In Kiev, once again voiced the position on the "imposed" by Russia 3-billion debt

Kiev should not give Moscow $ 3 billion, received in the time of Yanukovych, reports the portal Political Russia statement by the Minister of Finance of Ukraine Alexander Danilyuk.

“If it was possible to get the best conditions, it's hard for me to say now. Do I have the opportunity to change these conditions - definitely not. For me now the main question ... we, you know, three billion debt still not restructured. In fact, we simply suggested that the Russians agree to the same conditions. They refused, ”the minister said.

He confirmed that the government will defend its position in an international court.

“There is a clear position of ours that it was rather a political loan that we were forced to take in principle. And after we resolve this issue, I think the restructuring issue has been closed altogether, ”said Danyluk.

According to him, the main goal of the steps taken by Kiev is not to not give up the debt to the Russian side at all.

"Our position, that it was coercion, that it was under political influence forced to take this money, and therefore our position: we should not return them",

said the Ukrainian minister.

Recall that we are talking about the provision by Russia to the Ukrainian authorities in 2013 of funds through the purchase of sovereign Eurobonds of Ukraine in the amount of $ 3 billion.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

Sing, sing, svidomye. Percentists are dropping, and penalties too.

[Vend]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Sing, sing, svidomye. Percentists are dropping, and penalties too.

Yes, you have to give more. However, they do not think about it.

[BARKAS]

Something tells me that interest to non-brothers as always write off.

[avt]

Quote: BARKAS

Something tells me that interest to non-brothers as always write off.

Chatting to the internal public, they can whatever they want. Debt by international financiers is recognized as sovereign and

But today, citizens, you have a terrible mistake.
And it’s not even that we caught you.
But today, fasting day?
No, today is an ordinary, modest day.
Yes, here is the number you blurted out the wrong one.
You took the thing from the wife of the English envoy, and according to international agreements for the mink coat, worth 100 thousand only, you have to pay the administration of the Bolshoi Theater.
Government agency.
Do you know, Rukhnikov, what am I talking about?
Sewing Decree 7-8, Chief?
I sew?
What do I have to do with it?
If you looked at yourself from the side, Ruchnikov, you would have noticed that the decree of August 7, which you call 7-8, is imprinted on your forehead.
And your Volokushina’s accomplice - all the more!
So 10 to you, citizens!
10 per capita!

Yet again

"Isaac, don't play the fool, they need Fedotov!"

Debt is primarily a tool for working with the borrower, and not getting banal interest, although this is also good, now the IMF has refused a loan to Ruin under the pretext of .... unregulated debt with Russia.

[NIKNN]

And to correct a shameful mistake and to impose these grandmas on us back, with the support of the UN, USA, and the EU, etc. weak?

[Aleksander]

Oh who would I imposed 3 billion loan!

[Koshak]

Quote: Aleksander

Oh who would I imposed 3 billion loan!

And give it away with compressed air? A loan is not a gift; you need to repay it with interest.

[Lukich]

Quote: Koshak

it must be returned with interest.

interest was in nuland in the liver. there are no others. Got it all

[Docent1984]

Well, if you scale from a whole country to one person, then a couple of millions under such conditions is just a fairy tale. 5% per annum, moratorium on interest for a year ... Hardly anyone will refuse)

[Lukich]

Quote: Aleksander

Oh, who would I impose a 3 billion loan!

and do not give a neighbor in a booze took me under. but drank together.

[Evgeny RS]

For this money, the collectors will dismantle you and your whole kin up to 7 knees for s / h. Do you need this?))

[Amurets]

Quote: NIKNN

And to correct a shameful mistake and to impose these grandmas on us back, with the support of the UN, USA, and the EU, etc. weak?

In fact, Ukraine has almost become uninteresting to the Americans. There are enough problems. The main thing is that porridge has been brewed with Crimea and the creation of hot spots on the Russian border. Now the Americans have a headache with the PRC, which actually sent the United States and its allies a long way, laying a large self-tapping screw on The Hague and the United States caliber and sending Carrie on a long journey where the American Makar did not drive his Mustangs, and therefore there is no hope that the Yankees will go to another aggravation for the sake of Dill. And there is also a scandal with Kristin Legar and the IMF's demand to pay off the debt that puts an end to Ukropia’s hopes for another tranche.

[BARKAS]

Quote: avt

Debt is primarily a tool for working with the borrower, and not getting banal interest, although this is also good, now the IMF has refused a loan to Ruin under the pretext of .... unregulated debt with Russia

Well, you can still demand the arrest of Ukrainian property abroad, even if it takes years.

[avt]

Quote: BARKAS

Well, you can still demand the arrest of Ukrainian property abroad, even if it takes years.

That’s exactly what is better NOW to work with a debtor in a financial clearing, and only then ... and at least arrest ALL Ukraine for debts with interest. Remember how Russia turned, twisted IMF loans in the 90s, while GDP was not calculated ahead of schedule. So credit, especially sovereign one, is a powerful tool of pressure on the country.

[Lukich]

Quote: avt

a powerful instrument of pressure on the country.

on whom? there was a country.

[your1970]

a little off topic, but in the film the decree "7-8" was incorrectly "sewn"
"Instructions for the application of the decree of the Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR of August 7, 1932 on the protection of property of state enterprises, collective farms and cooperatives and the strengthening of public (socialist) property 1 *
16 September 1932 of
Secretly
The Supreme Court of the USSR and the prosecutor's office of the Supreme Court of the USSR, the NKJ of the Union Republics, the chairmen of regional (regional) courts, regional (regional) prosecutors, chairmen and prosecutors of linear courts, district prosecutors. To the Chairman of the GPU of Ukraine, plenipotentiaries of the OGPU, DTOOGPU, heads of opersectors

1 section
Crimes covered by the law of August 7th. The law of August 7 is to be applied in the theft of state and public property:
a) industrial (theft of factory and factory property);
b) state farm;
c) state trading organizations;
d) collective farm;
e) cooperative;
f) cargo on railroad and water transport and local vehicles. "- since the administration of the Bolshoi Theater was responsible for the stolen, but property in no way not listed above - it was legally impossible to sew this decree to Ruchechnikov.
So not everything is so simple in our history .....

[zanoza]

"Political" say why did they spend it after the coup? We could have returned this "political money at once."
the best leadership of the country, such shny and excuses.

[dauria]

Something tells me that interest to non-brothers as always write off.

Yes, there’s no clue ... Well, even if the United States can’t keep Ukraine and throw this gnawed bone at us, who will repay the IMF’s debts to Ukraine? Tied tightly. Eh, horses ... Jumped. Now scatter around the world - the last one pays the bills.
Although I can give advice, transfer the capital to Lviv, fall into pieces as a Union, Lviv make the successor of Ukraine (along with debt) and run to the station from Lviv all together and to Russia.

[afrikanez]

The impression is that the current ruling "dictatorship" has nothing to do with Ukraine, if it is expressed that way. The debt is not hanging on Yanukovych, but on the country "Ukraine"

[Lukich]

Quote: BARKAS

Something tells me that interest to non-brothers as always write off.

write off for the restoration of Donbass.

[Andrey K]

Quote: Wend

Yes, you have to give more. However, they do not think about it.

On the Maidan, the thought galloped.
While they were fooling around with the gas pipeline - gas, and, accordingly, the money for transit, they began to bypass the "non-deposit" side ...
They cut the power block of Crimea, as a result, Crimea managed without an overflow of electricity through Ukraine. Money for it - as usual by ...
Cargo transportation was blocked, as a result, they were left without transit across Russia ...
You can continue for a long time, only one essence - ukrovlasty dig a hole for a neighbor, and fall into it themselves, and with enviable regularity ...

[weksha50]

Quote: Andrey K

While they were cunning about the gas pipeline, gas, and, accordingly, the money for transit, began to bypass the "non-deposit" side ...
They cut the power block of Crimea, as a result, Crimea managed without an overflow of electricity through Ukraine. Money for this is by ..

An interesting fact is that they declare a complete departure from energy dependence on Russia ... That is, they are ALREADY completely independent of energy issues ...

And they will soon export gas (their own, own !!!) ...

I've been thinking the third day about how they succeeded ...

[Andrey K]

Quote: weksha50

... There is an interesting fact that they declare a complete departure from energy dependence on Russia ... That is, they are ALREADY completely independent of energy issues ...

... I've been thinking for the third day how they succeeded ...

Well, how did it work, but like this:

... Russia will supply Kiev with 600 megawatts of electricity under an agreement on technical assistance due to a shortage in the Ukrainian energy system. On Friday, June 24, according to Interfax-Ukraine, citing a source in the Ministry of Energy and Coal Industry.

“From 7 o’clock today we receive 600 megawatts of technical assistance from Russia. The need arose due to the shutdown of NPP units ...

[weksha50]

Quote: Andrey K

Well, how did it work, but like this:

Jumped ... And from the nuclear power plant they do that ...
And breaking this agreement on technical cooperation is fraught not only for them, but also for us ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: weksha50

An interesting fact is that they declare a complete departure from energy dependence on Russia ... That is, they are ALREADY completely independent of energy issues ...

And they will soon export gas (their own, own !!!) ...

All these statements will be made before the first cold weather. Donbass will not sell coal to Kiev, it is necessary to pay off with Russia, and Europe has its own hemorrhoids above the roof, starting with the refugee question and ending with the elections ...

[Donhapa]

Quote: Andrey K

Quote: Wend

Yes, you have to give more. However, they do not think about it.

On the Maidan, the thought galloped.
While they were fooling around with the gas pipeline - gas, and, accordingly, the money for transit, they began to bypass the "non-deposit" side ...
They cut the power block of Crimea, as a result, Crimea managed without an overflow of electricity through Ukraine. Money for it - as usual by ...
Cargo transportation was blocked, as a result, they were left without transit across Russia ...
You can continue for a long time, only one essence - ukrovlasty dig a hole for a neighbor, and fall into it themselves, and with enviable regularity ...

Because they rule there, or hidden enemies of the Ukrainian people

[Donhapa]

Quote: Wend

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Sing, sing, svidomye. Percentists are dropping, and penalties too.

Yes, you have to give more. However, they do not think about it.

Quote: BARKAS

Something tells me that interest to non-brothers as always write off.

YES THERE ARE NOT GIVING THEM even with interest even without, is it really incomprehensible.
There, in their budget, they stole everything for a long time 10 years ahead. Industry is killing, and in the southeast, billions are needed for the slaughter ...
And our government around the world has forgiven debtors tens of billions of greens ...
Only his people will not forgive. They will tear the last out of the throat. And thieves officials and other capitalists - alligarchs are fattening on national money abroad

[captain]

They will not give us the money and do not dream about it. Our management will write them off all the money and interest, in about five years. We write them off to everyone and write them off.

[goose]

Quote: Donhapa

Only his people will not forgive. They will tear the last out of the throat. And thieves officials and other capitalists - alligarchs are fattening on national money abroad

That's right: borrowed alone, and give to others.

[GSH-18]

In Kiev, once again voiced the position on the "imposed" by Russia 3-billion debt

How tired of these frostbitten Maidan bydlobabuin, who knew?

[Samen]

Our position is that it was a compulsion, that it was under political influence that we were forced to take this money,

[DMB_95]

Well, if the decisions made under Yanukovych are now invalid, then what the hell are claims about Crimea and other similar decisions made under the Soviet regime?

[siberalt]

What can’t you imagine if debt is reluctant to give.

[lelikas]

Quote: siberalt

What can’t you imagine if debt is reluctant to give.

Have we adopted a law on collectors? So let them work! It is necessary to transfer debt to them, they will quickly bring them to hiccups.

[weksha50]

Quote: lelikas

Have we adopted a law on collectors? So let them work! It is necessary to transfer debt to them, they will quickly bring them to hiccups.

Well, you’re cruel ... Ukraine ... Piglet ... Yes to our collectors ...

[Hon]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Sing, sing, svidomye. Percentists are dropping, and penalties too.

yes it seems to them a poker, they have forgiven the debt, about the guarantee under which the loan was given, they all unanimously forgot. someone promised us a default that something is not visible

[Berber]

It's a pity. Because they will pay simple, not Yatsenyuk, Poroshenko, etc. They will give, only these will not touch.

[vodolaz]

The IMF looked at these clowns and decided: well, what for you with such loan repayments.

[EvgNik]

3 billion. To repay all debts, and this is somewhere around 150 billion.

[Dark]

192 billion rubles approximately!

[EvgNik]

Quote: Dark

192 billion rubles is brilliant!

Voooot. And here about three that cry.

[kebeskin]

The main thing is not to be as usual. We will forgive you a debt. They need to be given and this applies not only to Ukraine.

[Machete]

Forced to take $ 3 billion ...
Damned Muscovites!
How exactly everything was calculated! Well, it was impossible not to take.

[BARKHAN]

Quote: Machete

Forced to take $ 3 billion ...
Damned Muscovites!
How exactly everything was calculated! Well, it was impossible not to take.

And the evil dictator Putin, meanly, helps with electricity ... sheer insidiousness.

[Koresh]

You say this to the IMF and not to the domestic consumer. Well, honestly, how much you can poison people with bikes, in any case they will force us to pay, tariff increases are not for the economy but for repaying loans.

[Kudrevkn]

The first step has been taken - at least they began to acknowledge the debt, it's already good! "Like, they took it, but it didn't hurt and wanted to take it"? The second step is the recognition of "got it? Give it back!" Step three - "how much to give?" And finally - "when should we give it back"? and "where to get to give"? (from whom to borrow?)

[Corsair0304]

Petsya, turn to the Eurohegemon or overseas smoked, cry. And let them themselves transfer the tranche of the debt of Ukraine to Russia, and then if they give you the next year everything will happen again.

[x.andvlad]

Reasoning cattle uncouth, seated in a ministerial chair.

[Andrea]

What kind of credit is that? Russia bought bonds on the London Stock Exchange, what kind of loan in the ass, if anyone could buy them, but it only became like, for some reason, only Russia
And this ... that thumped last year? The IMF has recognized debt sovereign.

[iliitchitch]

Ukraine should not ... Yes, it sticks out to everyone! Thieves sucks with grabbing hands. Hamsters. This viper will have to be raked, and Putin will be guilty again.

[black]

«Our position is that it was a coercion, that it was forced to take this money under political influence, and therefore our position: we should not return it, ”
So that under pressure they took money away - I heard. But to give!?! Oh, these treacherous Russians! Today they forced me to take the money, tomorrow there will be stuffed dumplings with sour cream in my mouth. Where does the European public look?

[Volzhanin]

Capitalism is a cruel thing. You can’t give back 150 lards - pay in kind and in territories. Everything is simple. To this and goes.

[Stirbjorn]

Interestingly, someone will be held responsible for the fact that these crooks were given 3 billion ?!

[Dark]

And how much Ukraine owes dough to the West besides Russia !? Most likely, Russia will write off the debt like the rest of the CIS countries!

[BOB044]

In Ukraine, the principle to whom I owe I forgive. Russia just needs to take them by the Adam's apple, so that the valve would work for them and the liquid would flow from all places.

[iliya87]

There is our clear position

Your position is cancer and on your knees beg for money. And you wanted to put on how and who after you will give this money.

[erased]

The reaction of Russia will be terrible - it will again give Ukraine gas at a discount, will not impose sanctions due to overdue debts and Scythian gold, and will help with electricity almost free of charge.
On the other hand, the Russian authorities treat the Russian people gently and carefully - they softly and often increase housing and utilities tariffs, increase fines for late payments almost painlessly, quietly reduce the indexation of pensions and gently strangle small and medium-sized businesses.
Well, just nonsense!

[Stirbjorn]

to dream of dripping percentages, as it was here, is simply ridiculous. With the Mistrals, the same bullshit was - everyone there was sick of forfeiters, but in fact, the Frenchmen returned the advance and that's all. With Ukraine, at best it will be the same - well, at the ideal option, but most likely they will show the muzzle as usual.
PS Soon another tax on housing will be introduced, by the end of the year, and in full by 2020

[Elephant]

Something there is no information on the trial of 3 billion in international courts. It would be possible to arrest, sell and pay off the property of Ukraine and accounts abroad.

[Machete]

Only even the "pro-Ukrainian" IMF does not want to give more money, given Kiev's "policy of non-repayment of debts".
People everywhere know how to count money and more bad loans, it seems they will not.

[kirieeleyson]

Someone would have forced me to take a loan of 3 lard, on interest, 20 times better than a mortgage, you can build a village or five hefty farms. Or to build a factory for cleaning sheep’s wool so that they don’t buy washed in triadorogas, selling dirty 10 times less. Duck, I would still say thanks and give it back on time, I would go to the bank with gypsies and a bear.
And the IMF is not worried that these murlocs will blurt out the same about THEIR "credit"?))))

[weksha50]

"it was rather such political credit, which we were forced in principle to take "...

And what "color" have IMF loans ??? Blue or rainbow?

Now try the IMF to say that it has forced Ukraine to take "political" loans from it, and just hint that you are not even considering the issue of repayment ...

It seems to me that if we consider Ukraine simply as a debtor, then Ukraine, as such, is no longer there ... For debts, everything will go under the drum roll ...

[Arkan]

All galloping gallop. So that banderlogs are not babbling now, you’ll have to give a loan.

[Siberian]

“There is our clear position that it was, rather, such political credit, which we were forced to take in principle. And after we resolve this issue, I believe that the issue of restructuring was closed in general, ”Danilyuk said.
Interestingly, and they (the junta) do not consider IMF tranches as political loans? Or is it a pure economy ...

[iliitchitch]

Quote: black

So that under pressure they took money away - I heard. But to give !?

The cunning of the Byzantine is simple. . And why are you refusing $ 3 billion? What for a jamb?

[absaz]

In this case, it is necessary to start the collectors in full, with bats, brass knuckles, a hot iron and a burner and force them to pay off the debt with interest, start with Petya without missing anyone and end up in Farion, so that there would be less

[vassa]

"I'm not guilty! He came to me himself!"

[AKS-U]

"it was, rather, such a political loan"
"We were forced, in principle, to take it." - solid tolerances from the mouth of the juntist.
"we have a clear position" - a position based on continuous tolerances, it is not a position. This is a pose to look beautiful. And nothing more.
In this ugly situation, Russia's position is surprising. Some kind of soft, careless, mediocre. Reminds of a story with doping - some secret lists, reports of misunderstanding, holes in the wall and other absurdity raised to the rank of true. Isinbayeva said very correctly - "There is no one to protect me." So it turns out with this debt of 3 billion (or return), there is no one to protect them. And this is the taxpayers' money.

[Retvizan]

Farion was long rid of.
As for duty - this music will be eternal. As usual, all such decisions (gas debt, etc.) are politicized.
It is a pity, of course, that everything fell through (the Moscow Treaty) regarding Eurobonds and other nishtyaks (although the nationalists are broadcasting about something else). I was more interested in the orders of our enterprises than in the "business presidents" and Eurobonds. "Business presidents" are more alive than all living things.

[Donhapa]

Quote: Retvizan

Farion was long rid of.
As for duty - this music will be eternal. As usual, all such decisions (gas debt, etc.) are politicized.
It is a pity, of course, that everything fell through (the Moscow Treaty) regarding Eurobonds and other nishtyaks (although the nationalists are broadcasting about something else). I was more interested in the orders of our enterprises than in the "business presidents" and Eurobonds. "Business presidents" are more alive than all living things.

And where did this old nag go, how long has it been inaudible that something, did not catch a cold, or in a madhouse?

[sgr291158]

Well, what kind of people they took so give that you dodge.

[grandfather Mih]

Here he is, political homosexuality.

[L. A. A.]

Why did they lend? When they gave money, did anyone have this question?

[andrei72]

Quote: weksha50

An interesting fact is that they declare a complete departure from energy dependence on Russia ... That is, they are ALREADY completely independent of energy issues ...

It's as easy as shelling pears: Russia has curtailed the transit of oil and gas through the territory of Ukraine, in fact, because of this, they are "completely independent" (no foreign exchange earnings, there is NOTHING to pay debts) ...
https://topwar.ru/98461-gibel-tranzitnogo-gosudarstva-ukraina-stanovitsya-slepoy
-kishkoy-evrazii.html

[Wolka]

only a very stupid or sick person after all this will continue to work with dill ...

[Evgeny RS]

Yes, our leadership is definitely "sick". For a start, you just need to close the Russian market for Ukrainian goods for refusing to repay the loan. It would cost them dearly. And before the world, this step can be justified as economic sanctions for non-compliance with the Minsk agreements. After all, we are under pressure for this, but we can also put pressure on Ukraine.

[stayer]

Apparent logic can lead to such wilds that it will then be difficult to figure out. I follow the topic for the third year, as the rhetoric on this debt is gradually changing. I will not repeat all the nonsense behind them. But I’m sure that when Ukraine finally becomes disillusioned with the results of its revolution, it will seek (as usual) someone to blame. Based on how rhetoric is changing, it will look like this - We wanted to join the EU, but Russia imposed a loan on us, this led to a revolution that led to the collapse of Ukraine. Guilty in the Maidan of Russia. And besides 3 lards, it should restore a collapsed economy, etc.

PS. Laughing out loud.....

[RussianRoulette]

For the pleasure you would have to pay ... but no, they are still resisting.

[vladimirvn]

And then forgave

Quote: Aleksander

Oh who would I imposed 3 billion loan!

[atamankko]

The thieves and scammers lead the hohland.

[Svetlana]

Imposed by force, that's the trouble! But why didn't you say: "We don't need your money! We already have exactly the same, where do we now put it?" For example, almost every day I receive SMS from Sberbank about the preliminary approval of a loan for 1,5 million rubles. I don’t take it, even though I’ve already got it.

[pts-m]

T. sing cachol contradicts himself. Who imposed on them these 3 lard? After all, they themselves placed their bonds on the international securities market. However, a “specialist".

[fa2998]

Quote: Arkan

And you have to give a loan.

Something seems to me that we will never see this money! The first option is the modern leadership of Ukraine (non-brothers), in principle, will refuse this debt (there are many reasons, and an article about it). The second option, maybe this mess in Ukraine will end over time and come adequate pro-Russian leadership (brothers), but then ALREADY OUR LEADERSHIP will write off the debt and still give. What are the Cubans and Vietnamese better than the Ukrainian Slav brothers? We have already written off $ 100 billion for three plus or minus state money for them. At the head of the country are geniuses of finance , we can't get ours! Remember how we "won back" the money for the Mistrals, some optimists thought about payoffs of 3-5 billion euros. - if they received pr.900 million and the stern remained there.

[Thompson]

As they spent imposed, they didn’t cry out, we don’t need it.
How to give ... Although, honestly, something about ours about this money has quieted down

[beer-youk]

Quote: BARKAS

Well, you can still demand the arrest of Ukrainian property abroad, even if it takes years.

There is an option that is faster and more accurate, but hardly feasible in modern conditions. Namely, to block gas ALL Europe to repay the debt Ukrainians. Something tells me that the power in Kiev will instantly change!

[Lekov L]

It reminds me of something.
No, no one compares Ukraine with this lady ...
Much honor to Ukraine ...

I'm not guilty, he came !!!!

[KRIG55]

To recover from Yanukovych, he, I believe, managed to improve his financial situation during the presidency ...

[Aristide]

It seems that Ukraine is specifically hiring inadequate people. It has become a Ukrainian brand. A Ukrainian official is independent of the state, whose responsibility is to carry nonsense on issues related to his authority. Avakov, Gerashchenko, Klitschko, etc. etc. And the main one is not an official (elected person) - Mr. Poroshenko, so he carries nonsense in all directions and he believes in what he is lying about.