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Siberian Old Believers teach Russian military personnel survival in the mountain taiga.

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Siberian Old Believers conduct a survival course for the fighters of the mountain compound of the Central District, reports press office Central Military District on the website of the Ministry of Defense.


Siberian Old Believers teach Russian military personnel survival in the mountain taiga.


It is noted that the agreement on the course "was reached between the district command and representatives of the old believer community before the beginning of the school year."

"Today, army helicopters aviation landed the first group of 10 people in the area of ​​the Tuvan village of Ust-Already. Mountain shooters, who had previously completed a training program at the Ergaki Center for Military Sports Training in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, will, under the guidance of instructors, have to go through an increased difficulty route along the banks of the Small Yenisei River, "
says release.

It is also reported that "on the way, servicemen will master the skills of orientation and making a march over rough terrain, overcoming water obstacles, gorges and rocks, equipping camps, building fires and getting food."
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  1. Teberii
    Teberii 22 July 2016 13: 22
    +11
    Interaction is necessary and only supported.
    1. cniza
      cniza 22 July 2016 13: 51
      +30
      It is noted that the agreement on the course "was reached between the district command and representatives of the old believer community before the beginning of the school year."


      Very correct and not a standard approach. Successes.
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 22 July 2016 14: 04
        +32
        Siberian Old Believers conduct a survival course for fighters of the mountain compound of the Central District

        Finally, a good, really good idea was born in some clever head. Nothing sticks to memory like practice. Especially with the "aborigines" who pass on all the nuances of survival in the taiga with "mother's milk" ...
        1. jjj
          jjj 22 July 2016 16: 56
          .
          And how "Old Belief" can affect the level of training of our military. You can't look at monitors, communications are also intrigues of evil spirits. Killing is generally a sin. There is something wrong with the message
          1. Red_Hamer
            Red_Hamer 22 July 2016 17: 27
            +7
            And how "Old Belief" can affect the level of training of our military. You can't look at monitors, communications are also intrigues of evil spirits. Killing is generally a sin. There is something wrong with the message
            Watch a film about the Old Believers, it will be useful to you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0V1mnTTkP0
          2. max2215
            max2215 22 July 2016 17: 38
            -3
            So Old Believers or Old Believers? These are, after all, two completely different communities, although they both try to avoid "peace"
            1. Lyubteh
              Lyubteh 23 July 2016 08: 20
              0
              What are the cons? The question is right.
            2. olegyurjewitch
              olegyurjewitch 24 July 2016 17: 34
              +2
              Quote: max2215
              So Old Believers or Old Believers? These, after all, are two completely different communities.

              Old Believers and Old Believers, one essence, but what difference does it make, we pray with two fingers or a pinch, To defend our homeland, even if you are a pagan, but we will stand up for our own with our own breasts, we don’t need someone else!
            3. navigator
              navigator 24 July 2016 20: 32
              +2
              Quote: max2215
              So Old Believers or Old Believers? These are, after all, two completely different communities, although both are trying to avoid "peace


              Sorry, but you wrote nonsense. Old Believers are Old Believers. They have different meanings: priests, Bespopovtsy. For a long time they were called Old Believers, Old Believers and did not want to be called Old Believers. But over time they got used to it.
              If interesting
              http://ruvera.ru/starovery#starovery_staroobr
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            5. Sergei1982
              Sergei1982 25 July 2016 05: 11
              +1
              If I am not mistaken, the Old Believers and Old Believers are one and the same.
              1. Chisayna
                Chisayna 25 July 2016 05: 32
                -1
                These Kaa-Khem Old Believers are chasteners. Read: Emelyanov. "
                You can't leave the world. "
          3. Mourner
            Mourner 23 July 2016 14: 50
            +2
            Oh you, Marshal Couch! The old believer is not a religion, but a way of life (for those centuries of life in isolation), they know a lot and can teach children serious things. It's not about Old Believers (no students are going to convert to the old faith), but the experience of living in the mountains and taiga because they are still alive! Sorry, you are Marshal, so match your rank!
            1. jjj
              jjj 23 July 2016 18: 41
              +1
              It is very regrettable when they begin to confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs, and being with faith. The most striking thing is that no one has yet remembered the pagans, that truly "people of nature"
            2. ver_
              ver_ 25 July 2016 04: 18
              -3
              .. what does faith have to do with it. A person quite calmly withstands a full hunger strike of 40 days after a good bowel cleansing enema, if he has a sufficient fat reserve. I had a "client" who did not completely eat for 47 days (until the white plaque disappeared from the tongue) .. He started his hunger strike according to the Church fast .. He finished the fast - a splinter of a splinter, and by the New Year he appeared very coarse ..
              A death is known 6 months after a complete refusal of food (a woman kept a diary).
              An integral science of survival has been developed - the Old Believers do not stand close in terms of knowledge in this matter - they simply do not need this in their life ..
              1. navigator
                navigator 25 July 2016 11: 19
                -1
                Quote: ver_
                .. what does faith have to do with it. A person quite calmly withstands a full hunger strike of 40 days after a good bowel cleansing enema, if he has a sufficient fat reserve. I had a "client" who did not eat completely for 47 days (until the white plaque disappeared from the tongue) ..


                You haven't tried it yourself? Scientific fasting (as it is called by those who practice it, usually practice for 10-21 days) has nothing to do with fasting. Fasting is not a "hunger strike", as you write. It only limits the number and composition food (meat, dairy, in strict fasts and fish are not used.) My colleague has been "scientifically" starving for many years 3-4 times a year, usually for 10 days. The most difficult thing is to get out of fasting so as not to ruin the stomach. juices, then mashed potatoes, etc. The whole "science".
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          4. Butchcassidy
            Butchcassidy 25 July 2016 08: 42
            0
            Quote: jjj
            And how "Old Belief" can affect the level of training of our military. You can't look at monitors, communications are also intrigues of evil spirits. Killing is generally a sin. There is something wrong with the message


            Do not understand the Old Believers primitively. By the way, the Old Believers were the merchants Mamontov, Morozov ... Until recently, a controlling stake in Boeing belonged to American Russian Old Believers.

            In many ways, the destruction, including of the Old Believers, was a serious blow to the entrepreneurial elite of Russia.
          5. Trotil42
            Trotil42 25 July 2016 08: 47
            +2
            I have a great-grandfather starover .. what do you know about them? If I knew I didn’t carry such nonsense ... Old Believers are different ...
        2. Mourner
          Mourner 23 July 2016 14: 37
          +3
          Andrey, what can I say? They’re right for 100500 percent, but I can’t put a plus sign, well, I’m a hag! Old believers have been living there for centuries, who, if not them, have to teach the guys what they absorbed into their mother’s milk! GOOD FELLOWS !!!
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 22 July 2016 14: 38
        +29
        Quote: cniza
        Very correct and not a standard approach. Successes.

        Still, it is also of great benefit to them to read "Dersu Uzala" (I read about five times, I remember a lot by heart) ... remember: "You can't eat, why kill?" or "Don't touch anyone, and he won't touch .. . ", or:" Do not throw food into the fire. Give it to the ants-HIS, people too "...! a wonderful work of Arseniev, equal to Mine Reed, or Fenimore Cooper.
        1. Tatar 174
          Tatar 174 22 July 2016 14: 55
          +8
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          ... remember

          How not to remember !!! Remember, remember, but to those who are now 20-30 do they know him ???
        2. sibiryk
          sibiryk 25 July 2016 10: 17
          0
          Vladimir Klavdievich, definitely steeper than Fenimore Cooper, was reading in childhood good , especially since he lived in the places that he described ...
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  2. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 22 July 2016 13: 24
    +14
    I would not refuse to take this course!
    1. gray smeet
      gray smeet 22 July 2016 13: 29
      +26
      Interestingly, in winter there will be the same courses in the same area?
      1. gg.na
        gg.na 22 July 2016 15: 17
        +5
        Quote: gray smeet
        Interestingly, in winter there will be the same courses in the same area?

        In winter, they are even more necessary and necessary! If they can learn to survive in the winter taiga, then the summer taiga will be like an easy walk.
        1. Bort radist
          Bort radist 22 July 2016 15: 40
          +7
          Quote: gg.na
          If they can learn to survive in the winter taiga, then the summer taiga will be like an easy walk.

          The mood for survival is one, and the ways of life (I did not seal, the locals do not survive, but live) are completely different in winter and summer. In summer, under a good cedar, a house, but the vile bites, in winter there are no midges, but there are many problems, movement, a fire in deep snow, ........
  3. DmitryK
    DmitryK 22 July 2016 13: 29
    -7
    Out of respect, it was reported that exercises would be conducted on their traditional lands. Worthy. And they will figure it out with survival themselves.
    1. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 22 July 2016 13: 36
      +5
      Out of respect, it was reported that exercises would be conducted on their traditional lands. Worthy. And they will figure it out with survival themselves.


      One hundred years did not interest anyone, so immediately the teachings. Hardly. Just hired professional instructors for a hundred years of experience.
    2. You Vlad
      You Vlad 24 July 2016 18: 59
      0
      It was not ordinary soldiers who sent them there, but special forces for training and survival training! And local aborigines can teach this like no one else, because from generation to generation knowledge passes on survival in the taiga in any conditions! Due to life circumstances, they have to go to the taiga and for a month, for two or even three! Their life depends on this knowledge and everything is verified by a hundred years of experience!
  4. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 22 July 2016 13: 30
    +1
    The new director is represented by employees:
    - And this is our Hope. Nadya is an old believer!
    -?
    - Aging, but believing!
    (Just remembered a joke)
  5. nik-karata
    nik-karata 22 July 2016 13: 35
    +8
    survival course from old-timers (Old Believers), that's good. folk wisdom is always better than a charter. hi
  6. asadov
    asadov 22 July 2016 13: 35
    +1
    everything is correct, and it is necessary.
  7. Serg65
    Serg65 22 July 2016 13: 37
    +5
    Siberian Old Believers conduct a survival course for fighters of the mountain compound of the Central District

    Hmm, the Old Believers are not the same! Previously, they shied away from the aliens like the plague, and right now they even breed courses what
    1. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 22 July 2016 13: 44
      +6
      Previously, they shied away from newcomers like the plague


      Actually, even now you have to be careful. Add the virus to them "like two fingers on ... b". It is unlikely that they have immunities for many. (there was already a precedent, the family of the Old Believers died out of the flu. geologists "rewarded")
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 22 July 2016 14: 50
        +2
        Quote: Alex_Tug
        Previously, they shied away from newcomers like the plague


        Actually, even now you have to be careful. Add the virus to them "like two fingers on ... b". It is unlikely that they have immunities for many. (there was already a precedent, the family of the Old Believers died out of the flu. geologists "rewarded")

        Lykovs ...
    2. takeoff
      takeoff 22 July 2016 13: 44
      +2
      Those or not, but learned to survive. Since the time of Peter. Sin is not such an experience to use
    3. BARKAS
      BARKAS 22 July 2016 13: 45
      +6
      Quote: Serg65
      Hmm, the Old Believers are not the same! They used to shy away from newcomers like the plague,

      They didn’t shy away not when they were from newcomers, if they followed certain rules and etiquette!
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 22 July 2016 13: 59
        +5
        Quote: BARKAS
        They didn’t shy away not when they were from newcomers, if they followed certain rules and etiquette!

        Oh Michael, it’s not from the rules of etiquette that they secluded themselves in the Tuvan wilds! After the appearance of geologists during the night, they filmed leaving their villages.
        1. BARKAS
          BARKAS 22 July 2016 14: 56
          +8
          Quote: Serg65
          After the appearance of geologists during the night, they filmed leaving their villages.

          Tales are all, Lykovs, remember where they starred? Although I would really leave some geologists in their place. And since childhood I know of Old Believers, grew up in a Siberian village, there was a village just of Old Believers nearby. Of course, the people are not very hospitable, but they didn’t lose touch with the outside world, and if necessary they worked and hunted together with our men.
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 22 July 2016 15: 19
            +3
            Quote: BARKAS
            Tales are all, Lykovs, remember where they starred?

            yeah ... Agafya alone remained, where will she go? the rest died, became infected by visitors, but there is no immunity.
    4. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 22 July 2016 15: 23
      +1
      Quote: Serg65
      Siberian Old Believers conduct a survival course for fighters of the mountain compound of the Central District

      Hmm, the Old Believers are not the same! Previously, they shied away from the aliens like the plague, and right now they even breed courses what

      Yes, they never shied away, watched with caution, yes. They can hand on hand ... But, to shy away, they are rather avoiding them.
      1. Chisayna
        Chisayna 22 July 2016 16: 46
        0
        There is such a book: Do not get away from the world, read. This is just about those places, Sizim, Erzhey, Already. When the Bolsheviks came to the upper Yenisei, these Old Believers fled in crowds of families. And they also burned with their whole families.
    5. Nikolay82
      Nikolay82 22 July 2016 16: 07
      +4
      Quote: Serg65
      Siberian Old Believers conduct a survival course for fighters of the mountain compound of the Central District

      Hmm, the Old Believers are not the same! Previously, they shied away from the aliens like the plague, and right now they even breed courses what

      Kerzhaks didn’t shy away from anyone, but they themselves could be stunned by anyone they want. They looked at new people. Observed their orders and customs. Here is someone to take an example from, they have preserved our Russian roots. Not all of them were hermits.
      1. dauria
        dauria 22 July 2016 17: 38
        +1
        Observed their orders and customs. Here is someone to take an example from, they have preserved our Russian roots.

        Yes, beyond the Volga in Nizhny Novgorod there are more of their villages (Old Believers) than "new" ones. Or alternately. Semyonovsky, Koverninsky districts and further to the north-east. Ordinary people, the same schools, collective farms, the village council and the Komsomol (there was, of course smile ) .. Where are the fairy tales about "hermits". There are differences in customs, but not knowing and will not notice.
        1. Nikolay82
          Nikolay82 22 July 2016 19: 31
          +2
          I wrote about Siberian, Kemerovo region Mountain Shoria. We had several families living on the street. The children were kept in strictness, not cursed. Working, good houses and households in order. Helped each other. We have all called Kerzhaks.
          When moving to the Baltic States (1973), I see that there are not many such "ordinary people" here.
          1. saygon66
            saygon66 24 July 2016 13: 12
            +1
            - In! We, near Prokopyevsk, exchanged honey for kerosene at the Old Believers!
            - Normal people - just be polite, but don’t go where you don’t invite ...
          2. olegyurjewitch
            olegyurjewitch 24 July 2016 17: 51
            0
            Quote: Nikolay82
            We have all called Kerzhaks.

            Yes, not only in Siberia Kerzhaki, but in our Volga region there are not a few of them. People as people, well, have your own rules, do not pander into a strange monastery with your charter.
            All his life he lived with Kazakhs, Old Believers, he himself, was baptized in the Orthodox. So what? And the fact that the Old Believers decided to transfer their experience to the fighters, but this is good! Even wonderful!
    6. APASUS
      APASUS 22 July 2016 19: 47
      0
      Quote: Serg65
      Hmm, the Old Believers are not the same! Previously, they shied away from the aliens like the plague, and right now they even breed courses

      At all times, the Old Believers needed carbines for hunting, cartridges, candles, matches, salt, and they knew how to use money.
  8. engineering
    engineering 22 July 2016 13: 42
    +4
    This first group will go very well and God forbid not the last group, it was necessary to communicate earlier with the Old Believers who live in the upper reaches of the Chun River, Irkutsk Region, the village of Kondratyev, who is more than 300 years old, very good and clean people, not yet spoiled by civilization , wonderful taiga, fishermen and hunters.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 22 July 2016 14: 53
      +1
      Quote: engineering
      previously had to communicate with the Old Believers who live in the upper reaches of the Chuna River, Irkutsk Region, the village of Kondratyev, who is already over 300 years old, very good and clean people, not yet spoiled by the end of civilization, wonderful taiga, fishermen and hunters.

      they also acquire skills in practice, for 12-15 alloys, (they lost their account), having with them a minimum, they learned to cook, and even arranged a sauna ...
      1. engineering
        engineering 22 July 2016 16: 04
        +1
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        they also acquire skills in practice, for 12-15 alloys, (they lost their account), having with them a minimum, they learned to cook, and even arranged a sauna ...

        I'm glad to comment on you Andrei Yurievich, I haven’t talked with you for a whole year. I agree with you, in one season they will not become professionals, but having the skills of fighters, they will master a lot of what is necessary for survival, believe me as a person born and raised in a taiga village.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 22 July 2016 17: 12
          +1
          Quote: engineering
          I'm glad to comment on you Andrei Yurievich, I haven’t talked with you for a year.

          Hi, pensioner! Where did you go? I have retired during this time! hi
  9. Psychologist
    Psychologist 22 July 2016 14: 17
    .
    What can this starover teach? To be baptized with two fingers and beat the forehead on the floor?
    You forget that a soldier must not only survive, but also perform a combat mission. Any fishing hunter, in this, will give 100 handicap points to any Old Believer!
    And where are all our institutes that were engaged in similar training of special forces / cosmonauts, etc. in the USSR? and the development of survival techniques ?! They fucked everything up, and now we are inventing "folk wisdom".
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 22 July 2016 14: 54
      +4
      Quote: Psychologist
      You forget that a soldier must not only survive, but also perform a combat mission. Any fishing hunter, in this, will give 100 handicap points to any Old Believer!

      fool don’t you find that this is one and the same thing? although no ... people are different ... old believers, they are with nature on you ...
    2. engineering
      engineering 22 July 2016 16: 35
      +4
      Quote: Psychologist
      What can this starover teach? To be baptized with two fingers and beat the forehead on the floor?
      You forget that a soldier must not only survive, but also perform a combat mission. Any fishing hunter, in this, will give 100 handicap points to any Old Believer!
      And where are all our institutes that were engaged in similar training of special forces / cosmonauts, etc. in the USSR? and the development of survival techniques ?! They fucked everything up, and now we are inventing "folk wisdom".

      Why are you doing this? We didn’t have time to go to the VO site, We already managed to offend the faith, which you don’t know at all, After all, it was mainly the Second World War that were the most unsurpassed snipers and scouts, although faith forbade them to serve for the good of the state, but the young guys just fled from the Old Believer taiga villages and went to fight. And a lot of where they were saved the life, there is not a bullet, namely how to survive in extreme situations.
      1. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 22 July 2016 17: 57
        0
        "Psychologist"
        Fool, cardboard! You, not got there ... hi "Corr." and "Censor", immediately to the left, behind the toilet ... There the audience is "serious": the fall of eight idiots in the sea is discussed for the second day .... They say that ukrospetsnaz almost captured Odessa ... belay Well, the steamer sailed, picked up, miserable ... good
    3. Spike
      Spike 22 July 2016 19: 43
      0
      The fishermen now have other concerns. They are now preparing for the winter, for the fishery, and now they have suffering. There is not a minute free.
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 22 July 2016 19: 56
        0
        Quote: Crutch
        The fishermen now have other concerns. They are now preparing for the winter, for the fishery, and now they have suffering. There is not a minute free.

        They are always without holidays. The military will find something to help, abandon products, ammunition, ..... Share experience always in high esteem, than to dig roots.
  10. ksv36
    ksv36 22 July 2016 14: 30
    +1
    Quote: nik-karata
    survival course from old-timers (Old Believers), that's good. folk wisdom is always better than a charter. hi


    Wisdom and charter are two different things, if that. And the skills of local Aborigines will not hurt, that's for sure.
  11. ksv36
    ksv36 22 July 2016 14: 42
    +2
    Quote: ksv36
    What can this starover teach?


    To that which he can. And you must be able to be baptized correctly too.
  12. kizhe
    kizhe 22 July 2016 14: 45
    +2
    Well done boys. Practice may come in handy. Mountain taiga is not only in Russia.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 22 July 2016 14: 55
      +1
      The Caucasus, has benefited, it pleases. Stop repeating mistakes twice. In WWII, it cost a lot too.
    2. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 22 July 2016 14: 57
      +3
      Quote: kizhe
      Mountain taiga is not only in Russia.

      Are you slyly hinting at Canada with the Scandinavian countries?
      1. kizhe
        kizhe 22 July 2016 17: 10
        +1
        It's too close. Look at the root.
  13. Psychologist
    Psychologist 22 July 2016 14: 48
    .
    A soldier should be able not to be baptized, but be able to think and be able to fight!

    What is it that an old believer can do that a hunter-trapper or a survival specialist cannot do? Do not blow out what has long been invented. Especially at a higher level.

    Pure PR campaign, only it is unclear for whom it was calculated. Another nonsense from the category of ostentatious smashing of airborne vehicles with bottles on the frontal bone.
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 22 July 2016 14: 53
      +1
      Wars are won not by generals, but by teachers and priests (Bismarck seems to have said)
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 22 July 2016 15: 01
      +4
      Quote: Psychologist
      What is it that an old believer can do that a hunter-trapper or a survival specialist cannot do? Do not blow out what has long been invented. Especially at a higher level.

      for example, an old believer, knows WHAT you can eat and what you can’t. (roots, herbs, berries, mushrooms), fishing
      Ovik, half of this, nafig is not necessary, he carries salt with him, and crackers. and the current ones are "BEACH" -packages) 35-40 years ago, a friend who served super. in KhNAO, at the "point" he told how he exchanged "dry" potatoes, for poultry and fish from fishermen. so, you, "Psychologist"not in the subject.
      1. Psychologist
        Psychologist 22 July 2016 16: 42
        -5
        Those. no one except these Old Believers knows what is possible and what is not? Do not tell my slippers.
        Everything that could be thought of on the topic of survival was collected, cataloged, translated into manuals back in the USSR. And the fact that all this pissed away is the realities of our time. And there is no need to invent something about "folk wisdom". Among the people, the main medicine has always been considered "to be ill", and not to be treated. And this is exactly what these Old Believers will "teach". When in the West military medicine is being developed with might and main at the most modern level, our soldiers will be taught to heal with roots and plantain. After all, it is much cheaper and Orthodox.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 22 July 2016 17: 17
          0
          Quote: Psychologist
          When military medicine is being developed in the West at the most modern level, I will teach our soldiers to be treated with roots and plantain.

          uuuu ... it's clear with you. "foreign countries will help us ... for now ..." non-comrades "...
      2. Psychologist
        Psychologist 22 July 2016 16: 42
        -6
        Those. no one except these Old Believers knows what is possible and what is not? Do not tell my slippers.
        Everything that could be thought of on the topic of survival was collected, cataloged, translated into manuals back in the USSR. And the fact that all this pissed away is the realities of our time. And there is no need to invent something about "folk wisdom". Among the people, the main medicine has always been considered "to be ill", and not to be treated. And this is exactly what these Old Believers will "teach". When in the West military medicine is being developed with might and main at the most modern level, our soldiers will be taught to heal with roots and plantain. After all, it is much cheaper and Orthodox.
      3. You Vlad
        You Vlad 24 July 2016 19: 17
        0
        Yes, and the fighter got sick tell me how to chew grass there a whole philosophy of harmonious life with nature!
    3. minus
      minus 22 July 2016 15: 10
      +2
      As a matter of fact, they are hunter hunters. The guys are harsh. Even at the time of the rampant chaos of the nationalists, they were afraid. They preferred not to get involved.
    4. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 22 July 2016 15: 31
      +4
      Oh you ... You Taiga, did not go (not a typo smile), oh, they didn’t go ... This is a whole lot of specific knowledge, and in each locality they also differ. No one will teach better than local.
    5. Nikolay82
      Nikolay82 22 July 2016 17: 05
      +4
      What is it that an old believer can do that a hunter-trapper or a survival specialist cannot do?

      Pure water PR promotion

      You can go to the taiga for a week alone in the winter -30 -40 frost, while not only surviving, but also hunting? Did you communicate with the Old Believers yourself?
      With the guys from Siberia with whom I spoke, who grew up in the families of Old Believers, I would at least go where. They have a spirit and they are brought up strictly, but among hunters there is enough rabble.
      1. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 22 July 2016 18: 21
        +2
        "When military medicine is being developed in the west"
        Western doctors know what kind of moss (22 species) to apply to a venous wound ?! Well, not always the field first-aid kit will be in the combat equipment of the "polar ranger" ?! Well, or, how can you quickly dry your shoes with feminine sanitary pads, dry hay, chaga and pine nut husks (not to be confused with Her Royal Majesty's army diapers) ?! How, in the conditions of northern Russian rivers, to catch grayling, on a "mudyanka" ?! Let them develop military-tropical medicine, in the North, they don't ... KUI smile
  14. uskrabut
    uskrabut 22 July 2016 14: 52
    +1
    Class! Lucky peasants! Well, it's almost like Ivan Susanin courses! Traditions are alive! As before, the people and the army are one.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 22 July 2016 20: 00
      +2
      Quote: uskrabut
      Class! Lucky peasants! Well, it's almost like Ivan Susanin courses!


      God forbid !!! Do you think that no one will ever see this group? ... laughing

      And here is what "Class!" and "the people and the army are one" - I fully support ... hi
  15. Kamarada
    Kamarada 22 July 2016 14: 54
    +6
    In principle, the Old Believers are our sources. Those people who did not cross and do not repaint. Not very trusting authorities but loving their land for real. They should learn a lot from them, especially spirituality. This is not an urgent call for everyone to become Old Believers. . .
  16. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 22 July 2016 15: 18
    +2
    Old Believers live closed! Tales of the media! We live on Vasyugan, and they didn’t want to politely ask us to leave. Strange people. But local hunters can! This is southern Siberia, the birthplace of Shoigu hi
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 22 July 2016 15: 47
      +2
      Quote: Siberia 9444
      Old Believers live closed! Tales of the media! We live on Vasyugan, and they didn’t want to politely ask us to leave. Strange people. But local hunters can! This is southern Siberia, the birthplace of Shoigu

      I wanted to add the same thing, reporters added for the word red. He is a different starover, a beekeeper, a gardener, lives in a hut, does not survive in the taiga. A hunter is a hereditary hunter who needs it, but an old believer, a peasant, a Buddhist, ......, taiga mother makes everyone equal.
  17. AB0877
    AB0877 22 July 2016 15: 19
    .
    Achinea is complete! Soon we will turn to priests, shamans, imams, lamas, etc. "gurus" for "experience"? And the book by S. Balenko "The Survival Manual of the GRU Special Forces. The Experience of Elite Units" (can be found in free sale) is not destiny to study and put into practice? A mountain training course for special to pass the landfill? All this is sad, society is in crisis - instead of using the accumulated (and described in books) experience, we begin to look for "origins" do not understand what. So it was before 1917 (table-turning and summoning spirits, devilry in the style of Rasputin ...) and in the late 80s (Chumak, Globa, Juna, Vanga, Kashpirovsky, etc.).
    1. Psychologist
      Psychologist 22 July 2016 16: 36
      -8
      I support. But here, like us, sane, it seems they do not like.
    2. Psychologist
      Psychologist 22 July 2016 16: 36
      -5
      I support. But here, like us, sane, it seems they do not like.
      1. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 22 July 2016 19: 10
        0
        Hello! The gang is sane ... Have you, what, the orderlies went to smoke ?! Run to the "saucepans", they are irradiated there with a laser! belay Hi-tech, after all!
    3. dvina71
      dvina71 22 July 2016 22: 14
      +1
      Quote: AB0877
      And the book by S. Balenko "The GRU Special Forces Survival Textbook.


      You see what’s the matter ..
      Even if you get it over
      http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0048/1572/files/Rukovodstvo_po_ruchnoi_dugovoi_
      svarke_dlya_nachinauschih_www.tiberis.ru.pdf
      Or watch it

      I (private trader) will not take you to work in this specialty, and you will get to the NSR only after 1 km of horizontal seam.
      Do you understand what I mean?
      Have you ever been in the forest .. for three or four days? Do you know by what signs to identify a close spring? Or where do the very roots you have learned grow? Or do you think it’s stepped into the forest and that’s all ... signs everywhere ... mushrooms there, water there .. and there you can catch fish ..?
  18. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 22 July 2016 15: 23
    +3
    But NATO found out about it in VO !!! There is a lot of sand and water on the planet, but taiga, tundra, swift and wolves, bears ... We beg you, feed us (if you don’t die)!
  19. eaz
    eaz 22 July 2016 16: 09
    +3
    I am an old believer !!!! my grandfather a tankman returned from war without legs !!! look at the icons .. who is there with a pinch ... is ????
  20. eaz
    eaz 22 July 2016 16: 10
    0
    Chechnya 96 to withdraw from the first
  21. Psychologist
    Psychologist 22 July 2016 16: 45
    -8
    Everything that could be thought of on the topic of survival was collected, cataloged, translated into manuals back in the USSR. And the fact that all this was pissed away is the reality of our time. And there is no need to come up with "folk wisdom". Among the people, the main medicine has always been considered "to be ill", and not to be treated. And this is exactly what these Old Believers will "teach". When in the West military medicine is being developed with might and main at the most modern level, our soldiers will be taught to heal with roots and plantain. After all, it is much cheaper and Orthodox.
  22. Chisayna
    Chisayna 22 July 2016 17: 07
    +1
    Not those old believers now. Maybe until 1917, they were old believers. But the Soviet government pressed them to the nail. I was in those parts. Before 90, there were no roads to Sizim, in the summer Zarya along the Yenisei from the Saryg-Sep district center to Erzhey winter winters. Now there are tourist tours, from Kyzyl to Sizim, Erzhey, in boats or helicopters. And there bearded men or women in sarafans will sing old songs to tourists, put in a black bath, drink mead and for this 30-40 thousand rubles .nose. Capitalism does not spare anyone. And Old Believers too. The devil turned out to be stronger. Everyone needs money and Old Believers are no exception. And in the 70s, these Old Believers refused everything and pensions from the state. They took only tea, salt, flour cartridges, and of fabric.
    1. Psychologist
      Psychologist 22 July 2016 17: 18
      -5
      Exactly. And they will teach "contactless hand-to-hand combat" laughing
      Sadly that's all.
    2. Psychologist
      Psychologist 22 July 2016 17: 18
      -5
      Exactly. And they will teach "contactless hand-to-hand combat" laughing
      Sadly that's all.
  23. antivirus
    antivirus 22 July 2016 17: 40
    +1
    HIGHLIGHTS: Does the Top Yenisei look like Dakota and Yukon, and Oregon, and Washington, and what else does anyone need ..?
  24. Psychologist
    Psychologist 22 July 2016 18: 15
    -4
    No, it doesn't. There is a fairly strong difference both in the climate and in the plants growing there and the living creatures of the four-legged. So all the "experience" of the Old Believers will not be useful there.
    1. Chisayna
      Chisayna 22 July 2016 18: 21
      0
      What experience do these Old Believers have? Khanty, Evenki, Chukchi have experience. Winter in the taiga in the plague, and not in a wooden hut, without a chainsaw, without anything. Anyone who has experience of survival in the taiga, then this is with the indigenous peoples of Siberia. Try to find the Evenk or Hunt in the taiga.
  25. cedar
    cedar 22 July 2016 20: 16
    +1
    Quote: Chisain
    What experience do these Old Believers have? Khanty, Evenki, Chukchi have experience. Winter in the taiga in the plague, and not in a wooden hut, without a chainsaw, without anything. Anyone who has experience of survival in the taiga, then this is with the indigenous peoples of Siberia. Try to find the Evenk or Hunt in the taiga.


    They have a spiritual experience. We have 70% of the population living in cities, we do not get along with nature any more. We play wild in the stone jungle ... Of course, the indigenous peoples of Siberia, with their invaluable experience of survival in nature, are a treasure trove, which is a sin not to study and use. But the Old Believers, in addition to knowledge of nature, physics in Greek, have an experienced knowledge of metaphysics, which atheists do not have, even if such professors, members of the correspondent and academicians. If we simplify the situation with us for clarity to the point of disgrace, then we look at life with one physical eye, hear it with one ear and analyze it with one hemisphere. And the Old Believers, or rather the Russian people of the old paternal faith, also see the metaphysics of life, i.e. they have the second eye, ear, hemisphere turned on. The completeness of the picture is not much richer than ours, although we are stuffed with "knowledge" to the eyeballs. Of course, not all Old Believers today are like that, but one must assume that the fathers will not send fighters to just about anyone, as they will not send anybody, either. So there is a chance for the soldiers to learn to see what they have not seen, to hear what they have not heard and to understand and feel that ... I think that such soldiers of our Army are very needed. The gates of hell began to open more and more with a gnash of teeth, and if you noticed various infernal wickedness climbed into our life. With her, you need to be able to fight and win, so as not to become brutal, not to become an appendage of a computer, but to remain human, launching to the fullest the unique opportunities inherent in us by the Creator, while retaining the image and likeness of God, as the majority of Russians preserved it Old Believers.
    1. Lyubteh
      Lyubteh 23 July 2016 08: 44
      0
      Good health Cedar. He himself had to intersect with the Old Believers, and after all they didn’t push them away, but discovered exactly the same metaphysics. Now I’m looking for what I can find myself, but I’m trying how to convey it to Mikhal Nikolaevich Zadornov. Yes, and absolutely everything is impossible, and they don’t understand, many are sleeping.
  26. Chisayna
    Chisayna 22 July 2016 20: 25
    0
    You say this to someone else. Unlike you, I’m now in this same Tuva for the second month. And I know these old believers firsthand.
  27. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 22 July 2016 21: 35
    +2
    Quote: jjj
    And how "Old Belief" can affect the level of training of our military. You can't look at monitors, communications are also intrigues of evil spirits. Killing is generally a sin. There is something wrong with the message


    We read "Sniper's Pipe", Okhlopkov's biography, etc. And we wonder how it is:
    "savages" (sarcasm), illiterate Siberian hunters, became the most effective snipers of the Second World War? This despite the fact that their full effectiveness has not been proven ("The Sniper's Pipe" is an almost documentary tale, one of the chapters: Nomokonov recalls a battle in which he spent whole ammunition (taking into account statistics: one shot - one corpse, who will tell the ammunition of the (standard) fighter for battle?) and put only 6 points).
    Ps and you can continue to laugh at the "savages", ignoramuses and "suckers" who cannot distinguish "apple-5" from "apple-6", but when the good old 7.62 from 600-800 meters comes to your head, it is unlikely that your knowledge of the technical characteristics of fashionable smartphones or 2-3 "higher" educations will gather in a heap the brains scattered in the snow.
  28. Chisayna
    Chisayna 22 July 2016 22: 55
    0
    Earlier in Soviet times, it was the responsibility zone of the Berdsk brigade of the GRU special forces. Altai-Sayan direction. In Soviet times, commandos from Berdsk were unlikely to seek the help of the Old Believers from Sizim, Alzhep and Erzhey.
  29. Old26
    Old26 23 July 2016 18: 20
    0
    Quote: jjj
    And how "Old Belief" can affect the level of training of our military. You can't look at monitors, communications are also intrigues of evil spirits. Killing is generally a sin. There is something wrong with the message

    It's like that. Always the locals knew much more than any special. Someone had a clever idea. Still, to conduct such courses here not only among the same Old Believers, but also among the inhabitants of the tundra and mountains. Rotate. After all, it is completely unknown where the military fate will throw you. And each region is its own experience. The locals have their own knowledge

    Quote: AB0877
    Achinea is complete! Soon we will turn to priests, shamans, imams, lamas, etc. "gurus" for "experience"? And the book by S. Balenko "The Survival Manual of the GRU Special Forces. The Experience of Elite Units" (can be found in free sale) is not destiny to study and put into practice? A mountain training course for special to pass the landfill? All this is sad, society is in crisis - instead of using the accumulated (and described in books) experience, we begin to look for "origins" do not understand what. So it was before 1917 (table-turning and summoning spirits, devilry in the style of Rasputin ...) and in the late 80s (Chumak, Globa, Juna, Vanga, Kashpirovsky, etc.).

    You know, I rarely put people minus for their posts, but I bet you. For they wrote nonsense. The textbook is certainly good, but it is practice that allows you to put this knowledge into practice. You can perfectly know how to make a prison, but if you don’t know how this or that fish behaves in certain rivers, it’s worthless to all your theoretical knowledge, you will poke the prison until you turn blue.
    Or you were in a car in the steppe zone, how to maintain a bonfire for several hours. And then sometimes attached to the Old Believers. Or to someone else. This is not about their religious views. The thing is that these people LIVE there and know and can dozens of times more than in any book on the survival of special forces.
  30. ikrut
    ikrut 23 July 2016 23: 15
    +2
    In 2005, I had to go through a serious water route in those places. And I have also been to Uzep. And I had to communicate with the Old Believers. And with the "civilized", who live in Already, and with those who live apart in the taiga on the banks of the Kyzyl-Khem and Kaa-Khem, and even with a hermit nun. It was a difficult year then. On one of the rapids ("Turtle") my old friend died. There we buried him in a rocky grotto on the banks of the Yenisei. But this is not about that. Old Believers live by hunting and fishing. The “civilized” ones from Uzep are unlikely to seriously teach the military something. Perhaps some of the "wisdom" of living and surviving in the taiga. And even then - not very many. They are already very "civilized" there. All have motorboats, motorcycles, snowmobiles. Although there are still horses. Those who live as hermits are more adapted. But now in the taiga they already have gas generators, washing machines, etc. In winter, they bring food to the farm on winter roads. And the monks-hermits, living separately in some places along the banks of the Kyzyl-Khem, have relatives in Zalip, which supplies them with food. The monks, of course, have a serious "extreme" in life (judging by their stories), but this is not what the military should be taught.
    It seems to me that experienced water-boat tourists, pedestrians and skiers, who are not few in number, could more seriously and thoroughly teach military guys the rules of survival in the taiga, on the water of mountain rivers, etc. This is purely IMHO and from my own experience. I only have in those places about which the article refers to eight water routes of the highest category of complexity. Apart from a bunch of experience in the Russian North, the Urals, the Caucasus, and so on. Hundreds of kilometers through the mountains, taiga, swamps, dozens of the most difficult mountain rivers. Somehow I thought for a laugh - about 3 years of life in the deep taiga, consider spent :) But I know guys, tourists, compared with which I am a green kid :)))
    The military does not need the exotic and subtleties of hunting or fishing (although these are also not big secrets). they need the ability to navigate in the taiga or mountains, warm up in any cold, rain or snow without huts, the ability to "read" the water in order to quickly and safely float across any threshold even with improvised means, knowledge of what can be eaten from "pasture" food , and what is impossible (the same Old Believers sometimes do not even know what kind of mushrooms they collect), how where and the easier it is to catch fish, how to arrange an overnight stay in a forest or in a swamp so that mosquitoes and midges do not annoy, etc. Moreover, all this must be done not just for the sake of "survival" or fishing, but in order to complete a combat mission (for example, deliver cargo, provide assistance, secretly go to the right place on time). Hunters from Uzep are unlikely to teach them all this. As guides to familiar places, they, of course, are quite suitable, but something else is unlikely. IMHO.
  31. yawa63
    yawa63 24 July 2016 09: 14
    +1
    Quote: Alex_Tug
    Out of respect, it was reported that exercises would be conducted on their traditional lands. Worthy. And they will figure it out with survival themselves.


    One hundred years did not interest anyone, so immediately the teachings. Hardly. Just hired professional instructors for a hundred years of experience.



    In my group, when I was serving, there was one such one - not an old believer, but the son of a hunter who lived in the taiga without any relief - we (and I among them) learned a lot from him in terms of survival and actions in the forest - so all this is very OK
  32. realist
    realist 24 July 2016 12: 09
    +1
    need to learn. if there is an opportunity to agree, only forward, a lot of knowledge is forgotten. but at least something needs to be saved and transferred
  33. Old warrior
    Old warrior 24 July 2016 15: 43
    0
    We all have one Big Family.
  34. orlan912
    orlan912 24 July 2016 15: 47
    0
    I think that such work will only benefit our military. The Old Believers are also our Russian people, and I would not speak badly of them. They also feel the danger.
  35. Zlovred
    Zlovred 24 July 2016 15: 59
    0
    The people and the Army are one! That's exactly what you need! Well done !!!
  36. cedar
    cedar 24 July 2016 16: 07
    0
    Quote: Lyubteh
    Good health Cedar. He himself had to intersect with the Old Believers, and after all they didn’t push them away, but discovered exactly the same metaphysics. Now I’m looking for what I can find myself, but I’m trying how to convey it to Mikhal Nikolaevich Zadornov. Yes, and absolutely everything is impossible, and they don’t understand, many are sleeping.


    This is not a simple dream, dear Lyubteh. This is a dream of reason that gives rise to monsters ... It was from his suffocating embrace that the Old Believers departed, thereby saving not only themselves, but also the gene pool, and above all, the Soul of the Russian nation, until better times.
    Zadornov is certainly not a scientist, he is a popular linguist. He is trying to the best of his ability to wake our mind and thanks for that.
    God bless you from all troubles and misfortunes.
  37. tanzor69
    tanzor69 24 July 2016 17: 56
    0
    excellent, there would be more such groups
  38. Hiw
    Hiw 24 July 2016 20: 50
    0
    I live in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, in the taiga, the village of Goulevka, we have Old Believers, but not all Old Believers are constant walkers in the taiga, for the sake of emphasizing that the Old Believers are instructors, I don’t understand at all, we have professional hunters who are at least half a year taiga industry a hundred points ahead of the Old Believers will give. It is necessary in these matters not to bet on the Old Believers but on simple Aborigines, although I do not argue, these Aborigines can also be Old Believers.

    In general, a couple of trips to the taiga is nothing, here you should at least go for a year, he himself was more than once in the taiga, it’s difficult without a habit, and the habit is quick and not fast
  39. vglazunov
    vglazunov 25 July 2016 09: 21
    0
    Yamal burns, everyone extinguish fires, these are tests by fire and smoke.