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Is independent Europe possible? (Huffington Post, United States)

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Is independent Europe possible? (Huffington Post, United States)


In the wall of disciplined European obedience to the United States, a significant crack suddenly opened. I am not only talking about the possible long-term consequences in US-European relations in connection with Britain’s decision to leave the European Union.

But also about the incredible blow to the information war of Washington against Moscow, inflicted by German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, who ten days ago absolutely terrifyingly accused NATO of "inciting war" with Russia.


Since the Bush administration perverted the events of the Russian-Georgian war of 2008, which the EU blamed on Georgia, the western population was constantly informed that Russia was a "threat" to the West and was guilty of "aggression." This peaked in the fake scenario of events in Ukraine, when clear evidence of Western complicity in a violent coup d'etat disappeared from corporate media reports, and Russia's help to residents of eastern Ukraine who resisted the coup was presented as a Russian “invasion.”

The campaign of disinformation has reached the pinnacle of pop culture, including Eurovision and doping scandals in sport, seeking to provide broad popular support for the US intentions towards Russia.

The plot of the Russian “aggression”, based largely on silence and lies, paves the way for the United States to deploy missile defense systems with offensive capabilities in Romania and conduct large-scale NATO military exercises as part of the 31 000 troop contingent near Russia’s borders. For the first time in 75 years, German troops followed in the footsteps of the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union.

US plans for Russia

The US is eyeing Russia after Putin’s departure, in which a Wall Street-friendly leader, like Boris Yeltsin, would re-open the country to exploiters from the West. But Vladimir Putin is not Yeltsin, he turned out to be a hard nut to the USA. Washington’s manner of action is constant provocation and accusations of the opponent until he decides to stand up for himself, as Putin’s Russia did, and then accuse him of “aggression” and attack in order to “self-defense”.

Thus, Washington is building popular support and resistance to a different interpretation of events. Unfortunately, this is by no means a new device in the American action plan. “Government officials will come up with cheap lies, putting the blame on the country they are attacking, and everyone will be satisfied with these shameless fakes, will diligently study them and refuse to check for any denials; thus, they will more and more convince themselves that the war is about to begin, and they will thank God for a good sleep after this grotesque process of self-deception, ”wrote Mark Twain.

And now, suddenly, after many years of a flawless anti-Russian campaign, which hundreds of millions of Westerners believed without hesitation, Steinmeier comes out last week and blurts out the most important truth about Russia, not spoken by Western officials for many decades.

“What we should not do now is continue to escalate the situation, sagging weapons and inciting to war, ”Steinmeier deafeningly told the newspaper Bild am Sontag. - Who would not believe that symbolic tank a parade on the eastern borders of the alliance will bring security, he is mistaken. ”


Instead, Steinmeier called for dialogue with Moscow. “We are wisely advised not to create pretexts to renew the old confrontation,” he said, noting that it would be “detrimental to seek only military solutions and conduct a policy of deterrence.”

While adhering to this strategy, the American corporate media virtually ignored comments that should have been on the front pages of newspapers. The New York Times did not report on Steinmeier’s statement, but two days later it appeared in Reuters, but only online, followed by the US military’s rejection of his remarks.

NATO General: Russia is not a threat

Just a day after the appearance of Steinmeier’s statements in the Bild, General Peter Pavel, chairman of the NATO military committee, blew up another bomb. Pavel said at a press conference in Brussels that Russia is not a threat to the West. “The goal of NATO is not to create a military barrier against large-scale aggression by Russia, since such aggression is not in the plans, and no intelligence information of this type confirms,” he said.

What? What happened to the “aggression” of Russia and the Russian “threat”? What then do all the fears that pour out on the heads of Western citizens every day mean? Is this all a lie? Two extraordinary official confessions by Steinmeier, the foreign minister of the most influential European country, and the current NATO general responsible for the military committee, and both of them reveal that Western politicians do repeat a lie every day; This is a lie, what they say in private, but never before dared to give a hint about it in public.

Two years ago, I was at a not-so-important briefing with the European ambassador to the UN in New York, and I could hardly believe my ears when he said that the Russian threat to Eastern Europe was “just an advertisement” that was intended to provide NATO with for existence. " But the same ambassador officially at meetings in the Security Council frantically attacked Russia!

But "advertising" is not just designed to save NATO. The fear-spreading campaign feeds the American and European war industries and, most importantly, puts pressure on the Russian government, which the US wants to overthrow.

Have these statements been made because of irritation from the understanding that the Russian threat is an empty advertisement? Or out of sincere concern that the situation could get out of control during reckless and illusive leaders in Washington, leading the case to a “hot war” with Russia with everything that goes with it?

None of these two were punished for what was said. Is this a sign of change in the official thinking of Germany? Will they listen to German businessmen who did business with Russia and opposed sanctions against Moscow because of Ukraine (to which Germany was forced by the United States)?

Were Steinmeier’s words rebellious, or was Germany really thinking about resisting Washington’s sanctions and regime change in Moscow? Is the German government finally acting in the interests of Germany? Such a move would have caused European resistance to the United States, unprecedented since Charles de Gaulle, in 1966, pulled France out of NATO in order to preserve French independence.

Last time, European governments broke up with Washington on a significant issue in 2003 due to the American-led invasion of Iraq. Then France and Germany in the UN Security Council joined Russia, blocking approval. Britain supported the United States. But then, a few months later, France and Germany voted in favor of the resolution, which, in fact, condoned the invasion.

This is a matter of European society.

The main view is the German public opinion about Russia. Last November, I flew from St. Petersburg to Berlin and discussed this issue with many well-educated Germans.

I first visited Russia in 1995 year, twenty years ago. These were the times of Yeltsin and Jeffrey-Saxon Russia, an unlimited neo-liberal capitalist alliance of Wall Street with the oligarchs who robbed the country, leaving millions of Russians in poverty. At the stations I saw campgrounds of the homeless with a mass of fires. The police stopped the drivers to get a bribe. I ran away from two men intending to rob me, until I lost sight of them at the subway station. Such Russia and want to see again the Washington neocons and rogues and pirates from Wall Street.

Russia, which I saw later in 20 years in St. Petersburg and Moscow, has become neat and prosperous, modern, like any large European city. This indicates Russia's resistance to American attempts to regain its political and economic control. Russia is a capitalist country, but very peculiar. She is fully aware of the American machinations started in order to negatively affect her.

Polls of German public opinion show that most Germans want to improve relations with Russia and consider the USA as a major threat of war. And yet, three times German voters gave the mandate to the pro-American right-centrist Angela Merkel to form a coalition government.

In Berlin, I met with several German liberals who were educated and fully aware, unlike most Americans, of how the United States abused its influence after World War II. But when I asked them why 70 years after World War II and 25 years after the end of the Cold War, American military bases remain in Germany, and from whom the Americans protect them, the general answer was from Russia.

History shows that European fears of Russia are inflated incredibly. Germany and other Western countries over the past 200 years have invaded Russia three times: France in 1812, the USA, Britain and France in 1918, during the Russian Civil War, and Germany in 1941. This, apart from the invasion of the Russian Empire into East Prussia after the declaration of war in 1914, no longer existed.

In his memoirs, Harry Truman recognized that false fears about Russia were "the tragedy and shame of our time." It was during the Cold War, which he had to deal in part with the goal of restoring the post-war US economy with military spending. George Kennan, the State Department spokesman, who proposed non-military containment of the Soviet Union, came to the conclusion in 1947 that the steps of the Soviets in Eastern Europe were defensive and did not pose any threat. In 1990, Kennan condemned the expansion of NATO to Russia's borders.

With its rich natural resources, Russia for many centuries was considered to be a major “prize” for the West, and it still remains for those controlled by the neocons of Washington. But Germany, in particular, has always benefited from trade with Russia, and she does not need to join the US imperial project.

The decision of British voters a few days after Steinmeier’s extraordinary statement probably heralds a significant change in Europe, which, perhaps, is approaching historical unification in its relations with the United States. Growing anti-EU sentiments are spreading across the continent, including appeals for similar referendums in several more countries.

British voters, obviously, looked deep into the empty advertising of the Russian “threat”, since the majority did not buy into the British Prime Minister David Cameron’s intimidation tactics before the vote - that Brexit would complicate the “fight against Russian aggression.”

Britain was called the Washington "Trojan horse" in the EU. The idea is that without Britain, the EU would be more free to choose its own course. But, as Alexander Merkuris explained, Obama, bypassing London, turned his demands directly to German Chancellor Angela Merkel. And yet without the voice of Britain in the EU - although, more importantly, it does not concern NATO - there is more room for more independent votes in Europe.

“It worries me that we will have less influence - in the future we will not have such a strong influence on Europe’s response to Putin’s abuses, Iran’s nuclear ambitions or EU foreign policy and security policy,” said Peter Westmacott to The New York Times, until January. British Ambassador to the United States. “And we will be less able to provide a friendly attitude towards the United States.”


If German leaders come to the conclusion that the US is pushing Europe toward a disastrous war with Russia, will we not see our Charles de Gaulle in Berlin? Apparently, Merkel does not understand this. Three days after Steinmeier’s statement, she favorably stated at a press conference that she would prefer to increase Germany’s expenditures to NATO in order to counter Russian “threats.”

Instead, it will require a revolt of awakened citizens against both the EU and the elected European governments who refuse to adapt to Washington, mainly because it is in their class interests to act profitably to the detriment of the majority.

Future of the EU

European Social Democracy is probably the best social and political system ever developed on the planet, perhaps the best possible for humanity. Europe could become a model for the world, as a neutral force committed to social justice. Back in 1988, Jacques Delors, the then president of the European Commission, promised the British Congress of Trade Unions that the EU would be a “social market”.

Instead, the EU allowed itself to be sold to non-elected and unaccountable neoliberal technocrats, who now rule in Brussels. European voters probably do not quite understand the consequences: elected neoliberal national governments slavishly follow foreign policy orders from Washington. But Brexit shows that these voters are beginning to understand the situation. Unity is fine, but EU leaders refuse to admit that it should benefit all Europeans.

The EU Treaty of Lisbon is the only constitution in the world that contains neoliberal policies. If it is not reformed - and the arrogance of EU leaders suggests that this will not be done - then the European population will have to reduce or dismantle the EU with further referendums. This would give liberated European nations a chance to elect anti-neoliberal national governments that are accountable to voters, who, among other things, can choose a foreign policy independent of Washington.

The danger is that right-wing feelings, which in many ways push the movements in Europe against the establishment (and the US), can lead to the election of governments that will come even closer to Washington and will pursue even more rigid neoliberal policies.

This risk must be taken into account, in the hope that left and right opposed to the establishment will be able to unite around common interests in order to put an end to the “elite” European project.
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  1. tomket
    tomket 26 July 2016 16: 53
    +13
    Europeans will either come to their senses and we will see a renaissance of neo-fascism and nationalism, under the dictates of the new Hitler, or it will finally become someone’s cultural and economic appendage. The only question is who picks it up, we or some sort of Caliphate.
    1. Vend
      Vend 26 July 2016 17: 10
      +21
      European Social Democracy is probably the best social and political system ever developed on the planet, perhaps the best possible for humanity. Europe could become a model for the world as a neutral force committed to social justice.
      The author gives out wishful thinking. Throughout its history, Europe has been biting among themselves, tearing pieces of territory from each other, sucking them to the last drop from the colonies, and waging wars. A rotten apple will rot over time.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 26 July 2016 17: 12
        +21
        Quote: Wend
        European Social Democracy is probably the best social and political system ever developed on the planet, perhaps the best possible for humanity.

        Is this a bunch of grown-up loafers on social benefits who don’t want to work, but want more and more benefits, better system? belay This is the best example when well intentioned ... yes
        1. cniza
          cniza 26 July 2016 17: 36
          +7
          Quote: tomket
          Europeans will either come to their senses and we will see a renaissance of neo-fascism and nationalism, under the dictates of the new Hitler, or it will finally become someone’s cultural and economic appendage. The only question is who picks it up, we or some sort of Caliphate.



          I’m afraid that it’s already late, the process has taken on an almost irreversible character, only a miracle, in the form of awakened Germans and French, can save Europe, but this is not observed.
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      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 26 July 2016 17: 29
        +5
        "Throughout its history, Europe has fought among themselves, tore pieces of territory from each other,
        sucked every last drop from the colonies, organized wars "///

        Right. But how much can you?
        That is why they organized the European Union so that they no longer fight among themselves. 70 years there are no longer major wars in Europe. Almost three generations. Achievement. But the inertia of the past, uneven development, old quarrels, grievances, distrust make themselves felt.
        But this does not mean: "Everything is bad - we will fight." Two steps forward, one step back ... patience.
        1. avt
          avt 26 July 2016 17: 46
          +7
          Quote: voyaka uh

          That is why they organized the European Union so that they no longer fight among themselves. 70 years there are no longer major wars in Europe.

          Yugoslavia is so - passed by !? wassat
          Quote: voyaka uh
          But how much can you?

          “Only when everyone dies, only then the Great Game will end.” The Angles are old sailors, they, like experienced ship rats, know when to jump overboard. Well, the rest can
          Quote: voyaka uh
          ...patience.

          Like early .... too early .... but now it's late!
          Quote: voyaka uh
          But the inertia of the past, uneven development, old quarrels, grievances, distrust make themselves felt.
          But this does not mean: "Everything is bad - we will fight."

          Oh well
          Citizens, at the rate there are no icebergs,
          Only the Ivanovs are on the way.
          True, if suddenly what a trick,
          Icebergs are always easy to find.
          And what the boatswain told you at the meeting,
          That our ship is not the Titanic, but the Varangian,
          So he came up with an excuse
          To hoist a red flag on the main mast.
          generally
          Quote: voyaka uh
          ...patience.

          Everything is in the current trend.
          Citizens, end the massacre.
          To us already rescues
          Led by aircraft carrier Clinton
          Our native American fleet.
          So the presentations will continue,
          Fashion shows, night shows and striptease,
          As well as elections, bidding and demonstrations,
          In short, everything you want for an encore!
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 26 July 2016 18: 51
            +12
            voyaka uh
            they organized the European Union so that they would no longer fight among themselves. 70 years there are no longer major wars in Europe. Almost three generations. Achievement.

            Alexey! You have some incorrectly COLLECTIVE look at the European Union.
            First of all. The EU was legally enshrined in the Maastricht Treaty only in the 1992 year (which entered into force on November 1, 1993 year) on the principles of the European Communities [8]. It falls on all 2016 g-1993 g = 23 years of life, and not the last 70 years, as you wrote.
            Second. It was before the EU, and not during the EU, namely during the existence of the Warsaw Treaty Defensive Organization (1955 - 1991) that there really was no war in Europe. But after the collapse of the police department, the “civil” war in Yugoslavia and the collapse of Yugoslavia immediately began - the generalized name for the events of the 1991 — 2008 years.
            Moreover, the "ethnic cleansing" in the region was called the formal reason for the intervention of NATO troops in the civil war in Kosovo. Western leaders called the operation "humanitarian intervention," although the UN mandate was never received for its operation. The largest US military base is now located in Kosovo, the location of which the leaders of Yugoslavia had previously not agreed to. But now 90% of drugs from Afghanistan enter the European countries through this US military base in Kosovo. And the Albanians themselves, who conquered Kosovo with the help of the United States under the leadership of the Pentagon, as economic refugees disperse from poverty from Kosovo throughout Europe with the ejection of their Kosovo passports forever ..
            On 24 on March 1999, NATO Secretary General Javier Solana ordered the Alliance Force Commander in Europe, US General Wesley Clark, to launch the Allied Force military operation. In the evening of the same day, the largest cities of Yugoslavia - Belgrade, Kragujevac, Nis, Novi Sad, Pancevo, Podgorica, Pristina, Uzice and others were attacked from the air. Russian President Boris Yeltsin addressed the world, in which he called on Bill Clinton "not to take this tragic step." Then-Prime Minister Yevgeny Primakov, who was flying to the United States, ordered his aircraft to be deployed over the Atlantic and urgently returned to Russia.
            To strike at 900 targets of the Yugoslav economy of NATO, 1200-1500 high-precision sea and air-based cruise missiles were used. During the first stage of the operation, these funds destroyed the oil industry of Yugoslavia, 50% of the ammunition industry, 40% of the tank and automobile industries, 40% of oil storage facilities, all strategic bridges across the Danube. It was carried out from 600 to 800 sorties per day. In total, 38 thousand sorties were carried out during the operation, about 1000 air-based cruise missiles were deployed, more than 20 thousand bombs and guided missiles were dropped. 37 of thousands of uranium shells were also used. As a result of these explosions over Yugoslavia, 23 tons of depleted uranium-238 were dispersed.
            NATO forces were assisted by neighboring countries of Yugoslavia - Hungary, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Romania and Albania. The war of the alliance against Yugoslavia lasted from March 24 to June 10 1999 and ended with the defeat of Belgrade and the actual withdrawal of the Albanian autonomy - Kosovo and Metohija - from the country. The war resulted in thousands of dead Serbs, Albanians and Gypsies, about 220 of thousands of refugees and internally displaced persons. The energy and military-industrial facilities of Yugoslavia were completely destroyed.
            And what do you, Alexei, call the EU’s peaceful existence in Europe itself? Those. EU without war?
            Well, you, Alexei, give !!!
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 27 July 2016 00: 05
              -4
              ", do you call the peaceful existence of the EU in Europe itself? That is, the EU without war?" ////

              Yugoslavia is the only example of a small war in 70 years. I sympathized with the Serbs.
              But the Serbs survived the incident and are going to join the European Union.
              The EU is a successful and prosperous socio-economic union.
              Mistakes Brussels sculpts. And they are inevitable. Since the countries are not the same, the mentality is different, flexibility is needed.
              Plus migration of peoples, competition with the Far East.
              Nevertheless, it is better to argue about quotas, refugees, currencies, than to sit in trenches.
        2. stoker
          stoker 26 July 2016 19: 53
          +10
          Quote: voyaka uh

          ... That's why they organized the European Union so that they no longer fight among themselves. 70 years there are no longer major wars in Europe ...


          There was no war in Europe for 45 years. Because the Soviet Union existed. It was he who ensured peace and stability in Europe.

          With the collapse of the Union began ... Transnistria. Karabakh. Abkhazia. South Ossetia. Yugoslavia. Ukraine. In less than 25 years. And the European Union was noted everywhere. "The guarantor of peace and stability ...".

          You have a strange perception of reality. Jewish. Now, if the Germans, the British and the French had been ironing not Belgrade for two and a half months, but Haifa and Tel Aviv, would you assess the EU in the same way? Or were they hitting Eilat with "hails" for three days, not Tskhinvali? It was the EU and, by the way, Israel that armed Tbilisi.

          And how much has the EU done in Asia and Africa in ecstasy from impunity? For the same 25 years. Without the Soviet Union.
        3. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 26 July 2016 21: 15
          +4
          Quote: voyaka uh
          That is why they organized the European Union so that they no longer fight among themselves.

          Lesh, the EU is not NATO! This is still more of an economic union with the free circulation of labor, goods, money, etc. Established quotas, divided markets ... And all this went in line with globalization under a single supranational Tycoon government!
          Quote: voyaka uh
          so as not to fight among themselves.
          They found an external threat "by the inertia of the past," in the person of Russia, which has risen from its knees after the EBNi.
          And when they took a closer look, they were horrified: they can’t cope with the revived Russia (without the help of the States) ... That's why the Yankees are inviting to their camps! Limitrophs and former allies are especially trying ...
          And they tried to correct the "unevenness of development" at the expense of the Arab emigration, which was viewed as a cheap labor force ...
          What came of it - look at Germany and France.
          So, rather "one step forward, two steps back!" And it looks like the patience of the national radicals is already running out ... Marie Lepen will come to power, and then we'll talk about tolerance!
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      4. KOMA
        KOMA 26 July 2016 20: 29
        0
        And the Anglo-Saxons will again be on the sidelines, as if they have nothing to do with it!
      5. marl
        marl 27 July 2016 12: 41
        0
        Quote: Wend
        Throughout its history, Europe has been biting among themselves, tearing pieces of territory from each other, sucking them to the last drop from the colonies, and waging wars.

        For this, the EU came up with the idea that at least they would not go at war against each other. So they still bite like spiders in a jar, each pulling a blanket over himself. All this will not end in good. It’s good if they break up bloodlessly.
    2. papas-57
      papas-57 26 July 2016 18: 31
      +3
      "Is an independent Europe possible?" Yes, but on one condition - if the United States dies. As long as the country of Matrasia is alive, she will not let go of Geyrop, by any means.
  2. siberalt
    siberalt 26 July 2016 16: 54
    +10
    Of course it's better about Europe or China. Ukrainian nationalists and the National Guard Poroshenko blocked the procession of the world in honor of the Baptism of Russia. Models of weapons and grenades were planted. Tens of thousands of Orthodox left without supplies of water and food on the way to Kuev, where they were going to perform the Orthodox prayer in the name of peace in the Kiev-Pechora Lavra. But it’s not the Olympics in Rio! Truth? For some reason, the Russian media are keeping quiet about this.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 26 July 2016 17: 00
      +13
      Open any news portal and see for yourself ... that you are not in the subject.
      Everyone just writes about it.
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 26 July 2016 17: 07
        -3
        Yes, I found a couple of posts. But this is clearly not enough. All our "note" propagandists are probably warming themselves in Hawaii. Sorry, it hurt. It seems that Zyuganov is taking money off the common fund for the elections. Not to him.
  3. kepmor
    kepmor 26 July 2016 16: 55
    -4
    The question is whether an independent Europe is possible.
    The answer is possible ... but only within the Russian Federation.
    1. Yars
      Yars 26 July 2016 21: 14
      +2
      not in composition, but in union with Russia !!!
  4. Dezinto
    Dezinto 26 July 2016 17: 01
    +8
    all this is the way to infinity ... to nowhere ... I don’t know what the leaders of the golden billion came up with .... but ..... this is the finish .... or the endless series of changing some dofig smart and cunning ... s m ... ringing on others ......

    Or not ? And everyone will be happy already in a couple of three decades? Well, let's look at the story ...... ((((Mmmdaa looked .... a TV set with a radio pleases as an invention - but to whom and how do they serve?
  5. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 26 July 2016 17: 05
    +5
    The goal of NATO is NATO itself, a self-sufficient structure, a guzzling mother, do not worry. While we’re not burying these kazlovs, we’ll not calm down, here they go and beg for tryndyuley. And how they will rake, so they will spell, well, what for the people, eh? No, do not hold the blow, dope.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 26 July 2016 17: 15
      +9
      Quote: iliitch
      self-sufficient structure

      Kamrad, you put it wrong, it is self-sufficient, when it needs to, it does it and it’s enough for it, but NATO never has enough, and it doesn’t produce any benefits, but it uses hellishly. yes
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 26 July 2016 18: 47
        -1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Kamrad, you put it wrong


        "Smug" okay? It makes no difference who to kick. begging just already. And, damn it, who are really looking to GIVE TO! We need you, Europe is very used?
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 26 July 2016 19: 12
          +1
          Quote: iliitch
          "Smug" okay?

          Will go. smile
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 26 July 2016 21: 33
        +5
        Quote: Vladimirets
        and NATO never ... it doesn’t produce any benefits,
        But it creates problems in abundance!
        She, like a cancerous tumor, is spreading, approaching our borders ... And the appetite of this creature is excellent, and plans are already made up ...
        Is it possible that only "radiation" therapy or "surgical" intervention can stop this "champion of the world"?
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 26 July 2016 19: 25
      +2
      Quote: iliitch
      The goal of NATO is NATO itself, a self-sufficient structure, a guzzling mother, do not worry. Until we bury these kazlov , do not, calm down



      From the wheel of NATO it is necessary to take out only one spoke - the USA - and it will crumble ...
      And better - two (and the UK) ...

      Then it will be possible to organize a joint struggle against the adequacy against international terrorism in the form of militant Islam and other ...
  6. pl675
    pl675 26 July 2016 17: 06
    +3
    voice forecasts today - poke a finger at the sky.
    none of the fortunetellers on the coffee grounds can say what will happen to him the day after tomorrow, and yet they give out forecasts concerning countries and entire associations.
  7. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 26 July 2016 17: 08
    +8
    Nevertheless, the likelihood of war exists. The Americans are not yet going to war with the Russian Federation, because hunting is live. But here to fight with the wrong hands, or to fight so that there is no loss - this is what they are striving for. For this, we need missile defense, NATO, and precision weapons.
    Therefore, WE must by all means show our resolve and willingness to strike back, resolve, if necessary, fight to the last man, determination, if anything, to bite our teeth ...
    1. Azim77
      Azim77 26 July 2016 18: 11
      0
      And let's imagine for a moment what would happen if the Russian Federation, hypothetically, suddenly disappeared? The complete degradation of the US and NATO armies, a reduction in the cost of the military machine, colossal losses from the storage of unnecessary weapons, etc., etc. There is no reason to milk NATO countries. This is horror for the West. When the USSR died, we even saw it a little. Therefore, I agree about the "advertising" in the article. It seems to me that the West is even glad that there is a Russia that knows how to take a blow and give an answer. The main thing for them is that she was always like this and not attacked first, so they try to "get scared" and "defend themselves" in their own way.
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 26 July 2016 19: 28
        +4
        Quote: Azim77
        And let's imagine for a minute what would happen if the RF suddenly hypothetically did not become? The complete degradation of the US Army and NATO, reduction in military vehicle costs, colossal losses from storing useless weapons, etc., etc.


        Hmm ... The place of the Russian Federation would be immediately "taken" by China, India, Iran ... And if necessary - and Papua New Guinea and the Ivory Coast ...
        1. Azim77
          Azim77 26 July 2016 20: 39
          0
          Hmm ... If there was a reason, there would be a reason. But all the same, the rest of the countries are either shallow for the United States, or weak, or very strongly economically connected, more precisely, the United States is economically dependent on them. But the Russian Federation is the most "convenient" "likely enemy". Interesting precisely as a military and political enemy. And I am not gloating, I am not exalting the United States, but I just want to identify and understand the motives of US foreign policy.
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 26 July 2016 18: 18
      +2
      I will see that children are more and more girls. And somehow this is not very consistent with the popular sign of a future war. Nature and society are the essence of a single law in nature. To ensure in Russia at least stability for 10 years, and greedy liberals from the authorities would not have bitten us. But the people do not hear power. That is the threat. This is a conversion of Russians into Europeans. Only click Putin, declaring distrust of the government while his people support. Yes, the pause is too long. Do not be too smart. You won’t play enough with the people for a long time.
  8. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 26 July 2016 17: 13
    +1
    "... Is an independent Europe possible? ..."
    A woman with a "lowered social responsibility" did "fly in" after all ?! Come on..! smile
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  10. BARKAS
    BARKAS 26 July 2016 17: 19
    +2
    Who is this article for? If for the Russian reader it is in vain for us it is already obvious, if for the Europeans it is also in vain that no one will read it.
    1. Makk
      Makk 26 July 2016 19: 08
      -2
      Who is this article for? If for the Russian reader, then for nothing it is already obvious to us

      The purpose of such articles is to make it obvious.
      For most, it is obvious that after the enemy of Russia, Yeltsin, the patriot Putin came; the government in Russia is bad, and the president is good; in spite of the fact that the USA and the Russian Federation profess the same values, a world outlook conflict between them; all new defense industries use almost completely western equipment (up to wrenches) (sanctions?), but our defense industry is independent and is developing ...
      Obviously, I put on the pluses.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 26 July 2016 19: 11
        -1
        Quote: Makk
        For most, it is obvious that after the enemy of Russia, Yeltsin, the patriot Putin came; the government in Russia is bad, and the president is good; in spite of the fact that the USA and the Russian Federation profess the same values, a world outlook conflict between them; all new defense industries use almost completely western equipment (up to wrenches) (sanctions?), but our defense industry is independent and is developing ...

        But not everything is so simple ... wink
        1. Makk
          Makk 26 July 2016 19: 16
          0
          I’m like an akyn: what I see is what I sing.
  11. Dezinto
    Dezinto 26 July 2016 17: 22
    +10
    Independent Europe? Is there such a wording? After that dude who stabbed a military man on a street in London and then gave an interview for 30 minutes? Here we will not even talk about France for the whole year that has begun.

    After Blair was frankly called the Bush Poodle? - who sent British guys to Iraq for fictitious reasons.

    Is it an independent Europe?

    A. Well, OK! Something I do not drag in independence.
    1. Monos
      Monos 26 July 2016 18: 27
      +7
      To paraphrase our Antoine de Saint-Exupery: "If countries unite, then someone needs it."
      For example, I don’t quite understand why we and our neighbor on the site should combine our apartments. We seem to be living together, helping each other out of necessity. I’m not sure that such grace will continue if we suddenly get the idea to combine our real estate.
      Europe united by a global collector. A little more and in his hands will be all the rights of the owner.
  12. atamankko
    atamankko 26 July 2016 17: 32
    +3
    As long as there is NATO and the USA on the independence of Europe
    you don’t even have to think, not to say.
  13. Verdun
    Verdun 26 July 2016 17: 34
    +3
    Any independence is possible only when it is based on the economic component. That is why resource-limited European countries were independent as long as these resources were pumped from their colonies. With the loss of the colonies, independence also gradually lost. By acquiring resources at market prices, states ultimately remain dependent on their supply. So, they depend on who can influence the termination of these deliveries. For example, from the USA. America will knock its fist on the table, say it’s good to deliver oil (or something else) to France, which is going to build ships for Russia, and now the Mistrals are sailing in the other direction. African countries, with their mess and lawlessness, are unreliable partners. Often there is not even anyone to agree on supplies with and for the sake of obtaining the necessary resources will have to get into a real war. But Russia, with its relatively small but controlled state system, population, is a completely different matter. Agree with her elite or make this elite controlled and gain access to vast resources at low prices. That is why, control of Russia means independence for many European countries. For the sake of this, many of them are ready to tolerate each other, even as part of a united Europe.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 26 July 2016 19: 32
      +1
      Quote: Verdun
      That is why, control of Russia means independence for many European countries. For the sake of this, many of them are ready to tolerate each other, even as part of a united Europe.



      Annoyingly ... However, your comment, in essence - is true ...
  14. wasjasibirjac
    wasjasibirjac 26 July 2016 17: 39
    +5
    Germany and other Western countries over the past 200 years have invaded Russia three times: France in 1812, the USA, Britain and France in 1918, during the Civil War in Russia, and Germany in 1941.
    have you forgotten the Crimean War? and 1914 when Germany, Autro-Hungary and Turkey declared war on Russia is also not considered? Yes, and in 1812. not one France invaded Russia, but the entire European Union, except that England and Spain did not participate. so our experience with Europe is negative.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 26 July 2016 17: 48
      +6
      Quote: wasjasibirjac
      Spain did not participate.

      Yeah, right now. The Spanish expeditionary force as part of the Napoleonic army was. In fairness, I must say that because of, to put it mildly, dislike for the French, he had the greatest number of deserters.
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 26 July 2016 19: 33
      +2
      Quote: wasjasibirjac
      Yes, and in 1812. not one France invaded Russia,



      And in 1941 not only Germany invaded, but practically all of Europe ...
      Those who did not take part in direct hostilities supplied Germany with various resources ...

      By the way, the "allies" of the USSR, represented by the US industrialists, did the same ...
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 26 July 2016 20: 10
        0
        Quote: weksha50
        he supplied Germany with various resources ...

        Including the so-called "neutral" ones.
  15. Tusv
    Tusv 26 July 2016 17: 40
    0
    Chances of arguing with Continental Russia in conjunction with Konetinetalnym China.
    Yes, you really need to treat the pygvies. Twenty say very good orderlies
  16. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 26 July 2016 17: 44
    +1
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Kamrad, you put it wrong, it is self-sufficient, when it needs to, it does it and it’s enough for it, but NATO never has enough, and it doesn’t produce any benefits, but it uses hellishly.


    This type of "partnership" will devour itself. The process goes on, but they do not notice. Well, don't notice.
  17. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 26 July 2016 17: 47
    +6
    The very fact of such articles appearing in the American press, and this article is far from the first, is already interesting. At least the fact that some "sprouts" of common sense are still making their way through the extremely seriously lobbied American media. I cannot say that this will somehow affect our relationship in the near future. No, we were an enemy for America, an enemy and will remain. But the possibility of changing relations with European countries is of course interesting for us, and mutually. Look colleagues at least at the statements of Steinmeier mentioned in the article, and after all, they are far from the last figure in the political arena of Europe.
    Somehow such thoughts, like "out loud". hi
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 26 July 2016 19: 37
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir 1964
      Look at your colleagues at least at the statements of Steinmeier mentioned in the article, and this is far from the last figure in the political arena of Europe.



      Now, if these his statements were broadcast on all channels and printed in many publications for at least a week - then there would be sense ...

      And so ... Well, this information does not reach the majority of citizens of both Germany and the EU ...
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 26 July 2016 20: 09
        +1
        Quote: weksha50
        Now, if these his statements were broadcast on all channels and printed in many publications for at least a week - then there would be sense ...
        And so ... Well, this information does not reach the majority of citizens of both Germany and the EU ...

        George, well, with all due respect, I do not agree. Germany in preparation for the elections and Stannmeier's statements publish all opposition channels Merkle. And judging by the statements and actions of so many large companies in Germany, the bigwigs of German business are unhappy with the policies of Angels. And by the way, Germany’s investments in our country for 2016 increased by 18%, this is the data of the Germans themselves. They (the Germans) found, in order to avoid EU sanctions, a very successful approach in relations with our economy, they simply expand their presence already in the enterprises created in the Russian Federation.
        By the way, Georgy, "Bild", a private publication, ranks second in terms of polarity in Germany. hi
  18. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 26 July 2016 18: 14
    -1
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Yeah, right now. The Spanish expeditionary force as part of the Napoleonic army was. In fairness, I must say that because of, to put it mildly, dislike for the French, he had the greatest number of deserters.


    But who only did not open his hawalka to Russia. They will come, they will scoop, they will leave. Mat in 3 moves. Even a baby mat at four. What are stupid such, I do not understand?
  19. kotvov
    kotvov 26 July 2016 18: 14
    +1
    while Europe is subordinate to America, NOTHING will change, no matter who the president is.
    I, personally, believe that the current, elite, will not progress until it is replaced.
  20. yurii p
    yurii p 26 July 2016 18: 54
    +2
    "Is an independent Europe possible?" ... an independent Europe is like an independent Eritrea.
  21. Khariton
    Khariton 26 July 2016 19: 02
    0
    This flag is in our genes and in Europe ...! And they will never corrode it, no matter how hard they try at the present time! This is history and fact, but we can repeat it if necessary ... We know how and remember!
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 26 July 2016 19: 24
      -6
      Well, for this minus, I will not forgive the scum liberal ... I will calculate you anyway!
  22. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 26 July 2016 19: 04
    0
    The main thing is to understand across the ocean: if it starts in Europe, then they will sit out
    behind the Big Puddle, and they will be the first to be raked in full. Then, perhaps, peace will awaken in them if they want to survive.
  23. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 26 July 2016 19: 17
    -1
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Will go.


    That's okay. hi
  24. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 26 July 2016 19: 26
    +2
    Independence; so much independence.

    This is, first of all:

    1. Own armed forces, and not led by the United States through unnatural (no purpose) NATO.
    2. Own borders and appropriate policies that exclude the entry of undesirable elements into the territory of states.
    3. Own taxes - this is when the burghers do not support the Baltic sloops and Polish fascists for the sake of the notorious "equalization".
    4. Own economy means no unilateral TTIP, and, on the contrary, its own duties, support of its own producers, import substitution, etc.
    5. Own judicial system - means, again, no TTIP and supranational TNCs.
    6. Own ideology; he who does not want homosexuals has them (in every sense laughing ) should not.
    7. Own value system - no "Atlantic solidarity".
    8. Pluralism of opinions and the media — that is, migrants can be blamed and harassed; and the media should have a full range of opinions.
    9. Own political system - one where parties cannot be considered marginal if they deviate from the notorious "common line"; the leadership of countries by the leaders elected in these countries, and not by incomprehensible commissars.
    10. Own system of upbringing and education, where there is no place for the universal lessons of Islam and homosexuality.
    11. Own currency in the context of the sovereign right to manipulate its exchange rate.

    Is there any of this in Europe?
  25. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 26 July 2016 19: 27
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir 1964
    No, we were the enemy for America, the enemy and will remain.


    But actually, why are we an enemy? We at these downs at least 1, Yo-My, once, rushed? There weren't even plans. And I can remember "dropshots" from the heels. They did not destroy us only thanks to Igor Kurchatov.
    1. the villain
      the villain 27 July 2016 01: 06
      0
      Quote: iliitch
      They did not destroy us only thanks to Igor Kurchatov.

      Not only did Lavrenty Palych take part, but intelligence also worked, and many more people put their hands to one day, far from a perfect day for themselves, to realize that their monopoly on nuclear core ... had ended hi
  26. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 26 July 2016 19: 28
    0
    But where will the stinking geyropa from the United States go, and faster, as everyone likes to say now, the corrupt "elite" is so permeated with ties with the United States that they will remain on a short leash with the Merikans. If otherwise, then it is necessary that some changes occur in the gamerope that would push the peoples to act in the interests of their countries.
  27. Arkan
    Arkan 26 July 2016 19: 42
    0
    Is an independent Europe possible?


    At present, this question lies in the rhetorical plane, rather than in the practical one. The ruins of Europe may be free, but no longer needed by anyone.
  28. Khariton
    Khariton 26 July 2016 19: 46
    -1
    Well, what else can I say about the geyropu ... I can only in popular Russian, but not! And so it’s like a topic!
    Frozen Europe
    And do not “swing” your rights!
    You are with RUSSIA - just w *
    And you think that the head.
    You always, so imposing,
    The smirk twisted his mouth ...
    But are bastards corrupt
    Known for the truth of flight ???
    Having smeared the snout in chocolate,
    Steering chic Mercedes -
    You do not know: what "reward"
    The demon is pushing you!

    So, while steering wheels
    While in Russia, the trouble ...
    But know: trouble is already knocking!
    Your last beat is dull ...

    Do you want to destroy Russia so that there are no witnesses to your vile atrocities and betrayals ..?
    The gentlemen of the jury will not succeed! The archives are not all open yet ...
  29. Vikxnumx
    Vikxnumx 26 July 2016 19: 46
    0
    Weak work of the propaganda department!
    It is necessary to bring to every gay person a simple understanding that in the case of any war with Russia:
    1. Objectives for our missiles: ...
    2. Objectives for front-line bombers carrying bombs and missiles from Spec BCh: ...
    3. City commandants:
    4. See below *
    Make your choice!
    * See changes in the doctrine of the use of nuclear weapons !!!
  30. japs
    japs 26 July 2016 20: 17
    +6
    Quote: Azim77
    And let's imagine for a minute what would happen if the RF suddenly hypothetically did not become? Complete degradation of the US and NATO army


    Dear, you are absolutely wrong!
    If there is no RF, then the pend-ss-tsy and their vassals will come up with another country (for example, the PRC) as "the main threat to peace and democracy." We have already gone through this with the USSR. The very fact of the "golden billion" is flawed. World Zionism has seized all the riches of the world into its own hands and turns them around as it wants!
    You can accuse me as much as you like of the "world conspiracy" and minus. Only stupid people do not see these Rothschild Natans and take them off like that, i.e. all other Zionists.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 26 July 2016 20: 40
      -1
      Quote: japs
      Quote: Azim77
      And let's imagine for a minute what would happen if the RF suddenly hypothetically did not become? Complete degradation of the US and NATO army


      Dear, you are absolutely wrong!
      If there is no RF, then the pend-ss-tsy and their vassals will come up with another country (for example, the PRC) as "the main threat to peace and democracy." We have already gone through this with the USSR. The very fact of the "golden billion" is flawed. World Zionism has seized all the riches of the world into its own hands and turns them around as it wants!
      You can accuse me as much as you like of the "world conspiracy" and minus. Only stupid people do not see these Rothschild Natans and take them off like that, i.e. all other Zionists.

      Yes, everyone can see, they are only afraid to say it ... We also have this on the site! I have just expressed "cromolu", but I am responsible for my words .. The observation is simple, long .. hi
  31. Enoch
    Enoch 26 July 2016 21: 06
    +1
    The saddest thing is that the peoples of Europe have long been hostage to their rulers, who are also hostages to the w-massasons of the United States and England. Angela is a vivid example of this, fulfilling the will of trans-Masons-masons. Here it is a pity for ordinary people. God help them!
  32. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 26 July 2016 22: 07
    -1
    Quote: weksha50
    From the wheel of NATO it is necessary to take out only one spoke - the USA - and it will crumble ...
    And better - two (and the UK) ...


    Without the options for these chuvryl, the unwashed, blatantly sanctioned beats have to beat, both two. These are directly asking for an asshole. Well, what are you harassing men, huh?
  33. iouris
    iouris 27 July 2016 00: 58
    -1
    We all live in an empire ruled from Washington. Until the empire collapses under the influence of internal causes, there will be no independence.
  34. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 27 July 2016 08: 44
    0
    We have never yet destroyed massively English-speaking enemies, in millions. And they insist on it hard.
    Once you have to start.
    Welcome Anglo-Saxon suicide bombers!
  35. nik-karata
    nik-karata 27 July 2016 09: 47
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Yugoslavia is the only example of a small war in 70 years.

    This country no longer exists !!! This is called in Israel - "little war" ??? fool
    I look forward to when Israel does not become, and your comment on this event!