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New hydroacoustic complex in the Arctic: facts and questions

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On Wednesday, July 20, the media reported on the development in Russia of a new sonar system for underwater lighting, which is supposed to be able to track the movement of foreign submarines in the Arctic Ocean. The Central Naval Portal tells what is known about this project and what place it will take in Russian navy.


WHY DOES IT NEED?

Providing continuous coverage of the underwater situation is necessary to prevent the activity of foreign submarines in their own territorial waters, combat training grounds and areas of deployment. Simply put, to know what is happening under the water before going to sea. In peacetime, the fleet should be able to test prospective weaponsknowing that they will not be watched by a potential adversary. In wartime, the availability of information about the location of the enemy is the main criterion for the successful deployment of forces, including strategic ones.

The ships and submarines of the Navy also have their own hydroacoustic stations, but their range is limited. For example, the GAS Polynom of the atomic cruiser Peter the Great can “see” a submarine at a distance of no more than 50 km. To continuously obtain information about the underwater situation in the extended territory, stationary hydroacoustic complexes are used. On the development of just such a complex and it became known on Wednesday.

HOW IS THE UNDERWATER SITUATION NOW LIGHTING?

Stationary hydroacoustic complexes are quite vulnerable to the destructive actions of the enemy, therefore it is not usual to talk about their presence in a particular area of ​​the World Ocean. Nevertheless, it is known that the sea borders of Russia in the region of Avachinsky Bay of Kamchatka are covered by the Soviet hydroacoustic complex "Dniester", which is a gigantic antenna, held in place by 60-ton anchors. 70 million rubles spent by the Ministry of Defense to dock one of the antennas in 45 indicate that this invention of 2015's time is still in service.

New hydroacoustic complex in the Arctic: facts and questions

The principle of operation of the stationary hydroacoustic complex type "Dniester"
Concern "Oceanpribor"


In the Northern Fleet, the underwater lighting function is performed by the MHC-608М sonar complex, which has several 240-kilometer borders placed in the Barents Sea. According to experts, in order to cover the Kola Peninsula bases from the unauthorized approach of foreign submarines, the number of sonar sensors must be tripled. Critics of the MGK-608M complex, on the contrary, declare its inefficiency in tracking the movements of modern low-noise submarines and call for the development of fundamentally new complexes for lighting the situation.

WHAT WILL CREATE TO 2017 YEAR?

It is obvious that in the dispute between hydroacoustics experts supporting the continued supply to the fleet of MGC-608M serial products manufactured by the Atoll Research Institute and those who advocated the creation of new samples of hydroacoustic tools, the latter won. The leading supplier of a promising underwater lighting complex, which they plan to submit to the Ministry of Defense already in 2017, is the corporation of special-purpose space systems Kometa. This company, although it has in its list of areas of activity hydroacoustics, mainly specializes in space equipment.

A fully developed hydroacoustic system "is capable of covering an area hundreds of kilometers away," an anonymous source in the Ministry of Defense told reporters.

Development company, completion time, approximate length of one line. This is all that is exactly known about the new hydroacoustic complex. Further questions begin.

QUESTIONS WITHOUT ANSWERS

The first thing that is in doubt is the current status of work on the complex. "Currently, a draft of the new system is being worked out," writes Izvestia. So all the same, is the project of the underwater lighting system being created or is the hydroacoustic complex already embodied "in metal"? To present the timeframes for creating such a technically complex device as a hydroacoustic complex, it is worth noting that only the installation of the already mentioned MGC-608M was allocated more than a year, including 50 days directly to the sea.

The second interesting issue is the method of transmitting data from sensors at sea to the coastal post. “We need to create three circuits: sea, space and land. Sea is hydroacoustic buoys and underwater sensors that take the situation and transmit the received data to satellites of the space circuit,” quoted the representative of the Ministry of Defense of the media. This essentially distinguishes the perspective complex from those currently in service. The latter transmit the most trivial data - by the cable lying on the bottom. The engineer who told reporters about the new development also mentions limitations on the power supply of sonar and satellite equipment, due to the need to ensure the autonomy of the receiving sensors and buoys. This suggests a system of drifting buoys that are not interconnected by wires. However, the need to find buoys on the surface for data transmission over the satellite channel closes the possibility of using the complex in most seas of the Russian part of the Arctic, except for the ice-free Barents. In general, in matters of coverage of the underwater situation again there were more questions than answers.
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  1. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 22 July 2016 18: 49
    +3
    Given the accumulation of missile defense around our country, in any case, one must go under water. Let the underwater missile defense build and not tear.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 22 July 2016 19: 12
      0
      I am not special in all technical subtleties, but I understood the Arctic, we will defend to the last! Not only oil and gas can be seen there ... In reality, Russia is rebuilding the entire infrastructure there! And this is a lot of money ... Something was obviously found there ... hi
      1. cniza
        cniza 22 July 2016 20: 28
        +4
        Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
        Given the accumulation of missile defense around our country, in any case, one must go under water. Let the underwater missile defense build and not tear.


        Not just under water, but in other technologies and approaches, our non-standard solutions confuse them.
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      3. UREC
        UREC 22 July 2016 21: 18
        +5
        It’s clear that they found! A hole in the defense, not even a hole, but hundreds of kilometers of aqua and territory controlled by the military and navy.
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 22 July 2016 19: 20
      +17
      Then the questions begin.

      That's when the time comes, dear mister anonymous author, you may be given answers to questions, but most likely they won’t, because:
      therefore, it is not customary to speak "out loud" about their presence in a particular region of the World Ocean.

      With all due respect. hi
      1. Panikovsky
        Panikovsky 22 July 2016 19: 29
        +8
        Vladimir, I followed the link, but there really is no author. I support your post.
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 22 July 2016 19: 46
        +4
        Quote: author
        The first thing that is in doubt is the current status of work on the complex. "Currently, a draft of the new system is being worked out," writes Izvestia. So all the same, is the project of the underwater lighting system being created or is the hydroacoustic complex already embodied "in metal"? To present the timeframes for creating such a technically complex device as a hydroacoustic complex, it is worth noting that only the installation of the already mentioned MGC-608M was allocated more than a year, including 50 days directly to the sea.


        Quote: vovanpain
        speak not accepted

        ... this is just an attempt by an offended / unhappy developer to bring the discussion of a closed topic "to the people" ...

        In the opinion of the devoted, it is better to discuss these topics in a cell, within the framework of specialized scientific and technical councils. Well, or, if you feel like it, in the "VPK glade" ...
    3. zvereok
      zvereok 22 July 2016 21: 58
      0
      Given the accumulation of missile defense around our country, in any case, one must go under water. Let the underwater missile defense build and not tear.


      If not a duck, then the "partners" already have prototypes ready - autonomous drones to combat submarines.
      1. SeregaBoss
        SeregaBoss 22 July 2016 23: 02
        0
        The prototype is ready and they brought it to the test, there was an article about it at VO. But the trick is that they swung it on CSGO and in fact it turned out Oyoyoi, because CSGO is very very expensive.
        1. Terner38
          Terner38 22 July 2016 23: 40
          0
          Most likely, there is not enough OGOGO little mind - the dough is unmeasured there.
      2. Alex_Tug
        Alex_Tug 22 July 2016 23: 35
        0
        autonomous drones for fighting submarines

        Not autonomous, but manageable
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    4. Havoc
      Havoc 23 July 2016 00: 41
      0
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      Given the accumulation of missile defense around our country, in any case, one must go under water. Let the underwater missile defense build and not tear.


      Submarine launch platforms in Russia have long been in service. I even assume that such platforms are located off the coast of the USA.
      1. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian 23 July 2016 21: 36
        -1
        Submarine launch platforms in Russia have long been in service
        They are prohibited by contract.
        1. Havoc
          Havoc 24 July 2016 00: 27
          0
          Until the end of June, factory tests of the latest Skif ballistic missile, capable of being in standby mode on the sea and ocean bottom and at the right time by command to shoot and hit ground and sea targets, will begin in the White Sea.

          As the military department told Izvestia, the missile was developed jointly by the Rubin Central Design Bureau (St. Petersburg) and the Academic Makeev (Miass) State Missile Center, commissioned by the Ministry of Defense.

          Tests have already passed; successful launches have already been reported.
          What interesting contracts do these weapons prohibit?
          1. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian 24 July 2016 00: 38
            0
            What interesting contracts do these weapons prohibit?
            Seabed treaty. Entered into force on May 18, 1972. There are 21 signatories.
            1. Havoc
              Havoc 24 July 2016 10: 13
              0
              Quote: Anglorussian
              Seabed treaty.

              Quote: Anglorussian
              What interesting contracts do these weapons prohibit?
              Seabed treaty. Entered into force on May 18, 1972. There are 21 signatories.

              You read this agreement, it does not prohibit deployment in the 12-mile zone, the ban applies only to the deployment of nuclear weapons in international waters.
              1. Anglorussian
                Anglorussian 24 July 2016 12: 00
                0
                It is yes, but lead
                located off the coast of the USA.
                it’s just impossible, but there’s something mobile on its territory.
                1. Havoc
                  Havoc 25 July 2016 20: 01
                  0
                  Quote: Anglorussian
                  It is yes, but lead
                  located off the coast of the USA.
                  it’s just impossible, but there’s something mobile on its territory.


                  I wrote, I guess. Actually, the placement of nuclear weapons along the US coast was proposed by Academician Sakharov in 1959.
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 22 July 2016 18: 56
    0
    It's good. And no matter how obsessive to the shores ... well, neutral ... North America ... in a submerged position as it happened. And then it was quiet to sleep.
  3. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 22 July 2016 18: 58
    +2
    "Eyes and ears" has never bothered anyone.
  4. Teberii
    Teberii 22 July 2016 18: 59
    0
    Ensuring the defense of their borders on our territory, no one can forbid us.
  5. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 22 July 2016 19: 11
    +3
    the United States has had something similar since the 1960s .. the United States naval forces began deploying the global sonar submarine system SOSUS (SOSUS, Sound Surveillance System), designed primarily to track Soviet, and now Russian, submarines . Installed at a depth of several tens of meters, the system’s sensors form several lines along the Greenland – Iceland – Great Britain line, and separate posts are also deployed in the Pacific Ocean. Currently, SOSUS continues to function.
    1. Yak-3P
      Yak-3P 22 July 2016 20: 28
      +1
      however, they passed through this sausage more than once .. our identity is also there, but its effectiveness is also .. and as I understand it, something else
  6. PKK
    PKK 22 July 2016 19: 12
    -1
    The main thing is on time, and not when the cock pecks.
    The question tormented me about submariners. We determined what these squeaks were in the Mediterranean Sea and even in the Oceans that tormented Soviet submariners in the 80s. The pulses accompanied our submarines. The riddle was like that.
    1. cayman gene
      cayman gene 22 July 2016 20: 24
      +2
      Restless questions, I’m tormented by you, I think you should address Comrade Lieutenant General Korobov Igor Valentinovich, Comrade General of the Army Gerasimov Valery Vasilievich, and if questions continue to be tormented, then this is already to Comrade Shoig Sergey Kuzhugetovich. I assure you, these people will answer all your questions, dear martyr. I hope that in this connection your torment will finally end, and you will finally take care of pecking roosters.
  7. bald
    bald 22 July 2016 19: 24
    +1
    It’s time to spare no money (of course, not without control). This is not the distant future of the Russian army.
  8. weksha50
    weksha50 22 July 2016 19: 33
    +1
    "In general, in questions of lighting the underwater situation again there were more questions than answers"...

    Hmm ... The fact that THIS is an archival and necessary matter is not even in doubt ...
    And no money can be spared on the development and implementation of such systems ...

    Already at the Americans-British-NATO, such systems have long been developed ...

    Only we, at VO, would like to hear something more specific about solving this problem in Russia ...
  9. Bort radist
    Bort radist 22 July 2016 19: 45
    +5
    The other day, while relaxing, I was talking with a friend from a closed city. It's no secret that they work in space. You are also collecting satellites - I ask, he says - the navy is still added. I thought of hydroacoustics and transmission through space.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 22 July 2016 20: 08
      0
      Quote: Bort Radist
      The other day, while relaxing, I was talking with a friend from a closed city. It's no secret that they work in space. You are also collecting satellites - I ask, he says - the navy is still added. I thought of hydroacoustics and transmission through space.

      Not everything was stolen ... Thank you guys! The West is screaming, as if you lost the Cold War and we destroyed your USSR! And "the backbone remained" ..))) Let's break through ..! God bless Russia ..
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    3. tsvetkov1274
      tsvetkov1274 22 July 2016 20: 36
      +1
      From Zheleznogorsk comrade?
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 23 July 2016 05: 51
        0
        Quote: tsvetkov1274
        From Zheleznogorsk comrade?

        Krasnoyarsk-26 wink
        1. tsvetkov1274
          tsvetkov1274 23 July 2016 09: 45
          0
          So this is the same thing, I myself come from there)))) drinks
          1. Bort radist
            Bort radist 23 July 2016 13: 29
            0
            Quote: tsvetkov1274
            So this is the same thing, I myself come from there))))

            So, I had to be there, so I’m a little aware of this amazing town.
  10. rudolff
    rudolff 22 July 2016 20: 00
    +3
    I will repeat my comment on the first mention of this system a couple of days ago and once again I apologize to the optimists, but the news has an unpleasant aftertaste. It's good that something is being done at all, but it should have been done a long time ago. The fact is that the named system in itself does not solve much and is only an integral element of the Unified State System of Illumination of the surface and underwater situation. The decision to establish the UNEGS was made back in 2000 and by the year 20 we should have deployed at least 50 percent of the system. Further, the program was corrected, changed, discussed many times, but in fact today the situation is a little better than "the horse did not roll." After the problem of updating the naval staff, EGSONPO is perhaps the biggest headache for admirals.
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 22 July 2016 20: 24
      -1
      Quote: rudolff
      I will repeat my comment on the first mention of this system a couple of days ago and once again I apologize to the optimists, but the news has an unpleasant aftertaste. It's good that something is being done at all, but it should have been done a long time ago. The fact is that the named system in itself does not solve much and is only an integral element of the Unified State System of Illumination of the surface and underwater situation. The decision to establish the UNEGS was made back in 2000 and by the year 20 we should have deployed at least 50 percent of the system. Further, the program was corrected, changed, discussed many times, but in fact today the situation is a little better than "the horse did not roll." After the problem of updating the naval staff, EGSONPO is perhaps the biggest headache for admirals.

      Maybe you're right, there are many problems ... But there is no need to whine! Our Arctic will be!
    2. Aviagr
      Aviagr 22 July 2016 20: 49
      +1
      "Horse" translates oat in manure, more precisely, there is not Horses, Moose и reindeer, well, now they are everywhere where it smells at least a little money. The Chinese may have such a system earlier, but they don’t have ice either: I would have satiated the ice-free seas a year ago with my gliders and robotic sailing catamarans ...
  11. Aviagr
    Aviagr 22 July 2016 20: 36
    +1
    I know what devices are needed to create such a system (links are not inserted ?!), even under the ice. I've been trying to break through for two years upstairs. It is useless - there will be another drank without a competent system, i.e. collective farm they’ll create, but the collective farmers in it dumb... In non-freezing seas, such as South China, this network must be deployed immediately, otherwise China will be kaput! That would be to cooperate with them (money and electronics) - and would close their problem areas twice as fast.
    I repeat once again: the space and ground components are already in some form, but there will be no "collective farmers" in the sea for a long time ... But stationary sensors in our time are practically useless with the development of miniature underwater robots (and this may be mine).
    1. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 22 July 2016 23: 45
      0
      For two years now I’ve been trying to break up.


      Maybe you do not need to go up, but on the horizontal search somewhere (like, ala) in Skolkovo.
      1. Aviagr
        Aviagr 23 July 2016 21: 07
        0
        And by horizontal, and diagonals - everywhere they only fish out ideas to implement through departmental structures. There is one principle everywhere - not a penny to the side! They know about my developments ALL (and Skolkovo incl.), but how to bring them to a working state - only me. So they are now sawing money for preliminary experiments, hoping nevertheless to find out or understand the know-how - it will not work, they are definitely suitable, as Fat would say. They do not have the brains and dissent to implement a revolution in design - standard clichés and blinking authority interfere ... In general, it will be easier for me to sell abroad if there is a good buyer - but from there only "sniffing" requests are still coming in. Loot always runs ahead of technical progress ...
  12. shinobi
    shinobi 22 July 2016 20: 43
    +1
    The north is shut tight. Sobs we have always been the only owners there. And their entire super-duper fleet is useless there.
  13. Baby doll
    Baby doll 22 July 2016 21: 16
    0
    Well, where is the participation in this project of the inventors of the "smart" bullet - the Advanced Research Fund? The topic for the country's defense is the most important and relevant now, but among the developers they are not observed at close range. It turns out that they are not interested in science fiction better?
  14. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 22 July 2016 21: 33
    +1
    Yes, you won't envy the President after the drunk, a sort of Trishkin caftan. Here you won't get by with patches, it will be more expensive. SRI WORKED, oddly enough, people need money again, for fine-tuning. But we have to . So we'll eat less. Should we get used to it, perhaps, in comparison with the NATO "alternative"?
    The French have some eggplant more expensive by 4%, so there the Arabs smash the marseille. We are calm because we know what strength is. Is not it ?
  15. Dobrogneva
    Dobrogneva 22 July 2016 21: 37
    -1
    The Russian liberating sailors will help Canada take Boston and the State of Maine together with the Chinese and Indians defending theirs (which in Canada are now correspondingly: 1,5 million Russians, many millions of Chinese and very many millions of Indians (the latter are attracted to something by Canada). And after the pro-Russian Russian security services brought to power in Canada, the French-speaking elite from French Quebec will sign the necessary papers, and the whole of Canada will become part of the Russian Federation without any referendum, together with Alaska and part of the United States, the only way for the meanness they committed with our Alaska and California, and it’s necessary to beat hands, historically, because they like countries in which they set up the majority of Russians against Russia through the media and with their hands bought, intimidated by the CIA because of total surveillance with incriminating evidence and in other ways - quickly quietly pull in in NATO (also without a referendum), substituting the Russians for an imminent nuclear strike in the event of a war for which they are constantly preparing ... But honestly in the case of Crimea, they don’t want to admit hypocritical hypocrisy, don’t you see it, it’s profitable to frighten everyone with Russia, you’ll be scared - what kind of Russia do you want and you’ll get one, only now you’ll be able to bite your elbows, so it will be too late ...
  16. Dobrogneva
    Dobrogneva 22 July 2016 21: 37
    +1
    Russia’s residents of Canada will already be frightened by the satanic USA, showing in reality what the elite of native English speakers in the world does, every day, through all channels, the same thing ... And they live in a fairy tale with the money of poor countries selected from them and still love to be excreted and speak about some values ​​there - Canadian children will have their teeth loose after a six-month winter non-payment of salaries, we will bring them buns from Moscow, and they will jump around us like bunnies, hungry, nothing, in 1998 Russia went through this for the needs of reconstruction it adapted to the Western style of development, adapted to the West, which was afraid that Russia would replay it according to its own rules and draw all resources onto itself - and now it is trying to bring everything back and make Russia communist and isolated again, so you see him more calmly, elite hypocrites ...
  17. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 22 July 2016 22: 04
    +1
    The Arctic within our area of ​​responsibility is shut off. Any stirring is an attempt to escape, behind the ear and dry humanely.
    No, well, how are they heading there with dirty boots, huh? "Give, I want!" , in their own style, they sensed the money from SevMorPuti. In miserable. Where were you when the impoverished country was creating the icebreaker "Lenin"? Vessels of this class only, adjusted for the new route for the "carrots", can provide almost all year round. Do you have anything, well, at least something like that? No, we are forever behind, the attempts are simply stupid.
    It’s like your lunar show-offs were a miserable answer to Gagarin’s flight - they remember Yurka, and Armstrong - only experts, so your attempts in the Arctic ...
  18. podgornovea
    podgornovea 22 July 2016 23: 18
    +2
    Regarding questions and facts.

    For not understanding authors; Like a couple of days ago there was an article as if hinting!

    Meaning of that (for the most curious) articles - if you don’t understand how the cables will be laid under water, where is the card, how will the signal be transmitted, what will be the protection against underwater saboteurs, and what will be the table of codes of data transmitted via the cable - aboutcontact the nearest branch of the FSB to explain everything in detail there (in exchange for information - for what purpose are you interested).
  19. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 23 July 2016 05: 58
    0
    If we add controlled torpedo-mine fields to the detection systems, then we can not worry about the rear and the backyard of Russia. While the northern border is protected only by ice, killer whales and polar bears, Russia is in danger, because they did not take the oath and did not pass military training (a joke of humor).