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On the coastal "children" and the oddities of the Russian justice system

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20 July 2016 of the jury of the Primorsky Regional Court delivered an acquittal verdict against Alexey Nikitin and Vadim Kovtun in the framework of the so-called "coastal guerrillas". If one of our readers has forgotten, the group consisting of residents of the village of Kirovsky of Primorsky Krai was called “Primorsky Partisans” in 2010. The group gained fame as a result of a series of high-profile crimes, including the killing and attempted murder of a number of Primorye law enforcement officers, beatings and robberies of civilians, theft of apartments and hunting weapons, arson of the building of the internal affairs bodies, the killing of representatives of the “drug syndicate” to seize several kilograms of narcotic substances.


Several hundred police officers from the Primorsky Territory and other regions were involved in the detention of criminals. The attackers on law enforcement officers and civilians, who at the same time declared that they, as you see, “were fighting militia”, were hiding from justice in the taiga near Ussuriysk. This gave occasion to certain representatives of the mass media, mostly liberal, to call the criminals “maritime partisans”. The message is that, killing the policemen (policemen) and their civil countrymen, they allegedly "fought for freedom and truth, for the Fatherland." Ultra-liberal members of the public were not particularly worried about the fact that these “partisans” used Nazi symbols in their “struggle for the Fatherland” and in some cases had problems with the law before their maritime adventures (in 2009-2010). However, it was thanks to the liberal press, the cliché “guerrillas” quickly stuck to the criminals, and at the time of their detention the relatives announced that “the political process could begin, and therefore they will consider options for seeking asylum in a foreign country”.

As part of the gang, which, under the beautiful slogans of “fighting against the police arbitrariness,” repaired its own arbitrariness, keeping almost all Primorye in fear, there were very specific personalities.

In particular, Andrei Sukhorad, who was called one of the leaders of the group. Suhorada (b. 1987) was known for being a member of the national bureau of the seaside squad before he had joined the gang and often figured in local law enforcement reports (since the 16 age). According to the official version, he shot himself dead during his arrest, using a pistol stolen from a murdered policeman (the murder was committed before Medvedev renamed).

Another representative of the seaside gang - Alexander Sladkikh born 1989. In 2009, he was wanted for unauthorized abandonment of military service.

Alexander Kovtun, one of the Kovtun brothers in the gang, has undergone an amazing metamorphosis after being detained. If at first he professed radical nationalist views, like most members of the group, then (after the start of the investigation) he suddenly declared himself a supporter of radical Islam, indicating the fact of adopting Wahhabism and changing its name to Saifulla.

Apparently, “police brutality” for these people consisted in the fact that one was not allowed to freely propagate Nazi ideas, another was prevented from hiding after desertion without any problems, and in relation to the third one was put up barriers for his transition to the Wahhabi underground ... And the “arbitrariness of the law enforcement” group, apparently, was that the law did not allow them to freely dispose of narcotic substances, reducing the accounts within the drug groups.

On the coastal "children" and the oddities of the Russian justice system


In general, such "partisans" ... With a dearly, to put it mildly ...

And so, the jury of the Primorsky regional court, which, by the way, was collected almost from the ninth attempt, was announced that (as in that video) “Rafik sasem neuenouen”. Alexey Nikitin and Vadim Kovtun were released in the courtroom, and on the site of Radio Liberty there immediately appeared a “piercing” article by journalist Mark Krutov (the one who made fakie about the “Kalibrakh” falling on Iranian villages flown to Syria ... ") about the" Russian propaganda. " Of Articles:

The episode with the murder in Kirovsky was widely covered by Russian propaganda and was intended to show that the “partisans” are not at all fighters with “Cop lawlessness”, but ordinary gangsters.


That is, they are not ordinary gangsters, but really partisans - so, perhaps ...

As can be seen, Mr. Journalist (aka “Calibram Specialist”) from Radio Liberty announces the killing of law enforcement officers, shootings and looting of the civilian population of Primorye and drug resistance - “fighting Copentian lawlessness”. And all those who consider such activity a criminal offense are “Russian propagandists”. Well, of course, “onizdeti” ... As it is in the Maidanian: killing law enforcement officers, arson, a focus on planting fear among the population, a desire to spread chaos and discord in the whole region. And the “excuse” - they opposed the “Cop lawlessness”. It turns out that “Radio Liberty” with such posts is at least not against the “Cop lawlessness” punishable by the killing of police officers - everyone who happened to be on the road too ... “Freedom”, she is like that.

By the way, the verdict of the jury against the seaside gang is not the first. If earlier the board found all the participants guilty on a whole series of incriminated episodes, and the court imposed severe penalties up to life imprisonment, now it is a strange move backwards.

The same Aleksey Nikitin was initially sentenced by a court (on the basis of a jury verdict) to life imprisonment. Now - let go in the courtroom.

No, it is possible that Nikitin really did not take part in the crimes of the group, perhaps he, as they say, wasn’t in the spirit of a dream, but here the question is different. Well, we have a justice system such that it is possible to convene jurors several times, which will make diametrically opposite decisions every time. If those taken into custody were innocent, then where are the perpetrators? Who led the murders and robberies of the gang in Primorye? Who painted on the points of action groups? In the end, the same Nikitin with Kovtun may demand considerable compensation for 6 years spent behind bars. Who will compensate - the judge who issued the initial verdict, or representatives of the first jury? Oh yes! How many more jury boards can be needed to completely turn this matter into a farce and present the many victims in Primorye, not the victims of the gang, but the victims of the “Cop lawlessness”?
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  1. Teberii
    Teberii 22 July 2016 05: 29
    -7
    Let's see "the humpbacked grave will fix it."
    1. Rezident007
      Rezident007 22 July 2016 05: 41
      +23
      Such "partisans" to the wall ... Well, maybe, due to the greatest humanity, at least 25 years in prison for a strogach would be necessary. From such "personnel" there will be no more talk. Ballast
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 22 July 2016 06: 31
        +46
        Quote: Resident007
        Such "partisans" to the wall ... Well, maybe, due to the greatest humanity, at least 25 years in prison for a strogach would be necessary.

        It seems to me that, unfortunately, they will still show themselves. Well, such characters will not go to the construction site to carry bricks! The stump is clear, yet "they will fight the arbitrariness." But after that it will be necessary to take by the bells the one who justifies them now ...

        Lord, when in our country at least someone will learn from others' mistakes, and not from theirs ??? Why do we have to follow the American-European liberal path and wait until this one creates the next "Boston Marathon"? Why not immediately, guided by the highest humane considerations, put them against the wall?

        Humanism something - it is not only in relation to individual scumbags should be. In the first place - in relation to society. And now wait, who else will they kill or rob?

        And further. It so happened that if Radio Liberty protects someone with foam at the mouth, then you may not know what kind of person he is, what he did - definitely - this is the last rubbish, the place of which is at the wall. The indicator is so peculiar. You may not have your own opinion and information at all - "Freedom" says "good" - which means it's disgusting.
        1. Hon
          Hon 22 July 2016 20: 09
          +3
          Actually, the jury is the court of the people, and the people decided
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 22 July 2016 20: 19
            0
            Quote: Hon
            Actually, the jury is the court of the people, and the people decided
            Actually, a jury trial is just a jury trial. Here I have a diametrically opposite opinion on the "Primorsky partisans" case. Does this fact mean that I am not a representative of the people?
            And in order to find out the true popular opinion, courts should be held publicly in city squares with a huge concentration of citizens. Well, as in the Middle Ages. In the right hand is a white stone, in the left - black, and go ahead, administer justice. And there whose pile of stones will be more. Do you want this?
          2. Andrey Gladkikh
            Andrey Gladkikh 22 July 2016 23: 08
            +2
            "Actually the jury is the court of the people, and the people decided"

            But what is the first jury that found everyone guilty, not a court of the people?
      2. atk44849
        atk44849 22 July 2016 10: 24
        +10
        here you personally do not know. how was it all! and be silent! and we local know everything! Kirovka, it’s like Afghanistan, only hemp is growing. here the boys and put things in order! if you saw these fields !!! You would not argue like that. and the cops killed the locals and hung it on the boys, but there were a lot of killings; there weren’t enough hanging bags for everyone. and the cops there fell down each other! now comes?
        1. atk44849
          atk44849 22 July 2016 11: 33
          +2
          who is interested, type in the search << vl / ru are justified >> there are many interesting things ...
        2. weksha50
          weksha50 22 July 2016 11: 47
          +1
          Quote: atk44849
          here you personally do not know. how was it all! and be silent! and we local know everything! Kirovka, it’s like Afghanistan, only hemp is growing. here the boys and put things in order!


          Hmm ... Well, the National Bolsheviks can still be "attributed" to attempts to "restore order" ...

          What about Wahhabi? And the deserter?

          And then - you write that all the locals knew and know about the police arbitrariness ... Now, in the age of the Internet, who prevented the "bombing" of all services - the Investigative Committee, the FSB, the GP, etc. information about what happened?
          If every day at least a dozen of such complaints came from you - well, you wouldn’t get anywhere, you would have to take measures ...

          Maybe I'm completely naive ...
          1. atk44849
            atk44849 22 July 2016 12: 47
            +3
            you're right ! Well, you can’t argue against the prosecutor’s office.
            1. atk44849
              atk44849 22 July 2016 12: 53
              +4
              understand, this is what the press writes! it is not profitable for the authorities to tell the truth. and you believe. do not be lazy, go to the site vl / ru <justified> follow the links, you will understand a lot.
          2. Reserve officer
            Reserve officer 22 July 2016 13: 00
            +6
            "There are obviously more questions than answers."


            That's it. I doubt that the author of the article saw the materials of the criminal case.
            A lot of dogs hang on the police for a variety of reasons, but very often they turn a blind eye to real crimes.
            If we write, then we need facts, not epithets and emotions. The forum is mainly sane people. They will figure it out - what's what.
            And so this article is another journalistic version of the events ...
        3. snerg7520
          snerg7520 23 July 2016 12: 25
          +1
          Compared to the Kirov cops, even Vladivostok cops are the most tender, noblest, and crystal-clear people.
          I wish the author of the article to come incognito to the Kirovsky settlement, to face the local police and try to defend his rights - then he will feel the lawlessness of the Kirov cops right up to resuscitation. And this is the best case. In the worst case, they will sew the case, hang a "hanging" (unsolved crime) on it and go to court, so beloved by the author, for a period of time.
          It’s unambiguous for the term, because the internal conviction of any professional judge is not in the jury in accordance with the instructions of the Chairman of the Supreme Court Lebedev believes that if the matter reaches the court, the accused is clearly guilty.
          But the jury is not subordinate to the above settings, which is what the author so regrets.
          Since for a judge to pass a guilty verdict, roughly speaking and without taking into account the factor of money, one proof of guilt, which becomes decisive, is enough against the three evidence of innocence, to which the judge is critical, the jury logically thinks and the same ratio of evidence in the jury leads to acquittal.
          This is exactly what we see on the example of the "Primorsky partisans".
          By the way, in Primorye 2/3 of the population are on the side of the partisans, at least in my circle of friends.
          1. sherp2015
            sherp2015 24 July 2016 18: 06
            -1
            Quote: snerg7520
            This is exactly what we see on the example of the "Primorsky partisans".
            By the way, in Primorye 2/3 of the population are on the side of the partisans, at least in my circle of friends.

            People know who is guilty.
            And the authorities need to listen to the people
        4. snerg7520
          snerg7520 23 July 2016 12: 25
          +1
          Compared to the Kirov cops, even Vladivostok cops are the most tender, noblest, and crystal-clear people.
          I wish the author of the article to come incognito to the Kirovsky settlement, to face the local police and try to defend his rights - then he will feel the lawlessness of the Kirov cops right up to resuscitation. And this is the best case. In the worst case, they will sew the case, hang a "hanging" (unsolved crime) on it and go to court, so beloved by the author, for a period of time.
          It’s unambiguous for the term, because the internal conviction of any professional judge is not in the jury in accordance with the instructions of the Chairman of the Supreme Court Lebedev believes that if the matter reaches the court, the accused is clearly guilty.
          But the jury is not subordinate to the above settings, which is what the author so regrets.
          Since for a judge to pass a guilty verdict, roughly speaking and without taking into account the factor of money, one proof of guilt, which becomes decisive, is enough against the three evidence of innocence, to which the judge is critical, the jury logically thinks and the same ratio of evidence in the jury leads to acquittal.
          This is exactly what we see on the example of the "Primorsky partisans".
          By the way, in Primorye 2/3 of the population are on the side of the partisans, at least in my circle of friends.
      3. 97110
        97110 22 July 2016 14: 47
        +3
        Quote: Resident007
        Such "partisans" to the wall ... Well, maybe, due to the greatest humanity, at least 25 years in prison for a strogach would be necessary. From such "personnel" there will be no more talk. Ballast

        Not about that. Talk about the manageability of the state. The author has noted the "liberal media" as many times as he could. Question to the Author: TV channels marked "Russia #" how were these people called? I will not argue, but in my opinion it turns out that they are liberal! When they call Donbass militias separatists, terrorists, militants, do they fulfill the sovereign's order? Or do they welcome the janitor's dog according to Molchalin? What? But what if? About the jury. Who are these jurors? Ordinary Russian citizens! Is it difficult to establish their personal data? I think they'll hand over for a hat of crackers. Why would they lay down their lives and loved ones? Is there any hope of participating in the Gelend Parade? Or to carve out a pretty penny from a disability pension on pills? Is there any hope for the protection of the police? Not even funny. Where is the clear, consistent, clearly visible policy of protecting state interests? On the Charles board hidden for the time being? In the portrait of the Minister of Sports of Russia, shining with worries about the interests of the sovereign? In public, advertised and unpunished mockery of GIB2D? Why do the parents of the owners of Gelend and Ferrari get away with everything? If the children of SUCH PARENTS are scared to be touched by the law enforcement system, so make them simple parents, summon them to the administrative commission at the district administration, with a preliminary interest to see the forces of the State Tax Inspectorate, and what does the gentleman own? And on what basis? And is there a crime behind him, such as non-payment of taxes on a particularly large scale. Is there! (it can't but be! The law is like that, anybody has 7 years of sanctions!) It is the appointed persons who have to work, and not decide their own affairs. The state can be profiled. Do you think they forgot Serdyukov? Forgotten the board? Are the liberals to blame? The jury is not good? An example of a more effective threat!
        1. your1970
          your1970 27 July 2016 00: 22
          0
          "Why do the parents of the owners of Gelend and Ferrari get away with everything? If the children of SUCH PARENTS can be touched" - read the news:
          MOSCOW, July 26 - RIA Novosti. In Moscow, the investigation of the criminal case of the "racers" on Gelandewagen has been completed, the press service of the Investigative Committee of Russia reports.
          Abduvahoba Madzhidov, Ruslan Shamsuarov and Viktor Uskov are charged under the articles "threat of violence against a government official" and "insult to a government official".
          According to the release, in the near future the defendants and their defenders will begin to familiarize themselves with the case materials. He will then be sent for confirmation of the indictment and transferred to the court for examination on the merits. "
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 22 July 2016 06: 00
      +22
      What has the effect on the jury? Ordinary citizens, but we all hate drug dealers, policemen covering drugs and messing around (a trifle, three people to an ATM, a police major is out of turn to withdraw money) .. This is the result of the authorities in the country, or indulgence and inaction this power.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 06: 05
        +8
        Quote: dmi.pris
        , three people to an ATM, a police major without a line is suitable to withdraw money).

        I haven’t seen such people, stop the car and say thank you for the ride they can. But in the queues they stand with everyone.
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 22 July 2016 06: 39
          +1
          Here we have such cubanoid police ... Out of turn to an ATM easily ...
          1. Beefeater
            Beefeater 22 July 2016 08: 00
            +13
            Quote: dmi.pris
            Here we have such cubanoid police ... Out of turn to an ATM easily ...

            I do not know. Yesterday I saw a policeman escorting a blind old man ...
          2. cast iron
            cast iron 22 July 2016 10: 09
            +7
            And to besiege the presumptuous animal is not at execution in any way? Is there a comment there? Or hid all languages ​​in one place?
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 22 July 2016 06: 32
        +12
        Quote: dmi.pris
        we all hate drug dealers, drug cops and rampant

        Denis Nikandrov, deputy head of the Main Investigative Directorate of the Investigative Committee for Russia in Moscow, Mikhail Maksimenko, head of Russia's own security department, and his deputy, Alexander Lamonov, were arrested. According to the investigation, all three were involved in receiving a bribe from Zakhary Kalashov.
        request What to speak about simple PPSnikami ...
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 July 2016 06: 51
          +8
          Quote: Bayonet
          The deputy head of the GSU SK of Russia was arrested

          It is now. Then they "ruled", and I doubt that the "above" did not know about it.
          1. Mikhail Krapivin
            Mikhail Krapivin 22 July 2016 07: 34
            +15
            The imperfection of the jury system in general, and in Russia in particular, has been spoken, spoken and will be spoken about. When a person is judged by one or three professional judges, it's simple. They always remember what a person is and what kind of crime he is accused of, especially if it is a high-profile and resonant case. They evaluate the evidence in the case in the aggregate and precisely taking into account the personality of the villain and the severity of what he has done. The judges gave these "partisans" earlier life sentences. But there is a kind and humane Supreme Court, which is trying to live like in Europe, not wanting to understand that we are not at all Europe. The Supreme Court overturned the life sentence of professional judges due to "committed violations", which is ridiculous, because there are no ideal sentences, absolutely any sentence can be canceled, there would be a desire, but in this case there was a desire, I do not know for what reasons, perhaps they wanted to play democracy. And here the jurors come into play - absolute amateurs who do not understand anything either in legal proceedings or in legal proceedings. These are people from the street who were allowed to drive and play "court". In fact, this process was lost for the state. If professional judges evaluate the villain professionally, without succumbing to the charm of lawyers and not being distracted by the lyrics, then the jury evaluates him emotionally. That is, the trial itself is reduced to a competition between the prosecutor and the lawyer. Naturally, a prosecutor with a salary of 40 thousand (at best) and a lawyer with a fee of 400 thousand differ by about the same amount both in the level of legal training and in the lack of language. You all have seen how in American films a well-erudite and savvy lawyer smashes a tongue-tied, illiterate and moaning prosecutor to smithereens. Roughly the same thing happened in our case. Lawyers "rode" over the ears of the jury until the ideas of "onizhedeti" and "oninivchemnevnoy" settled firmly in the heads of the jury. And with a negative jury verdict, the judge leading the trial can no longer do anything, he is bound by the position of the jury. Finita, the curtain, the murderers are at large, the liberals are fighting in ecstasy, the Supreme Court, which overturned the previous life sentence, clearly screwed up, which was required to be proved. I hope the organizational conclusions will follow and the chairman of the Supreme Court will go to a long-deserved retirement.
            1. Idiot
              Idiot 22 July 2016 08: 41
              +1
              It was much easier. The decision was made by their own jury, probably paid by the interested parties. Who are these faces? Certainly not the relatives of the "partisans", but those who pay European officials today who are spinning the ecumenical sabbath against the Russian Federation. These are all links in the same chain: the doping scandal, the Olympics, in the perspective of the 2018 World Cup, again, this is the notorious decision of the jury ... Everything is aimed at discrediting the Russian Federation as a subject of geopolitics. They say that Russians have a mess everywhere and a violation of human rights. What kind of leaders are they, not like the Anglo-Saxons, who have had everything right for centuries? In general, I think we should abandon the institution of bailiffs. It is necessary to collect as many millions of signatures as necessary and send them to the Government. This is lawlessness, not justice.
              1. Ami du peuple
                Ami du peuple 22 July 2016 08: 59
                +1
                Quote: pft, fkb
                In general, I believe that the institution of bailiffs should be abandoned
                Why did the bailiffs not please you? Probably, you have somewhat confused the form of legal proceedings in criminal cases with the state structure that ensures the implementation of court decisions? smile
                But in fact: yes, I absolutely agree with you. Jury trial - profanity and defamation of the justice system itself.
              2. Zulu_S
                Zulu_S 22 July 2016 09: 19
                +3
                And here are the bailiffs?
                1. sibiryk
                  sibiryk 22 July 2016 11: 02
                  +3
                  I will rephrase your question a little, but what are these bailiffs for? Carry out the functions of protecting ships? So the militia (police) coped with it perfectly ... To engage in the withdrawal of money from debtors? So the "collectors" are quite coping with this ... For them, even a law was invented ... FSSP is a useless and unnecessary structure (My deep conviction)
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 27 July 2016 00: 28
                    +1
                    "The FSSP is a useless and unnecessary structure (My deep conviction)" - strange: this structure (with some variations in the name) was for some reason badly needed by both the USSR and Tsarist Russia ..
                    They, apparently, did not know your deep conviction .... Stupid probably were ....
              3. godun
                godun 22 July 2016 11: 25
                +8
                Dear colleague, regarding the lawlessness and not justice in our country. In front of my eyes, the businessman, the fraudster sued the property, presenting in court, photocopies of fake documents. The professional judge, pushing aside the original documents of the businessman, on the basis of photocopies, issues a verdict in favor of the fraudster. This is justice! Now, justice. After applying to the UK and the prosecutor’s office, the servants of the law unanimously admitted the fact of fraud, citing the articles of the Criminal Code, but ... not one of the servants of Themis raised a finger for the sake of restoring law. Why? Yes, because the fraudster has a son, a judge ... Well, who will contact the judiciary. Here is both lawlessness and injustice. By the way, the president’s reception room (there is such a service in the regions) answered if the court ruled, so it is, this is about protecting human rights.
            2. Zulu_S
              Zulu_S 22 July 2016 09: 14
              +8
              The Supreme Court overturned the previous sentence due to procedural violations. Due to illiterate actions of the investigation, which failed to correctly draw up documents for the court. Because of the state. prosecutor prosecutor who also neglected his duties. That is who in the first place should be responsible. In the end, observing not only the SPIRIT, but also the LETTERS of the law is in our common interest. Or do you want the Lord’s Special Occupation to deal with your business? From the bag and from the prison ...
              1. creak
                creak 22 July 2016 10: 04
                +7
                Quote: Zulu_S
                The Supreme Court overturned the previous sentence due to procedural violations.


                Exactly so, the two acquitted were not charged with the murder of police officers, but with the episode with the murder of 4 civilians guarding a hemp plantation in the taiga.
                The jury found the evidence collected insufficient to convict and it is possible that local law enforcement officers wanted to hang one of the unsolved murders on them.
                Do we really not practice such "tricks" and no one has heard of them?
                How many indignations including and on the VO regarding the negligible number of acquittals and on you - acquitted - again bad ....
                1. Ami du peuple
                  Ami du peuple 22 July 2016 10: 51
                  -3
                  Quote: ranger
                  How many indignations including and at the VO regarding a negligible number of acquittals
                  For the reason that each "excuse" is a marriage in the work of the investigator who sent the materials to the court and the prosecutor who supports the prosecution. For this, to put it mildly, they do not stroke the head. Therefore, most ordinary criminal cases that do not have a real judicial prospect simply do not reach the court.
                  Quote: ranger
                  and on you - justified - again bad ....
                  Yes, it’s bad. In my deep conviction, the jury is a more political and emotional tool in resonant cases. There is no need to talk about any professional and unbiased approach in the case of jury trial.
                  1. snerg7520
                    snerg7520 23 July 2016 13: 07
                    -1
                    Quote: Ami du peuple
                    Therefore, most ordinary criminal cases that do not have a real judicial perspective, simply do not reach the court.

                    Yah?
                    And no conviction?
                    Storyteller...
                    1. Ami du peuple
                      Ami du peuple 23 July 2016 13: 15
                      -2
                      Quote: snerg7520
                      Yah?
                      And no conviction?
                      Are you capable of reading, sickly? It's just about the convictions.
                      God, how did you get home-grown specialists in jurisprudence ...
                      1. snerg7520
                        snerg7520 23 July 2016 14: 35
                        0
                        Can you read something in Russian, experd?
                        I allowed myself to doubt your lies, on the basis of judicial practice, I believe that 100% of ordinary criminal cases with somehow framed evidence do not just reach the court, but thanks to Lebedev motivated by professional judges, and not by jury, they end with a guilty verdict.
                        Cases with a lack of evidence and suspects, which are vanishingly small, do not reach the court, since in this case a refusal to initiate proceedings is generally made.
                      2. Ami du peuple
                        Ami du peuple 23 July 2016 15: 35
                        0
                        Quote: snerg7520
                        Cases with a lack of evidence and suspects, which are vanishingly small, do not reach the court, since in this case a refusal to initiate proceedings is generally made.
                        There’s no desire to even argue with you. You do not know Nichrome about a real judicial pact, but you undertake to reason. What kind of practice is there, even if you don’t even have an elementary idea of ​​the CPC.
                2. snerg7520
                  snerg7520 23 July 2016 13: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: Ami du peuple
                  Therefore, most ordinary criminal cases that do not have a real judicial perspective, simply do not reach the court.

                  Yah?
                  And no conviction?
                  Storyteller...
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 22 July 2016 10: 46
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Then they "ruled", and I doubt that the "above" did not know about it.

          Well yes! Surprised eyes, "atypical case", "brand damned werewolves!", "Traitors!" - Everything as usual ... wink
      3. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 22 July 2016 08: 27
        0
        Quote: Bayonet
        What to speak about simple PPSnikami ...
        So let all the law enforcement officials wet their bodies to death, so what? They are all, a priori, judging by your words, inveterate criminals - from the head of the RF IC to a simple PPSnik.
        By the way, dear, you yourself have personally come across the so-called. "cop lawlessness"? Tell us, the people will be interested.
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          1. tiaman.76
            tiaman.76 22 July 2016 10: 27
            +1
            I didn’t minus anyone, but when I saw this scribble .. well, the anthem of the Maydan people couldn’t resist
        2. BARKAS
          BARKAS 22 July 2016 09: 53
          +6
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          they themselves have personally encountered the so-called. "cop lawlessness"? Tell, the people will be interested.

          For example, I did not come across lawlessness in relation to myself and my friends, but I had to push against such a phenomenon as lawlessness inside the Ministry of Internal Affairs when they fabricated a case against their own employee, the second Chechen company that had begun, which began, and returned with an extraordinary title and awards!
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 22 July 2016 10: 17
            +2
            Quote: BARKAS
            For example, I did not encounter lawlessness in relation to myself and my friends
            Yes, the fact of the matter is that the probability of an ordinary law-abiding citizen to face such a phenomenon is a value close to zero. However, discussions about the general "cop arbitrariness" have become a commonplace that does not require any weighty arguments.
            Quote: BARKAS
            ..but it was pushed with such a phenomenon as lawlessness inside the Ministry of Internal Affairs
            I agree, it happens, but these are internal graters that have absolutely nothing to do with the average man in the street. After all, "each hut has its own rattles"
            Quote: CONTROL
            “Union of the Creators - Song of the seaside partisans”
            Oh, damn it, already epic chants about "people's defenders against the filthy cops" have been folded. Robin Hoods s.r.anye.
            1. BARKAS
              BARKAS 22 July 2016 10: 48
              +3
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Yes, the fact of the matter is that the probability of an ordinary law-abiding citizen to face such a phenomenon is a value close to zero. However, discussions about the general "cop arbitrariness" have become a commonplace that does not require any weighty arguments.

              Not everything is so simple, often a simple inaction of an employee, which happens very often heats up such sentiments among the people!
              On the other hand, the same officers are simply afraid to repeat the fate of the policeman about which I spoke above.
              1. Ami du peuple
                Ami du peuple 22 July 2016 13: 24
                +1
                Quote: BARKAS
                Not everything is so simple, often a simple inaction of an employee, which happens very often heats up such sentiments among the people!
                Here I have to, unfortunately, agree. But this is a long-standing systemic problem, since the time of the late Union.
            2. Bayonet
              Bayonet 22 July 2016 11: 06
              +3
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Yes, the fact of the matter is that the likelihood of an ordinary law-abiding citizen to encounter a similar phenomenon is close to zero.

              If he doesn’t leave the house! Yes, and that is not a fact, remember the case of the local gang?
              1. Ami du peuple
                Ami du peuple 22 July 2016 12: 46
                -4
                Quote: Bayonet
                .. remember the case of the local gang?
                I remember very well, but this is the end of the "dashing nineties", almost twenty years ago. And at the present time, can you give similar examples of high-profile cases? We do not take into account corruption - this is a slightly different topic. Not even purely Russian, but supranational.
                Quote: Bayonet
                Faced, but I will not cry in a vest. The people do not live on the moon, he knows everything.
                The people do not know about your troubles, although they do not live on the Moon (by the way, I noticed that such citizens like to refer to the people with a thoughtful and mysterious look). Tell me, dear. Intrigued straight. And it turns out sheer "blah blah blah" and windbag.
                1. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 23 July 2016 06: 28
                  0
                  Quote: Ami du peuple
                  By the way, I noticed that such citizens like to refer to people with a thoughtful and mysterious view of the people). Tell me, dear. Intrigued straight.

                  Here's how you all turned! About the people themselves started! I repeat, I solve my problems myself, and excessive curiosity (and even on behalf of the people) is a bad trait. hi
            3. godun
              godun 22 July 2016 12: 13
              +3
              PPSniki put a friend of the pensioner under a turfy blanket, which he prevented them from doing, a good, calm and thoroughly sick person, so far no one has understood, but to ask the policemen who are now alive, we’re embarrassed.
        3. Bayonet
          Bayonet 22 July 2016 10: 55
          +2
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Tell me, the people will be interested.

          Faced, but I will not cry in a vest. The people do not live on the moon, he knows everything. I remember the cops were on duty at work when Brezhnev died. Hawala vodka, jokes poisoned, one captain spoke bluntly, our motto - not a day without profit !. Funny guys ... True, they are far from the present - the appetites are not the same!
    3. Idiot
      Idiot 22 July 2016 08: 25
      +2
      And do jurors have any responsibility for the decisions made?
      1. Zulu_S
        Zulu_S 22 July 2016 09: 22
        +1
        Only in case of self-interest in the sentence (bribe, etc.)
    4. Verdun
      Verdun 22 July 2016 09: 45
      +9
      Quote: dmi.pris
      . Here and the result is the result of power in the country, or the indulgence and inaction of this power.

      Imagine what is happening in the region and what kind of life is there for ordinary people, if they even perceive such "partisans" as heroes?
    5. weksha50
      weksha50 22 July 2016 11: 56
      -1
      Quote: dmi.pris
      What did the jury have?Ordinary citizens, but we all hate drug dealers, policemen who cover drugs and go around rambling (a trifle, three people to an ATM, a police major is out of turn to withdraw money).


      Ahem ... I can’t say that I really respect the modern police-police (they themselves are guilty of this) ...
      But why were the jury not affected by the facts characterizing the personalities of these defenders? Why did it not work that these "defenders-fighters" are actually murderers?

      I agree, the major out of turn is the first-rate boor, so so - and kill him ???
    6. Lyubopyatov
      Lyubopyatov 22 July 2016 14: 41
      +1
      Power in Russia belongs to the Trotskyists throughout the vertical.
    7. Thronekeeper
      Thronekeeper 22 July 2016 17: 28
      +2
      What you are talking about is an example of domestic rudeness. It not only exists in the police, everyone climbs out of line everywhere and everything. And another example of the atomization of society. I have never met such a person, I myself am calmly waiting - after all, in Krasnodar or Rostov in a bank branch, if there is Sberbank, a couple of ATMs and one "payer", and if not, or in a supermarket, then there is no queue. If those present do not indicate solidarity condemnation, and / or rebuff to such in form or without, each for himself, then there is nothing else to expect.
      Corruption in the police is almost gone. Even the police station does not catch passers-by, and the district police officer does not stick his head in the gun safe to find where to get the money. The streets are in order, by and large. Although ours, one might say, have a corporate conflict with the police, probably since the Andropov times, but now you don't have to compare with which department is cooler, you just don't notice their presence. And their work, I would say, is noticeable. And in the Territory and in the Southern Federal District in general. In Sochi and Crimea, they are silk, but there are resort areas, the approach is different. As the administrative code has ceased to give fat, the "guardians" have changed so dramatically.
  2. vkl.47
    vkl.47 22 July 2016 08: 16
    -1
    I believe that in cases such as extremism and terrorism and especially grave cases, there should not be a jury
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 22 July 2016 09: 43
      0
      Quote: vkl.47
      I believe that in cases such as extremism and terrorism and especially grave cases, there should not be a jury

      The malicious terrorist Ivanov (consisting, according to rumors ... - of the ISIS banned in Russia ...) carried out another attack: he threw a rotten egg at People’s Choice N (Ivan Ivanovich Abramovich)! I got very accurately - in a tie from Armani (which irrevocably ruined him), which indicates a long preparation for the attack! the fact of rottenness of an egg established by experts odorously (by smell) speaks about the same thing!
      This attack is the fourteenth on the conscience of a notorious terrorist! How long ...
      ...etc!
      --------------------
      In the troubled time of rampant lawlessness among the provincial cops (and nothing else!), There were guys who dared to resist! First, they stood up for themselves; then they began to intercede for people - those who had been persecuted by the "valiant leftists"! Here are the reasons for the first verdict for all of you - under the control of the police and the prosecutor's office; and the second - by the PEOPLE'S jury!
      The casket is not even closed!
      ... And about drugs and "desertion" - is it not destiny to talk to the people? Even with the neighbors of the "terrorists"? And not be guided by reprints of the "yellow press" ...
      Ilya Litvak Russian partisan
      My homeland was torn apart -
      There were no mean enemies.
      I quietly partisan
      On the scraps of the native fields.
      Without exploding or shooting
      By a ruthless enemy
      I protect my fields
      How I can and how I can.
      Again it seems - everything is lost,
      Again they make us a coffin.
      Again Mother Motherland
      Under the cruel alien boot.
      But pray, remnants of the faithful,
      Be courageous as you get old.
      Immense universal filth
      Our altar is not yet embraced!
      And for our fraternal mass
      We will damage the enemy.
      In this church, simple and poor,
      Secret partisan caches.
      Hallelujah, fire on the bastards!
      Hallelujah! Hearts are pure.
      Somewhere on a sloping hill
      Already put crosses for us.
      And when I die in person
      The firmament of heaven has pierced
      They’ll hang a sign on my chest
      That I was a Russian partisan ...
    2. Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf 22 July 2016 09: 44
      +10
      Do you remember how the barracks collapsed and 24 cadets died under the rubble? So, today it was announced that all the defendants in the case were released to their homes without a court decision, seemingly under a written agreement not to leave. Does the case of Zhenechka Vasilyeva live and prosper? So much for "justice".
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 22 July 2016 10: 34
        +1
        Yes, these creatures can hang labels. And therefore, easily the only ones who did not limit themselves to complaints in Tyrnyt and who decided to rid the homeland of parasites with weapons in their hands were called bandits. Perhaps there were episodes, but all for the sake of a holy purpose. And therefore, they can and should close their eyes.
  3. atk44849
    atk44849 22 July 2016 14: 09
    -1
    yes in your mouth for a turn! catch pokemon !!!
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 22 July 2016 05: 31
    +13
    this is no longer a "crisis of the system" but something worse, they are no longer imprisoned for beatings, killer drivers, fraudsters (and from the Ministry of Defense), etc. ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 05: 36
      +8
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      this is no longer a "system crisis" but something worse, they are no longer imprisoned for beatings, murderers

      And who released them? - the jury! Who is the jury, are they not ordinary citizens?
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 22 July 2016 05: 38
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        this is no longer a "system crisis" but something worse, they are no longer imprisoned for beatings, murderers

        And who released them? - the jury! Who is the jury, are they not ordinary citizens?

        Sanya, c'mon on the jury, but what about Vasilyev’s heart?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 05: 41
          +6
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Sanya, c'mon on the jury, but what about Vasilyev’s heart?

          But all right, or are the jury good — is this a bad state that the jury is letting the killers loose?
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 22 July 2016 05: 44
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            Sanya, c'mon on the jury, but what about Vasilyev’s heart?

            But all right, or are the jury good — is this a bad state that the jury is letting the killers loose?

            the jury is the fruit of their state that they raised, they got ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 05: 58
              +2
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              the jury is the fruit of their state that they raised, they got ...

              And here the state is to blame, a convenient position. It’s just awesomely convenient.
              I will rob the bank and blame the state for it, but I’m like the fruit of the state.
              1. dmi.pris
                dmi.pris 22 July 2016 06: 05
                +3
                You will not go to rob a bank, because you are not a fruit of the state .. Unless, of course, you are the offspring of a "servant of the people", an official, a deputy. You are just a person who, by the will of fate, plows for this state ..
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                the jury is the fruit of their state that they raised, they got ...

                And here the state is to blame, a convenient position. It’s just awesomely convenient.
                I will rob the bank and blame the state for it, but I’m like the fruit of the state.
              2. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 22 July 2016 06: 39
                +6
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And here the state is to blame, a convenient position. It’s just awesomely convenient.
                I’ll rob the bank and blame the state for it,I'm like the fruit of the state.

                Moreover, the state is offended by the fruit - it does not give you nishtyaki for free, Alexander, but somehow makes you earn money for your bread. Yes, and tax off. And there are tens of millions of us, offended by the state. And everyone should join the partisans, rob banks, kill cops? And then on radio "Liberty" various rats will protect us, tell us what kind of "fighters against the bloody gebni regime" we are ...

                Indeed, some insanity .....
                "embezzlement of public funds on an especially large scale - seven years probation"

                "killing law enforcement officers as part of an organized criminal community is not punishable"

                "free travel on the bus - penalty by hanging"
                Absurdity, damn it ...
                1. mark2
                  mark2 22 July 2016 07: 40
                  +10

                  Zoldat_A
                  And there are tens of millions of us offended by the state. And everyone to go to the partisans, rob banks, kill cops?


                  Well, this is probably the only way to make any state, and even less so, think that in addition to power, there are also people who need to somehow earn a living, and not just a living, but a decent one. Only this is already called rebellion, rebellion, revolution, whatever.
                  1. Zoldat_A
                    Zoldat_A 22 July 2016 07: 59
                    +8
                    Quote: mark2
                    Only this is already called rebellion, rebellion, revolution, whatever.

                    For rebellion, rebellion, revolution it is necessary that people "have nothing to lose but their chains." And we each have at least a shabby "Khrushchev", but - his own, even a ragged "Logan", but - his own. Moreover, there is no dacha ... And if there is some kind of trade on the market, it’s not good at all ... And then again, flights to Turkey were opened, for an olinkclusive ... What a revolution here ... and the calculation - the bourgeois mass is extremely apassionary ...

                    Either sit in your place and fix your primus, or individually go rob and declare yourself a "fighter against tyranny." The choice is limited ...

                    For twenty-odd years I have run into trouble - for myself I choose a stove ... For my granddaughters I’ve made a table with chairs - and I'm glad ...
                    1. Idiot
                      Idiot 22 July 2016 08: 46
                      +1
                      And what good is there in a mass of poverty and barefoot, ready to tear at the click of a throat?
                    2. CONTROL
                      CONTROL 22 July 2016 09: 54
                      +2
                      Quote: Zoldat_A
                      petty bourgeois masses are extremely apassionary ....

                      Petty bourgeois - not an estate, and not a social stratum, but - as Gorky showed (to those who want to see) - a state of mind, spiritual status in society!
                      Quote: Zoldat_A
                      For twenty-odd years I have run into trouble - for myself I choose a stove ... For my granddaughters I’ve made a table with chairs - and I'm glad ...

                      ... yes, yes - it's a choice!
                      ... bourgeois ...
                      1. Zoldat_A
                        Zoldat_A 23 July 2016 00: 48
                        +2
                        Quote: CONTROL
                        Quote: Zoldat_A
                        petty bourgeois masses are extremely apassionary ....

                        Quote: Zoldat_A
                        For twenty-odd years I have run into trouble - for myself I choose a stove ... For my granddaughters I’ve made a table with chairs - and I'm glad ...

                        ... yes, yes - it's a choice!
                        ... bourgeois ...

                        This choice is not petty bourgeois, but retirement. He fought for more than twenty years, then built twenty-five years - do I have the right to at least retire to do what my hands ask for? Yes, and the granddaughters are pleased ...
                      2. Chisayna
                        Chisayna 23 July 2016 01: 13
                        +2
                        Yes! But we don’t even know who lives next to us. A veteran, no Veteran, more than twenty years to fight, not everyone can. You need to be buried near the Kremlin wall. YOU HAVE THREE THREE HERO RUSSIA. Twenty-odd years !!! In the trenches, under fire, in Plastunsky !!! Tell me, but in the history books of the Russian Federation YOU personally do not?
                  2. valerei
                    valerei 22 July 2016 12: 40
                    +1
                    Quote: Zoldat_A
                    Iya, the revolution needs people "to have nothing to lose but their chains." And we each have at least a shabby "Khrushchev", but - his own, even a ragged "Logan", but - his own. Moreover, there is no dacha ... And if there is some kind of trade on the market, it’s not good at all ... And then again, flights to Turkey were opened, for an olinkclusive ... What a revolution here ... and the calculation - the bourgeois mass is extremely apassionary ...

                    We read further V.I. Lenin. A revolutionary situation is created when not only the “lower classes” do not want to, but also the “upper classes” cannot. In our life today, the "lower classes" may not want to, but the "upper classes" can still do something.
                    1. Zoldat_A
                      Zoldat_A 23 July 2016 00: 50
                      +2
                      Quote: valerei
                      In our life today, the "lower classes" may not want to, but the "upper classes" can still do something.

                      And I say that - there is no and cannot be a revolutionary situation in Russia.
            2. Tambov Wolf
              Tambov Wolf 22 July 2016 09: 56
              +4
              Mr. Romanov, the question is not quite the topic. By the fall, a law on child donation will be submitted to the State Duma. This was also loudly announced on TV today. Can you tell me in which country blood was taken from children, in recent times, about seventy years ago? Yes, and you, will you give permission, even if they ask you, for your grandson or granddaughter to give blood, if you take into account the fact that AIDS in Russia has long built a nest in the "health care system"? And another question, who will this blood go to? Otherwise, absolutely bad thoughts begin to come to mind, like "and they drink the blood of Christian babies"? This is me for your "And here the state is to blame, a convenient position."
        2. EvgNik
          EvgNik 22 July 2016 06: 32
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          But all right, or are the jury good — is this a bad state that the jury is letting the killers loose?

          Alexander, the jury is also people. We approached them, warned - and how did they vote? Life is more expensive.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 06: 35
            -2
            Quote: EvgNik
            We approached them, warned - and how did they vote? Life is more expensive.

            None will threaten the jury. Not one !!!
            1. EvgNik
              EvgNik 22 July 2016 11: 42
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              None will threaten the jury. Not one !!!

              Why? I doubt it very much.
        3. Leto
          Leto 22 July 2016 06: 44
          +8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          what does the jury let loose on killers?

          If the prosecution did not find real evidence of the involvement of the accused in the crime, then what are the claims to the jury? Do you think that the jury is giving a verdict on the principle of "what a good boy, he will improve"?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 07: 06
            +6
            Quote: Leto
            If the prosecution did not find real evidence of the defendants' involvement in the crime

            The prosecution believes that there are and earlier they were already found guilty.
            Quote: Leto
            Do you think that the jury is giving a verdict on the principle of "what a good boy, he will improve"?

            There have been cases in our jury practice. One shot kills an employee, then another police officer. Seized on the spot, there was evidence, at least remove the sheets from the case.
            The result, was found not guilty by the jury and only because they did not agree with the wording. Namely, the question - is "Ivanov" guilty of killing a police officer? - the answer is no. grief jury nichrome not understanding legal intricacies, deliberating came to the conclusion that yes, he killed, but did not know that he was killing a police officer. The verdict, whether he is guilty of the premeditated murder of a police officer, is not guilty.
            He was of course then planted, but that's another story.
            In other words, the jury sometimes conferring, think up and draw conclusions not from the evidence of the parties, but based on their own opinion.
            Simple ignorance of the laws often plays a trick, with almost everyone. Few people know that having bought a train ticket and sitting while waiting for it, you go to the toilet of the railway station and pay denyuzhku to visit it. Although you just need to show a ticket and ask for free . Few people know their rights and even less people are familiar with the legal subtleties.
            1. Leto
              Leto 22 July 2016 07: 40
              +12
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              The prosecution believes that there are and earlier they were already found guilty.

              The prosecution can consider anything if its opinion is not supported by appropriate evidence that is not in doubt (I recall that all doubts are interpreted in favor of the accused), then the prosecutor can wipe his opinion.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              was found not guilty by the jury, and only because they did not agree with the wording. Namely, the question - is "Ivanov" guilty of killing a police officer? - the answer is no. grief jury nichrome not understanding legal intricacies, deliberating came to the conclusion that yes, he killed, but did not know that he was killing a police officer.

              The different severity of the crime committed. Accordingly, a different article. In your opinion, the jury acquitted the accused under Art. 317 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, having found Art. 105 of the Criminal Code. Accordingly, the investigation was to re-qualify the article and re-submit the case to court. Again, the reason for this is the poor work of the prosecutor's investigator.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              In other words, the jury sometimes conferring, think up and draw conclusions not from the evidence of the parties, but based on their own opinion.

              No, it's just that "some" investigators are simply not simply incompetent and openly drive me to get along in the hope that the prosecutor will solve everything ...
            2. Idiot
              Idiot 22 July 2016 08: 49
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Few people know that having bought a train ticket and sitting while waiting for it, you go to the toilet of the railway station and pay denyuzhku to visit it. Although you just need to show the ticket and ask for free


              The toilet room at the Russian Railways station leased the IP (as a rule to its own), and the IP deeply shit on your ticket. His goal is to make a profit.
            3. Verdun
              Verdun 22 July 2016 11: 23
              -1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              The verdict, whether he is venous in the clever murder of a police officer, is not guilty.

              And, from a legal point of view, the jury was 100% right. Because for the murder of a police officer, according to the law, there is one article, and for the murder of an ordinary citizen, it is completely different. These "legal subtleties" are the realities of our life and they influence a lot.
              1. Thronekeeper
                Thronekeeper 22 July 2016 17: 45
                +1
                Judged on two counts - assault on a police officer and intentional murder. The jury votes each item separately. If the first is not, then theoretically could not justify intentional murder. In practice, several killed policemen went unpunished, or the killers were liquidated in a not quite legal way or committed suicide, but the jury justified them on the 105th as well. Actually with Plevako and the case of Vera Zasulich - terrorists, by the way, such a booze went. Sympathy for the accused.
            4. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 23 July 2016 01: 01
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              There have been cases in our jury practice. One shot kills an employee, then another police officer. Seized on the spot, there was evidence, at least remove the sheets from the case.
              The result, was found not guilty by the jury and only because they did not agree with the wording. Namely, the question - is "Ivanov" guilty of killing a police officer? - the answer is no. grief jury nichrome not understanding legal intricacies, deliberating came to the conclusion that yes, he killed, but did not know that he was killing a police officer. The verdict, whether he is guilty of the premeditated murder of a police officer, is not guilty.
              He was of course then planted, but that's another story.
              In other words, the jury sometimes conferring, think up and draw conclusions not from the evidence of the parties, but based on their own opinion.

              Mikhalkov's film "Twelve". A lot of turbidity, when the question is clear - to the wall!
        4. investor
          investor 22 July 2016 07: 09
          +7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          what does the jury let loose on killers?

          You, as usual, are completely unaware of what is happening.
          What killings were the accused charged with and what evidence did the investigation bring you know? At least very, very approximately?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 07: 29
            -3
            Quote: investor
            You, as usual, are completely unaware of what is happening.

            Well, if so, enlighten the wretched, what really happened. I suppose that while sitting in Austria you got acquainted with the materials of the Department of Foreign Affairs.
            1. Leto
              Leto 22 July 2016 07: 42
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              I believe that you, sitting in Austria, have familiarized yourself with the materials of UD.

              What does it matter? You also did not read the indictment, it is not in the public domain, at least not found on the network.
            2. investor 2
              investor 2 22 July 2016 08: 54
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov

              Well, if so, enlighten the wretched, what really happened.

              Holy in the church. Of course, I can bring you up to date a bit, but I think it will not help much in your habit of commenting on something that you have no idea.
          2. Idiot
            Idiot 22 July 2016 08: 52
            -4
            Well, tell me. No need to write nonsense with a mysterious look. No one here knows you except this.
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    2. Bongo
      Bongo 22 July 2016 06: 22
      +18
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      And who released them? - the jury! Who is the jury, are they not ordinary citizens?

      Hi Sasha! I put a minus to the article, and here's why. When writing this publication, the author turned a lot on its head and apparently used exclusively “official sources.” The “Primorsk partisans” came from the regional center - the village of Kirovsky, and the original reason for their illegal actions was the arbitrariness of the “law enforcement agencies”. Another question is that they did not fight with their offenders, but with those who "turn up at hand." I am not justifying their actions, but in this matter, much is not easy, and a number of "officials" whose actions ultimately caused serious crimes were not punished. In Kirovsky itself, where I have repeatedly visited and talked with the local population, the actions of these guys, if they do not inspire approval, then among the common people there is a clear understanding of why this happened.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 06: 35
        +5
        Quote: Bongo
        m the actions of these guys, if not encouraging, then among the common people there is a clear understanding of why this happened.

        Hello, Sergey! This partly explains the jury's verdict.
        I recall our neighboring city of Amur in 2000. Will you come up to the roof, is there a roof? And he answered, of course, under Plyaskin. Plyaskin at that time was the head of the 6th department.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 22 July 2016 06: 43
          +13
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Hello, Sergey! This partly explains the jury's verdict.

          Yes, probably. yes Let's just say that the "official point of view" voiced by the media and the opinion of local residents on this matter, as a rule, did not coincide. I will not understand the actions of the "partisans" now, but they attributed a lot of unnecessary things and poured too much dirt on them. It should be understood in what conditions and where they grew up, this is a depressed village where there were no prospects, the arbitrariness of the administration and police officials reigned, who rebuilt themselves luxurious mansions. I talked to a teacher who taught some of these guys. She spoke of them not badly, most likely the young people who faced injustice at some stage were "blown away".
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 07: 08
            0
            Quote: Bongo
            ... I will not understand the actions of the "partisans" now, but they attributed a lot of unnecessary things and poured too much dirt on them. It should be understood in what conditions and where they grew up, this is a depressed village where there were no prospects, the arbitrariness of the administration and police officials reigned, who rebuilt themselves luxurious mansions. Talked to the teacher some of these guys were with

            Say you were one of the jurors lol
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 22 July 2016 07: 09
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Say you were one of the jurors

              I can't be a jury ... request
            2. Idiot
              Idiot 22 July 2016 08: 58
              -1
              There is a gorgeous American comedy "The Duty of the Jury" 1995. Everything is shown there, including motivation ...
        2. investor
          investor 22 July 2016 07: 14
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov

          This partly explains the jury's verdict.

          And what explains the decision of the Supreme Court, which in 2015 revised the jury's verdict and commuted the punishment for the "partisans"?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 07: 16
            -1
            Quote: investor

            And what explains the decision of the Supreme Court, which in 2015 revised the jury's verdict and commuted the punishment for the "partisans"?

            Softened or canceled?
            1. Leto
              Leto 22 July 2016 07: 44
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Softened or canceled?

              Softened. The Supreme Court commutes the punishment by considering the convict’s complaint if he sees that the deed does not correspond to the established punishment.
        3. Idiot
          Idiot 22 July 2016 08: 55
          +1
          I misunderstood: did you offer a "roof" to commerce?
      2. investor
        investor 22 July 2016 07: 21
        0
        Quote: Bongo
        When writing this publication, the author turned a lot on its head and, apparently, used exclusively "official sources". "

        When writing almost all of his articles, the author turns everything upside down and takes "information" from the ceiling.
        The author does not even approximately know what a "fact checker" is.
      3. Beefeater
        Beefeater 22 July 2016 08: 04
        +3
        Murder is murder, who is there and who fought no matter. Or you have to change the laws.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 22 July 2016 08: 08
          +15
          Quote: Beefeater
          Murder is murder, who is there and who fought no matter. Or you have to change the laws.

          Laws do not need to be changed No. They only need to be strictly observed, and with respect to all the same, regardless of the position and financial situation.
          1. dauria
            dauria 22 July 2016 08: 55
            +9
            They only need to be strictly observed,


            "In a foreign country, I do not ask if the laws are good or bad. I ask if they are being implemented."

            You're right . But this is Russia. For all, only Ohm's law is the same for us. request

            Well, it’s not worth worrying about in this particular case. Tea is not Vasiliev with Serdyukov - they will still plant.
        2. Verdun
          Verdun 22 July 2016 11: 30
          +2
          Quote: Beefeater
          Murder is murder, who is there and who fought no matter. Or you have to change the laws.

          You are just like in that quote from "An Ordinary Miracle" by Schwartz.
          When his beloved wife was strangled with him, he stood beside him and persuaded: be patient, maybe everything will work out!
          People kill for various reasons. Sometimes, due to the fact that there is no other way to protect your life and the life of loved ones. Or, from a similar situation, you will stand and wait when they kill you like a sheep?
      4. bovig
        bovig 22 July 2016 08: 28
        +8
        Quote: Bongo
        The "Primorsk partisans" are natives of the regional center - the village of Kirovsky, and the primary cause of their illegal actions was the arbitrariness of "law enforcement agencies". Another question is that they fought not with their offenders, but with those who "turn up at hand." I am not justifying their actions, but in this matter, much is not easy, and a number of "officials" whose actions ultimately caused serious crimes were not punished. In Kirovsky itself, where I have repeatedly visited and talked with the local population, the actions of these guys, if they do not inspire approval, then among the common people there is a clear understanding of why this happened.

        Quote: Bongo
        Let's just say that the "official point of view" voiced by the media and the opinion of local residents on this matter, as a rule, did not coincide. I will not understand the actions of the "partisans" now, but they attributed a lot of unnecessary things and poured too much dirt on them. It is worth understanding in what conditions and where they grew up, this is a depressed village where there were no prospects, the arbitrariness of the administration and police officials who rebuilt themselves luxurious mansions reigned. I talked to a teacher who taught some of these guys. She spoke of them not badly, most likely the young people who faced injustice at some stage were "blown away".

        There was a lot of noise around this story, so I followed it from the outside, using not only official sources of information ... Apparently (but this is IMHO), the whole series of their crimes was a response to the aggression against them by law enforcement agencies, this allowed the jury to deliver its verdict. Regarding the questions that have arisen about the millions spent on lawyers - how these millions could be spent by those who "were not punished" and who did not want to be punished for "newly discovered circumstances" ... There are times when influential people want the witness to be silent - this is not easy to do if the witness is in prison, or in the zone for life and is not motivated by anything ...
        And after the epic with Serdyukov and Vasilyeva, the oddities of the law enforcement system do not surprise me!))))
      5. Idiot
        Idiot 22 July 2016 08: 54
        +2
        Apparently they chose the jury from those who have a clear understanding ...
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 July 2016 06: 55
      +8
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      And who released them? - jury!

      Accordingly, the jury has access to complete information, and not to that hodgepodge from the media. And here we are trying to draw conclusions based on the "source code" of the media.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 22 July 2016 07: 01
        +12
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Accordingly, the jury has access to complete information, and not to that hodgepodge from the media. And here we are trying to draw conclusions based on the "source code" of the media.

        The official media very much distorted the picture of what happened. In 2011-2014, many fences and walls in Primorye, and especially in the village of Kirovsky, were written off with slogans in support of "partisans". Public utilities did not have time to paint over these slogans, just a couple of days later new ones appeared on this place. All the same, you shouldn't believe everything that is written and said in our media. After reading this publication, I was once again convinced of this.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 July 2016 07: 10
          +4
          Hi Seryoga! hi
          Quote: Bongo
          After reviewing this publication, I was once again convinced of this.

          Yes, Volodin disappointed. request
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 22 July 2016 07: 13
            +8
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Hi Seryoga!

            Healthy Igor!
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Yes, Volodin disappointed.

            Apparently, he too trusted the "official point of view." This case of the "Primorsk partisans" is very difficult and I would hesitate to draw unambiguous conclusions.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 07: 32
              -1
              Quote: Bongo
              Apparently, he too trusted the "official point of view."

              Sergei, but where in unofficial sources can you read that they are innocent?
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 22 July 2016 07: 36
                +6
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Sergei, but where in unofficial sources can you read that they are innocent?

                What do you mean by unofficial sources? Opinion of local residents or materials of a criminal case that was conducted with violations? It would be all clear in this case, no jury would have let them go, and the second trial itself did not take place.
            2. weksha50
              weksha50 22 July 2016 12: 39
              +1
              Quote: Bongo
              Apparently, he too trusted the "official point of view."



              Guys (Sergey and Igor), I understand you perfectly ... The matter is not simple ...

              However - "onizhedeti" - "fighters" are real killers ... Released from custody in the courtroom ... And before that - sentenced to life imprisonment ...

              That is all - not insanity ??? And - absolutely from all sides ???

              PS Verily, in order to discuss this case, it is necessary to read all the judicial materials ... But, firstly, who will give them in the open press, and secondly, there is no certainty in rigging some facts ...

              Ugh ... I'm leaving this topic ... But an unpleasant aftertaste remains ...
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 07: 18
        0
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Accordingly, the jury has access to complete information, and not that hodgepodge from the media

        They are present at the trial, they don’t have and cannot have access to the full information. They sit and listen to the parties and on the evidence presented by the parties, issue their verdict.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 July 2016 08: 32
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          they have no access to the full infe and cannot be

          Sanya, do you know that the jury gets acquainted with all the materials of the case, and not only listens to the arguments of the parties?
          P.S. Well, hello or something! hi
    4. Idiot
      Idiot 22 July 2016 08: 43
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      And who released them? - the jury! Who is the jury, are they not ordinary citizens?


      Not simple. I am sure that they are very interested financially. Why did they choose them from the ninth attempt, find those who have no conscience and everything else?
    5. Zulu_S
      Zulu_S 22 July 2016 09: 31
      -2
      Do you want a Special Meeting to take care of you personally? And the conspiracy was carried out for reasons of "political expediency"? What does this lead to? Remember the story of your famous namesake.
    6. AUL
      AUL 22 July 2016 14: 37
      0
      And who released them? - the jury! Who is the jury, are they not ordinary citizens?
      Have you ever wondered who these juries are? Who selects them, who instructs, who and how introduces them to the course of the case under investigation? I think that correctly selected, trained and instructed jurors will always make the decision necessary for someone. Especially if one of them has points that can be pressed on (and this is not necessarily money).
  • tracer
    tracer 22 July 2016 05: 34
    +2
    Akhedzhakova probably wouldn’t hinder to see them before tradition either. Generally nonsense of course. What is such a diametrically opposing sentence?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 05: 38
      +4
      Quote: tracer
      What is such a diametrically opposing sentence?

      If in the near future, the jury will suddenly inherit in Moscow or have already received, in the form of apartments or something else. That’s all clear. The question is where the money comes from, who pays for lawyers and so on. They are not thieves in law.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 22 July 2016 06: 51
      0
      Quote: tracer
      Akhedzhakova probably wouldn’t hinder to see them before tradition either.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 05: 34
    +6
    Jump from life, how much dough went to lawyers and who paid it ???
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 22 July 2016 05: 40
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Jump from life, how much dough went to lawyers and who paid it ???

      lawyers are pike children, stronger than the prosecution. yes ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 05: 49
        +4
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich

        lawyers pike children

        E no, if the lawyer is free from the state, then he is in court, will not differ much from the prosecutor.
        That's why I say, where does the money for lawyers come from, the lawyer is not cheap at all, especially since the lawyers have been leading them since the arrest. These are millions of rubles. Someone paid. But this is one side of the coin.
        now second
        They received a verdict, further appeal goes to the highest court. And here it’s a misunderstanding, is the higher court examining a helper in the presence of a jury?
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 22 July 2016 10: 47
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Jump from life, how much dough went to lawyers and who paid it ???

      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Are you approaching the commerce roof? And he answered -Of course, near Plyaskin. Plyaskin at that time was the head of the 6 department.

      Maybe those businesses paid a lawyer who were tired of paying various Plyaskins? recourse
  • PKK
    PKK 22 July 2016 05: 43
    +3
    Here it is not necessary to judge by jury, but by a trio, cheaper and faster.
  • azer
    azer 22 July 2016 05: 48
    +1
    Our court is the most fair and humane court in the world cheers !!!!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 06: 00
      0
      Quote: azer
      Our court is the most fair and humane court in the world cheers !!!!

      And what does the court have to do with it? The court ruled on the basis of a jury verdict. Previously, the court issued a jail verdict on the basis of a jury verdict! It is not clear why the review, and even with the jury, that I did not hear that the verdict was declared invalid for some reason.
      1. brasist
        brasist 22 July 2016 07: 36
        0
        As the court couldn’t have taken the jury’s decision and ordered a review of the case, the jury simply bought or intimidated, apparently, the (prosecutor’s roof) didn’t do it ...

        Article 389.25. The annulment of the acquittal, decided on the basis of the acquittal of the jury

        [Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation] [Chapter 45.1] [Article 389.25]
  • Tsoy
    Tsoy 22 July 2016 05: 54
    +3
    he shot himself during detention using the kidnapped police officer


    Fell unsuccessfully apparently ...

    And the situation is extremely unpleasant. The acquittal of the bandits? Muddy story.
  • Homo
    Homo 22 July 2016 05: 54
    +7
    Being familiar with the jury, I heard enough of him. One "lady", when discussing robbery with infliction of serious bodily (before disability), managed to say: "Look how he is stylishly dressed, what hairstyle, how he speaks beautifully, and we have him for 10 years, he will be a barbarian, we will lose an intelligent society "! belay
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 06: 02
      +5
      Quote: Homo
      "Look how stylishly he is dressed, what hairstyle, how he speaks beautifully, and we have him for 10 years, he will come out as a barbarian, we will lose an intelligent member of society!"

      Well, he didn’t rob her, therefore, he looks at his clothes and listens to his ears, and he passes ears to the proof from the prosecutor.
      1. Homo
        Homo 22 July 2016 13: 40
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well, he didn’t rob her, therefore, he looks at his clothes and listens to his ears, and he passes ears to the proof from the prosecutor.

        It would have rolled if the victim had not sat in front of her in a wheelchair.
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 22 July 2016 05: 58
    -4
    "You, the juror, b ..., well, live an acquittal verdict b ..., you will get the dough. But if you vote wrong, we will cut your head off for you and the kids."
    Here is a variant of the "approach" to the jury.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 06: 10
      +3
      Quote: Dimy4
      And if you don't vote like that, we'll cut off your head and you and the kids. "

      No one has been practicing this approach for a long time. Even when the General Court was tried, 200 Lyamas were allocated for defense. They bribed the jury in batches, cleaned up witnesses, bribed prosecutors, but it was more expensive to threaten the jury.
      If, after threats, the jury appeals to the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the prosecutor that he is being threatened in the case, then they will immediately take the person who has access to the base for the trunk. The defendants will immediately be denied a trial by jury.
      Therefore, if the lawyer can get the cherished list of jurors, then there is 100% guaranteed that not a single hair will fall from them.
      1. Lyton
        Lyton 22 July 2016 06: 44
        -8
        From life to their release in the courtroom, they obviously bought a jury here, they’re not really stupid, so turn everything upside down, in fact they themselves must be put in this situation.
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 22 July 2016 10: 11
          +4
          Quote: Lyton
          From life to their release in the courtroom, they obviously bought a jury here, they’re not really stupid, so turn everything upside down, in fact they themselves must be put in this situation.

          There was Nothing to buy; the accused are poor beggar! ...
          1. Lyton
            Lyton 22 July 2016 12: 56
            -1
            Quote: CONTROL
            Quote: Lyton
            From life to their release in the courtroom, they obviously bought a jury here, they’re not really stupid, so turn everything upside down, in fact they themselves must be put in this situation.

            There was Nothing to buy; the accused are poor beggar! ...

            Yes, really, it’s good that you told me about it, otherwise I considered them oligarchs.
      2. ssergn
        ssergn 22 July 2016 06: 45
        0
        Not in the know, in this case the jury was the highest court, or will there still be an appeal against the verdict? If so, then hope remains at the highest (highest) level. The Supreme Court seems to have not been canceled ..
        And yes, the decision is more than strange. Given the proven facts, and even under such articles. I’m wondering, because in the operative part of the decision the jury should have drawn conclusions on what they were guided by when making such a decision. That would be more detailed to find out. And then discuss the last proposal from the decision - to crush the water in the mortar. It’s more important to understand jury motives.
  • tracer
    tracer 22 July 2016 06: 28
    -1
    I think the matter is not in the mysterious amount of the jury that someone drew on someone’s head, but in our usual gagging, and nonsense. The jury was clearly not familiar with the cases, and the aunts’ compassion in the commission was well known.
  • Baloo
    Baloo 22 July 2016 06: 32
    +1
    I can’t understand who protects justice, a criminal from justice or justice from a criminal?
    What would be the motives for the crimes they killed? Did they shoot? Did they rob?
    This is a serious process, indicative of the case of the Pinocchio malvina, in which, in essence, justice is not called justice.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 06: 42
      +2
      Quote: Balu
      I can’t understand who protects justice, a criminal from justice or justice from a criminal?

      The question is on whose side the gentlemen of the jury have taken up. Rather, it is.
      Quote: Balu
      What would be the motives for the crimes they killed? Did they shoot? Did they rob?

      Yes.
      Quote: Balu
      as is the case of the Malvina-Pinocchio, in which, in essence, justice and justice cannot be called

      The comparison is not correct, the malvina did not have a jury trial.
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 22 July 2016 10: 15
      +1
      Quote: Balu
      I can’t understand who protects justice, a criminal from justice or justice from a criminal?
      What would be the motives for the crimes they killed? Did they shoot? Did they rob?
      This is a serious process, indicative of the case of the Pinocchio malvina, in which, in essence, justice is not called justice.

      The actions of the "Primorsk partisans" are the actions of the modern "abreks" or "robin hoods"!
      And what PEOPLE condemn Robin Hood? ... unless the sheriff of Nottingham ...
      1. tracer
        tracer 22 July 2016 14: 11
        -4
        If they are "Robin Hoods" then Chikatillo is just "Saint Valentine".
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 22 July 2016 06: 35
    +1
    "It's strange, it's strange, it's strange to be in trouble." (from)
  • Fei_Wong
    Fei_Wong 22 July 2016 06: 35
    -4
    Only 6 years old? Little, little criminally served.
  • engineering
    engineering 22 July 2016 06: 41
    0
    The work of law enforcement agencies, which proved the involvement of these criminals in the commission of crimes, went all the way to the dog, and this is the hellish routine work of a single month and year, not just one department, to reveal evidence of involvement in the crimes committed by this gang. It is a pity that in our country such things happen very often, when money and the position of untouchables solve all questions.
  • AID.S
    AID.S 22 July 2016 06: 44
    +7
    Inevitably, the question arises about the quality of the investigation and the evidence base, since the Supreme Court overturned the first verdict ... and there are "vague doubts" about the quality of this work today ... no matter how justified they are ...
  • parusnik
    parusnik 22 July 2016 06: 45
    -1
    Nobody teaches history, history does not teach anything ... I remember .. over 100 years ago, the jury of the terrorists justified ... what ended .. Dancing on a rake ..
  • Xmyp
    Xmyp 22 July 2016 06: 47
    +4
    “The murder of representatives of the drug syndicate is a good thing too. Otherwise, in our structures, they themselves protect the representatives.
  • Xmyp
    Xmyp 22 July 2016 06: 50
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich

    lawyers pike children

    E no, if the lawyer is free from the state, then he is in court, will not differ much from the prosecutor.
    That's why I say, where does the money for lawyers come from, the lawyer is not cheap at all, especially since the lawyers have been leading them since the arrest. These are millions of rubles. Someone paid. But this is one side of the coin.
    now second

    A normal lawyer costs 100 thousand rubles per month + extra. expenses. For 3 months of maintenance, the maximum will be 500 thousand rubles. Do you think to find 500 thousand such a problem?

    A free lawyer, this is an ordinary "creature" who works in a group with snoopers to suck dough from parents (etc.), everyone knows that.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 07: 09
      0
      Quote: XmyP
      . For 3 months of maintenance, the maximum will be 500 thousand rubles. Do you think to find 500 thousand such a problem?

      But nothing that they are already 6 years old, under the lawyers?
  • engineering
    engineering 22 July 2016 07: 07
    -2
    Quote: XmyP
    A free lawyer, this is an ordinary "creature" who works in a group with snoopers to suck dough from parents (etc.), everyone knows that.

    You Roman had problems with the law, where did such awareness come from, or maybe there have been enough domestic TV shows? There are some cases in the family, not without a freak, as elsewhere, but why are you lowering the entire investigative committee with free lawyers below the baseboard.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 July 2016 07: 21
      +1
      Quote: engineering

      You Roman had problems with the law, where did such awareness come from, and

      No need to have problems with the law to know this.
      Quote: engineering
      There are some cases in the family, not without a freak, as elsewhere, but why are you lowering the entire investigative committee with free lawyers below the baseboard.

      Give me an example where a free lawyer with his nose digs the earth at his own expense. If you watched a movie, where lawyers tear their hair out, protecting their protégés for free, this movie is nothing more.
      1. engineering
        engineering 22 July 2016 09: 04
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        No need to have problems with the law to know this.

        Yes, of course, all the free lawyers - the "creatures", all the investigators - are taking money from their parents, so what?
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Give me an example where a free lawyer with his nose digs the earth at his own expense. If you watched a movie, where lawyers tear their hair out, protecting their protégés for free, this movie is nothing more.

        Yes, if an educated literate person has only one conclusion about the work of free lawyers, then you have never had problems with the law and you were not in prison, which I am very happy for you. Convicts in places of deprivation of liberty very often resort to the services of free lawyers, as not everyone is able to pay for these services. There are results, and there are plenty of them, to whom the term is being revised downwards, whom they are sending to re-mode, etc. Of course, lawyers don’t dig the earth with their nose, but they do their job.
      2. Leto
        Leto 22 July 2016 09: 07
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        If you watched a movie, where lawyers tear their hair out, protecting their protégés for free, this movie is nothing more.

        That's for sure ... as Chris Cooper said in Route 60
        liars - lawyers
    2. Leto
      Leto 22 July 2016 08: 59
      +2
      Quote: engineering
      You Roman had problems with the law, where did such awareness come from, or maybe there have been enough domestic TV shows?

      Free lawyers sometimes come to an agreement with investigators or operatives for the sake of profit, of course, this is far from uncommon. The task of a free lawyer is to conclude an agreement with the accused in order to lead him to the verdict and for this he is ready for a lot. A typical situation, they took a group of youngsters who committed a gang rape and murder of a girl of their own age, the first question of the lawyer to me: "Which of them has richer parents?" Again, everything depends on the lawyer himself, if his clients are normal, then he wanted to spit on the investigation, on the contrary, he would stick to sticks. If he is in trouble with this, then on the contrary, he will seek friendship with snoopers for the sake of a client base ...
  • Predator
    Predator 22 July 2016 07: 21
    +5
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: Bayonet
    The deputy head of the GSU SK of Russia was arrested

    It is now. Then they "ruled", and I doubt that the "above" did not know about it.

    Fish rots from the head, and cleaned from the tail .....
  • Stinger
    Stinger 22 July 2016 07: 27
    +1
    Made an anecdote from the jury. In all countries, this judgment is final. "Jury trials" in Russian are held up to 10 times. After that, the number of "guilty" and "innocent" verdicts is calculated. In the case of a tie, a final trial is held and all participants in both the court and the utensils are put in prison. You can also surprise spectators in the hall.
  • ava09
    ava09 22 July 2016 07: 28
    +7
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    The stump is clear, yet "they will fight the arbitrariness." But after that it will be necessary to take by the bells the one who justifies them now ...

    Those who usurped power in 1991 gave rise to all negative socio-economic phenomena in RFii. The illegal destruction of the State of the USSR gave impetus to the nationalism and corruption of law enforcement officers. Now these "wanderers of Zion" and their henchmen are "courageously" fighting the consequences of their own plunder of the people's resources. It's time to stop believing in fairy tales, political, socio-economic reforms are carried out by the authorities, and anyone else is responsible for their consequences, but not this very government?
  • Chisayna
    Chisayna 22 July 2016 08: 14
    +3
    Not at all justifying these partisans. But, after meeting with our valiant police, and after already with the police. So he also wants to answer them, because they deserve it, but I have something to answer. But, it stops that our policemen are such angels , they’re all white and fluffy and their eyes, the police are so kind, here. Yes, but after 1917, the police, the police, the police officers, the gendarmes and others just hung up. And the story repeats itself, soon 2017. thinking out loud.
    1. excomandante
      excomandante 22 July 2016 08: 40
      -3
      What, the district head slammed and forced snot to wipe?
      1. Chisayna
        Chisayna 22 July 2016 08: 42
        0
        Are you talking about yourself.
        1. excomandante
          excomandante 2 August 2016 09: 32
          0
          About you, you moron.
    2. Pushkar
      Pushkar 22 July 2016 11: 28
      -1
      Still, what kind of police are you talking about - yours, American, or about ours, Russian? Forgive me generously, the striped flag is embarrassing in combination with "our valiant militia".
      1. Chisayna
        Chisayna 22 July 2016 17: 26
        0
        I am now in Tuva, on the salt lake Dus-Khol. Come, I will explain what the difference is.
        1. Pushkar
          Pushkar 22 July 2016 22: 37
          -1
          Foreign tourist, then.
          1. Chisayna
            Chisayna 23 July 2016 00: 48
            0
            Most likely, you are a foreign tourist. And I was born in Siberia, I have lived all my life in Siberia, with the exception of serving in other regions. I once served in Kyzyl, so I go to Tuva every year to rest.
            1. Pushkar
              Pushkar 23 July 2016 10: 29
              0
              I was born in Kazan. Third Generation Officer. He served only in Russia. And I live only there, and my children and grandchildren are also in Russia. He didn’t leave for sausage in the USA. You are an emigrant at the moment. Intourist in Tuva.
              1. Chisayna
                Chisayna 23 July 2016 21: 00
                0
                Don't look at the flag, fireworks. I'm not setting the flag for myself. And it's strange, yours ... they lick this flag. The "ochwitzer" is in the "third" generation. Do you remember the roots, gunner.
                1. Pushkar
                  Pushkar 24 July 2016 00: 37
                  0
                  And hto, it’s a bad flag for you tossed - I can’t imagine. What kind of people are bad. And darlings, Petliurists, I directly adore.
  • Million
    Million 22 July 2016 08: 52
    +3
    Who knows. What was really there ... The media can present information in different ways. I don’t think that the jury were idiots
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 22 July 2016 09: 09
    +8
    Saying that all the corrupt ones does not make sense, yes there are corrupt ones, but there are also gouging people, I myself have come across such, but that everything is not okay in law enforcement agencies, prosecutors and courts, they take such decisions that professionalism is not there it smells like corruption. Now everyone has the lips of the investigators of the TFR in Moscow, and let’s recall the case of prosecutors in the Moscow region and how it all ended - zilch, I repeat and say that the top government in the person of two lawyers completely failed internal politics, in particular, economics, personnel, ideology and it’s necessary to start cleaning up firsthand, first and foremost, then there will be a result, and all this is a talking room and a show for the elections, St. Petersburg and a few others have stuck to the feeder, and so they live in COMMUNISM.
  • Pitot
    Pitot 22 July 2016 09: 15
    +6
    I do not know. Any Power objectionable and inconvenient can declare by anyone. It's hard for me to judge who is who. But I know something else (I personally encountered one) - the newly-minted policemen (not all of course, I hope there are decent ones) fully correspond to the meaning of the word policeman from the time of the Second World War. The frames are rotten - from ordinary to special investigators ....
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 22 July 2016 19: 15
      +1
      Quote: Pitot
      Frames are rotten - from private soldiers to special ....


      This is the place to be, but there are normal ones among them. I do not want to justify the bastards in uniform, who came to earn, not serve, but among them there are also decent people. Rarely true. Yes, and an honest man, without cronyism above a certain level, will not jump. So if you hit the system, you start to become either like the majority, or you are silent in a rag and nod when they say.
  • Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 22 July 2016 09: 21
    -4
    Now these "kids" are only left to shoot without trial! Then there will be order. Let's remember Solonik, he was doing this.
  • Batia
    Batia 22 July 2016 09: 40
    +2
    I didn’t drive something. Is it possible to conduct a jury trial for serious crimes? Professionals should work here, and not from the ninth time, juries collected.
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 22 July 2016 19: 25
      -1
      Quote: Batia
      jury conduct, with serious crimes?



      There is a list of articles that can be heard by a jury. Banditry, rape, murder (part two), piracy, mercenarism, encroachment on the life of a law enforcement officer, kidnapping.
  • pigkiller
    pigkiller 22 July 2016 09: 52
    +2
    These were acquitted. There are no others, for example, Colonel Kvachkov.
  • tiaman.76
    tiaman.76 22 July 2016 10: 04
    -4
    such thugs during detention must be banged ... and not to breed judicial muse Pusi ... damn fighters for justice ... yes ordinary bandits ... were hiding under the guise of fighters for justice .. such wolves only shoot ... not allow anarchy .. for example these are the partisans and stood in the forefront on the Maidan in Kiev .. to smash the power of anarchy .. robbers of murder .. and all under the slogan of the struggle for freedom .. and these animals are being released .. a good example for our people who exist but still exist hide like rats in dark corners
  • guzik007
    guzik007 22 July 2016 10: 24
    +2
    Well, well-justified. And why the question is not posed, and then who killed? For it is necessary to renew the matter in a new way. Everyone understands that the killers were released. But why were they justified? Yes, the answer is as simple as a flaky egg. It is mediocre, hastily concocted business, without obvious evidence (such as, and so it will do), as a fact of a low professional level of trackers on the ground. Hence the jury's verdict, not for what.
    Why is my opinion like this? I participated, I know. Somehow, about ten years ago, they opened my Iashina-well, I wrote a statement and so on ... They found a darling, they call me to court. I listened to the prosecutor, listened ... An hour later I asked the judge for words. Excuse me, I’m saying, Your Honor, it was said here that he sold my radio tape recorder in the car market, and the speakers to a neighbor. Only I do not see witnesses of these facts here. Here the prosecutor read out that the car was opened at 16:00 p.m., and even the defendant does not indicate the place. Only at this time there are always a lot of people there and everyone knows my car. And my question is, who is sitting here in the dock at all? The true culprit, or another steam locomotive.
    The judge freaked out and sent the case for further investigation and expressed something unflattering to the prosecutor.
    And such cases, slandered carelessly, unprofessionally complete, are complete and everyone, as a rule, goes to the courts with a bang in the absence of a good lawyer.
    Because there are very few good trails, however, as well as doctors and teachers. The country of dropouts, unfortunately.
  • kotuk_ha_oxote
    kotuk_ha_oxote 22 July 2016 10: 26
    +1
    Quote: tiaman.76
    such thugs during detention must be banged ... and not to breed judicial muse Pusi ... damn fighters for justice ... yes ordinary bandits ... were hiding under the guise of fighters for justice .. such wolves only shoot ... not allow anarchy .. for example these are the partisans and stood in the forefront on the Maidan in Kiev .. to smash the power of anarchy .. robbers of murder .. and all under the slogan of the struggle for freedom .. and these animals are being released .. a good example for our people who exist but still exist hide like rats in dark corners

    But what about the constitution of the Russian Federation, or do you propose to wipe it?
    1. tiaman.76
      tiaman.76 22 July 2016 10: 30
      -1
      and the constitution has the right to use firearms, read chapter 5 of article 23 of the police law against whom to use fire weapons .. I do not say shoot a swindler who has stolen the radio, I'm talking about especially dangerous armed criminals ..
  • Makarov
    Makarov 22 July 2016 10: 52
    0
    History repeats itself ... this already happened when the terrorists were tried by the JURISORY COURT (!?) In 1878, a certain citizen Zasulich attempted to kill the governor ... because he ordered her boyfriend, a revolutionist, to be flogged for not taking off his hat to the general. ..the act is swine, but don’t kill for it ... in any case, the jury justified it ... it was the first attempt on revolutionaries who, due to impunity, will eventually lead the country to the 17th year ... so .. .just a historical parallel ...
    1. would
      would 23 July 2016 06: 13
      +1
      History repeats itself ... it already happened when the terrorists were tried by the JURY COURT (!?)


      Now tell me how much terrorism is in the murder of 4 absolutely civilians who guarded the hemp field for the further implementation of the drug collected from this field and the seizure of property of those killed? The justified were blamed only and that is why the episode.
      1. Makarov
        Makarov 28 July 2016 00: 03
        0
        From the moment they started calling themselves partisans or did not officially deny this, they became terrorists ... and it doesn’t matter if they killed civilians or military men ...
  • grandfather Mih
    grandfather Mih 22 July 2016 11: 03
    +3
    Quote: Bayonet
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Tell me, the people will be interested.

    Faced, but I will not cry in a vest. The people do not live on the moon, he knows everything. I remember the cops were on duty at work when Brezhnev died. Hawala vodka, jokes poisoned, one captain spoke bluntly, our motto - not a day without profit !. Funny guys ... True, they are far from the present - the appetites are not the same!
    It was so. Briefly, concisely. Appetites are not the point.
  • Pushkar
    Pushkar 22 July 2016 11: 16
    0
    In a normal state (and this is a priori a strong state), only the state can have the right to force and violence (by law!). Of course, there are exceptions when the state does not formally have the right to violence, but at the same time the government formally does not transfer its powers illegally using private structures (PMCs, death squads). If our state recognizes these bandits as innocent, then either it illegally allowed them to judge and punish at its discretion, or it is generally powerless. In any case, this is the beginning of the end of the state.
  • weksha50
    weksha50 22 July 2016 11: 40
    -3
    "The same Alexei Nikitin was initially sentenced by a court (on the basis of a jury verdict) to a life sentence. Now - released in the courtroom"...

    Strange metamorphoses ... I already thought that they had been condemned a long time ago and are in prison ... It's been six years since they were "taken" ...

    What kind of justice? ... Yes, even in relation to such characters? ..
    To be honest, I do not always respect all cops - there are some renegades among them who use their official position for personal purposes ... However, who are "fighters for the purity of cops" Judges, prosecutors, representatives of the Interior Ministry's own security ???

    No ... National Bolsheviks (almost a fascist), deserter, Wahhabi ...
    And what kind of jury that justified them ???
    I would like to see their faces, eyes and hear the excuses they would mumble ...

    PS These jurors-acquittals need to be driven under the bunk together with these "fighters" ...
  • ksv36
    ksv36 22 July 2016 11: 59
    +1
    And I would read the guys from Primorsky Krai who are here. There are such? Answer me. For the media do not trust.
  • nik-karata
    nik-karata 22 July 2016 12: 30
    +1
    Quote: Bayonet
    Quote: dmi.pris
    we all hate drug dealers, drug cops and rampant

    Denis Nikandrov, deputy head of the Main Investigative Directorate of the Investigative Committee for Russia in Moscow, Mikhail Maksimenko, head of Russia's own security department, and his deputy, Alexander Lamonov, were arrested. According to the investigation, all three were involved in receiving a bribe from Zakhary Kalashov.
    request What to speak about simple PPSnikami ...



    Yes, of course, what about PPSnikov! Of course they grabbed it !!! Not like these from the TFR !!! THINK WHAT YOU WRITE! OR IN THE HEAD OF WHICK? Have you yourself ever encountered the judicial system of the Russian Federation ??? I think no!!! When we cannot jail a criminal, the TFR says that there is not enough evidence !!! And the police officer of the TFR sits down without a single proof, by agreement with the ACCUSER (that is, the prosecutor) and the JUDGE !!! In no case do I defend these, b ..., "partisans"! soldier
  • Rosinmn
    Rosinmn 22 July 2016 13: 17
    -1
    The article uses the usual technique of skilled officials: "open a personal file." A person is dissatisfied with something, but they say to him: look at yourself, you have dug a drainage ditch in front of the house, now all the plots are swamped ... And then the dismantling begins not with a complaint, but with the complainant. I have not followed this case. But if such articles appear, in which they pass on to individuals, and there is no specifics, then my confidence increases that there is no impartiality in this matter.

    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Namely, the question - is "Ivanov" guilty of killing a police officer? - the answer is no. grief jury nichrome not understanding the legal intricacies

    The judge asked an incorrect question. It was necessary to ask a few questions. For example: Did the defendant stick a peg in the ground? Was this place on the path? Did he know that a man was walking along the path? Did he know that this man was a policeman? Is the policeman pierced by the very peg that the defendant stuck? Otherwise, it turns out that by sticking a peg around a fire, you become the killer of a policeman. Negligence resulting in death should not qualify as the killing of an organ employee.
  • certero
    certero 22 July 2016 13: 20
    +2
    Without going into details of this process, I would like to note that the jury institution is one of the few tools to protect a person from the arbitrariness of the state. And if in this case the prosecution could not convince the jury of guilt, then this is not the fault of the jury, but the prosecutors. Accustomed to work without competition, that’s not done. This, incidentally, brings Russia very badly when it tries to return one of the escaping thieves.
  • nvd5
    nvd5 22 July 2016 14: 05
    +2
    And the police checked for lice after the arrest of the "partisans"?
    Exactly checked?
    1. tracer
      tracer 22 July 2016 14: 14
      -2
      Checked ... Kerosene with soap lather my head and bag for 15 minutes put on a hat. Not not LOWY now.
  • Mentat
    Mentat 22 July 2016 14: 23
    +1
    Quote: lukmag
    As always, the pro-Putin law enforcement system and the Zaputino media are lying.
    For them, Stalin is the killer of the Poles, and Beria is an all-Union rapist, and not the leader of the atomic project of the USSR.
    Therefore, there is no faith in all judicial decisions!
    He himself saw how in April 2012, at the anti-NATO rally in Ulyanovsk, the young but arrogant young guard Anka Posnyakova provoked Sergei Udaltsov, accused him of beating her, and then the guy was convicted.

    Liberoids masquerading as Stalinists are probably the same taste qualities as honey puree with shit * m.

    Ah poor guy Sergei Udaltsov! It’s as pure as a baby’s tear, a mode fighter, an anti-tramp, a bastard!

    Let’s see how this model of liberalism begs itself from the Georgian special services, which are on the content of the CIA:


    But I already wrote about this “lukmagh”, what it is.
  • Forever so
    Forever so 22 July 2016 14: 35
    0
    The jury trial is a purely shitty trick that allows you not only to earn money for a lawyer, but also to save the killer from punishment, which he must follow according to all laws. In short, another show. Like the whole democratic system. A lawyer runs the state, and ten plumbers, janitors and householders administer justice. yes hurt !!! Although some lawyers I would not even let plumbers. It is dangerous for the state.
    1. tracer
      tracer 22 July 2016 15: 40
      -1
      That's one hundred percent right. This must not be allowed. For a large puddle, for example, you can sue anyone and for any, even the most delusional, occasion. The judicial system of becoming a prostitute who only sucks loot. This has nothing to do with justice. For looking oblique no boobs in the elevator and even without it, the handcuffs snap in exactly 10 minutes. Yes, this is the norm now. Bail out at the signal of the phone. Lawyers will select the latter and choke on it. From how much your fate does not choke and depends. That is, from money in the long run. Do we want such justice?
  • nemec55
    nemec55 22 July 2016 16: 49
    +3
    Doesn’t it seem strange to you when thinking about a court, the first thing that comes to mind is fear and not trust in them. I remember being in the army in the distant 90's from my parents and in 3 yards in the village at night the flasks of the tank (color met) were stolen, they caught a young 18 years old, the court and the judge are doing what ????? begins to scream at people that they did not hide the flasks in their homes. fool I’ll just say scum.
  • sgapich
    sgapich 23 July 2016 02: 54
    +1
    Relatives pay the cost (at least by weight), weight 6,1 g. (maybe more / less)
  • The legacy of ancestors
    The legacy of ancestors 23 July 2016 03: 52
    +1
    The fact that there was a jury trial there from the 9th time only says that the locals themselves support the partisans, but are afraid of revenge from the authorities and do not want to become a jury.
    Scored from 9 bold attempts and acquitted. After all, the local knows better who is really outrageous there ...

    I’m happy for the guys and it’s very good that they managed to kill a bunch of cop thugs and those whom they were roofing!

    And about the strangeness of justice ... it’s so interesting to find out why they didn’t write about the fact that Vasilyeva left after a couple of months of imprisonment;)
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 23 July 2016 05: 04
    +2
    In Primorye, all key officials should not be local, otherwise they all become accomplices. Primorsky Krai (as well as Transbaikalia) is a state in the state. There, especially everything should be controlled by the center. How to do this is another task. The example of Governor Khoroshavin is just the tip of the iceberg, if you dig it there will be a full finish.
  • would
    would 23 July 2016 05: 25
    +3
    I was expecting such an article and such comments about the purchased jury, etc. Let's start from the very beginning:

    It all started not with the jury, but with the Supreme Court which reversed the sentence now acquitted and sent for review. Also bought it? Or did they see something in this verdict that they would not write about in such articles? And only then the jury acquitted, they attacked by itself. Apparently they attacked those who are 100% sure of the Russian justice, sure that the bodies are not hung up on the innocent, things are not fabricated, and generally there isn’t such a thing in the police system. And the courts are all honest and honest, and they will not wave such things. But here is what is interesting:

    The lawyers of the accused claimed that the investigation did not provide sufficient evidence of the guilt of their clients. So, in the car in which the corpses of the dead were supposedly transported to the burial place, no traces of blood were found. A child’s foot was found in the grave. In addition, inconsistencies with the murder weapon were discovered. According to investigators, the attack used four units of firearms. However, the examination showed that the dead were injured from bullets of only one caliber - 5,6 mm (from the TOZ-8 rifle).


    And this is just what leaked to the media. Maybe in the fact that they investigated this completely? Maybe there are just as full of unsubstantiated fantasies of the investigation put in the rank of a proven fact? Perhaps that is why the case stumbled on the Supreme Court, which is not so controlled by the elites and that is why the jury acquitted?

    To talk about something here, you need to study the texture: The case from cover to cover with all the examinations, the trial itself. Alas, many unsubscribed here even the passage from the media that I have not seen.

    Due to the fact that I personally do not have access to the case, I will refrain from unequivocal verdicts and remind all non-amateurs of the jury: Lieutenant Arakcheev (do you know this?) The court judged as guilty despite all the inconsistencies in the case, and the very same unloved jurors justified you looking at these very inconsistencies. Both times, the jury's decision was quashed, it was very inconvenient. Ramzan Kadyrov himself personally tore and metal! As a result, Arakcheev was found not guilty 12 years later (!!!) after the initiation of the case. Think, maybe you will ever find yourself in his place?
  • Mentat
    Mentat 23 July 2016 10: 27
    +1
    Someone minded me for the wonderful guy Sergei Udaltsov (fucking for sale), so here fans of bulk and lovers hang out here to go to the US Embassy for "grants", read the salary for the collapse of the motherland.
  • Geodezist33
    Geodezist33 23 July 2016 17: 23
    0
    Why did the guys partisan? If against the bourgeois, then I am for them, and if the gang, then I, too, for them, grandfather and grandmother did not rob?