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Does the Sultan forgive?

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Since the relevance of topics related to Turkey in the Russian information space is gradually declining, it's time to draw some kind of political results. Moreover, the sudden transition from violent hostility with Ankara to an equally ardent friendship has caused at least a lack of understanding among many of our fellow citizens. And here it would not hurt to give some explanations.

To begin with the most important thing. Nobody asks to love the new sultan. Nobody demands to love the Turkish state or the people who caused us so much evil, even if we take only the latest history, that is, events after 1914 of the year and to our time. Also, no one demands to forget the perfidious attack on the Su-24. We must remember all this in order to eventually issue a historical bill once the opportunity presents itself.

But it is not about that now. At the moment, both Russia and Turkey are in a very difficult and in many respects similar situation. In simple terms, both our nations are preparing for the fate of sacrificial sheep on the altar of a new world order. The reasons are trivial - both the Russian Federation and the Republic of Turkey are too large and independent to leave them on the world map. Independence in the unipolar world is not welcome and is not forgiven.

By the way, by all signs such important countries as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran and China were also sentenced to extermination. Yes, this is a completely different story, but it also has a direct bearing on our topic. Moscow has already tried to build a strategic partnership with China and Iran, and even to build a kind of common line with the Saudis. The result was rather bleak: Beijing and Riyadh did not cooperate with us, to put it mildly, and Tehran is now more interested in opening Western energy markets than in an alliance with the Russian Federation.

Thus, there are very few options for who to build allied relations with. Among the available areas was Turkey with its capricious and impulsive leader. Actually, neither we nor the Turks have any particular choice. The alternative is too obvious. Based on this understanding, it becomes clear that Moscow’s desire to re-establish bridges with the Turkish regime, even at the cost of losing its own prestige in the eyes of the external and internal audiences. This is a policy, and here such turns are in the order of things, especially considering how much the stakes are raised in the New Big Game. Americans, it is necessary to remember, if required, go and make great sacrifices.

Do not forget that Russia went on such unpleasant, but necessary exchanges before. For example, when, when specifying the border with the People’s Republic of China, we were forced to give several river islands to our neighbor, the network “guard patriots” also did not restrain attacks of righteous anger. In fact, it turned out that we saved ourselves from confrontation, like the one that is now unfolding in the South China Sea. They gave a little to win more.

Another example. In 2012, Russia reluctantly recognized Ukraine’s sovereignty over the island of Tuzla, provided that the key was retained in the Kerch Strait. Then this decision was also much and vehemently criticized. How it all ended in the end, we all know perfectly well.

The expression “geopolitical chess” has already turned sore, but it is the one that most accurately reflects the essence of what is happening. In real chess, the grandmaster sacrifices a piece in order to gain a strategic advantage on the board. In big politics do the same.

Interacting, Russia and Turkey have a chance to escape from a major war, as well as from coups and color revolutions, followed by the collapse of their own states. One by one, there are no such chances at all, since the initiative is deliberately transferred to the United States of America and their apologists for “controlled chaos”.

The situational alliance with Turkey is remarkable by the fact that in the event of its relative stability it will almost inevitably be joined by someone else who does not like the role of the sacrificial ram. It’s impossible to say who it will turn out to be so far, but it’s obvious that we will again have to sacrifice something substantial for the prospects of a potentially broad anti-American alliance, which we will conditionally call Eurasian. Or at least for the sake of a temporary breakdown of the plans of the “sole superpower”, which is also not so little. Time is the most valuable resource. And interaction with the Turks here remains the point of geopolitical crystallization.

Does the Sultan forgive?


Once again, we repeat. The fact that state-owned media has at once switched from the hatred of praising Turkey does not in any way oblige us to do the same. The task of the media is to send signals, not only to the internal observer, but also to the external one. This is happening right now. Our civic duty is to correctly interpret the signals and not fall into hysterics.

Sludge left? Of course. Naturally, a person in his right mind and solid moral values ​​will no longer go to Turkey and will not buy goods from this country as before. But we are obliged to understand why such hearty porridge is brewed. As well as the fact that some things we simply can not say directly. Comments about “betrayal” only reflect our civil immaturity.
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  1. Khariton
    Khariton 26 July 2016 18: 15
    -3
    You can’t forgive, subjugate ...!
    In war, as in war!
    1. cniza
      cniza 26 July 2016 18: 18
      +43
      Erdogan has no faith, but it is necessary to cooperate and squeeze the maximum benefit for Russia.
      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 26 July 2016 18: 30
        +15
        Quote: cniza
        squeeze the maximum benefit for Russia -

        - In war - as in war ... In international affairs, we came to the well-known principle: - Nothing personal, just business! Cynically? - Yes! But, drawing conclusions from recent history, the "gratitude" of all whom Russia helped, almost always tearing them away from themselves, and received, at best, spitting, we became, God forbid, smarter.
        AND - NOTHING PERSONAL, ONLY BUSINESS!
        Adyu, Ukraine! Turkey, yes, we "cannot live without you!"
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 26 July 2016 19: 55
          +6
          the people who caused us so much evil

          The people are probably not in the topic of the people other aspirations ...
          There are no such chances at all,

          There are friends who don’t need enemies ... (they are now called partners).
      2. Verdun
        Verdun 26 July 2016 18: 37
        +13
        Quote: cniza
        Erdogan has no faith, but it is necessary to cooperate and squeeze the maximum benefit for Russia.

        Collaboration means buying Turkish tomatoes again and filling their hotels with our tourists. Our money will float to Turkey, which will become rich and wait for the next convenient moment to hit Russia in the back. What is needed is not cooperation, but Turkey’s tight economic connection with our economy. So that in case of something they couldn’t even fart out of fear that together with our economy they will go down.
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist 26 July 2016 19: 13
          +11
          Regarding tomatoes, the choice is ours: buy Turkish, ours or something else tomatoes. Putin cannot order Turkish tomatoes to eat, and you and your relatives or friends will decide what to buy.
        2. Hon
          Hon 26 July 2016 19: 17
          0
          Well, if our agricultural producers begin to make products better and cheaper than Turkish, and our resorts reach up to the Turkish level but will not be more expensive, then nothing will float away. It’s not the Turks’s fault that they are more attractive
          1. Verdun
            Verdun 26 July 2016 19: 36
            +1
            Quote: Hon
            It’s not the Turks’s fault that they are more attractive

            Personally, I do not blame the Turks for doing something better than us. if you blame anyone, then us Russians. But this does not mean at all that we should recklessly fuel the Turkish economy with our money. We need to make it as dependent on our economy as possible. There are many ways to do this. Not only from resources - there are places to get them besides Russia. But if you attach them to yourself technologically, financially, culturally - you look, and NATO will not be so interesting to them.
            1. Drzed
              Drzed 27 July 2016 02: 56
              +1
              culturally attach it how?
          2. Volodin Dmitry
            Volodin Dmitry 27 July 2016 03: 28
            +2
            That’s the interest! Ours are both tastier and better, but it’s hard to break into the market. After all, DB
        3. vlad007
          vlad007 30 July 2016 17: 02
          0
          Now all countries are trying to diversify the economy (I do not like this word), i.e. reduce dependence on other countries, especially on monopoly suppliers of energy resources, even if it involves some additional costs - the cost of something, etc.
      3. Dam
        Dam 26 July 2016 18: 43
        +9
        To me personally, this undersultan is deeply disgusting. But now is not the time to multiply enemies, and so all of NATO is in our enemies
        1. the most important
          the most important 26 July 2016 21: 52
          +1
          [quote = Damm] To me personally, this undersultan is deeply disgusting. But now is not the time to multiply enemies, and so all of NATO is in our enemies [/ qu
          so it may be necessary to flog one exponentially so that the rest would cool off with their claims? indecision leads to the fact that all mongrel mouth open. here you are - an example with athletes! if Russia exponentially punished the sultan, there would be much less katavasii with the OI! Russia's enemies should have only one choice: rummage through the urine of athletes or drown in their own shit. and indecision and compliance will lead to the fact that tomorrow Gagarin will discover meldonium and announce that because of this, not a single cosmonaut of the USSR and Russia flew into space ...
        2. the villain
          the villain 27 July 2016 01: 22
          +1
          Quote: Damm
          To me personally, this undersultan is deeply disgusting. But now is not the time to multiply enemies, and so all of NATO is in our enemies

          So the Sultan, it seems, began to suspect that he also had no friends in NATO. No.
          1. atalef
            atalef 27 July 2016 13: 06
            0
            Quote: Villain
            So the Sultan, it seems, began to suspect that he also has no friends in NATO

            He has no friends anywhere. What does it mean ? It is necessary to pick it up and caress ;? Until the next kidalov
      4. atalef
        atalef 27 July 2016 13: 04
        0
        Quote: cniza
        By the way, by all indications, such important countries as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran and China were also sentenced to destruction. Yes, this is a completely different story, but it also has a direct bearing on our topic. Moscow has already tried to build a strategic partnership with China and Iran, and even build a kind of common line with the Saudis. The result was rather bleak: Beijing and Riyadh have acted with us, to put it mildly, not at all in partnership, and Tehran is now more interested in opening up Western energy markets than in an alliance with the Russian Federation.

        Thus, there are very few options left with whom to build allied relations. Among the available destinations was Turkey with her wayward and impulsive leader.

        Bravo to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, if of all the only ones who remain are Erdogan
        Believe Erdogan - a new joke
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    3. Dimontius
      Dimontius 26 July 2016 18: 29
      +3
      Interacting, Russia and Turkey have a chance to escape from a major war, as well as from coups and color revolutions, followed by the collapse of their own states. One by one, there are no such chances at all, since the initiative is deliberately transferred to the United States of America and their apologists for “controlled chaos”.
      Russia has always been great, even in moments of weakness, and it will forever remain. So we don’t need to talk about chances here, you are not God and not Nostradamus. And do not panic over people, we are already shugny.
      1. viktorrymar
        viktorrymar 26 July 2016 18: 34
        +5
        We on Earth do not even live in a communal apartment, but in odnushka, and if you do not put up, then there’s nothing to talk about, the world will disappear, somewhere in a dozen years!
      2. jjj
        jjj 26 July 2016 18: 35
        +11
        The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was also signed not out of great Soviet love for Adik Shiklgruber
        1. the villain
          the villain 27 July 2016 01: 30
          +7
          And reproach us with this pact, they are not lazy,
          I hear about him, I miss him so much.
          They see a straw in our eyes
          In their backside, sorry, they do not notice the logs.
    4. weksha50
      weksha50 26 July 2016 18: 36
      +6
      Quote: Chariton
      You can’t forgive, subjugate ...!
      In war, as in war!



      Hmm ... You can’t build a game on this ...
      If he sometimes yanks against the United States, then against Russia - and even more so ...
      You just need to play on their differences ... And, no matter how unpleasant, the author of the article is most likely right ...

      PS Once again I repeat: I personally have an hostile attitude towards Erdogan (and not only) ... But ... Sometimes you have to endure a person who is unpleasant to you, for the good of the cause ...
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 26 July 2016 19: 20
        +5
        The Bible says "look for friends among your enemies, learn to forgive and then you are invincible" The meaning is this, but literally I do not know.
        1. atalef
          atalef 27 July 2016 13: 08
          -1
          Quote: Monarchist
          The Bible says "look for friends among your enemies, learn to forgive and then you are invincible."but literally I don’t know

          It's okay, Erdogan also did not read the Bible
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    6. siberalt
      siberalt 26 July 2016 18: 37
      +4
      Forgive the Sultan?
      The question, of course, is interesting, but quite naive. Either we are full-time advisers to Putin, or not sewn sleeves from a vest. laughing
      Can we start choosing a girlfriend for the president from the photo? This is even more interesting! laughing

      As the saying goes, you should not go where the dog with a howl x .. "Vost" will not stick.
    7. Hon
      Hon 26 July 2016 19: 14
      -4
      Quote: Chariton
      You can’t forgive, subjugate ...!
      In war, as in war!

      The slave did not grow. We need such an ally now as Erdogan, and he needs us, this is a matter of mutual benefit and not submission to anyone.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 26 July 2016 23: 34
        +6
        Quote: Hon
        The slave did not grow. We need such an ally now as Erdogan, and he needs us, this is a matter of mutual benefit and not submission to anyone.

        And how sharp was the rhetoric wink


        and now the 9th meeting of the two leaders, heh and the zombie warrior now says that the Turks are normal guys and charters will fly again and we will build a gas pipeline and a nuclear station, waxed again from the sidekick.
        And the fact that someone has "licked" about it we no longer remember, clear pepper, for the good of the case.
        We are now firing at the igilovskie oil tankers, we no longer see them and this is also for the good of the cause.
        For half a year, the nonsense buzzed as we tear the erdogash up and he will cry with burning tears, and now he is completely torn (in words) to shreds and has again become a handshake and a normal guy for a summit meeting.
        Either apples, then tomatoes, then parlizan (you’ll pronounce horseradish), turned out to be another zilch bunch.
        And we don’t care, we have something like this, that way, one hell, everything rises in price. And there is no money, but you stay here, good mood and health.
        1. Hon
          Hon 27 July 2016 10: 00
          0
          Well, there will be no charters this year, although this is not a matter of relations, it’s just that the situation in Turkey is tense
        2. atalef
          atalef 27 July 2016 13: 09
          +1
          Quote: PHANTOM-AS
          And the fact that someone has "licked" about it we no longer remember, clear pepper, for the good of the case.
          We are now firing at the igilovskie oil tankers, we no longer see them and this is also for the good of the cause.
          For half a year, the nonsense buzzed as we tear the erdogash up and he will cry with burning tears, and now he is completely torn (in words) to shreds and has again become a handshake and a normal guy for a summit meeting.

          +100500
  2. svp67
    svp67 26 July 2016 18: 17
    +6
    With a little understanding of Erdogan, you are prompting me that the new period of friendship between our countries can both last a long time and break off tomorrow ... There is no certainty in him.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 26 July 2016 18: 24
      -6
      Quote: svp67
      I don’t understand much of Erdogan yet, you are prompting me that the new period of friendship between our countries can both last long and break off tomorrow ... There is no confidence in him.

      But still, you need to use the moment and get the most out of it ... The main thing is that you don’t get off the hook! Erdogan cuts from your shoulder hard and you can fish in muddy water ... hi
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 26 July 2016 19: 23
        0
        The brigade commander, you are right: now the sultn is angry with the orangutan and it's time to "catch carp"
    2. novobranets
      novobranets 26 July 2016 18: 32
      +6
      And interaction with the Turks here remains the point of geopolitical crystallization.
      What can be crystallization in an amorphous substance. Turkey cannot even stand one line of behavior, and rushes about as a lady of a well-known profession between two beds. Recently, they just beat us with their heels in the chest and shouted, like we are so independent, brave, no one has given us a decree, they shot down a Russian plane and we’ll even bring down. What today? All the blame was passed on to the pilots, they say they themselves did it on their own initiative. Yeah. The pilot, in the border zone, without order opened fire on the machine of another state. Who is this babble for?
      According to Shimshek, the Turkish pilots who attacked the Russian bomber on November 24, 2015, made this decision on their own. The Turkish deputy prime minister added that, according to reports, these same pilots could have raided peaceful objects during the coup, but this information is checked.
      Dexterously dodged, huh? What can be the relationship with those who betray their own?
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 26 July 2016 19: 27
        +1
        Well done, but what about the statements of the previous prime minister that he gave the order?
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 26 July 2016 19: 34
          +2
          Whoever remembers the old is over! And whoever forgets the two!
        2. novobranets
          novobranets 27 July 2016 12: 53
          0
          Quote: Monarchist
          But what about the statements of the previous prime minister that he gave the order?

          About that and speech. Tomorrow the situevina will change, there will be new statements, the opposite.
      2. Amurets
        Amurets 27 July 2016 00: 01
        +1
        Quote: novobranets
        Dexterously dodged, huh? What can be the relationship with those who betray their own?

        Caesar's wife is beyond suspicion. Well, actually, the pilot or pilots of the F-16, in any case, would have been sacrificed. But otherwise you are right. In principle, what is the commonality of Kazakhstan, Russia, Turkey? Yes, in the fact that they are on the "rift" or dividing line of Eurasia. That is why we are neither Europeans, nor Asians. We, I mean our countries, are incomprehensible to Europe, so they see us as a danger, in the form of the Tatar-Mongol Yoke and the Sultan Caliphate Suleiman Qanuni. The article is polemical, not a guide to action, and I think we just need to look for compromises and think about how to move on. After all, a compromise, "it's neither me, nor you, and everyone is unhappy."
      3. black
        black 27 July 2016 09: 25
        0
        Well, we don’t baptize children with them. In war as in war. And the idealists, in the war, die first. This is you believe me.
  3. BARKAS
    BARKAS 26 July 2016 18: 21
    +2
    He will come and listen to what he has to offer, then it will be seen how to live on, but there should be no talk about forgiving!
  4. Wiruz
    Wiruz 26 July 2016 18: 27
    +2
    Does the Sultan forgive?

    God will forgive. We are not gods, we only organize this meeting bully
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 26 July 2016 18: 33
      -4
      Quote: Wiruz
      Does the Sultan forgive?

      God will forgive. We are not gods, we only organize this meeting bully

      Putin postponed a meeting with Allah for a while ... bully Useful yet!
  5. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 26 July 2016 18: 32
    +20
    Actually about the attitude to Erdogan ...
    Anecdote of the 30s:
    The communist is asked: "Have you ever hesitated
    in party life? "
    "Always hesitated with the Party!"
    1. You Vlad
      You Vlad 26 July 2016 19: 07
      +1
      Ha Ha good joke))
    2. V.ic
      V.ic 26 July 2016 21: 07
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Anecdote of the 30s:
      The communist is asked:

      Dy'k know who wrote jokes, and then for the "37th year" was offended ...
  6. weksha50
    weksha50 26 July 2016 18: 33
    +5
    "both the Russian Federation and the Republic of Turkey are too large and independent to leave them on the world map. Independence in a unipolar world is not welcomed and not forgiven.
    By the way, by all indications major countries such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran and China were also sentenced to destruction"....

    Hmm ... In general, I agree with the article, although an unpleasant aftertaste from differences in relation to Turkey remains ...

    And what about "sentenced" ... Who ??? The only "peace-loving" country bringing peace and democracy to all corners of the world ...

    After all, even if half of the countries begin to ignore the United States, this is already the collapse of their world hegemonism ... Well, they will not be able to restore "peace and democracy" simultaneously in several parts of the planet ...

    However, the cowardice of "vassals" (and not only them) is off scale ...
    1. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 26 July 2016 18: 51
      +2
      Quote: weksha50
      Hmm ... In general, I agree with the article, although an unpleasant aftertaste from differences in relation to Turkey remains ...

      You are not the only one Gregory. Although of course, as I understand it, the geopolitical interests of the country must be taken into account. But some kind of sediment on the soul still remains. hi
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 27 July 2016 00: 23
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir 1964

        You are not the only one Gregory. Although of course, as I understand it, the geopolitical interests of the country must be taken into account. But some kind of sediment on the soul still remains.

        I fully support!
        << It's just that when we have some disagreements, we should find compromises. Do you know what a compromise is?

        - Yeah. This is when neither you nor me, and no one is happy. >> It seems to me that this quote from one of the books of the American writer Lisa Kleipas expresses the whole essence of politics.
  7. alfa19638
    alfa19638 26 July 2016 18: 36
    0
    You cannot forgive betrayal and hypocrisy, you need to boldly, consistently and firmly defend your position, and not seek benefits with two-faced, capable of betraying at any time "partners"
    1. vlad007
      vlad007 30 July 2016 17: 21
      0
      Yes, they are all like that - these partners! Merkel is better?
  8. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 26 July 2016 18: 37
    +1
    The situational alliance with Turkey is also notable for the fact that if it is relatively stable, it will inevitably join someone else who does not like the role of the sacrificial ram.


    Israel doesn’t like this role in any way. Therefore, it’s already the third. Yes, and who will like the bacchanalia that is going on outside your door. Only Turkey was missing them. Besides, there’s another example of how America is surrendering its recent allies. Nothing personal, just business.
    1. ver_
      ver_ 27 July 2016 08: 10
      0
      Israel is not quite what we know about .. Under the "cover" of the people "chosen by God" - the project of Americans - there is "no extradition" from this territory as from the Don at one time ..
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 26 July 2016 18: 37
    +4
    To be friends with Erdogan is not necessary, we will act in the east, insidiously. We will smile, hug, and ... count aspen fun. To be sharp ...
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 26 July 2016 19: 31
      0
      East is a delicate matter: now you are a friend, but in an hour the enemy and vice versa
  10. -СтрР° РЅРЅРёРє-
    +4
    Thus, there are very few options left with whom to build allied relations. Among the available destinations was Turkey

    God forbid from such an ally!
    Our Army, Navy and VKS! And only they! drinks
    And Turkey is like No. 2 product - everyone knows how to handle! repeat hi
  11. moskowit
    moskowit 26 July 2016 18: 40
    +2
    To our great regret, the former position and weight in the world "table of ranks" have been lost and now there will be no parity. Thanks to the efforts of the Enemies of the People with a gang of hangers-on. Allies are necessary, but unfortunately we cannot acquire them. Gas and oil alone are not enough for this ...
  12. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 26 July 2016 18: 48
    +3
    The Turks will betray and sell at the first opportunity. Building an alliance with the Turks on the principle "both you and we are offended by the United States" is in no way possible. The Americans are cunning jackals, they will immediately hurry up, give Gehlen to Erdogan, they will drive all sorts of nishyachki and Erdogan will understand and forgive them. And again we will remain in an idiotic position of no use to anyone. Better is Russian mystery and misunderstanding.
  13. fa2998
    fa2998 26 July 2016 18: 52
    +3
    Quote: BARKAS
    and that would not even be forgiven!

    Yes, our government has greatly lost its prestige among the people (I am among them). Well, there you are UNDERGATURES, well, Erdogan went to the world, they explained to him by phone, well, openly ask for petitions, they say they misled, the guilty will be punished. They explained to him that it’s necessary to somehow reassure the Russian people with anti-Turkish propaganda, and here it’s specially, YESTERDAY THE ENEMY TODAY IS ALREADY CARIFAN! After all, from the one who has obeyed the demand, he will receive in exchange for BILLION DOLLARS from construction sites, vegetables and fruits, tourists, etc.
    We have everything behind the curtains of secrecy, at first half a year the Turks were rinsed in the village of Derma, and then the FSB sent them the encryption, exposes the conspirators, surrenders to Erdogan. Now who is executed, who is imprisoned for life. Analysts are bad! negative angry hi
    1. You Vlad
      You Vlad 26 July 2016 19: 28
      +1
      Yes, the United States will not forgive him such a forgiveness! For the edification of the whole herd, and Erdogan already understood this! Roof or money? So he had a question. The people of Turkey told him where the money is Zin? And here, and so in the country there are many not happy ... Erdogan had to bow down and surrender the interests of the roof .. So thank you)) And what do we see in the end? The wave of patriotism and Erdogan's portraits are largely the result of his "sorry". Politics is a dirty business)
    2. You Vlad
      You Vlad 26 July 2016 22: 45
      0
      It’s necessary to be more flexible if we want to achieve our goals! They will still ask him, but then ... In the meantime, we showed that: look, we are doing everything for you. And in fact: what a healthy person is going to Turkey? other manufacturers scored on the shelves and you have to sweat a lot to get them back!
  14. Monos
    Monos 26 July 2016 18: 53
    +7
    In real chess, the grandmaster sacrifices a piece in order to gain a strategic advantage on the board. In big politics, they do the same.

    Hey, author, take it easy! You are talking about chess, not about playing Chapaev. The piece sacrifice is not a very common combination in this game. Not frequent at all! You can win in chess without sacrifice. And we do not need to push us to the idea that we should always sacrifice something. It's good to donate, it's time to realize your advantages!

    And by the way :
    Independence in a unipolar world is not welcome and doesn't say goodbye.
    I don’t accept this either! We are not the people to beg forgiveness from someone. Let them stick their Wishlist in ... well, in general, for the most tonsils. And to us their Wishlist:
  15. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 26 July 2016 18: 54
    +4
    to forgive, not to forgive .. this is in family life and with friends .. and in politics, we must observe the interests of the country. recall the Ribentrop-Molotov Pact. at that time he needed to delay time for regrouping forces. yes and not only .. only business and nothing personal.
  16. vfqjh
    vfqjh 26 July 2016 18: 57
    +1
    East, a delicate matter ... you cannot cut off your shoulder, but we need to pursue a favorable policy. Better a bad world than a good war. Our Lavrov is not dumbass, he will orient, I believe him.
  17. jovanni
    jovanni 26 July 2016 19: 04
    +3
    Quote: alfa19638
    You cannot forgive betrayal and hypocrisy, you need to boldly, consistently and firmly defend your position, and not seek benefits with two-faced, capable of betraying at any time "partners"


    But there are no others! And we do not live in space. So you have to live with them in mind ... These "partners" ...
  18. X Y Z
    X Y Z 26 July 2016 19: 05
    +1
    Is there any sediment left? Of course. Naturally, a person with a sound mind and strong moral values ​​will no longer go to Turkey and will not buy goods from this country, as before. But to understand why such a vigorous porridge is brewed, we must. As well as the fact that some of us simply cannot be told directly.


    Well, this is not for the Russian mentality! It is customary for us to either love to shiver, or not to accept completely. We have to wait for something and gain something, to build combinations, to grudge, we neither love nor know how. Therefore, the people can not immediately be reorganized, like politicians and in the minds of confusion and misunderstanding.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 26 July 2016 20: 59
      +2
      Quote: XYZ
      Well, this is not for the Russian mentality! It is customary for us to either love to shiver, or not to accept completely. We have to wait for something and gain something, to build combinations, to grudge, we neither love nor know how. Therefore, the people can not immediately be reorganized, like politicians and in the minds of confusion and misunderstanding.

      "Yes, Herr Peter, such is a two-faced European politician !!!" (c)
  19. Azim77
    Azim77 26 July 2016 19: 09
    +2
    Partner - yes, friend - no. Play together - yes, trust - no.

    Anecdote:
    You will be very puzzled by your chess partner if you sit down to play with him in boxing gloves.
    This is the only way to play chess with this "sultan".
  20. unsinkable
    unsinkable 26 July 2016 19: 14
    0
    Not a desire. Russia, but only the need to cooperate with Turkey brought our countries closer. I emphasize: Russia and Turkey have come closer, but have not made friends. You need to keep your ears open and use the situation with maximum benefit.
  21. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 26 July 2016 19: 20
    -2
    This is the task of failure and all in the unknown to the end. You just need to trust our PRESIDENT, and not chat here. One Turkey Must Know While NATO Member
  22. Khariton
    Khariton 26 July 2016 19: 21
    -2
    Something again, a stupid minusometr appeared ... Well, who are the men? Damn interesting already .... bully
    1. You Vlad
      You Vlad 26 July 2016 19: 41
      0
      It's not me)) I guess you didn’t hit the trend)
  23. Berkut24
    Berkut24 26 July 2016 19: 25
    0
    There is Russia. The rest is secondary. Either temporary friends or temporary enemies. And taking into account how Erdogan implements the agreement with the EU, at best he will be a friend, but on an advance payment.
  24. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 26 July 2016 19: 31
    -1
    Well, about destroying us, the author certainly bent, but with respect to Erdagan, we need him less than we do, with a big story, Turkey and not Russia are put on the brink of existence, in fact Erdogan is at the wall, and with a competent approach you can rotate it well though not our method, excuse the mentality is not the one I want in fairness.
  25. Arkan
    Arkan 26 July 2016 19: 32
    0
    The result was rather bleak: Beijing and Riyadh did not partner with us, to put it mildly, and Tehran is now more interested in opening Western energy markets than in an alliance with the Russian Federation.


    It is clear that to each his own ... The three listed powers have never been our allies. The Chinese are typical hucksters, with a higher threshold of unacceptable losses than anyone else in the world, while their donation, in relation to the Western economy, is obvious. The US debt to China is $ 1,3149 trillion of evergreen candy wrappers, which the Anglo-Saxons are unlikely to return to the Chinese mandarins. The Saudis, in general, are eastern brothers sitting on an oil needle, whose money is the same with the Anglo-Saxons. The Saudis are such valiant warriors that, together with other oil producers of the Persian Gulf, since 2015 they have not been able to defeat the Houthis of Yemen. The Persians partially slipped out from under the sanctions, thanks to Russia, but their main money is still with the Anglo-Saxons. Moreover, in their case, it is beneficial for Russia that the Persians dilute the Middle East region with their presence, balancing other, overly zealous players, for example, Turkey. We will have to communicate with the Turks with or without Erdogan, since we are neighbors, straits and so on. Nursing them is not worth it, you do not need to forget anything. But, "if something happens," we have a rich experience of enlightening these neighbors.
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  27. fif21
    fif21 26 July 2016 20: 29
    +3
    What's on one side of the scale? Indistinct muttering about the downed SU, rejection of the Turkish Stream, support for ISIS militants, dumping prices for smuggled oil, export of terrorists (visa-free regime), including to Russia, destabilization of the situation in Azerbaijan and Armenia, Kurds, Greeks, Syrians, kissing Poroshenko ... On the other side of the scale - goods, tourists, stimulating demand for currency among the population of the Russian Federation, that's probably all! It is naive to wait for Erdogan to change politics; it is dangerous to be Erdogan's partner. The skin is not worth the candle. And the clumsy attempts of the authors to justify the change in the Kremlin's course are only annoying. hi
  28. raid14
    raid14 26 July 2016 20: 35
    0
    Why our specialists saved Erdogan from a coup d'etat is a controversial issue, the Americans wanted to remove him from his post, now the main card at stake is the resumption of South Stream through Turkish territory. The loss of Gazprom's national wealth is enormous. The estimated cost of South Stream was supposed to be 15,5 billion euros.
    Business, nothing personal.
    1. fif21
      fif21 26 July 2016 21: 30
      +2
      Quote: raid14
      now the main card at stake is the resumption of South Stream across Turkish territory. The loss of Gazprom's national wealth is enormous.
      Are you serious? For the sake of my friend Miller, the darkest one has replaced anger with mercy? It seems to me that Kudrin's "hand" - the ruble - is strengthening, reserves in foreign currency, the budget is bursting, so they drove "extreme" tourists under the bombs of terrorists. fool And yet, in the event of the defeat of ISIS, the women, with Russian citizenship, will run home through Turkey, so to speak, a corridor. am
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  29. nachprod92
    nachprod92 26 July 2016 20: 36
    +1
    The Russian language is mighty: whoever remembers the old is over, and whoever forgets is two.
  30. Bramb
    Bramb 26 July 2016 20: 49
    +1
    I wrote everything correctly.
    Only one thing is depressing: such obvious things must be explained to people. And to read between the lines (i.e., think, analyze), too, the majority forgot how, young and did not know how. This is sad.
  31. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 26 July 2016 21: 26
    +2
    Brother, comrade, friend, partner, colleague, sister, matchmaker, father-in-law and mother-in-law all rolled into one, father and mother-native are our Erdogan, everything is ours. After all, the line of the party is wavering, and, as always, part of the people is with it. As is familiar from the past. This is how the country comrades hesitated. God meet you.
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  33. faterdom
    faterdom 26 July 2016 23: 27
    +1
    It is necessary to destroy NATO through Turkey. They are not on the way, our job is to root in Turkish heads.
  34. aleksandrs95
    aleksandrs95 26 July 2016 23: 31
    -2
    Medvedev cut the economy very much, the CBR works for the IMF, we are inferior in many economic positions, and GDP is forced to correct the situation as possible.
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 26 July 2016 23: 55
      +2
      Quote: aleksandrs95
      Medvedev cut the economy very much, the CBR works for the IMF, we are inferior in many economic positions, and GDP is forced to correct the situation as possible.

      Prala say, he is one of us, a fighter for freedom and independence, cooler than the sales of Comrade Rimbaud, he only sneaked at him alone, he was imposed on the Horogs on all sides, the Medvedevs, but the Dvorkovichs, and the most fursins are different.
      Right now it’s too early to kick up, you need to get enough strength, sixteen years is not a deadline, shed sixteen more, well, to the far end, two by six. And then thenaaaaaaaa, the sun of Freedom will shine for us, sorry tokmo, at that time beautiful I will not have to live either crying
  35. zoomIZH
    zoomIZH 27 July 2016 00: 09
    0
    Quote: vladislaw2030
    Here, all the people are military

    not at all ...
  36. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 27 July 2016 00: 12
    +1
    Stupidity written.
  37. iouris
    iouris 27 July 2016 00: 54
    0
    God save us from such friends, and we ourselves will defend ourselves from enemies.
  38. ver_
    ver_ 27 July 2016 03: 07
    +2
    Quote: V.ic
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Anecdote of the 30s:
    The communist is asked:

    Dy'k know who wrote jokes, and then for the "37th year" was offended ...

    ..For what are you sitting?
    For laziness ..... Is that so? ... So in the evening, over a bottle, my neighbor told a joke .., I thought to go to the organs in the morning, but he did not wait, immediately ran away ..
  39. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 27 July 2016 03: 42
    +1
    Of course, a feeling of revenge is bubbling in the chest, but on the other hand, all wars and conflicts end one way or another. Despite the losses in the Second World War, we are cooperating with the Germans. Probably you need to negotiate knowing what kind of peppers and bend your gain. Probably somewhere like that.
  40. Mirrorfax
    Mirrorfax 27 July 2016 07: 37
    -1
    Very correct article. The "Never say never" postulate only adds gray matter to the "cold" head. Tantrums in international politics are only harmful. I am glad that now, instead of being confused enough to explain the situevina with Turkey in my own words, there is where to send those who do not catch up with "why".
  41. Alex von Dorn
    Alex von Dorn 27 July 2016 08: 10
    0
    I completely agree with the author, except that I would have reduced the colors in the evaluation of the sacrificial sheep. Russia needs to be flexible and pragmatic. We sacrifice a pawn (albeit very painful), but we drive the enemy into a corner. We will see what this angle will be in August, after Erdogan’s visit to Russia.
  42. vnord
    vnord 27 July 2016 10: 00
    0
    To forgive or not to forgive, this question cannot be posed. There are geopolitical interests of the Russian Federation, and if from the point of view of geopolitics it is profitable to forgive, if not, not to forgive. As "partners" say, nothing personal, just business.
  43. Phosgene
    Phosgene 27 July 2016 12: 21
    0
    Turkey has already shown itself more than once! Russia does not need such `` friends ''
  44. Aristide
    Aristide 27 July 2016 16: 55
    0
    In this article there is a rational kernel. Russia, represented by the then USSR, even agreed with Germany (Germany) after the Second World War. Yes, Russians are obliged to remember the villainy committed by Turkey in relation to the Russian aircraft, and they are obliged to invoice both moral and material. But one cannot ignore international relations between states for a long period if there are prerequisites for these relations. We must live on, but do not forget about caution and prudence when interacting with an unpredictable neighbor.