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And again about the doping scandal: sport as an element of anti-Russian propaganda

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Before you sort the countries by the percentage of positive doping samples (according to WADA):

And again about the doping scandal: sport as an element of anti-Russian propaganda


Yes, yes, part of the Russian national team was dismissed for less than 1% positive samples. National teams with higher rates quietly continue to participate in competitions on general terms.

And these 0,91% Western sports organizations and the media, and with them our “liberal” bloggers and “free-thinking” Internet communities, are called “total doping use” and are trying to present the only reason for Russia's victory at the Sochi Olympics and sufficient grounds for exclusion. from future competitions, trying to devalue the honest work of hundreds of our athletes.

They are happy to use the opportunity to justify the unexpected sporting triumph of Russia on OI-2014, creating a template for the Russian athlete as a fraudster, able to win only under the influence of prohibited drugs.

In pursuit of ratings and likes (and therefore profit), numerous entertaining communities gladly pick up pictures about “Russian crooks”, voluntarily or involuntarily becoming one more gear in the propaganda machine mechanism and spreading the cliches acceptable to it among a wide audience.

examples:



It is noteworthy that many users who usually flaunt their "critical thinking" without any extra questions "hawk" content and actively like and repost new "memchiki", in fact swallowing an insult to their own country (and, therefore, to themselves), and even experiencing pleasure from it. Alas, not everyone is trying to really understand the situation.

We are witnessing how sport, as if during the Cold War, is becoming another element of political and informational confrontation. But now we have no mechanisms capable of effectively resisting it. Any rebuttal always remains in the shadow of the original informational stuffing. Despite the presence of clear evidence to the contrary, the stereotype about the dishonesty of the Russian sport will linger in the public consciousness for a long time.

Link to the report, the data of which are given in the table and graph: https://www.wada-ama.org/en/resources/general-anti-doping-information/2014-anti-doping-rule-violations-adrvs-report.
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  1. Andrey K
    Andrey K 27 July 2016 09: 36
    +42
    Yes. That's right. Torture us. Apply double standards.
    Or maybe stop complaining.
    We ourselves got involved in these dances to the tune of someone else ...
    I put myself in the place of our sports functionaries ...
    WADA under the "jurisdiction" of the United States, headquartered in Canada. Not allowed lists are adopted for the needs of US "athletes" ...
    The IOC is headquartered in Switzerland, funded by "private owners", television companies and sponsors, we read correctly - funding is carried out under US control ...
    Rio Olympics sponsors: Visa, Coca-Cola, McDonald's, Samsung and Procter & Gamble - US companies ...
    Someone has illusions about decisions made and our ability to influence them ...
    Why "sprinkling ashes on the head" ...
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 27 July 2016 09: 58
      +3
      . voluntarily or involuntarily becoming another gear

      Not a gear but a six ....
      willingly or unwittingly

      Underline whatever applicable...
    2. DMB_95
      DMB_95 27 July 2016 10: 32
      +8
      Quote: Andrey K
      Yes. That's right. Torture us. Apply double standards.
      Or maybe stop complaining.
      We ourselves got involved in these dances to the tune of someone else ..

      It's time, loudly slamming the door, to leave "these dances to someone else's tune." We need powerful informational work, designed primarily for our citizens, so that there is no doubt within the country that the truth belongs to Russia. And abroad, in any case, all possible and not possible sins are hung on Russia. Even if we present irrefutable evidence of our correctness, they will immediately be declared a lie. Why are our athletes, leaders, and the whole country now suffering humiliation from some pitiful sports officials from across the hill? For some of our athletes to go to this "Olympics" and still take a few medals under the whistle and condemnation. And they will immediately (or a little later) "discover" doping and raise another anti-Russian wave of accusations. You need to have national pride, which is more valuable than any awards.
    3. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 27 July 2016 10: 33
      +10
      Quote: Andrey K
      WADA under the "jurisdiction" of the United States, headquartered in Canada. Not allowed lists are adopted for the needs of US "athletes" ...


      And if we add here that WADA is demanding (!?) Mutko's resignation and is going to start its investigation into our sports officials, it turns out in general: "oil painting"!
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 27 July 2016 11: 02
        +7
        Although it is vague, but it is necessary to send them to the address known to us.
      2. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 27 July 2016 16: 24
        0
        Quote: B.T.W.
        And if we add here that WADA is demanding (!?) Mutko's resignation and is going to start its investigation into our sports officials, it turns out in general: "oil painting"!

        Are you satisfied with Minister Mutko and his "subjects"? How OUR government framed Our athletes may be worthy of a criminal investigation, in Russia.

        Quote: DMB_95
        ... One must have national pride, which is more expensive than any awards.

        When I was 10, I read a book. I don’t remember the title of the book, nor the author, I don’t know if it’s true. But, the feat, the courage of a simple Mexican youth remained in my memory. "Boy for a beat", "pear" in training took part in the professional boxing championship. And he won, despite the cheating of the arbiters and the meanness of the enemy. He fought for a prize - for money that could buy weapons for the Mexican revolution.
        I don’t know what would be done in the national team. By my nature, I would rather refuse to participate.
        An article proving that the scandal surrounding our team has nothing to do with sports. And the minister’s criminal inaction.
        PS "MOSCOW, July 27 - RIA Novosti. The situation with Russian athletes has gone beyond the legal framework and common sense, short-sighted politicians do not leave sports alone, said Russian President Vladimir Putin."
        Well, I didn’t know before.
        1. Igluxnumx
          Igluxnumx 27 July 2016 20: 54
          +1
          Jack London. "Mexican"
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 27 July 2016 21: 33
            0
            Quote: Iglu40
            Jack London. "Mexican"

            Thank! reminded. It would be necessary to re-read, remember children's emotions
        2. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 27 July 2016 21: 48
          0
          The only Russian athlete to travel to Rio de Janeiro was the long jumper Daria Klishina. She took doping tests in the USA.
          250 Russian athletes are allowed to participate in the Olympics in Rio de Janeiro by international sports federations. This was stated by the head of the Russian Olympic Committee (ROC) Alexander Zhukov on the air of the Russia-24 television channel.

          https://news.rambler.ru/sport/34300935-nazvano_kolichestvo_dopuschennyh_na_olimp
          iadu_sportsmenov_rf /
          So, according to Zhukov, Klishina is worthy to appear under the Russian flag. Shame!
        3. Zulu_S
          Zulu_S 28 July 2016 03: 25
          +1
          Quote: There was a mammoth

          About 10 years old I read a book. I don’t remember the name of the book or the author, I don’t know, is it true.

          Posted by Jack London. The story is called "The Mexican".
          *** So the books you need
          You read in childhood! *** V. Vysotsky, "The Ballad of Struggle".
    4. afrikanez
      afrikanez 27 July 2016 15: 17
      0
      There is! Mutko - from the word "muddy", here's the answer! Until there is a normal Russian leadership in sports, we seem to remain on the "side" roles and not only in sports!
  2. viktorrymar
    viktorrymar 27 July 2016 09: 37
    +17
    All this is shameful somehow, I would refuse such a paid Olympiad ... Bitterly and ashamed, we are humiliated like the guilty ...
    1. Flinky
      Flinky 27 July 2016 09: 40
      +1
      Crying about humiliation - they do not win.
      If Zhukov wept about the humiliations of the Red Army instead of defending fiercely near Moscow, we would not even be born. But you were born and are now crying like a child. Ugh.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 27 July 2016 09: 53
        +2
        Quote: Flinky
        But you were born and now cry like a baby. Ugh.

        Probably the most valuable quality that we have is incredible patience. It is not known what it will pour out to the West
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 27 July 2016 11: 03
          +1
          It is known, or, as usual, by the next lyuli, or the end of the world.
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 27 July 2016 10: 35
        +10
        Zhukov fought with the Nazis according to one rule ... But here our team was simply reduced by 90% under far-fetched pretexts ... Who should fight? They stupidly block us and prevent us from participating ...
        I would provide these facts about the amount of doping identified in Russia and other countries and until common rules are created for everyone and control over all is not the same. REFUSED TO PARTICIPATE IN OLYMPIADS ... Sports can be developed domestically and open competitions can be held in Russia. .. It’s better to pay money to your athletes and your coaches than to participate in this stupid performance ...
        Why put up with this nonsense and outright mockery ?! Look even at how Eurovision went !!! What objectivity ?! What are you talking about?
        People have been preparing for years for the sake of what, on the charges of some devils who had been caught earlier in doping in Russia and removed from the competition, now someone behind the hill removed our athletes for no reason and no reason ...
        I don’t need such an olympiad ...
        1. marl
          marl 27 July 2016 11: 28
          +3
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          And here our team was simply reduced by 90% under far-fetched pretexts ...

          They threw out precisely those species for which we could have the largest number of medals.
          It did not work to grab the tail completely, cut it into pieces.
          It was six months to adequately answer. It was possible to prepare and conduct a public opinion poll, a referendum, in the end, on the subject of participation or boycott of this event, which is doubtful for our state, and not to give everything to sports functionaries who showed their complete failure in a critical situation.
          It would be better if they donated considerable sponsorship contributions to charity and the development of healthy children's sports within the country, and did not throw them away at this Olympiad, which had long ceased to be a symbol of a healthy lifestyle, turning into another lever of pressure on those who were objectionable.
          The next step will be the Paralympics, and then the World Cup on the way.
          I don’t understand who needs a olympiad. But it’s a shame for the state.
          1. Army soldier2
            Army soldier2 27 July 2016 13: 12
            +1
            They threw out precisely those species for which we could have the largest number of medals.

            For example, synchronized swimming and rhythmic gymnastics.
            Stop howling like a woman! The Anglo-Saxons want to remove us from the Olympics, and half in VO agree with them and consider themselves notebook patriots.
            We must participate in the Olympics, win and fight with all sorts of WADA and IAAF!
            1. marl
              marl 27 July 2016 16: 42
              -2
              Quote: Army 2
              Stop howling like a woman!

              Stop hysteria, my dear. Here, in VO, there are a lot of women, and each of us is able to answer you not in a womanish way.
              Quote: Army 2
              We must participate in the Olympics, win and fight with all sorts of WADA and IAAF!

              You have a secret plan of how our synchronized synchronists and gymnasts will fight with all sorts of WADA on the sidelines of the Olympics in Rio? Do not share?
              Previously, it was necessary to fight, but now it's too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have failed. The first place is provided to us, in terms of the number of doping samples that will torment our athletes.
              1. Army soldier2
                Army soldier2 27 July 2016 17: 38
                +1
                Do you have a secret plan how our synchronized gymnasts and gymnasts will fight with all sorts of WADA in the fields of the Rio Olympics? Do not share?

                You can’t be so limited! Athletes must compete. And the Ministry of Sports, the federation, and the entire state apparatus, by and large, must fight for our athletes. Is this blonde not available?
                1. marl
                  marl 27 July 2016 18: 02
                  -2
                  Quote: Army 2
                  You can’t be so limited!

                  Of course you can’t. And you must be able to read. If you, dear, carefully read my first comment (I will repeat specifically for you)
                  and not give everything to sports functionaries who have shown their complete failure in a critical situation.
                  then you would not have to bother writing the following sentence:
                  And the Ministry of Sports, the federation, and the entire state apparatus, by and large, must fight for our athletes.
                  Or did you invest some deeper meaning, but because of my limitations and blondes, I didn’t catch this?
                  Yes, and don’t forget to me out! Good luck wink
        2. Zulu_S
          Zulu_S 28 July 2016 03: 37
          -1
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          I don’t need such an olympiad ...

          Do not participate. TV OFF. What have you done to participate in it? How much sweat shed? How much effort did you spend? What would change if you participated in it?
    2. hirurg
      hirurg 27 July 2016 09: 42
      +10
      No need to participate. And to spite everyone try to do everything.
      1. DMB_95
        DMB_95 27 July 2016 10: 58
        +2
        Quote: hirurg
        No need to participate. And to spite everyone try to do everything.

        Well, our athletes will make them by clenching their teeth, under the hooting of the duped crowd in the stands. And then doping will be "suddenly discovered" in their samples and their victory will be declared illegal.
      2. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 27 July 2016 11: 22
        +9
        Quote: hirurg
        No need to participate. And to spite everyone try to do everything.


        Do what ?!
        Well, our synchronized women are doing everything as usual, and then what ?! There is no athletics, from the word at all. There are practically no rowers and swimmers ... Who will do it ?! And if they do, where is the guarantee of honest refereeing and where is the guarantee that they will not find dope afterwards in order to take away medals with shame ?!

        To participate in this farce called "Olympic Games", no thank you! And the athletes who have neither honor nor conscience, let them perform under the "Olympic" flag, let them change their citizenship, there is nothing to shame Russia! I repeat, these "games" are pure FARS and participation in it only humiliates Russia and its athletes!
        1. Army soldier2
          Army soldier2 27 July 2016 13: 17
          +1
          To participate in this farce called "Olympic Games", no thank you! And the athletes who have neither honor nor conscience, let them perform under the "Olympic" flag, let them change their citizenship, there is nothing to shame Russia!

          It should be understood that you are the main in assessing honor and conscience? Or maybe you yourself have a problem with these qualities, since you sing along to the Anglo-Saxons?
    3. gamer
      gamer 27 July 2016 09: 45
      +8
      Indeed, to send this political olympiad to hell and boycott their sponsors (all kinds of sucking samsungs), one would probably have sung differently!
      1. asiat_61
        asiat_61 27 July 2016 22: 27
        -1
        Throw out the computer. It is from all sorts of Samsung. Measure the temperature, pressure.
    4. Serg koma
      Serg koma 27 July 2016 12: 11
      +2
      Quote: viktorrymar
      Somehow shameful all this

      Russia and the USA are approximately equal in terms of the number of athletes. Russia has made more than 12 thousand. samples, but not less than 8 thousand. (57% of the Russian "result") If you conduct a universal, as in Russia "test" for doping, by how many% will the number of "drug addicts" in the US Olympic team increase? And what about other Western "well-wishers"?

      PS The teams of the PRC and the FRG stand apart, either they learned to "hide", or (in particular, the FRG) "burned on milk, they are blowing on water"
    5. Zulu_S
      Zulu_S 28 July 2016 03: 30
      -1
      Any "couch Olympian" has a real opportunity to refuse to participate in the Olympics. Very simple: don't turn on the TV.
  3. Flinky
    Flinky 27 July 2016 09: 39
    +2
    And why the heck to us this "mass consciousness"? Who said that one should pay attention to the thoughts of rams who do not remember kinship?
    1. kolyhalovs
      kolyhalovs 27 July 2016 09: 53
      +6
      And why the heck to us this "mass consciousness"?

      Cool. Whether you like it or not, you and I are an integral part of that very "mass consciousness". You can try to change it, you can not try, but it is impossible to get rid of it as long as there are at least three people on earth who can communicate. And you can't ignore it either, because in this way you simply get rid of problems. Ultimately, "rams, not remembering kinship" will come, if not for you, then for your children. They will come in a friendly flock.
    2. viktorrymar
      viktorrymar 27 July 2016 09: 55
      +14
      for flinky But you were born and now cry like a baby. Ugh.


      Well, firstly, I don’t need to poke, I’m not your brother or friend.
      And secondly, the endless excuse for this gang of paid jackals, not being guilty, causes me only disgust. To take part in all this is simply to get dirty.

      If Zhukov cried about the humiliations of the Red Army instead of fiercely defending itself near Moscow, we would not even have been born


      I didn’t understand this at all, comparing the defense of the Motherland with participation in games defamed by politics is certainly strong. Your football players have long lost their dignity, your athletes seek the Olympics mostly because of a career, and not in order to defend the honor of the Country,
      And finally, show me that Zhukov who will lead the Russian national team and will fiercely defend himself (from whom? From what?) ...
      My grandfather fought for me.
      1. qQQQ
        qQQQ 27 July 2016 10: 12
        +7
        Quote: viktorrymar
        And secondly, the endless excuse for this gang of paid jackals, not being guilty, causes me only disgust. To take part in all this is simply to get dirty.


        I support. The implied participation of our athletes in the Olympics, and on absolutely humiliating conditions, but we have fought all our history for the right to be equal, paid for this right with tens of millions of lives, and here some officials themselves relegated us to the category of "subhuman". I will not watch.
        1. pimen
          pimen 27 July 2016 13: 14
          -2
          Well, maybe in ancient centuries, in the absence of championships in certain sports, the Olympics made sense ... But today is a tedious event crumpled into one pile, for a lot of money, for a limited period of time? ..
        2. Goodmen
          Goodmen 27 July 2016 13: 18
          +1
          I will not watch.

          I like to watch the Olympic Games. But I agree with you. I won’t either. It was necessary to refuse to participate in them. Athletes certainly feel sorry, but there should be pride.
          And disband the bureaucratic apparatus from sports, as they did with the football team! There is no sense anyway, so why feed them ?!
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      3. Volodin Dmitry
        Volodin Dmitry 27 July 2016 16: 07
        0
        Thank! Personally, I liked your comment.
  4. BARKAS
    BARKAS 27 July 2016 09: 40
    +23
    As Isinbaeva said, the protection of our athletes was zero, so I have more questions for our officials than for WADA.
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 27 July 2016 10: 24
      +3
      Quote: BARKAS
      so I have more questions for our officials than for WADA.

      But does anyone have doubts that our sports officials do not solve the problems of athletes, but their own?
    2. Erg
      Erg 27 July 2016 10: 45
      +2
      Quote: BARKAS
      I have more questions for our officials than for WADA.

      Some crooks ran into others.
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 27 July 2016 11: 07
      0
      I have long been saying that all our problems are from the treacherous and parasitic social system in the country. Well, they will not stand in defense of the interests of our Motherland with their offshore accounts and villas on different sunny coasts throughout the radiant West.
  5. Machete
    Machete 27 July 2016 09: 41
    +6
    The Olympics finally lost its neutrality. Soon, and from prestige will remain zilch.
    And the IOC is a bunch of cowards.
    Well, at least, you can see which federations are paid.
  6. Denis DV
    Denis DV 27 July 2016 09: 43
    +3
    A striking difference in the number of samples in the table. We and China have half as many pricks as the United States. Mess!
    1. Corsair0304
      Corsair0304 27 July 2016 09: 53
      +2
      Quote: Denis DV
      We and China have half as many pricks as the United States. Mess!


      It's just that WADA is sent to Sysha seriously and for a long time: NBA, NHL, Baseball Federation, American Football Federation - these are just the main ones that NEVER! Do not pass doping tests.
      1. Trick shot
        Trick shot 27 July 2016 12: 09
        +2
        Doping test is not just "looked in and said", but a complex of complex tests using different devices and special, comp. programs that analyze the composition of urine (blood in controversial situations) for the presence / combination of CERTAIN ACTIVE SUBSTANCES.
        Samples are taken by ALL athletes registered in the federations (including national).
        The question is WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR!
        The fact that the athletes you use is not included in the FORBIDDEN list. The same WADA, of course
    2. Trick shot
      Trick shot 27 July 2016 12: 01
      +2
      Than "pricked"?
      Typically, the number of drugs administered "through a syringe" is small compared to those taken orally, nasally, or in the form of inhalers. And almost all of them have been FORBIDDEN for a long time.
      The point is the cost.
      For example, an analogue of mildronate - trimetazidine (sold at each pharmacy and is 3 times cheaper) was included in the banned list 2 years earlier. Including for its ANTIHYPSE action. Simply put, it helps the muscles absorb more oxygen. And there were no problems with him this year.
      Meldonium was used because of its ACCESSIBILITY for the price. What it has an effect on the majority of myocardium, so it turned a blind eye.
      The same effect, only through a more complex biochemistry, is exerted by the so-called "L-carnitine". But it differs in quality and therefore in price, you can buy it from any seller selling sports. farm. The prices are much higher than those of meldonium.
      That’s why they are eating it in batches (powder) mainly by those athletes who can afford it in finances.
      It is not prohibited - otherwise sales from farm companies will fall.
      Do you know a lot of Russian pharmaceutical companies in the world market?
      1. crazy_fencer
        crazy_fencer 27 July 2016 13: 07
        +1
        By the way, I would like to note that WADA began to deal with the issue of meldonium (mildranat) 2 (!) Years before it was recognized as doping. And our bureaucrats from sports and from RUSADA all these two years valiantly clapped their ears. Indeed, history repeats itself as a farce. A very similar thing happened before the 80 Olympics, when the Scientific Research Institute of Physical Culture in St. Petersburg was responsible for anti-doping control on the part of the USSR, and when the "super-authoritative" professor Werner Donike from the Federal Republic of Germany and his colleagues lightly let our people along the dead-end branch. After the Olympics-80, not to mention its boycott, the director of the Research Institute Rogozkin had some serious problems ...
        1. Trick shot
          Trick shot 27 July 2016 14: 22
          +1
          Not quite so. For MILDRONAT took in the 15th year. When the statistics were ready. Who and where is taking this drug. When it turned out that it was mainly eastern Europe (read Russia), then you timed this boil in time for the OI. Very well used.
          An analogue of mildronate, which, like Mildronate itself, is widely attributed to CARDIOLOGISTS throughout the country to people experiencing not only stress, but also after heart surgery and even to CHILDREN as a SUPPORTING drug, trimetazidine was added to the list just because of its action as allowing to increase the amount of digestible oxygen. Maybe this is correct, but when Norwegian asthmatics bring medical certificates and get their aerosols filled almost before the start to OPEN, then how to explain it ...
          POLITICS!!!
          No matter what they say ...
          1. crazy_fencer
            crazy_fencer 27 July 2016 14: 49
            0
            In 2015, he was declared doping. Just before the New Year. Considering that after the New Year, the whole country celebrates the Finnish national holiday "Pokhmeläinen" for two more weeks. And officials of all stripes as well. I wrote that they started to DO it 2 years before being recognized as doping. Not a single drug can be taken just like that and declared doping or a prohibited substance in five minutes. Fetisov, in particular, wrote about this. As for Mildronate, I am aware of it, it is actually still available without a prescription in pharmacies.
            Yeah. The number of asthmatics among skiers and biathletes has always amused me too. Cold asthma, damn it ... I wonder (I have not looked), salbutamol or "Atrovent" are doping?
            1. Trick shot
              Trick shot 27 July 2016 15: 18
              0
              if the standard allowed dosage of Salbutamol spray is 100mcg / dose (note that Salbutamol is only approved for inhalation use), then it is not difficult to calculate that the smallest and largest limit of breaths will be from 1 to 16 breaths per day. But it is NOT advised to exceed 10-12 breaths a day, especially if an analogue is used - "Turbuhaler" Just on it "cyclists" sit - cyclists, rowers, marathoners, skiers, etc., then the absorption of the drug increases significantly, and accordingly the dose of Salbutamol is therefore NOT prohibited, but only advised of the smallest limit of breaths.
              This is what norgs use (and not only) ...

              Atrovent is not a prohibited drug.
  7. Altona
    Altona 27 July 2016 09: 43
    +1
    Our "conscientious" commentators are not good at mathematics and critical analysis. They should be sent to the United States so that they can fully enjoy their need for democracy. Still, mathematics is a powerful thing and gives an understanding of many processes. From why you take out a loan at 70% in a bank and why then refinance at 730% in microfinance, the level of confidence in this science should probably increase. Or that the level of your salary in the value of the products of your company is only 3%. However, I will not ask rhetorical questions.
  8. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 27 July 2016 09: 46
    +14
    But now we do not have mechanisms that can effectively counter this. Any refutation always remains in the shadow of the initial informational stuffing.

    There is. And this is perfectly proved by the work of the press center to cover the actions of our aerospace forces in Syria.
    The second option: - The economic component of the Olympic Games is about 400 billion of evergreen bills. To hit the sickest that the capitalists have is the wallet. Identify the countries most eager to slander our athletes and refuse to license and sell goods - sponsors of the Olympic Games of these countries. Believe me, after a short time, “Coca-Cola”, “Lays” and K ”will start screaming and prosecute the scribblers for slandering our team.
    A harsh political decision is needed. You need to understand that all this crap with OI has as its target the ban on holding the World Cup in Russia in 2018. And beat accordingly. It’s painful to hit, otherwise they won’t understand.

    PS I, for example, prefer kvass, but I don't care about Koku, Pepsi and others.
    1. Aroma77
      Aroma77 27 July 2016 10: 01
      +5
      Worst of all, that we give to substitute. The fact that no one was aware of the bureaucratic apparatus about doping, nonsense. The fact that Rodchenko was allowed to slip away is a complete profanation of our special services. There was a clue, but this should not be allowed. So with FM18, Gene. The contractor terminated the contract with the city administration for the construction of the Zenith Arena. Again a clue for enemies, FIFA will express dissatisfaction with the preparation and construction of arenas for the World Cup and raced. And who is to blame, the general contractor or contractors, of course not. If they didn’t pay me and at the same time they gave me constantly new extras. work and even without nodes and projects, I would also send these customers to the forest and field. But with this outrage everything begins, and we are in mourning.
    2. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 27 July 2016 10: 09
      +2
      The second option: - The economic component of the Olympic Games is about 400 billion evergreen pieces of paper. To strike at the very patient that the capitalists have is a wallet.

      and who will beat something ?? if you wanted to - would have done it long ago! would find harmful components in the product, or introduce state standards for the content of certain substances or limit the number of bubbles in carbonated drinks! Are we really nothing to replace this rubbish with preservatives ?? request
    3. Erg
      Erg 27 July 2016 10: 54
      0
      Quote: Corsair0304
      PS For example, I prefer kvass, but I don't care about Koku, Pepsi and others

      You are very naive. See which brands "our" kvass belongs to lol
      Quote: Corsair0304
      refuse licensing and sale of goods - sponsors of OI of these countries

      Do you even understand what you wrote? It will be shot in the leg. Does the topic of "investment" lead you to anything?
  9. moskowit
    moskowit 27 July 2016 09: 47
    +2
    "... We are witnessing how sport again, as if during the Cold War, turns into another element of political and informational confrontation. But now we do not have mechanisms that can effectively resist this. Any refutation always remains in the shadow of the initial informational stuffing. Despite the presence of clear evidence to the contrary, a stereotype about the dishonesty of Russian sports will settle in the mass consciousness for a long time ... "

    Then there was a confrontation between political systems. And sporting victories proved the advantages of the system. The sport of the highest achievements was an effective "weapon" and by its victories on the sports grounds was the power of the state, and for the continuity and continuity of these victories and achievements, mass sports were developed. Sports sections were free and available to everyone. Thousands of "breeders" tracked young talents throughout the vast expanses of the country, in all sports.
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 27 July 2016 10: 23
      +1
      Quote: moskowit
      Sports sections were free and available to everyone.

      Sport in the USSR was really massive, but you cannot call it free. Sambo section - judo a dozen a month + 2 kimonos of blue and white for 70 re + Sambian jacket - 45, plus wrestling - twenties. The only food coupons during the competition were issued for free. That's when you earn CCM, but then you will become a captain. Free and jackets and kimonos and wrestling
      1. dauria
        dauria 27 July 2016 10: 46
        +3
        Sambo section - judo a dozen a month + 2 kimonos blue and white 70 re each


        Nonsense. Strongly developed in our city in the 70s (Novgorod, then Gorky) classical wrestling and sambo (world-class KSTO school). Judo is a rare exotic at the level of basement enthusiasts without support, where Putin found it, I can't imagine. Not a penny for all school years from 5th to 10th. Neither wrestling shoes nor tights. The trainers are "international masters of sports". Trips from Volgograd to Vilnius by plane several times a year. Fees, meals, accommodation - all state. Just fight. The usual section at the plant's recreation center. Personally, the director of the Youth Sports School "picked up" me from the school physical education lesson. It used to be ...
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 27 July 2016 10: 55
          +1
          Quote: dauria
          Travel from Volgograd to Vilnius by air several times a year. Fees, meals, accommodation, everything is state. Just fight.

          Yes. The state did not skimp on fees, travel, competitions and food. It's true
      2. crazy_fencer
        crazy_fencer 27 July 2016 14: 54
        +1
        Khe ... I was engaged in modern pentathlon in Soviet times. Worked for a long time, about 15. Fencing costumes, slippers, masks, gloves - for free. Swords, blades, cords - for free. Training suits - for free. Studs for free. Naturally, not Adidas, not Speedo, and not Allstar. Buy it yourself if you have enough money. But it was an elite equipment at the level of the USSR national team.
  10. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 27 July 2016 09: 52
    +1
    The fact that our country has once again been attacked is obvious. But I still think that our officials, as soon as they are not scolded, have achieved the maximum possible in the dispute over the Olympics. And if in our country there are heroes of our time, then they are. Instead, our unworthy media were successfully built into the chorus of our Western ill-wishers. And they stick out those unfavorable for Russia parties that were the result of a compromise. Yes, listen about that. that Isanbayeva wouldn’t go bitterly, but someone would go, although our enemies were already rubbing their hands and wondering how many linden medals they would get.
    1. viktorrymar
      viktorrymar 27 July 2016 10: 09
      +5
      Your optimism and faith in officials are certainly laudable, but it is not in them, we are reaping our unbridled desire of the 90's to participate in all committees and associations, we have entered into everything, we pay money everywhere, and do not affect anything anywhere. And entered only one thing, well, you understand, in shit
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 27 July 2016 10: 15
      +1
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      Yes, listen about that. that Isanbaeva will not go bitterlybut someone will go


      Isinbayeva was knocked out of the cage as the most worthy opponent ...
      They do the same with others ... International sports federations will "shoot" exactly those Russian athletes who can be worthy athletes for THEIR athletes ...

      I wonder what the future gold pole vault Olympic champion among women will think about, knowing that the strongest opponent was removed for his victory?
      Similarly, in other sports ...

      In general, sports have turned into the same dirty business as politics ...
      1. Trick shot
        Trick shot 27 July 2016 12: 22
        +2
        Quote: weksha50
        what will the future golden women pole vault olympic think about

        Be sure - COMPETITORS HAPPENED.
        You need to know the psychology of an athlete preparing for the Olympic Games for more than one year. Money spent, including from the CRP. BUDGETS through the financing of federations, buckets of sweat are spilled, more than one joint has been repaired and more than one bunch of them has been sewn together.
        And the goal is VICTORY and the status of the Champion of the Olympic Games.
        Everything that will not interfere with this path is always welcome. EVERYONE! In addition to the disqualified themselves.
        Incidentally, this was recently announced by Mikhail Mammiashvili from television on the air. Olympus. Wrestling champion, chairman of wrestling federation.
        Athletes agree with him without exception. With no exceptions.
      2. crazy_fencer
        crazy_fencer 27 July 2016 13: 11
        +2
        Similarly, they knocked out two pentathletes. And the fact that sport has become a political show is already 50 years old, as it happened. Back in the days when the GDR was recognized POLITICALLY due to sporting successes.
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 27 July 2016 13: 27
      0
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      But I still think that our officials, as soon as they are not scolded, have achieved the maximum possible in the dispute over the Olympics.

      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      And if in our country there are heroes of our time, then they are. Instead, our unworthy media were successfully built into the chorus of our Western ill-wishers. And they stick out those unfavorable for Russia parties that were the result of a compromise.

      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      Yes, listen about that. that Isanbayeva wouldn’t go bitterly, but someone would go, although our enemies were already rubbing their hands and wondering how many linden medals they would get.

      You are either a very naive person, or let's talk about the good. Our athletes are traditionally strong in certain sports and they hit them hard. The fact that the rest will go and take, God forbid, a place in the top five - this will certainly greatly "please" everyone, and the liberal and foreign media will add another stereotype that Russians are playing dishonestly and are nothing without doping.
      Our sporting officials didn’t reach a compromise — they liquidated themselves at all, agreeing with such a decision because this is a precedent. Having felt the slack, now for any kind of sport in competitions, the same provocations are possible from any independent structures paid by Uncle Sam. The investigation itself because of someone’s documentary without evidence was initially a farce, and ours agreed and accepted.
  11. DREDD
    DREDD 27 July 2016 10: 03
    0
    It is noteworthy that many users who usually boast of their "critical thinking", without unnecessary questions, "hawk" content and actively like and repost new "memes"
    I am also amazed at the size of the Internet herd, which is called "nItakoikakvse". laughing
    1. Igluxnumx
      Igluxnumx 27 July 2016 21: 10
      0
      This is an Internet herd - Russian "Svidomye" raised on Yusov grants.
  12. weksha50
    weksha50 27 July 2016 10: 03
    +5
    "trying to imagine the only reason for the victory of Russia at the Olympics in Sochi"...

    At home - "the walls helped" ... And the fans - too ...
    And they don’t understand that they managed to create a mood for athletes, something similar to the Soviet times ...

    But the shocking victories of the Chinese, especially at the Beijing Olympics, were not even in doubt ...
    Although there - far from everything is clear ...

    And I don’t remember which of the US sports functionaries said that “let them try to check American athletes and make a scandal” ... After all, it sounded not in sports, but as a threat of a gopnik to the same anti-doping and the IOC ...
  13. bardadym
    bardadym 27 July 2016 10: 04
    +4
    Hah On this plate it is much more interesting to compare the number of samples taken)

    Actually, only one question arises - why do we need to adapt to the rules of this booth?
  14. Vladycat
    Vladycat 27 July 2016 10: 05
    +4
    But still insulting. Wait. We kind of create a new Olympiad (Military) wink . And as in some kind of epic fiction, in the future we will resolve all disputes at military games :).
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 27 July 2016 11: 32
      +1
      Quote: Vladycat
      We kind of are creating a new Olympiad (Military). And as in some kind of epic fiction, in the future we will resolve all disputes at military games :).


      Why in science fiction ???

      The essence of the first Olympic Games was military-applied sports ...
      The same Sparta ... A warrior state ... and so on ...

      Coubertin gave a peaceful "color" to these competitions ...
      1. Vladycat
        Vladycat 27 July 2016 12: 48
        0
        We were born to make a fairy tale come true (s). I want to believe, but a lot but .... One can only hope that the truth will triumph over the falsehood.
  15. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 27 July 2016 10: 10
    +6
    We need to put WADA in place. And it turns out that the tail twirls the fox: instead of the IOC they decide "to be or not to be." Pierre D * Coubertin, reviving the Olympic movement, did not even envision a "sports inquisition". Control is needed, no one argues. But he must be honest for all Olympians, and not a means of knocking out competitors.
    About the percentage of positive samples. If mildronium (previously not prohibited for use) is excluded from this statistics, then there will be nothing to talk about. And then: the law has no reverse effect. But this is in a normal society, and not in the "kingdom of crooked mirrors"!
    The states allow their analogues of meldronium by prohibiting the invention of a Soviet scientist of Latvian origin. At this, pharmaceutical businessmen from sports make billions of dollars. And to encroach on profit - this is not forgiven to anyone! And here is a reason: anti-Russian sanctions! Well, how not to participate!
    So, "are you Russian? - means guilty!"
    1. Parsec
      Parsec 27 July 2016 10: 41
      +1
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      If Mildronium is excluded from these statistics

      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      States allow their analogues of meldronium


      The drug is called mildronate, aka meldonium.
  16. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 27 July 2016 10: 21
    0
    Well, let them laugh. Any of their future champions will feel inferior in their souls, "to themselves", in the absence of Russians. What are they trying to achieve?
    There will be no vada - there will be no problem ... Insolent already. Bags are watered.
  17. Andrea
    Andrea 27 July 2016 10: 21
    -1
    The word dope is not Russian, which claims to us.
  18. Engineer engineer
    Engineer engineer 27 July 2016 10: 26
    +3
    Quote: Aroma77
    The fact that Rodchenko was allowed to slip away is a complete profanation of our special services.

    This topic is also very interesting to me. I remember going to an exhibition in Hanover in 2003. So I, a simple "Soviet engineer", was almost "talked to death". And then he wanted to go to the states - please. The main thing is full approval from both sides. Criminal flaw.
  19. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 27 July 2016 10: 46
    +1
    As always, when the enemy attacks us, he cowardsly goes to any meanness and filth, violates all the rules of decency and laws!
    Trying to seize the initiative in the fight against Russia, they do not shun anything:
    -unexpectedly attack without declaring war (Russian-Japanese or World War II);
    -To resolve their political claims, they easily go into sports (boycott of the Olympics 80 or the doping scandal 2016);
    - falsification of Eurovision results, etc ...
  20. NordUral
    NordUral 27 July 2016 10: 58
    +2
    Stop whining! It's time to respond toughly. And not to defend, but to advance.
  21. Prisoner
    Prisoner 27 July 2016 11: 10
    +2
    It's time to show teeth not only in the military field. Surely there is something to show to prove the unscrupulousness of the WADA and the evoy functionaries, because the dogs are acting brazenly. And then we stand wrinkling, confusedly picking our nose. They all sit on the neck and legs hang.
  22. zb-65
    zb-65 27 July 2016 11: 33
    0
    There is one office, under the name WADA ... called to monitor the doping ...
    Who is not peeing, who is not pooping so ... That will not go to the start ...
    The Western press got into a fuss ... someone replaced doping tests ...
    Under cover of night, he made his way to the flasks ... and poured something into the urine ...
    Calculate the "guilty" - it was a "matter of honor" ... WADA FSB saw the trail ...
    At the Olympics of the entire Russian team ... immediately imposed its ban ...
  23. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 27 July 2016 11: 50
    -1
    In the meantime, WADA plans to declare that Konyukhov’s record cannot be counted, as it has been irrefutably established from top secret sources that he cut corners around the earth in a balloon.
    repeat
  24. evge-malyshev
    evge-malyshev 27 July 2016 12: 07
    0
    Unfortunately, but our sports and government officials took too late to defend their reputation. It was necessary to start immediately after Stepanova’s statement, after the compromising film in BILD, immediately she had to open her eyes to the criminal Rodchenkov.

    PS. I still can’t understand how criminals manage to escape from our justice.
  25. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 27 July 2016 12: 28
    0
    This whole situation with the Olympics ... doping ... before my eyes there is one picture ... the west with his pants down ... and we ... are on our knees ... for a well-known thing .. (the British are checking us for a dope ... boycott of the Olympics there won’t be ... there is no protection for the athletes ... there’s absolutely no word ... officials something incomprehensible mumble ... we agree to the humiliating and discriminatory conditions for participation in the Olympics ....) ... Listen ... I’ve been like that since the 90s I don’t remember ... really ... now I’m just in shock .. for the last month I’ve been ...
    And I don’t blame the West ... for them it’s the norm ... but ours .... it seems everything has returned to normal ...
    1. bk316
      bk316 27 July 2016 12: 44
      +2
      but here are our ....

      Your suggestions?
      It's me to all aching here ...
      Come on, I'm serious.
      I saw one rational thing here - to boycott sponsors.
      Only this is not to power.
      Or do you want Putin to do this for you?
      Waiting for suggestions ....
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 27 July 2016 13: 44
        0
        Quote: bk316
        Your suggestions?
        It's me to all aching here ...

        I do not whine, but would suggest:
        1. Boycott the Olympics until some "WADA and others" begin to comply with the same conditions for all countries.
        2. To investigate what foreign athletes accept - to hell with him behind in pharmacology, but you can find or train any specialists in microbiologists.
        3. To sue (very different) the filmmakers about doping films and those who, without any evidence, started an investigation and all this absurdity.
        4. Set a certain amount of possible sampling, for example, 3-5 thousand were taken in a year - then go ahead, the limit has been reached.
        5. Replace our sports leaders with adequate people who do not chew snot for any reason.
        1. bk316
          bk316 27 July 2016 14: 13
          +2
          Quote: Corsair
          1. Boycott the Olympics until some "WADA and others" begin to comply with the same conditions for all countries.

          In your opinion, who should decide on a boycott? Putin, do you think the referendum?

          2. To investigate what foreign athletes accept - to hell with him behind in pharmacology, but you can find or train any specialists in microbiologists.

          I do not understand where does the microbiologist. But believe the research is underway.

          3. To sue (very different) the filmmakers about doping films and those who, without any evidence, started an investigation and all this absurdity.

          Filed already and still serve and lose. Do you still believe in the impartiality of their courts?

          4. Set a certain amount of possible sampling, for example, 3-5 thousand were taken in a year - then go ahead, the limit has been reached.

          Bravo: after that, WADA will say, well, we said, they refuse to take samples.

          5. Replace our sports leaders with adequate people who do not chew snot for any reason.

          Replace without us.


          The bottom line is the boycott of the Olympiad.
          Controversial, even in the decision, especially now too late. The next boycott will be seen as surrender. In addition, this does not solve the problem, because it threatens to be removed from ALL competitions. What to do with it?
          1. crazy_fencer
            crazy_fencer 27 July 2016 15: 00
            +1
            With boycotts already played out in due time. First in Moscow in 1980, then in 1984, when the USSR and part of the socialist camp boycotted the Games in Los Angeles. After that, the IOC became angry and made a decision: one more boycott of the OI for political reasons, and the country flies out of the Olympic movement once and for all. Now they decided to press Russia in a different way, all the more so, after all, they themselves largely substituted themselves.
  26. Moskal 55
    Moskal 55 27 July 2016 13: 31
    0
    The saddest thing is that it is not possible now to turn backwards to the west without recognizing Gorbachev, Yeltsin and .... mistakes catastrophic for the country, without fully justifying Stalin (and Lenin), without turning to state management of the economy. And this is very difficult for our government to do, because for the most part, she pursued the opposite policy and propagated the opposite ideology.
    Go to eot.su But I warn you right away, you will have to process large amounts of information. Otherwise - constantly wondering: "Well, how are we not lucky all the time ?!"
  27. Awaz
    Awaz 27 July 2016 13: 59
    0
    the situation has come to such chaos not immediately not at once. Officials that the Russian that the Western have long gone to this.
    If Russian officials immediately after the first attempts at pressure on the Russian Federation began to put pressure on Western athletes and federations involved in doping and fraud in terms of doping and violation of generally accepted rules, after small scandals, everything would quickly calm down and the situation would most likely turn into a non-peace situation - not war. Both sides would hold each other's balls and to such chaos no one would dare to fall, even in the current situation.
    All problems are primarily from the incompetence of Russian officials. And I would even say from their venality. After all, they are still clinging to all sorts of Mac Laren and the like ..
    1. Engineer engineer
      Engineer engineer 27 July 2016 14: 47
      +2
      Quote: AwaZ
      All problems are primarily from the incompetence of Russian officials.

      Yes, there is more likely not incompetence, but the fear of losing a "job". And the fact that it is still necessary to work on it (place) is forgotten by many. The track, however ...
  28. uskrabut
    uskrabut 27 July 2016 16: 20
    0
    Why humiliate yourself so much in front of incomprehensible individuals! Where are our special services? Yes, after the very first "meow" of this WADA, one of their officials had to be detained and hidden in a Russian pre-trial detention center on charges of corruption, libel, drug trafficking and whatnot. After that, everything would be back to normal. It is customary to shut up filthy throats, and rudeness is not to forgive. Instead, we humiliate ourselves, complain to some international courts. Do we have our own ships? Judge creatures by your own court and on your own territory.
  29. OlegYOla
    OlegYOla 27 July 2016 18: 39
    0
    A cleaning lady accidentally destroyed a doping sample of US athletes over the past 26 years am
    When asked what happened, a WADA official said that “one of the cleaning agency employees, while cleaning the American section, inadvertently touched the sample rack, after which he fell, dragging other shelves along the domino principle. As a result, more than 30000 tubes were broken, the rest are not identifiable, as they were stored in signed and numbered cells, and there was no information on the tubes themselves.

    Samples from 1990 to 2016 are irretrievably lost fellow
  30. fa2998
    fa2998 27 July 2016 19: 34
    0
    Quote: hirurg
    No need to participate. And to spite everyone try to do everything.

    And how do you imagine it? Athletics (and this is the floor of the national team) has already been excluded. The IOC shifted responsibility to the associations for sports, and they have already begun their "work". If 1-2 people from the GXNUMX are not allowed in rowing. -What should they row in six? After all, the period of additional applications has already ended. And if the "two" in the canoe is not allowed one. And the game teams will also lose someone. On such "games" are paid, having double standards, lies and solid secrets - There is nothing to do! Even if ours will win something, they will immediately find increased attention in the relations of the Russian national doping team - they will find something, and they will take away the medals! negative hi