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ZTZ-96B - application for victory

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So, a train arrived in Alabino, on the platforms of which five new Chinese tanks, which, with the light hand of Jane's experts, became known as ZTZ-96B or Type-96B. In fact, no one knows their true name, well, except perhaps the Chinese military themselves.

The first photos of these cars, merged into the Internet before sending them to Russia, made a lot of noise in the press. There is no doubt that it was a completely controlled drain. In China, nothing at all is being done just like that, and the state keeps the entire media space under very strict control. It seems that there were two goals for such a drain.

The first is disinformation, and the second is intimidation of rivals. So it was originally stated that these tanks began to enter into the armament of the PLA and conduct training firing somewhere in Xinjiang. Like, they have nothing to do with the upcoming competitions, they are ordinary combat vehicles.

The second point - a number of photos showed clearly significantly increased the dynamics of the machines. A number of experts talked about the fact that the power of their power plant is 1200-1300 HP. Given that the most powerful diesel on the production tanks of the Russian Federation has the power of the entire 1130 hp, this looks very serious. True, we still have the turbine T-80U, but ... these machines are heavier on 2-2,5 tons of T-72B3 tanks - the main tanks of the Russian Army and regular participants of the biathlon. Another disadvantage is the outdated LMS. On the upgraded T-72 - the OMS has been radically updated, but on that small number of upgraded T-80 that we have in the troops (T-80UE and T-80UA mainly in storage), only the night channel has been updated, and the Plissa thermal imaging sight installed there is already difficult to call modern. There is one more non-advertised reason that T-80U and its modifications are not exposed to participate in the biathlon. The fact is that when the Americans agreed to take part in the 2014 season competitions on their Abrams equipped with an 1500-strong GTD, in the Russian MO the people shattered a little - it's not a secret that, according to the organizers, only and exclusively Russian team. Therefore, ahead of time on the biathlon track, comparative tests of T-80U with GTD-1250, having a short-term forcing to 1400 hp, were conducted. and an upgraded T-72B tank with a B-92C2 diesel engine with 1000 horsepower. In the conditions of the existing route, both cars came "nostril to nostril", showing almost the same time. There was a difference not in seconds, not in tenths of a second in favor of the T-72. That is, the diesel of lower power, provided the tank with the same mobility as the more powerful turbine. This reassured the organizers of the competition. Well, then, due to the crisis in Ukraine, all military-technical cooperation with NATO was curtailed, the participation of the Americans was automatically excluded.

However, for safety net, Russia put out specially prepared for the biathlon tanks - T-72B3 "with additional options" - as they were called officially. In practice, it was one of the options for more advanced modernization, which UVZ svatalo MO, and biathlon was supposed to serve the purpose of advertising. For this reason, "Uralvagonzavodtsy" took care of these cars and their crews from the very beginning. Directly at the factory, their training was arranged, as during the war, the crews participated in the assembly, they were trained in the shooting range at the factory range and in the adjacent artillery range, the factory workers were engaged in maintenance, diagnostics and tuning of the tank systems. The most interesting thing is that the composition of the crews was determined in advance, even before the district finals! Thus, the upgraded T-72B3 with additional options was the most genuine specially created "biathlon" tank. True, it is in every way camouflaged, so to speak, to observe the appearance of some honesty. It was declared that the car was delivered to the troops - just like the Chinese did this year. They showed it at an exhibition in Minsk as an offer for export (although the same panoramic sight is still not something that is completely secret, but at least not advertised - at an exhibition in Nizhny Tagil, he stood at the stand under another sign for only one day, after which he was removed). In the press, in the absence of a digestible name, this tank was tentatively called T-72B3M or T-72B4 - the last from the factory index - "product 184-4". The same confusion with the name now and the Chinese. And the main feature, besides the commander panorama completely unnecessary on biathlon, was the installation of a B-72C3F engine (aka B-92) on T-2B93М. just the very maximum 1130 hp With him, with a mass of 44 tons, the tank had just excellent specific performance: - 25,7 hp / t. Only T-80U has more - 26,9, but as we know, “Ears” didn't help. And you know why? Because the biathlon track was specially designed for diesel tanks. GTE unwinds for a long time, and therefore does not like sudden acceleration and deceleration - the car with the turbine swallows on long straight sections. But short sections with many turns and obstacles are the lot of cars with diesel engines. Especially diesel engines with drive superchargers. By the way, this circumstance predetermined the good results of the teams performing on conventional T-72B with the B-84M engine (840 hp), on which instead of turbocharging stood the PNC. The Chinese then brought quite ordinary military ZTZ-96A, well, except that DZ did not equip. Naturally, with the 780 engine hp, these machines lagged behind the Russian more than a circle. By and large, the Chinese then purged the competition outright. But for political reasons, it was impossible to offend the "ally". According to this, the event organizers somewhat played along - they pulled it up and at the expense of the physical training of the crews, the Chinese then took the place of 3. But by nature, the Chinese really do not like to lose. To the losses they are very painful. In addition, considering themselves the "wisest and most intelligent" nation, they do not accept the advice of others and hate teachings.

Here it is necessary to step aside to say a few words about the competitions themselves. Official propaganda here presents them as a kind of innovative and even innovative approach to combat training. In fact, they have a very weak relation to real combat readiness. “Tank biathlon” is first of all political PR and a tool for building a pro-Russian military bloc. We don’t hide it very much, considering our biathlon as the "heir" of the NATO "Canadian Army Trophy", which took place in West Germany from 1963 to 1991 year. However, the trick is that the Canadian Army Cup is a thing of the past with the Cold War. The question is, why Russia, has begun to whip up new tensions, incite militaristic and pseudo-patriotic hysteria? In reality, no one threatens us militarily! It is profitable for Europe to do business with us - for them we are a big market. America, no matter how much thunder and lightning strike (politics, division of interests, economic competition, has not been canceled by anyone), but is not inclined to suicide either. The war with the USA is a guaranteed mutual nuclear annihilation. No matter what they say, war with the use of conventional means of destruction with the United States is impossible, if only because we have no common borders. Well, in fact, it would not be the United States to land troops from the Abrams on Chukotka ... it's just ridiculous! In Europe, the Baltic countries are a natural buffer. Even if the States transfer any significant forces there, they will not be able to conduct offensive operations due to logistical problems and the superiority of Russia in the air, including at the expense of air defense. So the US-NATO threat, in my opinion, is nothing more than a myth! But, after Russia started sagging weaponsincluding and in the "sports" field, NATO was simply forced to respond adequately. As a result, military tank competitions were also resumed in Europe. This year Strong Europe Tank Chellenge, and then the largest Anakonda-1989 since 2016, took place there. Once again, these events are only the answer to our “surprise checks” and “biathlon”. And the answer is more thoughtful and meets the goals of improving combat training. It is enough to compare the rules of the competition, their regulations. If everything is aimed at creating a beautiful show and PR effect, then this is a test of the real level of training. The most interesting thing is that in order to win in our biathlon, the crews simply have to go to violate the rules and instructions for operating the equipment. From here injuries of people and breakage of equipment. So, two tanks T-72B3М, after the biathlon had to actually write off. Now they are on the “Bui” Center of the Central Stock Market in the pending determination of their fate. The rest - about a dozen - T-72B3М, are also not used - are preserved in the Taman Division.

Returning to the Chinese - they quickly made a conclusion from the 2014 competitions of the year and came to the next ones more prepared. The use of specially prepared tanks by Russia in the 2014 year created a precedent. In 2015, China put out the same tanks, adapted to the conditions of the competition. I already wrote about this in the article “Tank for biathlon”, published in the magazine “Equipment and Armament” No. 1 for this, 2016 year.

A feature of the ZTZ-96A tanks, which performed in 2015, was their total relief coupled with an increase in the power of the power plant. That is, they took the path of increasing the power density of the tank. It is no secret that our Russian combat vehicles in the course of upgrades regularly put on weight. So, if the upgraded T-72B is still able to hold tons in the 44 parameters (+ 2-3%), and only due to the fact that no measures are being taken to enhance the body armor, then the upgraded T-90 has become heavier from 46 to 48 -49 tons, and the latest T-14 fully loaded pulls out about 53-55 tons. There are no systematic measures to optimize the mass, to facilitate the machines! The Chinese decided to do this, albeit only for sporting purposes. In addition, in 2015, they already had an 1000-strong diesel. This is despite the fact that the base machine - ZTZ-96A, judging by the load lines lit up on the railway platforms during transportation, had a ton weight of 42. How much it managed to reduce is not known. I can only give my estimated forecast - about 39 tons. What gives a specific indicator - about 25,6 hp / t - almost like T-72B3M a year earlier. Not surprisingly, in 2015, the Chinese biathlon tank "flew". And our military, as they say, "flowed over the poles." Having "written off" T-72B3M, at the last year's competition the Russian side gave all participants, well, except for China, the same standard T-72B3. So to say, corrected, in terms of "honesty." Although, of course, it was not necessary, because according to the rules, each participant can act on what he wants, on what he is armed with. Here, it seems to me, the major role was not played by “honesty”, but by the desire to advertise the modernization of the T-72 — after all, such tanks, only outdated models, are in service with practically all the participating countries, including Kuwait. The active support of the competition "Uralvagonzavod" has already affected - the company managed to conclude new contracts for modernization with the Russian Defense Ministry, now we need to boost the export direction.

What I hid and did not write in the article about the "biathlon tank," so this is one interesting fact that the Chinese did not take into account when preparing the machines, and which, as a result, allowed Russian tank crews not to be offended (it must be admitted that in spite of the separation from the realities of life, biathlon nevertheless revealed a very low level of training of our crews) - for over-lightened Chinese cars, as a result of the considerable dynamic overloads that appeared, the adjustment of instruments, mainly sights, began to fly at a progressive pace. Therefore, at the beginning of the competition they shot perfectly, and then they began to smear more and more. Eliminate the problem on the spot then failed. It was necessary to take constructive measures. Most likely, they have already been solved on those five machines that have now been unloaded in Alabino - otherwise the Chinese would not be Chinese.

As they further simplify their cars (by the way, some kind of hybrid between T-55, T-72 and T-80), they had nowhere to go, this time, they increased their mobility by installing a more powerful engine. What - is not known for certain. However, judging by the design of the MTO, and in particular the forage leaf - this is something that has German roots. Perhaps MB-871 1500 horsepower, as on the tank ZTZ-99, but most likely, something easier.



Judging by the MTO design, one can confidently say that the engine installed on the ZTZ-96B is seriously boosted by supercharging. This engine needs more air and, accordingly, a more efficient air cleaning system is needed. That is what we are seeing on the tank. VZU deflectors are installed in the baskets on the tower - air intake devices connected by a flexible corrugation to the entrance windows of two air cleaners. Let me remind you that on Russian T-72 / T-90 type tanks there is one air cleaner, and the air intake window is very small. Here, among the Chinese, there are not only two of them, but it is also clear that they have a much larger area. With increasing degree of supercharging, heat transfer to water and oil increases dramatically. Now the ZTZ-96B roof MTO - is a solid grille over the radiators, the front surface of which is significantly increased. For pumping cooling air through them in the aft part, two cooling system fans are installed. This solution dramatically increases the efficiency of the system. This solution was applied on our experimental tanks "object 187", "object 195" and even on the T-14 "Armata".



MTO ZTZ-96B practically copies the MTO solutions of these Russian machines. Like them, the new Chinese engine exhaust sided and redirected to the stern. Probably, like us, the gases pass through the heat exchanger-cooler at the outlet. But there is a difference, probably caused by the German origin of the engine - a huge exhaust window, covered with a grill in the stern sheet. This is done to reduce the output resistance. Of course, such decisions do not contribute to the growth of the combat stability of the car - you can’t fight a lot with the almost completely distributed stern, but such solutions can be used to achieve "sporting" results, under which, actually, the design of this tank was sharpened. Taking into account the experience of previous performances in biathlon, the Chinese refined the undercarriage - they used lightweight track rollers tested last year, shod the tank into new tracks (they had big problems earlier with the track), reworked the mount of the sloth, refined and adjusted the suspension.

Due to the installation of the new engine and systems, the tank was obviously heavier, but again, taking into account the previous relief, it did not seem to go beyond the 44-45 tons by weight, which, taking into account the engine in the 1200-1300, or maybe all 1500 hp makes him a dangerous competitor. Moreover, with such a machine, the Chinese have every chance to become favorites of “Tank biathlon-2016”. It is interesting, with the presence of such an opponent, whether our tankmen will decide to perform this year on standard T-72B3, or will they remove dust from T-72B3М from the hangars and shake it off?
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http://gurkhan.blogspot.ru/2016/07/ztz-96b.html#more
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  1. tulpar
    tulpar 22 July 2016 15: 53
    -14%
    And the Germans refused to take part, probably afraid
    1. seti
      seti 22 July 2016 15: 58
      +100
      US and NATO are not threatening us? Do you believe it yourself? "Russia is rattling its weapons" - this phrase is especially alarming.
      1. Khariton
        Khariton 22 July 2016 16: 01
        +22
        The Chinese entered the excitement ... Let's compete!
        1. Temples
          Temples 22 July 2016 16: 09
          +41
          The question is, why did Russia begin to escalate new tensions, incite militaristic and pseudo-patriotic hysteria?

          Ub.lyudok why is it posted here?
          Type of freedom of speech?
          Judging by the statements, his tongue is better suited for licking the lord's backside.
          1. lelikas
            lelikas 22 July 2016 16: 49
            +10
            Quote: Temples
            Ub.lyudok why is it posted here?
            Type of freedom of speech?
            Judging by the statements, his tongue is better suited for licking the lord's backside.

            Well, why immediately mister? Gurkhan has a very efficient blog, with lots of interesting things. Apparently a man got up on the wrong foot.
            But in essence of the article relating to technology, he correctly described everything.
            And also, I liked how the photo showed the increased dynamics of the tank :).
            1. Monarchist
              Monarchist 22 July 2016 17: 13
              +17
              As for the technique and how I determined the dynamics of the tank from the photograph, I am silent. Perhaps the author is a prodigy himself and his comrades are super smart people, but making NATO "white and fluffy" was clearly a hangover
              1. Altona
                Altona 22 July 2016 19: 49
                +4
                Quote: Monarchist
                I am silent about the technology and how I determined the dynamics of the tank from the photograph.

                --------------------
                In the photo there is junk. The chassis is the same T-72, the tower is a la "tiger-leopard". Well, some kind of "tuning", "sports" tank. Much also depends on the skill of the crew.
              2. BMP-2
                BMP-2 22 July 2016 20: 58
                +1
                The author is a psychic and a descendant of Alan Chumak: he can determine the dynamics from a photograph - it's like joining NATO! laughing
                1. Andrey K
                  Andrey K 22 July 2016 22: 46
                  +13
                  Quote: BMP-2
                  The author is a psychic and a descendant of Alan Chumak: he can determine the dynamics from a photograph - it's like joining NATO! laughing

                  This "Blokher" developed a vigorous activity. Below is one of his pearls. "Mows" under the liberal, but in fact pours mud on people and technology.
                  Gur Khan Jul 20, 2016 17:46 p.m.
                  "... If Russia stops whipping up militaristic hysteria, perhaps NATO will consider this possibility. But before speaking for this, you would better reveal in more detail the" NATO plans ": how much, where and what they have placed" grams. " You can take into account the composition of the national armies of neighboring states, which are part of the NATO that threatens you. And then compare with the number of at least one ZVO. I hope this will be enough to understand who is really threatening whom. Well, also estimate the chronology of NATO's "deployment" in comparison with the activity of our "peaceful" army ... At least according to media reports - more serious analytics are not required here. In general, I advise you to change the party - they cry for you on Igor Korotchenko's blog ... "

                  Here is the very "fifth column" for you. And it doesn't smell of any interest in technology. Exceptional denigration of Russia and Russian. No agreement or objection will be accepted ...
            2. basal
              basal 22 July 2016 17: 26
              +24
              And what does the technique have to do with it? Do you seriously think that KAMAZ trucks participating in rally raids have anything to do with production cars? Yeah, they have the same KAMAZ nameplate)))). Well, who said tanks are prohibited from tuning? Is it in the rules?

              Well, and that the author spread over the text - what are all the bastards? Incidentally, sporting events, in addition to advertising value, have the function of developing and testing new technical solutions. It is clear from the text that ours are developing and testing different options, and the Chinese have begun to do the same. Did they send papier-mâché tanks? No. You think ours is not interested in what they came up with? Can we begin to test tankers for doping? Yeah, the Chinese won, and we caught them in the toilet. Disqualification, damn it!

              Yes, let them have fun, if only there was no war !!!
              1. SSR
                SSR 22 July 2016 21: 49
                +7
                About Kamaz
                After repeated victories, the point of participation was only serial cars.
                Kamaz launched the car for the needs of the Ministry of Emergencies ..... the Ministry of Emergencies is enough - only you are unhappy.
                1. basal
                  basal 23 July 2016 14: 04
                  +1
                  Are you serious that serial cars are participating in rally raids? Perhaps they should go homologation, I do not argue, but in any case this is an exclusive project and piece assembly. By the way, the designers, workers and crews of KAMAZ have been proving to everyone for many years that they are the best in the world.

                  And I am dissatisfied with the fact that the author of the article diligently pursues the idea that the Russians were frightened of the Chinese and used dishonest methods. Yes, let the Chinese try, maybe they’ll finally come up with something sensible, they’ll not all do copying, then, look, we’ll learn.

                  In general, I see no reason to organize a sports competition from an interesting show. Tanks on the battlefield are competing. And not only among themselves. And here, well, let the guys ride, shoot for pleasure, I see no reason for tantrums.
              2. 78bor1973
                78bor1973 23 July 2016 09: 30
                +1
                You forgot about the logic that De Rooy is a constant participant in the rally, the car seems to have never been assembled in Russia, and it is not at all serial, but something cannot win in any way, MAN last won at the last Paris-Dakar before closing, they also seem to be on their own non-Russian, although there were times of ours on 406 "Moskvich" in international RALLY everyone did!
            3. Alekseev
              Alekseev 22 July 2016 20: 34
              +6
              Quote: lelikas
              Gurkhan has a very efficient blog

              Is it gurkhan?
              And for participation in the biathlon there must be standards: mass from and to, specific power is limited, otherwise it will come down to removing the armor by cutting or replacing body parts and forcing motors at the expense of the resource.
              Those. purely sports cars will compete
              1. Uryukc
                Uryukc 22 July 2016 21: 59
                +3
                Quote: Alekseev
                there must be standards

                It would be more interesting if only combat vehicles participated there without any tuning, but it seems that political will and control are needed for this.
          2. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 22 July 2016 17: 08
            +16
            Quote: Temples
            The question is, why did Russia begin to escalate new tensions, incite militaristic and pseudo-patriotic hysteria?

            Ub.lyudok why is it posted here?
            Type of freedom of speech?
            Judging by the statements, his tongue is better suited for licking the lord's backside.

            I went to his blog, yes ub ... doc. Commentators write that with a rotten little article, he snarls in response in a Ukrop-stubborn manner. He talks about "peaceful NATO".
          3. Psychologist
            Psychologist 22 July 2016 17: 08
            -33%
            Why, really hurts your eyes?
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 22 July 2016 21: 55
              +6
              Quote: Psychologist
              Why, really hurts your eyes?

              - oh, dear people, now we’ll draw you skulls, and you’ll be normal, you’ll be twice cranial-bones laughing
              Gurkhan is right - the Americans are not going to fight with Russia ... They are not going to. But to fight with Russia to the last Ukrainian, Pole or Baltic states-these are with pleasure. And they themselves don’t really need Russia itself - they want to repeat those nishtyaks who got into it during the Second World War, when from the terrible crisis six years before this war, they came to its end with an economy that is more than half the world’s. Gurkhan is too narrow-minded; he would have to talk about tanks and not bump into politics, because he does not petrify it at all. Shoemaker, reason no higher than the boot!
              Well, you, cranium, do not get alarmed when big uncles are talking.
          4. Psychologist
            Psychologist 22 July 2016 17: 08
            -13%
            Why, really hurts your eyes?
            1. quote
              quote 22 July 2016 17: 52
              +5
              Quote: Psychologist
              Why, really hurts your eyes?

              What a heartburn tortured?
            2. Proud.
              Proud. 22 July 2016 20: 32
              +4
              Quote: Psychologist
              Why, really hurts your eyes?

              Of course it cuts you.
          5. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris 25 July 2016 19: 31
            0
            Read, on the "cap" in red and white - .. different opinions are expressed .. "Well, the authors will praise everything that they get, it will get better in their souls? Although the article has a minus. this one gets paid to NATO ..
            Quote: Temples
            The question is, why did Russia begin to escalate new tensions, incite militaristic and pseudo-patriotic hysteria?

            Ub.lyudok why is it posted here?
            Type of freedom of speech?
            Judging by the statements, his tongue is better suited for licking the lord's backside.
        2. Terner38
          Terner38 22 July 2016 19: 32
          +1
          Can we find meldonium from them? Or at the extremes of mega some kind of rice? wink
          1. Uryukc
            Uryukc 22 July 2016 22: 02
            +2
            Quote: Terner38
            Can we find meldonium from them? Or at the extremes of mega some kind of rice?


            Ours, too, stretched out. And in FIG then such a competition? It’s better to agree to do without cheating and refine the standards.
        3. CALL.
          CALL. 23 July 2016 04: 34
          +2
          So the US-NATO threat, in my opinion, is nothing more than a myth! But, after Russia began to rattle weapons, incl. and in the "sports" field, NATO was simply forced to respond adequately.

          Accidentally NATO members accepted the countries of the former Warsaw Pact, the Baltic countries, armed Saakashvili and set her on us. They began to build missile defense areas against Iran, and all this was before Ukraine. They must be so peaceful. We saw their peacefulness in "sheep's clothing". And the strong is always powerless to blame !!!
        4. dima mzk
          dima mzk 25 July 2016 09: 43
          0
          Yes, they will again drag their pieces of metal stalled
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 22 July 2016 16: 48
        +8
        in Europe, military tank competitions were also resumed. This year, the Strong Europe Tank Chellenge took place there, and then the largest training exercise since 1989 "Anakonda-2016". I will note once again that these events are only a response to our "surprise checks" and "biathlon". Moreover, the answer is more thoughtful and meets the goals of improving combat training. To do this, it is enough to compare the rules of the competition, their regulations
        .
        If everything is aimed at creating a beautiful show and PR effect,
        then they have a check of the real level of training.
        and the author is gaavavnyuk ... yap. we saw in sterile conditions, they are dull ...
      3. gladcu2
        gladcu2 22 July 2016 17: 03
        +3
        set

        In political terms, the author may be mistaken, but in everything else she is not very poorly versed.

        Therefore, the article is definitely a plus.

        We must separately thank the Chinese for an honest concession, showing their tank for the competition.

        Surprised by their decision to put air filters on the tower. It seems there is a place under the tower. Apparently drove the tank in the wind tunnel and determined the place of least dust during movement.
        Yes, there will not swallow water. However, the mobility of the tower was limited.

        It looked like a tank for football, like in a potato ..
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 22 July 2016 17: 33
          -9
          If we do not consider the article from the point of view of politics, we can conclude that the author interestingly described the technical situation.

          But many commentators wedge on the mistakes of others. Therefore, I propose cons.

          You already decide what the article is about NATO or about the technical tricks that the organizers of the competition made it possible to admit.

          Either bring the rules in line or let's make "kartoshkin" tank football from virtual to reality.

          It's not pleasant for the minus. They see the "red rag" and lose their mind.

          This article is not about NATO, but about tanks.
          1. alexej123
            alexej123 22 July 2016 17: 57
            +9
            That is, let him write, let us "ignore" accusations of unleashing an arms race and tension? Well, they gave a slap in the face, substitute the other half, so that they would hit it too?
          2. Zulu_S
            Zulu_S 22 July 2016 18: 23
            +17
            Maybe the author needed to decide? And then the article seems to be about tanks, but if you look closely, about "Russian aggression".
          3. adept666
            adept666 22 July 2016 18: 50
            +7
            If we do not consider the article from the point of view of politics, we can conclude that the author interestingly described the technical situation.
            Yes, he wrote complete nonsense and this is just not considering the political color. Take for example this nonsense:
            Moreover, the answer is more thoughtful and consistent with the goals of improving combat training. To do this, it is enough to compare the rules of the competition, their regulations. If everything is aimed at creating a beautiful show and a PR effect, then they have to check the real level of training. The most interesting thing is that in order to win in our biathlon, the crews are simply forced to violate the rules and instructions for operating the equipment. Hence the injuries of people and the breakdown of equipment. So, two T-72B3M tanks, after biathlon, had to be actually written off.
            Everything is aimed at getting as close as possible for the participants, and the show is for the audience and there is nothing wrong with it: 1: the show collects spectators and money 2: the show popularizes the army among the younger generation 3: attracts new participants (compete and it’s always interesting to test your strengths without a real war with crews from other countries, to evaluate their level of moral, physical and military training). In addition, the selection for these competitions is held in all parts of the tank and there is already serious competition there, increased motivation to serve more responsibly, proactively and creatively. And it’s in a real battle that they violate the rules because the rules are not always = survival and completion of the task, and the injuries to the army in order to be able to withstand all this are not muscular girls in the car, but men and wars. Did the equipment break down? This means that its reliability is not at a sufficient level and this is a hello to the designers and technical personnel and this is once again to test it in real conditions of combat operation and draw the right conclusions
            You already decide what the article is about NATO or about the technical tricks that the organizers of the competition made it possible to admit.
            An article of confusion, therefore, it is about everything in general and about nothing in particular. And the fact that someone tunes his tanks in this is not shameful because in a war (God forbid) you can meet with someone like that.
          4. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel 22 July 2016 18: 51
            +8
            This article is not about NATO, but about tanks.
            This article is about that WE HAVE EVERYTHING BAD !!!
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 23 July 2016 22: 31
              +1
              Quote: Black Colonel
              This article is not about NATO, but about tanks.
              This article is about that WE HAVE EVERYTHING BAD !!!

              - And also about the fact that the Russians are yellow earthworms, i.e. aggressors laughing
          5. Foxmara
            Foxmara 24 July 2016 15: 34
            +1
            Quote: gladcu2
            If we do not consider the article from the point of view of politics, we can conclude that the author interestingly described the technical situation.

            Quote: gladcu2
            This article is not about NATO, but about tanks.

            For what purpose are you contradicting yourself? Spring is over, autumn is far away.
            From the point of view of technology, it is interesting, but this article is NOT ABOUT TANKS. And about what kind of Russians are dishonest, and NATO is peaceful. Everything else is just a technical canvas. The author writes well and understands technology, but the article is not about tanks. If about tanks, then that heavy political nonsense to which the inhabitants of VO sharply react would not exist at all. hi
        2. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 22 July 2016 18: 49
          +1
          Apparently drove the tank in the wind tunnel
          ... and put slotted slats with boosters.
      4. Monarchist
        Monarchist 22 July 2016 17: 04
        +12
        I agree with you: the author wrote with a hangover, or maybe he was thrown "green"? The entire course of history demonstrates what NATOmen are white and fluffy
      5. alexej123
        alexej123 22 July 2016 17: 15
        +15
        The same "fuse". As an analysis of a specialist - I'm wondering, I wanted to give a plus. The "Russian saber rattling" struck me in the eyes - that is, we openly sponsored, supported bloody coups all over the world, "fucked up" peacekeepers with a UN mandate (South Ossetia) from hailstones and tanks. Author, where do you live? Result - article MINUS.
      6. Ramzaj99
        Ramzaj99 22 July 2016 17: 40
        +8
        I have not read the greater heresy for a long time.
        The article was written by a couch strategist, with wild imagination)))
      7. demchuk.ig
        demchuk.ig 22 July 2016 18: 02
        +5
        Quote: seti
        US and NATO are not threatening us? Do you believe it yourself? "Russia is rattling its weapons" - this phrase is especially alarming.
        Reply Quote Report Abuse

        Unclear article, in terms of coverage of our position in relations with the West.
      8. dauria
        dauria 22 July 2016 18: 18
        +3
        The US and NATO are not threatening us? Do you believe this author yourself?


        This author needs a neighbor in the country with a double-barreled gun (and even a drinker). And so that after the "bubble" and shooting at the crows he would assure him of respect, love and eternal friendship. NATO has the potential - enough to consider it as a potential adversary. Even if they kiss passionately, the army will have to cook.
      9. 78bor1973
        78bor1973 23 July 2016 09: 35
        +2
        Just about for an afftor, until a rocket arrives at his house, there is no threat!
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 22 July 2016 16: 05
      +17
      Worthy rivals are only good. Lose, we will draw conclusions and improve!
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 22 July 2016 16: 42
      +4
      ZTZ-96B - application for victory
      - more interesting. among the 72x, we support the crews, and now also the equipment. the Chinese are great, they don’t complex, but draw conclusions.
    4. Lukich
      Lukich 22 July 2016 17: 33
      +3
      Quote: tulpar
      And the Germans refused to take part, probably afraid

      Yes, they will not allow the elementary Phasington Regional Committee
    5. Ronino
      Ronino 22 July 2016 18: 32
      +3
      Yes, in 1941 they already tried ...
    6. The comment was deleted.
    7. neri73-r
      neri73-r 22 July 2016 18: 34
      +2
      tulpar DE Today, 15:53
      And the Germans refused to take part, probably afraid


      Yes, nuuu, they are, as it were, in "friends", well, in the sense, in the senior vassals they appear among the exceptional and also believe that there is nothing to compete with the dust of the Slavic (such as subhuman)! All the best Western ....... they believe in it !!!!!! wassat
    8. Rozmyssel
      Rozmyssel 5 October 2016 14: 54
      0
      Is Russia to blame? And the fact that NATO bases are moving towards the borders of Russia in Poland, Czechoslovakia, the Baltic states of Romania, is it Russia’s fault, and is it that the Americans are smart in Ukraine, as they want, should Russia also turn a blind eye?
      This journalist who had been paid would have to moderate his ardor in the stream of anti-Russian accusations, he is still far from the Clintonshe, but he needs to filter the top, such "experts".
  2. Andrewgross
    Andrewgross 22 July 2016 15: 58
    +6
    A special feature of the ZTZ-96A tanks, which performed in 2015, was their total relief in the compartment with an increase in power

    They did nothing in the compartment with them. "Together" in the meaning "simultaneously" or "together" is written together.
    1. Igor V
      Igor V 22 July 2016 18: 46
      +1
      Grammar mistakes a whole bucket. I would like to wish the author to take a high school course in Russian.
  3. Vik66
    Vik66 22 July 2016 15: 59
    +18
    Technically and technologically competent article, however, it’s unpleasant to read how ate soaps ...
    1. Psychologist
      Psychologist 22 July 2016 17: 07
      -15%
      really hurts your eyes?
      1. Zulu_S
        Zulu_S 22 July 2016 18: 06
        +4
        Edit nick, change to truth
    2. Psychologist
      Psychologist 22 July 2016 17: 07
      -12%
      really hurts your eyes?
      1. Zulu_S
        Zulu_S 22 July 2016 18: 08
        0
        Psychologist RU Today, 17:07 ↑ New
        really hurts your eyes?
        Edit nick, change to truth
      2. 79807420129
        79807420129 23 July 2016 03: 58
        +8
        Quote: Psychologist
        really hurts your eyes?

        Quote: Psychologist
        really hurts your eyes?

        Quote: Psychologist
        Why, really hurts your eyes?

        Quote: Psychologist
        Why, really hurts your eyes?

        You, murderer, is the poor fellow stuck? Or are you stuttering?
    3. Monarchist
      Monarchist 22 July 2016 17: 14
      +2
      True definition
    4. Zulu_S
      Zulu_S 22 July 2016 18: 18
      +1
      I can’t assess literacy, but the aftertaste from the article is unpleasant.
  4. uskrabut
    uskrabut 22 July 2016 16: 14
    +4
    On the other hand, tank biathlon is an excellent platform for developing innovations. By the principle of formula-1. First run on biathlon machines, and then implement on serial. There is nothing wrong with that, and advertising your equipment will not hurt.
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 22 July 2016 16: 34
      +7
      I didn’t understand one thing - among the Chinese, the tower doesn’t rotate ?!
      Simply, judging by the photo - it is!
      1. Fregate
        Fregate 22 July 2016 17: 24
        -3
        Quote: psiho117
        I didn’t understand one thing - among the Chinese, the tower doesn’t rotate ?!
        Simply, judging by the photo - it is!

        It seems like that.)) Maybe it has a small angle of rotation, if only to tighten a little to the target?
        1. lysyj bob
          lysyj bob 22 July 2016 17: 38
          +5
          The tank was specially tailored for "sports" purposes. Hence the placement of air filters on the tower. Connecting pipes are visible under the tower. In biathlon, a large turn of the tower is not needed, it is enough to turn a couple of degrees when firing, and the tank goes along the track with a forward looking tower.
          PS Well, now sports tanks have appeared ...
          1. Igor V
            Igor V 22 July 2016 18: 50
            +3
            No fi ha. They shoot there, including in movement with the rotation of the tower.
            1. Fregate
              Fregate 22 July 2016 19: 24
              -1
              Quote: Igor V
              No fi ha. They shoot there, including in movement with the rotation of the tower.

              So this time the Chinese did not take this moment into account.))
            2. lysyj bob
              lysyj bob 22 July 2016 23: 33
              0
              Quote: Igor V
              They shoot there, including in movement with the turn of the tower


              So they consider the short-term shutdown of filters not critical, probably. This is one Chinese god knows.
  5. Alex_Tug
    Alex_Tug 22 July 2016 16: 16
    +1
    What to guess on coffee grounds. Let's see and evaluate. (you can look at the article for a campaign, now read freshly).
  6. erased
    erased 22 July 2016 16: 18
    +18
    And why did the author, in an article on technology, embody his vision of politics, even accuse Russia of aggression? This is so that it is easier to read about the Chinese, or that everyone nods at the machine - yes, they say, ay-yi, what we are! .. Uninterested ...
    Each country prepares for top-level competitions. And even applies forbidden techniques, the example of not allowing our athletes to the Olympics is obvious here.
    But why is the special training of the T-72 equated to "dishonesty"? Maybe we should speak at BT-7? Or on a cart? We put the best, albeit not serial. And everyone would do that, not just the Chinese, if they could. But everyone (EVERYONE!) Takes our tanks. They also do not want to lose dry. And it is right.
    The technical review is interesting, but the second layer of the article makes you wonder - why is it for the author? Huh?
    1. Igor V
      Igor V 22 July 2016 18: 53
      +1
      Probably in order to earn money.
  7. Abbra
    Abbra 22 July 2016 16: 22
    +18
    I found the author of this opus, Aleksey Khlopotov, who writes a blog about tankers. The very first question that he was mockingly asked at the forum was this: "It turns out that all NATO plans to deploy troops near our borders are a response to the militaristic pseudo-patriotic tank biathlon! Alexey tell me as an analyst, if Russia does not conduct tank biathlon, will NATO have to withdraw its troops?"

    A robust and moderately sarcastic question.

    Of course, there are interesting facts in the article (and is it facts?). But it is saturated with something rotten. It was as if a donkey walking past a chamomile in a field (I apologize for the metaphor). However, the floor is for professionals. And in the end - the final word will be said by the results of biathlon!
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 22 July 2016 17: 13
      +6
      And here is Alexei's answer: If Russia stops whipping up militaristic hysteria, perhaps NATO will consider this possibility as well. But before speaking for this, you would better reveal in more detail the "plans of NATO": how much, where and what they have placed "grams". To the heap you can take into account the composition of the national armies of neighboring states, which are part of the NATO that threatens you. And then compare with the number of at least one ZVO. I hope this will be enough to understand who is really threatening whom. Well, also estimate the chronology of NATO's "deployment" in comparison with the activity of our "peaceful" army ... At least according to media reports, more serious analysis is not required here. In general, I advise you to change the party - they cry for you on Igor Korotchenko's blog ...
      I think everything is clear to everyone ..?
      1. Abbra
        Abbra 22 July 2016 17: 31
        +1
        Listen33 Watcher, it’s you who went in the wrong direction! After the Cold War, the chronology of lies and hypocrisy of NATO and the West in general with regard to Russia exceeded and exceeds all permissible coefficients.

        They tolerated us relatively when we were drab and wretched, and patiently looked at Yeltsin's drunken dances.

        And now - a different story. Another time. Other layouts. Judging by your sayings, WE threaten NATO?

        Before going to bed, I advise you to sing more often, at least to yourself, a song to the words of E. Yevtushenko "Do Russians want wars?"

        And with regard to advice, where and with whom I communicate, and where "they cry for you," I will somehow decide myself. And where do you come from such clever guys? Are you, by any chance, a product of Chubais's "nanotechnology"?
        1. alexej123
          alexej123 22 July 2016 18: 01
          +3
          The observer gave the answer of the "author" of the article to the question. And in the end he asks us, did it become clear to us for "aftor" Khlopotov? And you, without understanding, began to throw up cons.
          1. Abbra
            Abbra 23 July 2016 08: 13
            +1
            Aaaaaaaaaaaaaa ... So let dear 33 WatcherBefore giving out comments, I will once again go over the Russian language textbook, where they learn to put quotes, commas, dots, etc. in the right place.
      2. alexej123
        alexej123 22 July 2016 17: 53
        0
        And why are you minus? Shown "aftor" in all its glory.
      3. Thompson
        Thompson 22 July 2016 20: 59
        +1
        One minus mine. I did not immediately notice the meaning of the last phrase. Quarrel
  8. maxim1987
    maxim1987 22 July 2016 16: 23
    +3
    Now the ZTZ-96B MTO roof is a continuous grille over radiators, the front surface of which is significantly increased

    one Molotov cocktail and a mustache
  9. maxim1987
    maxim1987 22 July 2016 16: 23
    +3
    Now the ZTZ-96B MTO roof is a continuous grille over radiators, the front surface of which is significantly increased

    one Molotov cocktail and a mustache
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 22 July 2016 18: 19
      +1
      Quote: maximNNX
      one Molotov cocktail and a mustache

      Any Usa tank, if you get close to it, the choice of tools is wide and varied, from throwing shirts on surveillance devices to a grenade at the barrel of a gun. Only try to get close first if you are not fools and the tank is operating with infantry cover
  10. Skubudu
    Skubudu 22 July 2016 16: 23
    +2
    Sly Chinese, next year plastic armor will be hung to reduce weight ....
  11. HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 22 July 2016 16: 23
    0
    Interestingly, tanks without Chinese escorts? Or is it carefully masked, or do they hide nothing from us?
  12. Arikkhab
    Arikkhab 22 July 2016 16: 25
    +14
    1) "a number of photos clearly showed a significantly increased dynamics of cars" - at least the author understood what he wrote? How can you assess the dynamics from the photo, especially increase it?
    2) 'Our official propaganda presents them as a kind of innovative and even innovative approach to combat training. "Tank Biathlon" is, first of all, a political PR and a tool for putting together a pro-Russian military bloc "
    it seemed to me that "Tank Biathlon" is primarily a show ....
    1. jjj
      jjj 22 July 2016 16: 52
      0
      Quote: ArikKhab
      it seemed to me that "Tank Biathlon" is primarily a show ....

      And then people get into a rage and really chopped
    2. Abbra
      Abbra 22 July 2016 17: 46
      +1
      And poorly to send "Merkava" to biathlon?
      1. MACCABI-TLV
        MACCABI-TLV 22 July 2016 23: 46
        -2
        what else, it’s a combat and not a circus car.
        1. alexej123
          alexej123 23 July 2016 10: 02
          +2
          Ah, got it. So T-72 in Syria and the Donbass circus somersaults gives out. I think that this is barmaleia and Ukrainian fascists from Teshek so bounce and disassemble into parts.
  13. Amurets
    Amurets 22 July 2016 16: 25
    +1
    I will not fully or partially quote the article. The review was done successfully. I want to note only that at such competitions, as well as on Formula 1, new technical solutions for serial cars are honed and most likely, in addition to improving racing cars, the Chinese will solve the problem of choosing the MTO for promising tank. Biathlon in Alabino contributes to this.
  14. Swed
    Swed 22 July 2016 16: 28
    +2
    Everyone has their own military tricks, but the article exposes everything in such a way that Russia frankly cheats. This is not true. Healthy competition is always good for both China and Russia.
  15. Machete
    Machete 22 July 2016 16: 31
    +5
    Technically well described.
    But ...
    If you believe the author, we ourselves are to blame for the fact that NATO is tearing to our borders, and almost tank biathlon is to blame ...
  16. SeregaBoss
    SeregaBoss 22 July 2016 16: 32
    +6
    the trick is that the Canadian Army Cup is a thing of the past along with the Cold War. The question arises, why did Russia begin to whip up new tensions, stir up militaristic and pseudo-patriotic hysteria? In reality, in the military sense, no one threatens us!
    Well, how to say it is not threatening, stupidly ready to destroy. A Pro in Romania and Poland is being built for skeet.
  17. Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 22 July 2016 16: 34
    0
    We look forward to the next time plastic tanks without hatches, such as Formula 1 Light tanks are something. And why not at least put 90? Abrams with uranium armor and gift are not needed.
  18. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 22 July 2016 16: 36
    +3
    What I hid and did not write in the article about the "biathlon tank" is one interesting fact that the Chinese did not take into account when preparing the vehicles, and which, as a result, allowed the Russian tankers not to disgrace (it must be admitted that despite the realities of life, biathlon still revealed a very low level of training of our crews)
    This is a little incomprehensible, but who then tall ???
    And another question, how can one conclude on the type of installed diesel engine on the back of the MTO ??? Only on the basis of good cooling? Feeling, the author got acquainted with the tips, but he doesn’t understand the essence. By the way, about the higher mobility of Chinese tanks compared to 72 I heard before biathlon 2015.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 22 July 2016 17: 10
      +1
      Quote: Dimon19661
      And another question, how can one conclude on the type of installed diesel engine on the back of the MTO ??? Only on the basis of good cooling? Feeling, the author got acquainted with the tips, but he doesn’t understand the essence. By the way, about the higher mobility of Chinese tanks compared to 72 I heard before biathlon 2015.

      I agree with you completely. Any highly accelerated diesel engine requires efficient cooling. Not only coolant and oil, but also cooling charge air.
  19. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 22 July 2016 16: 50
    +3
    Despite the detailed technical engineering arguments (I will not talk about knowledge) of the author, for his ugly arguments about Russia, the article is minus.
    Let's look at the "Chinese miracle". Maybe it's a plywood vaabche with a 2000 l / s engine?
  20. silver_roman
    silver_roman 22 July 2016 16: 53
    +13
    I read the article with pleasure, I think I’ll put it as +, the author is beautiful, and then babaaaaaah:
    The question is, why did Russia begin to escalate new tensions, incite militaristic and pseudo-patriotic hysteria?

    belay
    War with the USA is a guaranteed mutual nuclear destruction.

    Have you heard about missile defense? I think you are an erudite and knowledgeable person, it makes no sense to suck the essence of missile defense as an offensive system 100500 times. The ground can operate as strike complexes at the locations of our strategic nuclear forces, and the BIUS AJIS, along with the RIM - ** missiles, are caught by our ICBMs in the upper stages. So much effort and money is not thrown out for the sake of PR.

    But yes, we are pumping, on our territory we are chasing tanks. Are you fucked up, peace-loving Myrikans at the border are already mobilizing battalions, digging mines with all your hands with shovels to fight Iran, Korea ... and dandruff ?!
    Really, militarily, no one is threatening us

    Well, yes, in the 17th century they went, 18 went, on the 20th go to us, but at 21st, nonsense, they won’t come, why do they need all this?
    in short, the author, it feels like you have schizophrenia. No offense!

    But, after Russia began to rattle weapons, incl. and in the "sports" field, NATO was simply forced to respond adequately

    Reply???? ANSWER b ** ???? Who swore NATO not to expand? This is not saber rattling in your opinion? Chechen wars, "Kursk", terrorist attacks in the Russian Federation, Georgia, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, UKRAINE ... do these words mean anything to you? And you dare to write such nonsense ?????? sorry for the censorship on the site!
    1. Abbra
      Abbra 22 July 2016 17: 48
      +2
      Respected silver_roman ! Correctly you noticed and appreciated everything.
  21. Psychologist
    Psychologist 22 July 2016 16: 54
    -16%
    A good article, without hatred. What is especially lately famous for any mention of the army of the Russian Federation.
    Especially delivered truthful: it is no secret that in the "Tank Biathlon", according to the organizers' plan, only and exclusively the Russian team should win.
    I remember how in the first biathlon ours rode on the most modern tank, and all rivals were given outdated junk.
    I hope this time the Chinas show themselves. It’s not good for us to see all the fools and handshakes. So one day you can run into a lot. This is what Song Ji said.
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 22 July 2016 17: 08
      +2
      Quote: Psychologist
      It was especially true that it was no secret that in the "Tank Biathlon", according to the plan of the organizers, only and exclusively the Russian team should win.

      and you never wonder why the Greeks, who are not particularly in football, win Euro 2004, the Japanese and Koreans are very worthy (far from typical), taking the World Cup in 2002?
      Now the French have taken the Euro at home, although the French team is already a favorite, but nonetheless.

      That, and it seems to me, it is better to build your weapons in this way, and not like the Yankees, starting a war and destroying hundreds of thousands of people!
      1. Psychologist
        Psychologist 22 July 2016 17: 11
        -8
        PR is a million times more effective if it is HONEST!
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 22 July 2016 17: 48
          +4
          OL by definition cannot be honest. Imposing your opinion (products) on a potential "client" through marketing and other manipulations. By the way, like marketing, PR was created in the west, and the west came to that. what is more profitable to bomb the country into the Stone Age, and then make them pay for their products. You can still make a revolution. An example is Saudi Arabia.
        2. Zulu_S
          Zulu_S 22 July 2016 17: 52
          +3
          Quote: Psychologist
          PR is a million times more effective if it is HONEST!

          Honest, it seems this is not about you, respectable.
      2. Psychologist
        Psychologist 22 July 2016 17: 11
        -8
        PR is a million times more effective if it is HONEST!
      3. alexej123
        alexej123 23 July 2016 10: 05
        0
        The Portuguese took the euro, the French at home only cried.
  22. Mentat
    Mentat 22 July 2016 17: 14
    +4
    From the article, it’s not just a darling, but frankly lures.

    The question is, why did Russia begin to escalate new tensions, incite militaristic and pseudo-patriotic hysteria?

    The question is, are such authors and such articles on the VO needed?

    This message is masked under a pile of text: "Russia is fueling militaristic hysteria."
    1. Psychologist
      Psychologist 22 July 2016 17: 22
      -8
      And you only need custom articles, how is everything pistol in mother Russia?
      On the contrary, such critical articles need as much as possible !!!
      1. Zulu_S
        Zulu_S 22 July 2016 18: 02
        +6
        Where did you find criticism there? There, paragraphs are just woof napolshchina. Forward to the echo. There they are waiting with open arms. What did you forget here?
    2. Psychologist
      Psychologist 22 July 2016 17: 22
      -4
      And you only need custom articles, how is everything pistol in mother Russia?
      On the contrary, such critical articles need as much as possible !!!
      1. alexej123
        alexej123 22 July 2016 18: 08
        +6
        So their SHAFT - read the builds, the schmilds are different and you will be satisfied. Everything you have will be MENTALLY. Change your nickname to RUSOFOB. You position yourself honest? So it will be HONEST.
  23. Zulu_S
    Zulu_S 22 July 2016 17: 16
    +4
    Again Russia threatens the whole world?
    How do some authors have the conscience to squeeze an ideological lining with a doc into the articles of interest of a completely technical plan? Conscience for this is not necessary. Rather, its complete absence is required!
    There is a huge MINUS for this article !!!
  24. Backfire
    Backfire 22 July 2016 17: 18
    +5
    The author began to disassemble the Chinese tank, but then for some reason moved to Russia where is the point?
    1. alexej123
      alexej123 23 July 2016 10: 08
      0
      So in "Bad Russia" was the main point of the article. The rest is just to attract the attention of people interested in tanks.
  25. Psychologist
    Psychologist 22 July 2016 17: 23
    -13%
    The point is that if someone starts playing dishonestly (as Russia did in 2014), then the rest will start to do the same.
  26. Rustam009
    Rustam009 22 July 2016 17: 40
    +1
    It is necessary to introduce doping control and remove the Chinese laughing
  27. Monarchist
    Monarchist 22 July 2016 17: 48
    +1
    The article left some sort of ambiguous impression: the author seems to be constantly trying to evaluate the merits of the tanks participating in the competitions. On the other hand, there is an attempt to accuse the Russian Federation of unleashing a new arms race and of cheating. Such a feeling that the article was specially paid for by our "well-wishers". Now regarding the ZTZ96B: in my opinion, there may be another point of view and therefore we will wait. A request to respond to specialists, and in Idial a biathlon participant
  28. imugn
    imugn 22 July 2016 17: 53
    +3
    He contradicts himself: first he says that tank biathlon has nothing to do with combat training, then - that this is our NATO provocation, then NATO exercises in Europe that meet "the goals of improving combat training"
    I didn’t read further - I want to spit on such an article
  29. Psychologist
    Psychologist 22 July 2016 18: 09
    -10%
    Yeah, still pray and sprinkle your eyes with holy water, maybe the truth will stop cutting your eyes.

    On the other hand, an attempt to accuse the Russian Federation ..... of cheating

    And why blame, only the blind did not see how in 2014 we all "honestly" galloped on the most sophisticated tank. It may be enough to close our eyes to the openly unsportsmanlike behavior of our team.
    I’ll see how our people roll, if the biathlon is muddied in China.

    It seems that the article was specially paid for by our "well-wishers".

    Not tired of seeing the State Department’s machinations everywhere? How are you then different from Ukrainians in all seeing Putin's hand?
  30. vasek-3180
    vasek-3180 22 July 2016 18: 26
    0
    Can someone tell me why not put t-90s on biathlon?
    1. alexej123
      alexej123 22 July 2016 19: 24
      0
      I think not many countries have it.
  31. Furious bambr
    Furious bambr 22 July 2016 18: 33
    +5
    Leave photos, and delete the fucking article!
  32. kov123
    kov123 22 July 2016 19: 09
    +4
    There is doubt about the technical information provided. The author is now at the level of the "head of the GBTU", now at the level of the "chief engineer of the Chinese team." Paphos and the Compilation of Tank Information, seasoned with phrases from the State Department manual ...
  33. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 22 July 2016 19: 32
    0
    Immediately you can see the German design - does it hurt like the "tigers" of the Second World War of Ferdinand Porsche? Well, wait - let's look at this miracle - Yuda German - Chinese in "business" ?!
  34. APASUS
    APASUS 22 July 2016 19: 38
    +1
    If you do not touch on that part of the nonsense that the author allowed himself to do with the whitewashing of NATO, then I would like the Americans, Germans, and French to take part in this competition on their equipment. Of course, there is a watered economy who will buy losing tanks, but not everything depends on the piece of iron .
    In fact, there is a crew competition, not a tank biathlon, then all of our tanks were, but the appearance of the Chinese should also reveal technical solutions, as in the -1 formula of the Designers Cup!
  35. Brigadier
    Brigadier 22 July 2016 20: 18
    +6
    It looks like the article was written by some Maidan's pravopitek, the "facts" are too biased, and the installation is clearly visible to latent belittling the capabilities of our machines when juggling words about their performance characteristics ...
    But the author for some reason (I suppose - intentionally) forgot that a "tank" is not only a power plant, which is mainly written about here, but also the totality of all other elements ...
    The phrase - "speed, armor, fire" should always be understood only in aggregate, and not in isolation from each other, as we clearly see in this article. But it is precisely this "aggregate" that makes our enemies terribly afraid of our tanks and scream about possible Russian "tank breakthroughs" through Suwalki and other places!
    And if you focus only on the power of the car, it will turn out like in a parable, when three blind sages tried to explain what an elephant is, touching it for different places separately ...
  36. ingenera
    ingenera 22 July 2016 20: 41
    +3
    Great review. Only or not the tankman wrote or not about that. It's about tank biathlon, right? And what have the sights, the LMS and the engine power? No, if you smear all the time, and then cut the penalty circles, then speed is needed, of course. In general, judging by the fact. as we were taught, this is not shooting, but comedy. From a place, from a flat concrete platform, with good visibility, at ridiculous distances. In 1971-73, we did the same on the T-34-85 and T-55. Yes, in KDVO then there was such a technique. With a miss from the gun - the score was 2 points and the machine gun could no longer shoot. And the anti-aircraft machine gun (DShK) was shot not at a fucking shield, depicting a helicopter. and on a rocket on a parachute. Bullshit this tank biathlon. Although spectacular.
  37. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 22 July 2016 21: 03
    +1
    Some of the intricacies of the fifth column, and how cleverly it hones, but we know about ideological processing. Very many understood this. Our bread lives with us and it is blasphemed. What will we do?
  38. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 22 July 2016 21: 06
    +3
    1) Tanks are inflated with meldonium! Deprive them of gold medals in years through 5!
    2) A tuned car (with a good mechanic) will tear apart a sports car several orders of magnitude more expensive.
    3) How I envy our narrow-eyed brothers (given the number of victims (!) During our conflicts for 500-600 years, they are definitely brothers to us, without a "star") !! Put a bolt all over the world (copyright? Technology? Ugh on you!).
    Tank biathlon is just a comparison of ratings, without combat use.
    I am proud of my ancestors, who won the most important "tank biathlon": they tore the most technologically advanced and cool (at that time) tank troops (technologies?) Of the union of the gay European states (the then EU) to shreds with our "poor" and "primitive" tanks (airplanes, machine guns, cannons, etc.).

    Well, where is your much-praised technology? Which crashed to dust about our grandfathers, fathers and great-grandfathers?
    Ps I apologize: a lot of confusion and emotions, a little away from the topic: Friday, evening, bubble, etc.
    Let them feel cool (putting tuned cars against serial cars), but we remember: a month (1945) was enough for our grandfathers for the super-cool Japanese group (which "blighted" all of China (every 10 times more in population) for several years , ceased to exist ...
  39. Poplar505
    Poplar505 22 July 2016 21: 38
    +1
    1. Why, referring to the fact that the rivals T-72 is not in service, do the Chinese appear on tanks of their own production?
    2. Why are competition rules forbidden for each country to perform on the latest domestic cars?
    3. Of course, - the training of the crews of the tank will be mildly worthless. 12 months of service is about nothing. (in the missile division, the so-called Topol mech-water MAZ-543 received the necessary driving skills and maintenance of the fixed unit only after 13-14 months of service, moreover, the first 6 months: give the key, wipe it here, keep it here, keep it here - it's in the most optimal version. So the crew is only contract soldiers ??? So we are fooling ourselves !!!
    4. So this biathlon is just bullshit and it does not give a real picture either about the state of military equipment (it is "spoiled" in order to make it ....), nor about the quality of preparation of combat crews, nor about a possible combat situation on the field battle.
    5. And if we recognize all this "kitchen" from the inside, then we will begin to spit.
    Or am I wrong?
  40. Wasiliy1985
    Wasiliy1985 22 July 2016 21: 53
    +2
    Chet nonsense begins from the very second paragraph of the article:
    1) As for "Ushka" it did not help. And you know why? Because the biathlon track was specially designed for diesel tanks. The GTE spins up for a long time, and therefore does not like sharp acceleration and deceleration - a car with a turbine flies like a swallow on long straight sections. But short sections with many turns and obstacles are the lot of cars with diesel engines, especially diesel engines with driven superchargers.By the way, this circumstance predetermined good results of the teams that performed on conventional T-72B with a V-84M engine (840hp). which instead of turbocharging was PNTs. " - complete crap !!!
    At work, a colleague - a mechanic drive of a turbine T-80, tells the delivery of a course problem: "Gas to the floor, the turbine spins up to screeching, I let go of the" mountain ", while the box is on the second. hatch-on combat) !!!
    As for the T-80, you can read from Murakhovsky. (Not Marakhovsky, namely Murakhovsky).
  41. Berkut24
    Berkut24 22 July 2016 21: 58
    +1
    Something tells me that for an existing far from smooth and even competition strip, an engine for 1500 horses is an overkill. Arabs a couple of years ago on this highway and with an engine of 780 horses managed to topple their T-72s onto the tower on a bend.
    1. Uryukc
      Uryukc 22 July 2016 22: 11
      +1
      Quote: Berkut24
      Something tells me that for the existing far from smooth and even competition strip the engine for 1500 horses


      + wild fuel consumption, increased wear and a biting price tag of the engine. All these tunings will turn the tank biathlon Formula 1 with shooting.
      1. Berkut24
        Berkut24 23 July 2016 10: 55
        +1
        Yes, to hell with it, with wear. There is enough fuel for one stage, the tank can be filled for a quarter. For the Chinese, driving away several stages to advertise their boxes is enough.
        In a combat vehicle, the balance of "necessity - sufficiency - price" characteristics is important. The Chinese in life are in some kind of eternal experiment, as with gadgets. It seems to work, but in some places there is some sort of overkill with sparkles and incomprehensible bells and whistles, which, in fact, is called Chinese.
        1. Uryukc
          Uryukc 23 July 2016 21: 42
          0
          Yes, I mean, I would like to see a competition of battle tanks, and not something that just reminds them in appearance. I agree about the Chinese, it’s not even Chinese, but the Far East as a whole (Koreans, Japanese, etc.).
  42. Victor Wolz
    Victor Wolz 22 July 2016 22: 18
    0
    It would be nice if T-90 and T-80 took part in our teams, for example Russia-1 (on T-72) Russia-2 (on T-80) and Russia-3 (on T-90). Of course, you can equalize the chances by T-72 extra seconds.
  43. warriordima
    warriordima 22 July 2016 22: 21
    +1
    The author is Russophobe, but when he mentions Russia for some reason he writes "our", hmm. it's strange how you can consider yourself a part of the people and at the same time throw mud at it, some kind of cognitive dissonance.

    P.S-Modernized T-80 I would also like to see at the future biathlon.))
  44. SAA
    SAA 23 July 2016 00: 26
    +2
    Strange article. As if the author is trying to prove that in any sport we have doping. That in ordinary competitions, that of the military. This is how myths are born.
  45. iouris
    iouris 23 July 2016 00: 49
    0
    Both tanks and tankers must be subjected to doping control.
    1. Zlyden.Zlo
      Zlyden.Zlo 23 July 2016 08: 59
      0
      If only they didn’t get hooked on meldonium lol
  46. Zlyden.Zlo
    Zlyden.Zlo 23 July 2016 08: 58
    +2
    After reading this article, there is a desire to immediately wash your hands. There is only one wish for the affector to leave for enlightened Europe and enjoy democracy and tolerance.
  47. Titsen
    Titsen 23 July 2016 09: 57
    0
    Quote: SAA
    Strange article. As if the author is trying to prove that in any sport we have doping. That in ordinary competitions, that of the military. This is how myths are born.


    Not a weird, but rather a haunted and very unpatriotic article.

    Some kind of stink pulled the Canadian-Americanos ...
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 5 October 2016 18: 14
      0
      Not just patriotic.
      Patriotism is purely monetary. In the currency of payment.
      I just want to live in comrade in America, but I don’t have to do nichrome like on my sofa.
  48. Lord_Bran
    Lord_Bran 23 July 2016 11: 42
    +3
    I can catch the author lying at least three times, as I was on the Biathlon twice, lived next to the tankers of all participating countries and talked a lot:
    - Ours did not learn to drive tanks in factories, because ours had one conscript in one crew, and two in the second. And they came from their districts according to the test results. Is it a precise information.
    - The Chinese are VERY bad at owning their cars. VERY. Only the Mongols are steeper than them, who in the first biathlon sank two tanks in a ditch. Plus (or rather, minus) - the Chinese technique is extremely unreliable. The caterpillars alone break regularly. And the engines praised by the author often fail, which forces the Chinese to call a "remka" on the field, which is why they are waiting for an incredibly long time.
    - ALL participants are invited to come in their cars. Everyone, except the Chinese, rent cars from us, from the Moscow Region. They don’t bring their cars. Nobody bothers them to finish their chariots and tear everyone and everything. But - for some reason - they’re not being taken.
    So, lied once (three times) ...
  49. Just a man
    Just a man 23 July 2016 11: 50
    +2
    If an article begins with gross lies and rigging of facts, one can say 100 percent that there will be a Russophobic article interspersed with truth. You will read again the phrase - "The fact is that when the Americans agreed to participate in the 2014 season competitions in their Abrams equipped with a 1500-strong gas turbine engine, in the Russian Defense Ministry the people got a little frightened - it is no secret that in the Tank Biathlon, according to the plan of the organizers, only and exclusively the Russian team "Blatant and stupid lies in all respects should win."
    1. Berg berg
      Berg berg 23 July 2016 12: 34
      +3
      Just as a joke - "As previously announced by the American combat biathlon team, they will come to the competition in an American T-72B3M tank specially created in America for competition!"
  50. Berg berg
    Berg berg 23 July 2016 12: 27
    0
    So far, this is a current publicity. It was previously stated if anyone remembers when the participating countries will come to the tank biathlon with their tanks, then Russia will also introduce other tank developments. Yes, and a prize pool is needed for interest. And participants who arrived without tanks must fully pay for them and be able to upgrade them by their standards without violating the combat and defense structure of the fighting vehicle!