Tales of Ankara: "Turkish pilots themselves decided - to shoot down or not to shoot down a plane ..."

After a failed coup d'état attempt, according to some media outlets, the Turkish authorities are making, to put it mildly, ever more unexpected statements, not without Russia's help. For example, Deputy Prime Minister of Turkey Mehmet Simshek, who today said that the meeting of the Russian and Turkish presidents will be held on August 9 in St. Petersburg, announced that the highest authorities of Turkey were not involved in the ruling on the Russian Su-24 air strike.

RIA News publishes a statement by a Turkish official, according to the logic of which, Turkish pilots allegedly had the opportunity to strike a plane of a foreign state without an order from above:

The reason for the change of response rules was that Syrian planes shot down Turkish planes. According to these modified rules, the decision about whether or not to shoot down an aircraft fell to the level of the pilots, and they made the decision.

This statement was made by Shimshek after the visit of the Turkish government delegation to Russia.

From the statement of Shimshek, apparently, it should follow that Turkish pilots allegedly had previously received an order to make independent decisions about attacking aircraft that "fly into Turkish airspace from Syria." But, firstly, the Russian Defense Ministry previously argued that the Russian plane did not leave the Syrian airspace, and secondly, Ahmet Davutoglu, then the Prime Minister of Turkey, announced in front of the cameras that he gave the order to the Turkish pilots.

In general, all these statements are reminiscent of an attempt to shield the higher authorities of Turkey in the situation with the downed Su-24 of the Russian Federation Air Force and transfer the blame on the Turkish Air Force troops. No wonder they have now been accused of being directly involved in a coup attempt.

Comments

[Vladimirets]

"The Turkish pilots themselves made the decision - to shoot down or not to shoot down the plane ..."

Moreover, the plane itself made this decision.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: papas-57

And here they say that they themselves decided

- The topic is simple: FRIENDSHIP! Both the Turks and our enemies are almost common and in many respects the goals coincide. With forces just getting ready, get up on our feet. So picking is too big a luxury for us, so we’ll be more modest and pretend to believe, and the Turks will pretend to believe that we believed. Here is the situation here ...

[cniza]

Quote: Vladimirets

"The Turkish pilots themselves made the decision - to shoot down or not to shoot down the plane ..."

Moreover, the plane itself made this decision.

Well, so low assess the intelligence of Russia ... ay Erdogan does not need so rude, come up with something more gentle.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: cniza

Erdogan is not necessary so rudely, come up with something more gentle.

It would be logical for them to blame the arrested commander of the Incirlik base, General Bekir Ercan Wang, if they were serious about restoring relations. It is clear that this is also sewn with white thread, but at least more believable.

[Reserve officer]

"The Turkish pilots themselves made the decision - to shoot down or not to shoot down the plane ..."

Well then! A kind of free hunters, they decide which plane and which country to shoot down.
And is this the president with the ambitions of the Sultan? Rather, the kindergarten mentality is to hide under the table. And blame the other.
Cheap, she is cheap ...

[fact-checker]

Quote: cniza

Well, so low assess the intelligence of Russia ... ay Erdogan does not need so rude, come up with something more gentle.

Well, let's evaluate the intelligence of Russia together.
To normalize relations, fifty times from all the stands the following was said:

Condition One: Apologies.
Condition Two: Compensation.

- "Apologies" of any kind were brought.
- There was no compensation.

1. Russia once again exposed itself as a laughing stock.
2. No one is trying not to remember this.

[Erg]

The text "apology" to the studio. Maybe he is, I want to see ...

[Lukich]

Quote: fact checker

Well, let's evaluate the intelligence of Russia together.

we will not be with you. for example, respect for Russia in the world of intelligence is separate ... does not count. I'm talking about Abama, Merkel, and their horn psaki

Quote: fact checker

Condition One: Apologies.
Condition Two: Compensation.

and all this GDP was to tell you personally? \

Quote: fact checker

1. Russia once again exposed itself as a laughing stock.

in front of you?

Quote: fact checker

2. No one is trying not to remember this.

remembered. Now, after the coup, the Turks are our "fifth column" in NATO

[WKS]

If the decision to shoot down was made in advance, then the pilots complied with the order from above. If there was no such order, then in those few seconds (even assuming that the plane flew to Turkey) that the plane was in the Turkish sky, it is not possible to contact the prime minister and get the order. In this case, the pilots themselves decided this. Now I read the info that a new investigation of this incident is opening in Turkey, maybe it makes sense to include Russian experts in the commission?

[alexmach]

If the decision to shoot down was made in advance

Well, what if, if there is evidence that the aircraft was pointing from the ground, that they circled there in ambush, waiting for our plane.

[33 Watcher]

Quote: cniza

Quote: Vladimirets

"The Turkish pilots themselves made the decision - to shoot down or not to shoot down the plane ..."

Moreover, the plane itself made this decision.

Well, so low assess the intelligence of Russia ... ay Erdogan does not need so rude, come up with something more gentle.

The laws of politics say that you need to pretend that they believed, and then we'll see ...

[Lukich]

Quote: cniza

ay Erdogan is not so rude, come up with something more gentle.

he has no time. not all shot yet

[NIKNN]

Give us the pilot, we asked how he made the decision, so no, he also participated in the coup ... they will shoot him, but they will not give me back, the trend is that you want proof and are shot.

[vlad_vlad]

Quote: oldseaman1957

Quote: papas-57

And here they say that they themselves decided

- The topic is simple: FRIENDSHIP! Both the Turks and our enemies are almost common and in many respects the goals coincide. With forces just getting ready, get up on our feet. So picking is too big a luxury for us, so we’ll be more modest and pretend to believe, and the Turks will pretend to believe that we believed. Here is the situation here ...

it’s dreary somehow. such friends - for x .. and to the museum.
because it’s better to rely on your strengths and sincere friends, rather than feed yourself with false hope. These will betray at the most important moment.

[Lukich]

Quote: vlad_vlad

it’s dreary somehow. such friends - for x .. and to the museum.

[nachprod92]

I can’t plus it yet there are no 10 comments, therefore I plus so after 100 front-line. I don’t know why, they demolished VO twice, but I’m stubborn

[Volodin Dmitry]

Support!

[72jora72]

- The topic is simple: FRIENDSHIP! Both the Turks and our enemies are almost common and in many respects the goals coincide. With forces just getting ready, get up on our feet.

God forbid from such friends ........

[Lord_Bran]

Logical.
But money ahead.

[Monos]

Quote: papas-57

Do not pi.det!

They want to reproduce the famous "painting" of the notorious "artist" "Black Square"

[Khariton]

It’s muddy, like everyone else ... Well, oh well! What Erdogan will come with will see ...
I think more provocations will be serious by this time!
I smell genes .. men

[Teberii]

He asked for the carpet himself, let him ride, he knows whose boots are closer.

[marl]

Quote: Teberii

He asked for the carpet himself, let him ride, he knows whose boots are closer.

Let him ride. It is in our interests to keep the Sultan ... under control, than will wander westward.
Again, our partners Western are nervous.

[figwam]

The first 2 SU-24M2 aircraft were transferred to the Syrian side from the Russian Air Force, and another 8 aircraft will be transferred shortly. Now the Syrians will be able to conduct accurate airstrikes themselves, with free-falling bombs, without dropping below 5km.

[Asadullah]

Muddy, then like everyone else ...

Who cares. The statement, calculated more on the internal audience, supposedly framed Erdogan. For Russia it’s not good that everyone understands. The question is different, Ahmet on every corner shouted that he personally gave the order to attack the violators, then he abruptly resigned as a result of disagreements with Erdogan. What were the differences? Downed plane? Or did Ahmet prepare himself for president after the subsequent coup?

The fact is, Erdogan cannot rely on anyone. Neither the United States, as the organizer of all this canoe, nor the Saudis, who betrayed at the most crucial moment, nor their neighbors in Islam, for he managed to spoil relations with everyone and, most importantly, with Egypt, nor his inner circle. Remains its own people, part of the rural population and the middle class and the Russian Federation, which can bring an element of balance to the Turkish centrifuge. And Erdogan, urgently to get closer to Egypt, conclude a truce with the Kurds, move in energy with Iran, stop playing with ISIS. With all this, it is still necessary to make funny faces to the "partners" in NATO, otherwise they will kill you. They will kill stupidly and not professionally .... and without consequences for themselves.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Asadullah

otherwise they’ll kill. They will kill stupidly and not professionally .... and without consequences for themselves.

You are right, in general the evolution of such political elimination is interesting. A long time ago a political rival was killed, everyone knew who and why. Then they began to stir up multi-way super-super-secret operations, by the wrong hands, under a false flag and in general by "internal" forces. Now they killed the leader, everyone knows who is behind what and how it was done and ... at best, well, we were wrong, it happens.

[seti]

Who do they consider us to be? Such decisions are simply not taken.
Anyway, it was just funny if it weren’t so sad. The plane of the Turkish Air Force was clearly in ambush and had contact with the dispatcher. All of this was clearly planned. As well as the fact that they chose the outdated Su-24 instead of Su-34 for the attack. But nothing. We are not vindictive but we owe Peshkov.

[Khariton]

Quote: seti

Who do they consider us to be? Such decisions are simply not taken.
Anyway, it was just funny if it weren’t so sad. The plane of the Turkish Air Force was clearly in ambush and had contact with the dispatcher. All of this was clearly planned. As well as the fact that they chose the outdated Su-24 instead of Su-34 for the attack. But nothing. We are not vindictive but we owe Peshkov.

It is not known what and how it was ... If there was such a serious coup in Turkey, and who was behind it? They wanted to provoke a war with Russia, I think it was not profitable for Erdogan, they simply kicked him on the setup .. Who? This is interesting and I doubt very much that only the United States participated in this monstrous provocation .. To whom is all this massacre profitable in this region (those are very dangerous and cunning)?

[nachprod92]

I follow the comments of HARITON, for two weeks I got out of the skulls in majors on the minuses, Respect :) :)

[nachprod92]

Sorry what's wrong, seven more comments before voting

[Drzed]

and now again, but in Russian

[Vend]

Quote: Vladimirets

"The Turkish pilots themselves made the decision - to shoot down or not to shoot down the plane ..."

Moreover, the plane itself made this decision.

Yeah, they took off too

[zennon]

Quote: Wend

Yeah, they took off too

And they knocked up a flight mission on their knees. And their sidekick with air defense on their own initiative brought them to our bomber. And they also said that the pilots had no idea whose plane they were attacking. Yes, all NATO pilots know by heart the silhouettes of our cars! Especially since Su -24M is very specific. One CIS is worth it!

[siberalt]

And who is chichmek - shishmek? Only the Americans knew the schedule of our VKS. The command to destroy the aircraft could only give Erdogan.

[nadezhiva]

Quote: siberalt

And who is chichmek - shishmek? Only the Americans knew the schedule of our VKS. The command to destroy the aircraft could only give Erdogan.

Hardly. By time inconsistency. Rather, a team from the base. Yankees taxied. They have flight plans, and dastardly nature.

[svp67]

Quote: Vladimirets

Moreover, the plane itself made this decision

And the operators, and not the only one, as they felt that it was at this moment that it was necessary to be in this very place.
I have only one question, why did Erdogan not feel in time that the coup would begin, everyone was waiting for a warning from Moscow ...

[sined0707]

"The Turkish pilots themselves made the decision - to shoot down or not to shoot down the plane ..."

It's time for drop dead stories

[Anchonsha]

Exactly so, and a crowd of journalists with "Gray Wolves" accidentally ended up there to shoot the pilots of the downed plane

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Anchonsha

a crowd of journalists with "Gray Wolves" accidentally ended up there to shoot the pilots of the downed plane

They were just going to take pictures of how peach harvests were being harvested.

[Bronik]

After landing, the pilots would be taken to the wall for arbitrariness. And, by the way, they would have done the right thing ...

[alex13-61]

Quote: Vladimirets

"The Turkish pilots themselves made the decision - to shoot down or not to shoot down the plane ..."

... And this decision was made immediately after participating in a failed coup

[GSH-18]

[quote = Vladimir]"The Turkish pilots themselves made the decision - to shoot down or not to shoot down the plane ..."

Moreover, the plane itself made this decision. [/ Quote]
[quote = Vladimir]"The Turkish pilots themselves made the decision - to shoot down or not to shoot down the plane ..."

On the radio from Fashington

[sandrmur76]

What a tricky ass.

[Lukich]

Quote: Vladimirets

Moreover, the plane itself made this decision.

Yes, everything was left to chance there. wanted to take off. the rocket started, shot down. such an army. and a question to NATA, what next to expect from your MEMBERS? from where and where will fly what unfolds at our borders? there will be no answer. well, or in the psaki style. There is an answer, but we must go to the office

[will give]

Turkish partners are trying to hang noodles for us.

[alfa19638]

Trusting enemies means killing your people!

[Khariton]

Quote: alfa19638

Trusting enemies means killing your people!

Enemies need to be kept closer ... Let them talk!

[Sheff333]

All news sites began to print this "news" several times and only here they remembered how the former Prime Minister of Turkey kicked himself in the chest. I even remember what a standing ovation he got. One gets the impression that the Russian media wants to make the Russian people believe in this nonsense.

[Khariton]

Quote: Sheff333

All news sites began to print this "news" several times and only here they remembered how the former Prime Minister of Turkey kicked himself in the chest. I even remember what a standing ovation he got. One gets the impression that the Russian media wants to make the Russian people believe in this nonsense.

We need to push the United States and in this while Erdogan we are now an ally! Turkey is a NATO member and a strong army in this alliance! And economically, a serious state .. He nevertheless apologized, but his ear must be kept open ... We can’t fight with NATO now. I think so, you need to look for pain points in the west and crush them by any means!

[Belarus]

Erdogan never was and never will be an ally of the Russian Federation. First of all he cares only about your person.
Erdogan will not have enough strength to help push the United States. At worst, the Americans will arrange in Turkey the same thing as in Syria with the help of at least the Kurds or the FSA.
In fact, Russia should rely only on its own strengths and capabilities, and only then can we not expect a blow from the back.

[weksha50]

""Turkish pilots themselves decided - to shoot down or not to shoot down a plane ... "" ...

I would like to see a pilot of ANY country, having shot down an airplane also of any ALIEN country in which they are not at war, on my own ...

Most likely - not the pilot himself, but the consequences ...

PS It somehow sounds solid at such a level ... In kindergarten, children are even smarter and more cunning ...

[Rostislav]

Erdogan went to bow and apologized. We could no longer lose the "face of the face", with childish babble, transferring the arrows to the pilot.
Not only are vile, but also cowardly jackals.
Disgusting.

[iliitchitch]

Do not turn your BACK! There are "friends" here, the clip in the Mauser won't be enough soon. All 12 are in business.
Or not 12? I don’t remember, but Vika is reluctant to shag.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Quote: iliitch

Do not turn your BACK! There are "friends" here, the clip in the Mauser won't be enough soon.

Here's another, translate bullets into them. We have a lot of aspens, enough for all Jude Erdoganovichs ..

[vfqjh]

Tryndyat, but this once again proves their weakness. A strong person is always responsible for his actions and words.

[Mountain shooter]

Lying and cowardly dogs. Although I love these animals, a dog in Islam is an unclean animal (it will not get bitten by a dog into paradise). So - let there be dogs.

[Andrew]

"Syrian planes shot down Turkish planes" - when was that? Or am I inattentively watching the news?

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Andrew

"Syrian planes shot down Turkish planes" - when was that?

22.06.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX Syrian air defense shot down the Turkish Phantom, more, like, there was nothing.

[Sars]

Quote: Vladimirets

22.06.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX Syrian air defense shot down the Turkish Phantom, more, like, there was nothing

There was information that our shell crashed with our phantom as a phantom.

[Berkut24]

But this is not at all interesting to us. The list of requirements is announced. Follow up. Better silently.

[Nick888]

Actually it was like this:
The plane peacefully patrolled the air border, but on one of the aircraft's missiles a riot was raised by devices with the callsigns "Kre Pej" and the brothers "Explosion a Tel" and "Move a Tel". Seeing the "wrong" aircraft, disregarding the border and ownership of the ship, the rocket unhooked and treacherously flew to the plane. Approaching the plane, a rocket, with calls from some Alla to a bar, committed a terrorist act against the plane by blowing up a suicide bomber.

[Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich]

Throughout their history they live like cowardly jackals. Barked from the bushes and run away. You can’t believe them.

[individual]

Lord!
Save Russia from Erdogan's "friend".
Yes, he is worse than sworn enemies.

[magician]

and where do they learn to find the extreme? our trail is visible, tourists from Russia are to blame for everything! The next pearl of Erdogan?

[Banishing liberoids]

The crew was shooting at the crows, and then a Russian combat aircraft suddenly appeared on the line of fire, and the pilots shot it by mistake, that’s how they had to lie to Erdogada or their prime minister.

[GSH-18]

We frowned slightly and that's enough, it's time to chop cabbage!

And in your opinion, what should we do after their apologies and clumsy attempts to justify themselves (which in itself is a guilty plea) ??? Gauge and start calibrating the 3rd world? Turn on your head!
Our military pilots are also MILITARY that they are always ready to give their lives for the Motherland and for the future of its people.
The enemy pleaded guilty, apologized, and was ready to make further efforts to correct his aggressive actions. In your opinion, should we portray a woman who has been offended forever and thereby do not give a damn about the lives of our servicemen given in the name of peace and prosperity to our country and people ?? What a very stupid approach. Not everything is decided by military operations, especially in our nuclear world.

[Erg]

Putin: The missile launchers of our strategic forces themselves decide whether to mock Turkey for Peshkov or not.

[kolexxx]

Amers and their vassals the West has something to think about ...
Judging by what is happening, Turkey is rebuilding to move in the wake of Russia ..
And this is 70 lemons of the population ... The country of the Muslim world ...
Iran is rebuilding in this direction ...
In this situation, the West and Ukraine may be on the sidelines ...

[SCHWERIN]

I already wrote that the rebellion was real. Erdogan’s opponents used the incident with Su to quarrel Turkey with Russia. Moreover, the flyers were in the ranks of the rebels and the commander of the Turkish Air Force led the rebellion. Erdogan was informed of the destruction of Su.
But to recognize worldwide that, bypassing it, the army put the country on the brink of war, he could not. It turns out that the PM and the generals are higher than the president. Which of the sane would allow this. Maybe only Gorbachev, when he turned on the fool with the Lithuanian television center, abandoning his own aircraft .. I do not want to go into details. Then came the consequences ....

[Radical]

Quote: oldseaman1957

Quote: papas-57

And here they say that they themselves decided

- The topic is simple: FRIENDSHIP! Both the Turks and our enemies are almost common and in many respects the goals coincide. With forces just getting ready, get up on our feet. So picking is too big a luxury for us, so we’ll be more modest and pretend to believe, and the Turks will pretend to believe that we believed. Here is the situation here ...

And the relatives of our downed pilot also offer to pretend?

[Radical]

Well, yes, they were silent for almost a year, and suddenly: "Oh, guys, we have a piano in the bushes - our pilot (in the sense of Turkish) is his own director, actor-performer, and an entertainer in one bottle, took it and pressed the button, and we neither sleep nor spirit, our literary council did not even approve this performance! In general, creatures! Both those and these.

[voliador]

The reason for the change of response rules was that Syrian planes shot down Turkish planes. According to these modified rules, the decision about whether or not to shoot down an aircraft fell to the level of the pilots, and they made the decision.

Complete nonsense. This is only possible during the war. The Turks could not know that this is our drying.
Well, after that, we should have leveled the take-off airfield of this fighter to the ground. As a lesson for the future.

[iz odessy]

how everything was real from the Turkish side, no more than a dozen people know, and the imagination of some just goes off scale. The bottom line is that "the apology is accepted", as well as the probable compensation, and this is correct, in a state way. Regarding the pilots, anyone who served more he flew in the USSR air defense will not doubt the team with the central control center to destroy the target

[aleksandrs95]

history is sewn with white thread, I hope that the higher authorities will make a good gesheft on the Turkish stream, otherwise the game is not worth the candle and reputation. National interests are above all in all this dirty international situation. Nobody will believe, of course, there will be contracts and contracts. And I would not advise tourists to peck for free, it ends badly.

[zoomIZH]

Quote: oldseaman1957

- The topic is simple: FRIENDSHIP! Both the Turks and our enemies are almost common and in many respects the goals coincide. With forces just getting ready, get up on our feet. So picking is too big a luxury for us, so we’ll be more modest and pretend to believe, and the Turks will pretend to believe that we believed. Here is the situation here ...

This happened in 1939-1941, the alignment is not very successful ...

[iouris]

And it’s easy to deceive me: I’m glad to deceive myself ...
So said the poet. There is nothing to add.

[Nasty]

Of course, I understand politics and all that ... But how dreary everything looks against the background of these statements about tomatoes and so on. We rush into the arms of Erdgogan, we lift the embargo as soon as possible, they talk about the flow ... On the other hand, here is the EU-rested, losses and all that, but it’s not shifted from the standpoint. As you put yourself, so they will relate to you. Russia already THERE has put itself in a pose when everyone passing does not apply kick in the ass. I am ashamed...

[Wolka]

It’s not entirely clear to me that the Russian authorities are flirting with the Erdogan regime

[Xmyp]

Quote: seti

Who do they consider us to be? Such decisions are simply not taken.
Anyway, it was just funny if it weren’t so sad. The plane of the Turkish Air Force was clearly in ambush and had contact with the dispatcher. All of this was clearly planned. As well as the fact that they chose the outdated Su-24 instead of Su-34 for the attack. But nothing. We are not vindictive but we owe Peshkov.

For whom they take us, it’s clear, something else is not clear. Who do our beloved take for hanging the same noodles through our media.

[nik-karata]

Who put rockets on our plane ??? That's right, Turkish F-16. That's what you need to ask from him! Who killed Peshkov and Pozynich? That's right, Turkoman! That's what you need to ask from them! And Erdik and Davutoglu are cool guys! Che you all ganged up on them ..... I believe (IMHO) that the Most Serene Pu once again (not the last) dipped the Russian State with his head in the city of o in front of the whole world. Maybe someone pokh. I'm ashamed!

[Prince of Pensions]

They will interrogate the pilot and it turns out that the computer crashed.
And even later, they will dump on a bad rocket.
This is how it all looks.
Are they so stupid.
All these nonsense for diplomats. The war will begin, the Turks and ushat for the pilots.