The answer of Russian Ukrainians to readers of "Military Review"
I was encouraged to work on this topic by a comment by our reader Yuri (inkass_98), who spoke in such a way that, say, Skomorokhov kicked Dzygovbrodsky, and meanwhile the last thing says. Since I do not quite agree with this, I decided not only to express my opinion, but to reinforce it with the opinion of those living in Ukraine. The blessing of good friends and even closer people is still enough for me. And, importantly, smart people.
I'll start with a personal assessment of the situation. If someone likes what Dzygovbrodsky writes, it is, as they say, a matter of taste. The brew he splashes out to the Internet is, of course, bright and fragrant, but the question is not why he likes to spit so much towards his former fellow citizens, but who benefits from it.
It is clear that it is profitable first of all to Dzygovbrodsky himself. There will always be someone who will applaud his howls, that "everyone has laid down," "betrayed the idea of the Russian world," and so on. But this part will be answered by other people. I just bring the old saying, like the world, the proverb: "Whoever pays, he orders the music."
Who today places the works of Dzygovbrodsky and, accordingly, orders them? Such places are less and less, but the site antifashist.com - The main site of this borzopistitsa.
What "Anti-fascist“Going into the site is easy to understand. It belongs to the so-called“ Committee for the Salvation of Ukraine. ”It’s not too lazy to learn more about what Ukraine is and how this committee is saving. To whom is lazy, I’ll say this: For the purposes of the committee, it is declared assistance to political emigrants and refugees from there. "It seems to be" because nowhere has this special committee showed itself.
The very fact of its existence as a certain reserve of personnel in case the situation changes is enough. The head of the committee is the former prime minister of Ukraine, and now the political corpse in exile, Mykola Azarov. And this is not an insult, it is a statement of fact. For, despite the fact that, compared with the successors of Azarov, she is still a nurse, in tomorrow’s Ukraine he simply has no place. For Western Ukraine, he is a pro-Russian traitor, who fled to the aggressor country, for the East - a man from the team of Yanukovich. With all that it implies.
Approximately the same applies to his closest associates, Markov and Oleinikov. "Regionals" now is not held in high esteem anywhere.
But why does such a committee consistently publish materials that a smart person regards solely as inciting ethnic hatred? Why are such opinions thrown into our information space, based on which we must take and hate everyone who remains in Ukraine? According to the arguments of authors like Dzygovbrodsky?
As for me, everything is so simple. Creating a food supply, nothing more. Moreover, not where, in theory, the rescuers committee should work, but here, in Russia. Because whatever one may say, there are those among us for whom all Ukrainians are very often traitors and cowards. Who surrendered, laid down and so on. Who just need to forget and not pay attention to them, because they deserve such an attitude. So, at least, Dzygovbrodsky is broadcasting.
But for some reason I don’t want to forget and despise Egoza or Kars. Although, in the opinion of the instigators, it is just the same. They "lay down" and humbled themselves. Moreover, I am always interested in their opinion, along with those with whom I communicate outside the site.
I do not impose my opinion on anyone, everyone chooses for himself. But to despise and somehow relate to living in Ukraine in favor of fleeing from there types like Azarov and Dzygovbrodsky, alas, I will not.
I sent that materialchik to my interlocutors and friends to the other side. It's funny, but in Ukraine they don’t even know about the rescue committee of Ukraine and the site "Antifashist". But some of the readers shared their opinions.
We now turn to what I learned from conversations with my Ukrainian interlocutors. The geography is not very wide, Kiev, Kharkov, Poltava, Zaporozhye. But - by whom I am rich, I will share the opinion of those. The opinion turned out to be a national team, but it's easier. I wrote it down and translated it into a literary one, and now ...
Word to ukrainians
If you think everything here is Maidan - no. In Kiev, 30-40% at least those who are called "separatists." Just sit quietly. We still have the capital here, and took power right away and quite clearly. No joke, from all over the country caught up with morons. Yes, everyone saw everything. Who stayed, he stayed. How much. Yes, these 40% can take something. For the good of the future.
Take to the streets against the junta? Yes, they would. We, in Kharkov, at one time went out all over the city. And we will leave. One question: for whom? No, as in the Donbas, just. And warlords will be found, and subordinates. Weapon... not so easy. If they didn’t help 2014, they won't help you today. And after is not easy. When power will need to build. Whom? For whom? For Yanukovych? No, guys, you all, who knocked you to your home, and leave. And Yanyka, and Azarov, and Tsarev. For them already head off under the bullets yes batons no one will substitute already. But the main question is who ...
In the meantime, we are like mice - quiet on the holes. Do you think it is so easy to keep your views with you, to express them, to keep contacts and living life, in fact, under the occupation of Bandera? It is easy to say, sitting in Moscow, for example, what to do and how. And try to do it here.
Hut to the edge? Yes, mine is on the edge of the whole of Ukraine. And if in my hut from Russia to abandon what will give me the opportunity to go against the fascists, not with the handle of a shovel, but at least with the same weapon as the black ones, I will go again. To the square, to the telecentre, to the regional state administration.
And then a pancake, some "patriots" freaked out in the country Maidan and together piled up over the hill, especially from whom the money or relatives were there. And it’s good if it doesn’t criticize the rest of us, but just live quietly, and then flew away to the USA, EU or Russia and from there they give us the Internet, CO, how to fight and build Ukraine. Those who remained, by the way, regardless of their views, want to meet such people at airports and stupidly beat them. We got it. So FIG I'll leave here. Here it is. And there are many. Fundamental and waiting.
Understand, finally, we are simple people, there is, of course, someone who thinks in politics and economics, but there are few of them. The rest are busy with their questions simple, they would survive, and with this hard. But it is necessary to survive. At least so that there was someone to restore order after some time.
In Russia, the same order began to direct 10 years later, but it came to something sensible only 3-4 years ago. And the people didn’t start pointing, it’s not necessary to feed us with such tales, we all then saw it with our own eyes. All of Russia, like us today, sat exactly at one point and waited for change. I waited. Putin came. But they would not have come, they also sat under your Boriska and would not miavkali.
Let's be honest: Putin was the one who started restoring order in Russia. In fact, in one sting. Yes, we envy you all the devil knows how, and in Russia there are a lot of things that the people started to fake, but let's be honest: without a bright head and a strong hand at the top, nothing would have happened to you. Or it happened, but like us.
And the brains are demolished and washed every day. There are people who simply do not know how to search for information. They were not taught this, but television is here, near, and everyone knows what is shown there. How many blatant lies in our media and vile lies, probably, everyone is aware of. But many believe simply because there are simply no other sources of information.
And then gradually cease to believe indiscriminately. But there is no real understanding of who is to blame. Until. In general, the situation is this: “power is the enemy, but Russia is the enemy in general”. And Europe will soon become the same enemy. As soon as this finally happens, many will stop looking to the West. And do not laugh with HPP. Everything is serious with him. He works. Living in 70 km from Kiev, but working in it, communicating with people every day on the way here and there, you realize that even yesterday's Maydauns, who are sick of the word "Russia", are beginning to really separate the brains. Little by little, but start.
Dissatisfaction is growing, with not only power, but also Europe. And now they also recall that there are fewer terrorist attacks in Russia, and, in general, it is possible to live. Both with Russians and with Russians. If everything goes the way it is today, then in five years (God forbid to live), the Russian troops and the troops of Donbass will meet here with bread and salt.
But not before. It is necessary to ripen, if earlier, then just in the back they will shoot, and they will meet them in the face with machine guns. And the same people. Brains need to be cleaned. They can be shaded quickly, more difficult to clean. But we, too, are not sitting idly, we are helping. And even though brehoSMI works in such a way that the television boxes are smoking, since three years ago it no longer works.
Ukraine is like a pumpkin. Fat and matured for a long time. And our heads are like pumpkins. But sooner or later they will ripen from the main majority. And what's the point? Or maybe you will share Putin?
And we did not betray anyone or anything. Neither Russia, nor Ukraine, nor the Russian world. Did not run away to Europe, did not go to Russia. Sit, waiting in the wings. Let's wait.
But who likes to poorath in our direction - so, welcome! So we are always ready. Come here to us. Lead the way. This is to all those that weathed to Russia.
Afterword
Dear Yuri, I am not sure that I persuaded you in some way, nor the others, but ... I tried. Moreover, in the process of all these conversations a good idea was born of the streams with the inhabitants of the “other side”. We will study this question a little bit and, most likely, we will do such a thing. And everyone can ask their questions and get answers to them. And then already draw conclusions on the topic of who, how, where and under whom he lay down. At least, the resident of Kiev and Kharkiv had previously agreed. We only need to solve security issues.
And by the way, I want to finish with the words of Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin respected by me. In the distant and not a victorious year of 1942, he said: "Experience stories says that the Hitlers come and go, but the people are German, and the German state remains. "
I am sure that the powders and pravoseki both came and will leave. And the people of Ukraine will remain. And therefore I will always stand against those who spit in the direction of this nation. Especially from here, from our territory. Well, God bless them all. And the judge of the freaks who turned the country the devil knows what, with time will become the people of this country.
I am sure about that.
I'll start with a personal assessment of the situation. If someone likes what Dzygovbrodsky writes, it is, as they say, a matter of taste. The brew he splashes out to the Internet is, of course, bright and fragrant, but the question is not why he likes to spit so much towards his former fellow citizens, but who benefits from it.
It is clear that it is profitable first of all to Dzygovbrodsky himself. There will always be someone who will applaud his howls, that "everyone has laid down," "betrayed the idea of the Russian world," and so on. But this part will be answered by other people. I just bring the old saying, like the world, the proverb: "Whoever pays, he orders the music."
Who today places the works of Dzygovbrodsky and, accordingly, orders them? Such places are less and less, but the site antifashist.com - The main site of this borzopistitsa.
What "Anti-fascist“Going into the site is easy to understand. It belongs to the so-called“ Committee for the Salvation of Ukraine. ”It’s not too lazy to learn more about what Ukraine is and how this committee is saving. To whom is lazy, I’ll say this: For the purposes of the committee, it is declared assistance to political emigrants and refugees from there. "It seems to be" because nowhere has this special committee showed itself.
The very fact of its existence as a certain reserve of personnel in case the situation changes is enough. The head of the committee is the former prime minister of Ukraine, and now the political corpse in exile, Mykola Azarov. And this is not an insult, it is a statement of fact. For, despite the fact that, compared with the successors of Azarov, she is still a nurse, in tomorrow’s Ukraine he simply has no place. For Western Ukraine, he is a pro-Russian traitor, who fled to the aggressor country, for the East - a man from the team of Yanukovich. With all that it implies.
Approximately the same applies to his closest associates, Markov and Oleinikov. "Regionals" now is not held in high esteem anywhere.
But why does such a committee consistently publish materials that a smart person regards solely as inciting ethnic hatred? Why are such opinions thrown into our information space, based on which we must take and hate everyone who remains in Ukraine? According to the arguments of authors like Dzygovbrodsky?
As for me, everything is so simple. Creating a food supply, nothing more. Moreover, not where, in theory, the rescuers committee should work, but here, in Russia. Because whatever one may say, there are those among us for whom all Ukrainians are very often traitors and cowards. Who surrendered, laid down and so on. Who just need to forget and not pay attention to them, because they deserve such an attitude. So, at least, Dzygovbrodsky is broadcasting.
But for some reason I don’t want to forget and despise Egoza or Kars. Although, in the opinion of the instigators, it is just the same. They "lay down" and humbled themselves. Moreover, I am always interested in their opinion, along with those with whom I communicate outside the site.
I do not impose my opinion on anyone, everyone chooses for himself. But to despise and somehow relate to living in Ukraine in favor of fleeing from there types like Azarov and Dzygovbrodsky, alas, I will not.
I sent that materialchik to my interlocutors and friends to the other side. It's funny, but in Ukraine they don’t even know about the rescue committee of Ukraine and the site "Antifashist". But some of the readers shared their opinions.
We now turn to what I learned from conversations with my Ukrainian interlocutors. The geography is not very wide, Kiev, Kharkov, Poltava, Zaporozhye. But - by whom I am rich, I will share the opinion of those. The opinion turned out to be a national team, but it's easier. I wrote it down and translated it into a literary one, and now ...
Word to ukrainians
If you think everything here is Maidan - no. In Kiev, 30-40% at least those who are called "separatists." Just sit quietly. We still have the capital here, and took power right away and quite clearly. No joke, from all over the country caught up with morons. Yes, everyone saw everything. Who stayed, he stayed. How much. Yes, these 40% can take something. For the good of the future.
Take to the streets against the junta? Yes, they would. We, in Kharkov, at one time went out all over the city. And we will leave. One question: for whom? No, as in the Donbas, just. And warlords will be found, and subordinates. Weapon... not so easy. If they didn’t help 2014, they won't help you today. And after is not easy. When power will need to build. Whom? For whom? For Yanukovych? No, guys, you all, who knocked you to your home, and leave. And Yanyka, and Azarov, and Tsarev. For them already head off under the bullets yes batons no one will substitute already. But the main question is who ...
In the meantime, we are like mice - quiet on the holes. Do you think it is so easy to keep your views with you, to express them, to keep contacts and living life, in fact, under the occupation of Bandera? It is easy to say, sitting in Moscow, for example, what to do and how. And try to do it here.
Hut to the edge? Yes, mine is on the edge of the whole of Ukraine. And if in my hut from Russia to abandon what will give me the opportunity to go against the fascists, not with the handle of a shovel, but at least with the same weapon as the black ones, I will go again. To the square, to the telecentre, to the regional state administration.
And then a pancake, some "patriots" freaked out in the country Maidan and together piled up over the hill, especially from whom the money or relatives were there. And it’s good if it doesn’t criticize the rest of us, but just live quietly, and then flew away to the USA, EU or Russia and from there they give us the Internet, CO, how to fight and build Ukraine. Those who remained, by the way, regardless of their views, want to meet such people at airports and stupidly beat them. We got it. So FIG I'll leave here. Here it is. And there are many. Fundamental and waiting.
Understand, finally, we are simple people, there is, of course, someone who thinks in politics and economics, but there are few of them. The rest are busy with their questions simple, they would survive, and with this hard. But it is necessary to survive. At least so that there was someone to restore order after some time.
In Russia, the same order began to direct 10 years later, but it came to something sensible only 3-4 years ago. And the people didn’t start pointing, it’s not necessary to feed us with such tales, we all then saw it with our own eyes. All of Russia, like us today, sat exactly at one point and waited for change. I waited. Putin came. But they would not have come, they also sat under your Boriska and would not miavkali.
Let's be honest: Putin was the one who started restoring order in Russia. In fact, in one sting. Yes, we envy you all the devil knows how, and in Russia there are a lot of things that the people started to fake, but let's be honest: without a bright head and a strong hand at the top, nothing would have happened to you. Or it happened, but like us.
And the brains are demolished and washed every day. There are people who simply do not know how to search for information. They were not taught this, but television is here, near, and everyone knows what is shown there. How many blatant lies in our media and vile lies, probably, everyone is aware of. But many believe simply because there are simply no other sources of information.
And then gradually cease to believe indiscriminately. But there is no real understanding of who is to blame. Until. In general, the situation is this: “power is the enemy, but Russia is the enemy in general”. And Europe will soon become the same enemy. As soon as this finally happens, many will stop looking to the West. And do not laugh with HPP. Everything is serious with him. He works. Living in 70 km from Kiev, but working in it, communicating with people every day on the way here and there, you realize that even yesterday's Maydauns, who are sick of the word "Russia", are beginning to really separate the brains. Little by little, but start.
Dissatisfaction is growing, with not only power, but also Europe. And now they also recall that there are fewer terrorist attacks in Russia, and, in general, it is possible to live. Both with Russians and with Russians. If everything goes the way it is today, then in five years (God forbid to live), the Russian troops and the troops of Donbass will meet here with bread and salt.
But not before. It is necessary to ripen, if earlier, then just in the back they will shoot, and they will meet them in the face with machine guns. And the same people. Brains need to be cleaned. They can be shaded quickly, more difficult to clean. But we, too, are not sitting idly, we are helping. And even though brehoSMI works in such a way that the television boxes are smoking, since three years ago it no longer works.
Ukraine is like a pumpkin. Fat and matured for a long time. And our heads are like pumpkins. But sooner or later they will ripen from the main majority. And what's the point? Or maybe you will share Putin?
And we did not betray anyone or anything. Neither Russia, nor Ukraine, nor the Russian world. Did not run away to Europe, did not go to Russia. Sit, waiting in the wings. Let's wait.
But who likes to poorath in our direction - so, welcome! So we are always ready. Come here to us. Lead the way. This is to all those that weathed to Russia.
Afterword
Dear Yuri, I am not sure that I persuaded you in some way, nor the others, but ... I tried. Moreover, in the process of all these conversations a good idea was born of the streams with the inhabitants of the “other side”. We will study this question a little bit and, most likely, we will do such a thing. And everyone can ask their questions and get answers to them. And then already draw conclusions on the topic of who, how, where and under whom he lay down. At least, the resident of Kiev and Kharkiv had previously agreed. We only need to solve security issues.
And by the way, I want to finish with the words of Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin respected by me. In the distant and not a victorious year of 1942, he said: "Experience stories says that the Hitlers come and go, but the people are German, and the German state remains. "
I am sure that the powders and pravoseki both came and will leave. And the people of Ukraine will remain. And therefore I will always stand against those who spit in the direction of this nation. Especially from here, from our territory. Well, God bless them all. And the judge of the freaks who turned the country the devil knows what, with time will become the people of this country.
I am sure about that.
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