Military Review

German command: "Kill all Russian." Part of 1

40
German command: "Kill all Russian." Part of 1



At the end of the first year, all students were sent to the village of Zolotaya Kosa, an educational institution that previously belonged to an agricultural institute. The German Uchkhoz was turned into a state estate, the manager of which was a German officer. Military discipline was introduced. The students lived in a barracks position, receiving uniforms of German soldiers. Every day a duty officer was appointed to the state farm, who kept order, and at night the students patrolled the stables. In the mornings, despite the rain, wind, frost or snow, the students ran a few kilometers, “doing sports”. Lacked in the race or did not appear for a jog beat. The head of the uchkhoz (“chief”) often attended classes and interviewed students. Those who did not know the material or who answered in the wrong way were punished for any offenses. Forced to do the dirty work: wash the floors, clean the stables and horses. Lyudmila concludes her essay with gratitude to the Red Army for the liberation of the city, for the fact that the children “returned to school. Our gratitude to the Red Army will be our excellent study, exemplary behavior and assistance to the front. ”



School essays of the Great Patriotic War - a specific type of sources about the wartime and wartime childhood. “Undoubtedly, essays are subjective and cannot be an absolutely reliable source for recreating the school practices of the affected period. The children themselves didn’t see much of this, scooping up information from adult stories from media reports. Personal experience of experiences was represented by schoolchildren not directly, but through the prism of children's memory with all its features, ”says historian A.Yu. Rozhkov. Nevertheless, these materials are unique sources about the epoch, reflecting the subjective experiences of childhood experiences, which have a testimonial value.

Drafts of works for the hand-written magazine “Taganrog in the Occupation”, found in the Taganrog branch of the State Archive of the Rostov Region (hereinafter - TF GARO) were analyzed. The magazine was prepared by teachers and students of schools in the Leninsky district of the city of Taganrog (No. 2, 3, 15) and transferred to the city executive committee at the end of 1943 - the beginning of 1944. In total, 29 essays were analyzed - 27 essays of schoolchildren and two essays written for teachers by the magazine. These are mainly compositions of students of 5 (6 compositions), 6 (5 compositions) and 7 (8 compositions) classes. Three essays were written by tenth-graders and one essay by a student of the 3 class. Authorship of four works could not be established.



Schoolchildren described their experiences after the occupation regime ended. The historian Rozhkov suggests that after being released, "many of their assessments of the experience and tactics of representing emotional reactions were morally constructed, based on the adolescents' awareness of the results of the occupation period, which left deep scars in their memory." A.Yu. Rozhkov also points to the need to take into account the high degree of influence of official Soviet propaganda, the influence of significant adults on the design of children's writings, as well as increased emotionality and active work of the imagination. However, these circumstances do not diminish the value of children's descriptions of the experience, as they allow children to see the perception of the surrounding reality.

The first thing you should pay attention - the names of the works. They convey the overall mood of each work: hatred of the enemy, thirst for revenge, joy of liberation, grief for the dead. Among the analyzed works most often the following titles are found: “Never to forget”, “Taganrog in the occupation”, “Under the Germans”, “The horrors of the occupation”. Other names, although they are found only once, are more original in their meaning: “To fascist penal servitude”, “Komsomol members know how to die for their Motherland”, “Immortal feat”, “How our school died”, “How our father died”.



It can be assumed that the themes of the essay were given by the teacher. At the same time, the children had the opportunity to choose their own topic, not describing the occupation of Taganrog as a whole, but a separate case from their own lives (or the lives of their relatives and friends) in occupied Taganrog. Probably, the children were instructed by the teacher about the main content of the essays. Nevertheless, many students described in their own way the events that took place and the individual experiences associated with them, while remaining within the boundaries set by the teacher or society.



Most of the works contain several typical semantic blocks: 1) the battle for the city and the seizure of Taganrog by the German army, the beginning of the occupation; 2) a description of the crimes of the Nazis; 3) life in the occupation, the hope of liberation; 4) the flight of the enemy and the arrival of units of the Red Army. Part of the essays are devoted to certain aspects of life in occupied Taganrog: 1) crimes of the fascists; 2) hijacking a job in Germany; 3) feats of underground workers and ordinary citizens; 4) life and study in the agricultural school.

The war, which had previously seemed distant and incomprehensible, came close to Taganrog at the end of September 1941. The children saw the reasons for the Soviet defeats in the first months of the war in the suddenness of the attack, the qualitative and quantitative preponderance of the enemy troops: “Sudden attack”; “The unexpected attack of the personnel army of the Germans forced our Red Army to temporarily leave some part of our territory. And this gave a reason for the German leaders to shout about a “blinding” war, and about the “invincibility” of the German army. ” “At that moment, they had a qualitative and quantitative superiority in manpower and equipment, since almost all the countries of Western Europe occupied. Psychological attacks, with the support of the SS, the Nazis moved forward, occupying Soviet cities and villages. "

October 17 the Nazis entered the city. For the residents began the terrible and endless 22 of the month of the “new order” that took the lives of tens of thousands of peaceful Taganrozh people: “You remember this time with horror and shudder”; "22 of the month of heavy sleep, continuous nightmare"; “The Taganrog occupation newspaper Novoye Slovo was straining, urging the population to work to strengthen the German army, wrote about the“ great care of the Führer ”about the Russian people, about the“ unprecedented victories ”of the German troops.” Following in the work to create a contradiction is a quote from the appeal of the German command to the soldiers: "Kill every Russian."

The overwhelming majority of the writings are characterized by emotional coverage of the occupation, a description of the resilience of the will of local residents, and hatred of the enemy. Capturing the city, the "liberators" immediately began to establish a new regime. The overall impression of the fascists and their activities was extremely difficult: “The Germans destroyed the House of Specialists and a number of new schools, and in the park they set up their own cemetery”; “The Germans burned down the Palace of the Pioneers, the commandant’s offices and headquarters organized the school buildings”; “The occupants ravaged their native city, cut down our beautiful park, destroyed schools and many houses”.

Shortly after the beginning of the occupation, the Nazis began to rob the local population: “As soon as the Germans entered the city, the looting began in the city. The Germans, like hungry wolves, were scouring their homes and taking everything that came handy. They covered their robberies with a lie that it was robbed by Russians who were dressed in German uniforms ”; “With anger and hatred, we looked at the German burglars who robbed apartments, chased pigs, chickens, geese, like hungry wolves. We could not evacuate and suffered the need for captivity. ”

Taganrozhtsy had to go through a massive theft of the working population in Germany. The labor exchange was called "the gateway to hell." The word "exchange" frightened students of few schools. To avoid being hijacked for work, young people were shipped by sea to the free territory of the USSR, where they became partisans, joined the Red Army.

In the essay of Viktor Makarov, a description of the trip to work in Germany is given. During transportation, the hijacked persons were tolerated only up to the border with Poland. After leaving Warsaw, it became worse to feed: once every three days they gave one bun for five people. Brought to the city of Wuppertal - the center of the chemical industry. Everyone there was settled in the barracks for 40 people each, fed with soup (“water”) and bread (200 g), beaten about and without cause. People worked from 4 to 22 hours. Those hijacked were allowed to write letters home. People wrote that they were well treated. They did it either voluntarily (because of the fear of punishment), or by agreement reached in advance with the family: if he writes that everything is good, then everything is bad. Viktor managed to deceive the medical commission that checked arrivals before being assigned to work. He pulled his legs with ropes so that they swelled up. For four days he was kept in a quarantine hut, and then sent back home. On the way back, the situation was the same: they began to tolerate treatment only after crossing the Polish border. Victor is one of the few who managed to survive after a trip to work in Germany. And although he spent a little time in Germany, the text implies the attitude of the Germans to those who were hijacked to hard labor.

Some writings describe the feats of local residents and underground workers. So, Tamara Romanova from 5 "A" class describes the incident that occurred on October 17 1941. When the Germans entered the city, one of the locals threw two grenades at the Germans. Three soldiers were injured, one officer was killed. Immediately this unknown person, whose name was not indicated in the essay, put a bullet in his forehead.

In another essay, it is described how, during the preparation of sending to work in Germany, members of the underground secretly slid every leaflet calling for the people to prevent the hijacking to Germany. The turmoil began. The policemen, in whose pockets these leaflets also turned out, began a search, but could not catch anyone.

Lydia Alekseeva from 7 class of school No. 15 writes about the underground workers who studied at the agricultural school: “The school was a model of German“ culture ”,“ order ”and“ education ”. 120 students studied in it, among which 75-80% were members of the Komsomol who made the core of the underground organization. ” 17 students were underground fighters, they were calculated and shot.

In one of the essays is a letter from the underground worker Nikolai Kuznetsov to his mother. On the eve of his execution, his friend in prison had memorized this letter, and then handed Nicholas to his relatives. The letter said: “Soon, lights will be lit on the shores of the Sea of ​​Azov, and the Red Army will be in Taganrog. On that side they know about us and they remember about us. ”

Lyudmila Chazovaya from the 10 class of the 2 school tells about her life and studies in an open agricultural school by the Germans. She points out that "many young men and women of our city, in order to avoid being sent to Germany, entered the agricultural school", in which they trained agronomists. The school taught subjects exclusively related to this specialty. Lyudmila writes: “This teaching was absolutely not like teaching in our Soviet schools and educational institutions. Here they tried to turn us into obedient and unquestioning performers of the will of the German masters. ”

The brightest and happiest memories of children relate specifically to events related to the liberation of the city. 14 February 1943, the Soviet troops liberated the regional center Rostov-on-Don, but for another half a year there were battles on the Mius-front to bring freedom to the Taganrozh people. Leonid Tarovsky wrote an essay "Liberation": "The city felt tense, and every day the tension increased. The Germans were leaving the city: the lead thunderclouds hung over them of popular revenge. Above the city flashed a ray of speedy release. 29 August, on Sunday, began the wholesale flight of Germans from the city. Policemen, “civilized” savages, fled, fleeing, burned down factories, schools and the best buildings of the city ”.

Many essays contain words of gratitude to the Red Army for the liberation of the city: "Everyone was waiting for the arrival of the Red Army, all two years of occupation"; "Joy filled the hearts."

One of the students quotes Stalin's words: “The Red Army has become angrier and merciless. They understood that it was impossible to defeat the enemy without learning to hate him with all the forces of the soul. ” Children call the Red Army "the united fist of the peoples of the USSR". Schoolchildren called on Soviet soldiers to avenge the Germans for them. The children declared that they themselves would take revenge too, but in their own way: “I take my interest in studying well at school.” At the same time, schoolchildren mourned for the dead: "relatives, friends, those who could not meet the Soviet army."

To be continued ...

Использованная литература:
Ageeva V.A. Pages of school everyday life of the city of N ... in 1943-1945. (on the materials of the personal wartime diary by ME Galakh-Muravyova) // Radical change in the Great Patriotic War: the 70 anniversary of the liberation of the Don and the North Caucasus: materials of the International Scientific Conference (Rostov-on-Don, 6-7 June 2013 g.). Rostov-on-Don, 2013. C. 301.
Rozhkov A.Yu. School essays on the experiences during the occupation of Krasnodar (February 1945) // Past years. 2010. No. 2. C. 88.
Author:
40 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 26 July 2016 06: 32
    +8
    Many essays contain words of gratitude of the Red Army for the liberation of the city: “Everyone was waiting for the arrival of the Red Army, all two years of occupation”; "Joy filled the hearts."

    I wonder what the relatives of the current "Velikoukrov" wrote during the occupation of Ukraine? Although it can be assumed with a high degree of probability that they were happy with the Nazis. Write, Polina, we will read.
    1. Proxima
      Proxima 26 July 2016 07: 53
      +10
      Everything is logical. Every action gives rise to opposition. There - "kill the Russian", we have "kill the German" - the famous poem by Ilya Ehrenburg. After all, no one has canceled the power of art! "Kill the German! - the old woman-mother asks. Kill the German! - the child begs you. Kill the German - this is the native land screaming. Don't miss. Don't miss. Kill!"
      1. NikolaiN
        NikolaiN 26 July 2016 08: 46
        +23
        Yes, everything is logical. Only "kill a German" is already a "response" to "kill a Russian", this is exactly opposition, we remember who first started ...
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 26 July 2016 09: 42
      -2
      They are addicted to good coffee.
    3. dumpy15
      dumpy15 26 July 2016 11: 27
      +5
      "The Fuehrer said: right or wrong, but we must win. This is the only way. And it is justified, both from a moral standpoint, and from the point of view of necessity. And when we win, who will ask how we achieved this. " Goebbels, 16.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX
      I remember the recent Bandera: "First, persuade, well, we'll hang it later."
    4. The comment was deleted.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 26 July 2016 07: 14
    +6
    Thank you, Polina, we look forward to continuing ...
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 26 July 2016 07: 21
    +12
    “The historian Rozhkov suggests that after their release“ many of their assessments of their experiences and the tactics of representing emotional reactions were morally constructed based on the adolescents' awareness of the results of the occupation period, which left deep scars in their memory. ”A.Yu. Rozhkov also points out the need to take into account the high the degree of influence of official Soviet propaganda, the influence of significant adults on the construction of children's compositions, as well as increased emotionality and active work of the imagination. "

    These words evoke a double feeling. It seems that the children wrote about the PERSONALLY experienced horrors of the occupation, but the historian, as it were, smooths the corners, indirectly accusing the children of inventions, emotionality, "propaganda". No.
  4. Signore Tomato
    Signore Tomato 26 July 2016 07: 35
    +14
    What is this A.Yu. Rozhkov. ???
    You read it and perceive it as: "The children invented everything, because they are such dreamers. They listened to adults, and they heard from someone else. Their teachers were forced to write about the atrocities of the Nazis." !!!
    Well, why is there no commission of professional suitability to historians ??? Drive to the neck !!!
    1. Beefeater
      Beefeater 26 July 2016 08: 42
      -18%
      Quote: Signor Tomato
      What is this A.Yu. Rozhkov. ???
      You read it and perceive it as: "The children invented everything, because they are such dreamers. They listened to adults, and they heard from someone else. Their teachers were forced to write about the atrocities of the Nazis." !!!
      Well, why is there no commission of professional suitability to historians ??? Drive to the neck !!!

      The Red Army also did not suffer from an excess of mercy. In Germany, we came off to the full. I even had to write a special order for Betting.
      The historian must be neutral. And work in the name of truth. Using different sources.
      What you mean is not historians but agitators. I personally have no desire to study agitation.
      .
      1. Vovanfalcon
        Vovanfalcon 26 July 2016 09: 10
        +12
        And in more detail ... where did we come to the fullest ??? ... sources in the studio, if you are referring to them!
        1. mirag2
          mirag2 26 July 2016 10: 07
          +10
          Obviously its sources are German films released after 2008.
          1. Beefeater
            Beefeater 26 July 2016 11: 39
            -9
            Quote: mirag2
            Obviously its sources are German films released after 2008.

            No alas. There are books from the 60s. But lovers of singing to the drum and the pioneer horn is beyond understanding. There are no corresponding convolutions in the head.
        2. Beefeater
          Beefeater 26 July 2016 11: 36
          -15%
          Quote: VovanFalcon
          And in more detail ... where did we come to the fullest ??? ... sources in the studio, if you are referring to them!

          In Germany.
          The first time you heard?
          Don't you know about Stalin’s order? Why do you think this order was issued? So I refer not to them but to the order of the Supreme. January 19, 1945 He went to a campaign looking at the behavior of the valiant warriors of the Kr Army.
          In Koenigsberg, for example, stretch your fingers, clave the clave, take an interest.
          How Germans were raped, killed. Well and all that jazz. How prisoners were shot and hanged.
          You will find more than sources.
          1. onega67
            onega67 26 July 2016 11: 54
            +10
            They didn’t shoot enough and hung up !!!
          2. Turkish Granite
            Turkish Granite 26 July 2016 12: 20
            +6
            Even if for a second it was, and as you write, —Fighters of the Red Army, who saw German atrocities in our occupied land, who had lost relatives and friends in the occupation, should certainly be forgiving? And do not talk about military duty and morale of the armed forces, from the Germans we did not wait for them.
            1. Beefeater
              Beefeater 26 July 2016 16: 58
              +1
              Quote: Granit
              Even if for a second it was, and as you write, —Fighters of the Red Army, who saw German atrocities in our occupied land, who had lost relatives and friends in the occupation, should certainly be forgiving? And do not talk about military duty and morale of the armed forces, from the Germans we did not wait for them.

              So not for a second, but it was ...
              Another question is yes, we had such a moral right, after the ruin that the Germans arranged.
              Only after the events in Ukraine of the 14th year, it suddenly turned out that Bandera turned out to play the first violin both in Khatyn and in the Kiev ghetto and in the protection of the camps, but the workers of the Soviet information bodies bashfully ignored this. I want to ask the Communists, but why have you been silent all this time. Painfully uncomfortable questions appeared. They were embarrassed to report that a quarter of a million Soviet citizens of Ukrainian origin committed such atrocities that the SS men stood on end. And so it is everywhere.
          3. Vovanfalcon
            Vovanfalcon 26 July 2016 13: 43
            +4
            No, sweetheart. I will not poke fingers on the clave, I'm not sure that on the Internet I will find anything true. You already give links to official papers, and at the moment you are engaged in boltology, no specifics! And I know the order of Stalin and I understand the meaning of it, unlike you!
            1. Beefeater
              Beefeater 26 July 2016 17: 03
              -4
              Quote: VovanFalcon
              No, sweetheart. I will not poke fingers on the clave, I'm not sure that on the Internet I will find anything true. You already give links to official papers, and at the moment you are engaged in boltology, no specifics! And I know the order of Stalin and I understand the meaning of it, unlike you!

              Kisulya, Well, do not want to look for the truth on the Internet, go to the bookstore or to the archive. Everything is there.
              Stalin's order came out in response to certain actions. Just because no one writes such orders. What specifics do you need? What could be more specific than the order of the Supreme Commander-in-chief to shoot killers and rapists.
              1. Saburov
                Saburov 27 July 2016 00: 01
                +7
                Quote: Beefeater
                Kisulya, Well, do not want to look for the truth on the Internet, go to the bookstore or to the archive. Everything is there.
                Stalin's order came out in response to certain actions. Just because no one writes such orders. What specifics do you need? What could be more specific than the order of the Supreme Commander-in-chief to shoot killers and rapists.


                You are either deliberately lying, or bleating out of ignorance of the subject! In the first place, such an order was not a lie! He appeared from nowhere on the Internet. There is no copy of it, but the copy must be stamped, signed and archived! This heresy appeared from the words of Mrs. Sinyavskaya! In 2012, Ms. Senyavskaya published a huge (13 thousand words) article entitled "The Red Army in Europe in 1945. Old and new stereotypes of perception in Russia and the West." The detachment galloped to the enemy by no means free of charge, an explanation is given under the text: "The article was prepared with the financial support of the Russian Humanitarian Scientific Foundation, project No. 11-01-00363a".
                Ms. Senyavskaya takes the bull by the horns from the very first lines: “In the European information space, the topic of“ atrocities ”(yes, that's exactly what - in quotes, MS) of the Red Army on the territory of the Third Reich occupied by it in 1945 is constantly raised. .. The main thing is being ousted from the historical memory of the Second World War - that the USSR and the Soviet people saved Europe from the destruction of entire states and peoples, and even democracy itself ... "The first subtitle of the article is, of course," According to the recipes of Dr. Goebbels ", etc. Nothing new and interesting - but! My attention was attracted by the most amazing "document", which Mrs. Senyavskaya "quotes" already in the preamble of the article: "On January 19, 1945, Stalin signed a special order" On behavior in Germany, "which read:" Officers and Red Army men! We are going to the enemy country.Everyone must keep composure, everyone must be brave ... The remaining population in the conquered areas, whether German, Czech, or Pole, must not be subjected to violence. The perpetrators will be punished according to the laws of wartime. sexual intercourse with the female sex is allowed. For violence and rape, the perpetrators will be shot. "
                1. Saburov
                  Saburov 27 July 2016 00: 04
                  +5
                  Yeah ... If Mrs. Professor ever held in her hands real documents of the headquarters of the Red Army, then she should know that SO, in such a language and syllable there is not expressed. "Officers and Red Army men ... Everyone should be brave ... Sexual relations with the female sex ..." Comrade Dzhugashvili (Stalin) was not Russian by birth, was not a full member and professor of the Gareev Academy, but by the time of adulthood he had completely mastered the literary in Russian. All of his texts have characteristic, easily recognizable stylistic features. Only a very ignorant person can believe that this strange set of words could have been written and signed by Stalin.

                  Is Ms. Senyavskaya so ignorant? No and no again! You just need to read carefully. In the preamble of the article, this "quote" is given without any reference at all. Then, already in the body of the article, the title (but not the content!) Of the fake order is repeated once again ("On January 19, 1945, Stalin signed a special order" On behavior in Germany "). And after that the link is given [26]. What is [26]? A remarkably patriotic article by Ms. Senyavskaya has been posted on dozens of sites, the list of sources usually disappears during such "re-posts". However, he who seeks finds. Right here:
                  http://www.perspektivy.info/print.php?ID=137892
                  the article lies with the links.
                  To whom (what) does Mrs. Professor refer to under No. 26? Can you guess? I didn't guess. Due to some peculiarities of the style of the "document" I thought that this fake was written not in Russian (for example, by the glorious GDR party historians), but with a poor-quality translation these "officers and Red Army men" appeared in one bottle. But I was wrong, I confess.
                  The source of intimate knowledge for the doctor of historical sciences, a researcher at a serious institute was ... the book by Vladimir Medinsky "War". I'm not kidding. Ms. Senyavskaya is not joking either, i.e. guesses that the fake is very coarsely cobbled together, and with such "documents" you can be a little disgraced (for real shame and expulsion from the professional community, you need this very community, with which we have a lot of tension in Russia). Therefore, Ms. Senyavskaya, in her comments to the list of sources, i.e. where 99,9% of ordinary readers never look, explains that "I am not me, and the horse is not mine." In a professorial way, it looks like this:
                  "V. Medinsky refers to the publication" Orders of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief during the Great Patriotic War. "M .: Voenizdat, 1975. Such a collection of documents was published, but the aforementioned order for January 19, 1945 is not there. It is not in other publications of documents either: neither in the orders of the People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR, nor in the directives of the Headquarters of the Supreme Command for 1945 (see: Russian Archive: The Great Patriotic War. Orders of the People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR (1943-1945). T. 13 (2-3). M. : Terra, 1997; Russian archive: Great Patriotic War. Headquarters of the Supreme Command: Documents and materials 1944-1945. Vol. 16 (5-4). M .: Terra, 1999). In the Central archive of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation the text of Stalin's order from January 19, 1945 "On Behavior on German Territory" has not yet been discovered either. "
                  1. Saburov
                    Saburov 27 July 2016 00: 06
                    +3
                    Not found yet. But the article is already showing off. The Internet already gives hundreds of references to this "Stalin order".

                    Summary. All and sundry are plowing in the historical field. There are ordinary people (like the now-deceased last First Secretary of the USSR Writers' Union, Comrade V. Karpov) who sincerely do not understand what they write, what they say and what they refer to. This is how all these "negotiations in Mtsensk", "the Agreement between the Gestapo and the NKVD on the fight against degenerative manifestations" and other dregs that overwhelm the Internet. This case, however, is from a completely different series.

                    Here we are dealing with a deliberate (Ms. Senyavskaya never for a minute doubts that this "order" is a fake), deliberate (the "order" is needed by Senyavskaya in order to refute the hypothesis of the "infamous Solonin" that Stalin ordered to change the attitude towards the local population only AFTER the areas intended for transfer to the USSR and puppet Poland were cleared of the Germans) and by hypocritical misleading readers. "Abuse of trust", as it is called in the language of the Criminal Code. So the definition of "falsifier" to the long list of titles of Mrs. Senyavskaya is just in place.

                    PS In order not to buy into such stuffing and outright lies about the "atrocities of the Red Army", first take the trouble to find out what an archive is and how to work with it! And it would be a good idea to know what the Commandant's Office and the Soviet military administration in Germany are! It's not that you can't fall in love with a German woman; there, without the permission of these departments, even an ordinary Red Army soldier could not even pee in a German toilet bowl. All the same, the prestige and image of the Soldier-Liberator after all. Hence such supervision.
      2. Igor V
        Igor V 26 July 2016 11: 41
        +7
        Beefeater, if you were in the subject, you would know that orders about the attitude to the local population were written before the Red Army entered this or that country.
        1. Beefeater
          Beefeater 26 July 2016 11: 49
          -10%
          Quote: Igor V
          Beefeater, if you were in the subject, you would know that orders about the attitude to the local population were written before the Red Army entered this or that country.

          Well descriptions of tricks winners can not be counted. You can justify them with anything but they were, and no one denies this except you. But you need some special evidence. Are there photographs with seals?
          The Germans, of course, had their hands to the elbow in the blood, but ours did not remain in debt.
          "Trophy Germany, full of suitcases'", as the poet sang.
          1. dumpy15
            dumpy15 26 July 2016 13: 44
            +4
            Not many of our debts were paid to the Germans. Our trophies took out a little.
            The entire European part of the USSR was in ruins, not to mention Eastern Europe, and you reproach with the suitcases that drove into poverty? It is a pity that Stalin decided to build socialism in East Germany. The Germans had to do as they acted on the occupied territory of the USSR. In fair retribution.
            1. Beefeater
              Beefeater 26 July 2016 22: 59
              -1
              I do not reproach, I just say that it was so. Why in Eastern Europe they started building socialism I don’t understand, they now hate us for this.
      3. The comment was deleted.
      4. dumpy15
        dumpy15 26 July 2016 11: 43
        +4
        From Keitel’s order “on executions of hostages ...” (September 16, 1941)

        The means so far used to suppress the communist insurgent movement have proved insufficient.
        The Führer ordered the application of the most decisive measures everywhere in order to suppress this movement as soon as possible.

        It should be borne in mind that human life in the countries concerned in most cases has no value and that awesome action can only be achieved through extremely cruel measures. In such cases, the death penalty of 50–100 communists should serve as an atonement for the life of every German soldier. The methods of these executions should further increase the degree of frightening impact.

        This only concerned the Wehrmacht. Orders and instructions of the SS and SD troops are a separate topic. Chlorine pits, execution ditches, gas vans, Khatyn and Babiy Yar - for careful study by "neutral" historians, and comparison with "atrocities of Soviet troops in Germany."
      5. onega67
        onega67 26 July 2016 11: 52
        +4
        Judging by today's realities, still the Red Army still suffered from an excess of mercy !!! If it had not suffered, it could have been different. I believe that WE in Germany did not come off to the full. LITTLE, LITTLE LITTLE OFF !!! These monsters should not have remained in such quantity !!!
      6. Orionvit
        Orionvit 26 July 2016 17: 43
        +7
        The Red Army also did not suffer from an excess of mercy. In Germany, we came off to the full. I even had to write a special order for Betting.
        Well, first of all this is nonsense, although ours had every moral right. Our people are not the same, they do not have the same malice as in the Europeans. I agree, there were isolated cases of rape and looting, but they were suppressed immediately and in the bud, right up to execution. Anyone who writes about the atrocities of the Soviet Army, either does not know what the Soviet Army is, or is openly lying. In 1945, the Red Army was the most disciplined, trained and powerful military machine in the world. And what is "SMERSH" counterintelligence, or a special department, then no one knows? All negative cases with the local population were immediately identified and punished through military field courts, and believe me, they did not tweak there. They were shot at once. Unlike the rest of the armies, even the American one, where everything was covered, and the attitude of the winner to the vanquished was within the framework of the concepts of "civilized Europe".
  5. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 26 July 2016 08: 24
    +7
    Thank you very much for the story of Pauline. It just turns the soul.
    If historian Rozhkov would live in a constant threat of death for himself and his loved ones, starve, get colder, suffer humiliation, etc. Suffer and fear. And they would say to him ---- this teacher taught, it’s your prism of memory that works like that representation tactics.
    Children always see everything, they know everything, they remember everything. You can’t think that children are some kind of fools. Unfortunately, there are fewer people who survived the war. Grandmother died at 87 years old, and before 65 she did not talk about occupation. Also her sister didn’t say at all that she was already taken by train to Germany, and she managed to escape
    Another analogy went. Most of our citizens have never been to the United States and do not know what it is. But nevertheless, ---- someone taught, and nothing ---- with foam at the mouth they prove Western values
  6. semirek
    semirek 26 July 2016 08: 31
    +6
    In this war, there were not and could not be "good" Germans, since the installation of the Reich leadership said that the Slavs are not people - they must be mocked in every possible way, it is just working cattle to kill, this postulate was morally armed German soldiers at all levels, therefore, in order to find out the truth about the horrors of the occupation - you do not need to read some studies of pseudo-historians - the truth about the atrocities of the German occupiers has long become the property of our people, yes, you can find cases of humane attitude of individual Wehrmacht soldiers towards peaceful Soviet people and captured Red Army men but this is a drop in the ocean, and building on this the historical concept that even children's compositions are written under dictation, with the aim of "discrediting" the kindest Germans who "carry" liberation from Bolshevism to the peoples of Russia is simply immoral and criminal. The war crimes of the German state in the occupied Soviet territory - not a figment of the Stalinist imagination - is a bitter truth and a lesson to all the rulers of Russia and we will always remember this.
  7. Tanya
    Tanya 26 July 2016 08: 59
    +24
    An orphan who lost both parents writes on the bombs "For Daddy" and "For Mom". He does not need to fantasize, in contrast to the pseudo-historians. And this child will never forget who destroyed his family, as well as those who will drop these bombs on the heads of the killers. Together with childhood grief ...
  8. avia12005
    avia12005 26 July 2016 09: 11
    +18
    Interestingly, to feel a modern citizen of Russia, an officer or a soldier who has seen enough of the atrocities of the Nazis, and even lost their loved ones, when they hit Germany? It is easy for us now to talk about the fact that there was an order to prevent retaliation against the population of Germany ... But could they all restrain themselves? Do not blame them, you have to understand.
    1. Petrol
      Petrol 26 July 2016 10: 16
      -21%
      the Slavs, having attacked some Greek city, exterminated everyone from adults to small ones, even did not leave dogs alive, neglected such a valuable thing as a slave!

      translation of the text of a Byzantine historian of the XNUMXth century A.D. Procopy of Caesarea, but not a condensed translation like that of the follower of M. N. Pokrovsky, Academician B. A. Rybakov, but a more detailed
      1. Two handed
        Two handed 26 July 2016 10: 40
        +11
        Ancient Ukrainian?)
      2. Orionvit
        Orionvit 26 July 2016 18: 02
        +4
        translation of the text of a Byzantine historian of the XNUMXth century A.D. Procopy of Caesarea, but not a condensed translation like that of the follower of M. N. Pokrovsky, Academician B. A. Rybakov, but a more detailed
        What are you pointing out "ancient historians", you might think they were more honest than the present. Understandably, the Greco-Byzantine historian was fulfilling the order of his emperor, what he would write about the Slavs. On the other hand, maybe the Greeks themselves had a stigma in the cannon, and they themselves were worthy only of destruction, as in the case of 1945. A historian in our time, this is already a dirty word, they cannot agree on what happened, for example, 10 years ago (although everyone remembers this), and you are talking about the events of a thousand years ago. To immediately reveal all the delusional references to some Byzantine historian, it is enough to see that during the entire expansion of the Slavs, in fact, from ocean to ocean, not a single people was destroyed, but on the contrary, everyone is alive, healthy, speaking their own languages, and live in their historical lands, and stink in the Russians. Maybe all the same it was necessary to clean up someone.
  9. semirek
    semirek 26 July 2016 09: 37
    +7
    Quote: Beefeater
    Quote: Signor Tomato
    What is this A.Yu. Rozhkov. ???
    You read it and perceive it as: "The children invented everything, because they are such dreamers. They listened to adults, and they heard from someone else. Their teachers were forced to write about the atrocities of the Nazis." !!!
    Well, why is there no commission of professional suitability to historians ??? Drive to the neck !!!

    The Red Army also did not suffer from an excess of mercy. In Germany, we came off to the full. I even had to write a special order for Betting.
    The historian must be neutral. And work in the name of truth. Using different sources.
    What you mean is not historians but agitators. I personally have no desire to study agitation.
    .

    The Russian man, in principle, was never bloodthirsty and vengeful (except for probably troubled times and civil war, but this is a special case). The Soviet army of that time was at a moral height and came to Europe not to rob and kill but to free it from the brown plague, yes there were isolated cases - but excuse me, a multi-million dollar organism on foreign territory, there were enough criminals and random people and blaming the AC for some kind of mass genocide of the European population is simply ridiculous. One hundred cases of German women being raped by ten million Soviet soldiers is not an indicator. for the family murdered by the Nazis --- was completely satisfied with the capture of Berlin and Vienna with Budapest for the death of his relatives, rather than if he had cut out a dozen German families — what did he give him?
    1. Tanya
      Tanya 26 July 2016 10: 08
      +6
      You are absolutely right. The Russians took revenge in battle.
      From the Combat Journal
  10. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 26 July 2016 09: 37
    +8
    It turns out, but what does the historian Rozhkov teach when the witnesses of the War are still alive? What can be when they are gone ??? He will just teach that this is all "Soviet propaganda" and that "there was no war at all ". That is, like in Ukraine.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 26 July 2016 10: 13
      +4
      Quote: Reptiloid
      What does the historian Rozhkov teach when the witnesses of the War are still alive? What can be when they are no longer there ??? He will just teach that this is all "Soviet propaganda" and that "there was no war at all."

      Dmitry, historians by historians, but as always, everything starts from the authorities. If a government official Zakharova claims that Stalin is worse than Hitler, then historians are secretly given the right to spit on their past. And thanks to Pauline, we will remember.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 26 July 2016 10: 57
        +2
        Already with the keys, let me think, I'll look, and you wrote. On the one hand I agree, on the other hand, no. What is "above" broadcasting power is one thing, and what is below is another. For herself. What does Zakharov say to foreigners --- in another version, everything can change and she is not eternal in her position. Positions are changing, Russia is forever. Rozhkov will not run to complain to her if someone spits on him. , figuratively. It's his prism that works like that.
        And about the posts in connection with another article. Her. Excuse me, deviating from the topic. Here was a love triangle with the minister. Then the questions ---- why not sitting? And who is the relative?
        Therefore, what is in power ---- underwater stones in full.
  11. Turkir
    Turkir 26 July 2016 10: 10
    +3
    Unscrupulous Hollywood parrot pupils will soon write that we attacked Germany.
    Rezun already wrote this.
  12. semirek
    semirek 26 July 2016 10: 54
    +2
    Quote: Reptiloid
    It turns out, but what does the historian Rozhkov teach when the witnesses of the War are still alive? What can be when they are gone ??? He will just teach that this is all "Soviet propaganda" and that "there was no war at all ". That is, like in Ukraine.

    But we are alive - the descendants of the victors and witnesses of the atrocities of fascism in our country and we know the real truth. No horns with cutters are not able to replace the truth about the Second World War --- no matter how they try.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 26 July 2016 11: 06
      +4
      Quote: semirek
      No horns with cutters are not able to replace the truth about the Second World War --- no matter how they try.

      While those who remember are alive, no, but the ground is being prepared now, the rewriting of history is in full swing, although it has always been rewritten.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 26 July 2016 11: 19
        +2
        I didn’t add that --- when such words are spoken in Ukraine and monuments cripple our government, it condemns it.
        But how to rewrite history ---- there was an example of an article in the non-standard thinking in Hitler that Hitler strengthened the USSR. So, now everything is arranged so that rewriting begins with higher education, where such manuals can be published as manuals.
  13. semirek
    semirek 26 July 2016 14: 11
    +4
    The current Russian government makes one big mistake, namely: trying to merge into world space (economic and political), belittling our country's former services to the same world community, and this humiliation sometimes comes to self-flagellation, I mean the period of Stalin’s rule, yes , you can call him a bloody dictator, but you can call him a creator and a true Russian patriot who defended our country from enslavement by Europe in 41 and freed the latter from the brown plague - why should we be ashamed of this, but our government is ashamed of this, especially now against the background of patriotic education young people, like they say Germany condemned Hitler and we should condemn Stalin and delete from our history for the sake of the liberal west with its values ​​unacceptable to us. Regarding Zakharova’s statements, this position and this lady were again copied from the Western model, I’m not sure that she is a storehouse of historical and philological knowledge.
  14. dumpy15
    dumpy15 26 July 2016 17: 56
    +4
    Quote: semirek
    belittling our country's former services to the same international community

    I propose to forget this lascivious phrase: "the world community", which A. Zinoviev aptly called "global villainy". Otherwise I completely agree. Our ancestors saved their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren - that is, you and me. Now the word is ours ...
  15. Lyubopyatov
    Lyubopyatov 26 July 2016 18: 38
    +2
    "Historian Rozhkov" - who is he and where? Historian - or special propagandist of the Fourth Reich of Chubais and Gaidars?