Media: Syrian fighter shot down in the province of Hama

On Saturday evening, IG militants shot down a SAR Air Force fighter in the province of Hama, reports TASS Post TV Al Jazeera.

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"The plane fell to the east of the provincial center of Hama (220 km from Damascus) near the city of Salmiya," - said in a statement.

According to the channel, "the plane was shot down by ground-based anti-aircraft weapons." No other details are reported.

According to the agency, in Salmiya is the defensive line of Syrian government forces. Terrorists repeatedly attempted to get closer to the city, but all their attacks were repelled.

As reported by the Syrian Air Force Command on Wednesday, “as a result of several air strikes against concentrations of IS militants on the outskirts of Salmiya, more than 100 terrorists were eliminated, arsenals with weapons and ammunition, as well as 13 off-road vehicles with machine guns mounted on them. ”

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[Professor]

"The plane fell to the east of the provincial center of Hama (220 km from Damascus) near the city of Salmiya," - said in a statement.

The place of the fall is controlled by Assad troops.

[Same lech]

The place of the fall is controlled by Assad troops.

Professor can tell how the plane was shot down

[Thunderbolt]

According to the agency, a defensive is taking place in Salmi milestone Syrian government forces.

This means that there is a good chance that we didn’t see our own and terrible cinema. When our pilots left burning cars by parachute in the Second World War, Soviet industry often transplanted them even to more powerful aircraft. Syrians don’t have this, besides the wear and tear is significant, and fighters have to work on the ground, substituting under the intense fire of anti-aircraft machine guns and artful missile ambushes. But they fly and remain to bow to their courage.

[Professor]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

Professor can tell how the plane was shot down

They write about the anti-aircraft gun.

[NIKNN]

Well, soft and warm should not be confused. What Yak130, what are you talking about? A plane worth 20 mil. not intended for the database, (for us, and even in a hopeless situation), not having protection means ... Su25 is the best option because the retraining program for him is minimal, and they have pilots for KBA IBA prepared (Su22, MiG21). The price / performance ratio is optimal.

[Nick]

Quote: NIKNN

Which Yak130, what are you talking about? Aircraft costing 20 mil. not intended for the database

A series of smallish. With large-scale production, the price will be lower.

[stas]

In the photo is not a fighter, it's IB.

[vv3]

This is the SU-17M4. A cool car with a digital PNK. It is used, not for its intended purpose, as an attack aircraft over the battlefield. We removed our SU-17M4 from service and rotted at the storage bases. Instead, in Syria, the SU-34 and SU-24m were used for other purposes with the Hephaestus SVP .SU-17M4 operates in navigation bombing mode, according to the coordinates of previously entered targets.All our aircraft do not have, at least, a semi-automatic information channel for receiving target coordinates from other information systems in real time, including the SU-34, only manually by radio, given the speed it does not works .. The T-50 does not have such a channel, and it itself cannot provide information to other information systems. We do not have such systems and there are no such channels, even for UAVs ... Again, some victories ... Objections are accepted only reasoned ... Streamlined, gentlemen ...

[Observer2014]

The Syrians need a non-expensive universal aircraft in service. To make up for the losses. Yes, and the "friends-partners" out of anger the bandits can see the air defense supply little by little. I'm talking about the Yak 130 and Su 25. and yak130 single to make without training bells and whistles. Just a universal deshovy combat aircraft is needed.

[svp67]

Quote: Observer2014

The Syrians need in service not expensive universal aircraft.

They don’t even have money for that.

Quote: Observer2014

Yes, and "druzhbany-partners" out of anger the bandits can see the air defense supply little by little

Business and nothing personal. Everything is mixed up with money.

[K-50]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Observer2014

The Syrians need in service not expensive universal aircraft.

They don’t even have money for that.

And where to recruit pilots on it?
Pilots are the most expensive part of the plane.
In general, the trend is very unpleasant on the plane - two every week

[Talgat]

if there are not enough Syrians, Iranian pilots must be involved as well - they still have enough

[Franciscan]

the cat wept for Iranian aircraft

[Professor]

Quote: Franciscan

the cat wept for Iranian aircraft

It’s not about airplanes at all. The Persians do not want to lose their pilots. They prefer to fight with the hands of Russia.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Observer2014

it’s time to make the Yak130 single without training bells and whistles. It’s just that you need a universal cheap cheap combat aircraft.

We need a heavy drone so that it hangs over the heads of the Ishilians 24 hours a day, hampering their mobility, opening and lighting the situation, a shock.
And Yaki let them remain a school desk .... In the picture in a military body kit it looks menacing, but it is very vulnerable to air defense with such a nomenclature, and the possibilities of finding a target are limited, only for visible purposes it is akin to suicide.

[vv3]

Which drone? We don’t have drones that can hang for 24 hours, we don’t have drones that don’t transmit the coordinates of targets and a picture in real time? We do not have working information systems for accepting and analyzing real-time reconnaissance information, including from UAVs. And we won’t be able to defeat boarded guys because of this. Are there really people left who don’t understand this, except for our military command and the military industrial complex? They even manage not to notice this. Who still does not understand what needs to be done and where to spend the money?

[vv3]

And further . Without target designation, without information systems, any aircraft or helicopter that is looking for a target will be vulnerable. With normal modern target designation, the Yak-130 is also suitable for navigational bombing ... Syrian pilots die because of our inability to wage a modern war, they wanted to help, and again they justified ...., they couldn’t, as it should.

[APASUS]

Quote: Observer2014

The Syrians need an inexpensive universal plane for armament. To make up for the loss. Yes, and the "druzhbany-partners", out of anger, the bandits can be seen supplying air defense a little.

And where will they take the pilots? Syria already needs to think about its future, now ask the Russians to train crews, do a preliminary calculation of the needs for aviation, air defense and armed forces

[vv3]

All of Syria is under fire, planes are not needed, ACS and RZSO are enough. Another thing is that our army cannot provide modern target designation, we do not have combat information systems that should issue target coordinates to these ACS, MLRS, aircraft and helicopters. We do not know how to use modern information technologies. Attempts to create something have failed. This applies to systems such as ESU TZ "Constellation" and "Andromeda-D". But this failure is carefully hidden. A scandal is not far off. Someone will have to answer.

[aksakal]

Quote: vv3

This applies to systems such as ESU TZ "Constellation" and "Andromeda-D". But this failure is carefully hidden. A scandal is not far off. Someone will have to answer.

- is this your insider? For some reason, one cannot hear screams from the liberoids - they would be the first to scream. As I understand it, these systems are being finalized and quite effective.

[vv3]

They theoretically cannot be finalized. They have a wrong concept of creation and an outdated material base. They combine the information component and the command with material support. This concept is erroneous and difficult to implement. The terms of the beginning of 2000 and the term of equipping the army in 2020. What kind of modernization can we talk about? And the base must be changed, to a new one. The presidential program is a failure. But once again I declare: the concept itself is erroneous ..... Finished samples worth billions, right to the dump. The thunder will strike soon and the rats will run, and the switchmen will ....

[uhu189]

I have a question for you - where did you get such information?

[Pirogov]

Quote: Observer2014

. By the way, it’s time to make the Yak130 single without training bells and whistles. It’s just that a universal cheap cheap combat aircraft is needed.

I agree that the YAK 130 has long been time to do single and more combat.

[avt]

Quote: Observer2014

.I'm talking about YAK 130 and su 25. Cool, twist and do without help.

With what fright did these two cars level up, sharpened for absolutely different tasks ????

Quote: Pirogov

I agree that the YAK 130 has long been time to do single and more combat.

Well, it’s easier to build pilots who are going to send in a combat Yak-130 into battle and shoot them with an extraordinary rank and awards.

Quote: Observer2014

Syrians need an arsenal that’s not an expensive multi-purpose aircraft.

Or maybe to make new ones?

Quote: Observer2014

Just a universal cheap combat aircraft is needed.

Pushkin - our everything, re-read the tale .. About the priest and his worker Balda ", you can immediately from the place where -" And Balda beats and utters - "Would you not be chasing a pop for cheapness".

[Pirogov]

Quote: avt

Well, it’s easier to build pilots who are going to send in a combat Yak-130 into battle and shoot them with an extraordinary rank and awards.

The first I did not say that it must be built for the Russian Federation, the second, even the Yak 130 with the new Russian missiles will be competitive, this is my opinion it may not be true.

[avt]

Quote: Pirogov

, the second one even Yak 130 with new Russian missiles will be competitive, this is my opinion it may not be true.

As the negative hero said in the "Red Heat" - "Where are your proofs." If SUDDENLY 130 is brought to the level of the combat apparatus of the battlefield, and it is in such a stzi that you see it, you will have a lot of things to hang on it and .... you will get the Su-25 in the end. Well....

Quote: aksakal

Well, Brazilians are our enemies? No? What do they call it a bomber? Toucano? Or supertukano?

But sit on this pepelats and under the "ZU-1/4" welding, yes "Needle", but at least an old "Arrow", especially in the mountains. Then I'll talk to myself in the end, in view of the absence of an opponent for objective and quite foreseeable reasons. This is not a drug addict to drive in the Amazon with Kalash. Ours even in Afghanistan allowed all types, including the Yak-38 for combat, even the clever guys suggested planting a piston Yak-52, but thank God - no one did.

Quote: aksakal

Tukano, it may be hard to bring down, but it is not so expensive either.

Well, what can I say?

Quote: avt

Well, it’s easier to build pilots who are going to send in a combat Yak-130 into battle and shoot them with an extraordinary rank and awards.

Replacing the Yak with "Tucano", here are the same USs and Jews, the shock drones are scrambling, well, they are according to Zadornov - "Well, stupid-s-s-e!". They cannot read about "Tucano", at least on site.

[aksakal]

Quote: avt

But sit on this pepelats and under the "ZU-1/4" welding, yes "Needle", but at least an old "Strela", especially in the mountains.

- I designated the retrofitting of the Tucano with modern and quite effective systems against the same arrow - Vitebsk or President. I look at our helicopters - they are quite effective, so the arrow disappears. The memory of the height restriction - it hits no further than a couple of km, even if it hits further, then there purely theoretically - the probability of hitting practically tends to zero. Either it is very difficult to get in on an ultra-low one, as Russian helicopter pilots do, it is also very difficult to get in, the charger cannot even turn around with such speed, let alone hit.

Quote: avt

here are the same USs and Jews drone drone bridges

- Mr. "Captain Obvious", here and without you everyone knows that the best strike UAV. But does Russia have it? No? When will it be? Unknown? Is it even developed? No? Dear, you can close the topic on these issues due to the pointlessness of the conversation. There is no Russian drummer and will not appear in the next two or three years, we are waiting for all these "Skaty" no less than yours, but the reality is - YET IT DOESN'T WORK. Conclusion - we are looking for a real way out for the Syrian Air Force, no one will sell UAVs to Syria, they are not being sold to Russia, but you want for Assad. Expensive Syrian aircraft do not need anything, UAVs - there is no opportunity to purchase, what's the rest? Indeed, either China or Tucano. Assad has nothing more to offer.

[aksakal]

Quote: avt

Pushkin - our everything, re-read the tale .. About the priest and his worker Balda ", you can immediately from the place where -" And Balda beats and utters - "Would you not be chasing a pop for cheapness".

- Well, ok, are the Brazilians enemies to us? No? What do they call it a bomber? Toucano? Or supertukano? Here the Syrians are in the topic itself. Russia and Iran (certainly with Iran) are being thrown off to help the Syrians. The Syrians will remain completely without airplanes - there will be a big ass.
Avt, in fact, it's stupid to bomb these freaks from SU-34 planes when one take off of this plane costs more, all these cars with DShK on board, or that he will bomb there. Tucano may not be hard to shoot down, but it's not that expensive either. And if it is retrofitted with "Vitebsk", "Lever" or "President" - I don't remember what is against MANPADS? - and it will be possible to shoot him down only with an anti-aircraft gun. Frankly speaking, the task is not at all an easy one.

[Orionvit]

Yak-130 on your not expensive? But it also costs money. All Russian equipment is not very expensive compared to the US one, but what kind of engine will be installed on the Yak-130, if it was originally sharpened on the AI-222. Motor Sich is under the sanctions of its own government. Nonsense.

[Professor]

Quote: Orionvit

All Russian equipment is not very expensive compared to the state one,

And you compare in man hours.
If you want cheap equipment, then buy it in China. They have both airplanes and tanks and all sorts of things for sale.

[aksakal]

Quote: professor

If you want cheap equipment, then buy it in China. They have both airplanes and tanks and all sorts of things for sale.

fall on them just like that, from a banal technical malfunction? There is a Brazilian "Tucano", to modify it with protection systems against MANPADS such as "Vitebsk", "Lever" or "President" - and it's okay, it's an inexpensive plane, just against the babakhs.

[Professor]

Quote: aksakal

fall on them just like that, from a banal technical malfunction?

Are you sure that the Chinese aircraft accident rate is higher than the Syrian? By the way, the Syrians are armed with Chinese air defense systems.

Quote: aksakal

There is a Brazilian "Tucano", to modify it with protection systems against MANPADS such as "Vitebsk", "Lever" or "President" - and it's okay, it's an inexpensive plane, just against the babakhs.

The current Syrian aircraft do not have "systems of protection against MANPADS such as" Vitebsk "," Lever "or" President ", and it is not MANPADS that shoot down these sides.

[alexmach]

You do not evaluate everything Chinese by the most cheap consumer goods.
Sino-Pakistani JF-17 is almost what the doctor ordered.

[Koshak]

Quote: Observer2014

The Syrians need an inexpensive universal aircraft in service. To make up for the loss. Yes, and the "druzhbany-partners" out of anger the bandits can see the air defense supplying little by little. I'm talking about the Yak 130 and Su 25.

The Yak-130 is far from a cheap aircraft, especially for the Syrian budget.

[Pirogov]

Quote: Koshak

The Yak-130 is far from a cheap aircraft, especially for the Syrian budget.

But not as expensive as DRY.

[Observer2014]

Wow, what layer of questions am I at one time raised with one comment We need a cheap station wagon. The market situation is an interesting subject. We need an airplane a little more complicated than a "school desk". Everyone understands perfectly well that airplanes at the price of twelve Lyams are serious. reincarnated with a new filling. But I personally like the YAK 21 project.

[Franciscan]

Russia is happy to remove the L 39 from its armament and replace it with yaks, so they can be transferred, they have already been killed and all the time of the Soviet Union.

[alexmach]

You can transmit it, but who needs them there? Training, and even in that killed state?

But the fleet of old Soviet aircraft killed in the bud is a pity.

[uhu189]

Often, something has recently begun to bring down the Syrians. And they don’t say the model of planes. The roofing felts began to fly more - hence the losses increased proportionally, or indeed the air defense systems appeared more effective.

[prior]

If the photo in the article is not a photo montage, the Syrian pilots are desperate guys!
To fly at such heights is not the Tomahawks to shell with impunity.

[Koshak]

Quote: prior

If the photo in the article is not a photo montage, the Syrian pilots are desperate guys!
To fly at such heights is not the Tomahawks to shell with impunity.

Do you think the same aircraft will be shot in the picture at the same time? It’s good if the type of the shot down airplane matches the one in the picture, otherwise we’re like, they write about the Su-35, and the photo is attached with the F-15.

[Fitter]

[/ quote] otherwise we have it, they write about the Su-35, and the photos attach the F-15. [/ quote]
And this is even in the best case. Media editors need to be fired through one, always in the photo blunder on a blooper.

[sergey2017]

Quote: Observer2014

The Syrians need a non-expensive universal aircraft in service. To make up for the losses. Yes, and the "friends-partners" out of anger the bandits can see the air defense supply little by little. I'm talking about the Yak 130 and Su 25. and yak130 single to make without training bells and whistles. Just a universal deshovy combat aircraft is needed.

This is all right! Before giving anything to the Syrian Air Force, retraining of the pilots is necessary, and this stage takes a long period! When exported, the Yak-130 (~ 15 million for export) is positioned as a training complex for the development of Su-30MK fighters. Allows you to prepare pilots for aircraft of 4 and 5 generations (Su-30, MiG-29, F-16 and F-15, Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon, F-22, F-35). The aircraft has an electronic display built on three liquid crystal MFCI (multifunctional digital indicators) measuring 15 × 20 cm, without electromechanical devices, for each pilot. In the front cockpit there is an indicator on the windshield. Therefore, it is an expensive pleasure!

[novobranets]

I re-read the article twice, but did not find a hint of an answer to an important question, but what about the pilot?

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: novobranets

never found a hint of an answer to an important question, but what about the pilot?

I would venture to suggest that one hint is still there. This is the source of information ---Al Jazeera.
These "black flies" would not fail to savor the victory of ISIS. And since they are silent in a rag, then we write down only the Syrian fighter. And we are waiting for official information from the Syrian authorities.

[novobranets]

Everywhere the same

The fate of the pilot is still unknown

[Sergey-72]

Before giving anything to the Syrian Air Force, retraining of the pilots is necessary, and this stage takes a long period!

I think Syrian pilots in Russian universities are trained by both flight and technical personnel. The main thing is that our crews should not have guessed to board the Syrian planes. Recently they began to shoot down more often and it is sad and alarming that the "brotherly" help of mattress has come.

[sub307]

"... and it's alarming that the" brotherly "mattress help has come."
Yes, "don't go to the fortuneteller" .... "Bratskaya" ... - hardly, forgive the "mattresses" of ISIS for now ...

[sub307]

It remains to state: "in war, as in war ...". Recently I read an article (I can't find the link now, I'll find it - I'll throw it off), which provides a comparative analysis of the preparation and, accordingly, the actions on the battlefield of the fighters of the SAR and ISIS. There is a lot of interesting things, but .... the conclusion: ISIS members act more competently (otherwise they would have been squeezed out, or destroyed), that is, trained. Who trained ... probably clear. In this case, it may not be accidental (not in vain, for sure - my opinion): "On Friday, July 22, The Wall Street Journal published, citing sources in the Pentagon and the White House, information that the Russian Aerospace Forces launched air strikes in the south east of Syria on a rebel base used by US and UK special forces. " http: //military.rf/

[voyaka uh]

"in the Pentagon and the White House information that the Russian Aerospace Forces launched airstrikes in the southeast of Syria on the rebel base used by the US and UK special forces" ////

These are not those rebels. These are just about a month ago ISIS was routinely defeated from an ambush in about that area.
And the VKS bombed the base simply because there were no large stationary military targets left.
Strategists cannot chase individual BMPs, and Rakku cannot decide to bang the capital of ISIS.

[Old]

Somehow, everyone was already used to the fact that the bearded shot down planes and helicopters in Syria. Surprising approach commanders. Why are these victims? Is this attack really needed? Well, if it’s dangerous to fly during the day, work at night! Or from great heights. Artillery and drones should work during the day. Tactics need to be changed according to the situation. You can not please enemies, it raises their fighting spirit. I didn’t want to be clever, but it's a shame, damn it!

[vv3]

I’ve been smart for you already, read my comments and you will understand - why so!

[askort154]

If there are no losses in the war, including in the air, then this is not a war, but exercises. Although in exercises
there is an "acceptable loss percentage". And in Syria for 5 years now there has been a modern "chaos war", where everyone is howling with everyone.

[vv3]

You are behind the times, dear. What are the losses? Do you know what a modern contactless war is? What is information technology? Go to your own war or send your son ... Before you say something, you need to think. In modern war, people think, not break their bricks. ... The main protagonist of the conflict is the operator behind the monitor, not the fighter in your trench with a gun .... When will this be understood by our General Staff and people like you?