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I am a juvenile child

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I am a juvenile child


Passions about the adoption of juvenile laws in the Russian Federation could not leave me indifferent, since the juvenile system played a significant role in my childhood and adolescence. I will disappoint many: you will not hear from me about the "horrors of juvenile fascism", I will just tell my personal history.

I was born in an ordinary “Soviet” family, my father was an engineer, my mother was a technologist at the plant, non-drinkers, intelligent, and generally a normal family. In the early years, I was a calm, obedient child, but by the time of 7 I began to form a character, and not an easy one. I became more self-willed, restless, began to acquire a personal point of view on any occasion.

Well, as usual in such cases, my father, in the best traditions of Soviet education, began to “heal” such excesses of disobedience with a belt. But something went wrong: instead of the desired results, such a “therapy” caused opposite results.

As a child, I did not understand the whole essence of my misdeeds, and each “belt explanation” caused far from childish indignation in me, and the explanation of “what for” after such a punishment was simply ignored by the consciousness fixated on pain and resentment.

Over time, it only got worse, my studies went downhill, my behavior was aggravated, and as a result, the punishment became more frequent. On the street and at school, I began to often get into fights, even knowing that I would get it, would start with a half turn for the slightest offense. In other words, I became a juvenile sociopath with whom even the yard dweller did not want to hang out.

When I turned 10 years old, my parents began to seriously worry about my future and look for ways to solve the problems of my upbringing, however, continuing to firmly believe in the power of the “life-giving belt.”

Mom offered to radically change my environment. Under this thought, my father found a "Jewish grandmother", and we ... moved to Israel.

Of course, the move did not change anything. The environment really changed, but the “principles of upbringing” in the family remained the same. At that time, of course, none of us knew about the Israeli juvenile laws.

Everything changed by chance, when I was already 11 years old. After the next portion of the “belt therapy”, I got into a fuss: something overwhelmed my patience. I defiantly ran away from home.

Of course, my parents filed a statement about my flight to the police that evening, and the patrolmen quickly caught me. This is where our acquaintance with the "juvenile world" began. The police transferred the case to the social service, where we were summoned by order the next morning.

The social worker, after listening to us, told my parents about the prohibition of “physical punishment” and issued an order to visit the family psychologist (from the social service) once a week. My father was indignant for a long time, of course, about “interfering with family affairs” and “removing litter from the hut”, but, as a truly law-abiding person of Soviet education, he fulfilled all the requirements strictly.

In the first week, I reveled in the feeling of “freedom and impunity.” To put it mildly, I broke the chain. Having suffered a week of my antics, my parents, out of despair, turned to the same social worker, who brought me back to the “sinful land”. I was clearly explained what unpleasant consequences my behavior is fraught with.

And at the first meeting with a psychologist I, who decided to “score” on this case, were taken by the police on a court order.

Our family psychologist turned out to be a master of his craft. He did not even try to climb into all our squabbles, but literally in two years he taught us to LISTEN and, most importantly, to HEAR each other’s point of view and to conduct a DIALOGUE. My father sacrificed the conviction that I “have no right to my own opinion because of my age,” and realized that the phrase “because I said so” is not an explanation of my demands. He learned to explain in words how I should behave instead of trying to work out a conditioned reflex to punishment in me.

And I, in turn, got rid of the ingrained prejudice to the words of the parents and the habit of “turning on the horns” without hearing it.

Of course, we quarreled, cursed, like any parents and children, but we learned to negotiate and not to go beyond. And I finished school and university “perfectly well”.

Today I am an adult, I have my own "restless" children, but I am doing quite well, including thanks to the experience from my childhood. I scold, punish, but never allow myself to raise a hand on them, and I will not allow anyone (children's fights are not counted).

"Juvenalka with a human face." As a supplement, I want to talk about Israeli juvenile services.

Jews historically revered family and family traditions, so the juvenile laws were initially perceived by Israeli society in hostility. At first, not everything was smooth, there were excesses and abuses, but in a few years an optimal system was developed:

1. Tight control over social welfare services by the executive and the judiciary.

2. The absolute absence of orphanages, which makes it impossible to turn the system of weaning children into "business".

3. The right of a family falling into the field of vision of social services is to demand a change in the social worker who oversees their case, while feeling prejudiced.

4. The legislative order to social services to make every effort to preserve the integrity of the family and a wide range of instruments of assistance, including financial "for the needs of the child" for poor families. And also the duty to take into account the opinion of the child.

5. Judicial practice of non-deprivation of parental rights, except in cases of causing serious harm to the child. Even in the case of alcoholics and drug addicts, deprivation is temporary, until rehabilitation.

I agree that today juvenile laws in Russia will do more harm than good, but I want to focus on the fact that the main problem is not in the juvenile system itself, but in the conditions of its place of application.

P.S. Those who are going to write comments in the style of “they thrashed me with a belt, but I grew up a man,” I will ask a simple question: why then any official / boss, clothed with a drop of power, almost with impunity, goes as he pleases to people like you?

And I will answer myself: in your subconscious mind, he is “a father with a belt,” which you cannot bring yourself to cross. Reflex!
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  1. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 23 July 2016 05: 57
    +5
    About Russia, any juvenile horn breaks off and creeps away am Just for example from a personal repeat The young generation lives in a neighboring apartment on the same site as my wife and I are almost six for Vnuku - a scumbag in my grandfather laughing He understands the words just to make sense of them request Let's introduce a juvenile fool Parents will not punish No. With the belt comes grandfather !! am The ultimate truth yes Well? what Hello juvenile tongue
    1. Riv
      Riv 23 July 2016 06: 17
      +8
      Up to two years, by law. Hello grandfather. At his age, the zone will be difficult.
      1. Temples
        Temples 23 July 2016 07: 17
        +82
        I was born in the usual "Soviet"Family, father - engineer, mother - technologist at the plant, non-drinkers, intelligent, generally a normal family.

        my father, in the best traditions Soviet upbringing, began to "treat" such excesses of disobedience the belt.

        I here marked with color the assumptions of the author-poor fellow-exhausted.
        The Soviet intelligent family, of course, belts their children with a belt.
        The Soviet intelligent parent cannot do otherwise. He is an intellectual!
        What crap flows from the lips of an intelligent author !!!

        When I was 10 years old, my parents began to seriously worry about my future.

        Apparently for the Soviet future, where the author’s intelligent dad will end up scribbling to death and there will be no one to describe this simple nightmare to Jewish children. laughing
        Mom offered to radically change my environment. Under this thought, my father found a "Jewish grandmother", and we ... moved to Israel.

        And mom is probably a Don Cossack! And all her life in this regard she dreamed of Israel.
        Has the author ever thought that his closest circle with him rushed to the homeland of an intellectual who mercilessly paved his belt?
        Jews have historically honored family and family traditions

        Not like the "Soviet" family, where, as we remember the author, they intelligently used a belt.

        Long live ISRAEL !!! wassat
        Cradle of civilization!!! wassat
        Hurray to the author and his intelligent dad and mother who saved the baby from Russian barbarism !!! wassat
        Intelligent mind helped hidden Jews gain freedom !!! wassat
        Down with the Soviet past !!! wassat

        fool
        1. Gilev georgy
          Gilev georgy 23 July 2016 09: 01
          +9
          Yes, propaganda is poorly covered. Although there is no big sense in it.
          People are indignant, but still inactive.
          We have a custom like this. Until the thunder strikes.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 23 July 2016 10: 48
            +44
            Unfortunately, this psychological article by an author from Israel cannot be the basis for political approval of the introduction of juvenile legislation, as such, in the Russian Federation.

            Juvenile justice has its own destructive features for a natural - not artificial - family. This is expressed in the creation of a new cynical type of business in the West - namely, the creation of PARTNER families and an expensive parasitic state welfare system for the distribution of children into foster families, which parasitically sucks government funds from the budget (and children themselves), intended in a healthy society for social assistance for raising children in native families.
            The juvenile legislation of the West and the Russian Federation refers to the fact that in a foster care family of foreign parents, foster parents are paid SALARY and there is WORK EXPERIENCE for raising foster children and an auxiliary allowance for the children themselves. To some extent, this removes the severity of unemployment in the West. People are busy with business and with money. However, to such parents and relatives who have taken their children up, no such assistance is provided at all. Why so?
            The fact is that in the widespread homosexual families in the West there appeared a market pedaphil-homosexual civilizational demand for children, as such. Children have become GOODS in a homophile society in the West. Juvenile justice can pick up a child from a family of their own just because someone liked him. The reason for this may be the most far-fetched one - they simply “hunt” the children. And beating with a belt or innocent spanking on the ass by the parents is just the FIRST Machiavellian “Overton window” for introducing into the society a parasitic juvenile aimed at the massive destruction of the natural unit of society as such - now in Russia.
            Thus, the beating of children for the colonial introduction of juvenile justice by the West in the Russian Federation is only one of the reasons for the removal of children from their own family and the response to overcoming the so-called "Dima Yakovlev's Law" on the non-transfer of Russian children for adoption in the United States. And so for beating children in the Russian Federation, and so there is sufficient administrative and criminally punishable relevant legislation!
            It is noteworthy that the adoption of juvenile justice in the Russian Federation rests on its LEGISLATIVE ADVANTAGES over national sovereign laws and traditions in Russia in accordance with the non-sovereign article 15, p. 4, of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, colonially written for Americans by Russia. And the colonial Constitution of the Russian Federation, written by the Americans, states:
            Article 15 paragraph 4. The universally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system. If the international treaty of the Russian Federation establishes other rules than those provided for by law, the rules of the international treaty are applied.

            Russia needs a national sovereign Constitution of the country.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 23 July 2016 10: 59
              +9
              As for the article 15 p. 4 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, we have the following.
              Our leaders, represented by Putin and Medvedev, do not rule the country, but implement the protocol agreements developed by the United States, the EU and the IMF, transition programs and the Transition to Market program. ... They also developed the Constitution of the Russian Federation and articles where Russia is obliged to fulfill the agreements imposed by the USA, EU and IMF. Nowhere in the world is there such a government as ours.
              ... within the framework of earlier agreements at the highest level of the heads of state and government of the "seven" on their assistance to the USSR in the "period of transition to the market", the government of Yeltsin-Gaidar entered the IMF in 1992, signed the Letter of Intent with the IMF, taking commitments to implement programs of the "transition period", laws, codes, constitution, developed only by IMF experts. The IMF, in turn, undertakes to ensure: their development and transfer to the government of the Russian Federation for the "transition to the market"; to provide loans for their development by IMF experts and practical implementation by Russian officials; to monitor their implementation. Thus, the responsibility for the formation of institutions of a “market economy” in Russia, for its results de jure passed to the IMF, representing the economic interests of the United States. From the official documents noted, it follows that external management has indeed been introduced in the Russian Federation.
              To betray this supposedly legal character, US experts in the new Constitution of the Russian Federation, introduced in the 1993 year, using this method, included the provision (Art. 15 n. 4): “If the international treaties of the Russian Federation establish other rules than those stipulated by law, then the rules of international of the contract. "
              From this provision of the Constitution of the Russian Federation it follows: - the Government of the Russian Federation, its deputies in the State Duma and their local bodies execute and will execute only the programs of the USA and the EU, since the IMF is now responsible for the state of the Russian economy in the framework of the "Letter of Intent". They will not execute proposals of citizens of the Russian Federation, political parties and public organizations, producers of the Russian Federation without the permission of the IMF, as this will be regarded as a violation of the International Treaty and sanctions will follow. And the sanctions are very serious.
              State Duma deputy Yevgeny Fedorov emphasizes: “the sphere of ideologies, the sphere of rules is not the sphere of Russian sovereignty ... there will be bombings for violations in these matters, the Hague Tribunal, up to and including special squads of killers. The struggle in this area will die on the part of America ”and numerous facts confirm this.

              See in detail "Russia under the external control of the USA" from 2013 g. -
              http://kprf-elgorsk.ru/stati_1_90/
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              2. Tatyana
                Tatyana 23 July 2016 11: 20
                +8
                The following articles are classified as anti-sovereign articles of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
                Article 15 paragraph 4. The universally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system. If the international treaty of the Russian Federation establishes other rules than those provided for by law, the rules of the international treaty are applied.
                Article 13, paragraph 2 No ideology can be established as a state or mandatory.
                This article establishes a ban on state ideology. At the same time, Article 13, paragraph 1 states: "In the Russian Federation, ideological diversity is recognized." This means that in Russia anyone can engage in ideology, including representatives of foreign states, except for the Russian state itself.
                Article 29, paragraph 5 Guaranteed freedom of the media. Censorship is prohibited.
                robs Russia of information security.
                Article 79
                The Russian Federation may participate in interstate associations and transfer to them part of their powers in accordance with international treaties, if this does not entail restrictions on the rights and freedoms of man and citizen and does not contradict the foundations of the constitutional system of the Russian Federation.
                In the 79 article, we see that the Russian Federation can transfer part of its powers (for example, police or military) to international bodies, and whether this is violated by anyone’s rights or not will be decided by international bodies (see art. 15 para. 4 - on the priority of international treaties over Russian laws).
                Article 75 paragraphs 1, 2
                1. The monetary unit in the Russian Federation is the ruble. Monetary issue is carried out exclusively by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. Introduction and issue of other money in the Russian Federation are not allowed.
                2. Protecting and ensuring the stability of the ruble is the main function of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which it exercises independently of other government bodies.

                Article 75 (paragraphs 1 and 2) states that “the monetary unit in the Russian Federation is the ruble”, and “monetary emission is carried out exclusively by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation”, “which it carries out independently of other public authorities”. It turns out that the Russian state cannot control the issue of money. This function was taken by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which operates independently of the state. Who does the central bank report to? As you know, Russia is a member of the International Monetary Fund, and therefore the IMF is the only structure whose instructions should be followed by the Central Bank. But more about this in the next article.
                Conclusion: In the Constitution of the Russian Federation, we see a number of articles that indicate the absence of ideological (Article 13, paragraph 2, Article 29, paragraph 5), legal (Article 15, paragraph 4, Article 79) and partially economic (Article 75, paragraphs 1 and 2) sovereignty. But all the above articles of the constitution of the Russian Federation are just a prelude to the analysis of the federal law "On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)", which significantly deprives Russia of economic sovereignty.
                See - http://dimchenir.livejournal.com/1772.html
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 23 July 2016 11: 50
                  +7
                  See the video “Juvenile Justice in Russia. Deputy Fedorov. " Posted on: 2 Feb 2015


                  See the video “For a Slap - to Prison”. Posted on: 5 Jul. 2016
                  President Putin signed a law criminalizing parents' responsibility for educating children.
                  1. Beard31
                    Beard31 25 July 2016 13: 27
                    +1
                    Whoever tries to approach the child and select him, under any pretext, I will kill. And in general, I do not care about the laws that these write, I did not choose them and did not allow them to interfere in the life of the family and raising a child. The power in Russia is anti-people is a fact.
                2. Inok10
                  Inok10 23 July 2016 12: 20
                  +2
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  Article 15, paragraph 4. Generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system. If other rules are established by an international treaty of the Russian Federation than those provided by law, the rules of the international treaty shall apply.

                  ... already answered this nonsense ... before international law takes effect it passes the verification of compliance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation and ratification ... that is, the provisions of the Constitution of the Russian Federation are primary! ...
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  Article 13, paragraph 2 No ideology may be established as state or mandatory.
                  This article establishes a ban on state ideology. At the same time, Article 13, paragraph 1 states: "In the Russian Federation, ideological diversity is recognized." This means that in Russia anyone can engage in ideology, including representatives of foreign states, except for the Russian state itself.

                  ... if there wasn’t this paragraph, then it would simply be possible to ban any party, in particular the Communist Party, for which you so zealously advocate, but do not argue illiterate ...
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  Article 29, paragraph 5 Freedom of the media is guaranteed. Censorship is prohibited.
                  robs Russia of information security.

                  ... if there wasn’t this point, then, dear Tatyana, after just two or three comments, you would cut down a forest where a thread was made in Solar Siberia or sew mittens at an enrichment plant in really Sunny Krasnokamensk, but very radioactive ... well, they didn’t VO showing its own nearness ...
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  Article 79
                  The Russian Federation may participate in interstate associations and transfer to them some of its powers in accordance with international treaties, if this does not entail restriction of human and citizen rights and freedoms and does not contradict the foundations of the constitutional system of the Russian Federation.
                  In the 79 article, we see that the Russian Federation can transfer part of its powers (for example, police or military) to international bodies, and whether this is violated by anyone’s rights or not will be decided by international bodies (see art. 15 para. 4 - on the priority of international treaties over Russian laws).

                  ... neither do international bodies decide ... such a selective understanding is characteristic only of the supporters of the Communist Party ... we read here, we don’t read here, and here we wrapped the fish ... it is clearly written ... the Russian Federation on the basis of the agreement, can pass part of the authority ... if this does not entail a restriction of the rights and freedoms of man and citizen and does not contradict the foundations of the constitutional system of the Russian Federation ... that is, you are frankly lied in the interpretation of the article of the constitution, turning everything upside down ...
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                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 23 July 2016 15: 12
                      +8
                      Inok10
                      ......

                      Alexey!
                      1. Before commenting, you would have opened links and looked at sources in my comments. Honestly, people there are no more stupid than you write! We are talking about internal logical consistency or, conversely, to identify the illogicality of various points of view. And the point here is not at all in some political parties, but in the scientifically untenable "noodles" that people hang on their ears. But you personally do not see this - everything is fine and good with you.
                      2. In addition, I DO NOT think, for example, that you are more competent than Katasonov himself or Gerashchenko.
                      3. It is not I who do not understand you, but you do not understand me and others. That you think sophistically - demagogically contrived to connect the incoherent, to dock the incoherent.
                      Inok10
                      ... already answered this nonsense ... before international law takes effect it passes the verification of compliance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation and ratification ... that is, the provisions of the Constitution of the Russian Federation are primary! ...
                      Well, I'm talking about the same thing! Moreover, I already asked you about this clarifying question in another article: how, in your opinion, does the Russian Constitution protect the true national sovereign interests of Russia from the hostile influence of the West in the field of modern Russian education, juvenile justice, multiculturalism, and foreign tolerance labor and “social” migration in the Russian Federation. You did not answer me - you went aside. Moreover, you simply began to threaten me ugly.
                      You, Aleksey, do not just move away from expanding your position on specific issues on the essence of this topic, but you are imposing us your abstract thinking, abstract from real problems. And truth is, by the way, in the synthesis of the concrete and the abstract. You think one-sidedly. And from you there is no way to achieve a methodologically competent and scientifically sound solution to the problem. Instead, you operate with “argumentative personality” insulting in polemics. Return to our previous polemic - you left a comment about it there.
                      4. But this, Aleksey, doesn’t climb into any gate at all!
                      Conclusion: ... everything above is written by the user Tatyana, contains fraud, lies and misrepresentation of the facts, for which this commentator can be prosecuted in accordance with the current legislation of the Russian Federation, and if just in everyday life ... this is scribbling = dreams of 60 for the summer old women about gang rape by handsome young athletic boys ... laughing
                      Ha! In what closed institution did you, Aleksey, have been brought up, or are you among you obsession with obscene "sexual preoccupation"?
                      Do not write nonsense!
                      1. Inok10
                        Inok10 23 July 2016 17: 23
                        +2
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Alexey!
                        1. Before commenting, you would have opened links and looked at sources in my comments.

                        ... this sophisticated nonsense is found in bundles on a variety of resources ... I see no reason to waste my time ... the funny thing is that I have not heard from you any specific objection to the interpretation of specific articles of the constitution, which I commented and cited a simple and the true concept of the essence of what is stated in them, applying to specific examples of freedom of ideology - specifically the Communist Party and the prohibition of censorship - the freedom of commenting on the resource, and not by you copied other people's Jesuit conjectures ... if you please, if you don’t have your thoughts, don’t give out strangers as your own, keep quiet, get down as smart ...
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        And the point here is not at all in some political parties, but in the scientifically untenable "noodles" that people hang on their ears.

                        ... that's exactly what you do - about scientific delirium and hanging noodles on the ears of VO readers ...
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        In addition, I DO NOT think, for example, that you are more competent than Katasonov himself or Gerashchenko.

                        ... the persons you have indicated are the same citizens of the Russian Federation as I am ... no more ... if they are slightly paranoid, then this does not concern me ... for me they are not authorities ... you became their fan, Your personal business ... It was explained to you that you were mistaken with them and mislead people, and if you think about it, you intentionally distribute false information, which is a criminal offense ... of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Chapter 19. CRIMES AGAINST CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS OF A PERSON AND CITIZEN ... Do you know such a chapter of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation? ... from 2 to 5 years in prison ... I recommend that you read ...
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        3. It is not I who do not understand you, but you do not understand me and others. That you think sophistically - demagogically contrived to connect the incoherent, to dock the incoherent.

                        ... Jurisprudence does not know any other interpretations than what is literally written in a specific article of any legislative act! ... that is, how it is written and read ... well, casuistry and sophistry is just your lot ... what is higher in the commentary to your "conclusions" and showed with specific examples ...
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Moreover, I already asked you about this clarifying question in another article: how, in your opinion, does the Constitution of the Russian Federation protect in more detail the true national sovereign interests of Russia? from the hostile influence of the West in the field of modern Russian education, juvenile justice, multiculturalism, tolerance to foreign labor and "social" migration in the Russian Federation.

                        ... I recall, an article on juvenile justice ... was written by an Israeli citizen ... and what did you immediately dump into a heap ?! ... I very rightly immediately identified you as a supporter of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, in an impudent manner, do not give a damn about the rules of the resource and the highlighted phrase in the quote ... write an article, we will discuss and express opinions ...
                      2. Inok10
                        Inok10 23 July 2016 17: 48
                        +2
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Moreover, you simply began to threaten me ugly.

                        ... when you registered on the Military Review resource, you accepted the rules of the resource ... judging by your enchanting mood, you didn’t even bother to read them ... No one threatened you ... You simply got the Rules item:
                        The site is strictly prohibited:
                        c) Flood, comments not related to the subject of the article
                        ... read the rules, respect the rest of the users of the resource and spare everyone from discussions about the Constitution in the discussion of the article on Doping ... for this a penalty is imposed from the moderator ...
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        You, Aleksey, do not just move away from expanding your position on specific issues on the merits of this topic, but you are imposing us your abstract thinking, abstract from real problems. And truth is, by the way, in the synthesis of the concrete and the abstract. You think one-sidedly. And from you there is no way to achieve a methodologically competent and scientifically sound solution to the problem. Instead, you operate with “argumentative personality” offensive in the polemic.

                        ... in it like the Guys ... they just dissected me, right up to craniotomy ... and it turns out ... no, my dear ... whoa, whoa ... Masha stand there! ... if you Dear Tatyana decided to comment on the articles of the Constitution in a "free sense", then I just brought you back from your fantasies to the real world and I will repeat it again ... Jurisprudence does not know any other interpretations than what is literally written in a specific article of any legislative act! ... from the point of view of the Lawyer and the Lawyer in the Constitution, the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation everything is harmonious and logical ... as it is written and read ... and everything is linked to each other ... that is, it is - true ... leave your fantasies to yourself ...
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Ha! In what closed institution did you, Aleksey, have been brought up, or are you among you obsession with obscene “sexual preoccupations”? Do not write nonsense!
                        ... You are forcing you to be diagnosed - "the Communist Party of the Russian Federation of the Brain" ... is no different from the "Maidan of the Brain" Okraintsev ... the same blindness, inability to think independently and worship of fetishes ... hatred and enmity, a paranoid search for an external enemy, which we regret to observe ... With respect to the Honest Community of HE ... well, personally with you Dear Tatyana, I have nothing to talk about ... you don’t have your own opinion, he is replaced by the opinion of Gerashchenko and Kasatonova ... laughing
                      3. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 23 July 2016 18: 55
                        +2
                        Inok10
                        Personally, Dear Tatiana, I have nothing to talk about ...

                        What a blessing, Aleksey! And I didn’t know how I myself for the same reason regarding you would culturally refuse you - what are you tired of me with your polemic twists about.
                        you don’t have your own opinion, it is replaced by the opinion of Gerashchenko and Kasatonov ...
                        Ha! Wow? Such an “omission” on my part! Do you want to say that I focus on your opinion? Will not work! Moreover, besides threats and indecent nonsense from you, I didn’t get anything intelligibly explanatory to my question from you!
                        All the best to you, Alex!
                      4. Inok10
                        Inok10 23 July 2016 23: 03
                        +2
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        What a blessing, Aleksey!

                        ... alas and ah, this is your misfortune ... on the basis of this:
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        You, Aleksey, do not just move away from expanding your position on specific issues on the merits of this topic, but you are imposing us your abstract thinking, abstract from real problems. And the truth is, by the way, in the synthesis of concrete and abstract.

                        ... Tolmach + Gridasov = Tatyana ... laughing
                        ... as far as possible, you have to plunge into your Obviousness ... because your "judgments" do not differ from the conclusions of WADA about Russian sports ... the reasoning is similar ... laughing
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Do you want to say that I focus on your opinion? Will not work!

                        ... for the most stubborn, I repeat, it’s not difficult for me ... Jurisprudence does not know any other interpretations than what is literally written in a specific article of any legislative act! ... fantasies of Gerashchenko, Kasatonov, Fedorov ... these are their own problems and paranoia ... your opinion from what you wrote above did not work out so, due to his absence ... it simply does not exist, thinking is also absent in the fact that you have written ... there is an "opinion" of Fedorov-Gerashchenko-Kasatonov, who are not the last resort on Truth ... they simply - no one and they call them no how ... laughing
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        from you, I didn’t get anything intelligible from my question from you!

                        ... was provided exhaustively, according to the Constitution, by the Central Bank ... right up to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, that is, how many years of imprisonment shine for you when continuing such public appearances ... laughing
                        P.S. ... You fully confirm the old Truth ... A bee is always looking for a flower, and the Fly is looking ... laughing
                      5. Corsair
                        Corsair 24 July 2016 01: 06
                        +2
                        Quote: Inok10
                        Jurisprudence does not know any other interpretations than what is literally written in a specific article of any legislative act! ..

                        laughing I’ll correct you a little, jurisprudence just knows a lot of different interpretations, which is not literally spelled out in the article of any legislative act, that is, it is written for example, you can’t stand here, so you can sit and so on ....
                      6. Bekas1967
                        Bekas1967 24 July 2016 12: 49
                        +1
                        Where do such geeks come from? Do you not have a mother ??? treat an adult woman like (((Zhirik’s handwriting is visible in everything. And there are many 3,14 doraces.
                    2. Monarchist
                      Monarchist 23 July 2016 20: 21
                      -3
                      Tatyana, like some of her comrades: Gleb, t atra and others, are longing for the "guiding and guiding" and willingly repeat all their compositions, but their head in the "storage room"?
                  2. Monarchist
                    Monarchist 23 July 2016 20: 15
                    +1
                    Did the communists stamp their laws in the first thoughts and didn't read the Constitution until 2013? When it was necessary to raise the rating, they "saw" an anti-sovereign Constitution. Well done populists!
                    1. You Vlad
                      You Vlad 24 July 2016 13: 04
                      +1
                      Somehow we forgot where perestroika began! And it began with betrayal! And who betrayed? Gorbachev? Not in a place with Gorbachev, dear almost the entire top elite of the Communists betrayed their people! And now they are sitting in the State Duma and are absorbing grants! But they don’t speak beautifully unlearned! They are traitors do not forget who they are!
              3. You Vlad
                You Vlad 23 July 2016 16: 33
                +1
                Thank you, Tatyana, but some people don’t understand what state system we live in! Fedorov has been enlightening for several years, but you have to look with your nose to poke people around! Everything is Putin, Putin, and Putin as a cat scientist Everything goes around in circles; It goes to the right - the song starts, to the Left - it tells a fairy tale! And everyone lays down on it with parting!
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 23 July 2016 17: 25
                  +2
                  You Vlad
                  some do not understand what state system we live in! Fedorov has been enlightening for several years
                  The trouble is that no matter what a patriotic party would come to power in Russia, nothing will change without changing the pro-Western liberal colonial, sovereign national Constitution of the Russian Federation, and it will only get worse. Already, Russians are going to orient themselves towards homosexuality. Already these efforts in the Russian media have begun.
                  1. bovig
                    bovig 23 July 2016 18: 54
                    +2
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    You Vlad
                    some do not understand what state system we live in! Fedorov has been enlightening for several years
                    The trouble is that no matter what a patriotic party would come to power in Russia, nothing will change without changing the pro-Western liberal colonial, sovereign national Constitution of the Russian Federation, and it will only get worse. Already, Russians are going to orient themselves towards homosexuality. Already these efforts in the Russian media have begun.

                    Tatyana, let me disagree with you in this context ... We had a very good Constitution of 36 years, but it did not give us guarantees against changes for the worse; we had a good Constitution of 77, which did not protect us from the disintegration of the state, and the current Constitution IS NOT FULFILLED even in the version that is ... Fedorov is a verbiage and a cheat! IMHO! He uses the principle: if you cannot resist - lead! So he headed the NOD! Why does he convince us that there is no difference in which party comes to power? And in order to maintain their power! To change the position of the people in the country, not the Constitution is needed, but the political will of those in power ... Stalin had this will, but he did not leave an "heir" who would continue his policy - the power was seized by the kolkhobniks and changed course under the SAME STALIN CONSTITUTION ! This is where the irony lies ... The same can be said about the juvenile: "Juvenile with a human face." !!! A beautiful sign, isn't it?))) But what can it GUARANTEE ??? When there is a great variety of laws and by-laws (quantity does not determine quality!), When they multiply like pies in a cook's oven, then no Constitution will work! Legal chaos will work!
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 23 July 2016 19: 27
                      0
                      bovig
                      Fedorov ... Why does he convince us that there is no difference in which party comes to power?

                      Under this Constitution of the Russian Federation, this is indeed so, since the Constitution of the Russian Federation is the basic law of the country. Under it are written other laws and regulations. The role of the individual in history, matters, but the head of the country cannot act outside the framework of the Constitution. It is possible to change and amend the Constitution of the Russian Federation in the interests of Russia's national security only by referendum, and the people have already been against it once, because ordinary people do not understand everything in jurisprudence, etc. People are afraid that it will be even worse. You need to know and understand which articles in the Constitution of the Russian Federation you need to correct, change, so that they serve our country and not foreign countries. This is the main problem.
                      1. Monarchist
                        Monarchist 23 July 2016 20: 33
                        -3
                        The communists have already escaped with a referendum on the removal of BN, although the wealthy and poor alike hated it together, they did not support the communists. That's why they engage in verbiage, and people like you get drunk on verbiage. According to verbiage with the Communist Party is equal to EP!
                  2. You Vlad
                    You Vlad 24 July 2016 11: 17
                    0
                    My opinion, as a simple person, democracy is vicious and flawed in itself! It is necessary to build another state based on justice for everyone! It may seem ridiculous but only some kind of supercomputer comes to mind! But how to build it into society and protect it? Man is always whose then interests
              4. Monarchist
                Monarchist 23 July 2016 20: 04
                +1
                Regarding the journal system: I am categorically against it, but your opus: "our leaders, represented by Putin and Medvedev, do not run the country, but they fulfill protocol agreements developed by the US, EU and IMF .... the Russian government, its deputies in the State Duma and their bodies on the ground they perform and will perform only the programs of the USA .. "So, according to the plans of the USA, Crimea became a part of the Russian Federation? Is it in accordance with the plans of the United States to protect Assad? And according to the plan of the US or the EU, we are strengthening the defense, then why the hell Kasyan and K. are accusing BB of violating democracy? And the last: import substitution is also according to the EU plan? Or am I dull or someone else?
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 23 July 2016 23: 50
                  +1
                  Monarchist
                  Or am I stupefied or someone else?
                  Glory! Yes, no one was stupefied! And you have a good question!
                  I gave a link in my post to material from the Internet, which is from 2013 of the year. It's just that the material is competent, internally consistent, and you can read it in more detail. As soon as Putin escaped a little control from the West and began to pursue a nationally oriented policy, the Russian Federation and Putin himself began to have problems.
                  And as for the party, the people in any party are very different. It's just that you need to critically evaluate and filter everything. Take away the seeds from the chaff! What prevents you from doing this. For example, it does not bother me.
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            2. a housewife
              a housewife 23 July 2016 14: 17
              0
              I agree with everything. Except - what does the rule about INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS have to do with it?
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            4. Alex Xorkam
              Alex Xorkam 23 July 2016 19: 17
              +1
              The juvenile system and justice of the West is, of course, a disgusting inhuman creature. Follow the west in this matter is simple. However, what does the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
              n.4. Art. 15 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation determines that the GENERALLY accepted principles and norms of international law are an integral part of the legal system of Russia, that is, the norms adopted by Russia otherwise they are not GENERALLY adopted. The opinion of the liberals that any norms professed in the West are our legal norms does not follow from the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
          2. bastard
            bastard 23 July 2016 20: 15
            +2
            Quote: Gilev Georgy
            Yes, propaganda is poorly covered.

            Vitamin "P" (belt) is not a panacea, of course, an integrated approach is needed. Carrot and stick, classic is forever.

            further quotes from the article:
            but by the age of 7, my character began to take shape, and it wasn’t easy. I became more unauthorized, restless, began to acquire a personal point of view on any occasion.

            Lack of vitamin "P", by the age of seven, the character is not easy and already a whole personal point of view. ... ...
            Mom offered to radically change my environment. Under this thought, my father found a "Jewish grandmother", and we ... moved to Israel.

            The guy is getting dark, this has always been known in the family.
            Everything changed by chance, when I was already 11 years old. After the next portion of the “belt therapy”, I got into a fuss: something overwhelmed my patience. I defiantly ran away from home.

            The pre-puberty period, together with the neglected case of the upbringing process, when there were once intelligent parents to engage in children, was late with a belt, Grandma said that children can be raised in such a way only when the child fits across the bench, and then later. That is, from the moment the child began to walk and until about five years old. This is Russian folk wisdom, not Jewish.
            Our family psychologist turned out to be a master of his craft. He did not even try to get into all our squabbles, but literally in two years he taught us to LISTEN and, most importantly, HEAR each other's point of view and conduct a DIALOGUE.

            Master of his craft! Bravo!
            My father gave up the conviction that I “did not have the right to my own opinion because of my age,” and realized that the phrase “because I said so” was not an explanation of my requirements. He learned to explain in words how I should behave instead of trying to develop a conditioned reflex to punishment in me.

            InfusionSCHhusbandЫto, respect and respect! I'm also not a fan of belt therapy, but not everything and does not always get through my head, alas.
            Of course, we quarreled, cursed, like any parents and children, but we learned to negotiate and not to go beyond. And I finished school and university “perfectly well”.

            Belt, though belated, has also contributed to the development of you as a person. Surely you are now grateful to your parents for the accumulated joint family experience. No, not just for the belt, of course. After all, they, ultimately, did not wish you harm, albeit in such an archaic way. After all, the task of parents is, ultimately, that the children become smarter and more educated than they are. Do not keep them angry, they only wanted one thing - that you become a person. And they used for this any resources available to them, just that.
            I know what I'm saying, because I, too, am at an age when I like both girls and their mothers.
            My regards.
            hi
        2. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera 23 July 2016 09: 49
          +6
          "Juvenalka with a human face."

          And here are the products of the "juvenile with a human face":

          How to wean a child from diapers.
          In Europe, the so-called kaka-books are very popular among preschool children. For an adult, they may seem disgusting and unpleasant, but they show children what we have in the body, what is in the animal body and what comes out of it and how and in what form. Also, these books can serve as a good teaching tool during the weaning of the child from diapers and accustoming to the potty.

          There are a lot of pictures in these cocoa books showing what kind of excrement people have, what birds and animals have. And all this is not trivial and boring, as in biology textbooks - no, everything is designed for modern children. When reading a book, invite the child to see if it is working out as shown in the book. To do this, invite him to go to the pot the next time, otherwise he will not be visible in the diaper. If you interest a child with a book, he will agree.

          4 Method of weaning from diapers: A joint trip to the toilet

          How to wean a child from diapers, if all of the above methods do not help? Well, just show him every day when, how and what mom and dad do in the toilet.

          Everything is simple here. Go to the toilet and take the baby with you every time. Let him see what mom and dad are doing in the toilet. Children want to be like their parents and they will eventually want to repeat after you.

          http://subscribe.ru/digest/children/development/n1219047650.html
          DB (s) Lavrov
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 23 July 2016 09: 54
            +8
            Here's more:
            And here I was indignant ... My husband told me how his colleague Sam goes to the pool with his 5-year-old daughter. Takes her with him to the men's locker room! The husband says: “What was he supposed to do?” I answer that when I went to the circus or the theater with my dad, and I had to go to the toilet, and I was too small, he asked some woman to help me, and he stood by the toilet and waited! He didn’t go to the women's toilet, he did not drag me to the men's room!

            And my husband also tells me that there is some kind of old man who is constantly rubbing his underwear with cream, and with such sweeping movements - I laughed. And then the husband tells how this old man rubs, and the girl, Sam’s daughter, stands and looks right next to him! And no one was ashamed of the child, the girl.

            5-year-olds are educated about masturbation and other subtleties. When I found out about this, I immediately decided that no later than when my child was 2 years old, I had to leave here. I want my child to have a normal CHILDHOOD childhood! But where to run? If only this shame would not get into Russia ...

            I watched a video on YouTube that you see children should try relationships (read copulation) with the opposite sex, and with their own, and then let them decide what to choose!

            Mom told me ... She went to Sweden on an excursion, and there they watched as a child approached the bin and began to lick it. They almost vomited everyone there! And his mother stood and looked, did nothing.

            I continue to tell this aunt: “I see that your youth are very rude, apparently because of this law. How much is he already acting? ” She sighed again, thought about it, and said that, in general, a long time ago. And she said that yes, ill-mannered, yes, more than one generation has grown up on this law, and then it will only get worse.
        3. Stas_77
          Stas_77 23 July 2016 11: 30
          0
          Listen, Khramov, you wouldn’t be sore; a man gave his example and, it must be said, not a bad one and told how they solve the problem. Just think about the fact that they don’t have orphanages, and if not, they are not on our scale. From you, here are neither concrete proposals, nor analysis, just one malice. PS is written for you! From myself I’ll add you, Temples.
          1. fennekRUS
            fennekRUS 23 July 2016 13: 46
            +7
            Quote: Stas_77
            told how they solve the problem
            That's just the point, that here about these points:
            3. The right of a family falling into the field of vision of social services is to demand a change in the social worker who oversees their case, while feeling prejudiced.

            4. The legislative order to social services to make every effort to preserve the integrity of the family and a wide range of instruments of assistance, including financial "for the needs of the child" for poor families. And also the duty to take into account the opinion of the child.

            5. Judicial practice of non-deprivation of parental rights, except in cases of causing serious harm to the child. Even in the case of alcoholics and drug addicts, deprivation is temporary, until rehabilitation.

            our lawmakers have safely "forgotten". The result is another system without feedback.
            1. Stas_77
              Stas_77 23 July 2016 14: 35
              0
              As expected, all laws are adopted in our country without world experience, every time we reinvent the wheel, then, having invented it, we consider and approve it for a long time. Well, having accepted it, we begin to improve it, realizing that we did not take into account a lot and, in the end, we leave this nonsense as it is, because no one wants to delve into it (new interesting ideas have appeared). The laws that our legislators have brought to a working state can be counted on the fingers, of course, they say that their "good" undertakings are being sabotaged locally. And after all, they do not recognize that what they have invented, on the ground have no idea how to implement it. The trouble is in them, and in us, who chooses them.
        4. Stas_77
          Stas_77 23 July 2016 11: 31
          -1
          You, Temples.
        5. Pereira
          Pereira 23 July 2016 19: 31
          0
          So the Temples took and cried out the cry of the soul of a hereditary Jewish intellectual.
          Again, the Jews failed to teach Russians the wisdom.
        6. Donhapa
          Donhapa 23 July 2016 22: 49
          +1
          Quote: Temples
          Hurray to the author and his intelligent dad and mother who saved the baby from Russian barbarism !!!
          Intelligent mind helped hidden Jews gain freedom !!!
          Down with the Soviet past !!!

          Juvenile justice is an enemy of Russian society
        7. Ermak
          Ermak 24 July 2016 17: 59
          0
          Temples (7) RU Yesterday, 07:17 ↑
          I here marked with color the assumptions of the author-poor fellow-exhausted.

          The article looks like advertising and propaganda. There is only one question for the propagandist, who has the right to have duties, you know what it is? and the answer to this is simple: keep your family full, pay for everything, then intervene ..... of course, if I agree that they pay for me.
    2. Dobrogneva
      Dobrogneva 23 July 2016 06: 18
      +12
      A hundred years ago, Russia tried to create an ideal, just society, but the world English-speaking oligarchy was frightened by Robin Hoods on a national scale, into which RI itself collided, thinking that it would simply fall apart (remember the intervention - when the whole civilized world invaded Russia in the beginning of the twentieth century, having already tied a napkin and decided to share a pie named “Russia”); revenge on Romanov petty - subsequently mixed the ideals of Communism with dirt propaganda and slander, like democracy now interferes with its elite crap. Well, nothing, as our teacher tells us: in the age of information technology, you never know where a targeted American missile will fly “to the enemy”, it's about the benefits of sawing ahead of time flies - a dumb cowboy. America (USA) has a bad conscience syndrome in relation to Russia; they have brought too much evil both to the world and to us. Will you shake hands with the descendants of those who for centuries have not let your people out of poverty using the dirtiest and most immoral tricks and constantly inventing new ones, slandering them, creating monsters like Hitler and supplying them with oil and paying for gold for aggression against your country? I hope the meaning of the word “politician” will change and the next generation of Russian politicians will not shake hands with them, just as the Holy Russian Princess Olga, Peter the Great, and Ivan the Terrible would not shake ...
      1. Riv
        Riv 23 July 2016 07: 21
        0
        After all, have you already expressed everything in the next branch? Why did you have to crap here as well? However, I know why. How many shekels are you paying for each post?
      2. Stas_77
        Stas_77 23 July 2016 11: 54
        +1
        Comrades! Gentlemen! Citizens! In this article, the person expressed his opinion, told his story, shared how this painful issue is resolved in another country, EVERYTHING. He does not impose his values ​​and the values ​​of his state, why do the majority see this here? We are turning into citizens of the Square, the Muscovites are to blame for everything, we have the decaying West. Why then did we fall for the "machinations of the West", why did not we fight back? There were probably reasons for that. I remember that at the dawn of our democracy everyone cursed communism, especially the period of Stalin's rule, now everyone rushed to sing of those times. Guys, did you live then? You are all shouting that you raised Russia then, albeit bloody, but there was no other way. Answer yourself to the question, how many of you are now ready to endure all the hardships and hardships, to sit and keep quiet, knowing that the corresponding organs can rake in? You need to solve your problems, and not blame others for the fact that they are, blame, sitting on the couch, without lifting a finger.
      3. You Vlad
        You Vlad 24 July 2016 20: 36
        0
        They don’t have nonsense and the syndrome has no where to get it! Russia is a strategic place on earth super rich for everyone! The ancients said who owns this land rules the world! We are the strongest nation on earth, therefore this earth is our millennium! And the west can also be understood! Why are they all and we have nothing? And it will always be so as long as we own this treasure!
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 23 July 2016 06: 37
      +39
      Now what? To teach Russian parents according to Jewish laws? My parents were not my childhood. Even my Russian grandmother's attempt to hang a twig on the wall for "ostrastka" ended with the fact that my father unfastened it with the same twig and then broke it and threw it away. But I witnessed a completely Jewish father hitting my classmate on the head with a clarinet case for an unlearned piece. The fact is that juvenile justice is aimed at destroying our values ​​and the Russian cult. And cruelty to children has never been encouraged in our country, and for this there were enough laws of our own. But the main thing is that it is unacceptable to intrude on interpersonal relations with the dirty paws of Western instructors. We will simply lose the last - a thousand-year-old family way of life. Then there will be a complete Liberec!
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 23 July 2016 06: 55
        +14
        Quote: siberalt
        But I was an eyewitness of how a completely Jewish father hit my classmate on the head with a clarinet case for an unlearned play.

        laughing laughing laughing Praise God that I am not a Jew ... drinks
      2. sergeybulkin
        sergeybulkin 23 July 2016 07: 19
        .
        The fact is that juvenile justice is aimed at the destruction of our values ​​and the Russian cult. And child abuse was never encouraged in our country, and there were enough of our own laws for this. But the main thing is that it is unacceptable to invade interpersonal relations with the dirty paws of Western instructors. Simply, we will lose the last - a millennium-old family lifestyle. And then there will be a complete Liberian!

        I do not know juvenile justice is trying to destroy what our values ​​areDo they exist at all (these values)? Maybe it’s a tradition to beat their children?
        Beating children with and without (how to say?) Is very bad! I often watch mothers mutter their children with anything and everything. What does it do mothers. In Russia, it is probably in the blood of people to prove everything and everywhere with their fists and legs. He who is stronger is right and the stronger he is to the right. Our law enforcement system is so designed that if you gave in the face to your beloved (passer-by, neighbor, son, daughter, etc.), then there will be nothing for you, that is, nothing at all. And while we have such orders, this will continue ... am
        1. olegkrava
          olegkrava 23 July 2016 09: 09
          +15
          Every family has its black sheep. In Russia, in the blood of our people, love for our near and dear ones. By the way, they don’t practice this in the West. They seek profit in everything. For you, since you went out into the yard, you can see how mothers send their children. The article was written by a juvenile boy who, entering a store, fell to the floor and banged his head demanding to buy what he wants. It’s not him who’s not normal, it’s his intelligent parents who brought him up like that, and when they noticed a puncture, they started to bring him up with a belt. The result is zero. Russia has nothing to do with it, there should be something in the head. Then you don’t need a belt.
          1. atalef
            atalef 23 July 2016 09: 28
            .
            Quote: olegkrava
            In Russia, in the blood of our people, love for our near and dear ones. By the way, they don’t practice this in the West.

            Well, yes, there are no families in the West, no blood bonds - there is nothing at all.
            Do you know style? then answer why?
            Russia
            1-place in the world in the number of suicides among the elderly, children and adolescents. 1 place in the world in the number of divorces and children born out of wedlock. 1-th place in the world in the number of abortions and the number of children abandoned by parents.

            Quote: olegkrava
            They seek profit in everything

            Is it profitable to give birth to children?
            1. navigator
              navigator 23 July 2016 09: 38
              +10
              Quote: atalef
              Well, yes, there are no families in the West, no blood bonds - there is nothing at all. Do you know the statistics? then answer why? Russia is the 1st place in the world in the number of suicides among the ELDERLY, CHILDREN and TEENAGERS. 1st place in the world in the number of divorces and children born out of wedlock. 1st place in the world in the number of abortions and the number of children abandoned by parents.


              And there is an explanation for this, an Israeli. No country, including artificially made Israel, could not stand what fell on us and fell. It simply wouldn’t be. Therefore, many characters changed their homeland to warm countries. According to the statistics of the fertility of the promised land I won’t say, I don’t know, but I don’t need to sing about the geyropu. I know what’s going on there, because I’ve been there all the time. You, an Israeli, a storyteller.
              1. atalef
                atalef 23 July 2016 09: 44
                -9
                Quote: navigator
                And there is an explanation for this, an Israeli. No country, including artificially made Israel, could not stand what fell on us and is falling.

                Well, of course we can be envied.
                Quote: navigator
                .It simply would not be

                Keep believing in fairy tales
                Quote: navigator
                According to the fertility statistics of the promised land I will not say, I do not know

                In Israel - 3.09 child per woman
                In Russia - 1.59
                Quote: navigator
                You Israeli are a storyteller.

                In what?
                1. navigator
                  navigator 23 July 2016 09: 57
                  +3
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, of course we can be envied. Quote: navigator. It simply wouldn’t continue to believe in fairy tales Quote: navigator I don’t say, according to the statistics of the fertility of the promised land, I don’t know, in Israel - 3.09 children per woman in Russia - 1.59


                  I said that I don’t know about Israel, reading is bad? It was about the birth rate of geyropa.


                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, of course we can be envied.


                  There is nothing to envy you, you can sympathize.

                  Quote: atalef
                  Keep believing in fairy tales


                  No tales. Tales to you, storyteller.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 23 July 2016 10: 04
                    -4
                    Quote: navigator
                    I said that I don’t know about Israel, reading is bad? It was about the birth rate of geyropa.

                    What do I know in Europe?
                    Give statistics - fertility. juvenile delinquency, drug addiction, alcoholism, street children
                    Quote: navigator
                    There is nothing to envy you, you can sympathize.

                    Well, thank God, and here many are sure - for a long shekel, to warm countries. laughing
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                    3. navigator
                      navigator 23 July 2016 10: 20
                      +6
                      Quote: atalef
                      What do I know about Europe? Give statistics - birth rate. juvenile delinquency, drug addiction, alcoholism, street children


                      Statistics are for Google or Yandex. I have been working for many years with Chukhons, Anglicos, Ami, Jews, by the way, too. I often go there. Therefore, there are statistics from the first hand. Yes, and in Murmansk there are enough fools who dream of marrying a norg and leaving .Many have already returned, without children, by the way. Children were left to dads.


                      Quote: atalef
                      Well, thank God, and here many are sure - for a long shekel, to warm countries.


                      For a sweet life, classmates of your nationality sing songs like yours is sweet there. One in Ashdod writes how everything in Russia was 30 years ago, it remains, and we have a tap under each bush for automatic watering. And so on . He boasted that his non-Jewish wife also now considers the land promised to be her Homeland. Which is also not new, for those who are satisfying, there is also a Homeland.
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 23 July 2016 10: 51
                        -5
                        Quote: navigator
                        Statistics is Google or Yandex. I have been working for many years with Chukhons, Anglicos, Ami, Jews, by the way, too., I visit there often.Therefore, statistics firsthand.

                        OBS - heard laughing
                        Quote: navigator
                        And in Murmansk there are enough fools who dream of marrying a norg and leaving. Many have already returned, without children, by the way. Children were left to dads.

                        Of course, how would you like the Norwegian law to infringe on the rights of its citizens for the sake of the Russians and allow them to take their children (Norwegian citizens) abroad?
                        Quote: navigator
                        For a sweet life

                        Sweet life laughing
                        Quote: navigator
                        classmates of your nationality, sing songs, how sweet it is there.

                        Or maybe they don’t lie?
                        Quote: navigator
                        And so on. He boasted that his non-Jewish wife also now considers the land promised by her Motherland

                        Strange but mine is the same laughing
                        Quote: navigator
                        What is also not new, for those where it is satisfying, the Motherland is there.

                        Indeed, it is strange that a Jew wants to live in Israel. laughing
                      2. navigator
                        navigator 23 July 2016 11: 32
                        +2
                        Quote: atalef
                        Or maybe they don’t lie? Quote: navigatorAnd so on. I bragged that my non-Jewish wife also now considers the land promised to her Motherland Strange, but my same Quote: navigatorWhat is also not new, for those where it’s satisfying, there’s the Homeland. that a Jew wants to live in Israel.


                        It seems to be non-Jewish wives. And most importantly, an Israeli, that you and people like you are not given to understand. Homeland is the place where you were born, by definition, and not where it is warm, light, and comfortable. Caught up with the rest? I do not comment, will not reach.
                      3. atalef
                        atalef 23 July 2016 12: 01
                        -2
                        Quote: navigator
                        It seems to be non-Jewish wives. And most importantly, an Israeli, that you and people like you are not given to understand. Homeland is a place,where you were born, by definition, and not where it is warm, light, and comfortable.

                        i.e. Russians returning to Russia from Kazakhstan. Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan --- traitors to the motherland?
                        By the way, I was born in Belarus laughing

                        Quote: navigator
                        .Caught up with?

                        and overtook laughing
                      4. navigator
                        navigator 23 July 2016 12: 09
                        +2
                        Quote: atalef
                        i.e. Russians returning to Russia from Kazakhstan. Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan --- traitors to the motherland? By the way, I was born in Belarus


                        And you have your homeland, an Israeli, Belarus, by the way. And there’s no betrayal in returning to your historical homeland. I understand that you have so much fun, joker. I didn’t even call you a traitor, by the way.
                      5. atalef
                        atalef 23 July 2016 12: 43
                        0
                        Quote: navigator
                        And your homeland, an Israeli, Belarus, by the way

                        No, I lived there only a month of my life
                        Quote: navigator
                        And in returning to their historical homeland there is no betrayal.

                        So I came back
                        Quote: navigator
                        . I didn’t call you a traitor, by the way.

                        yes, and this is what 7
                        Quote: navigator
                        .Motherland is the place where you were born, by definition, and not where it is warm, light, and comfortable. Did you catch it? I don’t comment on the rest, it won’t reach.
                      6. navigator
                        navigator 23 July 2016 13: 15
                        0
                        Quote: atalef
                        No, I lived there only a month of my life


                        I didn’t catch up. For those in the tank, you were BORN there! What difference does it make how much you lived there.

                        Quote: atalef
                        yes, and that’s what 7Quote: navigator. Homeland is the place where you were born, by definition, and not where it is warm, light, and comfortable. Did you catch it?


                        And this is the definition of "Motherland", not a word about betrayal, Israeli.
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                      9. alicante11
                        alicante11 23 July 2016 12: 44
                        +1
                        i.e. Russians returning to Russia from Kazakhstan. Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan --- traitors to the motherland?


                        So they were born in Russia-USSR. And they are returning to Russia-Russia. So the divided people just connect.
                      10. atalef
                        atalef 23 July 2016 12: 58
                        -2
                        Quote: alicante11
                        So they were born in Russia-USSR

                        And what is the general connection between the USSR and Russia?
                        The fact that Russia has appointed itself the assignee?
                        A million Uzbeks will come to Russia tomorrow with one statement - we were born in the USSR laughing
                        Quote: alicante11
                        So the divided people just connect.

                        Here I am about the fact that a divided people are reunited in Israel.
                      11. alicante11
                        alicante11 23 July 2016 14: 08
                        +1
                        And what is the general connection between the USSR and Russia?


                        The most direct - Russia is the USSR.

                        A million Uzbeks will come to Russia tomorrow with one statement - we were born in the USSR


                        Are Uzbeks ethnic Russians? I spoke about Russians in the USSR, and not about Uzbeks.

                        Here I am about the fact that a divided people are reunited in Israel.


                        In Israel, fish gather, looking for where deeper.
                      12. atalef
                        atalef 23 July 2016 14: 14
                        -1
                        Quote: alicante11
                        The most direct - Russia is the USSR.

                        Tell it to Ukraine, Moldova. Georgia, the Baltic states laughing
                        Quote: alicante11
                        Are Uzbeks ethnic Russians? I talked about Russians in the USSR, not about Uzbeks

                        that is, for Russians, the USSR is Russia, and for everyone else, the USSR is their Uzbekistan or Kazakhstan laughing
                        Quote: alicante11
                        In Israel, fish gather, looking for where deeper.

                        Say it to Russians returning to Russia, from, say, Kazakhstan, Germany or France, or there are none laughing
                      13. alicante11
                        alicante11 23 July 2016 14: 49
                        +2
                        Tell it to Ukraine, Moldova. Georgia, Baltic states laughing


                        Why speak? They separated from Russia-USSR.

                        that is, for Russians, the USSR is Russia, and for everyone else, the USSR is their Uzbekistan or Kazakhstan laughing


                        And then there was no Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, there were the Uzbek SSR and the Kazakh SSR - as parts of the USSR-Russia.

                        Say it to Russians returning to Russia, from, say, Kazakhstan, Germany or France, or there aren’t any laughing


                        I explained to you the difference about the CIS countries, and about Germany and France - I have a question, how did they get there, Russians?
                      14. v02000
                        v02000 24 July 2016 21: 45
                        0
                        1 000 000 Tajiks will come to Israel tomorrow, saying that we will circumcise and the Semitic people ... Well? Accept? How are brothers not according to Christ? Reunite?
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                      16. tilix
                        tilix 23 July 2016 11: 34
                        +1
                        And in Murmansk there’s enough foolishness,
                        And who and how brings them up there? Before.
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                      18. navigator
                        navigator 23 July 2016 11: 46
                        0
                        Quote: tilix
                        And who and how brings them up there? Before.


                        Those who bring up fools in Israel. Or are there no fools in Israel?
                      19. tilix
                        tilix 23 July 2016 12: 50
                        +2
                        Those who bring up fools in Israel. Or are there no fools in Israel?
                        ABOUT! Consensus. Not only are there enough locals, they also roam. From Russia to Israel, in rare cases, back too. Increasing and diversifying this population.
                        In spite of the juvenility here and the belt there.
                      20. navigator
                        navigator 23 July 2016 13: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: tilix
                        ABOUT! Consensus. Not only are there enough locals, they also roam. From Russia to Israel, in rare cases, back too. Increasing and diversifying this population. In spite of the juvenility here and the belt there.


                        About what and speech. Fool is not a nationality.
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              2. v02000
                v02000 24 July 2016 14: 00
                0
                Sorry, but whose ratings? Who ordered and drafted? Link. Please.
            2. Camel
              Camel 23 July 2016 10: 54
              +1
              1-place in the world in the number of suicides among the elderly, children and adolescents. 1 place in the world in the number of divorces and children born out of wedlock. 1-th place in the world in the number of abortions and the number of children abandoned by parents.

              Will you give a reference? And then lately any ratings got divorced ... hi
            3. nik1321
              nik1321 23 July 2016 16: 52
              0
              there are lies, and there are statistics - do not fool the head, Mr. good, because statistics have long passed from the category of facts to the category of arguments and the formation of public opinion.
            4. Top5
              Top5 23 July 2016 20: 39
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Well, yes, there are no families in the West, no blood bonds - there is nothing at all.
              Do you know style? then answer why?
              Russia
              1-place in the world in the number of suicides among the elderly, children and adolescents. 1 place in the world in the number of divorces and children born out of wedlock. 1-th place in the world in the number of abortions and the number of children abandoned by parents.


              Dear atalef, from joy that I got rid of advertising on VO, I am so happy that I can not help but share information with you.

              If you have a Google Chrome browser or Firefox, then go to the browser extension store and install ublock origin and in its settings in the 2nd tab check all Rus Rus Rus.

              I immediately felt relief for the eyes, the VO site opens pages faster
        2. Tulip
          Tulip 23 July 2016 10: 00
          +8
          Physical punishment is the most intelligible and simple method, showing that you have to answer for your actions and words. Sometimes this answer is very, very unpleasant. In the future, understanding the possibility of the consequences of their Wishlist, already think, and not be guided by momentary instincts.
          As an example, the most exaggerated: During the Second World War, in the battle the commissar did not have time to ask a coward:
          “You want to talk about this?”
          The commissar simply shot him on the spot, and here the understanding of similar consequences is brought up by physical impact.
          1. Nick1953
            Nick1953 23 July 2016 11: 15
            0
            It’s like fire - don’t stick your finger, it will be more. In big trouble should be punished.
        3. Delink
          Delink 23 July 2016 11: 07
          +9
          And you did your children for what?
          To continue a kind of family tradition, they taught, passed on the experience to their children.
          And this juvenile will make of you just a car for reproducing children, and then the state will already determine where your child will be determined and who will teach him to educate. In this case, you will still unfasten the grandmother for his education.
          Well ...... what is the value now?
      3. Riv
        Riv 23 July 2016 07: 19
        +7
        Then it’s a hundred years old. Millennial structure was destroyed at the beginning of the last century. It’s all the more fun to hear this from a Jew.
      4. 34 region
        34 region 23 July 2016 08: 03
        +4
        Sibtralt! 06.37. And if you look at the question more broadly? What is the strategic perspective of juvenile repercussions? Maybe since childhood psychology is laid down, there are none of ours, we must surrender everyone. In the 90s, many joked over Pavlik Morozov. More knocks Pavlik! Here juvenile children grow up accustomed to writing denunciations from childhood. And stop scribbling? Many scold the times of Stalin. They wrote a lot of denunciations! This is bad! Now comes the propaganda of upbringing. Here we will scold or support? Are we renting our own or not? Do not give up yours or surrender? Or maybe not ours? there is only me! Let's discuss this issue from this angle.
        1. lesnik1978
          lesnik1978 23 July 2016 09: 25
          +7
          What do you know about Pavlik Morozov !? Learned phrases? Pavlik Morozov was clearly written by his school teacher (at that time she was 94 years old) in the magazine "Man and Law". Revealed the image of his "dad". Everyone knows the term "biological father." This is the man who stuck in, spat and went. And about the scumbag's grandfather (a couple of warm words were written by the "daddy"). He stabbed his grandson and his cousin with a knife. Daddy rattled. drove the common human good to the left, Paul brought him out into the open. That's the whole story.
          1. 34 region
            34 region 23 July 2016 10: 59
            0
            Forester1978! 09.25. All this is understandable. Father left the family, went to another. Pavlik for justice. Dad with the grandfather of the killer. And what does this look like from the point of view of SJ and VO readers? After all, it was a matter that Pavlik was cursed on black. What are your views on this topic today?
            1. lesnik1978
              lesnik1978 23 July 2016 16: 37
              +4
              At that difficult time, the loss of a male breadwinner was tantamount to starvation. After all, he took away all agricultural property (horses, harrows, etc., although the good belonged to his wife. So he was a complete stranger. After all, the real father is the one who will raise even his own child and put him on his feet. And cursed he is not people, but liberals, they still swear all the Soviet and Russian.
      5. Gilev georgy
        Gilev georgy 23 July 2016 09: 05
        +10
        SJ, as an instrument of globalization, is directed not against Russian culture, but against the culture of anyone. Globalization formats the entire population of the planet under one standard.
        And residents of big cities are at the forefront of this process. All residents of megacities, whether Tokyo or London, are basically the same.
      6. Tulip
        Tulip 23 July 2016 09: 37
        +4
        ended up with her father unfastening her for it with the same twig and then broke it and threw it away.

        This is enough to form an opinion about your father. You would not disgrace him.
      7. Stas_77
        Stas_77 23 July 2016 11: 18
        -3
        "Destruction of our values ​​and Russian culture" - this is from our values ​​your father whipped his mother with a twig? What "millennial family structure" are you talking about? It ended with the end of the Russian Empire. "But the main thing is that it is unacceptable to invade interpersonal relations with the dirty paws of Western instructors" - can our services be allowed? The article is not about what THEIR way of life is imposed on us, the article is about how we need to go for the better and it does not matter that it is someone else's experience, it is important that it is positive.
      8. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 23 July 2016 13: 55
        +7
        For Sibiralt.
        Oleg, everything is correct. Only I want to supplement your comment.
        There are articles in the legislation of the USSR and the Russian Federation that allow courts to deprive parents of parental rights, including for ill-treatment. But through the court.
        And in juvenile justice, a court decision is not necessary; guardianship authorities control everything. Enough neighbors have enough cliches - and the child will be removed from the family. This is practiced with might and main in neighboring Finland - the leader in this so-called juvenile justice. I know this very well, my classmate (Finnish mother) has been living there for a long time, first-hand information.
        Moreover, children are not taken from truly dysfunctional families. For one simple reason - it will then be difficult to transfer (or rather, sell it) to someone in adoption. So the essence of all this abomination is that children are considered as goods.
        Which guardianship authorities can take without a court order and dispose of it at their discretion.
    4. Hon
      Hon 23 July 2016 09: 08
      0
      You are mistaken, this is our state, it breaks any teeth. I see many who are not satisfied with this law, and this discontent does not go beyond the Internet. And the Russian people are obedient like a calf, so that a juvinal doesn’t break herself off
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    5. Boris55
      Boris55 23 July 2016 09: 32
      0
      Quote: Ruslan67
      About Russia, any juvenile horn breaks off and creeps away

      "The Federation Council Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Building has almost unanimously approved a scandalous bill. The one according to which parental spanking is criminalized up to 2 years in prison." More details: http://79.120.77.163/klin-9/?p=4940

      About juvenile from 5:20 min.

      1. You Vlad
        You Vlad 23 July 2016 09: 58
        +2
        Ha Ha It seems Uncle Vova again deceived the librarians! Law Yarovaya shoved! And this law is so sorry contrary to the constitution! Boris, thank you very much for the video!
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 23 July 2016 10: 26
          +1
          Return for revision to the fortuneteller do not go))
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 23 July 2016 11: 50
            +2
            Quote: you Vlad
            Return for revision to the fortuneteller do not go))

            ... nope, they will leave ... you just can't drag a juvenile under him ... The Criminal Procedure Code does not allow ... it was just a "carrot on a stick" in front of "juvenile donkeys" ...
            Quote: You Vlad
            Ha Ha It seems Uncle Vova again deceived the librarians!

            ... in fact, exactly so ... hi
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 23 July 2016 16: 21
              0
              Hopefully the next chance they will not have in the near future!
    6. Beefeater
      Beefeater 23 July 2016 10: 06
      +1
      Grandfather will be imprisoned and a happy child will be identified in an orphanage. Everyone will be able to prove himself in a new field. Prisons and special schools for children - psychopaths will need immeasurably
    7. cyberhanter
      cyberhanter 23 July 2016 16: 47
      0
      Already entered
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 23 July 2016 05: 59
    +39
    the author was just lucky. and if they moved to france or finland, he would have lived in another family, or a shelter. so "into the furnace" the excuse of "juvenile" ...
    1. Nzn
      Nzn 23 July 2016 06: 44
      +16
      I agree completely. Lucky for the author. Finland, France ... These will be more flowers compared to what will happen in our country, if ... Imagine a situation when "from above" will receive an order to strengthen control over the implementation of these laws. Practically speaking, from the experience of communicating with prosecutors and courts, I am sure that the employees responsible for the execution (not all, but enough for us) will begin to drive the STATISTICS of those identified and suppressed. And we will be extras.
    2. Beaver
      Beaver 23 July 2016 06: 44
      +24
      The position and argumentation of the author are, to put it mildly, "strange". An attempt to make some kind of global generalizations from one particular case is incorrect. request
      And the statement "what works in Israel will bring good results in Russia as well" directly contradicts the everyday wisdom "that a Russian is good, then a German is death." hi
    3. navigator
      navigator 23 July 2016 10: 02
      +7
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      the author was just lucky .a if they moved to France or Finland


      And Norway excels in the selection of children, as well as in the number of blue and pink.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 23 July 2016 17: 28
        +1
        Quote: navigator
        the same as in the number of blue and pink.

        this is north, they are "so" heated ... lol
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    5. Hon
      Hon 24 July 2016 14: 59
      +1
      Have you personally encountered this in France or Finland? Very often shown on TV, very different from reality.
  3. saniajan
    saniajan 23 July 2016 06: 00
    +11
    Juvenile justice implies a complete ban on raising children, although this is what all human civilization rests on.
    this is a new monstrous weapon of NATO and other idiots.
    1. Riv
      Riv 23 July 2016 06: 22
      -2
      What are you talking about? The author of the article spoke in plain language about his life situation and how correct juvenile justice works. Reread the article.
      1. Smog
        Smog 23 July 2016 07: 17
        +14
        Quote: Riv
        What are you talking about? The author of the article spoke in plain language about his life situation and how correct juvenile justice works. Reread the article.

        Right And in the end, such a small quirk, liberal.
        Those who are going to write comments in the style of “they thrashed me with a belt, but I grew up a man,” I will ask a simple question: why then any official / boss, clothed with a drop of power, almost with impunity, goes as he pleases to people like you?

        And I will answer myself: in your subconscious mind, he is “a father with a belt,” which you cannot bring yourself to cross. Reflex!
        And this is from a completely different opera.
        1. Riv
          Riv 23 July 2016 08: 13
          -3
          This is the slave mentality. Instead of a father, there may be a "sergeant with a baton", or a "master with a whip." People are not afraid of punishment, but of responsibility. Do you understand the difference? And responsibility implies a limitation of rights and for a coward there is nothing worse.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 23 July 2016 09: 12
            +3
            This is the slave mentality.


            This is not a slave mentality, but a reasonable decision. You can't beat a butt with a whip, so you need to bypass this "butt", which will allow you to achieve your goal with less cost. And it has nothing to do with the parental "belt".
        2. Camel
          Camel 23 July 2016 11: 22
          +7
          Smog
          And this is from a completely different opera.

          Yes, you drew attention to an interesting point: a person actually (from the age of 10) who grew up in Israel, and has absolutely no idea of ​​our realities, tells us about servility towards officials, etc. And even sums up the "psychological" base - "father with a belt." Those. we are flawed because obey GOVERNMENT OFFICERS.
          Interestingly, the author submits obedience to the Israeli authorities as a matter of course. Double standard? I don’t think ... bully
          1. Smog
            Smog 23 July 2016 14: 41
            +5
            Quote: Camel
            Smog
            And this is from a completely different opera.

            Yes, you drew attention to an interesting point: a person actually (from the age of 10) who grew up in Israel, and has absolutely no idea of ​​our realities, tells us about servility towards officials, etc. And even sums up the "psychological" base - "father with a belt." Those. we are flawed because obey GOVERNMENT OFFICERS.
            Interestingly, the author submits obedience to the Israeli authorities as a matter of course. Double standard? I don’t think ... bully

            He even drew it. And also drew attention to this
            Instead of a father, there can be "sergeant with a baton", or "master with a whip"
            And further passages about punishment ....
            So I sat and thought. That means if I commit (suppose) some illegal actions and a policeman with a baton came up to me (ran up, depending on the situation), then I saw that my actions were threatening someone or were clearly aggressive , then, I think, this sergeant with a baton will use this democratizer to put me along or across the ridge, then he will put his face in the mud, wrap fins and put on bracelets, and he, the sergeant, was dad tearing me deeply purple with a belt as a child or leading us with life-saving family psychologist. So I do not see the connection between juvenile justice and the master with a whip
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 23 July 2016 07: 49
        +14
        The author of the article spoke in plain language about his life situation and how correct juvenile justice works.


        The author has mixed the concepts. The absence of juvenile justice does NOT IN ANY WAY hinder the dialogue with the child. And the help of a psychologist is not at all necessary for understanding this. I always adhere to the principle, "remember yourself." Both with children and with students, if something I don't understand or something doesn't work out, then I start with my memories. And it helps a lot. For example, identify the moment when students move from simple slovenliness to trying to "sit on their heads." It also helps to determine when with children it is necessary to "use power" and to what extent. I know from myself that once in a lifetime to receive a spanking from a parent is enough for a single mention of the "belt" to turn on the internal brake in the future. At the same time, if you constantly apply it, then, indeed, the punishment becomes habitual and only offensive.

        Here are other views on how "juvenile justice" works in Israel.

        http://nicshe2003.livejournal.com/489724.html


        http://juvenalka2010.narod.ru/index/0-51


        In general, it is not necessary to present Israel as a promised land by the comments of local Jews. This is part of the Western world with all its disadvantages.
      3. Altona
        Altona 23 July 2016 08: 19
        +6
        Quote: Riv
        What are you talking about? The author of the article spoke in plain language about his life situation and how correct juvenile justice works. Reread the article.

        ---------------------
        The author generally spoke not about "juvenile justice", but about social psychological assistance to the family. He himself made reservations that all this social service is controlled and that parents can intervene in the process, demanding the replacement of the social worker. In the Soviet system, of course, there were no psychologists, this bourgeois system follows the path of psychological services, producing expensive psychoanalysts. The Soviet system tried to heal with collectivism. In principle, a guy in the army could fully understand the perniciousness of his behavior, there he would be weaned from such quirks. He just would not have finished school normally.
        1. 34 region
          34 region 23 July 2016 08: 53
          +9
          Altona! 08.19. Uh! How would you better express it? In Soviet times, a sense of collectivism was instilled. Like, we don’t leave our own. In the bourgeois system (this is my personal opinion) they cultivate an egoistic self. A sense of collectivism gives a sense of strength. We are a team! A sense of individualism creates problems. I'm so starry, but they don’t appreciate me! It is necessary to turn to a psychologist. My opinion about juvenile. This is a selection of selfish opportunists. Selection of Judas. They will always be offended by everyone in life. This can be seen in the example of modern free Cossack homeless people. I'm all like that, and around ... and face in the mud. A curtain.
      4. Serg65
        Serg65 23 July 2016 08: 19
        +16
        Quote: Riv
        What are you talking about? The author of the article spoke in plain language about his life situation and how correct juvenile justice works. Reread the article.

        I read and answer in an accessible language. Russian education .. as it were.
        In the upbringing of the son, the father played the main role, well, mother cannot make a man out of her son! Dad flogged me, but flogged me for the cause! In 12 years I caught a cigarette, thanks to his science I did not smoke until 26-tee. He didn’t flog every detail, but always discussed the problem with me, citing his life as an example. Those. tried to imagine my environment from different angles. NEVER demanded that I become a great person, but always instilled love and respect for myself and my mother!
        How is education now.
        Those born in the middle of the 80's had a conscious childhood just at the 90. The collapse was not only in the country but also in families. In this regard, the psyche of many children was often disturbed, which affected later. Some modern parents often try to frustrate their bad mood on children. The reason could be anything ... a deuce, torn pants, a misunderstanding of the school subject and anything. And it would seem that it’s easier to sit down and talk with the child simply humanly, heart to heart!
        Another part of parents having read smart books (often by Western authors) is trying to make child prodigies out of their children. Additional training, all kinds of courses, textbooking until midnight. It would seem that good intentions, but that parents steal their childhood from their children and turn the future fate of their child into a family business!
        Juvenile justice is a struggle with the consequence, not the cause! And the reason is that parents are divorced from historical roots!
        Since I live in the East, I will cite the old Eastern wisdom "For the first 5 years you are a slave to your child, for the next 10 years your child is your slave, and throughout the rest of your life you are best friends." hi
        1. atalef
          atalef 23 July 2016 08: 45
          -8
          Quote: Serg65
          ! Dad flogged me, but flogged me for the cause! In 12 years I caught a cigarette, thanks to his science I did not smoke until 26-tee.

          Did Dad smoke it himself?
          And why only in 26?
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 23 July 2016 09: 05
            +3
            Did Dad smoke it himself?


            And what if the "dad" goes to drown, then you also need to follow him? You are strange - Westernizers. Justify the mistakes of the fathers for the mistakes of the children. There is no type of alternative and cannot be pointed to.
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 July 2016 09: 33
              0
              Quote: alicante11
              And what if the "dad" goes to drown, then you also need to follow him?

              No, if Dad himself smokes, then with a belt to explain that smoking is not allowed - as it is not entirely logical.
              Quote: alicante11
              Here you are strange - Westerners. Justify the mistakes of the fathers of the mistakes of children.

              No, I had a conversation with my son about this (I myself smoke), my son - no (he already has 24)
              I have explained. that smoking is harmful and bad. He asked - why am I smoking?
              I answered the truth, parents can be wrong and not be an example in everything.
              Smoking is bad, this is my mistake, I don’t want to. what would you repeat it.
              That's all. I convinced - thank God, if you hadn’t convinced me - then you had to not eat, you wouldn’t have any sense - you yourself cannot set an example - you won’t achieve it with a belt
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 23 July 2016 12: 18
                0
                No, if Dad himself smokes, then with a belt to explain that smoking is not allowed - as it is not entirely logical.


                That's just the belt and can be explained in this case. Although, of course, it is better to quit, then the belt will not be needed.

                No, I had a conversation with my son about this (I myself smoke), my son - no (he already has 24)


                And I do not smoke, although my father smokes in full. At the same time, no one spoke to me. I just figured out how much money I would spend on cigarettes and even swore to try. I mean, it's not a fact that the conversation helped. After all, he, like the belt, also does not always work. Especially at the age when the question of smoking arises.
              2. Altona
                Altona 24 July 2016 09: 53
                0
                Quote: atalef
                Smoking is bad, this is my mistake, I don’t want to. what would you repeat it.
                That's all. I convinced - thank God, if you hadn’t convinced me - then you had to not eat, you wouldn’t have any sense - you yourself cannot set an example - you won’t achieve it with a belt

                ---------------------
                Sasha, most of the commentators do not take into account the psychology of the child. In a child at the age of 14, in the initial period of growing up, the parental guardianship is rejected. A person wants to be more mature, as it seems to him. This is starting to show up in a new image - tattoos, piercings, strange clothes. New habits - music, strange companies, smoking, drinking. In this case, the parent must go from the form of a formidable guardian to the form of a friend. This somersault may not succeed, because the offspring will present the standard accusation "you do not live like this, and since you live, I do not want to live." Therefore, it is not about the belt, but about the finer adjustment of the child's degree of freedom. He should feel that he is not tied, he is trusted and wants to support him. And that he can only get support from his family, and not from dubious friends who use it.
          2. Beaver
            Beaver 23 July 2016 09: 13
            +4
            Quote: atalef
            Did Dad smoke it himself?
            And why only in 26?

            My smoked like a steam locomotive. I got kicked. I still don’t smoke and I can’t stand the tobacco smoke. Any more questions? hi
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 July 2016 09: 34
              +1
              Quote: Castor
              My smoked like a steam locomotive. I got kicked. I still don’t smoke and I can’t stand the tobacco smoke. Any more questions?

              They will be, all whom they smote - do not smoke?
              1. Beaver
                Beaver 23 July 2016 09: 58
                +3
                Quote: atalef
                all whom they flogged - do not smoke?

                All who are not flogged - smoke?
                1. atalef
                  atalef 23 July 2016 10: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Castor
                  Quote: atalef
                  all whom they flogged - do not smoke?

                  All who are not flogged - smoke?

                  Well, if the influence is zero, why the hell to beat children?
                  1. Beaver
                    Beaver 23 July 2016 11: 21
                    0
                    Quote: atalef
                    why the hell to beat children?

                    Already quoted here one famous Israeli king. It seems that for you he is not an authority. sad
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 23 July 2016 12: 07
                      +1
                      Quote: Castor
                      Quote: atalef
                      why the hell to beat children?

                      Already quoted here one famous Israeli king. It seems that for you he is not an authority. sad

                      no, not authority.
                2. alicante11
                  alicante11 23 July 2016 12: 20
                  +1
                  All who are not flogged - smoke?


                  I do not agree. My father never touched my finger. Mother a couple of times arranged a bashing, but not for a smoke. I don’t smoke.
                  1. PHANTOM-AS
                    PHANTOM-AS 23 July 2016 12: 29
                    +5
                    Quote: alicante11
                    My father never touched my finger.

                    and at six, Dad polished me with a wire from the iron along the fifth point, for stealing a three-ruble note so that I could treat the neighbor's sweetheart with ice cream.
                    To this day, nothing alien to take, even thoughts do not arise.
                    Thanks to father for the science!
          3. Serg65
            Serg65 23 July 2016 10: 52
            +6
            Quote: atalef
            Did Dad smoke it himself?

            Dad (he was already 93 and God forbid still to live) did not smoke, even being at the front.
            Quote: atalef
            And why only in 26?

            And how your co-religionists began to break up the Union. and so nerves and failed .... I did not start drinking, I’ll make a reservation right away wink
            Quote: atalef
            No, if Dad himself smokes, then with a belt to explain that smoking is not allowed - as it is not entirely logical.

            And do not look for logic in everything, the roof can go. You just have to be a MAN!
            Quote: atalef
            That's all. Convinced - thank God

            You said the same thing as I did in the previous comment. The belt is an extreme measure and sometimes very intelligible. My eldest, at 5 age, came with tears in her eyes, 8-year-old neighbor beat. The son received for the fact that he could not give back. In 20 minutes my mom’s neighbor got screaming about screaming about beating her boy, my son got a chocolate bar wink
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 July 2016 12: 14
              -2
              Quote: Serg65
              Dad (he was already 93 and God forbid still to live) did not smoke, even being at the front.

              A perfect example for a son. At least he had the right to say - do as I do
              Quote: Serg65
              And how your co-religionists began to break up the Union. and so nerves and failed .... I did not start drinking, I’ll make a reservation right away

              Yeltsin with Gorbachev?
              Well, dad, didn’t smoke at the front (he wasn’t afraid of the Nazis), but he didn’t go out to the barricades, he fell out of co-religion and began to thump?
              Not a very good example for a son
              Quote: Serg65
              And do not look for logic in everything, the roof can go. You just have to be a MAN!

              Everyone puts their own concept into it.
              I somehow watched the Discovery show about the tribe of cannibals, already forgot what it is called. but in translation it sounded --- Real people. laughing
              Quote: Serg65
              The belt is an extreme measure and sometimes very intelligible.

              A belt is not a measure.
              Quote: Serg65
              My older one at the age of 5 came with tears in his eyes, an 8-year-old neighbor beat. Son got for not being able to give back. In 20 minutes. next door mom shouted about beating my boy my son got a chocolate bar

              indeed, in different ways we look at education.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 23 July 2016 21: 10
                +4
                Quote: atalef
                Well, dad, didn’t smoke at the front (he wasn’t afraid of the Nazis), but he didn’t go out to the barricades, he fell out of co-religion and began to thump?

                That's what I think an Israeli (yes, not a Jew), because it is not in vain that God deceived you and sent you to wander around the world, oh no wonder! Where did you read that my father began to thump? Well, are you so disgusting for the people? Why did your father beat you? Who were the Jews in the USSR? Is it peasants, workers, waved a sledgehammer? Not at all. Writers, musicians, singers, engineers, technologists, architects, lawyers, store directors, merchandisers, warehouse managers. So your father beat you only because you didn’t pick up a pick and a shovel, and you still didn’t understand the foolish Bosko! And all because you are now Israeli that you are not a Jew!
                Quote: atalef
                indeed, in different ways we look at education.

                Yes, in different ways and therefore from time immemorial we live on our land and do not wander!
          4. a housewife
            a housewife 24 July 2016 13: 46
            +1
            With smoke all the explanations are zero. In my family, neither mother nor sisters have ever smoked, dad smoked since he was 12, then at 38 he quit once and for all, he simply decided and quit. My stepfather smoked with my husband with might and main, my husband never smoked, not once. I do not smoke or smoke even once. The eldest daughter, too. And the youngest - from 14 years old smokes. They didn’t beat her, they explained to her, talked, convinced her - it was useless! And what is the reason?
          5. a housewife
            a housewife 24 July 2016 13: 46
            0
            With smoke all the explanations are zero. In my family, neither mother nor sisters have ever smoked, dad smoked since he was 12, then at 38 he quit once and for all, he simply decided and quit. My stepfather smoked with my husband with might and main, my husband never smoked, not once. I do not smoke or smoke even once. The eldest daughter, too. And the youngest - from 14 years old smokes. They didn’t beat her, they explained to her, talked, convinced her - it was useless! And what is the reason?
        2. 34 region
          34 region 23 July 2016 09: 00
          0
          Serg65! 08.19. What do you mean divorced from historical roots?
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 23 July 2016 11: 05
            +6
            Quote: Region 34
            What do you mean divorced from historical roots?

            Father is the head of the family, not mother but FATHER! Leadership gives more responsibilities than privileges. It is the father who must support the family, make decisions concerning the family and be responsible for these decisions, there are a lot of these "must", and if the mother starts to do this, then the family will eventually burst at the seams. From my life experience, the generation raised by mothers began to come to the army and navy in the mid-80s, how many problems there were with them. At the same time, a committee of soldiers' mothers was created and mothers poured in with semolina in the unit ... why is my son sleeping on the second tier, and suddenly he falls and hurts his leg. And all because the fathers turned into daddies lying on the sofa ... Vasya, take out the trash, but yes, I’m already running lapusik! wassat
            1. Top5
              Top5 23 July 2016 21: 13
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              The father is the head of the family, not the mother but the FATHER!

              Yes you are a sexist
    2. atalef
      atalef 23 July 2016 10: 52
      -2
      Quote: sanyadzhan
      Juvenile justice implies a complete ban on raising children,

      belay
  4. Gunther
    Gunther 23 July 2016 06: 06
    +14
    Quote: Author
    "Juvenalka with a human face."

    A rabid rat cannot have a human face.
    Although I dislike G. Sterligov ("you can't wash a black dog white" ©), I fully support what he said about juvenile justice.
    PS
    One Marked ghoul, I remember talking about socialism with a "human face", good hopes, as you know, lead to hell.
    1. figwam
      figwam 23 July 2016 09: 31
      +7
      Yuvenalka - will be engaged in blackmailing parents, and even if a corrupt official gets into such a system, one can imagine how it can all end. This is just a serious step towards the destruction and erosion of the family.
  5. Riv
    Riv 23 July 2016 06: 21
    +14
    In my last article on this topic, I liked one comment: "What would happen in a Caucasian family if a child were taken from it?" And the situation by Russian standards would be paradoxical. A Chechen would not throw a dagger at bailiffs. He would say: "My son complained about me to the police ??? What a shame! Take this idiot away from me, he is not my son anymore."
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 23 July 2016 06: 49
      +8
      The fact is that in Europe for decades they killed the individual’s own thinking and his right to self-determination in matters of building his life. Therefore, if children are taken away from the herd under any far-fetched pretexts, then it (the herd) will take it for granted request
      Over the past ten years of the dashing 90s, it is impossible to rebuild the consciousness of as many people as Russia. But even now sprouts are emerging, coming from pro-Western senators, Duma thinkers, who, under the guise of universal values, are trying to cram Western social settings. What can lead to disaster And therefore, the power of a truly patriot of the country is needed, which will not allow perversions over society and will guard the principles of life in the country that have been sculpted for centuries. Without any juvenile, tolerance and worship of an alien country, taking into account the multinationality of the country soldier hi
      Personally, my opinion
      1. Riv
        Riv 23 July 2016 07: 17
        +8
        How could it be easier to explain? You see, the fact is that the procedure for depriving parents of their rights has not changed. It has not changed at all since the days of the USSR. And the last law, around which such a srach was divorced, only makes several short stories in the Criminal Code, highlighting a group of close people and determining a separate punishment for the beatings. There is not a word about orphanages, nor about Finnish homosexuals.
        But in fact, a battered child could sit earlier.
      2. Beaver
        Beaver 23 July 2016 07: 22
        +6
        Quote: Rurikovich
        need the power of a truly patriotic country
        good
        Quote: from article
        why, then, does any official / boss, endowed with at least a drop of power, go almost unpunished, as he wants, to people like you?

        Because we are "goyim" for him? repeat
        1. Riv
          Riv 23 July 2016 07: 34
          0
          Not. Because legal illiteracy. None of the raging commentators even imagine the option of protecting their rights and the rights of their child in court.
          1. 34 region
            34 region 23 July 2016 08: 18
            +3
            Reeve! 07.34. Judging by our media, there is no protection of their rights to the child. Or is it just abroad so? Will everything be different with us?
          2. Beaver
            Beaver 23 July 2016 08: 35
            +6
            Quote: Riv
            No. Because legal illiteracy.

            You want to show yourself as an intelligent person. Why then are you pretending that you do not understand that the world in which you (a lawyer) live is very different from the world in which the majority of ordinary, "legally illiterate" citizens of the Russian Federation live?
          3. alicante11
            alicante11 23 July 2016 09: 23
            +5
            Not. Because legal illiteracy. None of the raging commentators even imagine the option of protecting their rights and the rights of their child in court.


            I beg you, the probability of protecting your rights in court does not depend on your legal knowledge, but depends on two factors.
            1. How sympathetic the judge will be to your problem.
            (in this case, a decision may be made in favor of the plaintiff "due to his lack of legal education."
            2. How much you or the opposing party will be able to motivate the judge financially, acquaintance with him or his superiors.
            (in this case, your counterparts will explain that nothing appeals to them during the appeal, but you need to withdraw the money somewhere before the appeal).
            Of course, this does not mean that you do not need to defend your rights in court. But you should not overestimate this method of protection either.
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    3. alicante11
      alicante11 23 July 2016 07: 52
      +6
      He would say, "My son complained about me to the police ??? What a shame! Take this idiot away from me, he is no longer my son."


      What civilized and tolerant Chechens we have.
      1. Riv
        Riv 23 July 2016 08: 15
        +7
        ... and you can learn a lot from Russians.

        By the way, here is an example from our own teaching practice. Army, RMTO, we need to fix the fence around the unit. There is a welder, but he is firstly an Azerbaijani, and secondly: he is two months away from the order and he has already scored for service. What to do? We take a couple of spirits, we approach the Azer. "Ildar, you will soon be demobilized, there will be no welders left. Here are two gouging ones, teach them how to cook." You should have seen his eyes! He became a teacher. He was given people for whom he would be responsible and teach them the right business. Ten minutes later, he and the chief of the company went to the backyard, asking for electrodes and shields.

        Two weeks later, the fence was repaired, the welder was ready to replace, and even the welding transformer was squeezed into the company.
        1. Beaver
          Beaver 23 July 2016 08: 37
          +1
          Quote: Riv
          You can learn a lot from them.

          I would like more specifics.
          1. Riv
            Riv 23 July 2016 09: 04
            +2
            Collective responsibility in the family. Relation to the elders and the elderly. The ability to be responsible for their actions. What is characteristic: all this is laid in a person precisely from childhood.
            1. Beaver
              Beaver 23 July 2016 09: 25
              0
              Quote: Riv
              Collective responsibility in the family. Relation to the elders and the elderly. The ability to be responsible for their actions. What is characteristic: all this is laid in a person precisely from childhood.

              What for! good
              And what could other nations learn from the Russians? hi
              PS This is a simple question, without a shadow of sarcasm ets. Anyone can answer.
              1. Riv
                Riv 23 July 2016 09: 42
                -1
                And this is for the "other peoples" themselves and decide what, from whom and how to learn. Next is natural selection.

                An example is the Volga Bulgars. They taught them Russian lives, they taught ... but for some reason they did not want to learn. Then the Tatars came and where are those Bulgars now? How many are left? Darwin was a smart guy.
              2. atalef
                atalef 23 July 2016 09: 51
                0
                Quote: Castor
                Quote: Riv
                Collective responsibility in the family. Relation to the elders and the elderly. The ability to be responsible for their actions. What is characteristic: all this is laid in a person precisely from childhood.

                What for! good
                And what could other nations learn from the Russians? hi
                PS This is a simple question, without a shadow of sarcasm ets. Anyone can answer.

                Knowledge of statistics
                Therefore, this information is far from reflecting the real state of affairs. And yet, based on the summary figures of these statistics, we appeal to the number of about 1,5-2 million homeless and neglected. This is according to the accounts. But in fact, this figure is approaching 4 million. This situation, of course, and we must definitely say this, is no good, therefore the creation of a data bank is one of the primary issues that the Prosecutor General's Office has been asking the ministries for several years now, ” said earlier the Deputy Prosecutor General of Russia Sergei Fridinsky.
                More details: http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/55320

                for child crime, alcoholism and drug addiction yourself check?
                So returning to the question --- learn what?
                Quote: Castor
                PS This is a simple question, without a shadow of sarcasm ets. Anyone can answer.

                I answered, answer you
                1. Beaver
                  Beaver 23 July 2016 11: 32
                  0
                  Alexander, I didn’t drink with you on Brudershaft, maybe unfortunately. bully
                  Our army here is not a real one, so "poking" a junior in rank is somehow "not comme il faut". negative
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 23 July 2016 12: 16
                    +2
                    Quote: Castor
                    Alexander, I didn’t drink with you on Brudershaft, maybe unfortunately. bully
                    Our army here is not a real one, so "poking" a junior in rank is somehow "not comme il faut". negative

                    I have already written 1000 times, my appeal to YOU ​​in no way cancels my respect for my opponent. It's just that in Hebrew there is no appeal to you, for 23 years, weaned. Sorry hi
                    1. alicante11
                      alicante11 23 July 2016 13: 03
                      +1
                      I already wrote 1000 times, my appeal to YOU ​​in no way cancels my respect for my opponent. It's just that in Hebrew there is no appeal to you, for 23 of the year, weary. Sorry hi


                      But you are deceiving, Atalef.
                      I've just gone through your last comments, already 7 "you", not counting those that may have been written in a mock sense or plural.
                      You better explained to me in PM drinks
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 23 July 2016 09: 42
            +3
            I would like more specifics.


            For example, mutual assistance. Unfortunately, we have long lost this.
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 July 2016 10: 10
              0
              Quote: alicante11
              I would like more specifics.


              For example, mutual assistance. Unfortunately, we have long lost this.

              Learn what has long been lost? belay
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 23 July 2016 10: 53
                +1
                Learn what has long been lost? belay


                What's the problem? If you have forgotten how, you need to study again.
        2. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 23 July 2016 08: 50
          +5
          Quote: Riv
          ... and you can learn a lot from Russians.

          By the way, here is an example from our own teaching practice. Army, RMTO, we need to fix the fence around the unit. There is a welder, but he is firstly an Azerbaijani, and secondly: he is two months away from the order and he has already scored for service. What to do? We take a couple of spirits, we approach the Azer. "Ildar, you will soon be demobilized, there will be no welders left. Here are two gouging ones, teach them how to cook." You should have seen his eyes! He became a teacher. He was given people for whom he would be responsible and teach them the right business. Ten minutes later, he and the chief of the company went to the backyard, asking for electrodes and shields.

          Two weeks later, the fence was repaired, the welder was ready to replace, and even the welding transformer was squeezed into the company.

          What can I say? As always, everything is determined by an individual approach. Your non-trivial decision only emphasizes this. And how beautifully done! Without screaming and threats.
        3. alicante11
          alicante11 23 July 2016 09: 39
          +3
          Here, by the way, is an example from my own teaching practice.


          And here's another from "personal practice". At the training camp in the brigade (then) of the Railway Department, my classmate and I carry boiling water from the canteen. Before us is, as you put it, an "Azerbaijani", of course, demobilization, the rest were on field exercises, and these "served". Behind us is the regiment, the brigade commander. At the meeting, a "jacket", which, to his misfortune, decided to reprimand a soldier of Caucasian nationality for an abandoned cigarette butt (the joint, of course, is obvious, but the reaction is important). Having received the answer "I loved your mother ...", Leitekha precipitates. But the "comrade soldier" was also unlucky, because this "rebuke" was heard by the "polkan", who explained to the unconscious that it is impossible to talk to the elders like that with the help of a shoe in a gnawing way.

          In another brigade of the ZhDV, where my fellow student served after graduation, the "children of the mountains" refused to wash the floors, being day care workers, since this is "not a man's occupation."

          And I am also very sorry for those two "spirits" that you brought this welder. At that time I saw enough of the treatment of "Caucasians" with spirits.

          Although, of course, this is typical not only for Caucasians. After the gathering, some persons of quite Slavic appearance boasted that they also had time to "come off" on the perfumes, which were attached to them during the work. Although the "demobilization" served less than these "spirits".
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 23 July 2016 11: 21
            +7
            Quote: alicante11
            In another brigade of the ZhDV, where my fellow student served after graduation, the "children of the mountains" refused to wash the floors, being day care workers, since this is "not a man's occupation."

            laughing Painfully familiar picture, I had one "mountain eagle" who ignored a big tidy with the motivation that only fuckers wash the deck ... fighter, and who in your house washes the floors ... mom ... well, so you are a son losharks? Tell the whole crew that you are the son of a losharka? And that's it! Masha became his best friend laughing
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 23 July 2016 13: 04
              +2
              Serg65

              Cool, immediately visible army hardening :).
  6. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 23 July 2016 06: 42
    +3
    All our lives, families have been with belts and rods ... and lived normally ... grew up normal. Grandmother and great-grandmother told me .... a little something ... rods ... discipline in families was tough ... from childhood accustomed to work .. responsibility .... and there were no sissies ... but if you say a word across ..show you show ... everything ... you don’t sit down for a week ... And I was brought up almost like that ... and now I think ... that still they didn’t give me a belt. and now I’m watching ... how now the niece is brought up according to all the canons of juvenile ... all these psychologists and new methods .... it's tin ... absolutely naughty child. He brought his .. Russian example ... not Israeli.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 23 July 2016 07: 01
      +8
      It's not about cattails and whips with belts, but about flip flops and cuffs, shouting or being deprived of candy for dinner for offense. Thousands more reasons for "cruel treatment" with children will be invented. For juveniles, the law is not written, they come up with the rules for themselves. And these rules cannot be challenged in court. A father will not be able to raise a son who looks like himself or a hero grandfather, and a mother will not be able to instill in her daughter femininity and purity, respect for the family. Everything will follow a certain template invented by the enemies of Russian civilization for its own destruction.
      1. Riv
        Riv 23 July 2016 07: 27
        -1
        http://m.garant.ru/hotlaw/federal/776412/

        Here's a link to FZ 323. Look for the words "cruel treatment" there.

        Honestly, I am even ashamed to troll opponents of the juvenile system lately. It turns out sadly. They have never seen the law, but at the level of "one woman said" they believe everything. Just yesterday, a truth-fighter, at my suggestion, proved to himself that laws on the protection of children are really necessary.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 23 July 2016 09: 48
          +3
          Here's a link to FZ 323. Look for the words "cruel treatment" there.


          No, but "inflicting pain" is. How to measure it?
          The concept of "beatings" has not been specified. In the comments to the law, I saw the "norm" of 3 strokes, not 2 or 4, but three. For example, a "bang", which the father-in-law likes to use, if we are not around, is it "beatings" or not? Or a slap on the head, when you only touch your hair, is it "beatings"?
          However, I am not an opponent of this law, but it, as usual with us, is "raw", which means that it is conducive to abuse.
          1. Riv
            Riv 23 July 2016 18: 00
            0
            The law is crude? :) I understood a joke. Okay. Now there will be an educational program.

            Beating is a crime in which the immediate object of a crime is the bodily integrity of a person. The objective side of the crime is expressed in the infliction of many blows (beatings or other violent acts).

            Violence (as defined by WHO) is the deliberate use of physical force or power, actual or in the form of a threat, directed against oneself, against another person, group of persons or the community, which results (or there is a high degree of probability of this) bodily harm, death, psychological trauma, developmental disabilities or various kinds of damage.

            And there is the International Convention on the Rights of the Child (Google). Ratified by all countries of the world, except the USA. And since it has been ratified in Russia, now the legislation is being adapted to it (it’s a good thing to customize a little).

            In the end, it doesn’t matter what kind of force the blows were and what harm they did. All the same, it is violence and still it fits the article of the Criminal Code.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 24 July 2016 04: 24
              0
              Beating is a crime in which the immediate object of a crime is the bodily integrity of a person.


              Excuse me, what document can I refer to in this regard, if necessary? And then, I am afraid, in court, this comment will not play a role.

              The objective side of the crime is expressed in the infliction of many blows (beatings or other violent acts).


              How much to hang in grams (s). Multiple is how much? If you are hit in the face once, will this be considered a beating? And two, three, how much?

              Violence (as defined by WHO)


              Why are you doing this? Violent acts were, not violence. If you are a lawyer, you should feel the difference.

              In the end, it doesn’t matter what kind of force the blows were and what harm they did. All the same, it is violence and still it fits the article of the Criminal Code.


              This is bad, otherwise there will be a clever man who will call him beating simply if I gently patted the child through his hair. And what, there is a "blow". Or if he pulled it out from under the car, and it hurts, it means he is guilty. That's why I say, the law is crude and its enforcement is dangerous.
              1. Riv
                Riv 24 July 2016 10: 14
                0
                How it all starts ...
                For people like you, any law will be raw. Of course, until you find yourself in court as a defendant, or an accused. Then everything will be explained to you popularly in the sentence. And about how many times, and about what strength, and about smart people.
                :)
      2. Khariton
        Khariton 23 July 2016 07: 32
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        It's not about cattails and whips with belts, but about flip flops and cuffs, shouting or being deprived of candy for dinner for offense. Thousands more reasons for "cruel treatment" with children will be invented. For juveniles, the law is not written, they come up with the rules for themselves. And these rules cannot be challenged in court. A father will not be able to raise a son who looks like himself or a hero grandfather, and a mother will not be able to instill in her daughter femininity and purity, respect for the family. Everything will follow a certain template invented by the enemies of Russian civilization for its own destruction.

        Great comments from you, they’ll hit me right in the soul! Thanks, write more ..
  7. Aleksander
    Aleksander 23 July 2016 06: 44
    +12
    If there are services HELPING to the family, this is normal (like the author). If they replace the family and prevent it from raising, this is NOT normal.

    The article is a minus for the Postscript.
    1. AlexSK
      AlexSK 23 July 2016 10: 33
      0
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  8. Stinger
    Stinger 23 July 2016 06: 51
    +13
    Instead of introducing a juvenile fashionable among cretins, we would study the experience of Makarenko, who coped with complete scumbags and made people useful to society from them. Of course, he inspired them not with euro values, but with real human values, nobleness, dignity and honor. Through labor, not speculation with clothes.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 23 July 2016 07: 07
      +12
      Quote: Stinger
      would study the experience of Makarenko, who coped with complete scumbags

      Makarenko said that "there is no education without punishment." And why does everyone only talk about the belt? there are other ways to show that the child is “wrong”.
      1. Mik13
        Mik13 23 July 2016 07: 14
        +4
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: Stinger
        would study the experience of Makarenko, who coped with complete scumbags

        Makarenko said that "there is no education without punishment." And why does everyone only talk about the belt? there are other ways to show that the child is “wrong”.

        Because the main way of education is education by example. And with a belt - it's easier. So we get a picture when the "father" with a bottle of beer in his hand and a cigarette in his teeth with a belt explains to his son how harmful it is to drink and smoke ... And everyone knows about Makarenko, but no one has read, unfortunately ...
      2. Beaver
        Beaver 23 July 2016 07: 26
        +3
        Quote: Torah
        Prov.13: 25 He who pities his rod, he hates his son; and he who loves, from childhood punishes him.
      3. Riv
        Riv 23 July 2016 07: 29
        +8
        But punishment and beating are two different things, and you mix them.
        In addition, Makarenko said that it is possible to punish children, but not to humiliate them. We have few who understand the difference.
      4. Khariton
        Khariton 23 July 2016 07: 29
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        Quote: Stinger
        would study the experience of Makarenko, who coped with complete scumbags

        Makarenko said that "there is no education without punishment." And why does everyone only talk about the belt? there are other ways to show that the child is “wrong”.

        Here is Egoza, you remembered the Makarenko school in time! OUR great teacher was! Forgotten it now ... The leap of the USSR in the scientific and industrial sphere is also his merit! "Homeless" brought up according to the Makarenko system, created a great country .. Who does not know watch the film "Republic of SHKID" .. A strong film!
      5. 34 region
        34 region 23 July 2016 08: 30
        +1
        Fidget! 07.07. And in my opinion, the juvenile wants to prove that the parents are wrong. Why is everyone talking about the belt? And why at work they talk about punishment? Is this not violence and not a belt? In my opinion, the question is wider here. And far from the question of fathers and children. Here, from childhood, inspire, the environment is not credibility. Here are the organs (no matter what) they are on guard and right. The child grew up, the reflex remained. Just a little, a denunciation. Do not like the parent? Higher impossible. Taboo! Higher authority! Relatives of garbage! The main thing is power structures !!! Baby, baby! Everyone knows the reflex of Pavlov’s dog ?! This is from the same opera.
        1. atalef
          atalef 23 July 2016 08: 48
          -3
          Quote: Region 34
          Fidget! 07.07. And in my opinion, the juvenile wants to prove that the parents are wrong.

          Delirium
          Quote: Region 34
          Here, from childhood, inspire, the environment is not credibility

          No, here from childhood they educate that a person has rights and his own opinion.
          Quote: Region 34
          The child grew up, the reflex remained. Just a little denunciation

          The same nonsense, informers do not like anywhere
          Quote: Region 34
          Higher authority!

          If he is honored, then yes, and only because he is superior - no, not authority.
          Quote: Region 34
          Relatives of garbage

          Same nonsense
          1. 34 region
            34 region 23 July 2016 09: 42
            +2
            Atalef! 08.48. What is the nonsense that the juvenile proves the parents are wrong? Can't parents prove anything? What is the opinion of capitalism? Retirement age raised despite protests. What then are protesting against? They do not like informers, but they cultivate them. How is it in Israel with denunciations of colleagues and neighbors? What is the measure of well-deserved authority? Forbes magazine, executive car, bank account, what? If you knock on relatives, it turns out the norm. And juvenile provides for just that. Where is the nonsense?
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 July 2016 10: 17
              +1
              Quote: Region 34
              Atalef! 08.48. What is the nonsense that the juvenile proves the parents are wrong?

              All parents, or cases that she deals with?
              Quote: Region 34
              Can't parents prove anything?

              i.e.?
              First of all, juvenile parents have the highest priority, but to say that parents are always right is silly
              Quote: Region 34
              What is the opinion of capitalism? Retirement age raised despite protests

              We raised the same thing and we protested the same
              Quote: Region 34
              They do not like informers, but they cultivate them.

              How ?
              Quote: Region 34
              How is it in Israel with denunciations of colleagues and neighbors?

              Like everywhere.
              Quote: Region 34
              What is the measure of well-deserved authority? Forbes magazine, executive car, bank account, what?

              A strange question, authority is deserved, how can you even force me to respect someone by force? Authority and respect is a personal decision of each individual person.
              Quote: Region 34
              If you knock on relatives, it turns out the norm. And juvenile provides for just that. Where is the nonsense?

              What a messy set of words?
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 23 July 2016 09: 56
            +3
            And in my opinion, the juvenile wants to prove that the parents are wrong.
            Delirium


            Well, well, I brought the links above to the Israeli juvenile. Of course, this is also "nonsense" and "slander" against the best state in the world.

            No, here from childhood they educate that a person has rights and his own opinion.


            Yeah, that's why EVERYONE, even women, is obliged to serve in the army. In this case, the individual’s opinion is somehow not interested. Although, of course, all Jews without exception want to serve in the army, they have been brought up to this since childhood.

            The same nonsense, informers do not like anywhere


            Except the KGB :).
            And also "Stasi", the Mossad, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and social workers.

            If he is honored, then yes, and only because he is superior - no, not authority.


            It is difficult to argue, but in order to "earn" authority, one must at least somehow hold out until then. And this requires rules, in relation to the situation that the parent's word is law. At least until proven otherwise.
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 July 2016 10: 25
              +1
              Quote: alicante11
              Well, well, I brought the links above to the Israeli juvenile. Of course, this is also "nonsense" and "slander" against the best state in the world.

              Read my comment, I wrote that problems exist - but the pluses (in my understanding) exceed the minuses
              Quote: alicante11
              Yeah, that's why EVERYONE, even women, is obliged to serve in the army. In this case, the individual’s opinion is somehow not interested.

              Some kind of stupid substitution of concepts - between opinion, duty and responsibility.
              The thief has the same opinion about thefts, does not coincide with the concept of the state in this regard

              Quote: alicante11
              Although, of course, all Jews without exception want to serve in the army, they have been brought up to this since childhood.

              Anyone who wants to slope - there is no problem. But the fact remains - they want to serve and go to the army with desire (girls including)
              Quote: alicante11
              Except the KGB :).
              And also "Stasi", the Mossad, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and social workers.

              request
              Quote: alicante11
              It is difficult to argue, but in order to "earn" authority, one must at least somehow hold out until then. And for this you need rules, in relation to the situation that the parent's word is law

              Well, children are not born adults, time is enough to earn authority, and you won’t earn - when a child is 14 years old, cram your
              Quote: alicante11
              that the parent’s word is law.

              in one interesting place, or they cram you laughing
              Quote: alicante11
              At least the opposite has not yet been proved.

              And who should prove?
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 23 July 2016 11: 21
                +4
                Read my comment, I wrote that problems exist - but the pluses (in my understanding) exceed the minuses


                Well, that's what you think. Then do not rush the words "delirium". "Goyim" also have the right to their opinion, although they have not been taught this since childhood :).

                Some kind of stupid substitution of concepts - between opinion, duty and responsibility.


                Yes, there is no substitution.
                You said that you "educate your opinion and that they have the right." And it turns out that they have no right not to serve. And responsibility both over rights and over opinion prevails.
                In principle, this is just right, responsibility should always be above rights. You just say something completely different.

                Anyone who wants to slope - there is no problem. But the fact remains - they want to serve and go to the army with desire (girls including)


                Why "mow"? And not just say I DO NOT WANT, this is my right and my opinion. And then live with your head held high. I am not saying that this is correct, but it follows from your words.

                Well, children are not born adults, time is enough to earn authority, and you won’t earn - when a child is 14 years old, cram your


                Not early? By the age of 14, the child has not yet reached your level either physically or mentally, so that you cannot confirm the "legitimacy" of your word. Most importantly, the child has no life experience yet, so even if he has a sharp mind, he is still not deep. But at the same time, he believes that he can "challenge". And in this, in challenging him, juvenile justice helps. Not being able to insist on his own, either physically or mentally, I will add, not financially, the child will follow the parent's word and will not do anything stupid, and if a juvenile "helps" him?

                And who should prove?


                A life. But for this it is necessary that both the child and the parent become one level in all respects. What happens is clearly not in 14 years.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 23 July 2016 12: 27
                  -1
                  Quote: alicante11
                  Well, that's what you think. Then do not rush the words "delirium"

                  Can, why not? It's my opinion
                  Quote: alicante11
                  "Goyim" also have the right to their opinion,

                  You can call yourself what you like
                  Quote: alicante11
                  even though they haven’t been taught this since childhood :).

                  Did your parents not teach you to have an opinion?
                  Quote: alicante11
                  You said that you "educate your opinion and that they have the right." And it turns out that they have no right not to serve.

                  Baby talk.
                  Do not understand the differences between - to have the right to own opinion and to have the rights and obligations of a citizen - are you sure that
                  Quote: alicante11
                  Then do not rush the words "delirium"

                  it's still nonsense
                  Quote: alicante11
                  why "mow"? And not just say I DO NOT WANT, this is my right and my opinion.

                  You can of course. Just sit down.
                  You can also say that robbing is my right and my opinion - and the same oddly enough you sit down laughing
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 23 July 2016 13: 13
                    0
                    Can, why not? It's my opinion


                    If this is "your opinion", and not a fact, then this is already an insult. Can't you find it? Or is your opinion different :)?

                    You can call yourself what you like


                    Yes, I'm kidding, nagging.

                    Did your parents not teach you to have an opinion?


                    Yes, they taught me, and then my mother tried to "turn back", there were too many opinions. It is clear that it did not work out, but, again, it is clear that in many ways she was right, because many stupid things could have been avoided.

                    Baby talk.
                    Do not understand the differences between - to have the right to own opinion and to have the rights and obligations of a citizen - are you sure that


                    Do not get out. There are rights И own opinion, not right to own opinion.

                    it's still nonsense


                    When they say "bird" without justification - this is EXACTLY nonsense. Let's agree on this :)?

                    You can of course. Just sit down.
                    You can also say that robbing is my right and my opinion - and the same oddly enough you sit down


                    So who argues, but it's not me who says that we are taught rights and opinions. Although they are already starting too, although it is necessary to start just with duties and responsibilities. And then about rights. And add that YOUR right is limited to ALIEN rights. That's what I am attached to you.
                2. atalef
                  atalef 23 July 2016 12: 27
                  -1
                  Quote: alicante11
                  I am not saying that this is correct, but it follows from your words.

                  What about the concept of reading? Wrote writing in childhood? wink And How?
                  Quote: alicante11
                  Not early?

                  nope, late
                  Quote: alicante11
                  By the age of 14, the child still neither physically nor mentally reaches your level, so that you cannot confirm the "legitimacy" of your word

                  And the meme does not need to be confirmed - he has confidence.
                  And 90% of education is laid before 7 years
                  Quote: alicante11
                  ... Most importantly, the child has no life experience yet, so even if he has a sharp mind, he is still not deep. But at the same time, he believes that he can "challenge".

                  Because I'm sure - and you think that you will bring up or convince with a belt?
                  Quote: alicante11
                  And in this, in challenging him, juvenile justice helps. Not being able to insist on his own, either physically or mentally, I will add, not financially, the child will follow the parent's word and will not do anything stupid, and if a juvenile "helps" him?

                  Well, of course, you don’t even know what a juvenile is, I’ve been living in this for 23 years, raised 3 children - but nevertheless you tell me what and how laughing
                  Not self-confident? wink
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 23 July 2016 13: 24
                    0
                    What about the concept of reading? Wrote writing in childhood? wink and how?


                    According to the presentation has always been 5. According to the works, there was one deuce when he wrote that the poets of the Silver Age deserved their problems with the Soviet regime, and everything was fine too.

                    nope, late


                    Early at this age there is still no experience, and without it even a clever person can do stupid things.

                    And the meme does not need to be confirmed - he has confidence.


                    Confidence that your word is law?

                    And 90% of education is laid before 7 years


                    Well, not 90, but most. Then you have to adjust.

                    Because I'm sure - and you think that you will bring up or convince with a belt?


                    Of course not. A belt for another case, if it creeps into the outlet and does not respond to warnings. If anything, I'm figurative.
                    I'm talking about something else. A juvenile gives an opportunity for an ignoramus to "defeat" a parent, free himself from his power and do something stupid. My first link just with sandwiches is a good example.

                    Not self-confident? wink


                    No, I don't know what kind of juvenile you have. But I know very well our legal system and what it can turn into here. Although, I think (NOT SURE, but THINK) that you just did not run into your juvenile. It so happens that you pass by trouble. When I was young, I was drunk with the boys. that I was going "to the district", which was the most criminal, it was in the 90s. I went and passed, and in the morning I learned that there at about the same time the peasant had been slaughtered. Fate.
  9. Khariton
    Khariton 23 July 2016 06: 53
    +10
    Forever we try to copy the west ... Then we burn ourselves! It would be better if the death penalty was introduced for all pedophiles and maniacs ...
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 23 July 2016 07: 07
      0
      Quote: Chariton
      It would be better if the death penalty was introduced for all pedophiles and maniacs ...
      Come on! By the way, do you know how many people were shot in the "Chikatilo case" while the maniac was caught? Ask at your leisure. And at the same time you can find out how those who brought knowingly innocent people to execution were punished in order to "solve the case" as soon as possible.

      As I understand it, over the course of 30 years, our law enforcement agencies have become much more professional, and the stories about champagne bottles and other gas masks and plastic bags are all slander and slander of damned human rights defenders. They undermine, bastards, the foundations of the state with their human rights. Destroy the millennium. Whether it is the case under the Emperor Emperor - just that - on the rack, we will figure it out. And the disclosure was hoo ...
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 23 July 2016 07: 17
        +1
        Quote: Mik13
        Come on! By the way, do you know how many people were shot in the "Chikatilo case" while the maniac was caught?

        I know .... But it was cleaner in society than now! It’s scary to let your child out onto the street and on the Internet especially .. God forbid I kill and sit down!
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 23 July 2016 10: 01
          +3
          But still it was cleaner in society than it is now! It’s scary to let a child out on the street and on the Internet especially.


          Because before the child only physical violence from inadequacy threatened, and there are few of them. And now, for example, there is a market for organs, porn industry, etc., all these people are quite adequate and this is a way of making money for them. Those. the fault is money.
  10. Tihas
    Tihas 23 July 2016 07: 06
    +20
    The author slowly opens the "Overton windows".
    1. Tight control over social welfare services by the executive and the judiciary.
    Yes, of course, in Russia everyone knows about the inevitability of punishment.
    2. The absolute absence of orphanages, which makes it impossible to turn the system of weaning children into "business".
    Problem family - child - social worker - foster family. Only I saw how to organize a gesheft? All Finns with taxes have already been put on stream.
    3. The right of a family falling into the field of vision of social services is to demand a change in the social worker who oversees their case, while feeling prejudiced.
    When a child is taken away from you, you will directly divide social workers into good and evil. I won’t give it to him, but to this with joy.
    4. The legislative order to social services to make every effort to preserve the integrity of the family and a wide range of instruments of assistance, including financial "for the needs of the child" for poor families. And also the duty to take into account the opinion of the child.
    First, what is stopping you now from paying the poor? Where will the money come from after the introduction of the juvenile?
    Second, Oh! freebie. Why work, it’s better to get benefits. Negroes in America applaud you.
    Third, how can a child abandon a mother? Even if he refuses, it is a psychological deformation for life. He will never become a full-fledged person, he will never become a normal father or mother.
    5. Judicial practice of non-deprivation of parental rights, except in cases of causing serious harm to the child. Even in the case of alcoholics and drug addicts, deprivation is temporary, until rehabilitation.
    So it already is.

    The introduction of juveniles will not solve a single child problem that cannot be solved with the help of existing laws.
    The problem lies in the plane of morality and morality of our society. The family, as a unit of this society, has all the same problems.
    It is necessary to educate parents. And to love children.

    Without love everything is nothing
    Justice without love makes a man cruel
    Responsibility without love makes a person unceremonious.
    Truth without love makes a man a critic
    A mind without love makes a person cunning
    Friendliness without love makes a person hypocritical
    Competence without love makes a person unyielding
    Power without love makes a man a tyrant
    Honor without love makes a man arrogant
    Commitment without love makes a person irritable
    Wealth without love makes a man greedy
    Faith without love makes a man a fanatic

    I will add from myself. Punishment without love is violence.
    1. Hammer
      Hammer 23 July 2016 08: 24
      -2
      And where is the "overtone window" here? The author has listed what needs to be done to make the juvinal work. But you have vanilla quotes from VKontakte, I see.
      Punishment without love - violence

      That is, violence with love - education, care, encouragement? BDSMs and pedophiles breathed a sigh of relief
      1. Tihas
        Tihas 23 July 2016 10: 15
        +3
        First, Overton's Windows as an example of cannibalism, find similarities in technology with this article yourself: http://salahbekov.livejournal.com/780973.html
        Second, I love children, I never punished my physically and morally did not humiliate. For me, this is a personal attitude, not quotes from social networks. If cho, I'm already a grandfather.
        Third, you confuse Love and sexual pleasure. However, for a person thinking with quotes from social networks, this is not surprising.
        P.S. I didn’t give you an estimate.
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 23 July 2016 10: 04
      +4
      First, what is stopping you now from paying the poor?


      Many "stupidly" swell. And you can't put an "inspector" on everyone to make sure that the funds are spent correctly. And in general, we give birth to children for ourselves, and not for the state. And the less it "cares" about us, the less it has the right to interfere in family affairs.
      1. atalef
        atalef 23 July 2016 10: 56
        -1
        Quote: alicante11
        And in general, we give birth to children for ourselves, and not for the state

        And so we have the right to do whatever we want? belay
        Quote: alicante11
        And the less it "cares" about us, the less it has the right to interfere in family affairs.

        Strange statement
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 23 July 2016 13: 27
          0
          And so we have the right to do whatever we want? belay


          This is where I said that? I'm actually talking about payments for children.

          Strange statement


          Do you have all the rules with logic? If they give me money, then I have to report for them. And if I do not take money, then I should not report to anyone.
    3. You Vlad
      You Vlad 23 July 2016 10: 35
      0
      I fit into every word! hi
  11. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 23 July 2016 07: 10
    +14
    Dear comrades !!! If anyone offended, dear gentlemen !!! What you don’t see is an unreal story, it is an order written by a mediocre psychologist! We are drawn into the discussion of juvenile justice, we are drawn into the juvenile justice !!! Cosmopolitan liberals have come up with yet another way to press Russia to the nail - to take away our children from us, to make them irresponsible consumers who spit on the country, parents around them.
    1. Riv
      Riv 23 July 2016 07: 32
      0
      Why is it so unreal? It was exactly the same in the USSR. Replace "psychologist" with "juvenile inspector" - and everything is one to one.
      1. Valery Valery
        Valery Valery 23 July 2016 09: 40
        +1
        Norwegian shooter Anders Behring Breivik is not a maniac, not a "chikatilo", he killed people not for pleasure, but to indicate, to draw attention to the problem that worries him. He called his actions "terrible, but necessary."

        Anders Breivik - THE MOST BRIGHT EXAMPLE OF JUVINAL JUSTICE !!!!
    2. Wolverine
      Wolverine 23 July 2016 09: 49
      +1
      Here he is the cry of the soul, catch the plus ...
  12. lwxx
    lwxx 23 July 2016 07: 10
    -1
    What kind of nonsense? Is there a personal psychologist in the Soviet family, the police? Author, where did you grow up at all?
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 23 July 2016 07: 18
      +3
      Quote: lwxx
      What kind of nonsense? Is there a personal psychologist in the Soviet family, the police? Author, where did you grow up at all?

      FUCK ...
      The author grew up in a country where, before commenting, they carefully read the article. In order not to look like a totem animal of the zodiac circle, which lives in the ecliptic sector 0 ° -30 ° from the vernal equinox.
      1. lwxx
        lwxx 23 July 2016 07: 50
        +4
        I read the article. And the projection of the Soviet system of upbringing, even after moving., On our reality is not worth it. If the author continued to live in the USSR, then another matter. And then I began to dope in the union, but they were already healing over the hill. I ask where I grew up? So write born in union, grew up in Israel.
    2. pafegosoff
      pafegosoff 23 July 2016 08: 01
      +4
      In Russia today, psychologists have divorced lawyers ... and work needs to be loaded.
      So they push all crap.
      And the author along the way is a typical Israeli citizen. He also graduated as a psychologist or a lawyer. "And where to find all the teeth? This means unemployment!" (Vysotsky). In general, the author decided to look for a job in Russia. And further on ...
  13. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 23 July 2016 07: 21
    +8
    Quote: Mik13
    Quote: Egoza
    Quote: Stinger
    would study the experience of Makarenko, who coped with complete scumbags

    Makarenko said that "there is no education without punishment." And why does everyone only talk about the belt? there are other ways to show that the child is “wrong”.

    Because the main way of education is education by example. And with a belt - it's easier. So we get a picture when the "father" with a bottle of beer in his hand and a cigarette in his teeth with a belt explains to his son how harmful it is to drink and smoke ... And everyone knows about Makarenko, but no one has read, unfortunately ...

    In fact, the turning point in the educational process for Makarenko came when he prescribed some kind of healthy forehead for Lyuli. After that, they began to respect him.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 23 July 2016 07: 50
      +4
      Quote: S_Baykala
      In fact, the turning point in the educational process for Makarenko came when he prescribed some kind of healthy forehead for Lyuli. After that, they began to respect him.

      It really works ... (the former teacher himself)))) In general, there are not enough men in schools (low wages, not all of course) It’s necessary to attract men to schools, especially former military retirees, personnel officers (and w Relevant) How many years have passed, and I remember the teacher of the NVP (initial military training ..) The teacher was the center in the school! Garkushin surname ... Us gouging drove clearly! laughing hi He died early ... (His kingdom be to him)
      1. atalef
        atalef 23 July 2016 08: 50
        -2
        Quote: Chariton
        It really works ... (former teacher himself))

        belay . oh well, you're driving.
        Quote: Chariton
        It is necessary to attract men to schools, especially former military retirees, personnel officers (and s / n must be appropriate)

        laughing
      2. Gabor
        Gabor 23 July 2016 09: 10
        0
        Quote: Chariton
        (former teacher himself)
        Poor kids..
        It seems that the main reason for such a deplorable state of Russian secondary education has been found. As Starostin said, "When hairdressers start to lead football, then football fields become bald."
        If Mikheans are at school, then this is the land - the land itself ..
        Quote: Chariton
        Gouging us clearly drove!
        I drove, drove, but until the end, as we see, not ..
        1. Khariton
          Khariton 23 July 2016 09: 30
          +3
          Quote: Gabor
          Quote: Chariton
          (former teacher himself)
          Poor kids..
          It seems that the main reason for such a deplorable state of Russian secondary education has been found. As Starostin said, "When hairdressers start to lead football, then football fields become bald."
          If Mikheans are at school, then this is the land - the land itself ..
          Quote: Chariton
          Gouging us clearly drove!
          I drove, drove, but until the end, as we see, not ..

          When criticism comes from people like you, it’s easier for me! Thank you and my minus from the bottom of my heart!
          PS /. I worked at school for two years (my first higher and main education). They praised me, but paid little .. So I think, maybe come back?
          1. Gabor
            Gabor 23 July 2016 12: 26
            -1
            Quote: Chariton
            When criticism comes from people like you, it’s easier for me!
            I mean, if only it was easier for your students .. Just what can a "teacher" give the children whose level of thinking, knowledge and logic is at the level, if not lower than the students themselves ?! On top of that, he is still a stubborn hurray-patriot ..
            Quote: Chariton
            Thank you and my minus from the bottom of my heart!
            Please always contact if thathi
            Quote: Chariton
            my first higher and main education
            It would be chief I wouldn’t leave school ..
            Quote: Chariton
            So I think maybe return?
            Don't threaten! Children are sacred. Here at the Military Review, even patriotic moderators ban you - there is an opportunity ..
            And disenfranchised students, where to go ..
            PS. You don’t even catch up with Mikhan, that you already got the moderators - guards of the current regime ..
            With your cheering patriotic nonsense, you simply expose in caricature the very image of a patriot-statesman of Russia.
            And if you bring out a collective image of a cap-hat artist, then I congratulate you - you are the first candidate, at least write cartoons from you ..
  14. Doppelgänger
    Doppelgänger 23 July 2016 07: 28
    +10
    The key phrase in this article is "juvenile laws in Russia will do more harm .." In my opinion, nonsense is utter (I did not punish my son with a belt, I generally keep quiet about my daughter), but sometimes a slap "on the bottom" works wonders))) You will look around that Teachers are afraid to reprimand the student (parents immediately run to the director, but how could their child be morally humiliated, fucking. Children, what literate people threaten the teachers with the courts) Obviously, the state has failed in full. Now it’s also They climb into the family. First, do not punish children, then show tolerance ... After all, it can be seen that EVERYTHING (and most importantly the most shit ... new) is copied from the West, and we eat it all, swearing in kitchens. The question is, who benefits from it, me, you, the children?
    1. atalef
      atalef 23 July 2016 08: 19
      -2
      Quote: Doppelgänger
      ) Do you look around what is happening in schools? Teachers are afraid to make a remark to the student (parents immediately run to the director, but how can their child be morally humiliated, get fucked

      I don’t know, my daughter is studying in a private school, not at all cheap - but, for the slightest violation of the discipline of parents in school and on the carpet, and the child is suspended or transferred to a parallel class for a day or two.
      I do not like it - goodbye, there is a line for admission outside the gate.
      Yes, no one humiliates children, God forbid, does not hit - but this does not say that they are not punished at all.
      Further, the child has the right to vote, and rightly so - but no one says that this right is decisive.
      Quote: Doppelgänger
      .Children, what diplomas, courts threaten teachers)

      I don’t know, the older one has learned, the middle one has learned, now the younger one is studying - I have not heard.
      Of course I am sure that the students say this, but I have not heard any court cases.
      Quote: Doppelgänger
      Now they’re also climbing into the family

      There are such families - you have to go into - if you don’t want to get a bandit through 10 for years
      Quote: Doppelgänger
      The question is, who benefits from this? Me? You? Children?

      Any idea can be brought to the point of absurdity.
      Maybe the problem is not in the idea itself, but in implementation methods?
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 23 July 2016 08: 35
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        I don’t know, my daughter is studying in a private school, not at all cheap - but, for the slightest violation of the discipline of parents in school and on the carpet, and the child is suspended or transferred to a parallel class for a day or two.
        I do not like it - goodbye, there is a line for admission outside the gate.
        Yes, no one humiliates children, God forbid, does not hit - but this does not say that they are not punished at all.
        Further, the child has the right to vote, and rightly so - but no one says that this right is decisive.

        Atalef Russia is not Israel ... We have different values ​​and style of education ..
        And what is happening now is called "undermining Russia" from the inside .. It's like "jeans and sausage .." you need to try to understand .. hi Nothing will work out for you ..!
        1. atalef
          atalef 23 July 2016 08: 42
          -2
          Quote: Chariton
          Atalef Russia is not Israel ... We have different values ​​and style of education ..

          Values? I think they are all the same.
          Parenting style? this is evaluated according to one very simple criterion - the level of child crime.
          Quote: Chariton
          And what is happening now is called "undermining Russia" from the inside

          What? Just come on specifically.
          Quote: Chariton
          You will not succeed.

          Yes, I’m generally on the drum.
          If the whole conversation comes down - you can (and should) beat the children or not - then there’s nothing to discuss.
          1. Beaver
            Beaver 23 July 2016 09: 09
            +4
            Quote: atalef
            Parenting style? this is evaluated by one very simple criterion

            We have another criterion, a difficult one - the ability of the people to withstand external aggression.
            Quote: atalef
            If the whole conversation comes down - you can (and should) beat the children or not - then there’s nothing to discuss.

            And you do not discuss, you indicate your position. Better yet, justify.
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 July 2016 09: 38
              -2
              Quote: Castor
              We have another criterion, a difficult one - the ability of the people to withstand external aggression.

              Well, of course, it’s easier to fight NATO - than to reduce domestic violence, the number of orphans, child crime, alcoholism and drug addiction

              Quote: Castor
              And you do not discuss, you indicate your position. Better yet, justify

              Father flogged me, on business and without work. I didn’t feel anything but hatred for him.
              I don’t want my children to feel the same way about me.
              Have I explained it clearly enough?
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 23 July 2016 11: 31
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                Father flogged me, on business and without causes. I didn’t feel anything but hatred for him.

                Well, that’s the whole reason for your conclusions
                1. atalef
                  atalef 23 July 2016 12: 28
                  0
                  Quote: Serg65
                  Quote: atalef
                  Father flogged me, on business and without causes. I didn’t feel anything but hatred for him.

                  Well, that’s the whole reason for your conclusions

                  Well, he was sure that the case.
                  My firm conviction is that children should not be beaten.
                  Including on the basis of their experience.
                  1. Beaver
                    Beaver 23 July 2016 15: 28
                    0
                    Quote: atalef
                    My firm conviction is that children should not be beaten.

                    If you were able to bring up worthy people without departing from your conviction, take off my hat and see no reason to convince you. hi
          2. Khariton
            Khariton 23 July 2016 09: 22
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: Chariton
            Atalef Russia is not Israel ... We have different values ​​and style of education ..

            Values? I think they are all the same.
            Parenting style? this is evaluated according to one very simple criterion - the level of child crime.
            Quote: Chariton
            And what is happening now is called "undermining Russia" from the inside

            What? Just come on specifically.
            Quote: Chariton
            You will not succeed.

            Yes, I’m generally on the drum.
            If the whole conversation comes down - you can (and should) beat the children or not - then there’s nothing to discuss.

            Here is the Israeli style .. They put everything on the shelves and you will not quibble! But the soul remains a bad sediment .. They write cynically and high .. There are no souls in such comments (Atalef, really do not be offended ..)
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 July 2016 09: 54
              -1
              Quote: Chariton
              Here is the Israeli style .. They put everything on the shelves and you will not quibble! And the soul remains a bad sediment, They write cynically and with high

              It is logical (and not cynical), but with high? Meehan, your complex is not full?

              Quote: Chariton
              There are no souls in such comments (Atalef, though do not be offended ..)

              This is due to juvenile laughing
              1. Khariton
                Khariton 23 July 2016 11: 05
                0
                Quote: atalef
                Quote: Chariton
                Here is the Israeli style .. They put everything on the shelves and you will not quibble! And the soul remains a bad sediment, They write cynically and with high

                It is logical (and not cynical), but with high? Meehan, your complex is not full?

                Quote: Chariton
                There are no souls in such comments (Atalef, though do not be offended ..)

                This is due to juvenile laughing

                I advise you to shut up .. Bye! Your essence is two-faced ... Or your gang collects Old, who is against the site? bully We will educate our children, as the soul tells us! They all grow up mysterious and unpredictable ... These are the things in the armored forces in the west ...!
                1. atalef
                  atalef 23 July 2016 12: 30
                  0
                  Quote: Chariton
                  I advise you to shut up .. Bye! The essence of your two-faced ... Or your gang collects Old,who is against the site?

                  Come on Meehan, everyone knows you for sure.
                  But you are always FOR laughing

                  Quote: Chariton
                  We will educate our children, as the soul tells us! They will all grow mysterious and unpredictable.

                  and good. laughing
          3. 34 region
            34 region 23 July 2016 09: 50
            +3
            Atalef! 08.42. The question is not about beating children. The question is pressure on parents by children.
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 July 2016 10: 30
              0
              Quote: 34 region
              Atalef! 08.42. The question is not about beating children. The question is pressure on parents by children.

              Well, I don’t know, we have a juvenile, as it didn’t feel pressure (for 23 years).
              You know, I’ve heard more than once that in Russia there were cases that children intimidated (especially stepfathers), that they complained that he was a pedophile and dozens of people fell under investigation, often from scratch.
              Now the question is, do you forbid children to complain about pedophiles at all, or is there a problem in the investigating authorities or in parenting?
              There are no absolute formulas and perfect laws - everywhere and in any situation, the guilty person may suffer as well - therefore, the main thing in control and understanding is that the advantages of the law exceed its disadvantages
              1. Beaver
                Beaver 23 July 2016 11: 53
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                the pros of the law exceed its cons

                That's just the point, we have "the law - that the tongue." Therefore, the concerns are not caused by the "disadvantages" of the law, but by how in practice it will be applied and interpreted. And the first results are far from encouraging. recourse
                1. atalef
                  atalef 23 July 2016 12: 31
                  0
                  Quote: Castor
                  That's just the point, we have "the law - that the tongue." Therefore, the concerns are not caused by the "minuses" of the law, but by how in practice it will be applied and interpreted

                  So this is probably a problem not of the law, but of performers - and performers - who is this at all? Aliens, or Russians?
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 23 July 2016 14: 25
                    +1
                    Aliens, or Russians?


                    Both Russians and Jews. I didn’t deny the problems with the juvenile, I just didn’t touch you.
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 23 July 2016 14: 29
                      0
                      Quote: alicante11
                      Aliens, or Russians?


                      Both Russians and Jews. I didn’t deny the problems with the juvenile, I just didn’t touch you.

                      Do not distort, I said that the pros (in my opinion) exceed the cons, and there are no ideal laws.
                      By the way, the juvenile didn’t touch you either, you don’t have it at all (yet) nevertheless you prove as an expert that you didn’t see and don’t know the person who raised and taught 3 children in this system.
                      1. alicante11
                        alicante11 23 July 2016 14: 56
                        +1
                        Do not distort, I said that the pros (in my opinion) exceed the cons


                        Why am I distorting? Cons or problems, does it matter? There is, after all. Well, what outweighs - it tastes and color, well, and how lucky.
                  2. Beaver
                    Beaver 23 July 2016 15: 11
                    +1
                    Quote: atalef
                    and the performers are who?

                    Do you know - Zhirinovsky’s mother is Russian, and father is a lawyer? crying
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 23 July 2016 10: 12
        +4
        I don’t know, my daughter is studying in a private school, not cheap at all - but


        Perhaps that is why they can maintain the discipline that the school is private and not cheap. Although I doubt that the "expensive" school is usually attended by children of "expensive parents". Well, about teachers in ordinary Jewish schools, one can speak of completely powerless people. According to the "Russian Jewess" who could not work there and returned. Although, of course, it was she who slandered out of revenge.

        There are such families - you have to go into - if you don’t want to get a bandit through 10 for years


        And who will determine which one needs to climb and which one is "not needed"?
        Previously, this was done by the school and the pioneer organization. And they decided and "climbed" and further promoted to the "children's room of the police". But even they could not remove the child from the family.

        Any idea can be brought to the point of absurdity.


        And it is possible before a commercially successful project. Somehow this is more feared now.
        1. atalef
          atalef 23 July 2016 11: 05
          -2
          Quote: alicante11
          Perhaps that is why they can maintain the discipline that the school is private and not cheap.

          I do not understand, the elder son and daughter studied in ordinary schools - school as a school.
          Quote: alicante11
          Although I doubt that the "expensive" school is usually attended by children of "expensive parents".

          You doubt what?
          Quote: alicante11
          Well, you can talk about teachers in ordinary Jewish schools as completely disenfranchised people.

          Yes ? belay
          Quote: alicante11
          According to the "Russian Jewess" who could not work there and returned.

          Of course, everything is bad (it’s necessary to work) - why did she return then laughing
          Quote: alicante11
          And who will determine which one needs to climb and which one is "not needed"?

          Is it hard to determine?
          That is why it is neither to me nor to my sister. none of my friends did not climb.
          It’s strange. why?
          Quote: alicante11
          Previously, this was done by the school and the pioneer organization. And they decided and "climbed" and further promoted to the "children's room of the police". But even they could not remove the child from the family.

          Well, of course, no one heard about the deprivation of parental rights during the USSR. did not know about orphans, orphanages and boarding schools - did not exist.
          Quote: alicante11
          And it is possible before a commercially successful project. Somehow this is more feared now.

          Well, this is your problem.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 23 July 2016 11: 35
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Well, of course, no one heard about the deprivation of parental rights during the USSR. did not know about orphans, orphanages and boarding schools - did not exist.

            And no one denies this, but this happened, including because of this
            Quote: atalef
            Father flogged me, on business and without work. I didn’t feel anything but hatred for him.
            1. Khariton
              Khariton 23 July 2016 11: 50
              0
              They didn’t beat me ... But they constantly threatened me ..))) I don’t beat mine either .. But if anything, I’ll kill you! hi
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 23 July 2016 13: 34
            0
            I do not understand, the elder son and daughter studied in ordinary schools - school as a school.


            Well, you yourself started about a private school, it’s not me who pulled you by the tongue.

            You doubt what?


            That discipline is supported as you say.

            Of course, everything is bad (it’s necessary to work) - why then, she returned laughing


            Count on it here too, but don’t you know?

            Is it hard to determine?
            That is why it is neither to me nor to my sister. none of my friends did not climb.
            It’s strange. why?


            The question is not "difficult or easy", but WHO will determine and what motives he will have. And about your collision with the juvenile, I answered you above. Where "Destiny" is.

            Well, of course, no one heard about the deprivation of parental rights during the USSR. did not know about orphans, orphanages and boarding schools - did not exist.


            Who told you that? Read carefully what you comment.

            Well, this is your problem.


            Yes, not only ours. And yours, too, he said himself, not without excesses.
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 July 2016 14: 36
              -1
              Quote: alicante11
              That discipline is supported as you say.

              Do you have someone to study at the gymnasium * Reali * in Haifa?
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 23 July 2016 14: 57
                0
                Do you have someone to study at the gymnasium * Reali * in Haifa?


                Atalef, have you forgotten Russian? It said I doubt it. If I studied, I would say "sure".
  15. alstr
    alstr 23 July 2016 07: 33
    +8
    Actually, according to animal training, there are several principles of training. Carrot, stick, carrot and stick, behind the leader. In practice, two methods are most effective: carrot sticks and behind the leader. In practice, in most cases, the stick and carrot method is used, because to find the leader difficult, he must be constantly rchdom with educated.
    At the same time, the whip is non-beating, and all the same, pulling, slapping, or just showing power.
    Now to our sheep. Man is also an animal and he also needs to be trained (educated). Correspondingly, children also need physical influence during their upbringing. Another thing is that the physical effect is different. It should not cripple, but should be remembered. Therefore, slaps are acceptable. In extreme cases, you can flog (for example, for theft). If there is no minimal physical impact, then the children will grow up without limiters, since we won’t get into any quality psychologists.
    And if you recall the Soviet past, then in my memory the children's room of the police somehow did not achieve any significant success. And yuvinalka we get the worst version of the children's room of the police with a commercial bias.
  16. Bort radist
    Bort radist 23 July 2016 07: 35
    +3
    "After 7, my father began to" heal "......" Previously, it was necessary to flog. At the age of seven, they were partisans in the war.
    1. atalef
      atalef 23 July 2016 08: 20
      -1
      Quote: Bort Radist
      "After 7, my father began to" heal "......" Previously, it was necessary to flog. At the age of seven, they were partisans in the war.

      Well, flogging is easier than explaining.
      The only question is, where is the best result?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 23 July 2016 10: 14
        +3
        Well, flogging is easier than explaining.


        Only if you do not understand. The characters are all different, however.
        1. atalef
          atalef 23 July 2016 11: 06
          -2
          Quote: alicante11
          Well, flogging is easier than explaining.


          Only if you do not understand. The characters are all different, however.

          So it can immediately slam, or you cut many - you cut, but there is no sense.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 23 July 2016 13: 36
            +1
            So it can immediately slam, or you cut many - you cut, but there is no sense.


            When you cut constantly, then there will be no sense. A belt is an extreme measure. Like a nuclear strike :).
      2. Bort radist
        Bort radist 23 July 2016 18: 08
        0
        Quote: atalef
        Well, flogging is easier than explaining.
        The only question is, where is the best result?

        "Suvorov's daughter was flogged ...
        Natalya Aleksandrovna Zubova, nee Suvorova, the daughter of the renowned commander, was sent to a boarding house, known for her Sparts education and rods ... "
        "In the" History of the rod "there is a mention of Russian ballet schools (schools?), Where they did not stand on ceremony with their students and were flogged for faults."

        http://www.sokoly.ru/vbforum/printthread.php
  17. user3970
    user3970 23 July 2016 07: 39
    +15
    People, in the article there was a phrase about orphanages ... So, I myself worked in a similar institution. Personal conclusion is a giant business for social security officials. You are aware that the state spends from 50 to 000 rubles a month to maintain a child in such institutions. Per month ! Sure . These are not direct expenses. By example ... Center for Social Protection. Vologda. 80 - 000 children, picked up on the street, taken from dysfunctional families, "runners" ... Service staff for 56 children - 58 people! 58-hour security, social educators, psychologists, medical staff, cooks, nannies, cleaners, laundress, electricians, caretaker, head of the AHO, electrician, 130 accountants, ch. accountant, 3 deputies, director, 2-3 drivers, one of them is the director's personal car driver. And there are dozens of such institutions in the region! And above all of them - the regional department of social services. protection. Well, and about providing orphans with housing in the future, and financial savings when the latter enter adulthood ... But nobody canceled pedophilia. And to whom and where can a child complain about a pedophile official? So, de jure, juvenile justice in the form in which it is in Scandinavia, and de facto, business on children and their trade exists and flourishes. I heard that there are no orphanages in Chechnya. Why are adoptive parents and guardians not allocated at least a third of the amount that the state spends on the official maintenance of children? Are they afraid of losing their business?
    1. Riv
      Riv 23 July 2016 07: 46
      0
      20 thousand. Not 50 and not 80.
      "Pedofelia" is spelled with "and".
      A child may report a pedophile official to the police.
      There are orphanages in Chechnya.

      Grozny social shelter for children
      Address: 364000, Grozny, ul. Coal, 285
      50 children
      Rehabilitation center for orphans and disabled children "Uyu
      Address: 364000, Grozny, ul. Roses Luxembourg, 1
      110 children
      Res boarding school specials. correspondent 3rd type (for the blind and visually impaired)
      Address: 364000, Grozny, ul. Kirova, 29
      60 children
      Republican boarding school for deaf and hard of hearing children
      Address: 364000, Grozny,
      81 children
      Republican boarding school for orphans
      Address: 364000, Grozny, ul. Kievskaya, 49
      70 children
    2. You Vlad
      You Vlad 23 July 2016 08: 17
      +4
      Correctly said purely business is not something personal! Soon there will be a profitable business a foster parent!
  18. podgornovea
    podgornovea 23 July 2016 07: 44
    +4
    All this is wonderful! But only all this in Israel!

    And we have orphanages, and there is no financial assistance for the needs of the child, and no one will make "maximum efforts to preserve the family"!
    As well as "the most severe control over social services"!

    On the contrary - it will be the most severe control of social services!

    With us, even if an official has seized upon at least some kind of power, he will hold on to her with his teeth, and from her all sorts of gesheft, profit, and nishtyak have!
    And the rest will have to "Ku!" do it twice and wear it in the nose and do not take it off while they, "eligible"think will punish or have mercy, and for what!
  19. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 23 July 2016 07: 49
    +6
    As for Russia, traditionally an official is a criminal. And this is an unspoken law. Under a good pretext, he will relieve the family of the child and of the type "give it up", but in fact - sell the child to a monster for organs or a pedophile. If only there was a benefit.
    Do not believe in the kindness of bureaucrats. The most sighing advocate of rights is a disguised vixen.
    The same can be said for any defender of human rights or nature. The benefit is either direct monetary, or indirectly through populism to climb higher into power and have a margin from this. Well, Navalny, for example, together with the corrupt official Kasyanov "fights" against corruption. I do not know Astakhov's opinion on this system, but somehow the TV judge-showman in the role of a defender looks exactly - "in the role".
    So for Russia, this system is certainly harmful. Are there orphanages in Chechnya? And at the Kazakhs, at the death of the parents of the child, either relatives or friends of the parents were necessarily taken to the family. Yes, and in old Russia, relatives rarely refused relatives a shelter.
    However, if people take their parents to nursing homes, then the juvenile system for them. And all European values ​​should replace traditional ones.
    Go forward to progress! We already see him in the EU. In nitsy, Munich, Paris, brussels ...
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 23 July 2016 10: 31
      0
      As for Russia, traditionally the official is a criminal. And this is an unspoken law.


      And if you become an official, will you also become a criminal?
      If EVERYONE observes the law, there will be no bribes. However, this is fantastic.
  20. Uncle Misha
    Uncle Misha 23 July 2016 08: 10
    +4
    When asked about officials / bosses, the answer is simpler: because they beat me a little with a belt. And there is no need to interfere with some subconscious psychology, otherwise, according to the author, it turns out that if I was punished in childhood, then I grew up as a notorious subhuman, on which officials / bosses "ride", who, it turns out, were not punished in childhood, and now they have grown up as normal people (by the way, this is where the liberal pseudo-values ​​lie — to live well = ride others, which is praised by the author).
  21. You Vlad
    You Vlad 23 July 2016 08: 13
    +6
    Do you feel the advertisement has already flooded will soon overwhelm!
  22. Khariton
    Khariton 23 July 2016 08: 14
    0
    The law is actually not bad ... There are a lot of parents who do not take care of children, and it is very difficult to deprive them of their parental rights! Trust me, I am a little familiar with this ... They are summoned to the Court, they will repent and promise, and then everything is still and from these children the bandits grow up to be cruel, who take revenge on society for their "cheerful" childhood and the parents of those who have descended ... How we will not be in the West! These are always "PR" what they are free ... So, let's calm down the guys, no one will take away the children and the more so the parents will not plant (if everything is fine in the family) .. But all sorts of hoes and sadists, there are a lot of divorced and they need to be punished for the children they bullied .. let's see .. hi The problems are just serious ... hi
    1. Mwg
      Mwg 23 July 2016 09: 11
      +3
      Juvenile justice is not a fight against a cause, but an attempt to eliminate the consequences. The consequences, as a rule, are taken to eliminate those who see this as a benefit for themselves. This is a fertile field for all kinds of preferences from communicating with children who have lost parental protection. Not the kids need to be protected from their parents, but with their parents, prevention is more active. That would be right. And so - another business. Only already on children.
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 23 July 2016 09: 40
        -1
        Quote: MVG
        Juvenile justice is not a fight against a cause, but an attempt to eliminate the consequences. The consequences, as a rule, are taken to eliminate those who see this as a benefit for themselves. This is a fertile field for all kinds of preferences from communicating with children who have lost parental protection. Not the kids need to be protected from their parents, but with their parents, prevention is more active. That would be right. And so - another business. Only already on children.

        Well, you turned down ... laughing God forbid if this comes to a showdown ...
      2. Riv
        Riv 23 July 2016 09: 46
        0
        And how is there a reason to fight? Tests to carry out and if parents are not ready to raise a child - an abortion and a maiden name?
  23. Hammer
    Hammer 23 July 2016 08: 15
    -6
    Juvenile justice is aimed at preserving the health of the child. To make children, if not physically, then mentally disabled - do you call this Russian family values? I talked to a psychotherapist I knew, so there would be something to defend. We have half of the families with inadequate upbringing, all this is a consequence of the cultural degradation of the 90s, the consequences of which will have to be "treated" for a very long time. Whoever thinks, go guys to psychotherapy - you will not be left without work for the next decade. And juvenile is a good set of measures, just in Russia, as in a number of other countries, everything is through one place
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 23 July 2016 08: 45
      +4
      Quote: Hammer
      I talked to a psychotherapist I knew, so there would be something to defend. Half of our families have inadequate upbringing, all this is a consequence of the cultural degradation of the 90s, the consequences of which will have to be "treated" for a very long time.

      Psychotherapists ... !!! wassat The USSR did not know what it was ... Then Kashpirovsky appeared and began .. Blood, devastation, robberies, etc.
    2. 34 region
      34 region 23 July 2016 10: 02
      +2
      Hammer! 08.15. As for the degradation of the 90s, here you are right. But what have psychologists to do with it? Here the social system must be changed. The system was changed, and the parents are to blame! What do you call it? Idiocy, stupidity, dibilism or what?
      1. You Vlad
        You Vlad 23 July 2016 10: 38
        +2
        Liberalism is called!
  24. Cat
    Cat 23 July 2016 08: 27
    +2
    Having an indirect relation to the present problem, I could not resist commenting.
    First, changes in the legislation of the Russian Federation affect the qualification of criminal offenses related to minor children.
    The second, families, children and parents are different universal method of how to raise a child is not and apparently never will be. Example: my daughter, 14 years old, is convinced that she is also involved in the education of my wife and I. Well, for yourself.
    Third, when amending the juvenile law, one must remember that it is necessary to make every effort to ensure that the child is brought up in his family. But we must remember that families are different. An example of a decade ago: a 4-year student of the Institute of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in an internship came with his mentor to a dysfunctional family, and after he saw that a three-year-old child was eating stucco and cockroaches from the wall, he fainted.
    Fourth, where money will be turned and stolen, do not hesitate to rob orphans, and from the cook in the kitchen to the official who holds an auction for the construction of housing for orphans. An example just yesterday, I spoke with a guy who installed me windows on the veranda. He told me how he built modular homes in the Perm region for orphans and veterans for children. Sick.
    Conclusions: our juvenile system is lame on both legs and needs to be reformed, but changes in the Criminal Code cannot get rid of.
    As a minimum, it is necessary to develop a code of rules or typical behavior for all categories of officials from the teacher to the PDN employee.
    Radically solve the issue of study, work and housing for orphans. For housing, the solution is seen in the issuance of a one-time certificate as a parent.
    Sincerely your cat.
    1. You Vlad
      You Vlad 23 July 2016 10: 20
      +1
      Yes, the way out is simple! The state must protect, save, help the family, cherish and cherish! Then there will be less problems! We must build a social state and not arrange repression! That's what we should strive for! And juvenile justice is not God's business!
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 23 July 2016 10: 35
      +2
      Conclusions: our juvenile system is lame on both legs and needs to be reformed, but changes in the Criminal Code cannot get rid of.
      As a minimum, it is necessary to develop a code of rules or typical behavior for all categories of officials from the teacher to the PDN employee.


      At a minimum, financial interest in the work of juvenile officials must be removed. And this is possible only under socialism. Under capitalism, a juvenile will ALWAYS turn into a monster.
      1. atalef
        atalef 23 July 2016 11: 17
        -1
        Quote: alicante11
        At a minimum, financial interest in the work of juvenile officials must be removed.

        What is it like ? Deprive salaries? Career Opportunities? Opportunities to decide the fate of people?
        This is not real as juvenile service will exist as long as there are cases of violence, etc., and therefore the workers themselves are interested in identifying and inflating them.
        There must be a system of balances, and this
        1. Independent court
        2.Parents' Rights
        3. The moral qualities of social. workers
        4. Responsibility (until the dismissal) of engaged social workers. institutions.
        I can’t say anything about orphanages. in Israel they are not
        Quote: alicante11
        Under capitalism, a juvenile will ALWAYS turn into a monster.

        I don’t feel like this monster.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 23 July 2016 13: 44
          0
          What is it like ? Deprive salaries? Career Opportunities? Opportunities to decide the fate of people?


          And as it was in the USSR. There will even be money, but you can’t spend more than others anyway. Then there will be no craving for money.

          There must be a system of balances, and this
          1. Independent court


          Does an independent judge take bribes? He has no bosses, which are not taken, from the word "absolutely"?

          2.Parents' Rights


          Without protection of the rights of parents - a fiction.

          3. The moral qualities of social. workers


          Same as yiwu judge. It has never happened that social services were involved in kidnapping, and even worse.

          4. Responsibility (until the dismissal) of engaged social workers. institutions.


          If they don’t share with those who can fire them.

          And so in a circle.

          I don’t feel like this monster.


          You are lucky, but in the links that I cited - felt. And there are many of them, I only took the first two. In general, I am very lazy.
  25. semirek
    semirek 23 July 2016 08: 33
    +6
    The situation is twofold: we want to scoop out of the Western "humanistic" well, rubbish very dangerous for the Russian people, Russia has been drinking it all the 19th century, the result is known, and at the same time we want to return to the patriotic form of education in schools, how to combine this? "juvenile" is to prohibit the imposition of any kind of responsibilities on the child, so that the child eventually grows into a stupid consumer, it is short and clear, that he would become aware of the life around him as late as possible, and there is little good in this, then our little boy at the age of 10 he has a level of knowledge and skills at the level of a 20-year-old American or German guy - it's not a secret - except for dibilism, juvenile life will give Russia nothing - it is necessary to introduce the institution of a real family, preaching family foundations. Alexander the Third said: "strengthen the family, she the basis of our state "
    1. atalef
      atalef 23 July 2016 09: 02
      0
      Quote: semirek
      The principle of "juvenile" is to prohibit the imposition of any kind of duties on a child,

      T.E.?
      What kind of nonsense?
      Quote: semirek
      it’s not enough that our kid in 10 years has a level of knowledge and skills at the level of 20 summer American or German guy is not a secret

      Are you sure ?
      Quote: semirek
      Russia - it is necessary to introduce the institution of a real family, preaching family foundations. Alexander the Third said: "strengthen the family - it is the basis of our state."

      Well, and how does it work for himself?
      1. 34 region
        34 region 23 July 2016 10: 25
        +3
        Atalef! 09.02/20. What nonsense? Go to the store, take out the trash, wash the dishes, sweep the floor, is this violence against a child? And the 20-year-old guys in Germany or America can do something around the house? For example, change the socket or tap? And what should he succeed? What is Israel's family life? It’s hard to say about Russia today. Families are actually collapsing. Here in Israel. He and she are XNUMX years old. What are their prospects? With work, with housing?
        1. atalef
          atalef 23 July 2016 11: 22
          -2
          Quote: Region 34
          Atalef! 09.02/XNUMX. What nonsense? Go to the store, take out the trash, wash the dishes, sweep the floor, is this violence against a child?

          And that someone has already been planted for this?
          Quote: Region 34
          And the 20-year-old guys in Germany or America can do something around the house? For example, change the socket or tap?

          I can only say about my son in Israel, relatives in Canada and America - guys can.
          Everyone can do it - of course not, but in Russia everyone knows how, or is it just my friend from St. Petersburg - no laughing
          Do not write nonsense and do not row all under one comb.
          In Germany . America and Europe - but someone works and puts outlets and shocks clean and changes cranes - and the young are
          Quote: Region 34
          What is Israel's family life?

          You do not know what a Jewish family is? belay Jewish mom? belay
          Then oh laughing
          Quote: Region 34
          . In Israel, he and she are 20 years old. What are their prospects?

          One has another year of the army, the second has a demobilization.
          Then everyone chooses his own path.
          In general, as everywhere else, manna does not fall from the sky.
  26. ssp27
    ssp27 23 July 2016 08: 47
    +3
    article seems to be custom
  27. newcomer
    newcomer 23 July 2016 08: 51
    +8
    one might think without juvinal, we, a generation of the USSR, grew up either sadists or morally humiliated. Hello to the author: for the sake of a screaming child, they found a Jewish grandmother to move to Israel. even there nothing has changed. engaged in social. workers who taught them to listen and hear each other. was it worth it to go? but doesn’t it seem to the author that it is in them themselves? and where are the details about the parents? I have a mother teacher, father engineer, raised three of us, brought up uncle and aunt without the intervention of others. the question is different. it is necessary to tighten the nuts in the education of today's children. for democracy and all that already dismissed them no worse than juvinalka. if it goes on like this, you will soon need a juvenile for parents. I can’t resist the temptation and not ask the author, all this long essay_roman aimed to humiliate all the parents of the USSR ??? and everything related to the union? how it looks like you. a mighty country gave birth to you, nourished, raised, educated, employed, housing, and you all are leaving, spitting with acid saliva to your homeland.
    1. atalef
      atalef 23 July 2016 09: 16
      0
      Quote: newbie
      you might think, without juvinal, we, a generation of the USSR, grew up either sadists or morally humiliated

      No, of course, but I would like to see statistics on the number of unsuccessful families, child alcoholism and crime, the number of children killed and crippled (by parents), the number of orphans --- and compare.
      Mathematikav generally does not lie
      Quote: newbie
      the question is different. it is necessary to tighten the nuts in the education of today's children. for democracy and all that already dismissed them no worse than juvinalka.

      Well, everything is as the author pointed out - the authorities tighten the screws in relation to their citizens, parents grabbing the baton do not push the children to press.
      Quote: newbie
      But, did all this long essay_roman aim to humiliate all the parents of the USSR ??

      Why? The author says that there is another way.
      Quote: newbie
      how it looks like you. a mighty country gave birth to you, nourished, raised, educated, employed, housing, and you all are leaving, spitting with acid saliva to your homeland.

      That's how it all gave and from this paradise they dumped. laughing
      Maybe then the problem is not material?
      1. 34 region
        34 region 23 July 2016 10: 37
        +2
        Atalef! 09.16. If we take the visual series, today it is worse than in the USSR. This is what you see with your own eyes. There was no such poverty in the USSR. Well, who lives on Rublev see of course a completely different picture. As good as they are now, they did not live in the USSR. In relation to parents, the nuts are tightened. And for some reason their moans are not heard. And dumped from this paradise? Well, how is it in Israel with getting education, work, paying for housing and communal services? In the USSR, everything was very bad! Why is Israel better?
        1. atalef
          atalef 23 July 2016 11: 31
          0
          Quote: Region 34
          If we take the visual series, today it is worse than in the USSR.

          It’s different for everyone.
          Quote: Region 34
          There was no such poverty in the USSR

          I have visited a lot in the USSR and have seen a lot of things.
          Miscellaneous happened.
          Quote: Region 34
          Well, who lives on Rublev see of course a completely different picture. As good as they are now, they did not live in the USSR.

          Yes, where does the ruble - my friends, live at a fairly good level - as engineers (electricians)
          Quote: Region 34
          Well, how is it in Israel with getting education, work, paying for housing and communal services?

          In different ways, if you want to live at a high level, you have to study a lot and work a lot (a lot)
          Quote: Region 34
          In the USSR, everything was very bad! Why is Israel better?

          Well, firstly, the USSR is no longer there, and secondly, I am a Jew and Israel - this is my country.
          Here Russian wants to live in Russia, Ukrainian - to Ukraine. Kazakh - in Kazakhstan - this is normal. but why is a Jew leaving paradise (USSR) for Israel - is this perceived negatively and by whom? Russian.
          I would understand. if from Israel Jews were breaking into Russia and the Russians would be outraged here, the type came in large numbers.
          But here? Yes, thank you.
          I left - I handed over the apartment - I got some waiting list.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 23 July 2016 13: 49
            +2
            Yes, where does the ruble - my friends, live at a fairly good level - as engineers (electricians)


            In Gazprom, the cleaners in cool cars are dissecting, but not all the Russians work in Gazprom, so do you. Lucky your friends. And others are not lucky.

            In different ways, if you want to live at a high level, you have to study a lot and work a lot (a lot)


            Just do not. Of course, Abramovich works more than all his employees, so he has so many.
    2. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 23 July 2016 09: 52
      +1
      Quote: newbie
      you might think, without juvinal, we, a generation of the USSR, grew up either sadists or morally humiliated

      People who grew up in the USSR defeated their country, threw themselves into the arms of the SGA, put on raspberry-colored jackets, put the people on a needle.
      It was in the USSR that Yeltsin and Gaidar, Poroshenko and Tyagnibok, the princes of the Central Asian states and the Nazis of the Baltic states were brought up.
      Where did so much r ... eh come from in an "ideal" state with an "ideal" education system?
  28. Khariton
    Khariton 23 July 2016 08: 58
    +1
    We Russians have such a "code in the genes" ... And it is useless to educate, teach us, if only to destroy, although our genes have already spread throughout the world! The Russians do not give up .. At the right moment in history, this code is triggered and therefore there is such a thing as "MYSTERIOUS RUSSIAN SOUL!" .. Sometimes you don’t understand yourself, why do I need all this? And the inner voice haunts my rebellious soul ...
    1. Riv
      Riv 23 July 2016 09: 09
      -3
      Do you hear the voices? You, my friend, are not here. To you to the psychiatrist.
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 23 July 2016 09: 45
        +1
        Quote: Riv
        Do you hear the voices? You, my friend, are not here. To you to the psychiatrist.

        I know ..! You would have driven everything (like you ..) to your psychiatrists! And we resist gentlemen ... We have psychiatrists Army and Navy! A very effective medicine for you liberalists and tollerasts! bully
        1. Riv
          Riv 23 July 2016 17: 49
          +1
          After all, you did not serve in the army?
          And here I am a sergeant. My father is a senior sergeant. Two grandfathers - corporal and foreman. Great-grandfather - Unter. Even the mother-in-law is that major of the medical service.
          So pray to God that in case of something you don’t get into my department. :)
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 24 July 2016 04: 26
            0
            So pray to God that in case of something you don’t get into my department. :)


            Wah bAyus, I hope that both of you will get into my platoon for mobilization :).
            1. Riv
              Riv 24 July 2016 10: 17
              0
              Nothing ... We built the lieutenants.
  29. Million
    Million 23 July 2016 09: 01
    +8
    The Jews have a different mentality than the Russians. And they piled into Israel for some other reason, and not because of the poor behavior of the child
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 23 July 2016 10: 03
      -1
      Quote: Million
      The Jews have a different mentality than the Russians. And they piled into Israel for some other reason, and not because of the poor behavior of the child

      Well, in vain you are so ... Now they chop everyone down again))))
  30. Mwg
    Mwg 23 July 2016 09: 05
    +8
    Dear author! Do not take it as a personal insult, but as practice shows, in such families as you described, problems in teenage boys usually begin with the will of the mother and her ignoring any other opinion in the family. As a rule, these are women carrying a load of academic knowledge and quite strong-willed. Such women in families, as a rule, dominate explicitly or secretly and often show aggression against relatives and friends with completely good intentions.
    Boys in families, as a rule, begin to copy the behavior of the dominant spouse, because, due to the psychophysiology of the man who is being formed, they subconsciously strive for management and leadership.
    The social psychologist who worked with the family you described worked with the problem of the dominance of the spouse’s will. The presence of culture and the lack of addiction to alcohol and smoking, in this case, does not affect the situation.
    In my opinion, the story told has nothing to do with juvenile justice. Now, if the parents were deprived of their parental rights, the child would be taken from the family and placed in a shelter, and then sent to a foster family - then yes.
    If touched any personal feelings, sorry. You publicly told the story, I expressed my opinion.
  31. Zomanus
    Zomanus 23 July 2016 09: 05
    +6
    Juvenile will not go to Russia, if only for the reason
    that they will immediately try to use it to find and cut the dough in an easy way.
    That is, juveniles will breed their parents for money,
    to return the child to them. Well, or they will use juveniles as a means
    revenge or control of the right person.
    And by the way, this will not concern the gentlemen from the upper classes,
    as they are not affected by current laws.
    In Russia, everything that is not accepted by the government,
    its goal is to find ... or cut the dough in an easy way.
    And only after the cream is skimmed,
    regulation of the approach to this feeding trough begins.
  32. Mengad
    Mengad 23 July 2016 09: 16
    +6
    I saw with my own eyes what a juvenile does. A child of about 12 throws a glass bottle at a woman walking with a stroller in which there is a small child. And you do not have the right to touch him. Two guys are playing in the middle of the carriageway, they are asked to leave the carriageway and they are in response they are rude, and you can only ask them and God forbid you touch your finger, they will sue. It was in England.
    1. atalef
      atalef 23 July 2016 09: 22
      -3
      Quote: Mengad
      I saw with my own eyes what a juvenile does. A 12 child throws a glass bottle at a woman walking with a stroller in which a small child

      This is not done by a juvenile. So he was brought up - d.b.i.l.y. parents
      Quote: Mengad
      .And you do not have the right to touch him

      Even as you have - he called the police and handed over.
      Quote: Mengad
      . Two guys are playing in the middle of the roadway, they are asked to leave the roadway and they are rude in response, and you can only ask them and God forbid you touch your finger, they will condemn. It was in England.

      So, how is the question, but Russia doesn’t? Well, is that all that you described?
      And then what about the juvenile?
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 23 July 2016 10: 00
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: Mengad
        I saw with my own eyes what a juvenile does. A 12 child throws a glass bottle at a woman walking with a stroller in which a small child

        This is not done by a juvenile. So he was brought up - d.b.i.l.y. parents
        Quote: Mengad
        .And you do not have the right to touch him

        Even as you have - he called the police and handed over.
        Quote: Mengad
        . Two guys are playing in the middle of the roadway, they are asked to leave the roadway and they are rude in response, and you can only ask them and God forbid you touch your finger, they will condemn. It was in England.

        So, how is the question, but Russia doesn’t? Well, is that all that you described?
        And then what about the juvenile?

        Atalef, you’ve become a marshal ... Explain to us ordinary Russians why? I used to remember everyone in turtles walked .. The professor became a consultant .. bully )))
        Your comments are not bad atalef, but all with some subtext and high ..
        And your comrades are the same .. I do not envy, just different thoughts come .. hi
        1. atalef
          atalef 23 July 2016 10: 37
          +2
          Quote: Chariton
          Atalef, you’ve become a marshal ... Explain to us ordinary Russians why?

          Meehan, you had 3 holes in a helmet on your old avatar, did the whole brain make it?
          Quote: Chariton
          Previously, I remember everything in the turtles went .. The professor became a consultant ..)))

          Jewish conspiracy
          Quote: Chariton
          Your comments are not bad atalef, but all with some subtext and high

          Do not cheat, Meehan.
          Quote: Chariton
          . I do not envy, just different thoughts come ..

          Come and go wink
      2. 34 region
        34 region 23 July 2016 10: 47
        +2
        Atalef! 09.22. And what have we come to? I myself can’t do anything, I can’t do anything. But specially trained people (police) can and they can.
    2. Riv
      Riv 23 July 2016 09: 37
      +2
      "You have the right" and "you can" are two different things. You have the right to life and you have the right to defend your life. If necessary - at least tear off the head of the youngster. Only then you need to be ready to take responsibility for your actions. If you are afraid of responsibility, then not only is it not recommended for you to have children, but in general to go out into the street.

      In the case you described, the correct approach is to take pictures of the child playing on the roadway, call the police and set the same juveniles on his parents. And the law will be for you, and not against, because in fact an irresponsible person is much more dangerous for society than society for him. But that's another story.
      1. Mengad
        Mengad 23 July 2016 09: 57
        +2
        You do not understand. Morality? By what criteria do you consider morality? I remind you that in England as well as in the Western world I need to list my criteria of morality for you?
        1. Khariton
          Khariton 23 July 2016 10: 31
          -1
          Quote: Mengad
          You do not understand. Morality? By what criteria do you consider morality? I remind you that in England as well as in the Western world I need to list my criteria of morality for you?

          Better not needed (we know their morality) ... Here the youth is ours!
    3. You Vlad
      You Vlad 23 July 2016 10: 50
      0
      This is a direct decomposition of society! Opinion of the Englishman about the British: well, we all know that we are British monsters!
  33. newcomer
    newcomer 23 July 2016 09: 27
    +10
    atalef, I really don’t understand you, and you don’t understand me either. we are too different.
    1. atalef
      atalef 23 July 2016 10: 00
      0
      Quote: newbie
      atalef, I really don’t understand you, and you don’t understand me either. we are too different.

      People are generally different, but consent
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 23 July 2016 10: 38
        +4
        Well, here's the atalef for you ... You apparently ran away from this ..)))) The boys started to beat you for such behavior! laughing
  34. semirek
    semirek 23 July 2016 09: 43
    +6
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: semirek
    The principle of "juvenile" is to prohibit the imposition of any kind of duties on a child,

    T.E.?
    What kind of nonsense?
    Quote: semirek
    it’s not enough that our kid in 10 years has a level of knowledge and skills at the level of 20 summer American or German guy is not a secret

    Are you sure ?
    Quote: semirek
    Russia - it is necessary to introduce the institution of a real family, preaching family foundations. Alexander the Third said: "strengthen the family - it is the basis of our state."

    Well, and how does it work for himself?

    Well, the Jews, really, just across their throats, I would not advise you to get into Russian problems, you have your own above the roof. Yes, and it is strange to hear the opinion of people who fled from Russia at one time, but have now become popularizers of "Western" values, maybe you and for same-sex marriages with adoption of children will you agitate us?
    1. atalef
      atalef 23 July 2016 10: 41
      0
      Quote: semirek
      Well, to the Jews, the truth is just across the throat

      Is that what?
      Quote: semirek
      it’s not enough that our kid in 10 years has a level of knowledge and skills at the level of 20 summer American or German guy is not a secret

      Quote: semirek
      I would not advise you to get into Russian problems

      Strange, how is your (Russian) citizenship different from mine? laughing
      Quote: semirek
      And it’s strange to hear the opinion of people who escaped from Russia at one time

      Having left the USSR, are you against the idea that Jews would live in Israel?
      Quote: semirek
      , maybe you will agitate us for same-sex marriages with the adoption of children?

      fool
  35. populist
    populist 23 July 2016 09: 47
    +8
    The article is purely manipulative (fraudulent). No.
    From the vast and monstrous experience of Western juvenile justice, the meager experience of the Israeli juvenile is taken, and it replaces all the anti-human practice characteristic of this system. The article does not say a word about this very anti-human and anti-people’s practice, juveniles in Scandinavia, France, etc. are not considered. It seems that everything is correct and worthy in the article, but in fact - lies and deceit. am
  36. Mengad
    Mengad 23 July 2016 09: 47
    +2
    Atalef
    This is not done by a juvenile. So he was brought up - d.b.i.l.y. parents
    Parents also have no right to touch him. Otherwise, the offspring will complain about his parents.
    Even as you have - he called the police and handed over.
    Is there always an opportunity to call the police? And then what? He will simply say that he did nothing and his uncle or aunt offend him and then you won’t get into trouble.

    So, how is the question, but Russia doesn’t? Well, is that all that you described?
    Of course there is, but in Russia there is more chance to tell the child that it is wrong to do this.
    And then what about the juvenile?

    Do you understand your question?
    1. atalef
      atalef 23 July 2016 10: 45
      0
      Quote: Mengad
      Parents also have no right to touch him. Otherwise, the offspring will complain about his parents.

      Previously, it was necessary to educate. nothing will help at 12

      Quote: Mengad
      Is there always the opportunity to call the police? And then what?

      You can always call the police, and then let the relevant authorities understand (including juvenile 0 and let the parents explain how, what and why
      Quote: Mengad
      He will simply say that he did nothing and his uncle or aunt offend him and then you won’t get into trouble.

      Well, everything is so simple, do not write nonsense
      Quote: Mengad
      Of course there is, but in Russia there is more chance to tell the child that it is wrong to do this

      Well, how does this fit in with the statistics?
  37. Cat
    Cat 23 July 2016 09: 57
    -1
    Dear, do not replace the concept!
    After reading your comments, I came to the conclusion that everyone, including myself, puts something of his own into the concept of "juvinalka".
    We were all children and most of us are parents. In this connection, the topic is very close to us, but there is a legal concept of "juvenile justice" at the level of national and international legislation in relation to illicit (juvenile) citizens and their parents (guardians).
    Currently, this institution in Russia is at the level of its development in the 90s of the last century. Namely, the direct heir to the USSR. But in the USSR, in addition to the traditional upbringing of the child, a school and other public institutions as a pioneer and Komsomol participated in the family.
    Currently, a large number of problems have accumulated. But it is stupid to copy the Western experience with parents one and two, too, is not "ice". It is necessary to look for our own path based on our traditions of family and society and with fragmentary intersperses of the positive experience of other states.
  38. Kotr
    Kotr 23 July 2016 10: 01
    +5
    the goal of juvenile justice is to take a child away from his parents, bring him up in an "incubator" to serve the interests of the oligarchy, so that a "cog" of globalism obedient to the system emerges from him. And no family values, stories, traditions. A clean sheet on which everything can be written.
  39. midshipman
    midshipman 23 July 2016 10: 06
    +2
    I had to study at a military school from the age of 14. At 18 he was already a lieutenant. In "Soldier's Bikes" in "VO" I published two articles "Remembered" and "Smile". They are on the site. Please read, maybe they will help you raise your children. And then look on the internet about me. I have the honor.
  40. Strashila
    Strashila 23 July 2016 10: 11
    +4
    Any idea can be brought to complete insanity.
    If you impose restrictions on parents, then the respected state should take care of the consequences of these acts of the children, and do not transfer them to the parents.
    Somewhere vitamin "P" in small doses is possible, but somewhere only a colony.
    You do not need all to fit in one comb.
    I agree with only one, social workers should help the family.
    But in our country, they are not on the side of the family ... although this is the main function, but on the side of the state ... and there are completely different evaluation criteria, the more dirt they dig, if not, they will come up with and the more families will suffer the higher the efficiency their work.
  41. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 23 July 2016 10: 23
    +8
    I'm curious, the author does not cause cognitive dissonance this:

    - children are not tried for crimes, because they "unable to understand the meaning and consequences of their actions";
    - children have the right to complain about their parents; apparently, here they understand and realize everything.

    How so? If children have numerous rights, then this implies the presence of responsibilities. And the presence of responsibility, by the way.

    But isn’t it better to tear off the belt (to rob him of money, lock him up at home, cut him off from the Internet, etc.) than wait until the boy, distraught from juvenalism, does something for which he will be sent to educational institutions?
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 23 July 2016 11: 27
      0
      Quote: Gormengast
      I'm curious, the author does not cause cognitive dissonance this:

      - children are not tried for crimes, because they "unable to understand the meaning and consequences of their actions";
      - children have the right to complain about their parents; apparently, here they understand and realize everything.

      How so? If children have numerous rights, then this implies the presence of responsibilities. And the presence of responsibility, by the way.

      But isn’t it better to tear off the belt (to rob him of money, lock him up at home, cut him off from the Internet, etc.) than wait until the boy, distraught from juvenalism, does something for which he will be sent to educational institutions?

      The West is against this ...! It's time for our boys to drive (not necessarily with a belt, you can in the eye)))) ..
      The society of consumers is stupid ... No gentlemen! Sometimes it’s useful to walk with a belt to turn on your brains!
      1. Gormenghast
        Gormenghast 23 July 2016 11: 39
        +1
        It’s time to drive our boys (not necessarily with a belt, it’s possible in the eye)


        Yes!

        Even if we leave aside the extreme juvenile robbers and murderers, there are, for example, 13-year-old "mothers". What about this? Who will bring up their children? You can't spank in the Western way; it is impossible to humiliate morally; to infringe on the "natural" sexual attraction - it is impossible. What should I do? This is "love". Close, ..., at home. Attach a cradle to the "father" and also isolate.

        Just some kind of insanity! There are patriarchal principles in which there are no "children's rights". These same children, taking advantage of juvenileism, growing up, and the establishment of their own children, will understand the truth.

        Children do not understand higher mathematics; Why is it considered that they understand more about social-family problems?
    2. fif21
      fif21 23 July 2016 13: 00
      -2
      Quote: Gormengast
      Isn’t it better to tear off the belt (deprive money, lock at home, be disconnected from the Internet

      My friend makes it easier - the cat shits on the floor - it is by its hind legs and rubbing against the jamb (but it is imperative that the wife and children see) The ram somehow butted him publicly, so publicly I received such "lyuly" drin and now it is more affectionate than a ram, I never met laughing And the wife doesn’t put him on the table after one incident lol And everyone loves and respects him hi
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  42. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 23 July 2016 10: 29
    +5
    The author poses himself as a sort of youth with character. The author - a minor moron simply. I received from my father that he always went into a trivial conflict with his parents, he didn’t put the opinion of his parents into hell. I thought that he himself, but his friends, girlfriends know better. And here we are about the character floods. The time will come on his knees creeping, whining. But he does not crawl, his children will also send him to hell. Verdict - author of a minor moron.
    1. Dali
      Dali 23 July 2016 11: 24
      0
      Quote: Mareman Vasilich
      The author - a minor moron simply.

      Definitely!

      Yes, he also rubs that having left for Israel, everything became fine, well, he and his parents were cured right away ... here they have written more than once about the statistics of youth suicides in the army and not only in the "Promised Land" !!!
    2. Gormenghast
      Gormenghast 23 July 2016 11: 43
      +1
      Verdict - author of a minor moron.


      No, he understands everything, this is just a liberal order. It is being formed in the West gradually, imperceptibly.

      It only surprises me that supposedly in Israel, where Judaism is widespread, such events can take place. In Judaism, there are no children's rights at all; even there is no universal love.
      1. atalef
        atalef 23 July 2016 12: 35
        +2
        Quote: Gormengast
        In Judaism, there are no children's rights at all; even there is no universal love.

        Is Cap Judaism expert? wink laughing
        1. Gormenghast
          Gormenghast 23 July 2016 12: 56
          -2
          Is Cap Judaism expert?


          I belong to the 0,2% denominations that are evangelical Christians. Therefore, I expose the shit very clearly. laughing

          But the Old Testament, unlike the others, I know well. Textually; I can not understand the meaning and meaning of the text, but only them. smile But we do not have a center of interpretation.
          1. a housewife
            a housewife 24 July 2016 13: 36
            0
            How not? And the priests for what? And there is a lot of Christian literature. And why is it that the Jews do not like children? No, well, as there are fanatics everywhere, you yourself know who is capable of catching a Jewish girl of 8 years on the street and spit in her face, because she has a short dress, and she’s not supposed to run around skipping. But fanatics - they are fanatics! And normal people love all children. I have a worse relationship with the Old Testament - it has passed and gone, you can know how the story before the advent of the Lord in the world, and out of interest. For our time, the Christian must not only know and understand, but also try to fulfill the New Testament. hi
          2. a housewife
            a housewife 24 July 2016 13: 36
            0
            How not? And the priests for what? And there is a lot of Christian literature. And why is it that the Jews do not like children? No, well, as there are fanatics everywhere, you yourself know who is capable of catching a Jewish girl of 8 years on the street and spit in her face, because she has a short dress, and she’s not supposed to run around skipping. But fanatics - they are fanatics! And normal people love all children. I have a worse relationship with the Old Testament - it has passed and gone, you can know how the story before the advent of the Lord in the world, and out of interest. For our time, the Christian must not only know and understand, but also try to fulfill the New Testament. hi
  43. Dali
    Dali 23 July 2016 11: 19
    +1
    P.S. For those who are going to write comments in the style of “I was beaten with a belt, but I grew up being a man”, I will ask a simple question: why then does any official / boss who is endowed with at least a drop of power, almost like you go to such people like you?

    And I will answer myself: in your subconscious mind, he is “a father with a belt,” which you cannot bring yourself to cross. Reflex!


    You don’t have to turn everything upside down ... and this is easily seen in Europe ...
    If in more detail, just when the children have to hide the facts, because they can be taken away from their parents, or even without a parent (begging) - then the reflex will really develop !!!

    And when I got to work, it is still recognized ... of the same families, where they simply beat me i.e. dysfunctional families will always be and no juvenile will help !!!

    And Locky should have explained to you first, and only then, if after several attempts it doesn’t come to explain with his hands - but you didn’t do it, so you didn’t understand nichrome ... because dysfunctional families aren’t only when their parents drink ...
  44. Turkir
    Turkir 23 July 2016 11: 24
    +2
    Their morals.
    You can give only one example from the American media.
    At the American airport, the excited American mother easily slammed her son in a soft spot: he ran away from her into the crowd.
    The American mother was deprived of parental rights and the five-year-old son was at the adoptive parents.
    Hosanna juvenile justice! Now the boy is happy.
    Interestingly, the boy did not suffer any psychological stress.
    Why not transfer?
    Yes, because no one wrote about it.
    1. Dali
      Dali 23 July 2016 11: 29
      +1
      Quote: Turkir
      Now the boy is happy.

      He will grow up (with a mentally disturbed) and shoot at school a dozen classmates (who grow up in their own) ... just out of envy
    2. You Vlad
      You Vlad 24 July 2016 14: 40
      0
      This is the collapse of the world for mother, father, and child! What if this is not a form of fascism? Thanks for the example of Turkir And what will happen next? What will the juvenile reborn into? Scary to think! It all starts with a small one.
    3. You Vlad
      You Vlad 24 July 2016 14: 48
      0
      And what we forget about is a good tool for managing the masses! If you don’t, we’ll take your child from you, they’ll find a way!
  45. semirek
    semirek 23 July 2016 11: 40
    +4
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: semirek
    Well, to the Jews, the truth is just across the throat

    Is that what?
    Quote: semirek
    it’s not enough that our kid in 10 years has a level of knowledge and skills at the level of 20 summer American or German guy is not a secret

    Quote: semirek
    I would not advise you to get into Russian problems

    Strange, how is your (Russian) citizenship different from mine? laughing
    Quote: semirek
    And it’s strange to hear the opinion of people who escaped from Russia at one time

    Having left the USSR, are you against the idea that Jews would live in Israel?
    Quote: semirek
    , maybe you will agitate us for same-sex marriages with the adoption of children?

    fool

    Only Jews can answer the question asked with a question, only I think you are not from the Soviet Jews, they were intellectuals, you don’t look like them --- you poke, and the Russian peasant is talking to you, what does this mean? Do you have Jews I have special feelings for the Russian nation, I think, but I don’t name what.
    1. atalef
      atalef 23 July 2016 12: 36
      +2
      Quote: semirek
      You Jews have special feelings for the Russian nation, I think, but I don’t name which ones.

      I love them, Ukrainian wife. laughing
  46. Old warrior
    Old warrior 23 July 2016 12: 03
    +1
    And then the Soviet. This intellectual man did not know that children have been flogged since the time of the Tsar of Peas? Punishment is punishment. Sometimes the child is simply not able to understand the depth of his fault. At one time, my parents flogged me (my mother was an amateur) and nothing: a completely normal citizen of society grew up, without juvenile perversions of upbringing, when a child knows his "rights", but does not know his responsibilities.
    Flogged in childhood and Pushkin, and Leo Tolstoy, and so many worthy people. smile
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 23 July 2016 12: 17
      0
      We must act not on the meat, but on the mind.
      Therefore, there is no better encouragement than admiration, and more effective punishment than contempt.
    2. would
      would 24 July 2016 09: 45
      +1
      Sometimes a child is simply not able to understand the depth of his fault.


      Especially if you don't explain anything to him. "He doesn't understand anything anyway, you can't do anything else with him" and so on. etc.
    3. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 25 July 2016 15: 16
      +1
      Quote: Old Warrior
      quite normal citizen of society


      Wow - do you have a high opinion of yourself? At least immodest ...
  47. Dali
    Dali 23 July 2016 12: 15
    +1
    This Israeli citizen himself wrote about measures against juvenile justice itself ...

    Moreover, I will assume that these measures may have arisen as a result of a certain classified report on the harmfulness of these measures. But to admit that they are mugs, it’s higher than their strengths, and even Europe like to powder their brains, saying that we have a juvenile.

    And nevertheless, at the same time, they were not able to completely neutralize the effect of juvenility, but they receive suicides of young people (notice from seemingly prosperous families) in the army, and they only ... just do not want to admit.
  48. Just a man
    Just a man 23 July 2016 12: 22
    +1
    A snotty article about the highly intellectual relationships of adult parents and an 11 year old puppy. As my brother jokingly said, father-to-son knowledge was transmitted using a belt drive. It often happens that one slap replaces 100 hours of educational conversations.
  49. Igor V
    Igor V 23 July 2016 12: 34
    +3
    In the Soviet Union there were juvenile rooms at the Department of Internal Affairs. Women with quite a pedagogical education, often university, worked there. If he had fled to his normal homeland, would not all the measures that had been taken at the historical one have been applied here? I also want to note that he agreed with his parents, most likely due to the fact that he grew up, and no police did anything here.
    By the way, in the article, there are methods of intimidation around: a whole police apparatus was found on my father with a belt. And intimidation methods do not always work, as can be seen at the beginning of the article.
    In general, the article is clearly custom-made, flat, not revealing the essence of the question posed. Minus.
  50. fif21
    fif21 23 July 2016 12: 37
    +3
    The father should be the authority for the children. Strong, honest, fair. A henpecked man, a rag, a coward should be prepared for the fact that his children will wipe their feet on him. From my grandfather, for any joint, everyone received "lyuley" from a cat, a dog, a bull and ending with a grandmother. And mummy received "luley" for jambs, and there was order and respect in the house. And now what? - the women were dismissed, the children were lost, and then these same women declare - where to find the real men? laughing And what did these hens think when they ran to complain about their husbands? We respect Stalin and Putin, for the fact that they firmly rule the country, and we offer grandfathers and fathers for the same rigidity in prison to rot am Oh Russia! Where are you going?
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 23 July 2016 12: 46
      0
      The fist begins where the brain ends.
      Quote: fif21
      Stalin and Putin-respect for the fact that they firmly rule the country

      Not tough, but wise, reasonable and skillfully. Bokassa and Pol Pot ruled tightly, but for some reason no one respects them.
      Anyway ...
      1. fif21
        fif21 23 July 2016 13: 16
        +2
        Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
        Bokassa and Pol Pot ruled tightly, but for some reason no one respects them.
        Do not replace the concept! Tough and cruel hi
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