
                  Verdun 27 July 2016 14: 04
                  +10
                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  How do you know that?

                  Um .. Strange question. request I, like, in the main specialty - a car designer. We can say a hereditary engineer, starting with great-grandfather. Mom is a retired structural engineer. He has medals for his projects. And I started as a draftsman in the machine tool design bureau in the now distant 1983. In 1988, he himself, almost without any help, looking at how others work, mastered working on a computer. At that time there was such a package - DRAGON. Then there was other software. So, I mean something. smile The fact that the domestic automotive industry was buried, I'm sorry, it's not my fault. But regarding various new products, I try to keep abreast. And I have enough friends-engineers in different industries.
                2. Alf
                  Alf 27 July 2016 22: 12
                  +4
                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  How do you know that?

                  I won’t say for Verdun, but I myself work on CNC. I am alone on 2 machines, a king and a god, I write programs myself, I work myself.
              2. cost 75
                cost 75 27 July 2016 16: 54
                +2
                I’m a 5th level cnc operator. I haven’t studied at any factory, so I know what I’m saying. It’s true that I left the factory 10 years ago. Comrades often come to visit and tell how things are.
            2. Alex_Tug
              Alex_Tug 27 July 2016 13: 11
              +4
              I know specialists who have no education at all, but technologists run to them for advice.


              Kulibins were, are and will be. (as Lenin lived, lives and will live)
              1. Verdun
                Verdun 27 July 2016 15: 03
                +5
                Quote: Alex_Tug
                Kulibins were, are and will be.

                Kulibins are good at creating unique piece products. In mass production, their role is not so clear.
            3. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 27 July 2016 16: 24
              +4
              Quote: kos 75
              I know specialists who have no education at all, but technologists run to them for advice.

              Here a couple of conclusions suggest themselves:
              1. Your technologists, apparently, are unaccounted for.
              2. The crusts of the mind do not add.
              Probably in place of these technologists with "crusts", there should have been workers with "brains".
              3. Learning is not shameful and never too late.
              4. Practice is the criterion of truth. Let technologists learn induction to give products! and write routings, not a filkin letter.
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            5. evge-malyshev
              evge-malyshev 27 July 2016 20: 36
              0
              Quote: kos 75
              I know specialists who have no education at all, but technologists run to them for advice.

              Unfortunately, that was the case. And there are currently no such people.
          2. Alex_Tug
            Alex_Tug 27 July 2016 13: 08
            +1
            Berkut24
            Highly qualified specialists are hired for digitally controlled machines - usually with good knowledge of foreign languages ​​and higher education with a focus on software.


            And are not the process engineers creating the program (manufacturing of the part) for these machines?
            In principle, CAD used in production should generate a program for the machine. But control by technologists is still needed. IMHO, a purely personal opinion.
            1. Verdun
              Verdun 27 July 2016 14: 12
              +3
              Quote: Alex_Tug
              And are not the process engineers creating the program (manufacturing of the part) for these machines?

              It was like that once. But modern CAD systems require an engineer and technologist skills as well. In general, I would venture to suggest that in modern construction, the "technologist" as a pure species is dying out. This is due to the fact that at the moment it makes no sense to design parts without taking into account production technology. Moreover, modern technologies directly affect the applied design and construction solutions. For example, the appearance of modern cars is directly related to bodywork technologies.
          3. samoletil18
            samoletil18 27 July 2016 13: 56
            +4
            In his youth he came to the plant and worked on a CNC machine. What is meant by the overlay is not clear. In addition to the installation, I see no problems with fixing the workpiece and aligning along the axes with the subsequent determination of zero to start the cycle. Yes, I passed at least everyone else, I passed the exam to get the category. But a simple turner or milling machine operator for me was a more weighty specialist than any "automatic operator". I could set the program and the mode myself without a programmer and technologist for a simple part, but with a small series, you won't get off with CNC alone, although the department of technologists and programmers, it would seem, will remove all the problems. And the training of machine operators - I'm afraid in our ... No. .
          4. Fox
            Fox 27 July 2016 19: 56
            +1
            Quote: Berkut24
            PTUshnik with his mentality does not roll here.

            ohh how! dear, half of the friends of vocational schools have their own metalworking workshops, where they themselves write technologies and programs, set up and repair by themselves what your "highly qualified" with diplomas could not fix. By the way, these vocational schools do not share production technologies with engineers either , the same smart ones, they will come up with ... but they will not come up with something.
        3. engineer74
          engineer74 27 July 2016 12: 20
          +16
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Engines are needed not only for new cars, but also to replace the resource with old ones. And the production is "restored". They have already done them.
          In terms of work on "digitized" machines. Working on them is MUCH easier than on universal ones. They were done in order to REDUCE the qualifications of workers. I don’t know how at Kuznetsov, but at Salyut, for example, in the “fat” years they were well stocked with just such machines.

          Quote: Verdun
          Quote: Dr. Stein
          as if on paper, the current in the form of a project did not remain.

          Concerned with how easy the inexpressible statements are made like
          He also said that the first engines for the strategist will be commissioned before the end of this year.
          . Maybe at first it’s worth passing the engines? Technical problems often arise completely unexpectedly.
          Borisov also said that by now “64% of the design documentation has already been digitized and the digitization will be completed by the end of the year”.
          So what? The belief in the "invincible computer" is clearly excessive for many. In order for digitized documentation to become an advantage, it is necessary that the production has a modern machine park capable of working with digitized documentation and specialists who can work on such machines. So, although the news is gratifying, but until the planes fly, it is better to postpone jumping with delight.

          Sorry, but a little funny to read such comments. Digitization of CD, has nothing to do with the manufacture of parts on CNC machines, "put in a drawing - received a part" - there is no such thing yet, there is "put in a mathematical model - received a part". But the documentation in the mat. the models have not yet been translated, and this is not always necessary.
          As for personnel, too, "not everything is so simple" (c) the total amount of knowledge of an adjuster (operator) should be much higher than that of a universal machine operator, professional skills are simply different. And plus to this, the success or not the success of manufacturing parts on CNC machines depends more on the qualifications of the technologist-programmer, etc.
          In fact, it’s necessary to file an article on this subject - such questions pop up quite often, and adequate answers are very rare. hi
          1. Verdun
            Verdun 27 July 2016 12: 30
            +3
            Quote: engineer74
            Sorry, but a little funny to read such comments. Digitization of CD, has nothing to do with the manufacture of parts on CNC machines, "put in a drawing - received a part" - there is no such thing yet, there is "put in a mathematical model - received a part". But the documentation in the mat. the models have not yet been translated, and this is not always necessary.

            So I kind of wrote about it. request I just wrote about the fact that the digitization of the documentation has nothing to do with the restoration of production of the Tu-160 in our current realities. And about the fact that we still have a hard time with specialists who can work on CNC machines. At the same time, "I put in a drawing - I got a detail" - there are such technologies for a long time. To be a programmer, in order to work on automated machine tools of the latest generations, it is no longer necessary for twenty years. Even the Chinese produce such. But for this you need to draw not in Autocad, but, say, in CATIa, and this requires different qualifications from engineers. I am also aware of the fact that we have gaps, to put it mildly, with equipment capable of working with this technology. But if we want to catch up with someone, these gaps must be filled.
            1. engineer74
              engineer74 27 July 2016 12: 44
              +3
              In general, I agree with you, only a few clarifications: CATIA, like NX, heavy CAD / CAM / CAE systems, the basic principle is solid modeling, the developers themselves consider drawing modules as a rudiment. Therefore, the preparation of data for processing a part according to a drawing (not a model) is from the field of sexual perversions. smile
              The main plus of these systems is the simultaneous work on the product of the designer, technologist, engineer and even figs who knows what the output gives (ideally) technological, i.e. cheap quality product in a short time.
              As for personnel, I repeat, this is a separate topic, if only because at one enterprise different schemes for organizing the operation of CNC machines can be used. And, accordingly, in different divisions will be very different requirements for personnel. But the system of vocational education and secondary engineering is very pathetic.
              1. Verdun
                Verdun 27 July 2016 12: 52
                +3
                Quote: engineer74
                Therefore, the preparation of data for processing a part according to a drawing (not a model) is from the field of sexual perversions.

                I used the word "drawing" in a broad sense of the word, because concepts such as "solid 3D modeling" and "mathematical design of surface and wireframe" are for many site visitors (judging by their comments) - a secret behind seven seals. smile Indeed, even in production, there are experts who believe that 3D-MAX is the crown of creation. And vocational education is really a pity. True, there is a suspicion that there is already nothing to regret. crying
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 27 July 2016 16: 52
                  +1
                  For me, SolidWorks is the crown of modeling and design.
                  1. Verdun
                    Verdun 27 July 2016 17: 47
                    0
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    For me, SolidWorks is the crown of modeling and design.

                    SolidWorks and CATIA are two products from the same developer, Dasso Systems. Each is imprisoned for its own tasks. Since, due to the specifics of my work, I often deal with surfaces, I prefer Katya. In the latest versions of V5 and V6, it is quite convenient. And some tasks are probably more convenient than SolidWorks. hi
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        4. In100gram
          In100gram 27 July 2016 13: 44
          0
          I join in general. BUT I would use the word "restore" without quotes
        5. Andrey57
          Andrey57 28 July 2016 21: 25
          0
          On "Kuznetsov" everything is also in order in terms of packing)) As for "it is worth handing over the engines", the article is about the installation batch and certification, all the R&D work has been done for a long time, we are talking about the serial production of new engines, moreover, " the old "NK-32" never stopped producing - the planned replacement of engines on the Tu-160 was never canceled.
      2. Berkut24
        Berkut24 27 July 2016 12: 10
        +8
        1) From MO several years ago there was an order for design work on a major modernization and restoration of production of the NK-32. For the resource of engines on airplanes is not eternal.
        2) At the plant in Kazan there are backlogs of 2 unfinished bombers. However, the factory documentation is still in paper form.
        There is equipment for the production and repair of machines, but almost all the machines are replaced by digital ones. In fact, the aviation industry in recent years has undergone a major modernization of its machinery. This was one of the main articles of our imports, and especially from Germany. Superjets are built exactly according to European standards and production technologies. Accordingly, digital redesign is needed, including for components that we no longer receive from other CIS countries. With the advent of digital documentation, the process will go much faster and cheaper than with the USSR.
      3. Alex_Tug
        Alex_Tug 27 July 2016 13: 01
        +1
        Verdun
        In order for digitized documentation to become an advantage, it is necessary that the production has a modern machine park capable of working with digitized documentation and specialists who can work on such machines.


        specialists who can work on such machines? It’s cheaper and faster to train 5 process engineers than to prepare 100 high-class turners, milling machines, etc.
        1. Verdun
          Verdun 27 July 2016 15: 22
          +1
          Quote: Alex_Tug
          It’s cheaper and faster to train 5 process engineers than to prepare 100 high-class turners, milling machines, etc.

          Everything here largely depends on how massive the final product will be. It is pointless to purchase an expensive CNC machine capable of producing thousands of parts per day when it comes to pilot or small-scale production. At the same time, there are high-class turners and milling operators who are capable of doing on conventional machines what high-tech equipment cannot do. At one time I was holding one thing in my hands. It was made by a turner who had golden hands on one side and love for the green serpent on the other. At the moments of the "tie-up" he was hired without question, and even to the place where he was already kicked out when the guy went into a binge. And in one office after he was fired, a glass vodka bottle was found in his personal locker. The bottle was cut across and connected thanks to the threads cut into its walls. Judging by the characteristic traces of the cutter, all the work was done on a lathe. And how this was done, more than one technologist did not undertake to explain. And none of the turner colleagues managed to repeat this "feat". request
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          2. your1970
            your1970 27 July 2016 19: 43
            +2

            "The bottle was cut across and connected thanks to the thread cut on its walls. Judging by the characteristic traces of the cutter, all the work was done on a lathe. And how it was done, not one technologist took it upon himself to explain. And to repeat this" feat "to none of fellow turners failed. "
            Intrigued, found-really really do this ....
            1. Verdun
              Verdun 27 July 2016 20: 05
              0
              Quote: your1970
              Intrigued, found-really really do this ....

              The one that I was holding in my hands was from under the "Stolichnaya". Maybe the same author - you won't recognize it by hand. And you thought - I told a beautiful story? smile
              1. your1970
                your1970 28 July 2016 00: 00
                0
                there was some mistrust hi drinks painfully specific material
      4. 73bor
        73bor 27 July 2016 13: 48
        0
        It’s just possible, it would have been the old fashioned way, but there are simply not so many draftsmen and they are digitizing!
        1. Verdun
          Verdun 27 July 2016 14: 19
          +1
          Quote: 73bor
          It’s just possible, it would have been the old fashioned way, but there are simply not so many draftsmen and they are digitizing!

          You simply do not understand what is covered by the concept of "digitization". There are no technologies that allow you to insert a drawing made on paper into a certain device and get a finished electronic drawing. So you have to draw, albeit in a computer, but still in a new way.
      5. desyatka
        desyatka 27 July 2016 13: 48
        -3
        digital documentation is needed for "additive technologies" (3D printers), we are starting to catch up with the west in this industry, the biggest problem is powder for laser baking (state secret).
      6. Alf
        Alf 27 July 2016 22: 09
        +1
        Quote: Verdun
        . Maybe at first it’s worth passing the engines?

        They will surrender. I know what I'm talking about, I work in a neighboring workshop. The workshop working for them plows around the clock for 12 hours. New machines, machining centers, floors painted white, work in full swing.
    2. gray smeet
      gray smeet 27 July 2016 11: 48
      +10
      Quote: Dr. Stein
      The fact that they are concluded is another fact that they will build, as if on paper, the current in the form of a project does not remain.


      They will build, judging by the weekly "plantings" of the "greats of this world" - they will certainly build.

      And on the "landing" - that Putin will become a bloody dictator, and they will write about hundreds of millions of innocent victims! And he will stand in a row with Ivan IV and Stalin ...
      1. dauria
        dauria 27 July 2016 12: 13
        0
        They will build, judging by the weekly "plantings" of the "greats of this world" - they will certainly build.


        Oh, it's scary like ... "landing" wink Is our landing frequency too tied to the elections?

        Yes, they will build, there is still nowhere to go. Walked up, that's enough. It's time to hangover. But soon another whining will begin - "yes, they pulled up with this work. You plow, plow ..."
        1. gray smeet
          gray smeet 27 July 2016 12: 29
          +1
          Quote: dauria


          Oh, it's scary like ... "landing" wink Is our landing frequency too tied to the elections?


          In the previous election, I do not remember the landings, who planted then? request
    3. vv3
      vv3 27 July 2016 14: 29
      -3
      A very controversial topic. There are a lot of questions about the feasibility of such an aircraft. Apart from advertising in our country, all other points are debatable. By design: the wing with variable geometry is yesterday. It reduces the assigned resource, makes the aircraft heavier, does not allow rational use of the internal volume of the wing. Aerodynamic gain is minimal ... U we are also waiting for a replacement in the TU-22M3 + aircraft line, and such a machine will replace both the new TU-160 and the new PAK YES ... Otherwise, we’ll remain without pants. The SU-34M aircraft will not be able to replace both of these aircraft ... A new aircraft that his name is PAK DA should be the size of a TU-22M3 and without a mobile console. You need to make a commander’s decision, not stupidly cut money. The TU-160 is difficult and expensive to maintain with such a small amount, but the solution for those who think and know how to count money is obvious .... Add here the construction of new airfields and a ground structure for these monsters ...
      1. mr.redpartizan
        mr.redpartizan 27 July 2016 16: 59
        +1
        A variable sweep wing is required when flying at different altitudes. At high altitude, the wing has a high degree of sweep, which reduces resistance to air flow and makes it possible to increase flight speed. At low altitude, the wing has a low sweep, which reduces speed, but increases lift. For bombers, the low-level flight mode is very important.
        1. vv3
          vv3 27 July 2016 17: 59
          -2
          Who needs this educational program? I do not need, and not quite right. The main mode of use is take-off, it’s clear to you. Everything else is derivative.
    4. Lyubopyatov
      Lyubopyatov 30 July 2016 00: 12
      0
      Contracts are concluded, as I understand it, for the digitization of design and technical documentation. Contracts for physical reproduction should follow.
  3. Krsk
    Krsk 27 July 2016 11: 32
    +6
    and the plane is beautiful and the news is good
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 27 July 2016 11: 40
      +1
      It is looking for someone. winked It seems that NATO began to quietly jumble.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 27 July 2016 14: 50
        +3
        Quote: Captive
        It is looking for someone. winked It seems that NATO began to quietly jumble.

        At the moment, why should they be afraid? That's when the first 160 M2 will be taken to taxiing, then we’ll talk and we’ll hear screams from behind the puddle ... and so, this news didn’t bring the project closer to the production car, although the fact that the work is still underway can not but rejoice .
  4. engineer74
    engineer74 27 July 2016 11: 34
    +6
    So the "stress test" of our aircraft industry has begun, I hope we will pass it with dignity! smile
  5. Teberii
    Teberii 27 July 2016 11: 38
    0
    The machine is complex, we can collect well done without intermediaries.
  6. -СтрР° РЅРЅРёРє-
    +2
    It is desirable with an improved "stuffing" of the case - electronics at least since that time has gone very far, and the case materials too! And this is a decrease in weight and, as a consequence, an increase in payload, range, strengthening of defensive weapons (it would be a pity to lose such handsome men!). hi
  7. Xmyp
    Xmyp 27 July 2016 11: 44
    -2
    Quote: Teberii
    The machine is complex, we can collect well done without intermediaries.

    Who to collect? The last specialists in their field of retirement age, young people do not go to work for a penny, and they receive mostly legal education (managers, economists, analysts, and any other rabble).
    Vaguely to be honest, to be honest, although I really want to.
    1. Felix
      Felix 27 July 2016 11: 53
      +5
      Quote: XmyP
      Education is mainly legal (managers, economists, analysts and any other rabble).
      Vaguely to be honest, to be honest, although I really want to.


      Before making such statements, look at a competition in technical universities.
    2. Damask
      Damask 27 July 2016 12: 26
      +3
      I agree to let rabble, it was a matter of young people scored three years ago, like the mountains they promised, they didn’t pay anything, they all ran and parted
  8. Machete
    Machete 27 July 2016 11: 49
    0
    How much do they want to build?
    1. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 27 July 2016 13: 17
      0
      By the end of this year, the plant must give us the first four engines, and one more for qualification tests

      Machete
      How much do they want to build?


      The article "digitized" four engines - 1 aircraft.
  9. Mizhgan
    Mizhgan 27 July 2016 11: 53
    +1
    I am sure they will build it. More than even sure. Even despite the lack of personnel .... The main thing is training on the spot .... Even during the Second World War shells were sharpened by children 10-15 years old .... And who trained them in vocational schools? Everything is in place ... Yes - I agree, it is difficult, but possible, and even real ....
  10. Vadim237
    Vadim237 27 July 2016 11: 57
    0
    This is the NK 32 02 engine as a fighter stands.
    1. your1970
      your1970 27 July 2016 12: 24
      +3
      Vadim237
      "Do not confuse a mop with a finger" - thanks to THESE engines, THIS plane can "digitize" a third of Europe in one go. So it's not about the price ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 27 July 2016 16: 40
        +1
        Yes, he doesn’t even have to fly out of the territory of Russia - rockets will fly by themselves.
  11. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 27 July 2016 12: 00
    +3
    Three times Hurray. Hurray. Hurray .. comrades. No one has anything better. For some unknown reason, the production was stopped. Well, and now for other reasons, production resumes with new avionics and airborne armaments. Well, a mosh plane and a handsome man .
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 July 2016 12: 11
      0
      That's when the first Tu 160M2 flies - then we’ll shout Hurray.
  12. Damask
    Damask 27 July 2016 12: 23
    +3
    Dreams, however, are unlikely in the near future to build even a copy of the Tu-160
    1. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 27 July 2016 13: 19
      0
      Damask
      Dreams, however, are unlikely in the near future to build even a copy of the Tu-160


      Sense to build a copy? Avionics went ahead, the filling must be changed. The glider is good, remains.
  13. sub307
    sub307 27 July 2016 12: 27
    0
    Before clarification, PAK YES, this decision seems to be quite reasonable in my opinion.
  14. ava09
    ava09 27 July 2016 12: 44
    +1
    Quote: engineer74
    Well, I need to file an article on this topic - such questions pop up quite often, and adequate answers are very rare

    Here, here, "sip". And then many "experts" - members of the forum do not have the slightest idea about the process control system and personnel schedules in this area ...
  15. AlexTires
    AlexTires 27 July 2016 12: 54
    0
    It seems that taking into account new engines and avionics, the aircraft will be relevant for a very long time ....
  16. Xmyp
    Xmyp 27 July 2016 13: 27
    -2
    Quote: Felix
    Quote: XmyP
    Education is mainly legal (managers, economists, analysts and any other rabble).
    Vaguely to be honest, to be honest, although I really want to.


    Before making such statements, look at a competition in technical universities.


    And which ? Previously, the University where I studied was the 4th group of ASG, now 1. So everywhere in all the departments of other Universities. The number of groups in total with a technical bias has decreased significantly. Most Universities produce a minimum number of engineering and technical staff, besides using the new technology of bachelors, but this is not a specialist, only basic knowledge in the specialty.

    Total question. Which is better, 120 specialist engineers with a competition of 10 people for 1 place, or 30 bachelors (incomplete higher) with a competition of 100 people for 1 place?
    I am of the opinion that people like you, before writing, cannot think properly and adequately.
    1. Felix
      Felix 28 July 2016 06: 51
      0
      Quote: XmyP
      Previously, the University where I studied was the 4th group of ASG, now 1. So everywhere in all faculties of other Universities

      Before - when? This year my daughter entered in Novosibirsk - in any technical university - wild contests ...
    2. bk316
      bk316 29 July 2016 18: 31
      +2
      Quote: XmyP
      Used to be at the university where I studied

      Something I did not notice the reduction of groups in the MAI.
      And in general, there used to be one university, and engineers were not trained in it.
      Well, we from Moscow State University are so kidding. laughing

      Although this statement has a grain: at universities in the USSR engineers were not trained.
  17. nik13
    nik13 27 July 2016 14: 15
    +2
    Quote: Verdun
    There are such specialists. But the fact is that working on a conventional lathe and a CNC lathe require completely different skills. In one case, the specialist must "feel the metal", have a keen eye and a firm hand. on the other - to understand electronics, programming, 3D-modeling, since the machine performs all operations for processing a part by itself


    but you don’t need to write nonsense, maybe you do everything yourself in the garage, but in large industries everything is divided and the operator of the machine with cnc is just the operator and no more
  18. mr.redpartizan
    mr.redpartizan 27 July 2016 17: 06
    0
    Rather, they would launch the Tu-160M2 to replace the obsolete Tu-95MS. The nuclear triad should terrify our enemies.
    1. user1212
      user1212 28 July 2016 04: 13
      0
      Quote: mr.redpartizan
      Rather, they would launch the Tu-160M2 to replace the obsolete Tu-95MS. The nuclear triad should terrify our enemies.

      PAK DA will replace Tu-95MS, Tu 160M2 remains. Get an analogue of the American pair B-1 Lancer / B-2 Spirit
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  20. Vladimir65
    Vladimir65 27 July 2016 22: 46
    0
    A wonderful airplane and was born in a wonderful state.
  21. Zomanus
    Zomanus 27 July 2016 23: 56
    0
    The plane is good, you need to build one.
    Because our strategic aviation is aging, there is no getting anywhere.
    We are building new submarines, we are building new missiles, and here we have taken up strategic aviation.
  22. Not served
    Not served 28 July 2016 11: 53
    0
    Quote: starpom
    Quote: Muvka
    Oh, handsome ..

    Against the background of Saratov


    More like Engels. Although I could be wrong.
  23. Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 28 July 2016 11: 56
    +1
    Quote: oborzevatel
    Quote: GAF
    Quote: Muvka
    Oh, handsome ...

    Really. "White Swan" is an amazing combination of power and aesthetics - as if to say: "We are peaceful people, but our armored train ..."

    Pentagon vultures have big problems
  24. su163
    su163 28 July 2016 15: 38
    0
    Quote: afrikanez
    I think against the background of New York, he would have looked no worse. (of course, but in every joke ...) lol

    New York is definitely better !!
  25. potapych
    potapych 28 July 2016 16: 20
    0
    fit looking at the factory life will begin
  26. Brain Yurich
    Brain Yurich 28 July 2016 17: 08
    0
    I did not understand from the article whether the Tu-160M2 would somehow be modernized, at least partially. Not that I hint at his old age, I just always want everything new and reliable.
  27. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 28 July 2016 17: 48
    0
    Quote: Petrovich1952
    I think against the backdrop of New York, he would have looked no worse. Type friendly visit


    On a jump to Caracas, we visited Comrade Hugo Chavez. There was such a thing. Wow, the nix happened in the Pintagon. It is not necessary to approach 160 like that, but as the "peacekeepers" squealed. And Chavez is dead. And how many attempts were there on Fidel? Here it is, the difference.
  28. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 28 July 2016 18: 28
    0
    Slowlyoooooo! You need to move faster, but "liberals" with "effective managers" interfere at all levels, everyone knows, understands and keeps silent.
  29. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 28 July 2016 21: 36
    0
    Excellent!!! Such "birds" will be very useful to us! Cool hotheads very well!
  30. japs
    japs 29 July 2016 17: 28
    +3
    Beautiful aircraft.
    Once restored, then modernization will be.
    Looking at this bird you feel pride in the Motherland.