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What can bring the observance of tradition?

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Looking through the Ukrainian media, statements by politicians and deputies, more and more often I find myself thinking that all this has already happened. Somewhere, once, but it was. Deja vu.




Ukraine in the last year has been overgrown with many “traditions”. Remember the traditional daily grenade. Or the same traditional "shelling by the separatists and the Russian army." And about the constant growth of the economy, which in a day or two turns into a recession? And examples of such a great many.

More and more often, Ukrainian deputies and politicians are talking about the new Maidan as a method of resolving the situation. And the conversation is no longer on the sidelines of the Rada or on its own pages on the Internet. The conversation is already open in the media. And everyone understands that such rumors did not appear without the knowledge of the authorities.

Ukraine is not a country where a person, even if he is the most famous and seemingly independent, can oppose the Poroshenko clique with impunity. Proved by Elderberry and many others. But the fact that such conversations are going is an indicator. As the second call in the theater.

Similarly, the situation with the economy. It cracks in such a way that this crackling sound is heard not only in Ukraine itself, but also in Europe, and even reaches the United States. Any requests for help from Kiev come across a bunch of conditions. Do you want money? We will, but ...

And this is the most "but" impossible to perform. Just because the fulfillment of such conditions is contrary to the very essence of the Kiev authorities. An attempt to go in the old, tried and tested way also failed. Industry, which the Ukrainians were so proud of, turned out to be nothing more than a fiction. Pshik, which existed only in tandem with the Russian industry. It is impossible to sell it. The same Odessa port plant, a monopolist in its segment, did not cause not only the rush of buyers, but even at least some interest. Zero applications for purchase!

And how many copies and noses were broken when discussing the issue of sale? And where there is money, and could buy, sit no fools. Moreover, they carefully watch the movements near Novorossiysk. And these movements can easily translate the Odessa PPZ in the same warehouse of scrap metal, such as, for example, "Yuzhmash". And there, in the reserve of investors, they understand that after the jokes with the energy bridge for the Crimea, everything can happen not in the way that they predict, but in any way they want and can in Russia.

Russia, after being declared an "aggressor," was forced to abandon many Ukrainian goods. And not so much by their own will, as by the decision of the government Square. And the Ukrainian industry is "stuck." There is a factory, there are workers, there is production experience. And there is no market.

The result was unemployment. The result was an increase in tariffs. The result was a drop in the living standards of a huge number of people.

In the military area for Kiev also nothing to boast. The loud statements about the "unconditional fulfillment of the Minsk Agreements by Ukraine" have already bored not only Europe, but also overseas politicians. No matter how hard the OSCE observers try to “ignore” the shelling of Donbass, it becomes more and more difficult. The western man in the street more and more often looks and listens to the other side. And in the media there are pictures of a completely different nature than Kiev would like.

The numerous victories of the Ukrainian warriors turn out to be punitive operations. Messages like “the separatists attacked, but were thrown back on 4-8 kilometers by our heroes” cause laughter. "Upcoming" in fact, it turns out, were sitting in their positions. And the stupidly organized attacks of the APU and the punishers, except for the next 200-x and 300-x, yielded nothing.

We wrote, and we thought that Kiev would take the Yugoslav way. It was logical and quite doable. Create a strong army and "crush" the Republicans with one powerful blow.

At first, many steps of the Ukrainian government talked about this. And then Poroshenko personally voiced this thought. But, "fulfillment of desires" in this matter was made purely "in Ukrainian." NATO will give us, the Americans will give, the whole world is with us. Dali. Let a little, but gave. Even modern weapons. So what? In the very first battles this weapon was lost. And then - get the trash, which is expensive to recycle. And you, and so will burn in any "boiler".

So we can say that we were not mistaken in our forecasts. They simply counted on a normal performance, not on a Ukrainian one. The result ... although you know, it's even better.

Their own, quite successful, weapons production was ruined in the bud. High-tech missiles, ships, planes, tanks no longer even speak. One "Azovtsa" is enough. But already fully mastered mortars and guns became an unbearable task. There is no steel, which means there are no trunks.

New Ukrainian mortars cause horror in calculations. No one knows the result of the next shot. Whether the mine "leaves" the target, or the target will be the calculation itself. Already several cases of mortar explosions in positions were.

Ok, production. Ukraine has “forgotten” how to even repair its own equipment. Those dumps that remained from Soviet times, have already been verified-rechecked. From the abandoned Soviet tanks of the time of Brezhnev, everything else could be used for repair.

But there is also the human factor. The fact that many instances of technology almost immediately after repair or overhaul again go into the category of "trash" or "pile of metal", this is the merit of the people. This is not about "hands from one place" it is about another. Commendable. The fact that overnight the hands of people, 10-15-20 years working with tanks, guns and mortars suddenly completely forgotten how to do it - definitely, the merit of the heads.

About Aviation and the navy did not write only lazy. Remember the parade in one of the Baltic countries, which became the subject of laughter for the whole world? Today, the Navy is exactly the same boat and boat. And coastal. Even if someone “presents” an old boat to the Ukrainian admirals, it is doubtful that Ukraine will be able to contain it.

Now back to talking about the new Maidan. Why, after all, are they actively disseminated by the Ukrainian media? After all, anyone who knows the situation even a little bit understands that the “chocolate” president is far from being “bloody”. And any performance quietly "put out the blood."

But the thing, as it seems to us, is that overseas owners decided to change the vector of European politics. Razdray in the EU and NATO is organized by them. The confrontation of Europe and Russia, too. The economy of the main competitors is undermined. In short, the mechanism is running. This means that the "Moor has done his job" and ... can calmly observe the development of events from the outside.

The terrorist attacks in European cities, the failed putsch in Turkey, the "cooling" by the "beloved wives" of the USA to Ukraine (Poland, the Baltic countries) are confirmed by this.

Poroshenko today "hung." Power? Yes, he is the president of the country. Yes, he is the commander in chief of the APU. Yes, he is "on the throne." But let's look at reality.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine today is not the force that can protect the power. The real force is punitive battalions. And they have repeatedly proved it. Not at the front, in the rear. Is there at least one case in the newest stories Ukraine, when the punisher was really punished? When did a court or tribunal pass a real conviction for war crimes to a punisher?

In any city of Ukraine, people with the chevrons of the punitive battalions quietly do whatever they want. With the connivance, and sometimes with the help, the local police. And to whom do the punishers submit?

It seems to me that today the active phase of the confrontation of the clans begins.

Pro-American in the person of the former Prime Minister Yatsenyuk (many did not understand why he is today next to the owners), Turchinov, Avakov and the Konstantinovsky brothers. And their competitors of the “local policy” in the person of Poroshenko and his “friends”, Saakashvili and other “Varyags”.

But there is a third group, which are in varying degrees of disagreement with Poroshenko, but have a real weight. Kolomoisky, Firtash, Akhmetov and other oligarchs. And the fourth in the person of Yulia Tymoshenko, who quietly sat for two years, but today is rapidly gaining political weight, thanks to her fellow member Savchenko.

In Ukraine, a real coup dawns. And the Maidan has absolutely nothing to do with it. Fighting will be "lords". "Holopam" is necessary to prepare "chuby". Even the scheme is already peeping.

In the near future, hostilities will be activated on the front. "In response to the separatist offensive ..." will often be heard in the Ukrainian media. The APU will launch active attacks on Donetsk. 200-e will become again commonplace in the Ukrainian cities and villages. The head of the NSDC Turchinov will require the president to declare martial law in the country.

Poroshenko will do it. Understanding that this way gives power to Turchinov, but he will. He simply has nowhere to retreat. Behind the wall. And no one who really wants to help. Neither the USA, nor NATO, nor Russia.

The combat-ready units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will "get stuck" in battles with Republicans and will not be able to influence the situation inside the country. But the territorial battalions subordinate to Avakov can. They, together with the police (also under the control of Avakov), will take control of all the cities of Ukraine.

And then just everything. The president either runs or refuses "voluntarily" from power. And that means, in the conditions of martial law, transfers the power of the National Security Council. And ... get it and sign it. The Bloody Pastor is back.

Agree, the script is rather gloomy. But for now this is only a script. But it is not written from scratch. Many factors speak of its implementation.

UkroSMI has already been launched "duck" on the impending military coup by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Stupid enough for people who understand, but quite "edible" for most Ukrainians. Turchinov repeatedly declares the need for martial law. According to some sources, the beginning of August is the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Odiozny, but the commander of Azov, with real power, Beletsky does not hide his desire to "bring order to the country."

“Today we have huge problems in the country and in the elementary concept of the state system. Our entire state system is very lame, it just does not work. Today, the internal Ukrainian landscape has been created that its (Sheremet) could be used by internal Ukrainian forces in its own interests.”

By the way, the murder of Sheremet fits perfectly into the scheme. Dump the next "hand of the Kremlin" is impossible. Too famous personality. Too professional journalist. Too "a supporter of the new Ukraine." But to show the journalists who is the boss in the country, and who needs to serve - completely. Who does not want to repeat the fate of Sheremet, will have to side with the new government. Information background must be provided.

And, of course, without Russia in this situation will not do. In ukroSMI unfolding campaign to "reveal the next plan of Putin." It is Putin who is allegedly preparing a new coup.

And what do we get in the end? And in the end it turns out a purely fascist state. Just other options for the preservation of Ukraine is left. Either decay or fascism and dictatorship. They fumbled, however ...
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  1. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 27 July 2016 06: 27
    +14
    "It's just that there are no other options for preserving Ukraine. Either disintegration, or fascism and dictatorship."

    And this is exactly the option of preserving whether the country will withstand another coup, will it, in fact, be bloody ..? request
    Let's see ...
    1. Andrey K
      Andrey K 27 July 2016 06: 59
      +11
      One more tradition must be observed:
      Peter I at one time one of the adherents of "Europe" - Mazepa, cast the order (from silver weighing 5 kg, which depicts Judas Iscariot, hanging on an aspen, below - 30 pieces of silver and the inscription: "Cursed son of the destructive Judas hedgehog for the love of money chokes" ) ...
      Another (regular) Maidan (s) is just around the corner ...
      These "non-brothers" will not go anywhere. Their new owners will use them and throw them out. They will crawl, in a figurative sense, but they will crawl. They will beat their chests, swear allegiance and pound on each other ...
      So maybe GDP ahead of time, for these "ukrorulevyh" similar "orders" to prepare ...
      To keep the tradition ...
      1. Sagittarius YaNAO
        Sagittarius YaNAO 27 July 2016 09: 10
        +4
        Quote: Andrey K

        So maybe GDP ahead of time, for these "ukrorulevyh" similar "orders" to prepare ...
        To keep the tradition ...

        Cast iron shackles on them, and let them be free.
        1. BARKAS
          BARKAS 27 July 2016 10: 26
          +16
          No, there is not a tradition, but just a part of the process that is happening in the world!
      2. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 27 July 2016 20: 43
        +1
        not only from silver, but from metal taken from the Chernobyl zone, and weighing pounds, and rivet the chain so that it could not be removed! good
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 July 2016 06: 35
    +12
    Fascism? I agree. Only fascism will also be - in Ukrainian. BLOODY, messy, godfather - goofy. In principle, NOT OBSERVANCE of any laws in dill will not give a "new order", IMHO, no chance. The only thing that can arise there is the Makhnovshchina. A dangerous, dashing, but short-lived education.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 27 July 2016 13: 48
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Only fascism will also be-in Ukrainian. BLOODY

      That's for sure. There is simply a huge number of people who want to pour blood over there. I think the Poles have influenced. They did not become Great Poland because of the mass, some kind of infernal sadism of the nobility, and from these blood was lashed ... and training went. Accustomed to innocent blood, soaked.
      It will be very bad. It will be bad at the border, and inside the country it will be necessary to take seriously care. What kind of Arabs are there ...
  3. avva2012
    avva2012 27 July 2016 06: 41
    +8
    And what do we get in the end? And in the end it turns out a purely fascist state. Just other options for the preservation of Ukraine is left. Either decay or fascism and dictatorship. They fumbled, however ...

    And what else is this misunderstanding?
    Solemn funeral of the SS: http://gazeta.ua/articles/regions/_na-lvivschini-z-pochestyami-perepoh
    ovali-ostanki-voyakiv-diviziyiyi-ss-galichina / 713134 In Lviv region, the remains of the soldiers of the SS division "Galichina"
    1. Lord_Bran
      Lord_Bran 27 July 2016 08: 57
      +3
      Let them have fun. While they can ...
      1. Alena Frolovna
        Alena Frolovna 27 July 2016 11: 31
        +3
        Not far off is the moment when the real Little Russia, the new Taras Bulba, will point and ask:
    2. dumpy15
      dumpy15 27 July 2016 14: 40
      +8
      “Ukraine is a territory of dignity and freedom, not one but two revolutions made us like that - our Maidan, which was a holiday of freedom, and the 2013 revolution, the revolution of dignity. Ukrainians have demonstrated their European character, dignity and their desire for freedom. ” P.A. Poroshenko

      Poem from the Hero City of Odessa (2014):

      Now euromaidan is proud of those who burn people alive ...
      We have Khatyn ... Not people, but animals, a blind tribe. But hatred will eat you one day.
      We have a point of no return. Ask your grandfathers about the war.
      Not glory to Ukraine, no guys !!! Shame on this furious country !!!
      1. Milana
        Milana 27 July 2016 17: 33
        +1
        Great comment, thanks !!!
  4. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 27 July 2016 06: 45
    +7
    It was not lucky for many normal people in Ukraine to go through the whole experiment, that the USA and Europe arranged it.
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 27 July 2016 09: 35
      +9
      Quote: Tatar 174
      Unlucky to many normal in Ukraine to survive this entire experiment,

      Unlucky is you put it mildly for many this is a tragedy.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 27 July 2016 13: 44
        +3
        This is not the first time I've watched this video, but every time with pleasure.
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  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 27 July 2016 06: 56
    +4
    But in the end it turns out a purely fascist state

    Which is obvious and will happen. It will be not only dangerous for Russia to have such a "neighbor" close by, but also costly. But the West will rejoice that at least somehow they have achieved their goal - they have strained Russia.
    1. Berkut752
      Berkut752 30 July 2016 12: 59
      +1
      Comrade, believe she will pass -
      AND DEMOCRACY
      AND PUBLICITY
      AND THEN THERE IS STATE SECURITY,
      REMEMBER YOUR NAMES.
  7. inkass_98
    inkass_98 27 July 2016 07: 25
    +4
    Gentlemen, comrades, do not tell me: the fascist dictatorship has already taken shape there, all the signs are there, only there have been no obvious pogroms yet, but this is still ahead, when the opinion of "Europa" and "all the worlds" will put a bolt with the device. The time has not yet come, some illusions remain.
    It remains only to choose the Fuhrer, who will just restore order in the form that he understands.
    But the Fuhrer is. I’ve talked about Biletsky for a long time, even when he was on the sidelines behind Yarosh. So watch the rise of the new Partigenigenoss and Reichsleiter Ukroreich.
    Turchinov is not a hindrance to him; everyone who stands in the way will be devoured and hung on poles, if he does not have the intelligence to bounce off the road.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 27 July 2016 09: 13
      +1
      Quote: inkass_98
      But the Fuhrer is. I’ve talked about Biletsky for a long time, even when he was on the sidelines behind Yarosh. So watch the rise of the new Partigenigenoss and Reichsleiter Ukroreich.
      Turchinov is not a hindrance to him; everyone who stands in the way will be devoured and hung on poles, if he does not have the intelligence to bounce off the road.

      ... And Yarosh went into the shade?
      That's a dog's scent! Feels that "on the eve of a grandiose nix"! ...
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 27 July 2016 18: 14
      +1
      Gentlemen, comrades, do not make me laugh: the fascist dictatorship has already developed quite well there,
      only it will not be able to exist for a long time — too many atamans. these are subordinate to one, those to the other. central power is not observed.
  8. then
    then 27 July 2016 07: 27
    +3
    It is certainly possible to introduce martial law, but what to do next. This is Minsk-2 end. Deneck and Lugansk are free from all obligations of the region. Russia has the right to recognize their independence. Then you will not fight against them. To officially declare war on Russia. Immediately, some regions in Ukraine will surrender to the winner. Here, NATO will not help. And the propaganda is a blizzard, will subside and it turns out that no one believed her.
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 27 July 2016 07: 33
    +1
    In ukroSMI campaign is unfolding to "reveal Putin's next plan." It is Putin who is allegedly preparing a new coup.... Who else .. "Darkest" ... smile I remember .. in the years of the 70s, a political party in the United States had the slogan: Blacks are to blame for unemployment, rising prices, the Vietnam War .. Ukrainians plagiarized .. well, most ... Putin is to blame .. for the leadership .. they can’t come up with anything of their own .. Everything about the patterns of others ...
  10. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 27 July 2016 07: 34
    +2
    Quote: Andrey K
    One more tradition must be observed:
    Peter I at one time one of the adherents of "Europe" - Mazepa,

    Odessa has already handed a copy to her, next to Turchinov.
  11. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 27 July 2016 07: 42
    +2
    Quote: Tartar 174
    It was not lucky for many normal people in Ukraine to go through the whole experiment, that the USA and Europe arranged it.

    With normal problems in Ukraine today, there were not many of them, but they beat how many. Most of them live according to the principle "my hut is on the edge" and "maybe you will carry it". It is difficult for them, but no other is given ...
  12. olegkrava
    olegkrava 27 July 2016 07: 48
    +1
    Quote: Observer 33
    "It's just that there are no other options for preserving Ukraine. Either disintegration, or fascism and dictatorship."

    And this is exactly the option of preserving whether the country will withstand another coup, will it, in fact, be bloody ..? request
    Let's see ...

    The article, srach, may be relevant, but Ukraine is sick of it.
    1. Aspirin
      Aspirin 27 July 2016 13: 41
      -1
      There is one. His problems are immeasurable, but all analysts are only puzzled by ukrami.
      Yes, do not care about them, every 100 years we are dirty and nothing, not sour.
      In general, I noticed, for some reason, the peoples who crap for us from century to century, the most fraternal after that. That Bulgarians, that Czechs, that Ukrainians.
  13. baudolino
    baudolino 27 July 2016 08: 12
    +3
    "Fascist state" will not work. 100% defaults after the coup will bury the Outskirts very quickly.
  14. Docent1984
    Docent1984 27 July 2016 08: 25
    +2
    I don’t understand in any way - why are these rags of different colors? Something like natural, with a blue top, and others with specifically blue. Maybe it was the guest workers who removed the signs of the Lenta hypermarkets and sent them in a parcel?
  15. Azzi
    Azzi 27 July 2016 08: 28
    0
    Moreover, they are closely watching the movements near Novorossiysk. And these movements may well transfer the Odessa PPZ to the same scrap metal warehouse, like, for example, Yuzhmash.


    What kind of movements?
    1. Erg
      Erg 27 July 2016 09: 08
      +2
      Ammonia. Soon Russia will have its own terminal. From here to the scrap yard.
      1. Azzi
        Azzi 27 July 2016 10: 58
        +2
        "Port Taman", "Tolyatazot". More likely near Temryuk than Novorossiysk. God bless him with geography, but the topic is old, they began even before the Ukrainian events, and commissioning there is not quick.
  16. Stena
    Stena 27 July 2016 08: 33
    +4
    Question to the authors - tell me, why will Poroshenko suddenly be removed? It is beneficial to the United States, agreed with Russia (otherwise no matter how gas and electricity would go). And suddenly - here you are - a coup! And who will pay for it? Who will cook? Who to implement? Besides the Wishlist, there must also be real preparations. And given the completely external control and at least two centers of power near the territory in question (Russia and Europe), which are not directly interested in a change of power, there will be no fascist coup ...
    1. Cat
      Cat 27 July 2016 08: 43
      +2
      Completely POROSHENKO agreed with Russia? I do not believe!
      With all the dislike for power, I do not believe.
      1. interceptor58
        interceptor58 27 July 2016 09: 59
        0
        The question is of course interesting, but look at the biography of Poroshenko 1985-86. Have questions about the experience.
  17. Egoza
    Egoza 27 July 2016 08: 40
    +2
    You know, it's not just about technology. Just remember how many winged expressions we have with the mention of animals ... brave like a lion, stubborn like a donkey, stupid like, shaking like a hare ... Every person has something of an animal. And it is very important that the animal does not gain the upper hand in a person. It is easy and simple to be an animal, and how nice it is ... to turn into a BEAST! And only the one who can tame the animal in himself remains a MAN. Here the Ukrainians have failed. Some have turned into a beast, some have become a quivering sheep. There are only HUMANITIES, and they act. Just do not expect specific examples to be, only hints as in the article. Sorry, but "addresses, passwords, attendance and work plan for the month" will be published much later, as a story.
    1. domokl
      domokl 27 July 2016 09: 27
      +3
      Elena, no one argues about the presence of these same people. Just as no one is arguing about the impossibility of an open struggle today.
      The question is different. The rope has already stopped "curling". It is coming to an end. And no one, especially from the "old maydauns" wants to be in the dock. But this will happen if they give up power.
      Poroshenko pathological coward. And that means it needs to be replaced by a Fuhrer like Beletsky or Yarosh. Only in this case, the razderban can be continued and escaped ala Yatsenyuk ...
  18. Erg
    Erg 27 July 2016 09: 16
    0
    The author, in my opinion, does not understand what is happening in the world, what mechanisms trigger the flywheel of events. What are the oligarchs? What are the upheavals? Rave. Any oligarch (and not only in Ukraine ...) with a stroke of the pen of the Fed will become a pauper. All punishers are funded. Hence, it is necessary to discuss the question - who will pay for what performance. Although, you can directly ask Uncle Sam wassat
    1. domokl
      domokl 27 July 2016 14: 35
      +2
      laughing Have you tried reading the article? try ... there are interesting places ...
      1. Erg
        Erg 27 July 2016 22: 55
        0
        I don't like abstraction. Even on the part of such respected colleagues ... "As it seems to me, an active phase of clan confrontation begins today.

        Pro-American in the person of the former prime minister Yatsenyuk (many did not understand why he is now next to the owners), Turchinov, Avakov and the Konstantinovsky brothers. And their competitors "local poshiba" in the person of Poroshenko and his "friends", Saakashvili and other "Varangians" ...... Is the author on friendly terms? I will not even chew on the essence of the events and my considerations. I don’t need this for you. hi
  19. Arkan
    Arkan 27 July 2016 09: 17
    +2
    When the bloody mess begins in Ukraine, we must close our border and not accept the Hatoskraites. Let them defend their right to life themselves, gallop, screaming about a guy, let him try.
  20. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 27 July 2016 09: 38
    0
    Sooner or later, the residents of the outskirts will realize that they were bred, like suckers and specifically thrown. Who, how and why in detail and in detail should understand every ukrozombi.
    After that, one road is to unite with your Russian brothers and arrange such a "goat face" for the west and matrastan, so that those 100500 times regretted that they climbed into the patrimony of the Russians.
    The punishment must be cruel and inevitable, so that Western ghouls still 200 years to discourage the desire to look askance at Russia.
  21. black
    black 27 July 2016 10: 07
    +8
    The author makes the same mistake as many Ukrainians. They believe that they are the same as the Russians. And the author, virtually trying on the situation for himself, considers it possible yet another coup in Ukraine. This I certainly exaggerate lol , ironically over the author, according to Jung almost. In my practical opinion, the average 404 resident is like a sack of potatoes. Wherever you kick, it will fall there. And comrades on the forum are rightly asking: "Who will pay for this banquet (Maidan)?" And nobody. The slow collapse of the country is a more realistic scenario. Separatist movements of national diasporas, economic collapse and complete political confusion. The Ukrainian army must be fed. At least once a day. Kolomoisky and Yatsenyuk prefer to watch NBA matches live and do not bother themselves with some kind of Ukraine.
  22. Machete
    Machete 27 July 2016 10: 21
    +2
    Quote: rotmistr60
    But in the end it turns out a purely fascist state

    Which is obvious and will happen. It will be not only dangerous for Russia to have such a "neighbor" close by, but also costly. But the West will rejoice that at least somehow they have achieved their goal - they have strained Russia.

    Tightened - for sure.
    But Europe is still tense ahead and she will be abruptly ours. We have strains outside our borders, but already inside.
    How long will they rejoice?
  23. atos_kin
    atos_kin 27 July 2016 11: 32
    +2
    Gradually, PoProshenko will turn into PoTroshenko along with the under-state.
  24. Koresh
    Koresh 27 July 2016 12: 21
    +2
    Forecasts regarding Ukraine are always gloomy, and quite real. Everyone is waiting for the same payments for utility bills, but now daily TV reports say that there is no ceasefire, there are active fighting, there are losses and other horrors of modern Donbass. People are preparing for martial law, and full-scale battles. Because there is no way to justify or stop the autumn aggravation of the people that will come with new housing and communal services tariffs. Savchenko, Biletsky, Saakashvili say they are ready to take power into their own hands, they are striving for the cherished feeding trough in the form of prime minister and president chairs. People are on the brink, and someone will definitely take advantage of this.
    1. domokl
      domokl 27 July 2016 14: 39
      +2
      Quote: Koresh
      People are preparing for martial law, and full-scale battles

      I do not agree with the preparation for battle. If you look at the map, it is quite noticeable that in the event of a mess with Russia, Kiev will lie down in hours. Only about 300 km and Ukraine has no combat-ready units on the way to the capital.
      So, it is rather the Russians who provoke the invasion. According to the principle, start a war and immediately surrender
      1. Gabor
        Gabor 27 July 2016 15: 22
        -4
        Quote: domokl
        it is quite noticeable that in the event of a mess with Russia, Kiev will lie down in hours. Only about 300 km and Ukraine has no combat-ready units on the way to the capital.
        Well, yes - "If only we would have given them, if they had caught up with us!" If the Kremlin could, it did so.
        But in fact, they couldn’t take Mariupol earlier - the overseas uncles warned that they would turn off the SWIFT cribs of Kremlyov. What caused the hysterical reaction of Medvedev ..
        Quote: domokl
        So, it is likely that they provoke the invasion of the Russians
        Yes, the current situation is most beneficial for Kiev - the Donbass was hanged in Russia .. Why did he surrender to Ukraine ..
        1. Koresh
          Koresh 27 July 2016 17: 38
          +2
          [/ quote] Yes, the current situation is most beneficial for Kiev - the Donbass was hanged in Russia .. Why did he surrender to Ukraine .. [/ quote]
          Well, then why should Kiev Volyn and Lviv let Poland take it too? Or Transcarpathia to Romania?
      2. Koresh
        Koresh 27 July 2016 17: 36
        0
        Under full-scale battles, I would enter the hot phase (well, very hot) of the conflict in which there will be a large-scale offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donetsk and Lugansk, and taking the border under control. The operation will certainly be a failure, there will be no serious advantage and there will not be any, there will be losses and a retreat with the surrender of Mariupol and Happiness (there has been talk about their possible surrender for a long time). Then the defeat and martial law, and the dispersal of unrest in the country and the elimination of competitors will be justified.
        1. Gabor
          Gabor 27 July 2016 20: 44
          -2
          Quote: Koresh
          Well, then why should Kiev Volyn and Lviv let Poland take it too?
          Psheki still remember the "Volyn massacre", so bardzo dziękuję Panove ..
          Quote: Koresh
          Or Transcarpathia to Romania?
          Gypsies ?!laughing I wonder who is cooler on the contrary - they or bersaliers ..
          Quote: Koresh
          I had entered the hot phase (well, very hot) of the conflict in which there will be a large-scale offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donetsk and Lugansk, and taking the border under control
          It has long dawned on the authorities that they don’t need Donetsk and Lugansk in their current state. And it is necessary as a significant burden for the not bottomless budget of the Russian Federation.
          The Russian government approved the proposal of the Ministry of Finance to freeze federal budget expenditures in nominal terms for 3 years at the level of about 16 trillion rubles a year and sharply cut funding for most government programs. "Vedomosti" wrote about this on Wednesday with reference to the documents of the Ministry of Finance.
          The Ministry of Finance proposes to reduce costs by 36 out of 42 state programs, including on social support for citizens, affordable housing, health care, education and agriculture.
          The maximum reduction in funding awaits the state program for the development of physical education and sports. The financing of the socio-economic development of Crimea is more than halved. The closed part of state programs, which includes defense spending, is proposed to be reduced by 15 percent in three years.
          As the federal official explained to the publication, this is the level of expenses that you can afford. If the ministry’s proposals are accepted, taking into account inflation, federal budget expenditures in real terms will decrease by about 20 percent in three years.
  25. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 27 July 2016 12: 35
    +1
    Anyone who has lived in Ukraine does not laugh at the circus.
    .. The Minister of Finance of Ukraine Alexander Danilyuk said that his country should not return to Russia 3 billion dollars received under Viktor Yanukovych. According to 112 Ukraine, the politician is sure that the debt is a “political loan”, which Ukraine was forced to take.

    Original news InoTV:
    https: //russian.rt.ts/inotv/2016-07-27/Minfin-Uk
  26. gla172
    gla172 27 July 2016 12: 49
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    A bit of history ....

    ".... The seizure of the Kiev throne did not do without financial weapons, and after the successful implementation of the coup d'état, the second social weapon, the cult of Dionysius, is also launched! But on purely Slavic lands, not everything goes as smoothly as it happened in the provinces of Western Europe after the overthrow of the ruling dynasty of the Rus-Merovingians there. On purely Slavic lands there was never slavery, and the ancient Vedic traditions were fixed at the level of genetic memory. Therefore, the religion of slaves was not perceived by the bulk of the population of Kievan Rus. And ... blood poured in rivers, and in In the direct and figurative sense of the word, turning to the "light" of the new religion cost the population of Kievan Rus nine million out of twelve of the population! And even this did not lead to the desired results ..... "
  27. AlexSam
    AlexSam 27 July 2016 14: 45
    +1
    or maybe it’s for the best ... even if these horses get rid of shit full of spoons ... maybe then it will come to them who and what they jumped on and at least do something to save their stomachs and asses ... but no - forgive me true patriots and unsurprising commanders, probably you should still take something there about divided peoples, recognize LDNR and start hanging fascist geeks on pillars ... Nuremberg, in the end, no one canceled, fascism can only be dead , without any exceptions there such as tolerance, humanism, democracy and other pederasty ...
    By the way, after the adoption of the law on divided people and labuses, they will take their asses, otherwise they would completely get rid of them, sleep and see how they could drive the Russian speakers on the reservation ...
  28. siberalt
    siberalt 27 July 2016 15: 19
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    Good article, good language. Respect to the author!
  29. Lord blacwood
    Lord blacwood 27 July 2016 15: 29
    +1
    Yes, Poroshenko will most likely be "suspended" from his treacherous duties. He is hated by all of Ukraine, since he did not fulfill any of his promises. Did not solve the conflict in Donbass, did not solve economic problems, and did not fulfill the main Ukrainian dream: Ukraine's accession to the EU.
    Now for Ukraine there are two options:
    or another coup
    or the collapse of Ukraine.
  30. Volksib
    Volksib 27 July 2016 15: 59
    +1
    Now time is working against the ukrovermacht and their masters. Russia will not allow a military defeat of the Donbass. And in the rest of the territory called Nezalezhnaya, processes are going on as usual. A smoldering fire, sometimes flashing, sometimes extinguishing. "choice. Russia is in full swing and quite successfully replaces Ukrainian suppliers, reduces transit, etc., etc. What this means, which means that these territories are written off and doomed to long-term self-determination. To all the other" brothers "in the CIS this is a very clear example of how to play into European integration and independence from the "Moskalyaki". The industrialized Russian-speaking Donbass historically and economically gravitates towards Rossii.Rossiya can wait, and Maidan horses can jump how much longer ...... ???
  31. certero
    certero 27 July 2016 16: 57
    0
    Quote: Erg
    Rave. Any oligarch (and not only in Ukraine ...) with a stroke of the pen of the Fed will become a beggar.

    Would you expand the thought, like this - "with one stroke of the Fed's pen ..." And it is not clear what you mean?
    The West in Ukraine played better than Russia, this, alas, is a fact. But here is how to get out of this situation, it is necessary to decide, since it is very disadvantageous for Russia to have such a hostile state on the border.
  32. Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 27 July 2016 17: 07
    +3
    Yes, everyone is tired of all this, in Zaporozhye, the Dnieper they are already beating for mov
  33. cute
    cute 27 July 2016 18: 52
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    Until the presidential elections are held in the United States and a new president comes into power, nothing will happen in Ukraine. Not the Ukrainians and not even their motley "elite" in this country are now masters. But then ... anything can be. If Trump comes to power, Ukraine can be left to itself, or, more likely, divided into "zones of responsibility" between Poland, Germany, Hungary and Romania (maybe someone else will be involved in this case) - the United States will absolve itself of any responsibility ...
  34. andrew42
    andrew42 27 July 2016 20: 37
    +1
    "Either disintegration, or fascism and dictatorship. We jumped, however ..." Strange formulation of the conclusion for a good article. There is already a decay - these are the DPR and LPR, which will never return to urkaina (after the rivers of blood have been shed) - here, as they say, "Freedom or death". There is “fascism” in a slightly veiled form. More precisely, not fascism, which has been rinsed as a far-fetched term (Mussolini is spitting saliva in the next world with indignation). Nazism on Urkain, Nazism. A herd duped by hatred of "mos-kal-lam" under the direction of gesheftmakers of average order and low level of admission / dedication. The difference from the 3rd Reich is only in the absence of the Fuhrer. Instead, a conglomerate of evil clowns. So all this already IS - both decay and Nazism. Further Nazism will only be exposed. Will the Bloody Pastor be drawn to the role of Fuhrer? “I don’t think so. The main thing is that neither he nor the applicant has time to put together a really capable Nazi "team". It took almost 10 years in Germany, before the Night of the Long Knives. And most importantly, there are not enough sponsors in comparison with the same Reich. Overseas partners are not ready to pour in tons of loot. The dill themselves are not mobilized. these are not "Germans building in columns", here everyone strives to clean out a neighbor's garden at night, close in a hut, and quietly hit the bacon. There will be an agony of Nazism devouring itself, a long, bloody agony with all the consequences for the population of the former "granary of the Union".
  35. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 27 July 2016 20: 49
    0
    Well, again, the namesake was taken to the analyst, here his article today was "The second wind of" Black Knives ", it is very expensive to read, cool, you will not say anything, but here again, by and large, fortune telling on" coffee grounds ", because we see that that we see and hear what we hear, that is, the tip of the iceberg, what is hidden further there, only God knows and I very much doubt that our authors HERE have free entrance.
  36. win
    win 28 July 2016 15: 43
    +2
    But in the end it turns out a purely fascist state

    Everyone is disguised ...
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 28 July 2016 17: 45
      0
      Everyone is disguised ...
      For example, if you appear in a mask on the street in the states, then the first policeman who gets you will shoot you. Unlike Ukraine, where the balaclava is an attribute of immunity.
  37. Orionvit
    Orionvit 28 July 2016 17: 41
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    Quote: Lord_Bran
    Let them have fun. While they can ...
    It is clear that Ukraine is in agony and they can have fun so far, but this makes Ukraine no easier.