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Bubble Russophobic Theories: Answers to "Uncomfortable" Questions About Slavs

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Bubble Russophobic Theories: Answers to "Uncomfortable" Questions About SlavsIt is no secret that the information war against the Slavs and Russians, which began hundreds of years ago, is continuing now, but at each turn stories it continues in a new guise.


Russophobic passages are increasingly heard in the media, including in Russia. Let's look at a couple of illustrative examples of how the "scientists" are trying to prove that there were no ancient Slavs. One case is not serious, if not ridiculous. The other is with a claim to science, and its author is a professor of medieval history and archeology at the faculty of history at the University of Florida, USA, himself a native of Croatia.

So, the first case. The author, a Bulgarian named Plamen Paskov, released a series of video broadcasts entitled “When the Slavs were invented” and “There were no ancient Slavs”. It turns out that he discovered that in the earlier texts the name “Slovene” was used, and “Slavs” appeared later. On this basis, he writes that his fellow citizens had been deceived for decades, that the Slavs were supposed to be.

The author reports that when he addressed his discovery to historians (he is not a historian himself), they only dismissed him. Plamen Paskov calls “to ring the bells, turn on the brightest spotlights” and notify everyone that there were no ancient Slavs, they were invented. Not so translated ancient texts.

It seems that man is a victim of scholasticism to an extreme degree. We open, for example, the Tale of Bygone Years as submitted by V.N. Tatishcheva, prepared in the first half of the 18 century, and we read: “From the same seventies and two languages ​​were Slovenian language ...”, further “Noritsa naritsiemii, the same essence are Slavonic,” “they smelled Slavonic on the Danube”, “and from those Slavs many dispersed across countries, ”but“ the Inami Slavs sat near Lake Ilmen and called themselves Slovyans ”.

As we see, Tatishchev uses both options, so what? Plamen Paskov, of course, is not a Russophobe or Slavophobic, it just seemed to the layman that he made a great discovery, and he calls to ring the bells and shine with searchlights so that his discovery goes into the pantheon of modern civilization. How many words and letters have changed in words over the past thousand years? Enough to read any old text. There such discoveries - a dime a dozen. And on the video and leading the fuel to the fire pours - “you will be silent” (referring to Paskov), this is “an inconvenient story” and so on.

This, of course, funny and frivolous. Kindergarten. Moving on to Professor Florin Curta from the University of Florida, who published in the Starohrvatska prosvjeta (2015) magazine an article on 17 pages entitled “Four questions for those who still believe in prehistoric Slavs and other fairy tales.” There is already a frank Slavophobia, the culmination of which is that researchers of the early Slavs and Slavic ethnogenesis "stick their ugly head out when nationalism gains strength and begins to persecute scientists." Learn the style of outspoken enemies, if not frank enemies? And what is there for the four questions?

Question one: “If Slavic ethnicity is defined by language, how can people speak Slavic without being Slavic?” (Slavic without being Slavic). Here, the critic apparently mistook with a question and wanted to ask - “How can people be Slavs, not to speak Slavic?”.

Here is again a typical example of scholasticism. An artificial restriction is put in advance, and everything else is automatically transferred beyond its limits. So it is proclaimed. You can arrange a lot of such games - for example, how can people live in Canada if they don't speak Canadian? How can people be called Swiss if they don't speak Swiss? What could be the ancestors of the Soviet people, if there is no Soviet language, and the Soviet people began to be such only from 1918 year?

But there will be slyness here too, because local self-government bodies (Zemstvo assemblies, Zemstvo councils) in Russia were introduced by the Zemstvo reform of the year 1864 at the level of the province and county, and by the year 1914 existed in the 43 province of European Russia. And before that there were veche and other bodies of national self-government. It is just that the restrictive term is introduced again by the scholastics, and everything that formally goes for it is denied.

But here again there are problems - the author and others like him proclaim that before the 7 of the 20th century AD Slavonic languages ​​were not. But who really knows what were the languages ​​of the early Slavs of the Lukachka culture 3200 years ago, at the end of the 2nd millennium BC?

On what basis is it proclaimed that they did not have a “Slavic identity”? You would think that criticism is for certain known. Nothing criticism is unknown, he just pretends. And if in a simple way - cheating. Gives wishful thinking.

What, does the critic really believe that when the Slavs of the Lukazi culture 3200 years ago came out with batons to fight for their land from an adversary, most likely carriers of the R1b haplogroup, which would repeat more than once in those territories, those Slavs did not have self-consciousness?

It is impossible to limit the history of the Slavs "Slavic language", which is a flexible concept, changeable over time, and besides, the most important thing is given to the linguists, with their chronic errors and misunderstandings regarding dating and classifications.

Further, the “Slavic ethnos”, which “critics” usually manipulate, is not a concept that is clearly defined. In fact, this is not. Poles and Russians are Slavs, but they have different ethnic groups, different languages, different territories, different religions.

And Florin Kurt constantly presses on the “Slavic ethnos”, which appeared only allegedly in the second half of the 1st millennium BC, and before that it was not, it means that there were no ancient Slavs. Notice fraud, juggling? It turns out that those who fought on the Tollenze River in the territory of the Early Slavonic Pudzhny culture, defending their lands, did not have not only self-awareness, but also language, traditions, and beliefs. What the hell did they say in general, using exquisite scientific language, with their clubs, as archaeological data showed? It was not necessary to fight, and they would drink Bavarian beer, following the calls of such "critics".

It is also curious that, as Professor Kurt writes, no one knows what language the early Slavs had. What linguists operate with, according to Kurt, is not real language, but some kind of artificial linguistic construct to which there is not a unit of evidence or evidence. It is neither among the Slavs, nor the Ants, and in general none of the ancient Slavs.

The linguists, apparently, have no idea that the Slavs 3200 years ago had just diverged from the Aryans two thousand years before, and their ancestors, the early Slavs and Aryans, lived only on 1300 years before on the Russian Plain, and on 1300 years , according to the principles of lexicostatics, 36% of common words is preserved in the early Slavs and Aryans. More than a third!

What, linguists and do not know about it? Apparently, they do not know, since they put the discrepancy between the Slavic languages ​​and the Aryan on 6900 years ago.

As we can see, the first question of Florin Kurt is irrelevant to the ancient history of the Slavs, is purely scholastic and reflects a low level of entry into the history of the Slavs. Attracting to this "ethnicity" does not help the cause, but only confuses the "criticism".
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 27 July 2016 05: 43
    +13
    There is demand, there is money, so there will be theories and evidence. The science that draws wherever you turn is what happened.
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 27 July 2016 05: 51
      +16
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Science that draws
      - So you need to protect your self! And then all sorts of semi-literate cunning ghouls climb and, for the sake of the moment, write "opuses" for the same semi-literate half-educated half-fools who, moreover, also jump well ... And then devastation and darkness. Therefore: do not spare money for the study and propaganda of OUR Slavic values, attracting the smartest patriots to this.
      But the internal enemies of Russia, such as Gozman, I would have just flogged, in the square and on the bare ass.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 27 July 2016 06: 00
        +14
        Evidence of the falsehood of theories is not a good defense. It is necessary to prove the connection of wretched worldview as a result of island thinking. But she is. And let them make excuses that they are not camels. Good topic for KD
        1. Lord_Bran
          Lord_Bran 27 July 2016 09: 06
          +5
          Of course, I am not an expert, but an attacker always has a tactical advantage, right?) Why, relying on local forces, do not start a campaign to ask uncomfortable questions to Americans and their hangers-on? No lies, just facts.
          For Americans, the problem of national identity is solved simply: if a historical fact does not provide moral bonuses, it means more than one paragraph in a story or book it does not deserve. If at all mentioned. And often just misinterpreted.
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 27 July 2016 07: 08
        +3
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        But the internal enemies of Russia, such as Gozman, I would have just flogged, in the square and on the bare ass.

        But it seems to me that Gozman is very Useful ... a novel by Fyodor Mikhalych. With strings of loosely packed syllogisms rallies people abruptly than Soviet propaganda hi
      3. Alexey-74
        Alexey-74 27 July 2016 08: 49
        +4
        As these pseudo-historians got it .... the most interesting thing is that in the scientific world they are well aware of the Slavs, of their significance in the birth of European states, they know about the identity of the Slavs and Russians in particular. Half of the European royal courts have Russian roots (take, for example, Anna Yaroslavna, the daughter of Yaroslav the Wise) and so on ... Ancient Arabs and Greeks knew about Russia, Byzantium recognized as far back as the 9th century, then the adoption of Christianity. Russia practically saved Europe from being ruined by the Mongols, becoming a victim itself ... All these pseudoscientific articles of ordering clean water have been going on for at least 300 years.
        1. ver_
          ver_ 27 July 2016 11: 31
          +1
          Alexey-74 (3) RU Today, 08:49 ↑

          As these pseudo-historians got it .... the most interesting thing is that in the scientific world they are well aware of the Slavs, of their significance in the birth of European states, they know about the identity of the Slavs and Russians in particular. Half of the European royal courts have Russian roots (take, for example, Anna Yaroslavna, the daughter of Yaroslav the Wise) and so on ... Ancient Arabs and Greeks knew about Russia, Byzantium recognized as far back as the 9th century, then the adoption of Christianity. Russia practically saved Europe from being ruined by the Mongols, becoming a victim itself ... All these pseudoscientific articles of ordering clean water have been going on for at least 300 years.

          .. Recover, my dear, .. Mongolia was founded in 1920 ..
          What Mongols are you talking about in the 13th century and the salvation of Europe from them
          Do you even understand this issue. The Mongols and the Mughals are two different hypostases .. They called Russia Mughal ..
          1. 4thParasinok
            4thParasinok 28 January 2018 13: 23
            0
            Quote: ver_
            .. Recover, my dear, .. Mongolia was founded in 1920 .. What kind of Mongols do you speak of in the 13th century and the salvation of Europe from them? Do you even figure this out. The Mongols and the Mughals are two different hypostases .. They called Russia Mughal ..

            another fomenoid ... The united state of the Mongols appeared more than 800 years ago and it does not matter what it was called then. You are not even trying to understand such a simple thing that you cannot take the words of a foreign language simply by consonance with your native language. Personally, I realized this when I was 8 years old and learned a slight shock when I tried to learn English myself ...
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 27 July 2016 06: 06
      +22
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      There is demand, there is money, so there will be theories and evidence. The science that draws wherever you turn is what happened.

      I can ask a professor from Florida without money, for free laughing Let him show me an American? No, not ancient, even modern, let him show ... laughing
      And I will leave questions about language and lands for dessert. wink
      1. Lord_Bran
        Lord_Bran 27 July 2016 09: 02
        +2
        So elementary - they are in every reservation (read, concentration camp), even chew booty, something indigenous.
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 27 July 2016 10: 37
          +9
          Quote: Lord_Bran
          So elementary - they are in every reservation (read, concentration camp), even chew booty, something indigenous.


          The fact of the matter is that the indigenous ones are Indians, but not Americans!
        2. Korax71
          Korax71 8 January 2018 17: 44
          0
          I would like to live in a camp where your religion is not forbidden to you, you can choose a management method yourself, do not pay taxes. In short, you have all the rights that a separate state does not live in free Russia like in a concentration camp for Indians.
      2. ver_
        ver_ 28 July 2016 16: 39
        +1
        Anyone holding a US-American passport ..
        1. 4thParasinok
          4thParasinok 28 January 2018 13: 25
          0
          Quote: ver_
          Anyone holding a US-American passport ..

          wassat he is not an American, but an idiot, an ignoramus.
    3. Amurets
      Amurets 27 July 2016 06: 14
      +5
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      There is demand, there is money, so there will be theories and evidence. The science that draws wherever you turn is what happened.

      Especially history! Therefore, to prove the facts, the authors of these studies may bring written evidence signed by Herodotus, Herostratus, Aristotle, Diogenes and other historians of antiquity that there were no Slavs, Scythians, Dacians, Ancient Romans, Greeks, Egyptians. they are dealing with libel with the payment of a million dollars for each slandered year of history.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 27 July 2016 06: 33
        +2
        Quote: Amur Otherwise, institute proceedings against them for libel with the payment of a million dollars for each slandered year of history.

        Not, to every Slav of the Russian Federation. wink
        It is possible in rubles at the Central Bank rate on the day the sentence comes into force.
      2. V.ic
        V.ic 27 July 2016 06: 36
        +2
        Quote: Amurets
        Herostratom

        This historian was not, rather, a pyromaniac with a crawl on megalomania.
      3. Tusv
        Tusv 27 July 2016 07: 19
        +4
        Quote: Amurets
        Herodotus, Herostratus, Aristotle, Diogenes and other historians of antiquity

        You do not rank Herostratus as a historian; shame on Greece
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 27 July 2016 07: 31
          +2
          Yes, he is a normal historian - he went down in history, despite the prohibition of mentioning his name laughing .
          As Woland used to say: "I? Perhaps a historian. Today there will be an interesting story at the Patriarch's." laughing
        2. Turkir
          Turkir 27 July 2016 09: 40
          0
          Quote: Amurets
          Herodotus, Herostratus, Aristotle, Diogeno
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      4. Altona
        Altona 27 July 2016 08: 17
        +2
        Quote: Amurets
        may they bring written evidence signed by Herodotus, Herostratus, Aristotle, Diogenes

        ---------------------
        Rather, Herostratus destroyed evidence. He is not a chronicler at all, but a "creator" of history. By the way, to become famous, Herostratus burned down the temple. Doesn't it look like anything? The current generation of selfies is ready to do the same, so the terrorists of IS-DAISH (an organization banned in the Russian Federation) are the descendants of such herostrats.
        1. ver_
          ver_ 27 July 2016 08: 49
          0
          .. in the olden days, only consonants were written deeply, but there are no vowels ... Therefore, it is currently impossible to judge how this or that word sounded .. it's like there is no road, but there is a direction ..
          1. Turkir
            Turkir 27 July 2016 09: 46
            +1
            Have you accidentally mixed up Hebrew with Russian?
            1. ver_
              ver_ 27 July 2016 12: 54
              -1
              ..no- because beforehand there was a syllable letter, where the syllable was depicted in the form of (goat's face-ko), (Bear's face-me) ..images were simplified-people got used to it .. and so on ...
        2. co-creator
          co-creator 27 July 2016 17: 56
          0
          Quote: Altona
          ... He is not a chronicler at all, but a "creator" of history. By the way, to become famous, Herostratus burned down the temple.

          How is this known? The investigation was carried out, is there a protocol, a criminal case and a court decision in the original? I understand no, but it’s known for sure laughing but that he burned and generally burned something
          1. ver_
            ver_ 28 July 2016 12: 11
            +1
            It is difficult to burn a stone Temple (and it could not have been completely blown away) —they were only watched by the policemen .. however, it was called the Temple of Artemis, if my sclerosis doesn’t change me .. Tse skilko, the trebo treyla, can help me ..
          2. 4thParasinok
            4thParasinok 28 January 2018 13: 31
            0
            Quotation: blooded man
            How is this known? The investigation was carried out, is there a protocol, a criminal case and a court decision in the original? As I understand it, no, but it is known for sure that he burned and generally burned something
            and your dad is not a "lawyer"? here the girik inherited lawyer troubles ...
      5. CONTROL
        CONTROL 27 July 2016 08: 19
        +3
        Quote: Amurets
        written evidence signed by Herodotus, Herostratus, Aristotle, Diogenes and other ancient historians,

        ... about Herostratus and Diogenes - that's good! fun...
        And - a reference from Stratostat and Purgen; not prevent!...
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    5. siberalt
      siberalt 27 July 2016 06: 37
      +7
      It is not clear why Klyosov, an American professor of DNA geneology, took up the Slavic languages? Moreover, he opposes to unknown scribblers. Here Grinevich, Dragunkin and others are engaged in the issues of Russian and Slavic language groups. They would not even start getting involved with these Bulgarian ignoramuses with their primitive conclusions at the everyday level. So, according to Dragunkin's theory, the antiquity of a language is determined by the root word, or rather, how many same-root words are in the language. The more there are, the more ancient the language. He came to an unexpected conclusion that the most ancient language was Russian. Who is interested, read his book "5 sensations". It is on the internet.
      1. Pavel1
        Pavel1 27 July 2016 08: 13
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        It is unclear why Klesov, an American professor of DNA geneology, took up the Slavic languages? Especially opposed to unknown scribblers. At


        in fact, Klesov -Russian created the DNA genealogy, which also studies the origin of peoples, but where are the peoples and languages ​​there, which is not clear?
      2. Irokez
        Irokez 27 July 2016 08: 56
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        He came to an unexpected conclusion for himself that the most ancient language was Russian.

        Yes there are such assumptions. And the fact that Indo-European is Old Slavic (aka Sanskrit or Sanskrit is one of its dialects).
        But I wonder, what language did Atlanta speak? After all, the Slavs had the Antes tribes, but Atlantes - it was not by chance that the Atlantic Antes were called so breakaway from the mainland Antes?
      3. Turkir
        Turkir 27 July 2016 09: 34
        +4
        Klyosov has not been an American professor for a long time and lives in Russia.
        Dragunkin did not make any discoveries in his "5 sensations".
        If you are interested in the issues of the proto-language (this is what Dragunsky writes about), then I recommend the book of Ryzhkov L.N. "On the antiquities of the Russian language".
        The book is also interesting in that, unlike the books of Dargunsky, a bibliography is given.
      4. ver_
        ver_ 28 July 2016 02: 14
        -1
        Grinevich deciphered the "Festky disk" found in Crete
        foreigners took water into their mouths - they have been silent for 30 years .. - it is very unpleasant for them that the Slavic tribe "Rysich" lived in Crete - life was very hard, according to the record ..
      5. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok 28 January 2018 13: 35
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        It is unclear why Klesov, an American professor of DNA geneology, took up the Slavic languages?
        they don’t recognize genealogy in the USA, so they are looking for a new field for worship, and again in an amateurish way. After all, he is engaged in serious science, but crawls to where Nikerta does not understand.
    6. Andrey K
      Andrey K 27 July 2016 07: 19
      +8
      Flame Paskov, released a series of video programs entitled "When the Slavs came up"

      Well, so is our Igor Mamenko, voiced the theory of the Slavs ... laughing
    7. Pavel1
      Pavel1 27 July 2016 07: 22
      +3
      all these Western Slavs no longer want to be Slavs, especially those who have the Catholic religion today. To take today's Ukrainians, they have already spoiled their language so far from nowhere with synthetic words that it’s already difficult to understand what Ukrainian politicians are talking about. So are these Croats. It is strange that the Bulgarian got into this category. Bulgarians become as renegades as the Ukrainians.
      1. Pavel1
        Pavel1 27 July 2016 07: 59
        +2
        Quote: Paul1
        .Bulgars become as renegades as Ukrainians.


        it is not clear what this "truth-lover" Paskov is trying to achieve, so that the Slavic family would completely cease to feel itself as a single family of nations? Such historical delights lead to disunity of the Slavs and nothing more.
        1. Lord_Bran
          Lord_Bran 27 July 2016 09: 10
          +1
          Was there a boy? If a people DOES NOT WANT to be one people, then why do we need them at all as a kind of resource? It’s easier to buy sweets later than to convince hard work now. So Europe has been operating for many centuries, and limes in general have reached unprecedented heights in the art of manipulation.
      2. Lord_Bran
        Lord_Bran 27 July 2016 09: 08
        0
        Good riddance. "People have nothing to eat here!" (from)
    8. Vend
      Vend 27 July 2016 10: 07
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      There is demand, there is money, so there will be theories and evidence. The science that draws wherever you turn is what happened.

      That's exactly the way it is. However, it is insulting.
      when he turned to historians with his discovery (he is not a historian himself), they only waved him off
      Well, I have a historical background, they also dismiss my historical facts. Yes, I’m famous historians and they ignore it. Here is the German historian Joachim Herrmann writes that "the naval squads of the Rügen Slavs or the foot ratifications of the encouraging people terrified the inhabitants of Jutland, the Danish and Swedish islands." However, it is often mentioned only by the Slavophiles.
      You can not limit the history of the Slavs "Slavic language"
      It is impossible, but this at least allows us to get away from the theory of the birth of the Slavs in the 5th-7th centuries. And this is already good.
  2. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 27 July 2016 05: 50
    +6
    The author is now excommunicated from the church. The patriarch said that the Slavs are dirty barbarians, who, in essence, were civilized by Christianization.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 27 July 2016 07: 34
      +7
      Quote: stock buildbat
      Slavs are dirty barbarians,

      No, the Patriarch is wrong, the Slavs were never dirty. Barbarian beauty, a long braid, and Yaroslavna taught to wash Europe
    2. Turkir
      Turkir 27 July 2016 08: 40
      +1
      About Vladimir.
      The illegitimate Vladimir from Svetoslav and the housekeeper Malusha, adopted Christianity in the Crimea, only in order to marry the Byzantine princess Anna and become equal to the kings of Europe. And, of course, this fratricide immediately became a saint, and the "dirty barbarians" turned into clean lambs. A convenient fairy tale .. for lambs.
      At the site of today's Sevastopol was the Byzantine city of Khersones, which Vladimir captured. There they brought the crying Anna along with the bishop.
      I omit the details for brevity.
      1. ver_
        ver_ 27 July 2016 10: 05
        0
        ..there was no Christianity then - there was paganism- Christ was not born yet .. An hour not from the national minorities? ..
        1. Turkir
          Turkir 27 July 2016 10: 25
          0
          I would like to know when Christianity appeared in your opinion?
          Share your exceptional knowledge with us.
          Christ, in your opinion, isn’t nationally an hour?
          1. ver_
            ver_ 28 July 2016 12: 31
            0
            Have you ever wondered what centuries of the century on Olympus the tribe of God, headed by Zeus, was "registered"? or Alone with family and Valkyries .. for the Norwegians ..
            According to the writings of the Jews, Jerusalem destroyed polytheism ..
            Here, and to hell with horseradish to the nose, put your eyes in a heap and give out secret knowledge, as well as witness-chroniclers..khe, thereof ..
    3. Sarmat149
      Sarmat149 27 July 2016 15: 26
      +1
      And this is also a manifestation of the information war against our people on the part of Byzantium. When, by what position and why was it said, what task did this person carry out? Where is this Byzantium now? What is the state of Greece? So, do not take such phrases from the past centuries at face value.

      And this information war is still ongoing. recently, our patriarch simply boycotted the holding of a cathedral organized by the Patriarch of Constantinople.
  3. Sars
    Sars 27 July 2016 05: 50
    +20
    He looked that the Kazakhs were writing about Russian history - the hair stood on end.
    We were wild and backward in their almost slaves, and they are so warlike and wise,
    1. Drzed
      Drzed 27 July 2016 06: 55
      +7
      and Adam was generally a Kyrgyz laughing
      1. Smog
        Smog 27 July 2016 07: 49
        +6
        Quote: DrZed
        and Adam was generally a Kyrgyz laughing

        But let them deal with kaklami. Which of them Adam was born forward.
    2. ver_
      ver_ 27 July 2016 09: 58
      0
      ..it is for this reason that all the nationalities with foam at the mouth prove, contrary to everything, the greatness of their ancestors. Around their yurts the whole world revolved and they decided the fate of all other peoples ..
      For this reason, they hate the New Chronology .. Weak peoples have always been squeezed out onto the sidelines or periphery of progress ..
  4. Teberii
    Teberii 27 July 2016 05: 50
    +3
    All this is aimed at young people if you do not have a story.
  5. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 27 July 2016 05: 51
    +12
    And in my opinion, the Bulgarian is right, the Bulgarians are not Slavs, not Slavs anymore, their Turks have been staring for so many years that nothing Slavic is left, and now their USA is dying.
    1. Drzed
      Drzed 27 July 2016 06: 59
      +4
      and they never belonged to the Slavs
      Bulgars, Bulgarians - Turkic tribes that inhabited the steppes of the Northern Black Sea region from the 2th century to the Caspian and the North Caucasus and migrated in the XNUMXnd half of the XNUMXth century, partially to the Danube, and later to the Middle Volga and several other regions.
      They participated in the ethnogenesis of such modern peoples as Bulgarians, Macedonians, Tatars, Chuvashs, Bashkirs, Balkars, Karachais, and transferred their name to the state of Bulgaria.
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 27 July 2016 07: 33
        +3
        Oh well. From the Slavs, the Bulgarians have only the language in fact, the genetics there are Turkic. Just the case when the assimilated peoples gave their conquerors their language and culture.
      2. Andrey K
        Andrey K 27 July 2016 07: 39
        +6
        They wrote everything very informatively.
        The only problem is that the Finno-Ugric peoples settled the lands to the Hun tribes that reached the Volga — a thousand years before the events you described. Fortunately, people still live there. The name of the state Bulgaria and the territory of the Volga Bulgaria have no connection with each other. Bulgarians are Thracians, mixed with the same Huns.
        Bulgarians did not participate in any side
        ... ethnogenesis of such modern peoples as Bulgarians, Macedonians, Tatars, Chuvashs, Bashkirs, Balkars, Karachays ...

        Do not carry nonscientific nonsense. Tell us your story on the Volga. You ... will be given educational lectures ...
        PS If we are talking about immigrants from the Middle Volga - it will be Hungarians... Here they really are - direct "relatives" of the peoples inhabiting the Volga region. hi
      3. Turkir
        Turkir 27 July 2016 11: 07
        +2
        Asparuh (Bulgarian. Asparuh; ca. 640-700) - ruler of the Bulgarians from the Dulo dynasty. Founder of the first Bulgarian state on the Danube. Asparuh is the third son of the Khan of Great Bulgaria, Kubrat.

        The origin of the Dulo clan can be found in "Jagfar Tarihi".
        It is also interesting to see "The Nameplate of the Bulgar Khans".
        This ruling elite of Asparukh's "team" disappeared into the Slavic environment after their conquest. And, in the end, Bulgaria became Christian under the influence of the Orthodox and powerful Byzantium.
        As we see in Bulgaria, the language remained Slavic. The Church Slavonic language is Old Bulgarian. And this is also an unresolved problem.
        Not everything is so simple in history, not everything is still known, but terribly interesting.
        Is not it?
  6. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 27 July 2016 05: 52
    +8
    And let our linguists write articles about the origin of the English from the Slavs. Germans from the Slavs. Something I came across on this topic. And the West will squeal for 40 years and it will not be up to our origin.
    1. beck
      beck 27 July 2016 06: 23
      +2
      already written more than once
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 27 July 2016 06: 27
      +8
      And let our linguists write articles about the origin of the English from the Slavs. Germans from the Slavs. Something I came across on this topic. And the West will squeal for 40 years and it will not be up to our origin.

      The British came either from the Scandinavians, or from the Germans. And the Germans are from the Slavs, otherwise you can’t explain what the hell they are so drawn to us for. Homesickness? laughing
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 27 July 2016 07: 38
        +1
        Quote: avva2012
        otherwise you can’t explain what the hell they are so drawn to us.

        Zadornov recently showed a film that their villages were named after Russian names
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 27 July 2016 08: 02
          -3
          Quote: Tusv Zadornov recently showed a film that their villages were named after Russian names

          It was a joke. Although there is a joke in proportion ... We climbed twice, fought. And on the other hand, of the Europeans, only the Germans knew how to adapt to Russian conditions.
          Well, Zadornov is still not a bad satirist and that’s it.
          1. Turkir
            Turkir 27 July 2016 10: 44
            +4
            I do not know what the salt of this kind of jokes is.
            But, the well-known fact that the Elbe is Laba, like Brandenburg is Branibor.
            And German historians write about this, and not only Zadornov tells.
            The endings on -au in antiquity ended on -s, for example Breslau is Breslov.
            Take an interest in Prussian surnames, they say a lot, for example, Voltsov.
            And the Slav Slavs until the end of the 18th century spoke their own language, clearly Slavic.
            An interesting story is the Mecklenburg Slavs, whose resettlement borders were bordered by Denmark. And it was at the Mecklenburg Slavs that the story of three brothers who left for Russia was preserved.
            Too big topic for comment. But everything is in your hands. It would be a desire.
      2. nekot
        nekot 27 July 2016 09: 15
        0
        Quote: avva2012
        And Germans from the Slavs

        And here it is written that the Slavs from the Germans: http://www.21mm.ru/#072
        It is quite a Russian magazine, but theories are "different". On the other hand, we do not know exactly what was there, and it is ridiculous to measure "antiquity", let the Ukrainians do this, but the history of the Russian state must be protected.
        1. ver_
          ver_ 27 July 2016 12: 34
          +4
          The correct History should be taught at school, and not fakes about the Mongols, which were not and the conquests of the Mongols of Russia ..
          What the teacher said to children at school zombies them for life .. A good example is Ukraine ... My nephew is Dean at the Pedagogical Institute, so he does not even allow the thought that the Mongols did not invade Russia .. And even don’t know about it wants, these are our humanities .. These questions are much easier to solve with techies because they have logic and analytical thinking. Zadornov is a technician and that’s it ...
    3. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 27 July 2016 08: 12
      0
      Duc is a practically proven fact. The Russian language (aka Sanskrit) is the primary language for the entire geyropa, at least.
      1. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian 28 July 2016 22: 25
        0
        Russian language (aka Sanskrit)
        Indians in east London will poison me with curry if I tell them this nonsense.
        It is the primary language for all geyropa, at least.
        Listen to the conversation of the Spaniards or Portuguese. Or the French. It seems ... Besides Russian, do you know at least one language?
  7. Sarmat149
    Sarmat149 27 July 2016 05: 55
    +8
    This is an information war, not started by us. I completely agree with the author. I do not believe that our ancestors were stupid people. We have our own civilization.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 27 July 2016 06: 08
      0
      The fact of the matter is that its own civilization, alien, or rather alien to them.
  8. raid14
    raid14 27 July 2016 06: 07
    +5
    I recommend such "scientists" to read the book by Mavro Orbini "The Slavic Kingdom" of 1601. before the Peter's historical reform.
    “The Russian people are the most ancient people on earth, from which all other peoples descended. Empire courage of its warriors and the world's best weapons for thousands of years kept the entire universe in obedience and humility. Russians have always owned all of Asia, Africa, Persia, Egypt, Greece, Macedonia, Illyria, Moravia, Slaski land, the Czech Republic, Poland, all the shores of the Baltic Sea, Italy and many other countries and lands.
    “The book is a historiography of the esteem of the name, fame and expansion of the Slavic people. Collected from many historical books, through Mr. Maroubin Archimandrite Raguzhsky. Translated from Italian into Russian and printed ..... at the St. Petersburg Printing House, 1722, August 20th day. "
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 27 July 2016 07: 43
      +1
      Quote: raid14
      The Russian people is the most ancient people on earth, from which all other peoples descended.

      In vain, did the Greeks talk about Hyperborea. They say that we taught them everything laughing
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 July 2016 06: 08
    +3
    Wonderful scientists! Everything "on order". They said - to prove that there were no Slavs - they will prove it. They said - to prove that the protoukry dug up the Black Sea - they will draw in the best possible way.
  10. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 27 July 2016 06: 09
    +6
    "It's no secret that the information war against the Slavs and the Russians, which began hundreds of years ago, is continuing now, but at every turn of history it continues in a new guise."

    Only against the Russians. The rest of Slavic identity was simply not needed. Well then, they don’t need to, we will leave it to ourselves. yes
  11. Nitarius
    Nitarius 27 July 2016 06: 13
    +2
    It would not hurt .. that OUR OTHER STATE would RESTORE and tell about the truth ABOUT PETER 1 and what happened until then! to Christianity, etc.
    The fact that the Americans LIE and LIE and the chicken is clear! found lawyers ..h..new!
    About ancient civilizations, etc. and then MUCH lies mixed with GOD, then over the years! got this FALSE!
    1. ver_
      ver_ 27 July 2016 09: 33
      0
      ... to the article about the birds: Aglitsky Stonehenge was made at the beginning of the 19th century, it is known who worked on it ..
  12. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 27 July 2016 06: 20
    +9
    The author is also not fully aware of everything. If 3200 years ago the family of Aryan peoples broke up, then who carried away the Aryan identity, roughly speaking who left and who remained. If you look at the resettlement of peoples, then the Indians left through Iran to India and the Celts left, settling Western Europe. On the Russian plain were those arias who, over time, realized themselves to be Slavs. In my opinion this is obvious.
    1. ver_
      ver_ 27 July 2016 11: 02
      -2
      ..the last unification drove people to the equator .. -from there they resettled .. as the glacier retreated ..
  13. ML-334
    ML-334 27 July 2016 06: 39
    -4
    According to my data, the origin of Man is associated with the pyramid of Cheops and the Sphinx. Since that time there has been a degradation of mankind. The first generations did not have linguistic communication, it went on, and even now it goes in the "afterlife", in a mental way. Thought is everything, communication, and movement, and control of weapons (as an example, you can take a "ball lightning", getting into our World, loses connection, because of such chaotic movements). So, starting with Cheops, the Creator blocks our Mind for violating its Commandments. Man is essentially a computer , embedded in the shell of local aborigines. Looks "abstruse", but I see it this way, and I do not see more than one scientist who would refute my idea. How I miss the cons.
  14. Arkan
    Arkan 27 July 2016 06: 41
    +1
    It is significant that mankurts with Slavic names are engaged in the denial of their identity. We Slavs are the oldest bunk on Earth. We were, We are, We Will !!!
  15. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 27 July 2016 06: 43
    +3
    Then amer-tsev is something completely absent. laughing

    If there were no Slavs (ancients), then there were no Sashaasites (200 years is not a term at all). And since they are not there, they cannot have any interests.
  16. V.ic
    V.ic 27 July 2016 06: 48
    +1
    When the minds of the young "scattered" are reformatted according to Western patterns, the relevance of articles like this will not be lost at all, but people will already be different and will not distinguish noodles on their ears from manna from heaven. Epochs change, and idols also change. They will be firmly convinced, for example, that Brezhnev was a minor politician of the era of Alla Pugacheva.
  17. Bramb
    Bramb 27 July 2016 07: 17
    -1
    Such articles are natural: to compare their European history, which for a day and a half had lived in mud like cattle, not knowing the concepts of hygiene, with Slavic, is the same as comparing a paper children's airplane with a modern fighter. So you have to denigrate another. But where to get the facts? There is only one way out: to say that there were no Slavs and repeat this lie as a prayer several times a day.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 27 July 2016 08: 45
      +1
      Quote: Bramb
      Such articles are natural: to compare their European history, which for a day and a half had lived in mud like cattle, not knowing the concepts of hygiene, with Slavic, is the same as comparing a paper children's airplane with a modern fighter.

      Preserved until наших days, the tradition of migrant Slavs: coming to a new place, the site for housing construction is cleared - and the first thing is cut ... yeah, the bathhouse, in the black, really! Because - it is most needed, and cleans, and treats, and how the warehouse will fit (albeit from the damp forest, first) ...
      This is the Old Believers so in Siberia are moving to new places! Tradition...
      -----------
      A doctor friend recently traveled to Scandinavia, combined the conference with tourism ...
      The Vikings, who inspired fear throughout all of Europe at that time (what was there in this Europe ...), lived peacefully with the Slavs, traded; whoever was older - were hired by warriors to guard trade caravans. True, if the brave Vikings began to bury themselves, mischievous - they received ... tinsel, let's say! So the "huge cities" of the Swedish Vikings with the capital status (or large trading ones) - Birka, Sigtuna, and more ... Big cities ... 500-1000 inhabitants each ... True, neighboring villages in Russia and were more; Well, of course - this is Gardarika, the land of cities! ...
      1. Korax71
        Korax71 8 January 2018 18: 07
        0
        Uncle !!!! and the Vikings initially, if anything, never wars, but the gopniks, albeit excellent sailors. And initially their whole strategy and tactics were based on raids. Europe may have been kept in fear, but from the impudent Saxons shlopotali.da and between themselves then they could not live peacefully.
    2. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 28 July 2016 22: 30
      +1
      its European history, which one and a half days old lived in mud like cattle
      Visit Rome and you will clearly notice the one and a half day buildings. Including public baths.
  18. Darth Revan
    Darth Revan 27 July 2016 07: 23
    +3
    Quote: SarS
    He looked that the Kazakhs were writing about Russian history - the hair stood on end.
    We were wild and backward in their almost slaves, and they are so warlike and wise,


    They still camels grazed in the steppes 100 years ago, so let them shut up! am

    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Germans from the Slavs.


    And they are Slavic roots. They just forgot about it, so now their women and that ... have what they want crying
  19. Erg
    Erg 27 July 2016 07: 56
    +3
    It is not difficult to notice how the continuous process of distorting the history of the twentieth century is going on. Even with living contemporaries ... What can we say about such a long time. Everything is turned upside down there. recourse
  20. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 27 July 2016 08: 04
    0
    It is no secret that the information war against the Slavs and Russians is ongoing, which began hundreds of years ago, but at every turn of history it continues in a new guise

    Here already and as if connected, the patriarch also called the Slavs wild beasts
  21. Basil50
    Basil50 27 July 2016 08: 20
    +2
    The author raised a very interesting topic, thanks to him. That * history * that is taught and which we, in order to obtain a certificate of education, are obliged to teach is compiled very awkwardly and * flaws * are visible to everyone. Here, even in modern RUSSIA, they still claim about the Finno-Ugric people as about the * indigenous * peoples whom the Slavs supplanted. All distortions and outright lies began with the Christianization of Europe and the baptism of the Slavs. HOW there are many examples, many, and relate to different aspects of modernity. They even manage to lie about the events that happened before * our eyes *, and these * bookmarks * of the story are not for us, contemporaries of the event, a little time will pass and what is written will be referred to as historical evidence of an eyewitness. From what is written, they’ll take away what is required * for the current moment * and publish it as the basis of the story, they will most likely deny the rest, and destroy the evidence. What happened in several stages in RUSSIA. They changed history at baptism, then at the strengthening of the Romanovs, then at the SOVIET AUTHORITY, and today these processes continue. You can choose any version of the story, and each has the confirmation of academicians.
  22. Hope1960
    Hope1960 27 July 2016 08: 20
    +2
    First, to dunk our "Minister of Education" head into the Presidential Decree on a unified history textbook, shit for his absence! It is better to study the history of the native land, on television there are more programs on the true history, and not pseudo-series about "detectives" (got it !!!)!
  23. demotivator
    demotivator 27 July 2016 08: 35
    +1
    Quote: Hope1960
    Our "Minister of Education" first head into the Presidential Decree

    No, I think that this will be too soft for him and others like him. Things in our education system are too neglected to continue to endure such an outrage. It seems to me that the Ministry of Education and Science should be abolished. Its management team should be subjected to garbage lustration in full force and dismissed without severance pay. Dismiss everyone who recommended Livanov to the post of minister. Dismiss all those involved in the “reform” project of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
    In exchange, establish a new Ministry of Education and the State Committee for Science and Technology. Recruit decent people from among teachers and scientists who were not noticed in love for Soros textbooks and who did not study at foreign universities.
    And in general, since Turkey is our friend again, we need to look at its experience and learn the hardness and decisiveness of President Erdogan, who, in the guise of the fight against the putschists, also cleaned the education system. Not however, understands the importance of proper education. So in our country it is time to begin the “general cleaning” to clean up the state apparatus from the shameful legacy of Yeltsin, including the entire public education system.
  24. Dr. Sorge
    Dr. Sorge 27 July 2016 08: 40
    +4
    The last stronghold of enlightenment television channel Soyuz. And the state does not support it, it’s easier to spend money on all sorts of presentations, forums and boards, and to watch culture observers to hang mannermeyshes ...
  25. Vladycat
    Vladycat 27 July 2016 08: 42
    +4
    It may, of course, be a bit long, but I will share with you an excerpt from one work of a European monk who was trying to describe the Slavs. If interested, you will find the book yourself. What is highlighted is mine.
    Mavro Orbini
    (1563 (?) - 1610) Slavic kingdom

    "There is nothing surprising (my supportive readers) that the Slavic tribe, now erroneously called the Sklavonian tribe, does not enjoy the fame among historians that it should rightfully
    would have, and his worthy deeds and glorious campaigns are hidden in a dense fog and almost buried in the eternal night of oblivion. Having an abundance of warlike and valiant men, he did not find men learned and educated who, with their writings, would immortalize his name. Other tribes, much inferior to him in their greatness, are now so famous only because they had learned men who glorified them with their writings. "

    "However, Johann Aventine in Book I about the Bavars clearly shows that they were Slavs. He writes:" The ambassadors of the East Germans, whom the historians of that time call Sarmatians and Scythians, arrived at Alexander the Great, we were Wends, and they themselves call themselves Slavs. in the battle, the army of Alexander, they sent twenty ambassadors to him, who informed Alexander about this. ”Quintus Curtius (VII) narrates this as follows:
    ≪ ... their eldest, said: "Do you know where you have come? It is not proper that they do not know us, who live among such vast forests. We cannot serve anyone and do not wish to command. Our gifts are sent to you, so that you know the Scythians; a pair of oxen, a plow, arrows, a peak and a bowl. We use this in communication with friends and against enemies. The fruits obtained by the labor of bulls, we bring to friends; together with them from the cup we pour wine to the gods; with arrows we hit enemies from afar, and with a lance - near. You boast that you came here to persecute the robbers, and you rob all the tribes you have reached ... Sogdians have started the war again. War is born from victories. And although you are considered the greatest and most powerful, no one, however, can tolerate an alien master. Try to go through Tanu, and you will find out how wide it is spread. You will never overtake the Scythians. Our poverty will be faster than your army, carrying with them the booty that has been plundered from so many nations. But when you think that we are far away, you will see us in your camp. Equally swiftly we both pursue and run away. We heard that the Scythian deserts even entered proverbs among the Greeks, but we like desert and uncultivated places more than cities and abundant estates. Therefore, hold your luck tighter, it can slip out, and you won’t hold it against your will. Put a bridle on your happiness: it will be easier to manage it. We are told that luck has no legs, but only hands with feathers: holding out her hands, she does not allow touching the feathers. Finally, if you are a god, you yourself must do good to mortals, and not take away their good. It is foolish to think about why you forget yourself. With whom you will not fight, in those you can find true friends. The strongest friendship happens between equals, and only those who did not measure their strength are considered equal. To those whom you have defeated, you have no faith that they are your friends, for there can be no friendship between a master and a slave; the rights of war are preserved in peacetime. Do not think that the Scythians certify their location with an oath: their vows are to remain faithful. This precaution is customary among the Greeks, who sign treaties and like to invoke the gods. He who does not respect people deceives the gods. And you don't need a friend whose loyalty you might doubt. In us you will surely find the guardians of Asia and Europe. We touch Bactria, where Tana separates it, and beyond Tana we inhabit the lands up to Thrace; and with the Thracian hills and mountains, they say, Macedonia borders. "So spoke the barbarian. The king, contradicting them, answered that he wanted to try his luck, which he used to trust, and only then he would use the advice of those who urge him not to do anything rashly" ...
  26. Velizariy
    Velizariy 27 July 2016 08: 44
    +1
    Quote: raid14
    I recommend such "scientists" to read the book by Mavro Orbini "The Slavic Kingdom" of 1601. before the Peter's historical reform.
    “The Russian people are the most ancient people on earth, from which all other peoples descended. Empire courage of its warriors and the world's best weapons for thousands of years kept the entire universe in obedience and humility. Russians have always owned all of Asia, Africa, Persia, Egypt, Greece, Macedonia, Illyria, Moravia, Slaski land, the Czech Republic, Poland, all the shores of the Baltic Sea, Italy and many other countries and lands.
    “The book is a historiography of the esteem of the name, fame and expansion of the Slavic people. Collected from many historical books, through Mr. Maroubin Archimandrite Raguzhsky. Translated from Italian into Russian and printed ..... at the St. Petersburg Printing House, 1722, August 20th day. "

    And then what happened? Where did all this formidable army go with its most powerful weapons that owned the lands you indicated? Who defeated her and erased her memory? What power has erased this power and all its traces?
  27. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 27 July 2016 08: 49
    +1
    Come on you guys.
    Why is there such a publication on VO?
    Here, Fomenkovschina, Morozovschina, Bushkovschina, etc. are not transferred to the spirit. etc.
    The staggering foundations ..... but not in vain. May the Earth roll over.
    Here the overwhelming mass is firmly convinced that Traditional History is true .... like Marxism-Leninism.
    And everything else is from the evil one.
    ...
    And I, in turn, will take and give a reference -
    ..._
    http://vsluh.net/show-12148-sibirskaya-rus-i-aleksandr-makedonskiy-bylo-ili-ne-b
    ylo.html_

    , where Hyperborean Rus is seriously considered.
    Well, challenge - T-story.
    Either traditional, or stubborn.
    ...
    And there were a lot of such publications, and there will be even more.
    If only athletes from Russia use doping ... and all the rest are white, fluffy bunnies ... then drain the water.
    It is sad.
  28. Engineer
    Engineer 27 July 2016 08: 54
    0
    The author has many emotions and there are no facts at all. Facts are the ruins of megalithic structures on the Kola Peninsula, this is a country of cities in the southern Urals. This is the oldest chariot found in our country. These are the facts that there were developed civilizations. Only no one knows what language they spoke, since no written samples have been found yet. And whether these were Slavs, Proto-Slavs, Aryans - is not known. It is foolish to refer to Tatishchev, since he used written sources of the same tale of bygone years. And let’s say in the Novgorod edition there are already contradictions in the story. And where is the truth? Archaeologists have found too few artifacts and written sources. Why Sumerian civilization is considered the very first - written sources were found. So the question is only time.
    1. Bramb
      Bramb 27 July 2016 10: 43
      +1
      In Tomsk, they began to dig a pit for a new house - they came across an ancient village. According to a number of sources, this could be Grustina. But the land was bought there, the construction terms were agreed, the money was received, the mortgages were taken - in short, they sent archaeologists away (they also promised to feel the faces) and built a house. People need to live.
      So, we don’t know much.
    2. Turkir
      Turkir 27 July 2016 11: 45
      +1
      Why is it silly to refer to Tatishchev?
      Thanks Tatishchev we know a lot. This is a decent and truly Russian man who collected crumbs of many ancient information. And many modern historians are far from him.
      By the word "decency" I mean the scientific decency of Tatishchev.
      And his merit is that to this day he carried a fragment of the Joachim Chronicle, thanks to which it becomes clear that the PVL was created later and used facts that were convenient for southern Russia and the Rurikovichs.
  29. Turkir
    Turkir 27 July 2016 09: 01
    +2
    The article is absolutely true.
    As for the minor injections of some commentators addressed to Klesov, they were made out of ignorance.
    Klyosov has long left the United States and lives in Russia. Professor is a position, not a title.
    He deals with haplogroups and opposes the theory of a "single African mother" of all mankind, as this discovery was replicated in the USA and picked up in "our" media.
    It is interesting that this "discovery" about a single "African mother" was first published not at all in some scientific publication, but in a popular magazine. So, in any case, says Klyosov, and I have no reason not to trust him. At the moment, I do not have at hand Klyosov's book in which there is also the name of this magazine.
    As for Dragunkin, this connoisseur of the English language makes in almost every book sensational discoveries that his colleagues have long known. After staying in the USA, Dragunkin studied the advertising business well. Publicity above all.
    As for Paskov, his manic statements are rather ridiculous.
    Nevertheless, Klyosov is absolutely right when he gives a rebuff to pseudoscientific theories that can fool more than one head.
    Infection needs to be eliminated.
  30. 96423lom
    96423lom 27 July 2016 09: 10
    0
    Nations do not arise from nowhere and do not disappear without a trace. The question to such "historians" is how the largest ethnos in Europe could arise out of nowhere?
  31. ver_
    ver_ 27 July 2016 09: 19
    -1
    Quote: stock buildbat
    The author is now excommunicated from the church. The patriarch said that the Slavs are dirty barbarians, who, in essence, were civilized by Christianization.

    If you listen to the conversation of the Georgians, you will hear ara-ara, which is why the traders say “ares” have arrived. People who do not know the Russian language hear-Var-var. Therefore, if the Invasion of the Barbarian it means only that the invasion of the Slavs. The use of the word Barbarian in the sense of savages is idiocy .. This is exactly what "white and fluffy Europe is sinning," in the fires of the Inquisition of which thousands of people were burned, including Giordano Bruno ..
    1. Velizariy
      Velizariy 27 July 2016 11: 01
      +1
      The Greeks of all non-Greeks were called barbarians, including the Babylonians who were culturally no less developed than the Greeks themselves and even more. And not from the syllables of Var-Var.
  32. Berkut24
    Berkut24 27 July 2016 09: 31
    0
    Europeans will not understand one thing. Which countries are just countries with borders. And Russia is a civilization without borders.
  33. sergo1914
    sergo1914 27 July 2016 09: 38
    0
    I once spoke with an archaeologist. Digging in Veliky Novgorod. When founded, there is an official detail. Unofficially - the cultural layers almost before the Mesozoic. It seems that the dinosaurs still lived there.
    1. potroshenko
      potroshenko 27 July 2016 12: 44
      +1
      Quote: sergo1914
      I once spoke with an archaeologist. Digging in Veliky Novgorod. When founded, there is an official detail. Unofficially - the cultural layers almost before the Mesozoic. It seems that the dinosaurs still lived there.

      Is Veliky Novgorod founded in the Mesozoic? Cultured reptilian layer? laughing fool
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 27 July 2016 14: 34
        +1
        I'm exaggerating this. People lived there long before the official founding date.
  34. demotivator
    demotivator 27 July 2016 09: 49
    0
    Quote from the speech of the governor of the Oryol region of Potomsky: "Ivan the Terrible and his son were traveling from Moscow to St. Petersburg, the son caught a cold on the way, fell ill and died."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvSen50SICc[media=http://https://www.youtube.com
    / watch? v = mvSen50SICc]
    Incidentally, he clearly does not want to sacrifice the Unified State Examination, but he gives blunders at their level. Although the whole governor.
    Potomsky is 43 years old. He graduated from the St. Petersburg Higher Anti-Aircraft Missile Command School, and later from the North-Western Academy of Public Administration with a degree in economics. Until 1998 he served in the army; holds the rank of lieutenant colonel. Then he worked in bureaucratic positions in the Leningrad region.
    In February 2014, Vladimir Putin appointed Potomsky acting Oryol Governor. In September of that year, Potomsky was declared the winner of gubernatorial elections.
  35. Bramb
    Bramb 27 July 2016 10: 28
    +3
    It is enough to see how the West is reinterpreting modern history, denigrating the Russians and posing as our victories for them, to understand: they always did that! Their entire version of the story is false from beginning to end.
    By the way: the story that we study / whether in schools is rewritten by the Germans. Therefore, there are so many inconsistencies in it, huge white spots. And not a word about why Great Byzantium paid tribute to the supposedly wild barbarians - our ancestors. They removed such a small nuance: the country captured half the world, but it itself pays tribute ... to the barbarians, huh.)))
  36. Operator
    Operator 27 July 2016 11: 06
    +1
    1. Slavs, Germans, Celts, Finno-Ugric, Turks, Indo-Iranians, Semites, etc. clearly differ from each other in the gene pool. In addition, there are peoples with very mixed gene pools - Hispanics, Bulgarians, Anglo-Saxons, Estonians, Spaniards, Romanians, Turks, Egyptians, etc.

    Another thing is that along with gene pools, peoples also have languages.

    There are cases when the gene pool and the language coincide - for example, Russians (with a few percent of the Turkic and Finno-Ugric gene pools), Germans (with a few percent of the Slavic gene pool), Japanese, Chinese, Semites, Persians.

    There are cases when the gene pool and languages ​​do not coincide completely - for example, Bulgarians (half of the Slavic and Turkic gene pools, Slavic language), Anglo-Saxons (three quarters of the Celtic gene pool, German language), Estonians (about one quarter of Finnish, German, Baltic and Slavic gene pools, Finnish), Spaniards (gene pool of a third of the Celts, Germans and Semites, Latin), Turks (gene pool - Indo-Iranian with an admixture of Türks, Türkic language).

    There are cases when the gene pool and the language do not completely coincide - for example, Filipinos (Asian gene pool, Spanish), Haitians (African gene pool, French).

    As a rule, the most stable people who have a coincidence of the gene pool and the language are Russians, Germans, Semites, Chinese, Persians, Mongols, Japanese. The rest all the time in search of self-identification - for example, Bulgarians (they are Slavs, then Bulgars), Anglo-Saxons (they are Angles and Saxons, then Britons, then Normans), French (then they are Franks, then Gauls), Latinos (then they Spaniards, then Indians).


    2. It is believed that the area from which the spread of Slavs throughout Europe began in the 2-3 centuries AD is the territory of present Belarus, northern Ukraine and the west of Russia. Where the Slavs came from is a separate question.

    From this region, the Slavs moved west, occupying the territory of future Poland, the Czech Republic, Moravia, Slovakia and East Germany, south to the future Yugoslavia, Romania, Greece and Bulgaria, east to the future Muscovy and north to the future lands of Veliky Novgorod.

    After conflicts with resettled neighbors (Germans) and local residents (Greeks, Romanes), the Slavs were ousted or assimilated in East Germany, Greece and Romania. After the invasion of the Bulgars, the Slavs were half assimilated in Bulgaria. In the rest of Europe, previously settled by the Slavs, they make up the majority of the gene pool and language.

    Later, the Slavs settled in the Black Sea region, the North Caucasus, the Volga region, the Urals, Northern Kazakhstan, Siberia and the Far East, where they now dominate in terms of the gene pool and language.


    3. When a certain Bulgarian in his native Slavic language (vocabulary, phonetics, grammar, syntax) requires additional evidence that he is a Slav, then he should be advised to start switching to the Turkic language (in the Bulgarian version).
    1. Azer Hasanli
      Azer Hasanli 6 August 2016 18: 59
      -1
      It is not a shame to lie saying: "There are cases when the gene pool and language coincide - for example, Russians (with several percent of the Turkic and Finno-Ugric gene pools)." No, most of the Russians are Turks, forcibly Slavized by the tsars of Russia, starting from the 18th century. The smaller part of the Russians are Ugro-Finns. There are even fewer Slavs hiding in the western forests, where the Turkic cavalry did not pass. In the north of Russia, the names are entirely Finno-Ugric, including Moscow. to the south of Moscow there is a continuous Turkic zone. It is a great honor to have Turkic roots. Stop presenting your unfounded and poor Slavic fantasies. Hasanli. Azerbaijan.
  37. Oleg Monarchist
    Oleg Monarchist 27 July 2016 11: 51
    +2
    Quote: stock buildbat
    The author is now excommunicated from the church. The patriarch said that the Slavs are dirty barbarians, who, in essence, were civilized by Christianization.

    Quote: Tusv
    Quote: stock buildbat
    Slavs are dirty barbarians,

    No, the Patriarch is wrong, the Slavs were never dirty. Barbarian beauty, a long braid, and Yaroslavna taught to wash Europe


    You ought to read "Stroibat Reserve" less to read the liberal press and pseudo-Chudin pseudo-historians praising the "#RODnykh gods". You, gentlemen, would ask about which Slavs we are talking about, not at all about the Russians, because Cyril and Methodius were not on the territory of Russia, they were in Moravia (which included the territories of Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, part of Poland, Silesia (part Germany) and Transcarpathia), it was these Slavs that were discussed, and not at all about the Russians. You should not reflect on the topic "if the Slavs, then the Russians." All Russians are Slavs, but not all Slavs are Russian. The Poles and the Croats are also Slavs, but they are fair-minded.
    Now, regarding the word "barbarian" (by the way, it is correct to say "barbar"). This word is not an analogy for "German fascist barbarians" laughing it just means "not speaking Greek." By the way, the word "German" can be considered a synonym for the word "barbarian", as it means "dumb", "indistinctly speaking (muttering)", "foreigner" - in one word "barbarian".
    And the word "dirty" was not there, don't make it up. And yes, the Greeks, like the Romans, considered everyone who did not speak Greek or Latin as barbarians - both the Germans and the Franks (French) and the Anglo-Saxons and other Scandinavians. laughing
    1. ver_
      ver_ 27 July 2016 12: 39
      0
      "Conan the Barbarian" ... doesn't talk about anything? ..
      1. Oleg Monarchist
        Oleg Monarchist 27 July 2016 12: 46
        0
        Quote: ver_
        "Conan the Barbarian" ... doesn't talk about anything? ..


        What should I talk about? what
      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL 27 July 2016 14: 03
        +3
        Quote: ver_
        "Conan the Barbarian" ... doesn't talk about anything? ..

        Only about the author - science fiction writer (in the style of heroic fantasy) Roberta Howard ...
    2. Velizariy
      Velizariy 27 July 2016 13: 12
      +3
      You were even given a minus for the arguments!))) Do not try to prove something to them and catch them on a lie) They just want to be great and ancient ... And reading the nonsense of these longing for antiquity and greatness, the conclusion about the abilities of their thinking suggests itself.
      As someone from truly ancient and great said: "The slave does not want to find freedom; he wants to have his own slaves." Thirst for grandeur and antiquity from the same "opera".
      PS It is important not who you were, but who you are now.
      1. Oleg Monarchist
        Oleg Monarchist 27 July 2016 14: 03
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        Quote: Velizariy
        You were even given a minus for the arguments!))) Do not try to prove something to them and catch them on a lie) They just want to be great and ancient ... And reading the nonsense of these longing for antiquity and greatness, the conclusion about the abilities of their thinking suggests itself.
        As someone from truly ancient and great said: "The slave does not want to find freedom; he wants to have his own slaves." Thirst for grandeur and antiquity from the same "opera".
        PS It is important not who you were, but who you are now.


        The fact that you can't prove anything is understandable, I didn't even doubt it. But ... real nationality is not determined by DNA and haplogroups. In Grozny, I talk with one captured "organism", looks like a Russian (the Chechens really have enough of them), speaks Russian, and even according to the passport (still the USSR) is also Russian. Well, this "organism" carries the usual song for his kind "Russian dogs, invaders, etc." I say, you are Russian, he - I am a Chechen, I am a Muslim. I say, we take your Ausweis, what is written? Ivanov Ivan Ivanovich, nationality - Russian. Not a fig, he says, I was born here, grew up, I am Muslim, Chechen, noh-cho. That's it. And he wanted to spit on haplogroups and DNA and on the reflections of Klesov and Paskov. laughing
  38. prior
    prior 27 July 2016 12: 04
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    Return to the past and probably know what and how it was, no one is able. And that means any opinion will be in
    to some extent biased.
    The past cannot be changed, but easily perverted. What Western "professors" actually do,
    anyone other than "scratching Honduras" has nothing to do.
  39. Oleg Monarchist
    Oleg Monarchist 27 July 2016 13: 26
    0
    Crazy little article, in the spirit of "Ahnenerbe". Where did this guano come from and who? It is also necessary to measure the skull, and then what evidence about the "Aryans, Vedas and # RADNYKHBAGA" without measuring the skull. laughing Out of order laughing
    The half-dumb Klyosov puffs up to prove to the half-dumb Plamen Paskov that he, Klesov, exists, fantasizes about DNA, haplogroups, and so on. And if Klesov were Russian, then he would say "com tsu mir, meine kleine freund Paskoff, I'll knock and see if the Slavs in general and Russians in particular are invented or not"
  40. ver_
    ver_ 27 July 2016 15: 37
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    Quote: Bashibuzuk
    Come on you guys.
    Why is there such a publication on VO?
    Here, Fomenkovschina, Morozovschina, Bushkovschina, etc. are not transferred to the spirit. etc.
    The staggering foundations ..... but not in vain. May the Earth roll over.
    Here the overwhelming mass is firmly convinced that Traditional History is true .... like Marxism-Leninism.
    And everything else is from the evil one.
    ...
    And I, in turn, will take and give a reference -
    ..._
    http://vsluh.net/show-12148-sibirskaya-rus-i-aleksandr-makedonskiy-bylo-ili-ne-b

    ylo.html_

    , where Hyperborean Rus is seriously considered.
    Well, challenge - T-story.
    Either traditional, or stubborn.
    ...
    And there were a lot of such publications, and there will be even more.
    If only athletes from Russia use doping ... and all the rest are white, fluffy bunnies ... then drain the water.
    It is sad.

    .. Totally agree with you. School zombies are not in vain. And they don’t know how to think on their own, and they don’t want to, they don’t even look into the search, at least write in the eyes-all one is the dew of God .. They will put pressure minus ..
  41. lesnik1978
    lesnik1978 27 July 2016 17: 17
    +1
    I totally agree! Correctly write Slovene. In 1618, the first primer was published in the city of Orsha (Belarus recently celebrated 400 fly primer. It was called like this: the primer of the Slavonic language. Cover photo in the newspaper "Soviet Belorussia". Note the language, not the mother-of-cows!
  42. Oleg Monarchist
    Oleg Monarchist 27 July 2016 17: 29
    +1
    I found a video of this Flame Paskov, where he argues that the Bulgarians are not Slavs, because slave and sklavus means a slave. laughing We have the Arabs so called and nothing ... Because if you engage in linguistic friction, then ARBAB is A (this) SLAVE laughing And yet, why should they believe him, because he is not a professional historian (such as paid), but a real independent veterinarian laughing Well, it's like a gynecologist (and what, there are also "pipes") laughing

    Paskov's page on VK https://new.vk.com/id89803511

    In general, if citizen Paskov does not want to consider himself and the Bulgarians Slavs, then this is his problem. One word is Romanian.

    1. Awaz
      Awaz 27 July 2016 22: 36
      +2
      In principle, we can agree that the Bulgarians are not Slavs. Well, once upon a time Slavs lived in this territory, but as a result of wars and migrations, the male population was most likely destroyed and the female was used by the conquerors for their intended purpose. Children born from Slavic mothers are primarily mother tongue ... However, western Ukraine was also processed. There were NO real and strong men there, they cut them out or they surrendered themselves. So then the Slavs and half-breeds mixed with different conquerors did not grow up on these lands anymore.
      The Russians, unlike such peoples, turned out to be charisma and willpower, and managed
      1. Operator
        Operator 27 July 2016 22: 56
        +1
        The gene pool of the population of Ukraine is completely identical to the gene pool of the population of Belarus, Chernozemye and the Center of Russia, with the exception of an increased share of Turkic impurities (2 instead of 1,5 percent due to millenary border contact with the Khazars, Polovtsy and Crimean Khanate) and a reduced share of Finno-Ugric impurities (2 instead of 3 percent) .

        Slovenes - residents of Novgorod, Pskov, Vologda and Arkhangelsk differ from this bulk of Russians. Genetically, Slovenes represent another branch of the Eastern Slavs, but their language and culture are historically common.

        Half-breeds in Ukraine are only among a part of the urban population of the south of the country - due to the mixing of Russians with Jews who were evicted in the Russian Empire to the Pale of Settlement.
        1. Awaz
          Awaz 29 July 2016 08: 55
          0
          the entire right-bank territory of present-day Ukraine was at one time either slaughtered or stolen by the Turks. Although these territories were fueled by Poland and Russia by fresh Slavic blood, the Turkish and Jewish influence is enormous on the gene pool. You just look at the same Bulgarians and the Ukrainians. Ukrainians are even worse poorly you can somehow comb the Slavs, but the Bulgarians look one hundred percent Turks, however, like the rest of the Mediterranean Slavs.
          1. Operator
            Operator 29 July 2016 12: 30
            0
            The data of the gene pool (the presence of the haplogroup R1a1) of the majority of the population of right-bank Ukraine do not confirm your guess. A special issue is the port cities of southern Ukraine (with the exception of Crimea), but this is the case in any state.

            The phenotype (appearance) still does not mean anything, as belonging to the people is determined by the dominant gene, and not by the accompanying ones.

            For example, according to the dominant haplogroup (51 percent of the gene pool), the Pashtuns of Afghanistan and Pakistan belong to the Slavs. The remaining 49 percent of the gene pool is Indo-Iranian genes. For the highest castes of India, R1a1 is 47 percent, for the ruling clan of Saudi Arabia - over 50 percent.

            Moreover, the phenotypes of Pashtuns, Indians and Arabs are clearly different from the Russian phenotype, with the exception of rare cases of local residents with blond hair and blue eyes (when R1a1 predominates for both father and mother).
            1. Azer Hasanli
              Azer Hasanli 7 August 2016 10: 21
              0
              Stop dealing with demagogy and falsification. What is your falsification? The fact that you clearly and intentionally underestimate the Turkic share of both Ukrainians and Russians. Namely, such forgers as a sign of Turkic appeal to the genotype of Kazakhs or Kyrgyz with a significant part of Mongoloidity. But the true genotype of the Turks has nothing to do with the Mongoloids. True ancient Turks were typical Caucasians, such as the same red-haired Caucasoid, the great conqueror Chingiz Khan. Therefore, the Scythians, which are indicated in the genotype of the Russians, were Türks. The entire ancient population of the Great Steppe of Eurasia is the Turks, only from the north do Finno-Finns adjoin them. Russians and especially Ukrainians are mainly Turks, forcibly Slavicized and Christianized by the German tsars of Russia. And then the Slavs? Azerbaijani Hasanli. Azerbaijan.
  43. Vixen
    Vixen 27 July 2016 22: 24
    0
    Deprive a graduate nafig! And lock in the library - let Tatishcheva study!
    1. ver_
      ver_ 28 July 2016 13: 00
      0
      Let them dance from the stove .. Let them read the New Chronology of research up to the vigorous Feni .., with all the calculations and analysis - using the mathematical apparatus and astronomical observations .. That’s how they found the year of Christ’s birth and established who it is ..
  44. Oleg Monarchist
    Oleg Monarchist 28 July 2016 17: 39
    0
    Quote: ver_
    Let them dance from the stove .. Let them read the New Chronology of research up to the vigorous Feni .., with all the calculations and analysis - using the mathematical apparatus and astronomical observations .. That’s how they found the year of Christ’s birth and established who it is ..


    I looked into your "New Chronology" .... a history textbook for schizophrenics.
    1. ver_
      ver_ 29 July 2016 13: 52
      0
      ... apparently this topic about schizophrenia is well known to you, were treated for this sore, who sho? ..
  45. ver_
    ver_ 29 July 2016 16: 21
    0
    Phaistos disc, island of Crete, XVII century. BC e. Decryption and translation (from Proto-Slavic) of Gennady Grinevich:
    Side A:
    You will not consider past sorrows, but present sorrows are bitter. In a new place you will feel them. Together. What did the Lord send you? Place in the world of God. Disagreements of the past do not count. Place in the world of God that God sent you, surround in close rows. Protect him day and night: not a place - a will. Please make him happy.
    Her children are still alive, knowing whose they are in this world of God.

    Side b

    We will live again. There will be a service to God. Everything will be in the past - we will forget who we are. Where you will be, the children will be, the fields will be, a wonderful life - we will forget who we are. There is a child - there are bonds - we will forget who we are. What to consider, my God! Rysiyuniya enchants eyes. You won’t get anywhere from her, you won’t be cured. Not once will we hear: whose will you be, trotters, that honors are for you; helmets in curls; talk about you.
    Not yet, we will be her, in this world of God.
    Source: http://relgros.su/osn_soderj_426_760_892.html

    I don’t understand why the national minorities gave out two minuses for this information to the mountain, Chi toad crushing, Chi sho ..
  46. Azer Hasanli
    Azer Hasanli 6 August 2016 10: 12
    0
    Russians and Slavs - are these concepts identical? In no case. Both the history of Eurasia and genetics scream that Russians cannot be identified as Slavs. Back in the USSR period, ethnographic books contain an allegedly typical Slavic image of a narrow-bent man with low-set eyes in the absence of an eye fold, typical for Russians. Now look around you and see that most Russian wide-cheekbones with a developed fold in front of your eyes. Are these Slavs? Eurasia has been populated by Turkic Europeans since ancient times, from which Scythians, Sakas and many other tribes originate, which were completely unjustifiably classified as Iranian-speaking for political purposes. Modern genetic research in Russia proves precisely the Turkic origin of the majority of Russians, a small part of which belongs to the Ugro-Finns, even fewer Russians can be attributed to the Slavs. The Slavs appeared in Eurasia only in the second half of the first millennium AD. The Slavs settled only the western outskirts of Russia. And still there are no native Slavs in the central regions of Russia.
    In the 18th century, the German tsars of Russia decided to record the entire population of Russia by the Slavs. That's how they created Slavic-Russians out of nothing. Azerbaijani Hasanli. Azerbaijan.
  47. ver_
    ver_ 28 January 2018 15: 05
    0
    Quote: 4-th Paradise
    Quote: ver_
    .. Recover, my dear, .. Mongolia was founded in 1920 .. What kind of Mongols do you speak of in the 13th century and the salvation of Europe from them? Do you even figure this out. The Mongols and the Mughals are two different hypostases .. They called Russia Mughal ..

    another fomenoid ... The united state of the Mongols appeared more than 800 years ago and it does not matter what it was called then. You are not even trying to understand such a simple thing that you cannot take the words of a foreign language simply by consonance with your native language. Personally, I realized this when I was 8 years old and learned a slight shock when I tried to learn English myself ...

    ... search to help you ... Mongolia is a piece of China, * bitten * in the twenties of the 19th century by the government of Ulyanov Lenin .. and named the Mongolian People's Republic .. - this is the year * of the birth * of the nation and nationality of Mongolia .. Search to help you .. And no one could have expected before that time that such a people would appear .. Mongols in the 13th century - a fake ..