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Washington again made a blunder, now in Turkey Erdogan. Washington is clearly losing Turkey and its beloved military base to its Incirlik. She was already de-energized during the coup - a bad omen ...


Turkexit


Stratfor and other “brainworms” affiliated with Washington after the failed Turkish coup lost their analytical skills, write banalities and mischief like “the Turkish army will be weakened,” “Erdogan will clear all of them, and his power will become completely complete.” Top of Stratford's thought: "The West and the United States will no longer be able to trust Turkey." Indeed, it is difficult to talk about the confidence of a neighbor in whose house they attempted to carry out a coup d'etat.

Correctly posing the question: can Turkey and its president Erdogan now trust the US and NATO? The “American hand” in the coup is obvious, Erdogan directly points to the United States: “The rebels received orders from the United States”, and there is a consequence ahead of which the arrested rebels will be told the whole truth, and not only about Imam Gulen from Virginia .... This obvious thing in the State Department is seen, in contrast to the Stratfors, and spokesman John Kirby tries to warn, threatening: "Assumptions about involvement in the US putsch are completely erroneous and harmful to relations with the US ..."

The gravity of Washington’s position is also indicated by the fact that its agents in the world media are throwing “Plan B” - a cover plan in case of failure: the version that Erdogan himself inspired the coup against himself. Note, quite in the spirit of the Nazi-Bandera, who always shout that they have nothing to do, "the enemies are burning themselves and firing." Perhaps this same brilliant idea was prompted to them by the same Western analysts, who today profoundly argue: Erdogan overthrew himself ...

In general, this is the logic of the war: the enemy is to blame for everything - and she says that the war of Washington against Erdogan with the failure of the putsch will not end. After all, it is clear that the investigation will begin about the coup, which can bring sensational revelations to the coup, and the State Department knows that the coup leaders know, therefore Kirby threatens Erdogan: do not harm the relations with the United States. Washington may regard the “harm” of the United States as an aggression ...

Erdogan, after he nearly lost his life in a hotel in Marmaris, has nothing more to lose. But what to do with the investigation is a question ... It will easily prove the US involvement in the putsch, but Washington does not recognize this, has already made it clear that it will declare all evidence and facts false, and seizes its hands and teeth into its “Plan B”: Erdogan himself overthrew yourself! In general, everything is as if with a downed Malaysian Boeing: Washington considers the answer to be profitable for itself, and that’s it!

They will declare that Erdogan provoked the putsch, that is, he is responsible for him, and will demand leniency for the unfortunate, deceived, white and fluffy, and democratic, coup. How to deal with all this? - Erdogan, apparently, is going to consult with Putin. In early August, Putin has already agreed with Erdogan. Indeed, it’s not to discuss this with Obama or NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg Erdogan ...

The stubborn facts are as follows: the fifth pro-American military column in Turkey was defeated as a result of the putsch, its top was arrested. Erdogan can convincingly accuse the United States of involvement in the coup attempt. What can Putin offer? To support Turkey and Erdogan in the results of the investigation, his final outcome could be Turkey’s withdrawal from NATO with a declaration of neutral status, Turkey could become a kind of "Middle Eastern Sweden" ... It is beneficial for both Russia and Turkey, and the West will have to be swallowed. Subsequently, some Russian-Turkish treaty is possible.

And Washington will remain with Imam Gülen, 77 for years, with his preaching about democracy (!), And the “double game” for a couple with Gülen. Many have asked what will follow Brexit? The correct answer is unexpected: Turkexit!
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  1. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 27 July 2016 06: 13
    +30
    Soon they will begin to sing the jammed record that it was Putin who made a special coup to pull Turkey out of NATO and weaken the alliance.
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 27 July 2016 08: 54
      +3
      A kind of NATO will remain with Estonia alone! belay
      1. _Vladislav_
        _Vladislav_ 27 July 2016 09: 14
        +14
        Life is a striped thing. Yesterday you shot down a Russian plane. Today you need the support of Russia.
        1. ver_
          ver_ 29 July 2016 02: 22
          0
          ... there are Amer’s planes in Turkey ... hell knows who shot down ...
      2. Hayer31
        Hayer31 27 July 2016 17: 53
        +5
        Turki takie xitrie chto vekami travili anglichan protiv russkix i pochti vsegdq vixadili suxim iz vadi, oni dojut i russkix i zapad, a mi zabili cho 13 raz mi vaevali, pochti 10 raz pomagali chtobi turki vastanutat pu tjem tanjutan pomagi tan tjem tan tan yutov tan yutov tan tan yu tan tan yu tan u t t y o t u t t u u t t u p t u p t o p t u p t u p t u p t u p t u p t u p t u p t u p t u p t t t u p t o p t o p t o p t o p t t t u p t p s t t u p t p s t t u p t p s t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t c t t v t t v t t v t v t t t t t t t t t t t t t v oni nas, tak kak mi v regione konkuriruem drug s drugom, nashi puti savsem drugie, nezabut Vladimir Vladimirovich gde baeviki lechilis Posle chechni
      3. sergo42
        sergo42 31 July 2016 08: 37
        0
        It will not remain, there are two more faithful mongrels there.
    3. ssdfrf
      ssdfrf 27 July 2016 10: 44
      -3
      Quote: Tartar 174
      Soon they will begin to sing the jammed record that it was Putin who made a special coup to pull Turkey out of NATO and weaken the alliance.

      Turkey’s withdrawal from NATO, the alliance will certainly weaken, but not critically. But Turkey without NATO is a big heavy cast-iron cargo that fell into a storm in a ship’s hold and threatens to smash the ship into pieces.
      1. 73bor
        73bor 27 July 2016 14: 02
        +5
        The Turkish army is the second largest in NATO, 500000 is not a joke!
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 27 July 2016 15: 29
          0
          Turkey’s withdrawal from NATO, the alliance will certainly weaken, but not critically. But Turkey without NATO is a big heavy cast-iron cargo that fell into a storm in a ship’s hold and threatens to smash the ship into pieces.


          I want to ask the analyst.

          Why? Without NATO, Turkish armies cabins or what? o_o

          And I would also like to know the analyst’s attitude to the issue of the seizure of the site and the killings of police officers at home.

          The bloody tyrant is tired of everyone and the people demand justice? a revolution of hydency?

          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 29 July 2016 23: 52
            +1
            Quote: c-Petrov

            Without NATO, Turkish armies cabins or what?

            Without NATO Turkish army kayuk.
            All equipment is produced by NATO.
            The whole structure of management, supply and services is imprisoned under NATO.
            All officers were trained by NATO instructors.
            Of course, they will hold out without NATO for some time. Parts will be three-expensive to buy. But do not last long until the equipment becomes obsolete. No one will give them new planes with ships for nothing, and there will be no money to buy.
            So Turkey will not leave NATO, even if they prove that the Americans themselves prepared the coup.
        2. Bort radist
          Bort radist 27 July 2016 17: 17
          0
          Quote: 73bor
          The Turkish army is the second largest in NATO, 500000 is not a joke!

          Minus 1500 coupists and this is not the final figure. winked
      2. Hayer31
        Hayer31 27 July 2016 17: 55
        +2
        Turtcija nevijdet iz NATO 100%.
        1. Severok
          Severok 27 July 2016 19: 41
          +1
          Is not a fact. If Erdogan is going to lead an independent sovereign country along the waves of international relations, then Turkey will have a direct road to exit the NATO bloc. It is no secret that the NATO bloc represents the interests of the large arms lobby of the United States.
        2. Kasym
          Kasym 27 July 2016 19: 52
          +3
          Hayer31, rather the British set the Turks on the RI and came out of the water dry.

          From the Turks now it is necessary that they do not poke their nose into Syria. I myself wrote that Erdogan must leave and his partners a color roar. stir up. But the option of a military coup, where the generals who trained in NATO countries will stand at the helm of Turkey, is the worst. Better thrice-beaten Erdogan than such a puppet.

          Much depends on what Erdogan offers in St. Petersburg. And without gifts it makes no sense to come - he himself understands, because screwed up. Yes, and treason seems to be everywhere - I planted such a crowd of people. In NATO, however, they see a betrayal that Erdogan went to Moscow after the coup; not west. This shows where support awaits - they definitely don’t go to enemies after this. This also suggests that the Russian Federation did something useful - a confirmation that Erdogan was confirmed by Moscow.

          All the same, they won’t tell us much after the St. Petersburg visit — Erdogan will certainly ask for it. hi

          Erdogan is unpredictable, and in the civil war of NATO he is a burden (human rights, democratic values ​​and all that) - therefore, what the hell is not joking, it may come out. Yes, and he already understood that NATO is not a 100% guarantor; moreover, he sees the reason for the putsch in the USA.
          1. Alex_Tug
            Alex_Tug 28 July 2016 06: 26
            0
            Turkixite? Right now, it is unlikely, although there are steps in this direction.
            - arrest of judges. Judicial power passes to the mullahs.
            - dismissed secular deans of universities.
            It looks like a planting of radical Islam.

            Then, with radical Islamization, the resistance of a pro-European population will have to be suppressed. In practice, this may result in an attempt to separate the European part, led by Istanbul, from the Asian part of Turkey. Problems for Erdogan will increase. What will become a problem for Russia will have to play on 2 fronts. In general, a big ass. Russia will have to keep Erdogan in check, and this is problematic.
            (until I conduct an analysis in this direction, it's too early to see you).

            I think the victory of the putsch would be preferable.
            IMHO, a purely personal opinion.
            1. sergo42
              sergo42 31 July 2016 08: 43
              0
              I do not agree. Better is the unpredictable baited mongrel than a well-fed, doggy dog ​​barked on Russia.
      3. evil partisan
        evil partisan 27 July 2016 21: 32
        +1
        Quote: ssdfrf
        Turkey without NATO is a big heavy cast-iron cargo that fell into a storm in the hold of a ship, which threatens to smash the ship to pieces.

        Urgently throw cast iron out of your head. And then it will happen as with Turkey sad . Well, in the sense of a ship ...
    4. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 27 July 2016 21: 19
      +1
      Turkey will NEVER pursue an independent policy. They only dream about it. And Russia will NEVER, in the person of Turkey, have at least a neutral neighbor.
      1. FM-78
        FM-78 28 July 2016 01: 46
        0
        Glory to the gods !!! How to convey to the rest?
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 27 July 2016 06: 17
    +24
    Yes, to hell with the Turkish 5th column. What to do with ours when we get rid of it? Also through a toy coup? We helped the Turks. And who will help us.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 27 July 2016 08: 42
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      We helped the Turks. And who will help us.

      did we help ?! - And what is our help expressed in?
      1. Hayer31
        Hayer31 27 July 2016 17: 57
        +2
        Atomnuyu stantsyu stroem + 1 000000 XNUMX turist v god
    2. Lord_Bran
      Lord_Bran 27 July 2016 08: 52
      +3
      Do not get rid of them! The main thing that loomed in sight. A great indicator of government actions: scolding - everything is clear, praising - something needs to be changed.
  3. user3970
    user3970 27 July 2016 06: 54
    +8
    And again, talk began about South Stream-2 with the transfer of a gas valve to the Turks. And then the resumption of the construction of a nuclear power plant in Turkey at our expense with the repayment of loans in 60 years.
    1. Lord_Bran
      Lord_Bran 27 July 2016 08: 53
      +1
      Damn two to them after what was given the valve. And behind the nuclear power plant, it seems, float forward.
      1. ver_
        ver_ 29 July 2016 02: 07
        0
        ..turks do not want transit through their territory, only for their needs ..
    2. Almatinets
      Almatinets 27 July 2016 11: 10
      +1
      Quote: user3970
      And again, talk began about South Stream-2 with the transfer of a gas valve to the Turks

      not quite right: the Turks will have a pipe, and the valve on the Russian side, in general, as with the Ukrainians
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    4. vlad_vlad
      vlad_vlad 27 July 2016 12: 06
      +1
      Quote: user3970
      And again, talk began about South Stream-2 with the transfer of a gas valve to the Turks. And then the resumption of the construction of a nuclear power plant in Turkey at our expense with the repayment of loans in 60 years.


      No, more so:
      when the pipe is built, then Erdogan will say that it was a personal decision of some Turkish foreman and Turkey would not pay for gas and construction, and not at all in business. and the foreman is already sitting in a Turkish prison since he participated in the 2016 mutiny.
    5. Hayer31
      Hayer31 27 July 2016 17: 58
      +1
      Ruskim bi takoy xitrosti
  4. afrikanez
    afrikanez 27 July 2016 06: 57
    +2
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Yes, to hell with the Turkish 5th column. What to do with ours when we get rid of it? Also through a toy coup? We helped the Turks. And who will help us.

    Wow, and don’t say how all the same they are fed up with these American slime dishes. am
    1. Baloo_bst
      Baloo_bst 27 July 2016 07: 11
      +1
      Games in democracy are already frankly tired, but the 37-year-old in this situation will not be a panacea. Against the 5th column, the entire civil society should be mobilized with the appropriate support of the prosecutor's office and other law enforcement agencies.
      Public censure, confiscation of property, engineering, should protect society from the corrupting influence of Western democracy.
      1. insular
        insular 27 July 2016 07: 19
        +8
        Quote: Baloo_bst
        All civil society should be mobilized with appropriate support from the prosecutor's office and other law enforcement agencies.
        in the meantime, civil society is losing faith (continuing to lose what has already been lost) in prosecutors, courts and lure. Not a single thief and swindler sat down. Neither a thief, nor a swindler either to / from the government or a protege personally to the supreme (hello to the governors).
        What kind of consolidation is there in the fight against the fifth column if there is no strength to deal with ordinary crooks?
        The government is not able to imitate even a revealing flogging, where is the real fight?
        Powerlessness and mold - this is the current state of domestic politics.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 27 July 2016 08: 49
          +6
          Quote: insular
          Powerlessness and mold - this is the current state of domestic politics.

          I would add - irresponsibility. And so, I completely agree with you - with such an irreplaceable deck in power, no society will be consolidated. The future of law enforcement agencies has recently proved itself at the Mercier parade in Moscow.
          1. Volzhanin
            Volzhanin 27 July 2016 09: 43
            0
            and impunity!
          2. Warlock_r
            Warlock_r 27 July 2016 10: 42
            +2
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            I would add - irresponsibility. And so, I completely agree with you - with such an irreplaceable deck in power, no society will be consolidated. The future of law enforcement agencies has recently proved itself at the Mercier parade in Moscow.


            Put a plus. And I would put another three hundred, if I could.
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 27 July 2016 16: 28
              +1
              Quote: Warlock_r
              Put a plus. And I would put another three hundred, if I could.

              thank you, one is enough, I’m not participating in the race for the marshal’s rod hi
        2. Imperialkolorad
          Imperialkolorad 27 July 2016 09: 22
          +1
          Quote: insular
          Not a single thief and swindler sat down.

          Well, you really do not talk. For with such statements you just look like the very 5th column. It would be more correct to say that few sat down from crooks and thieves.
          1. martin-159
            martin-159 28 July 2016 16: 30
            0
            Extremely few.
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  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 July 2016 07: 04
    +1
    Of course, the striped ears did not expect that such a powerful and well-prepared Turkish army would not be able to overthrow the "undersultan", who, even according to the constitution, DOESN'T have full power. A complete bummer. Even if the US now "surrenders" Gulen, it will not give them anything. Turkey, IMHO, they lost forever. Well, or for as long as Erdogan is in power ...
  6. inkass_98
    inkass_98 27 July 2016 07: 14
    +19
    Yes, there will be no TurkoVyhod, forget it. Too tightly tied in the United States in any area where not to throw. And you need to start with NATO.
    If the Turks try to leave the alliance, they will receive a lot of impressions from territorial and other claims from their immediate neighbors. The war with Greece does not begin only because the uncle from the shining city on the hill doesn’t order, de, it’s not good, you are members of the same bloc.
    As soon as the "can" command arrives, a very interesting story with geography will begin: Greece, Bulgaria, Armenia, Georgia, devastated Syria, and even Israel may begin to present long accounts for past grievances. I am generally silent about Kurdish autonomy, so as not to escalate.
    What can be done with the Turkish economy has been shown by Russia, with absolutely no effort. Imagine what your European friends will do the same. Then Turkey will definitely return to its natural way of life - grazing goats on rocky hills and selling Angora wool. They can steer the Bosphorus for some time until the concept changes.
    So sit them (the Turks) quietly and not shine, occasionally howling about their greatness and independence.
    1. atalef
      atalef 27 July 2016 07: 31
      +10
      Quote: inkass_98
      What can be done with the Turkish economy has been shown by Russia, with absolutely no effort. Imagine what your European friends will do the same. Then Turkey will definitely return to its natural way of life - grazing goats on rocky hills and selling Angora wool. They can steer the Bosphorus for some time until the concept changes.
      So sit them (the Turks) quietly and not shine, occasionally howling about their greatness and independence

      I support. in general, it seems that the Turks in their stupidity have forgotten who they are and where.
      1. insular
        insular 27 July 2016 08: 19
        +7
        Quote: atalef
        in general, it seems that the Turks in their stupidity have forgotten who they are and where.

        laughing "Arabs are stupid", "Turks are stupid" lol You, with your God-chosenness and magnanimity, are already in - fellow
        Erdogan will now fly to Vladimir Vladimirovich and they will bargain for the market and other non-people in exchange for other non-people. And the Russian benefit and Turku, the main thing is who will overtake whom.
        Erdogan needs cards to play with Europe and America, and for this, you need material for bargaining.

        Do you really think that there will be some kind of sharp body movements such as leaving NATA?
        Having traded nishtyaki from Russians, the Turks bargained with Europe and the USA for the fact that at some points he would refuse the Russians (and options for bargaining may be agreed upon with the Russians in advance so that it would not be inconvenient). A Russian having stranded with a Turk will secure for himself ... Provide in short.
        It’s as if you didn’t live in Russia lol This is called "friendship and profitable business in conditions of force majeure (collision)."
        As a result, everyone is happy, everyone agreed, returned to their original, having lost something, but retaining their face and seat.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 27 July 2016 08: 52
          +2
          Quote: insular
          A Russian having stranded with a Turk will secure for himself ... Provide in short.

          yes, it will, until the Turks agree on a new one with the USA and the EU, and then another knife in the back, or something else in another place
          1. insular
            insular 27 July 2016 09: 01
            +2
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            until the turk ...

            Without a doubt, in this world even the brothers throw, is it a sin to the Turk? This is a question of what the Russians are bargaining for, a crane in the sky and an oath of eternal friendship or something more earthly and doable.
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            and then another knife in the back

            Well, the previous attempt cost him heavy losses ... A new one will be decided, but not immediately. And during this time you need to have time to realize the bargain.

            The United States, you know, also tried to stick a knife in the back of the Turk, but like the Turks, they missed and now, like the Turks (for Su), they will suffer some losses ... They miscalculated ...

            Agree, if you throw away all this tinsel with "knives in the back", then for one shot down old Su, the Russians run the risk of getting a sickly gesheft (even if they bargain favorable terms for the Turkish stream from a greedy Turk). After all, when the terms of the Turkish stream were proposed, the Turk was in a more advantageous position with the Russians desperate, after the refusal for the southern stream. He was greedy for the Turks, decided that the Russians were at a much more disadvantageous position and that they could not only bend us, but also fuck us, and decided to shoot Su down, show who is the boss? Well, now the same offers, only the conditions are not the same ...

            Gangster Classic laughing
            1. ssdfrf
              ssdfrf 27 July 2016 10: 54
              +1
              And what has changed over these several months that the Turks shot down the Su-24 and now, today? I do not have such outstanding analytical skills as you, insular, I still cannot understand the reasons for your joy. What has changed in Russia so dramatically that it will "force" the Turks?
            2. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 27 July 2016 12: 59
              0
              Quote: insular
              Agree, if you throw away all this tinsel with "knives in the back", then for one shot down old Su, the Russians run the risk of getting a sickly gesheft (even if they bargain favorable terms from a greedy Turk for the Turkish stream

              conditions - this is if the Turks themselves will build it at their own expense, otherwise Ukrainians will regularly throw us with this gas, which will hinder the Turks in the future. The construction of a nuclear power plant is similar - if ours is at a Turkish expense, this is one thing, but if for our money, at the expense of some future electricity, then dismiss
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      2. starogil
        starogil 27 July 2016 09: 19
        +3
        Kerry scares Erdogan to trample from NATA - noodles on the ears of suckers and, suddenly, Turkey and Israel became closer to trolling the USA ???? What fools are designed for the gestures of this lousy trinity? On the
        Who is this play designed for, as it were with an apology, a staged coup, threats that suddenly stuck together in the arms of sworn friends, Israel and Turkey?
        Assigned to: Renew everything from plastic tomatoes to the Blue Stream project.
        And less than a year has passed: how is the classic - "... From the funeral to the wedding table went pie
        memorial. "W. Shakespeare," Hamlet ".
    2. SSR
      SSR 27 July 2016 07: 49
      +3
      The most "cool" is that now the "leaders" of Europe will make "meaningful" faces, express their concerns, but at the same time everyone knows and understands everything, and the sultan of all Turkey knows this but will not voice it otherwise they will quickly press him to the nail.
      Imha.
      Erdogan will quietly launch the process of refugees to Europe, be asked to return to energy agreements with the Russian Federation (to have a lever in southern Europe at least in the future), and will revise the Middle East conflict in a different light with the recognition that Turkey was one of the elements of destabilization.
      It’s interesting, but was the Israeli government in the know or did they also want to put them in a quiet place before the fact?
    3. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 27 July 2016 09: 48
      +2
      Neither history nor geography begins. Russia will not allow hard to extend the vassals of the mattress. I think that is precisely what Perdogasha is going to our leader to agree on the consequences of leaving the community, etc.
  7. alex-cn
    alex-cn 27 July 2016 07: 19
    +2
    But in general - it’s really, some sort of strange putsch, not serious, or something, If the travel agency took this matter seriously ... but not for the first time ... In Egypt, the Mursi were knocked out at the moment ...
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 27 July 2016 07: 20
    +6
    its final result may be Turkey's withdrawal from NATO with the declaration of neutral status, Turkey may become a kind of "Middle East Sweden" ..... Yeah ... of course ... A realm of fantasy ... Still the powder smoke did not clear, the corpses did not cool down .. Turkey demanded that they let her go to the Russian food market .. Erdogan was on his own mind .. with a stone behind bosom .. You have to be extremely careful with him ..
  9. Alex von Dorn
    Alex von Dorn 27 July 2016 07: 59
    0
    In any case, the complications of relations between Turkey and the United States cannot be avoided. To what extent these complications will reach, we will see after Erdogan’s visit to Russia. And I think that everything will not be weak. And this is good, everything that is bad for the enemy is good for Russia.
    1. vlad007
      vlad007 28 July 2016 21: 20
      0
      There will be no complications from the United States. In the US, elections are coming soon - November 8. Erdogan is counting on this!
  10. Arkan
    Arkan 27 July 2016 08: 00
    +3
    Lonely Turkey will be torn to pieces, so it will not leave NATO. South flows and nuclear power plants are dubious activities.
  11. as150505
    as150505 27 July 2016 08: 07
    +1
    Perdogan played out the Sultan. Now gets full.
  12. M0xHaTka
    M0xHaTka 27 July 2016 08: 21
    +2
    All this is strange. 2 weeks ago, Turkey was an enemy. Tomatoes were not canonical. And the heroes of Russia were regularly covered in the press. And then bam! and turn 180. Russian with Turkish brothers forever. Things don't get done like that ... It's not right
  13. kolyhalovs
    kolyhalovs 27 July 2016 09: 39
    +1
    Victor Kamenev, why so clumsy to fantasize?
    its final outcome may be Turkey’s withdrawal from NATO ... This is beneficial for both Russia and Turkey, and the West will have to swallow.

    If such a prospect even dawns on the horizon of Erdogan will be shot in Dallas. Well, or where else - it doesn’t matter, it’s important that there are a lot of crazy people in the world.
  14. Gur
    Gur 27 July 2016 09: 55
    +1
    All this is strange. 2 weeks ago, Turkey was an enemy. Tomatoes were not canonical. And the heroes of Russia were regularly covered in the press. And then bam! and turn 180. Russian with Turkish brothers forever. Things don't get done like that ... It's not right
    Geopolitics is a very complicated thing. A break with Turkey is not always possible (too significant partner and neighbor). Relations in any way will be solved in what form at the top. And I hope for the wisdom of the leadership of our country.
  15. Machete
    Machete 27 July 2016 09: 58
    0
    It seems that the days of Turkey in NATO are numbered.
    And the days of NATO bases in Turkey.
  16. alatanas
    alatanas 27 July 2016 10: 37
    +1
    "The East is a delicate matter," and there is no need to rush to show the desired as real. Turkey is an eastern country and has a history of the Ottoman Empire, so it is not at all clear what will happen next.
    1. vlad007
      vlad007 28 July 2016 21: 18
      0
      "The East is a delicate matter, but not thinner than a banknote."
  17. Dark_Filin
    Dark_Filin 27 July 2016 11: 11
    +1
    Where and how did Turkey claim that the US government was involved in the putsch? Yes, Erdogan said that the coup was controlled from the United States and indicated a specific person - Gulen, who lives in the United States. And it requires its issuance. Where is the "American hand" in the putsch obvious? Where is the evidence of US government involvement? There is none of them. Yes, Gulen occasionally worked for the CIA. But is it so in this case?
    The end is generally enchanting. Brexit, as you know, is Britain's withdrawal from the European Union economic union. At the same time, Britain did not leave NATO and is not going to leave. And what has Turkey to do with it, which was not a member of the EU and is not going to leave NATO either?

    Regarding the US coup and participation, I don’t think that the United States participated in it. Maximum - agreed to remain silent and see how it ends.
    Let us remember Ukraine - long before the coup, all the media were buzzing about what Yanukovych was a "devil of hell" - media support. Western politicians in Kiev were changing as at the post - a guarantee of foreign recognition. And all this was long before the coup - Yanukovych was overthrown on February 21. And the Nuland cookies were on December 10th. 3 months before.
    The organization of civil resistance to the legitimate authority, which would impede the activities of the legitimate authority for the possibility of seizing power, while the legitimate one is fighting civilians. Where is it all in Turkey? No.

    If the coup were organized by the United States, months after 3 before the coup, people who lost their jobs after a quarrel with the Russian Federation, protesting against the destruction of Kurdish cities, protesting against the persecution of opposition journalists or something else would come to rallies. And the United States would rigidly say that Erdogan did not dare to touch them. There would be media support. Would there be visits by members of the US administration or opposition receptions in Washington.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      27 July 2016 11: 33
      +1
      I think that your hand also has ... from the State Department, heaped up the facts: it does not look like events in Ukraine, therefore ...

      Therefore, let us cite Lawrence Wilkerson, the ex-head of the State Department's staff, who said that the CIA "undoubtedly contributed" to the putsch in Turkey. And John Kerry bluntly said that Turkey's retreat from democracy is incompatible with NATO membership! I think that the issue has already been resolved, and Kerry is laying a straw: we ourselves drove Turkey out! ...
      And you will be expelled, for the clumsy work!
    2. Lord blacwood
      Lord blacwood 27 July 2016 22: 33
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      The "Ukrainian" version of the revolution in Turkey would not work, since Erdogan's positions in Turkey are much stronger than those of Yanukovych.
    3. vlad007
      vlad007 28 July 2016 21: 17
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      Absolutely agree!
  18. Dark_Filin
    Dark_Filin 27 July 2016 11: 57
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    Quote: Victor Kamenev
    Therefore, let us cite Lawrence Wilkerson, the ex-head of the State Department's staff, who said that the CIA "undoubtedly contributed" to the putsch in Turkey.

    In Ukraine, Americans, long before the coup, intervened in the events - they demanded not to touch the demonstrators, talked with them, etc. Media support wherever possible.
    Egypt 2011 of the year - the same thing - demonstrations, US demands not to touch the demonstrators, media support of the protests by El Jazeera.

    And here the former employee’s only statement about what he thinks ... Regarding Kerry’s statement, it’s clear that it was made to prevent Erdogan from strengthening power - strong leaders of the US countries are not needed even in allies.
  19. In100gram
    In100gram 27 July 2016 15: 29
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    The version is interesting. Let's look at the facts, what's next. So far, the fact that Erdogan is going to Moscow, and not to Washington or Brussels, deserves close attention. And in the light of the urgent formal establishment of our relations with Turkey
  20. Amper
    Amper 27 July 2016 18: 32
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    Whoever believes in the peacefulness and friendship of the Janissary will be left without a head!
  21. Jack-b
    Jack-b 27 July 2016 19: 14
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    Even if Erdogan has reason to quarrel with Washington, he will not do so. Because for him now a bad world is better than a good quarrel. So in the near future it is pointless to hope for Turkexit. And over the years through 10, everything can change so much that any forecasts today are completely meaningless.
    1. vlad007
      vlad007 28 July 2016 21: 15
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      Elections are coming soon in the USA - November 8! Erdogan understands this. He looks forward to a new relationship with the new US President!
  22. user3970
    user3970 27 July 2016 20: 34
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    The people. There are some economic issues that you do not know or do not take into account ... When the GDP was friends with the Turks, the pipe was already driven to the Black Sea. It seems 5 billion. dollars of budget costs. Now the continuation of the ballet: the pipe to Turkey: who will pay? Turks? Fig you! We are with you. How to pay the Nord Stream and Nord Stream -2. And then we are surprised why the Old Man in Belarus connects a private house to the gas main at a cost of 0 rubles, and in Russia from 300. All losses are inherent in Miller's adventures. Regarding the nuclear power plant ... The foundation has already been laid. This is about 000 billion dollars. Guess who paid? That's right, Kiriyenko at our expense with you. And they will build on our money with a return for 10 years. And there during this time either the donkey dies or the owner dies. But this is not even terrible. During operation of the nuclear power plant, either highly enriched or low enriched uranium is obtained at the output. And this is a bomb in the future. It smacks of treason.
    1. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 27 July 2016 21: 16
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      Quote: user3970
      How Nord Stream was paid

      Major national investors, including German companies BASF and Ruhrgas, Dutch Gasuunie and French GDF Suez,
      Quote: user3970
      and north stream -2.

      For example, the Austrian oil and gas concern OMV, which is part of an international consortium of project operators.
      Quote: user3970
      About the NPP

      The Akkuyu NPP construction project in Turkey is the world's first NPP project implemented according to the BOO model (build-own-operate, build-own-operate). And this is an investment! And it is done not at the expense of the budget, but at the expense of the company! Private company !!!
    2. vlad007
      vlad007 28 July 2016 21: 14
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      Where such figures come from - the foundation is about 10 billion dollars. This is an unrealistic figure. Give a link to the source. Your personal opinion does not interest anyone!
  23. Guru
    Guru 27 July 2016 21: 33
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    I think so, now Erdogan has accepted all our conditions by the "List" wink
    1. martin-159
      martin-159 28 July 2016 16: 35
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      In the sense of "squeak"?
  24. Krabik
    Krabik 28 July 2016 03: 13
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    Turkey, it seemed, was a country so-so, weak in all respects both in the army and in economics and technology.
    The population is not very large and average in size.

    BUT, plays a very important role in the "anaconda" plan.
    Pulling it out of the shaggy paws of the Anglo-Saxons, we will destroy this plan for a very long time or even forever.
  25. Signore Tomato
    Signore Tomato 28 July 2016 07: 16
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    It seems to me that ISIS (banned in Russia) will soon abandon Syria (where they broke off its teeth) and attack Turkey. After all, it is no secret to anyone that ISIS is created and controlled by the US CIA.
    1. vlad007
      vlad007 28 July 2016 21: 11
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      ISIS operates where there is oil. There is no oil in Turkey! They get it from Iraqi Kurdistan! 90% of Iraqi oil is concentrated in Iraqi Kurdistan! Therefore, Turkey supports Iraqi Kurds and fights with Turkish Kurds.
  26. Krabik
    Krabik 28 July 2016 15: 07
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    Quote: Signor Tomato
    pounce on Turkey



    How can Daesh attack Turkey, if Turkey is the Daesh bridgehead ?!
  27. vlad007
    vlad007 28 July 2016 21: 02
    +1
    The amateurish article. The author has absolutely no idea about Turkey.
    Quote from the article: "The stubborn facts are as follows: the fifth pro-American military column in Turkey was defeated as a result of the coup, its top leaders were arrested. Erdogan can convincingly accuse the United States of involvement in the coup attempt."
    CANNOT "accuse the US of involvement"! THEY are not involved!
    The army since Kemal Ataturk has been the guarantor of the secular state in Turkey!
    If anyone does not know, I want to explain what “Army is the guarantor of the secular state”. It is important!!! Turkey did a great job under the leadership of Kemal Ataturk (born in 1881 - died in 1938) to become a European state. Ataturk Reforms:
    Turkey in October 1923 was proclaimed a republic (before this the Sultanate) with the new capital Ankara. The Europeanization of society has begun. Atatürk began by deciding to ban FESKA (headdress), which had become a symbol of Muslim Turkey. Ataturk was the first to set an example wearing a hat! The ban on fez triggered a wave of riots that were crushed! In 1924, Sharia law was abolished, Sharia laws were replaced by codes and laws of European countries, adapted to Turkish realities - the “Swiss” civil, “Italian” criminal and “German” commercial codes were introduced. All Muslim monasteries and orders dissolve; traditional dervishes (mendicant monks) were ordered to work and were forbidden to wear special clothes. Secular educational institutions come to the place of closed religious schools. Emancipation of women is taking place - the fight against the veil, the promotion of European dances, women are doctors, teachers, lawyers, and in 1934, women receive voting rights. I don’t write about industry - and so it is understandable! In November 1928, the difficult Arabic alphabet is replaced by the Latin! All citizens between the ages of 16 and 40 were required to attend schools to learn the new alphabet. In the 1934 year, the Turks receive names, the National Assembly gives Mustafa Kemal the name Atatürk - “Father of the Turks”. Special law prohibits anyone else from using this name.
    The army, as a guarantor of secularism, should protect what Ataturk did.

    According to some experts, during the reign of Erdogan, “creeping Islamization” (gradual, in small steps) is carried out, i.e. moving away from the secular (Ataturk reform) state to the Muslim one, so these experts believe that the Army is heterogeneous in its views on the state’s structure - younger officers (young people who grew up under Erdogan) and the generals (elderly people) have different points of view what country should be - secular or Muslim. This could (!) Play a role in preparing the coup, but not the fact that it played.
    On the website http: //www.kurdistan. ru in one of the articles I read that in one of the speeches Erdogan said that "democracy is a bus, you go to a certain stop, and then you leave." Maybe he reached this stop and wants to get out of the "bus"? It is impossible to believe everything that is written on the network, but taking notes will not hurt.
    The media wrote that our intelligence department of the Ministry of Defense warned Turkey of the coup 5 hours before the start. Ours intercepted the telephone conversations of the conspirators and decrypted, intercepting is not a problem, but decrypting ... I think that "intercepting telephone conversations" is a version for the press! Surely intelligence intelligence worked. The Americans, partners in NATO (!), Did not warn !!! You would think that they trust the Turks and they do not have agents. Moreover, they say that they are not related to the coup. Of course they have nothing to do, they did not know anything! Do not make me laugh! I want to note that, in my opinion, this is why Erdogan began to demand the extradition of Gulen from the United States. He kind of lets them know that you all knew and didn't say anything! They asked for evidence of Guillen’s guilt! So they won’t give out, there is no evidence and can not be!
    1. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 28 July 2016 21: 12
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      So they won’t give out, there is no evidence and can not be!


      In fact, Gullen left the states. Most likely in Egypt.
  28. vlad007
    vlad007 28 July 2016 21: 45
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  29. Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 8 August 2016 23: 55
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    I don’t understand? Will Chernomorsk finally be declared a free city and will no longer be needed for passage through the straits? ))))) (joke))))