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The answer of Russian Ukrainians to readers of "Military Review"

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I was encouraged to work on this topic by a comment by our reader Yuri (inkass_98), who spoke in such a way that, say, Skomorokhov kicked Dzygovbrodsky, and meanwhile the last thing says. Since I do not quite agree with this, I decided not only to express my opinion, but to reinforce it with the opinion of those living in Ukraine. The blessing of good friends and even closer people is still enough for me. And, importantly, smart people.


I'll start with a personal assessment of the situation. If someone likes what Dzygovbrodsky writes, it is, as they say, a matter of taste. The brew he splashes out to the Internet is, of course, bright and fragrant, but the question is not why he likes to spit so much towards his former fellow citizens, but who benefits from it.

It is clear that it is profitable first of all to Dzygovbrodsky himself. There will always be someone who will applaud his howls, that "everyone has laid down," "betrayed the idea of ​​the Russian world," and so on. But this part will be answered by other people. I just bring the old saying, like the world, the proverb: "Whoever pays, he orders the music."

Who today places the works of Dzygovbrodsky and, accordingly, orders them? Such places are less and less, but the site antifashist.com - The main site of this borzopistitsa.

What "Anti-fascist“Going into the site is easy to understand. It belongs to the so-called“ Committee for the Salvation of Ukraine. ”It’s not too lazy to learn more about what Ukraine is and how this committee is saving. To whom is lazy, I’ll say this: For the purposes of the committee, it is declared assistance to political emigrants and refugees from there. "It seems to be" because nowhere has this special committee showed itself.

The very fact of its existence as a certain reserve of personnel in case the situation changes is enough. The head of the committee is the former prime minister of Ukraine, and now the political corpse in exile, Mykola Azarov. And this is not an insult, it is a statement of fact. For, despite the fact that, compared with the successors of Azarov, she is still a nurse, in tomorrow’s Ukraine he simply has no place. For Western Ukraine, he is a pro-Russian traitor, who fled to the aggressor country, for the East - a man from the team of Yanukovich. With all that it implies.

Approximately the same applies to his closest associates, Markov and Oleinikov. "Regionals" now is not held in high esteem anywhere.

But why does such a committee consistently publish materials that a smart person regards solely as inciting ethnic hatred? Why are such opinions thrown into our information space, based on which we must take and hate everyone who remains in Ukraine? According to the arguments of authors like Dzygovbrodsky?

As for me, everything is so simple. Creating a food supply, nothing more. Moreover, not where, in theory, the rescuers committee should work, but here, in Russia. Because whatever one may say, there are those among us for whom all Ukrainians are very often traitors and cowards. Who surrendered, laid down and so on. Who just need to forget and not pay attention to them, because they deserve such an attitude. So, at least, Dzygovbrodsky is broadcasting.

But for some reason I don’t want to forget and despise Egoza or Kars. Although, in the opinion of the instigators, it is just the same. They "lay down" and humbled themselves. Moreover, I am always interested in their opinion, along with those with whom I communicate outside the site.

I do not impose my opinion on anyone, everyone chooses for himself. But to despise and somehow relate to living in Ukraine in favor of fleeing from there types like Azarov and Dzygovbrodsky, alas, I will not.

I sent that materialchik to my interlocutors and friends to the other side. It's funny, but in Ukraine they don’t even know about the rescue committee of Ukraine and the site "Antifashist". But some of the readers shared their opinions.

We now turn to what I learned from conversations with my Ukrainian interlocutors. The geography is not very wide, Kiev, Kharkov, Poltava, Zaporozhye. But - by whom I am rich, I will share the opinion of those. The opinion turned out to be a national team, but it's easier. I wrote it down and translated it into a literary one, and now ...

Word to ukrainians

If you think everything here is Maidan - no. In Kiev, 30-40% at least those who are called "separatists." Just sit quietly. We still have the capital here, and took power right away and quite clearly. No joke, from all over the country caught up with morons. Yes, everyone saw everything. Who stayed, he stayed. How much. Yes, these 40% can take something. For the good of the future.

Take to the streets against the junta? Yes, they would. We, in Kharkov, at one time went out all over the city. And we will leave. One question: for whom? No, as in the Donbas, just. And warlords will be found, and subordinates. Weapon... not so easy. If they didn’t help 2014, they won't help you today. And after is not easy. When power will need to build. Whom? For whom? For Yanukovych? No, guys, you all, who knocked you to your home, and leave. And Yanyka, and Azarov, and Tsarev. For them already head off under the bullets yes batons no one will substitute already. But the main question is who ...

In the meantime, we are like mice - quiet on the holes. Do you think it is so easy to keep your views with you, to express them, to keep contacts and living life, in fact, under the occupation of Bandera? It is easy to say, sitting in Moscow, for example, what to do and how. And try to do it here.

Hut to the edge? Yes, mine is on the edge of the whole of Ukraine. And if in my hut from Russia to abandon what will give me the opportunity to go against the fascists, not with the handle of a shovel, but at least with the same weapon as the black ones, I will go again. To the square, to the telecentre, to the regional state administration.

And then a pancake, some "patriots" freaked out in the country Maidan and together piled up over the hill, especially from whom the money or relatives were there. And it’s good if it doesn’t criticize the rest of us, but just live quietly, and then flew away to the USA, EU or Russia and from there they give us the Internet, CO, how to fight and build Ukraine. Those who remained, by the way, regardless of their views, want to meet such people at airports and stupidly beat them. We got it. So FIG I'll leave here. Here it is. And there are many. Fundamental and waiting.

Understand, finally, we are simple people, there is, of course, someone who thinks in politics and economics, but there are few of them. The rest are busy with their questions simple, they would survive, and with this hard. But it is necessary to survive. At least so that there was someone to restore order after some time.

In Russia, the same order began to direct 10 years later, but it came to something sensible only 3-4 years ago. And the people didn’t start pointing, it’s not necessary to feed us with such tales, we all then saw it with our own eyes. All of Russia, like us today, sat exactly at one point and waited for change. I waited. Putin came. But they would not have come, they also sat under your Boriska and would not miavkali.

Let's be honest: Putin was the one who started restoring order in Russia. In fact, in one sting. Yes, we envy you all the devil knows how, and in Russia there are a lot of things that the people started to fake, but let's be honest: without a bright head and a strong hand at the top, nothing would have happened to you. Or it happened, but like us.

And the brains are demolished and washed every day. There are people who simply do not know how to search for information. They were not taught this, but television is here, near, and everyone knows what is shown there. How many blatant lies in our media and vile lies, probably, everyone is aware of. But many believe simply because there are simply no other sources of information.

And then gradually cease to believe indiscriminately. But there is no real understanding of who is to blame. Until. In general, the situation is this: “power is the enemy, but Russia is the enemy in general”. And Europe will soon become the same enemy. As soon as this finally happens, many will stop looking to the West. And do not laugh with HPP. Everything is serious with him. He works. Living in 70 km from Kiev, but working in it, communicating with people every day on the way here and there, you realize that even yesterday's Maydauns, who are sick of the word "Russia", are beginning to really separate the brains. Little by little, but start.

Dissatisfaction is growing, with not only power, but also Europe. And now they also recall that there are fewer terrorist attacks in Russia, and, in general, it is possible to live. Both with Russians and with Russians. If everything goes the way it is today, then in five years (God forbid to live), the Russian troops and the troops of Donbass will meet here with bread and salt.

But not before. It is necessary to ripen, if earlier, then just in the back they will shoot, and they will meet them in the face with machine guns. And the same people. Brains need to be cleaned. They can be shaded quickly, more difficult to clean. But we, too, are not sitting idly, we are helping. And even though brehoSMI works in such a way that the television boxes are smoking, since three years ago it no longer works.

Ukraine is like a pumpkin. Fat and matured for a long time. And our heads are like pumpkins. But sooner or later they will ripen from the main majority. And what's the point? Or maybe you will share Putin?

And we did not betray anyone or anything. Neither Russia, nor Ukraine, nor the Russian world. Did not run away to Europe, did not go to Russia. Sit, waiting in the wings. Let's wait.

But who likes to poorath in our direction - so, welcome! So we are always ready. Come here to us. Lead the way. This is to all those that weathed to Russia.

Afterword

Dear Yuri, I am not sure that I persuaded you in some way, nor the others, but ... I tried. Moreover, in the process of all these conversations a good idea was born of the streams with the inhabitants of the “other side”. We will study this question a little bit and, most likely, we will do such a thing. And everyone can ask their questions and get answers to them. And then already draw conclusions on the topic of who, how, where and under whom he lay down. At least, the resident of Kiev and Kharkiv had previously agreed. We only need to solve security issues.

And by the way, I want to finish with the words of Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin respected by me. In the distant and not a victorious year of 1942, he said: "Experience stories says that the Hitlers come and go, but the people are German, and the German state remains. "

I am sure that the powders and pravoseki both came and will leave. And the people of Ukraine will remain. And therefore I will always stand against those who spit in the direction of this nation. Especially from here, from our territory. Well, God bless them all. And the judge of the freaks who turned the country the devil knows what, with time will become the people of this country.

I am sure about that.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 July 2016 05: 59
    +4
    Believe: Day D and the hour will come.
    1. ava09
      ava09 21 July 2016 08: 11
      +3
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Believe: Day D and the hour will come.

      We must not "believe in" D-day "and" H-hour ", but work on the organization of PEOPLE'S SELF-GOVERNMENT, especially since this does not contradict the constitution at all, and" D "and" H "have come long ago. This is the only way we can avoid another bloody massacre in the form of the Civil War. ”There is" a little "left - to see for yourself and help those who are near.
      1. Irokez
        Irokez 21 July 2016 09: 37
        +25
        Quote: ava09
        Remained "a little" - to see clearly and help those who are near.


        That is exactly to see the light and help. As it is with Lenin, "The top can not - the bottom does not want." This is when a revolutionary moment should arise, and the export of the revolution will not work, and Che Guevara paid the price.
        Somewhere in the fields of the Internet I came across an article (I can’t find one anymore) and there, like a fairy tale, a discussion of higher powers about the situation in / in Ukraine. I write from the remaining memory and snippets from the article:
        "Ukraine, having broken away from its Slavic roots (or the world as you want to call it), must go through a certain stage of disasters, devastation, violence. Dark forces have accumulated in it, keeping it in front of the true path and destiny, and in order to take this path, changes are needed precisely through the negative of life. Of the Slavic world (harmonious development), it creates, as it were, an imbalance towards evil (darkness) and this does not fall under the plan of the planetary development of the future.Russia understands this intuitively (and Putin in particular with the leadership) and began to act on the physical level in order to maintain balance ( Crimea, DPR LPR, etc.), but the higher ones, seeing that the method was not correct, stopped the physical process of correction and help stopped in a minimum and sufficient amount, and the most important correction occurs precisely at the Spiritual level (thoughts, emotions, etc.) where they work with brains, mind, consciousness.
        That is why work on the subtle plane is going on, that the lost people must cleanse themselves and understand with whom they are and why they are and how they should be inscribed in the future development of the planet. That is why the physical seizure of territory is ineffective, because there will be no cleansing and gratitude to the liberators in the brains, since they will be perceived as invaders and money-grubbing. But everything will happen by itself when, unexpectedly, after a few years of "free" life from all and thoughtless aspirations finally comes awareness and understanding of their future and purpose in the world and the balance will be restored with a good foundation for the future development of everyone and the planet in particular. "

        Here, something like that. As you know, before development, there is usually decline and this is a law of nature that repeats itself periodically. For development to take place, you need a problem and a goal behind it. No problem - no development, but this is stagnation and decline. And what they say when we will live gorgeous, I will say "Never" right away. For one must live harmoniously, because any extreme is bad, both darkness and light, and harmony is the golden mean, and this harmony must first of all be born in the head or mature, so that in life they act harmoniously, and not stupidly by instincts or imposed ( other people) rules.
        Everything is only through the brains, and "Hurray patriotism" will not help because it is an extreme of the light sense, and in the hands of the dark - pure evil. And they will have a ruler (the lost people) who is not yet visible and few people know, and he will restore the country with an orientation towards the same Slavic world.
        1. gray smeet
          gray smeet 21 July 2016 10: 02
          +8
          Quote:
          Discontent is growing, not only by the authorities, but also by Europe. And now they also recall that there are fewer terrorist attacks in Russia, and, in general, it is possible to live. Both Russians and Russians.

          Let’s listen to WHAT Bandera began to say today:

          v = 2bZfh1qXQE0

          Here are his other statements:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7u6g7GmQII - Украина сделала ставку на утопию о бесконечной войне с Россией и ее развал


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twAUNaNP77g - Корона не упадет, если мы, как Эрдоган, напишем письмо Путину - Карасев


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UcxpIKB-_A - Украинские элиты рагромлены, ситуация в стране выходит из-под контроля
          1. iConst
            iConst 21 July 2016 14: 19
            +14
            Quote: gray smeet
            ...
            Let’s listen to WHAT Bandera began to say today:
            ...
            - Did he become so clever after the ogreb on Russian live broadcast?

            Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
            I am sure that the powders and pravoseki both came and will leave. And the people of Ukraine will remain. And therefore I will always stand against those who spit in the direction of this nation. Especially from here, from our territory. Well, God bless them all. And the judge of the freaks who turned the country the devil knows what, with time will become the people of this country.

            I am sure about that.
            I don’t know what your confidence is based on.
            My general feeling is that the political situation on around Donbass is slowly but surely getting worse. Despite the positive (if true) dynamics of economic recovery.

            The West only pretends to put pressure on Kiev. A little more, and, first, the OSCE will be armed, then there will be a provocation and overnight "blue helmets" will be deployed there and the Ukrainian army, already with a UN mandate, will move forward.
            And in case of serious problems, NATO will intervene there, it is possible, also with a UN resolution.
            What do you think - the NATO-Ukraine summit was just like that? I am sure that such topics were worked out.

            There will be a new mini-Yugoslavia. What can Russia do?

            Not an expert, but judging by the numerous materials and statements of the participants in the fighting, that if they had not stopped the capture of Mariupol, the situation would have been fundamentally different.

            But History has no subjunctive mood.
            1. evge-malyshev
              evge-malyshev 21 July 2016 15: 02
              +11
              Quote: iConst
              if they had not stopped the capture of Mariupol, the situation would have been fundamentally different.


              How are you right about Mariupol !!!
              1. Ramzaj99
                Ramzaj99 21 July 2016 19: 08
                +11
                If you think everyone here has gone awry - no. In Kiev, 30-40% of the minimum of those who are called "separatists".

                I do not already believe in these articles !!
                Since I am sure that there are 95% there And I can talk about this with confidence, because I have relatives and friends there. (There is already a moot point about friends)
                Stop 100 people on the street and ask what they think of Russia and Putin. 95% will answer you that Russia is a fiend of evil, and Putin is sleeping and sees how to conquer Ukraine and make all Ukrainians become poor)))
                So all such articles, it’s like the voice of a screaming man in the desert, maybe he’s yelling right, but no one hears him, and if he hears, he twists his finger at the temple, and this is at best. In the worst car bomb .......
                1. silberwolf88
                  silberwolf88 22 July 2016 08: 59
                  +8
                  and now, for several generations of children, the brains have been washed completely and irrevocably ... and where can these generations be done ?? ... do lobotomy to everyone ?? ... these are different people ... another nation that we don’t need at all, from fishing, that is ABSOLUTELY ... even as tourists ...
                  they’ll build another country at home ... let's see ... goals ... tasks ... ideology of the population
                  The roots in the Bandera past ... accepted by the main masses with a bang ... everyday nationalism of the Soviet period - always considered themselves the breadwinners and breadwinners of all Russia ... and much more ... but it all started with positioning yourself as OTHER ... excellent from people of Russian culture
                  1. You Vlad
                    You Vlad 23 July 2016 06: 29
                    +2
                    Dear Sergey, don’t be so sure about this! Remember yourself in your youth that you thought about history about historical figures then about events! Have you really grown up when your grades have changed? If you say no, then I’ll cry out loud ! You can change their point of view over time with information and good!
                  2. edge
                    edge 23 July 2016 15: 31
                    0
                    Quote: silberwolf88
                    and now, for several generations of children, the brains have been washed completely and irrevocably ... and where can these generations be done ??

                    Guys, in addition to Siberia, we have not yet mastered the Arctic, either by the ruble or by the stage .... Joseph Vissarionovich indicated the right direction, he prepared the necessary forces.
                2. Genas
                  Genas 24 July 2016 10: 23
                  0
                  ... the answer may be so. but that’s what they think.
              2. edge
                edge 23 July 2016 15: 27
                +1
                Quote: evge-malyshev
                if they had not stopped the capture of Mariupol, the situation would have been fundamentally different.

                We need all of Ukraine and the whole and it will be ours, only the brains of the people need to be corrected and nobody will do better than poverty, so we are waiting with comrades.
            2. Suhow
              Suhow 23 July 2016 13: 34
              0
              maybe a little off topic, but with the intervention of NATO, the Ukrainian question will burst my patience, it is already at zero with Bandera avenues, USSR bans. I don’t know if they understand me here, but I gave the oath to the people of Ukraine and there were words about the integrity of the country and the protection of the people, they are now under threat, but NATO’s open intervention changes a lot for me. Look at the box and take a foul breath , I do not support the split of Ukraine but also against the Natsiks. It’s very difficult to make a step ... For me, the country should be united, but not with the power and its slogans.
              1. You Vlad
                You Vlad 23 July 2016 14: 04
                0
                Here in Russia, too, the people of patience have little left to hold on to! We were also overburdened be healthy! The main thing is not to fuss, do not spoil your life, otherwise the prison! Everything will soon resolve little by little! You are not the only such people who will soon realize that they deceived him! And gradually everything will change the election re-election! Ten or fifteen years from now! Well, you have to go the way back .. Russia will repel full sovereignty will immediately be easier for you!
              2. edge
                edge 23 July 2016 15: 34
                0
                Quote: Suhow
                I don’t know if they will understand me here, but I gave the oath to the people of Ukraine

                and the Jew valtsman believes that he personally
                1. Suhow
                  Suhow 23 July 2016 23: 04
                  0
                  valtsman thinks so, his problem, the attitude towards him dasha among Svidomo = baseboard ...
                2. Genas
                  Genas 24 July 2016 10: 33
                  0
                  ... my cousin, an officer from the first Ukrainian graduation .. still in departmental housing, had to leave for a dog and get an apartment .. I did not have time now to constantly travel to the zone (...) I help his mother constantly (financially) despite the fact that her son is a senior officer ... this is not the point, I always told everyone ...- I understand the oath, duty, family and other things ... but the other day in communication I gave out ...- when everything will end on a visit to him I won’t go to his parents, yes .. to him no ... and yet I understand everything ... how to live with it?
            3. edge
              edge 23 July 2016 15: 23
              0
              Quote: iConst
              Let’s listen to WHAT Bandera began to say today:

              let's dot the project-Ukraine was started by the German General Staff in 1911, in 1918, at the conclusion of the Brest-Lithuanian peace treaty, at the urgent demand of the Germans, Kaganovich within a month in the territory of Little Russia, the Ukrainian republic was created which in 1924. became part of the USSR. There has never been Ukraine, and at all, THIS IS A REALIZED GERMAN IDEA.
          2. Genas
            Genas 24 July 2016 10: 19
            0
            ... conclusion, it remains to wait a bit?
        2. gm9019
          gm9019 23 July 2016 14: 14
          0
          Quote: Irokez
          That is exactly to see the light and help. As it is with Lenin, "The top can not - the bottom does not want." This is when a revolutionary moment should arise, and the export of the revolution will not work, and Che Guevara paid the price.

          "An uprising, in order to be successful, must be based not on a conspiracy, not on a party, but on the advanced class. This is firstly. The uprising must be based on the revolutionary upsurge of the people. This is secondly. The uprising must be based on such a turning point in growing history. revolution, when the activity of the advanced ranks of the people is greatest, when the vacillations are most intense in the ranks of the enemies and in the ranks of the weak half-hearted indecisive friends of the revolution.
          “It was Marx who spoke out on this score in the most definite, precise and indisputable way, calling the uprising art, saying that the uprising must be treated as art, that one must win the first success and go from success to success, without stopping the offensive against the enemy, taking advantage of his confusion, etc., etc. "
          IN AND. Lenin. Marxism and rebellion.

          Therefore - hardly ... negative
      2. Mifcada
        Mifcada 23 July 2016 10: 28
        0
        I would like to know when the Ukrainians and Poles will finally understand that they are part of the Russian world and, accordingly, will become part of Russia?
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 23 July 2016 11: 09
          0
          It’s unlikely that the Poles will never be, and the Ukrainians will not get rid of us crying ! History shows that our brothers Slavs were constantly in the camp of the enemy in wars against us!
          1. edge
            edge 23 July 2016 15: 42
            0
            Quote: You Vlad
            Poles hardly ever be

            I remember they sat in RUSSIA for 200 years and did not hum, EVERYTHING WILL RETURN TO ITS CIRCLE, only Putin will not do it; it is not without reason that in Europe there is a belief that Russians always come for their own.
          2. Genas
            Genas 24 July 2016 10: 38
            0
            ... yes, we are all part of a certain world, whatever you call it "Russian" or "Slavic" .. no need to find fault with the definition ... when the essence is the same.
        2. edge
          edge 23 July 2016 15: 36
          +1
          Quote: Mifkada
          I would like to know when the Ukrainians and Poles will finally understand that they are part of the Russian world and, accordingly, will become part of Russia?

          only when the cock pecks ... and there will be no choice
    2. Vend
      Vend 21 July 2016 10: 01
      +27
      And if I drop into my hut from Russia that will give me the opportunity to go against the Nazis not with a shovel from the spade, but at least with the same weapons as the blacks, I will go again.
      Of course there is a reason in your words, but the Crimeans got up with cuttings from shovels and survived. You know, if you performed all over Ukraine, then Svidomo would have no chance. There are businessmen. and gangsters who could provide weapons. Yes, anything. The power of the Crimea was in the unity of thoughts and desires. In Ukraine, confusion and reeling. Again we hear you let us go. And you do something and they will give you.
      1. avt
        avt 21 July 2016 10: 30
        +19
        Quote: Wend
        . Again we hear you let us go.

        what For a hike this is .... either genetic memory, or Pavlov's reflex, developed since the time of the arrival of Oleg, the regent of Rurik's son Igor, who declared her Kiev and the mother of Russian cities, in Kuyaba. " The Vladimir-Uzdal squad, or even all together, shortened a certain number of people who were especially stubborn in a riot, the height of the head and rules ... until the arrival of the next challenger from the north from the Novgorod, Suzdal, Vladimir squad. bully
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 21 July 2016 17: 39
          +3
          Brain cleaning time, about 3 months.
        2. V.ic
          V.ic 21 July 2016 20: 23
          +1
          Quote: avt
          shortened a certain number of those especially stubborn in a riot, growth on his head and rules ..... until the next applicant arrived from the north with the Novgorod, Suzdal, Vladimir squads.

          If you are hinting at Andrei Yuryevich - Bogolyubsky, then his boyars then "banged" him, by the way, the "Kuchkovichi" (ancestors of the "Muscovites").
          1. avt
            avt 21 July 2016 22: 45
            +3
            Quote: V.ic
            If you are hinting at Andrei Yuryevich - Bogolyubsky

            No. It was just where it all ended — for the poisoning by the kiyans of the pope — Yury Dolgorukov, who was sitting great there, Andryusha robbed Kiev for three days and did not stay there as the Grand Duke of Kiev. Almost from him the table quietly moved north.
            Quote: V.ic
            so his boyars later "banged" him, by the way, the "Kuchkovichi" (ancestors of the "Muscovites").

            Well, Yura Dolgoruky also nailed their ancestors in the city of theirs - Moscow and .... then he wrote to a friend - "Come to me in the city of Moscow", there he had a gangway with him for the capture of Kiev by armed means and the landing of Yura the Great, that actually from the second call they did. That’s for the dad, they’ve got his son, quite comme il faut of that time, and Andryusha’s bodyguard in those days was ... a kiyanin! wassat
      2. Scoun
        Scoun 21 July 2016 10: 39
        +13
        Quote: Wend
        Of course there is a reason in your words, but the Crimeans got up with cuttings from the shovels and survived.

        but there is another side that our comrades screaming putinsil did not take into account / do not take into account.
        If everything goes as it is today, then in five years (God forbid), the Russian troops and the troops of Donbass will be greeted with bread and salt here.

        But not before. It is necessary to ripen, if earlier, then they will shoot just in the back, and they will meet them in the face with assault rifles. And the same people. Brains need to be cleaned.
        1. ver_
          ver_ 21 July 2016 12: 52
          0
          ... so before princes were invited and money was unfastened, but it’s easy not to sit down in a boil ..
        2. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 21 July 2016 15: 14
          +3
          70 years after the war has passed, and in the face and back still shortcomings shoot.
        3. You Vlad
          You Vlad 23 July 2016 06: 44
          0
          Roman Well here is the voice of reason +
        4. Genas
          Genas 24 July 2016 10: 41
          +1
          ... time is nothing ... life is everything ... we will wait.
      3. revnagan
        revnagan 21 July 2016 12: 52
        +13
        Quote: Wend
        Of course there is a reason in your words, but the Crimeans got up with cuttings from the shovels and survived.

        Oh, do not "la-la"! Crimean Tatars, who are a minority on the peninsula THREE TIMES, gathered crowded rallies in the same Simferopol "for Maidaun". And the unorganized Slavic population could not oppose them. And only when unknown armed people in uniform captured the Administration, when the slandered "Berkut" returned to Crimea and took the side of the Slavic majority, then the scales began to lean towards the Russians. But, I emphasize, with the help of an armed, organized force. And about "shovel cuttings" - well, this is for future generations into the tutorials ...
      4. CONTROL
        CONTROL 21 July 2016 13: 10
        +5
        Quote: Wend
        And if I drop into my hut from Russia that will give me the opportunity to go against the Nazis not with a shovel from the spade, but at least with the same weapons as the blacks, I will go again.
        Of course there is a reason in your words, but the Crimeans got up with cuttings from the shovels and survived. You know, if you performed all over Ukraine, then Svidomo would have no chance. There are businessmen. and thugs who could provide weapons. Yes to anything. The power of the Crimea was in the unity of thoughts and desires. In Ukraine, confusion and reeling. Again we hear you let us go. And you do something and they will give you.

        Golden words!
        ... Again - give us ... zbroyu ... that fat trochi ... and so on - again, all in a new way? pennies for fish?
        ... do you want a turn in the brain, non-comrades Ukrainians? And the "turn" that you have there now, did not howl you yourself? You liked him at first - since 2003 !?
        As for the fact that "like blacks ..." - you can start with the "democratizer" of the PR-73 brand! They started with them; the main thing is the organization! And while they will be ahead of YOU in this (without any references to the 3,14-stan and the European Union ...) - there is nothing to talk about!
        In any case - it seems to me that the State Duma’s permission to enter ... this very ... is still in effect with the Supreme Commander ... Or one of two?
        -------------
        For reference - how much volunteer militias (like "Donbass", "Azov", "Aydar" and so on. - more than 40! including from "heroic Odessa, Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk!) have set themselves completely - how do we, Russia, think - the pro-Russian regions of Ukraine? Join! So much for "what blacks have ..."
        ---------------------
        Whoever does not want is looking for a reason (and excuses), who wants is looking for a way!
      5. Maverick78
        Maverick78 21 July 2016 14: 18
        +16
        if the Crimeans did not get the help of the green men - Donbass would now be in Crimea. We got up in Kharkov and Odessa and Zaporozhye ... in Kharkov, in my opinion, the most active protests were ... but it is very difficult to do anything against the Western information machine. And for the hundredth time I’ll tell those who say that it was possible to watch Russian news ... at least get the hang of it ... your news also did a lot for this situation ... They provided very one-sided information and sometimes also unverified information, and the local grabbed it full-time journalists ... the smallest jamb of your media was presented in the most negative light. Well, of course, everything personally fell on Putin, too, where would it be without him) So it turned out that several thousand paid and ideological journalists and militants, with the support of oligarchs and politicians, brainwashed (or carried out) the huge mass of people that you offer me a cut from knead shovels ... Because if I go, for example, to bring him down, then there will be a crowd of all kinds of ordinary rams who squeeze the thought that Putin’s scary agent is about to take her from Nenko ... and what should I do with them?
        1. Vend
          Vend 21 July 2016 14: 41
          +3
          Quote: Maverick78
          if I go, for example, to bring him down, then a crowd of all kinds of ordinary rams will come running that crammed into the thought that Putin’s scary agent is about to take her from Nenko ... and what should I do with them?
          Of course, it’s better not to do anything, to sit quietly and wait for the Russian troops to come free. And then to meet them with bread and salt. Svidomo immediately start to beat. Without fear, the answer will fly. I want to tell not only you, but Oles, and others with the same thoughts. Stop pitying yourself and blaming others. Not only those who brought Ukraine to such a state are to blame, but also those who were silent when it all started. It all began not in the 2014 of the year, but in the 90, when the heroization of the UPA and Svidomization of the country began.
          1. Suhow
            Suhow 23 July 2016 14: 19
            0
            I admit my guilt for silence. I have nothing to answer for this - yes, I'm guilty.
        2. Genas
          Genas 24 July 2016 10: 53
          0
          ... bring down ???
      6. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 21 July 2016 14: 37
        +6
        Nothing in Ukraine will change. Doctors will continue to sell sick leave. teachers to tear off the parents of students, the police to sell drugs and to protect prostitutes, to protect business. and so on and so forth, everything was captured and swallowed in a circle .. Who needs justice and law in Ukraine ?? The military? -they need a war in the Donbass (looting. looting and budget theft!) Not the coup fighters .. Oh, not the coup! And the people are powerless and speechless, without language ... Powerless ... Food for those in power .... Longing and Gloom !!!
      7. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty 21 July 2016 19: 27
        +1
        Quote: Wend
        but the Crimeans got up with cuttings from shovels

        You call this "polite people" cuttings? Or the Black Sea Fleet with nuclear weapons?

        Quote: Wend
        There are businessmen. and bandits who could provide weapons.

        And in the Dnieper, they cleaned up pro-Russian Ukrainians.
      8. passing
        passing 21 July 2016 21: 12
        +4
        Dear (judging by shoulder straps) WEND! The courage of Crimeans is undeniable, but do not forget that our combat-ready units were there, and they would cover the loin portion of Crimeans. And this is also indisputable. I think it is not worth developing a thought, further and so everything is clear
        1. SergeBS
          SergeBS 21 July 2016 23: 28
          +3
          Quote: passing
          Dear (judging by shoulder straps) WEND! The courage of Crimeans is undeniable, but do not forget that our combat-ready units were there, and they would cover the loin portion of Crimeans. And it is just as certain.

          I recommend reading the history of 1956 - "Hungarian mutiny". There were combat-ready units of the USSR. Only this did not prevent the local nationalists in gasoline barrels in front of the army to burn the Russians who did not have time "for the shield".
          WITHOUT ORDER - FIG. Only PERSONAL actions (with the threat of a tribunal), which are "slightly" worse than working in a unit with the same strength.
          1. Genas
            Genas 24 July 2016 10: 56
            0
            ... Hungary in comparison is serious! ... well done.
      9. You Vlad
        You Vlad 23 July 2016 06: 41
        0
        Did someone organize them in Crimea? Helped, prompted, gave people, didn’t say wait soon there will be no help? If you think that this is not so, I don’t know what to say ...
      10. Suhow
        Suhow 23 July 2016 13: 39
        0
        right words in Ukraine scatter and reel. therefore there is that which is. = + = for koment.Ya from there.
    3. avt
      avt 21 July 2016 10: 18
      +9
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Believe: Day D and the hour will come.

      And who is this? A-ah-ah-ah! This is like, information closed from the SBU "! Well, psedanim" bully
      Yes, they would. We, in Kharkov, once went out with the whole city. And we’ll leave.
      I believe, I saw, they went out and ..... Dopa and Gepa merged them quite specifically, neither Kovpak, nor the Order-bearer of the Red Banner No. 4 was found at the right time in Kharkov. Makhno is a medical fact.
      And we’ll leave. One question: for whom? No, like in the Donbass, simple. And there are field commanders, and subordinates. Weapons ... not easy. If you didn’t help in 2014, you won’t help today. And after is not easy. When the government will need to be built. Whom? For whom? For Yanukovych? No, guys, you leave all who fell to you at your place. And Yanyka, and Azarov, and Tsarev. For them, no one will substitute the head for bullets and batons already. But the most important question is who ...
      And here is interesting! Somehow I remembered the memoirs of General Naumov, when he went to the Steppe raid across Ukraine. So when meeting with the underground, they told him - "Comrade" N "?" At first he did not understand, and then figured out - the Gestapo conducted a grandiose operation to suppress the partisan movement. Introduced provocateurs and ... conducted an operation through them. ,, on the accumulation of forces! "Like - wait and get ready for that very
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Day D and the hour will come.

      But in the then version of "comrade" N ", right here for each underground worker there was a rifle worn by a specific policeman, BUT - it was necessary to wait for the order of" comrade "N"! And so - I believe, I believe that many in the foreseeable future, , forged a victory over the regime in Kiev underground. "
      . And Yanyka, and Azarov, and Tsarev.
      also ,, forge ".... in Russia wassat request So here it is in the article
      Understand, finally, we are simple people, there is, of course, someone who thinks in politics and economics, but there are few of them. The rest are busy with their questions simple, they would survive, and with this hard. But it is necessary to survive. At least so that there was someone to restore order after some time.
      PURE is true! In the Luhansk region and the Donbass, they somehow counted, and most importantly, they CHOSE that it is better to live, and sometimes even die, it is better to stand than to survive on your knees, and even to be recorded in the "surgical waste". I do not moralize and do not teach either gram and I do not condemn either those who simply dumped from the Ruins out of harm's way, nor those who really survive on their own and with their loved ones! the war, which even the eternally drunk Porosyonko understands, has already tried to call his ATO Ukrainian Persian .... domestic.
      1. You Vlad
        You Vlad 23 July 2016 07: 20
        0
        I don’t understand. People have been working for years, billions of money are being spent to organize something! Why is it all when you can tell them and they will do everything and organize themselves, they will throw off the hateful regime! Well, the crowd can’t organize itself for a day, for two, after which the most active ones are identified and neutralized and everything calms down and scatters through the huts! This is done by trained specialists ! Ask about the PSYCHOLOGY OF MASS
    4. V.ic
      V.ic 21 July 2016 10: 49
      +4
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Believe: Day D and the hour will come.

      Is this when the mashiach arrives?
      1. You Vlad
        You Vlad 23 July 2016 14: 20
        0
        Yeah, his stupid people are waiting for them, they think they will be given a warmer place for hesitation in hell! They found some people to believe! Well, they still had nothing to lose! REPENT them forgiveness will not work.
    5. Gabor
      Gabor 21 July 2016 10: 59
      +6
      The answer of Russian Ukrainians to readers of "Military Review"
      The name of this creation is very pretentious and frankly odious. Any such Ukrainians?
      They have been soaked in the toilet for a long time. And so it would be more interesting and more correct to hear the not blinded opinion of Akim, Marpech, Motors, Maverick, Cornelli .. And even Crystal was banned ..
      By some miracle, only Kars remained from the Ukrainian faction "VO", and even he, after numerous baths, is unlikely to even want to hint.
    6. Skubudu
      Skubudu 21 July 2016 12: 27
      +2
      Generally not a readable article.
    7. siberalt
      siberalt 21 July 2016 18: 46
      +1
      The Russian Ukrainian was very offended that Dmitry, in the style of harsh banter, ridiculed his fellow countrymen who hid in the huts from both. Everyone is waiting in fear for things to get better on their own. And what is the split of the people here? And the man does his job with all his hatred of the Ukrainian fascists, and does not sign on behalf of all "Russian Ukrainians".
      1. Maverick78
        Maverick78 22 July 2016 09: 20
        +3
        Do not be offended, but we say about such people "a smart yak vutka, and a yak float")) I can better see from here whether there is a split or not. Every day I talk to people on these topics, some agree, some don't, some threaten. The masses are under the wildest pressure of the Ukrainian and world media. Gigatons of shit are pouring from everywhere and very few can resist this pressure. I don’t watch Ukrainian news not only because it’s full of pi.dezh, but also because I caught myself starting to believe in all this nonsense. And about "take a machine gun and drive fascists" ... I haven't seen fascists here .... there are Nazis ... maybe a couple of tens of thousands ... well organized. And they have a roof and information support. But I have not. But at the same time, I express my opinion on what is happening to ordinary people and ATO officers and nationalists, I am not going to blame anywhere and I do not expect any release. And yes, I am a "Russian Ukrainian" and I do not share Dzygi's opinion ... just like the "salvation committee" for me is a "proya committee" ... they were in power, COULD NOT SEE what was being prepared, but they were engaged in the arrangement of their own future ... So there to Putin on occasion, tell him that no one will accept the yanyka with his committees ... for us they are the same traitors and LGBT activists as those who are now in power
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 23 July 2016 13: 18
          +1
          Do not be offended, but they say in us - fear the indifferent. It was only from your indifference that fascism came to Ukraine (which you try not to notice, or refer to its significance). Only with your indifference was the Maidan repeated with all the consequences for you. And now you are wiping away the snot and closing your mouths to those who express to you this vile indifference. And to consider ourselves smarter than everyone is a purely Ukrainian character trait. So, we are even.
    8. Rezident007
      Rezident007 21 July 2016 22: 31
      +2
      Personally, I am not ready to forgive all Ukrainians - both the Natsik-Bendera, and the "Khataskrayniks", ALL Ukrainians ... there were plenty of people ... and as they say "just ordinary people" also hooted and cackled, they were literally bursting with hatred of everything Russian. But now just take it and forgive, no, I can't. They write that it was the same with us - in some moments, especially in the power, oligarchy, bandits-cops, the war in Chechnya, in general, a complete out - then maybe yes. BUT - have we ever been distinguished by Nazism and hatred of the Slavic peoples ??? Personally, I had no idea how to call a Ukrainian or a Belarusian guilty of all the troubles of Russia ... The Ukrainians themselves are to blame for allowing such a powerful brainwashing of themselves, their children and grandchildren, that today they hate Russians-Russians so much. And one should not blame the authorities for everything, education is one thing, and parents are another, the child feeds the main ideology and thinking from the parents (there are of course exceptions, but no more), I think the hint is clear. To be honest, I used to want three Slavic countries: Belarus, Russia, Ukraine to be a part of one state, just choose a unifying name. But I no longer believe the Ukrainians, I do not believe, even if they ask for forgiveness, that they are sincerely for the faithful friendship of the people ... Having betrayed once, will betray again.
      1. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty 22 July 2016 19: 05
        +2
        Quote: Resident007
        Personally, I am not ready to forgive all Ukrainians


        You’re probably the boss of Putin if you think that someone needs your forgiveness ...
      2. You Vlad
        You Vlad 23 July 2016 07: 47
        0
        Rezident007 Let's go from the simple, there is a family, father, mother and child! Father is Russia, mother Ukraine, the child is our Russian people! There was such a situation, one of the bandits liked our apartment and he began to brazenly and successfully look after our mother! In the family, scandals even the assault is a complete mess! Question: What should the child do? Dad, let’s mom leave or kill! So I’ll say what the child needs to do, shut his mouth until the adults solve the problem so as not to aggravate the situation
    9. 73petia
      73petia 24 July 2016 00: 39
      0
      Until day "D" and hour "H" come, a new generation will grow up. They won't need to be brainwashed. They will have everything in the "kindergartens" and schools. What to do with them? These will be real implacable enemies.
  2. Riv
    Riv 21 July 2016 06: 06
    +44
    So all the same "Russians" or "Ukrainians"? Guys, you’ll decide, otherwise if you sit on two chairs, your ass will crack.
    And Putin has absolutely nothing to do with it.
    1. NIKNN
      NIKNN 21 July 2016 07: 32
      +34
      The article put a plus, of course it's a shame and I want to defend myself.
      But, 40% of patriots, where are the numbers from?
      Then one writer, this is nonsense, we can’t count such and we do not write articles for each.
      WE chose Putin, to which claim, choose your own, but not for cookies from Washington.
      I got sick of Europe, but as I wanted, as I wanted.
      The position is interesting, we were pressed in now help, only as we want, otherwise we will shoot in the back ... so how to help?
      And at the last one, we mainly comment on articles in VO and each person expresses his opinion and different people, also adequately for clients. it is necessary to approach, given that we also have televisions ...
      1. heaps
        heaps 21 July 2016 12: 43
        +2
        I confirm the figures for the Poltava province. About even more than 45-50%.
        1. Maverick78
          Maverick78 22 July 2016 09: 32
          +1
          I will argue the figures for the Poltava region ... 15-20 percent, about the same number of Maidan and ancient ancient Ukrainians. The rest are targets for brainwashing (if there is one, of course)
      2. revnagan
        revnagan 21 July 2016 13: 00
        +4
        Quote: NIKNN
        We chose Putin
        laughing
        It's even funny to comment ... "I'm tired, I walk!", And showed a successor ...
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 21 July 2016 20: 39
          +4
          Quote: revnagan
          It's even funny to comment ... "I'm tired, I walk!", And showed a successor ..

          Well, yes, then three more times I got up and graves and did the same ... "" Panima-ah-ah ", after the second time he showed with his little finger at ladiesa.
      3. Svyatoslavich
        Svyatoslavich 21 July 2016 13: 13
        0
        ... why complain, choose yours,
        ??
        The same crap with points ...
        (see above)
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 21 July 2016 07: 49
      +24
      So all the same "Russians" or "Ukrainians"? Guys, you’ll decide, otherwise if you sit on two chairs, your ass will crack.


      That's it. Much has been said and, as they say, "on the case." But the main thing is "we" and "you". That is, they were brainwashed, right? And your eyes were blind? Why share Putin if we are one people? Or no longer, eh, Russian Ukrainians?
      1. Riv
        Riv 21 July 2016 08: 11
        +20
        The point, in general, is not the independence. Another thing ...
        When a person does something wrong, not honestly, then even if no one knows about his act, then where will you run away from yourself? Nowhere. Your conscience is always with you and the first one to whom you are responsible for your affairs is yourself. But in Ukraine this barrier has been crossed. Someone else is always to blame for the trouble. The whole world will be blamed, but not itself. Responsibility for own actions is not assumed.

        And who is not responsible for their actions? Either sick people, psychos, or ... slaves. The serf never answered for himself. His master answered. He could serf a serf to death, or send to hard labor, but this is a punishment. And the responsibility itself has always been on its owner.

        So Ukraine now ... was left without a master. The old died, the new did not come. The manager of the estate is yesterday’s serf himself. I visited some kind of visiting socialist in the village, brought cookies, and cheated. As a result, we have what we have.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 21 July 2016 09: 24
          +8
          The point, in general, is not the independence.


          In her, "darling". We, too, "without a master" in the 90s almost glued the flippers. But the manager of the current "bar" has such a rating that no "sicilist" has ever dreamed of. Again, everything that is written in the article is correct. Only the division into "we" and "you" is not correct. What does it mean exactly from the "Russian" Ukrainians to hear this at all strange. After all, everyone considers themselves "a part of the Russian world", but only within the boundaries of "mine." It's like Father, getting gas cheaply is part of the Russian world, and selling BELAZ is an independent one. At what I agree with him, figs to our oligarchs, not BELAZ, build your own and compete. And then they got used to, you know, outlive the ready-made. But Lukashenka would say so. And then ... independence is his main value.
          1. Riv
            Riv 21 July 2016 10: 06
            +12
            No, this is exactly what is in the article and correct. It is "we" and it is "they". Why the heck are my brothers who have pumpkins for heads? God forbid. And Russia’s friends are its army and navy.
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 21 July 2016 11: 41
              +4
              No, this is exactly what is in the article and correct. It is "we" and it is "they". Why the heck are my brothers with pumpkins for heads?


              In my opinion, you still did not read the article. You were clearly told that "there is no strength." There is no reception against scrap. In Odessa they tried to rock the boat, how did it end? Fried Colorades? Do you want more of them? There are no questions here. And moving to Russia, not to mention the flaming Donbass, is also not so easy. Where to live, where to work, legal status, although, of course, all these are surmountable difficulties. But it means that it is not so bad if they do not try to overcome these difficulties. But what the RUSSIAN UKRAINIANS and US RUSSIANS share, that's bad. This implies disengagement. And there is only one step from this to "mos.klyaku to gilyaku".
              1. Riv
                Riv 21 July 2016 13: 28
                +4
                Who wanted to - moved. The year before last, an installer from Donbass got a job with a contractor. Nothing works. He took a mortgage, madman. Here he is - a Russian, because he lives in Russia, works in Russia and behaves in Russian. A pumpkin-headed ... Well them!

                And there are no "Russian Ukrainians". A Russian Ukrainian is like: "When the tanks come, don't accidentally run over me. I'm Russian, my house is on the edge." Specifically, I don't need such brothers, such friends and such acquaintances. Neighbors like that are also not needed. A Ukrainian is now suitable only for the role of a serf, and even then for the most simple jobs.
                1. Egoza
                  Egoza 21 July 2016 14: 00
                  +7
                  Quote: Riv
                  Who wanted to - moved.

                  Well, this logic "touches" me! on the one hand - good fellows, they moved, and on the other - put things in order yourself. So who will direct if everyone has left? And not everyone who would like to have left.
                2. SergeBS
                  SergeBS 21 July 2016 23: 07
                  -1
                  Quote: Riv
                  The Ukrainian is now suitable only for the role of a serf, and even then for the most simple work.

                  And as one stupid man in the Russian Federation came up with a deduction of 10% of earnings in favor of New Russia, and a morning calibration with the Russian anthem. Well, in the roofing felts 18-00, the roofing felts at 19-00 - watching the news of Channel 1 (I didn’t remember the hour - I’m not watching TV for 20 years smile )
              2. CONTROL
                CONTROL 21 July 2016 13: 57
                0
                Quote: alicante11
                But what the RUSSIAN UKRAINIANS and US RUSSIANS share, that's bad. This implies disengagement. And there is only one step from this to "mos.klyaku to gilyaku".

                ... and he's already done!
                Judging by the number and composition of terbats in the ATO zone, and in general in Ukraine ...
              3. SergeBS
                SergeBS 22 July 2016 00: 57
                +2
                Quote: alicante11
                You were clearly told that "there is no strength."

                Uh-huh. Novorossia "for some reason" found strength (how many people are there in% of 404?), And Crimea too. And only Kharkov (for example), a city with a population of over one million, "did not have the strength." Pichalka "khataskrainaya". "Let someone fight, and we sit out - it's SO easier for us. Hata is on the edge."
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 22 July 2016 09: 05
                  +3
                  gu. Novorossia "for some reason" found strength (how many people are there in% of 404?), And Crimea too.


                  Damn, well, you are like a child, TRUE! The strength was found because the border is near and help from Russia came. First the IIS, then the "north wind", and now they have taken over the maintenance of the republic in general. But we didn't get there, that's the whole difference. And about the Crimea, it is not necessary at all, there, after all, the "polite little men" did everything, if not for them, then there would be more "fried" people than in Odessa.
          2. CONTROL
            CONTROL 21 July 2016 13: 54
            +1
            Quote: alicante11
            We, too, "without a master" in the 90s almost glued the flippers. But the manager of the current "bar" has such a rating that no "sicilist" has ever dreamed of.

            ...maybe so.
            In some book I got a thought: the people work, the nobles serve the state, and the tsar bears the burden, fulfills his duty, "tax" ...
            ... made you think!
          3. Maverick78
            Maverick78 22 July 2016 09: 49
            +2
            What's so strange about "Russian Ukrainians"? I am Ukrainian, I was born in Ukraine (Ukrainian SSR), my ancestors are from here too ... well, I didn't give this name to this land. The name, by the way, is internationally recognized and you as well. But I remember that once this land was called differently, so I am Russian too. Russian Ukrainian.
            Regarding "our" "your" "we" "you" ... well, when, for example, Muscovites and St. Petersburg residents talk about things in these cities, they probably also say "here" and "you" and nothing strange about that no.
            I believe that we are one people, but it is very difficult for people to prove it, especially in the current conditions
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 21 July 2016 09: 36
          +11
          I will add. In a Russophobic state, one cannot remain Russian. I have already indicated "we" and "you". But ... these are flowers. If a person is 50 years old that he is a pig, he grunts, and the children will definitely eat from the trough.
          Therefore, excuse me, Russian Ukrainians, but I do not understand you, who remain "there." There are no weapons to overthrow the junta, as there are in Donbass, you don't need to travel far. Come, defend the Russian world and you won't have to "search" for anything on the Internet and hide your "Russianness". Is it bad in Donbass? There, too, "spread" under the "Minsk plum"? Well, great for the rush. This year, three Luhansk citizens from ... Chegdomyn joined us as a techie. That's what I understand - Russian people. For them, Russia is not a feeding trough and a convenient birdhouse and is not limited to the Moscow Ring Road. And you, dear Russian Ukrainians, I don't understand. Although, maybe because I am not "Russian". Ukrainian, Mordovian, Chechen, and I don’t know who the ancestors of Siberia used to be. In general, such a typical Soviet person.
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 21 July 2016 13: 07
            -1
            Quote: alicante11
            There are no weapons to throw off the junta, so there is in the Donbass, you do not need to travel far. Come, protect the Russian world

            ... and bring your families with you. And fasten the wheels to the houses, and also with you. And then they will say: "Well, thank you, LDN Moats helped, we separated, and you go home, to Ridna Nenka, and talk to SBU ",Yes?
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 21 July 2016 15: 17
              +2
              And then they will say: "Well, thank you, LMN Moats helped, we separated, and you go home to Ridna Nenka and talk to the SBU", right?


              And who told you that it will be so?
              1. revnagan
                revnagan 23 July 2016 19: 10
                0
                Quote: alicante11
                And who told you that it will be so?

                And what’s wrong? Where are the Kharkovites, Chernihivites, the summits and everyone who believed went to the Donbass to fight for justice, for LDN?
      2. Azazel
        Azazel 21 July 2016 09: 30
        +1
        That's it. Much has been said and, as they say, "on the case." But the main thing is "we" and "you". That is, they were brainwashed, right? And your eyes were blind? Why share Putin if we are one people? Or no longer, eh, Russian Ukrainians?

        so after all, it was not we in Russia who started this process ... the process of division and division .... after all, it is obvious that the people are one and, even if there were some nationalities (purely hypothetical), they dissolved in the "Russian world" many centuries ago ... but someone really needs to SEPARATE and play off .... a similar situation is now brewing in our Russian Cossacks ... there are already slogans that the Cossacks and the Russians are brothers !!! So ??? and then the "genocide of the Cossacks" will follow, like the Holodomor in Ukraine and "we will never be brothers" .... a worked out scheme and in fact many are underway !!! why some individuals are ashamed to be RUSSIAN ??? why is it more pleasant for the Cossacks to consider themselves the descendants of the Khazars, or the Turks ???
        nationality is a state of mind, that is, the inner world of a person, his upbringing, traditions and customs of the people inculcated since childhood ....
        and what do we see ??? Looking through the videos on YouTube for Ukrainian warriors, I did not find among them with traces of torment on my face, when the Donbas was destroyed ...
        and believe me, you can’t force a person to impose a nationality ... well, it’s impossible to make someone feel Russian if he is confident in his Ukrainians and Svidomo .... time is lost ..... hence both Russians and Ukrainians, although there are only one people ....
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 21 July 2016 11: 27
          +13
          Quote: Azazel
          a similar situation is now brewing in our Russian Cossacks ... there are already slogans that the Cossacks and Russians are brothers !!! So ??? and then the "genocide of the Cossacks" will follow, like the Holodomor in Ukraine and "we will never be brothers" ...


          Well, the Cossacks (especially the newly-minted ones) are still those peppers ... Although there are quite worthy people among them. We went one of the first to fight in Transnistria! And in the Crimea they showed themselves normally. Well, the fact that separatist sentiments are among the Cossacks is, in my opinion, a little far-fetched. I don’t know where, but among the Don Cossacks I didn’t hear that. No, of course there are those offended by life, but it’s just too much to separate, it’s a bust ... Yes, and our people are different, as is likely everywhere. And our local Cossacks, for the most part disguised clowns, again, NOT ALL, are quite adequate. But I, as a Cossack by birthright, are simply enraged when the Cossacks WRITE down some drunk from the gateway. This is really annoying and repulsive at the same time. But in general, there are normal guys, they organized a Cossack corps, one of the best not only in the Rostov region, but also in Russia! Children are taught, and it’s very good, they just don’t get a child in the building, anyway they don’t take anyone, they take only the most worthy ones, and they don’t look at the wallet of their parents. Both rich and poor study there, and everything is on an equal footing, and that’s good.

          So no one here is going to secede here, everyone considers themselves Russian, but in addition, also Cossacks.
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 21 July 2016 11: 47
          +3
          so after all, not we in Russia began this process ... the process of division and division ....


          This is what I draw your attention to, that the division comes "from there."

          a similar situation is brewing in our Russian Cossacks ... slogans are already appearing that the Cossacks and Russians are brothers !!!


          And with the Cossacks it has been for a long time. The problem of "Cossacks and nonresidents" has been a problem since the tsarist times. When one person or group of people has privileges in relation to others, this always leads to delimitation. And again, it was not the "nonresident" people who started, it is not us who wear service jackets and whips. And the Cossacks are trying to stand out. What does it mean now, mostly not by business, but by appearance. Without touching, of course, the Cossacks who fought in the Donbass.
          1. V.ic
            V.ic 21 July 2016 20: 44
            +2
            Quote: alicante11
            And the Cossacks are trying to stand out. What does it now basically do not do, but appearance.

            Well, don't tell me, "pusek", after all otmu.okhali during the Sochi Olympics! Not "kents, not" cops ", but like that ... as if" mummers "in your opinion.
      3. CONTROL
        CONTROL 21 July 2016 13: 45
        +1
        Quote: alicante11
        That's it. Much has been said and, as they say, "on the case." But the main thing is "we" and "you". That is, they were brainwashed, right? And your eyes were blind?

        There is such a personal everyday observation: there is a herd of cows or, say, sheep divided by two herds - how these two herds start to treat each other as a competitor! "They are - and um!"
        ... so who are we - cows or sheep? ... Somehow to decide! ..
    3. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 21 July 2016 09: 06
      +16
      Quote: Riv
      So all the same "Russians" or "Ukrainians"? Guys, you’ll decide, otherwise if you sit on two chairs, your ass will crack.
      And Putin has absolutely nothing to do with it.

      Well, how can it be? And this: "A hut on the edge? Yes, mine is on the edge of the whole Ukraine. And if you throw in my hut from Russia something that will give me the opportunity to go against the Nazis not with a shovel handle, but at least with the same as the black , with weapons, I will go again. " ?
      But from this I am generally delighted: "If everything goes the way it is today, then in five years (God forbid), the Russian troops and the troops of Donbass will be greeted here with bread and salt."
      And here are my "five cents", in five years, what will remain there? The local rulers have done a lot in two years, and in another five ... What will happen?
      Salt Bread laughing From whom? From an illiterate, embittered population living on scorched earth with which even black soil was stolen?
      And we need it? request Or you, gentlemen "Russian Ukrainians" again decided that you are something better than Siberians, for example ..? We won't eat it ourselves, but we'll feed the "brotherly people" ..? Also, nifiga, not loyal.
      In short, I have not read anything in this article except for another trip for a freebie. Only some dream of "Bandera will come ..." others are tired of waiting for Obama and Merkel, and still others, well, which is 40%, are waiting for Putin.
      Wait further, better wait for Xi Jin Ping, there will be less internal contradictions! yes
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 21 July 2016 10: 04
        +33
        Quote: Observer 33
        Wait further, better wait for Xi Jin Ping, there will be less internal contradictions! yes


        BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO !!! You have glanced at the very essence of Ukrainians, and this essence is called HALYAVA. I want to remind the former fraternal people how much good this people raped from Russia, who fed it, cherished, cherished and gave it different gifts in the form of lands to which this very people had and has nothing to do.

        Oleg here correctly noticed, will you decide who you are ?! Are they Russians or Ukrainians ?! When you decide, then we'll talk. Because if you are Russian, then we are one people, which, by the way, were historically! But if you are Ukrainians, then go dear brothers in the forest. Do you remember the history of "ukrainy" ?! In my opinion, in your entire history, when you existed separately from Russia, all you did was betray us, crap on us and envy us. What, say no ?! Let's remember Sahaidachny, Mazepa, and even the same Bohdan Khmelnitsky, who actually ran to Russia when everyone threw him, and Port and the Crimean Khan. As a result, he was simply forced to ask for protection from Moscow. This I am already silent for petliura, Skoropadsky, Makhno and your other walk-field.

        Now here again many will pounce on me, they say I am angry, I have rabies and so on and so forth. I'll tell you all this: Yes, Yes and Yes! If you like to think of me that way, think. However, not only Roman Skomorokhov has relatives in Ukraine. From my home to the border with Ukraine, 50-60 kilometers in a straight line and there are relatives on both sides of the confrontation in Ukraine. Therefore, I also know what I am talking about. HALYAVA, this is the main principle of their life, at least for most of the Ukrainians. I will give one example: an aunt came to us from Ukraine (I do not specifically indicate the city). So she came to us since Soviet times. Somehow, when she was asked to bring sausages, she said that we are all rogue here, and Ukraine is feeding us. But she brought the sausage, and when they looked at the label, the sausage was produced ... where would you think ?! At our own meat-packing plant !!! Only here in our stores it was not possible to find it in the afternoon with fire, and so in everything! And they treated us all the time with some kind of disdain, a sense of a certain superiority, damn breadwinners. And what about you, "the breadbasket of Russia", now running around the world with outstretched hand ?!

        So I repeat: DEFINE FIRST WHO YOU ARE, RUSSIAN OR PROTOUKRY, where do you go to the beautiful or the smart ?! Then we will talk about who is who is brother or sister! I can say to myself that the Ukrainians (I emphasize the UKRAINIANS, that is, those who consider themselves not Russian) are not my brothers! You can take offense at me further, but I have not the slightest desire to help you, especially after the help that we have provided to your "refugees", they still turned out to be ...
        1. Siberia 9444
          Siberia 9444 21 July 2016 11: 52
          +1
          Great comment! Plus, Diana, I support you 100%
        2. weksha50
          weksha50 21 July 2016 12: 50
          +1
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          What about you? "granary of Russia", now now around the world with an outstretched hand now running ?!


          I completely agree with your comment ...
          However, I want to add a little trifle ...
          Even in Soviet times, it seems, under the definition of "granary of Russia"The Stavropol, Krasnodar Territories and the Rostov Region were suitable ... In general, a region with a favorable climate for agriculture (look at the geography of the former RSFSR, and everything will be clear) ...

          And Ukraine ... This is not a granary, but "eternal breadwinner"Russia ... laughing

          PS By the way, the insinuation with sausage is very out of place ... I also had to somehow encounter such a fact ... I neighing then until I can not ...
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 21 July 2016 15: 22
            +2
            It is necessary to add the Altai Territory and a number of districts of neighboring regions to the granaries of Russia. As well as a number of areas of the Volga region. To a certain extent, the Voronezh region and a number of other areas of the Central Black Earth Region.
            1. SergeBS
              SergeBS 22 July 2016 01: 06
              +1
              Quote: Sergej1972
              To some extent, the Voronezh region

              "Between us, girls" (c) "Chronicle of a dive bomber" ... A cubic meter of Voronezh black soil - in the Paris Chamber - is a sample of the MOST fertile land. wink
        3. Maverick78
          Maverick78 22 July 2016 10: 27
          +2
          Diana, I'm from the Poltava region. Here during the Union, through one millionaire collective farms stood, and queues for butter, milk and the same sausage were not uncommon, because all of the above was rare. Where did it all go? I’m not saying that you ate it, but the Union’s frankly idiotic policy regarding the production of produced, grown and mined resources just now comes around in such moods as someone fed someone watered and dressed ...
          If you carefully study the story, then you can show each other ad infinitum, so I recommend not to do it.
          Regarding fraternal, non-fraternal ... I have enough brothers in Russia (real, by blood) as well as friends and acquaintances, so there is no urgent need for an additional amount. I want to say one thing, I may not express myself very well, but do not take it personally and try to understand. Whoever organizes all THIS ... it doesn’t matter ... but such appeals (relations, etc.), on the one hand and on the other hand, indicate that they have almost achieved their goal ... and IF they achieve it completely, then WE ALL - lose.
          Regarding the last paragraph. I am Russian, I am Ukrainian (born and raised on a land called Ukraine), but not a descendant of ancient ukrov). I’m smart and handsome, I’m not going to burst)) I’m not asking myself for brothers (my relatives and I don’t have much time to even talk normally) And I don’t know how to be offended (I haven’t learned how for almost 40 years) What can I do with all this?
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 22 July 2016 23: 45
            +2
            Quote: Maverick78
            Regarding the last paragraph. I am Russian, I am Ukrainian (born and raised on a land called Ukraine), but not a descendant of ancient ukrov). I’m smart and handsome, I’m not going to burst)) I’m not asking myself for brothers (my relatives and I don’t have much time to even talk normally) And I don’t know how to be offended (I haven’t learned how for almost 40 years) What can I do with all this?

            - The main thing, but the thing, the thing, where to put it? !!! laughing
            I don’t know what the argument is about))). Do Russians lack brothers? Or is there no middle ground? That is why it is so - or are we fierce enemies, or are we brothers nowhere closer? But to be friends or just good neighbors - no way? A good neighbor is better than a distant relative - this is a Russian proverb based on everyday observation, isn't it? To summarize a freebie for the whole people is somehow not very smart either.
            As far as I understand Putin's policy towards Ukraine, he was not going to either annex or close the Ukraine project. He recognized this state, recognized all its rights, and in the duties of Ukraine he simply asked that the Black Sea Fleet of Russia could use Crimea and Ukraine as a whole be a good neighbor, that is, to maintain neutrality and not think about any NATO. This is all, it is not difficult to accomplish. Kazakhstan is doing all this - and there are no problems. Yes that Kazakhstan - the same Finland only recently began to move away from neutrality, and before that it was in neutrality - and lived like Christ's in the bosom! And the forest almost broke off for free, and all the other nishtyaki! The Ukrainians themselves did not want to do this, they wanted to go to Europe, although this automatically meant the loss of Ukraine's neutrality.
            And now, when the business has been heaped up, when it is becoming clearer and clearer that you can’t build a good life in hostility with Russia, you can only fix one. Do not immediately fraternize, try to begin to return to the idea of ​​neutrality. The law on non-aligned Ukraine and the law on the Russian language in Ukraine as a first step will already greatly improve the situation. Removing the embargo on deliveries of military-technical cooperation to Russia, expelling the CIA from the third floor of the SBU, restricting Nazi Germany’s symbolism ... Nothing cosmic, nothing complicated and nothing humiliating. And this will already lead to a sharp decrease in gas, detente in relations with Novorossia and a sharp improvement in the economic situation. This can be seen with the naked eye. But you are stubborn and are still staring at Europe. Yes, she does not help, she needed Ukraine as a sales market, nothing more, and even more as a convenient hole for penetrating the Russian market
            1. Suhow
              Suhow 23 July 2016 23: 26
              0
              Europe also needs Europe as cannon fodder that can weaken the Russian Federation and then simply forget ... Recently, I think that the situation in 2014 was created by partners for an open clash between Ukraine and Russia, but it didn’t add up ...
      2. revnagan
        revnagan 21 July 2016 13: 10
        -2
        Quote: Observer 33
        Wait further, Xi Jin Ping better wait

        If he comes, it is only through you ...
        1. zak
          zak 22 July 2016 20: 32
          0
          if he comes through us, then he will have nothing to do with you.
    4. Monos
      Monos 21 July 2016 09: 10
      +14
      Let's be honest: it was Putin who began to restore order in Russia. In fact, in one sting. Yes, we envy you, generally, the devil knows how, and in Russia a lot of people zafigachit, but let's be honest: without a bright head and a strong hand upstairs, nothing would have happened


      Honestly, speak? Well, let's be honest.

      Say: "Putin is one person." ? No guys. This doesn't happen. Neither Peter I, nor Stalin, nor Putin, nor anyone else alone can turn a state like Russia upside down. One cannot break the system. The head will be quickly unscrewed.
      Leader, leader must be brought up by the people. The people give birth, educate and nominate their leader. What is the will of the people, such is the leader. PUTIN SHOULD BE SERVED! If the people are impotent and their will is to have everything on a silver platter, and for nothing, for beautiful eyes, then their leader will piss into those very eyes.
      And you begin to hate Europe precisely because it did not give you anything for beautiful eyes. Well, Europe is not used to giving for nothing! And you hate Russia for the fact that Russia has ceased to give you just like that.
      So, dear Ukrainians, you continue to sit in minks and wait for someone to solve your problems for you. Teach your children to love Bandera, to hate Russians, to ride, beg, and wait. And we will somehow survive your dislike.
      1. Eragon
        Eragon 21 July 2016 10: 38
        +4
        Quote: Monos
        Neither Peter I, nor Stalin, nor Putin, nor anyone else alone such a state as Russia will not overturn.

        I agree, but these people were able to create a group of like-minded people around them, with abilities much higher than average and already relying on them to do what they did. By the way, I would not put Putin on a par with Stalin or Peter I - the past has already appreciated the past, but Putin’s affairs are still being completed and the outcome is still unclear.
        Quote: Monos
        . The people give birth, educate and nominate their leader.

        And here you are wrong. The people do not bring up and nominate anyone. This is from the people, due to the prevailing political, economic, social conditions, leaders are born and nominated.
        1. 97110
          97110 21 July 2016 20: 06
          +2
          Quote: Eragon
          The people do not bring up and nominate anyone. This is from the people, due to the prevailing political, economic, social conditions, leaders are born and nominated.

          What really born themselves? And no one, no one pulls the head, does not cut the umbilical cord?
      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL 21 July 2016 14: 18
        +1
        Quote: Monos
        So, dear Ukrainians, you continue to sit in minks and wait for someone to solve your problems for you. Teach your children to love Bandera, to hate Russians, to ride, beg, and wait. And we will somehow survive your dislike.

        In St. Petersburg, Mannerheim’s board was removed ...
        A weak On the street Stepan Bandera demolish? or at least a nameplate ...
        1. Suhow
          Suhow 23 July 2016 23: 45
          0
          We already have a certain service that grazes the SBU, so I can't answer your question about removing the boards, but what does the street have to do with it? and the inhabitants of these streets, by no means all voted not for this hero, but also in principle. An institute of the type of national memory has appeared here and they carry nonsense for the sake of the current conditions, and the opinions of the same residents, since yes, yes, you can click as much as necessary. Find the still and ardently supportive grandmother.
    5. Eragon
      Eragon 21 July 2016 09: 34
      +12
      Quote: Riv
      And Putin has absolutely nothing to do with it.

      What does Putin have to do with it?
      The author, mentioning Putin, simply reminds us (or for someone he shares his "revelation") the old truth - history is ALWAYS moved not by peoples, but by individuals, those who are later called leaders. This all went through the school.
      Cromwell, Napoleon, Roosevelt, Lenin, Napoleon, Genghis Khan, Peter I, Stalin, Macedonian, Hitler and many others were not afraid to take responsibility, had the ability to make of a generally amorphous mass called people, a force that twirling the story as they needed. And without a leader there will be ... well, look at Ukraine - not the brightest, but the closest example.
      1. SergeBS
        SergeBS 21 July 2016 23: 53
        +2
        Quote: Eragon
        The author, mentioning Putin, simply reminds us (or for someone shares his "revelation") the old truth - history is ALWAYS moved not by peoples, but by individuals,

        Oh well. Hello, exam. Otherwise, I just can’t comment.
        No super-duper person simply can raise the population to implement their super-duper plans, if this population is not mature enough. Read the classics. Like "The Role of the Personality in History," something like that. And at the same time - about successful politicians. Were they kind of successful as charismatic PERSONS? laughing
        "On the fingers": a politician is successful if he at least pretends to solve the most painful problems of the country's population. Not a single country "for some reason" fell into the power of politicians who promised "to strain everyone so that veins will burst in order to earn a crust of bread." The same Hitler came to power on the NATIONAL idea of ​​REVANCE of Germany, robbed as a result of the 1st World War. For instance.
    6. Antiprogressor
      Antiprogressor 21 July 2016 09: 58
      +8
      And we have a quiet underground work of people from the CIA and the State Department. Coups are dangerous because they are carried out by a handful of people who, for the time being, no one takes seriously. And Russia will not do anything against the capital. So subversive activities are being conducted mainly in the capitals. Bohemians, "elites" - the fifth column. Corrupt officials who, after resignation, go to live in London. Their children are studying abroad. And everyone unanimously scolds both Putin and the people ... In general, we need to be more vigilant. And then the races on daddy's cars suit, And the dads know the safety of the country and think at what moment to sell their homeland more expensive.
    7. meriem1
      meriem1 21 July 2016 10: 56
      +3
      Quote: Riv
      And after is not easy. When the government will need to be built. Whom? For whom? For Yanukovych? No, guys, you leave all who fell to you at your place. And Yanyka, and Azarov, and Tsarev. For them, no one will substitute the head for bullets and batons already. But the most important question is who ...

      And after is not easy. When the government will need to be built. Whom? For whom? For Yanukovych? No, guys, you leave all who fell to you at your place. And Yanyka, and Azarov, and Tsarev. For them, no one will substitute the head for bullets and batons already. But the most important question is who ...

      And this speech is worth a lot !! For them, the campaign needs to be done ???? Not really. Passed!
    8. Svyatoslavich
      Svyatoslavich 21 July 2016 13: 11
      +1
      So all the same "Russians" or "Ukrainians"? Guys, you’ll decide, otherwise if you sit on two chairs, your ass will crack.
      And Putin has absolutely nothing to do with it.


      Once I clicked on the "minus" ... and immediately: +3!
      How's that?
      Now +41 and does not change!
      Long does not change!
      It does not change at all!
      Who cares about this opinion ?!
    9. ver_
      ver_ 21 July 2016 13: 15
      +2
      ..the ass will not crack, but it can be known to nip the ass, and if without the bottom, the pricks can suffer and the neighbors will run away, well, if they are not Ukrainians, of course, my hut from the edge ...
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  4. venaya
    venaya 21 July 2016 06: 11
    0
    In Kiev, 30-40% of the minimum of those who are called "separatists"

    They’re not correctly called “separatists”, in my opinion they’re true united, that is, they unite all of Russia with its outskirts into a single whole. In Ukraine, there are Ukrainians from the outskirts of Rus, and there are also Ukrainians from the outskirts of other continents, for example, Africa, America, etc. these are Ukrainians from different suburbs, and this must not be forgotten when defining the concept of "separatists" - in the principle of the illiterate.
  5. 1536
    1536 21 July 2016 06: 18
    +15
    "... without a bright head and a strong hand at the top, nothing would have worked for you. Or it has worked out, but like us."

    Bullshit is written! As they were provincials, they remained, even a place in the UN, even a clap on the shoulder from Biden, at least ... Merkel in a dream. But there is only one end - to earn money in the USA, Canada, Europe, and Russia in Russia by deceiving Russian citizens. Territory in burial grounds, NATO bases, genetically modified crops, dying people. Take you away from us, she’s more!
    1. Pre-cat
      Pre-cat 21 July 2016 07: 12
      +8
      Strongly metropolitan guest? Here, in Russia, too, most people will prefer to do security and family support. Unless of course not ideas и the leader which they will follow.
      1. 34 region
        34 region 21 July 2016 08: 02
        +16
        The cat is half-educated! 07.12/XNUMX. Why undereducated with one en? I agree about the idea and the leader. As an example for the outskirts, this is Akhmad Kadyrov. Another example is Dzhokhar Dudaev. Both are leaders. Dudaev is essentially like Poroshenko. He danced to the tune of someone else, although a military officer. You can relate to the Chechens as you like, but! After all, Kadyrov was the eldest! Follow him! Are there Kadyrov-level leaders on the outskirts? Kadyrov sold to Russia? And to whom did Dudaev sell? And Poroshenko? Well, who on the outskirts of Russia sold out? Romantic Strelkov tried to gather resistance under his banner. He turned out to be not his own, not Ukrainian. About the idea. Judging by the Maidan, there was an idea to live for free. A freebie happens only in a mousetrap. Therefore, I agree with an unknown author, it is necessary to get sick to vomit.
  6. Lazy ozzy
    Lazy ozzy 21 July 2016 06: 20
    -6
    "Russian Ukrainians" - who is this?
    But to be honest, I did not even read the article. The author correct something in my head.
    1. NikolaiN
      NikolaiN 21 July 2016 08: 39
      +15
      Probably these are citizens of Ukraine, Russians by nationality ...
      Here I am, for example, a Russian Kazakhstani.
      1. 1536
        1536 21 July 2016 13: 52
        +4
        Yes, it's not about nationality. In this journalism it is written that the Russians in Ukraine survive, they are not up to politics. They are waiting. What? The first cavalry army or the first red officer who can stand up for them? And others, Ukrainians, Hungarians, Poles, Hutsuls, Jews, are they good or something? Are they already waiting for nothing, or are they waiting for it to be arranged as a security guard in a concentration camp? Gold crowns are out of fashion now. Therefore, in concentration camps you will not earn much. What are they hoping for?
        Ukraine is practically occupied by the Americans and Germans. They do not need the people living in Ukraine in any form and under no sauce whatsoever. In the West, there are a lot of techniques for how to reduce the population of a country or region to zero reproduction, and then just wait until it dies out and can no longer control its territory and its country (simple examples with Indians or blacks in Harlem). The Germans are also great masters in this regard.
        And no one has this understanding in Ukraine: neither Russians nor non-Russians. Anyone who has an understanding, he sits under the bombs in the DNI and LC. Or separated as Crimeans.
    2. Eragon
      Eragon 21 July 2016 10: 23
      +7
      Quote: LazyOzzy
      "Russian Ukrainians" - who is this?
      But to be honest, I did not even read the article. The author correct something in my head.

      I'm correcting. You.
      He was born and lived in Ukraine before 19, studied and served in Belarus and Russia, I live in Belarus, nationality is Russian, I write, read, and speak fluent 3 languages. So understandable?
  7. VSZMK
    VSZMK 21 July 2016 06: 21
    +1
    five years later (God forbid), Russian troops and the troops of Donbass will be met with bread and salt here.
    Note the time!
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 21 July 2016 07: 11
      +30
      Quote: VSZMK
      five years later (God forbid), Russian troops and the troops of Donbass will be met with bread and salt here.
      Note the time!

      We notice.
      But judging by the excerpt from the article, Russia is now an enemy for Ukrainians. And this is not refuted in the article.
      But in five years or maybe more, when everything in Ukraine will be plundered and sold by the current government, when salaries will not be paid from the word at all, and the people will finally become impoverished, then THEN they will meet Russians with bread and salt, if he, bread, still will be. Interesting logic.
      To paraphrase the saying, we can say- The path to the consciousness of the Ukrainian lies through his stomach.
      Question- And in about five years or more, who will restore it all in Ukraine? Again Russia? What would then be again deceived, as it is now?
      Or maybe Russia doesn’t need such bread salt ???? Friendship between nations is somehow one-sided.
      1. berezin1987
        berezin1987 21 July 2016 07: 23
        +8
        That's it. What for we need them. If you wanted to go to geyrope, eat it. Close the border (or better, mine it), break ANY relationship, expel all the gaster and forget such a "brotherhood" as a bad dream. Let the non-brothers devour each other for another hundred years. The only thing is to help those Russians who would like to leave Ukraine.
        1. Kos_kalinki9
          Kos_kalinki9 21 July 2016 07: 41
          +6
          Why did the brothers cave in under the brothers ???
          Or maybe precisely because - my hut is on the edge? And after that they are brothers to us ??? Or "brothers" again became brothers to us after seeing what the West has prepared for them?
          All the same, an interesting country - the outskirts.
      2. 34 region
        34 region 21 July 2016 08: 11
        +11
        07.11/XNUMX. You go to the bath with English nicknames on Russian sites! I do not accept and do not digest these perversions. About the logic. You can certainly give the outskirts of the West. And what will we have from this? What is our gain or sorrow? Will the West rebuild the outskirts? And why doesn’t he restore the countries of the Warsaw block, Afghanistan, Iraq? There will be a criminal state on the outskirts. What is the benefit to us? I'm not talking about growing drugs.
        1. berezin1987
          berezin1987 21 July 2016 08: 32
          0
          The criminal state is not a big threat. Such an education cannot be strong by definition, it is far from the Third Reich. The Germans had a scientific and industrial potential, a powerful ideology with the idea of ​​the greatness of the nation.
          1. 34 region
            34 region 21 July 2016 08: 49
            +6
            Berezin1987! 08.32. The Third Reich had an ideology about the greatness of the nation! On the outskirts, one to one! About industrial potential. Judging by recent conflicts, management has come to a conclusion. To weaken the countries of competitors and their neighbors, it is more profitable (not more expensive) to have a technologically underdeveloped (located at a lower technological level) country. In terms of technology, a criminal country poses no threat. But in terms of creating tension, the threat is very! A poor population allows for pennies to recruit new gang members. Such a modern criminal slavery.
            1. berezin1987
              berezin1987 21 July 2016 08: 57
              +2
              The ideology of the Germans was reinforced by the country's potential, and these simply will die out or scatter in 30-40 years. There will be no more than 15 millions of them by the 50 year, which is an instant by the standards of history. Do not bother them.
              1. revnagan
                revnagan 21 July 2016 13: 20
                +5
                Quote: berezin1987
                The ideology of the Germans was supported by the country's potential,

                What potential of Germany are we talking about in 1933? You at least read Remarque. Wild unemployment, inflation, stagnation of the economy ... The whole potential of Germany 19330-Nazi ideology and "Fuhrer". How did Nazism come to power, the "golden shower" "from the Anglo-Saxons and Zionists! Because the" Fuhrer "clearly indicated the goal of the struggle against the Bolsheviks in the East. That's the whole" potential "! Why do you consider this option impossible in Ukraine (under the very heart of Russia)?
                1. berezin1987
                  berezin1987 21 July 2016 15: 15
                  0
                  The Germans are a disciplined people with a developed scientific school and a high production culture. In addition, they do not have such a craving for a freebie and theft as proto-ukrov. The non-brothers are able to work only from under the stick, and for this a tough charismatic personality is necessary, at the head of the level of Stalin, Hitler or Mussolini. Lyashko and PARASHA do not pull in place of Mussolini.
          2. weksha50
            weksha50 21 July 2016 13: 42
            +1
            Quote: berezin1987
            The Germans had a scientific and industrial potential, powerful ideology with the idea of ​​the greatness of a nation.


            Ukraine also had a powerful scientific, economic and industrial potential ...
            About ... yelling ... Or - differently - galloped ...

            But on the idea of ​​greatness, they overtook the Germans ... They didn’t even stutter that they had dug up the Baltic Sea ... And the Atlantic (and the Pacific, with the help of the Japanese allies) was very realistically controlled ...
            1. berezin1987
              berezin1987 21 July 2016 15: 20
              +2
              The keyword WAS. Ukraine today is a poor agrarian state with a poor embittered population. Their limit is an African-style dictatorship with fierce self-drinking of its own population. On the Reich does not pull, only to Liberia.
        2. Peasant
          Peasant 21 July 2016 08: 46
          +12
          And what's the point of pumping Russian funds there? We have that its production has reached exorbitant values ​​and heights?
          Well swell so what? We will rebuild factories and establish cooperation. Everything will be peace, labor, chewing gum. And until what point? Until the next aunt of nulands with buns arrives? And then again the pots on the boshki and on the Maidan to jump? M o with a l to y at a dime, and all the cooperation, again import substitution. Don't you think that we have all gone through this before? Do you say that the West will not be invested? That's nice. In tattered trousers and a cold hut on an empty stomach (I exaggerate of course) it will reach faster. So, IMHO, the Okraintse brothers themselves, themselves. Nobody intends to work for you. A free cheese, he is only in a mousetrap.
        3. weksha50
          weksha50 21 July 2016 13: 39
          +4
          Quote: Region 34
          You can certainly give the outskirts of the West. And what will we have from this? What is our gain or sorrow? Will the West rebuild the outskirts?


          Speech about it, thank God, our President doesn’t talk about it ...
          It’s impossible to give ... But, as I understand it, HE wants the Ukrainians to deal with their masturbates, build a normal and (!!!) friendly state towards Russia (not necessarily pro-Russian, we don’t need to love us, we don’t we ask), which will be with Russia in normal trade, economic and scientific-technical relations ...

          But - again - let it do their own handsand not with Russian bayonets and Russian blood !!!
        4. CONTROL
          CONTROL 21 July 2016 14: 43
          0
          Quote: 34 region
          07.11/XNUMX. You go to the bath with English nicknames on Russian sites! I do not accept and do not digest these perversions.

          And registration does not hurt and gives others! choose what is left ... Tyrnet - he’s bo-o-o-lshy!
          Quote: 34 region
          About the logic. You can certainly give the outskirts of the West. And what will we have from this? What is our gain or sorrow? Will the West rebuild the outskirts? And why doesn’t he restore the countries of the Warsaw block, Afghanistan, Iraq? There will be a criminal state on the outskirts. What is the benefit to us? I'm not talking about growing drugs.

          ... you can add to the excitement of Georgia funded (that’s when we caught up with a tie-eater ...), littered with the Baltic states ... by the Jews (the relatives live there - it’s not at all poor and with good money, but it’s already ticking ...). ..
      3. NikolaiN
        NikolaiN 21 July 2016 09: 27
        +6
        Quote: Kos_kalinki9
        Question- And in about five years or more, who will restore it all in Ukraine? Again Russia? What would then be again deceived, as it is now?

        Yes, there is no need to restore, why again on the same "rake". Provide moral support, conclude MUTUAL BENEFICIAL contracts and "herself, herself, herself ...". They can do it themselves, if they want, and where to go then ...
      4. bk316
        bk316 21 July 2016 13: 33
        +5
        Quote: Kos_kalinki9
        Interesting logic.

        Yes, understandable logic, this logic here sounds all the time.
        Even those who dislike ukrohunta still blame Russia (they didn’t give weapons, they didn’t send troops) and at the same time they are waiting for Russia to give them everything.
        And of course yes, it is Russia that will have to restore it all.

        This logic is called dependent logic (everyone around should and is to blame). But the same logic applies to Europe. And when the dependent logic does not work (well, they don’t give lace panties), it turns into the logic of the slave (what you please).

        And after all, what really infuriates me is the same people: Russia - help us, we are Russian, Europe - help us, we are not Russian.
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    2. larand
      larand 21 July 2016 07: 29
      +21
      Quote: VSZMK
      five years later (God forbid), Russian troops and the troops of Donbass will be met with bread and salt here.
      Note the time!

      Do we need it? Already met, and now the monuments to those whom they met demolished or spoiled. Will they sit mink and wait for Vanya with a gun? Yes, all dill is not worth the life of one Vanya.
      1. berezin1987
        berezin1987 21 July 2016 07: 36
        +2
        That's for sure. Banana republic without bananas.
    3. vovanpain
      vovanpain 21 July 2016 07: 37
      +14
      Quote: VSZMK
      Time

      Spotted.
      Quote: Kos_kalinki9
      But in five years or maybe more, when everything in Ukraine will be plundered and sold by the current government,

      It took Russia 10 years to throw the drunk Boris, how much Ukraine needs, God alone knows.
      Or maybe you share Putin?

      We will not share, Ukraine needs to raise or seek its own Putin, and we criticize ours not only that he is Putin, but that he is little Putin, you can and should and still respond to all kinds of Western "partners" and the people will always support.
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 21 July 2016 07: 52
        +6
        vovanpain (7)
        Quote: Kos_kalinki9
        But in five years or maybe more, when everything in Ukraine will be plundered and sold by the current government,
        It took Russia 10 years to throw the drunk Boris, how much Ukraine needs, God alone knows.

        He took the term of five years from the text of the article, and even threw an indefinite number of years.
        No one knows how long this catavasia will last. Neither God, nor Allah.
      2. bk316
        bk316 21 July 2016 13: 36
        +3
        Quote: vovanpain
        We criticize not that he is Putin, but that he is a little Putin,

        +100500
    4. CONTROL
      CONTROL 21 July 2016 14: 34
      +1
      Quote: VSZMK
      five years later (God forbid), Russian troops and the troops of Donbass will be met with bread and salt here.

      ... which Russian troops will bring with them?
      In common parlance, this is called: "nipple system - blow there, from there -..."
      ... admins banned? ...
  8. Demo
    Demo 21 July 2016 06: 27
    +14
    Thank you for the article .... Thank God not everyone is crazy in Ukraine! Guys, we all understand .. you stay there and do not stick out much .. You still have to restore Ukraine ....
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 21 July 2016 06: 41
      +3
      Support!
    2. berezin1987
      berezin1987 21 July 2016 07: 28
      +3
      Just don't let them howl "Help Russia!" Residents of the country of the victorious Euromaidan must go through AD, trying to rectify the situation. The standard of living in Bangladesh should seem like an unattainable dream to them.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 21 July 2016 08: 06
        +7
        Quote: berezin1987
        Residents of the country that won the Euromaidan must go through Hell,

        Ek, you all send to hell all the way! Have you read the article carefully?
        1. ruskih
          ruskih 21 July 2016 08: 59
          +7
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: berezin1987
          Residents of the country that won the Euromaidan must go through Hell,

          Ek, you all send to hell all the way! Have you read the article carefully?

          And why read, the main thing is to leave an "angry" comment.
          The article is about ordinary people, and not about those who flash on the screens.
          Article clearly +
          1. Peasant
            Peasant 21 July 2016 09: 28
            +7
            The article is about ordinary people, and not about those who flash on the screens.

            Question-And who brought to power those people who flicker on the screens? As far as I recall, personally, Avakov with Turchinov did not throw Molotov cocktails in Berkut on the Maidan. Yes, and in Odessa, only the sizzling paruby lighted up indirectly. And just ordinary people jumped and rode on the Maidan, and in other places. Or were only members of the supreme leadership participating in torchlight processions in kuev?
            Not everything there is unambiguous about the "ordinary" people.
            1. ruskih
              ruskih 21 July 2016 10: 14
              +5
              Take a look around you. Are ordinary people with the same views living next to you? Or maybe everyone is different? You can not all fit in one comb.
              This evil spider does not apply to ordinary people. We saw it with TV, or did you personally see it?
            2. gorozhanka74
              gorozhanka74 21 July 2016 16: 24
              +4
              I’ll add - and the mothers sent the sons of Donbass to kill, and not with a humanitarian mission ... and then screamed not against the war, but about the bad shape and lack of weapons ...
              ..so what about "ordinary" people? ...
              1. ruskih
                ruskih 21 July 2016 16: 58
                +1
                Quote: gorozhanka74
                I’ll add - and the mothers sent the sons of Donbass to kill, and not with a humanitarian mission ... and then screamed not against the war, but about the bad shape and lack of weapons ...
                ..so what about "ordinary" people? ...

                But didn’t you show any of the military registration and enlistment offices that mothers were getting carbons on the outskirts of the village and were not allowed into the villages? It’s strange.
                1. 97110
                  97110 21 July 2016 20: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: ruskih
                  But didn’t you show any of the military registration and enlistment offices that mothers were getting carbons on the outskirts of the village and were not allowed into the villages?

                  Have shown. The lads had to go to work in Russia, they had already hired a bus, and here ... Only the speech in the article is not about the Galicians, but about the Russians. Which are joyfully to kill separatists. With thoughts of "America is with us!" and "America is rich, we'll get paid!"
                  1. ruskih
                    ruskih 21 July 2016 21: 38
                    -2
                    Quote: 97110
                    Quote: ruskih
                    But didn’t you show any of the military registration and enlistment offices that mothers were getting carbons on the outskirts of the village and were not allowed into the villages?

                    Have shown. The lads had to go to work in Russia, they had already hired a bus, and here ... Only the speech in the article is not about the Galicians, but about the Russians. Which are joyfully to kill separatists. With thoughts of "America is with us!" and "America is rich, we'll get paid!"

                    And I did not write about the Galicians. request
          2. ver_
            ver_ 21 July 2016 09: 43
            +4
            The owner will not "chop" the SWANES to please the mattress covers ..
            Hollyavshchiki. "I ate everything, about ... l, spent on drink - there was a goal left ..., oops, oops beauty Europe .."
            From the plague hut, but to Europe? And why the hell is the beauty of Europe a bare-headed drunk with a crest on his head without a Tsar in his head and pennies in holey underwear ..
            1. Peasant
              Peasant 21 July 2016 10: 10
              0
              I’ve directly listed all the advantages of Svidomo, you’ll read out, I just want to add after Ipodnikov- who does not want to work and is waiting for a Halyavy!
              1. ruskih
                ruskih 21 July 2016 10: 21
                +2
                Oh yes, boys. Bravo! You about Thomas, and you are all about Yeryoma.
        2. V.ic
          V.ic 21 July 2016 10: 55
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Ek, you all send to hell all the way!

          Would you call Russia in the 90s "paradise"?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 21 July 2016 19: 09
            +1
            Quote: V.ic
            Would you call Russia in the 90s "paradise"?

            In Ukraine, the 90s were also. As in Belarus. The results are obvious. hi
            1. V.ic
              V.ic 21 July 2016 20: 55
              +2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              In Ukraine, the 90s were also. As in Belarus. The results are obvious.

              Don't tell me, don't tell me ... They didn't have any "advice" scams. Shootings and tanks of buildings with legally elected people's deputies. City assaults on the eve of the New Year. Fake elections. Impudent plundering of a foreign loan, like we did in 1998. They didn't have much.
    3. weksha50
      weksha50 21 July 2016 13: 47
      +1
      Quote: Demo
      you hold on there and do not stick out much.


      A little bit wrong Nick read ... I thought, indeed, Dimon from iPhone to VO arrived ...

      PS Broadened, but - by God - good-naturedly, no offense ... laughing hi
  9. sgazeev
    sgazeev 21 July 2016 06: 50
    +8
    Confusion. Since 2014, I have been trying to find alternative information to my acquaintances, but my daughter "says that there are Russian troops in the Donbass" and basta, the wall is not understanding. Time will show who is right and who is not.
    1. Svyatoslavich
      Svyatoslavich 21 July 2016 13: 15
      -1
      "says that Russian troops are in the Donbas"
      In Russia many say so.
      What can we say about Ukraine?
  10. Scud
    Scud 21 July 2016 06: 51
    +7
    Indeed, the article is, to put it mildly, controversial. The author understands everything and the goals are clear. If the author wrote the article in the form of a discussion, this would give readers the opportunity to make corrections, and so Roman mustache is as clear as day.
    That fascist power in dill with the support of AI will destroy everything and everyone for their survival, and this is a direct path to the complete collapse of the outskirts.
  11. Ivan65
    Ivan65 21 July 2016 06: 54
    +4
    Sometime and somewhere, someone conducted an experiment - they put them to small and smart monkeys (tests were passed at a time) a monkey of the same design, but dull, but physically strong and aggressive. After a very short time, the smart monkeys, crushed by an aggressive and strong monkey, became stupid (most of the tests did not pass). I hope that this experience of Western "partners" will not end successfully in Ukraine .....
  12. Andrew
    Andrew 21 July 2016 06: 56
    +6
    Thanks to Roman for the article, journalism of this kind is very lacking ... hi
  13. Pre-cat
    Pre-cat 21 July 2016 07: 08
    +9
    Correctly the person wrote. One people, without a normal leader, will not create anything but a universal mess. Each person has his own options for action, and only a leader can unite and turn a heterogeneous crowd into a single whole that can fulfill its tasks.
  14. inkass_98
    inkass_98 21 July 2016 07: 21
    +18
    Roman, I don’t have to convince me, I live with my own head and look at the world with my own eyes, I’m not embarrassed of my opinions. For every occasion, I have neither the desire nor the time to speak out, I comment quite rarely and only what seems to me quite important or interesting.
    You didn’t quite rightly understand me, apparently, from here and so much pathos, even for the whole article. I am by no means an apologist for Dzygovbrodsky, he has enough nonsense, I am a supporter of the need to listen to different opinions, including him. You take into account the opinions of Rogers, Ishchenko, Vajra and many other emigrants, but the same Nevsky was very actively manifested here at the beginning of his epic with the move and spoke out quite radically. And everyone can be understood, but not everyone can be forgiven (do not consider it a transition to personalities, I generalize this).
    My reference to Dzygovbrodsky’s articles was cited as a very concrete example in response to a very specific article, and by no means as a global generalization.
    And, God forbid, I never tried to attack Egoza, Kars and other colleagues from second-hand territory, especially since I deeply respect these comrades. And I perfectly understand how hard it is for people to live with their heads and their own opinions in the realities of the current Ruin, and therefore I never "run into" adequate readers of VOs with a zhovto-blakitny flag, it would be at least indelicate on my part.
    Since the resource here is polemical, let me stay with my opinion and occasionally express it. I have no time for articles, as I have already indicated above, but at least in this way I will speak out. hi
  15. parusnik
    parusnik 21 July 2016 07: 33
    +2
    Thank you, I’m glad .. there was still technical staff in the madhouse ... It’s a pity there are no doctors and orderlies yet ..
  16. sevtrash
    sevtrash 21 July 2016 07: 55
    +6
    Ukraine has been and remains one of the places of confrontation between Russia and the United States. In this field now, on the whole, the Americans are winning, Ukraine is actually under their control, and the creation of the image of the enemy is in full swing.
    A large part of the population is biomass (as one of the politicians put it), inert and inactive, which needs to be cultivated and yet nothing can be gained from the bulk of the mass. Although, sometimes, this is just important.
    There is one important point - for a more or less active part of the population. Where is the future for them, their children, the state, in the end, in which they live. In the West or in the East? Well, probably, where the image / quality of life of people of the same circle seems to be a model.
    The other side is the confrontation between Russia and the USA. Apparently, the Americans are going to ruin Russia, how the USSR collapsed, how Libya, Iraq collapsed. Of course, so far from the inside, but it is clear that they are on this path. But the economy is primary.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 21 July 2016 09: 02
      +7
      However, the standard of living in our country and in Matrasia is worth comparing. According to the Big Mac coefficient, the cost of living in Russia and the United States has a coefficient of 2.5 from the dollar exchange rate. Roughly speaking, we translate our salary into "green", multiply by a coefficient, and compare. And it turns out that it’s not so poor. And they live there rather gloomy. I know, I've been, talked. There are not many millionaires there. But there are tens of thousands of times more people who are VERY limited in their means, living in squalid apartments with no chance of breaking out of this circle. And in small towns in the American outback - there is generally CARAUL! Hopelessness.
      1. sevtrash
        sevtrash 21 July 2016 10: 00
        +3
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        But people VERY limited in funds living in squalid apartments without a chance to break out of this circle - tens of thousands of times more. And in small towns in the American outback - there is generally KARAUL! Hopelessness.

        Everything is relative.
  17. Aleksander
    Aleksander 21 July 2016 07: 59
    +3
    A reasonable view of things and understandable.
    The only thing I don’t agree with is that Russian Kharkov would have met Russian soldiers today with assault rifles: Kharkov occupied by the Nazis was also officially vehemently against Russia and that: did someone shoot in the back? No, they were greeted with flowers, and several miserable hundreds (even thousands) of servants who allegedly determined the mood and face of the city were caught by the townspeople themselves and punished.
  18. APASUS
    APASUS 21 July 2016 08: 04
    +8
    The Russians were able to find a common language with the Germans and will eventually find with the Ukrainians, while it is worth considering that these are two branches of the same people.
    It’s hard now in Ukraine, hard in psychological terms, I know from my brothers that you can consider them moderately stubborn. First you need to listen to a lecture on expensive Russian gas and oil, unbelievable communal prices and only then comes the real meaning. They all understand quite well, but I think 90 percent is still a victim of propaganda, when you’ve been brainwashed for 20 years, even people who grew up in the USSR and got an education there begin to doubt.
    So my brothers want to be deceived.
    I try to use a little rule in life:
    ANDREW CARNEGI: “WITH AGE I STARTED TO PAY LESS ATTENTION TO WHAT PEOPLE SAY. I AM LOOKING AT WHAT THEY DO ”
    1. berezin1987
      berezin1987 21 July 2016 08: 16
      +17
      We also had relatives in Ukraine. In response to congratulations on his birthday, accusations and accusations against his mother rained down. Then they tried to apologize, referred to emotions, but they were clearly sent by me ... I am grateful to the Maidan for taking off all the masks and showing who is who in fact. Such relatives are not needed for nothing.
  19. Chak
    Chak 21 July 2016 08: 05
    +5
    The article is definitely a PLUS, but I do not agree with one passage: about the state of Ukraine and the people of Ukraine - this is a little too much. No need to casually remove tracing paper from Germany. Excuse me, of course, but I don't know what the "people of Ukraine" are, and even more so what kind of state Ukraine is, that is. country U ... There are Russians, and there are those who broke away from them (us) - i.e. separatists. It is from this angle that this malignant neoplasm (country U) on the body of Russia should be viewed.
    1. atos_kin
      atos_kin 21 July 2016 08: 59
      +1
      I also think that the words of Comrade Stalin are given in the article out of place. Such comparisons inadvertently “ignite” and support in the minds of “Svidomites” thoughts about the historical significance of Ukrainians and their statehood. Comrade Stalin knew history very well and would never talk about the people of the invented state. But, surprisingly, without him there would have been no political or economic development of this territory of Soviet Ukraine, which is now being so thoughtlessly destroyed by the "Svidomites" themselves.
      1. Scud
        Scud 21 July 2016 10: 39
        0
        It seems these words of Stalin were spoken not 42 but 45.
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 21 July 2016 11: 00
          +2
          Quote: scud
          It seems these words of Stalin were spoken not 42 but 45.

          When "it seems", then cross yourself, the author is no more stupid than you, typed the search words in the search line and received a link to Order of the People's Commissar of Defense on February 23, 1942, No. 55.
          1. Scud
            Scud 21 July 2016 13: 48
            0
            Guilty, I’ll correct it.
      2. Scud
        Scud 21 July 2016 10: 39
        0
        It seems these words of Stalin were spoken not 42 but 45.
  20. vmo
    vmo 21 July 2016 08: 05
    +5
    Everything is as usual, someone should do for Ukrainians !! But not the maydanuts themselves !!
  21. avia12005
    avia12005 21 July 2016 08: 41
    +6
    Remember the history of the partisan movement in the Great Patriotic War. And all at once it will become clear. Until Ukraine’s support from Russia is on the ground, it will remain under occupation. Infinitely. Another question: does Russia need this? As long as there is no answer, there will be no result.
  22. then
    then 21 July 2016 08: 46
    +2
    The idea is basically correct, for a popular uprising you need an organization, a program, a leader. But on the other hand, we need the masses, who have nothing to lose acre of their chains. In the meantime, everyone values ​​his own life and expects that someone will solve their problems for them ... In the metropolis, they are not fools either, read their manuals. Ukrainians will not be allowed to die of starvation right away, so they will slowly die out themselves.
  23. Smoked
    Smoked 21 July 2016 08: 48
    +9
    I do not believe you anymore, gentlemen, Ukrainian hatskrayniki. I saw not only a video about a crucified boy, but real children killed in the Donbass, their mothers and fathers. I do not believe you anymore.
    1. Dryuya2
      Dryuya2 21 July 2016 09: 51
      +7
      Quote: Smoked
      and real children killed in the Donbass, their mothers and fathers.

      read the article.
      - there was sympathy, but brainwashing and I think not sickly,
      if Poroshenko runs around Europe constantly "screaming" it is Russia to blame for everything, and I can't even imagine what happens in 404
      request when almost all mainstream media "pour" one and the same "Russian waxes in the Donbass", tank divisions, etc. etc. - not everyone can withstand such propaganda
      and here bam !!! Denis comment good
      as if a bucket of ice water was poured
      I’ll just add a little, and who shelled schools and kindergartens?
      to say that it is not necessary to be drunk - for some reason drunken "artillerymen" at the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not particularly shoot request
      how many killed civilians from such shelling?
  24. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 July 2016 08: 51
    +6
    My friends from Maidania moved their business from Kharkov to Belgorod. But they held considerable positions in the Kharkov Physicotechnical Institute. It's sad. Science ended in Maidania. And the educational process in higher education is dying. Well, there are no terms in the Ukrainian language that allow you to read a lecture, say, on physics in this language without hysterical laughter. So there are probably a lot of reasonable people left there. But the junta knows the right secret to stay in power. We must NOT LET the leaders grow up at any level. Press, beat and kill (if necessary) them immediately, not allowing them to rise even to the regional level. And ATO helps them in this. And "it will smell of fried", martial law will be introduced, and thugs will be thrown into suppression of protests not with bats, but with machine guns.
    Nothing. The standard of living in Maidania has not yet fallen to the bottom, although the decline has slowed down (much lower), but structural decay has not yet begun (when it is impossible to maintain a life-supporting infrastructure), I hope it will not come to that, otherwise there will be millions of victims and help them it will be IMPOSSIBLE due to the time limit (how soon can you warm the freezing city in which the heating pipes RAPPED?). But is he not the only one? Have roads turned into directions already?
  25. yurii p
    yurii p 21 July 2016 08: 53
    +5
    “In Russia, the same order began to be established 10 years later, but it came to something sensible only 3-4 years ago. And it was not the people who began to guide us, we don’t need to feed us with such tales, we all saw it with our own eyes. just like we did today, I sat at exactly one point and waited for a change. I waited. Putin came. Wouldn't have come, just sat under your Boriska and wouldn’t mumble. "..... yes, the Russians were lucky with Putin, and all the former residents of the USSR were unlucky with the country's main monster, Yeltsin, but the whole trouble is that the Yeltsins are still in power, they sit in the State Duma (United Russia) and in the government (most government ministers with the head) and something needs to be done about it at the elections.
  26. Hunt
    Hunt 21 July 2016 08: 54
    +5
    And what about Ukrainians? And there are Russian Ukrainians! It is especially embarrassing that the negotiations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, all in Russian are underway. Are these also ours, Russian Ukrainians?
  27. desyatka
    desyatka 21 July 2016 09: 32
    -3
    Quote: Kos_kalinki9
    But judging by the excerpt from the article, Russia is now an enemy for Ukrainians. And this is not refuted in the article.
    as for us "the Naglo-Saxons are a potential enemy, then - the best friend (90s), now the epiphany is a potential enemy who used temporary friendship to bring NATO closer to the borders of RUSSIA", and so is Ukraine: first, friendship, enmity (one-sided), now we are waiting for enlightenment and friendship. How long the enlightenment will last is unclear.
  28. Arkan
    Arkan 21 July 2016 09: 36
    +3
    "Russian Ukrainians" is an antithesis. If local aborigines take it for granted, then they live in a world of illusions. From the article I understood that the inhabitants of this territory are waiting for the next Pereyaslav Rada. Accommodation and khatoskraystvo, visible not with an armed eye. The role of the individual in Istria, no one disputes, it is just that the inhabitants from the extreme territory forget that each society gives birth to its own leaders. For Ukrainians, they are what they are. Until they have a new Khmelnytskyi, saving the Ukrainians is useless.
  29. HAM
    HAM 21 July 2016 09: 42
    +7
    PRESENT AUTHORITY REDUCES ALL URGENTLY FOR YOURSELF: renames streets and cities, destroys monuments, whatever they are, drives only what they need into their heads. Will not be these 5-6 years, the new generation has ALREADY grown on this rubbish. Honest people in Ukraine you can only sympathize, and advising them from a quiet backwoods of Russia is stupid like that, although not everyone is sitting on the fifth point in Kiev.
  30. vvv-73
    vvv-73 21 July 2016 09: 53
    +5
    The people of Ukraine will remain - this is certain. The question is how much of it - this people will remain. In Russia, losses in the 90s amounted to about 6 million people. What will this chaos cost Ukraine?
  31. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 21 July 2016 10: 24
    +1
    Normal note, especially nothing to complain about. The author once again confirmed my personal opinion.
    Get sick, will not go anywhere. And in order to recover quickly - it is necessary for patients to throw up medications and observe the hospital regimen!
    With the regime, we help as much as we can. If more drugs were tossed more, perhaps recovery would have been more successful and faster.
    Svidomo - this disease is the same as pederasty, and alcoholism, and drug addiction. Or treat, or in a morgue.
    According to my estimates, lepers on the outskirts are much less than 50%.
  32. Khariton
    Khariton 21 July 2016 10: 34
    +3
    The article is interesting of course (I love those from the other side))) .... But my opinion remains the same! For me there is NO more Ukraine!
    I especially liked it (and I consider this phrase to be the main one in the article) Tipo you need to wait five years and then we (the troops of the DPR and Russia) will meet you in Kiev with bread and salt ..))))))
    I translate: This means everyone will plunder, destroy and dump foreign countries, and we should restore everything and cuddle with you (heroically sitting underground)))))
    No "gentlemen, great Ukrainians", if we come then you all will have to answer and in full for everything! And it will be a real occupation, as you "dream" now ..
    These are the things we have in the tank troops ... hi
  33. Berkut24
    Berkut24 21 July 2016 10: 42
    +4
    "If you think everyone is in Maidan, then no."

    If you think that it is very interesting to us now - no.
    Your banquet for your money. We will not pay for what you destroyed, forgot, stole and stole. Get out yourself as you want - only labor will make a person from a resident of Ukraine. Freebies from Russia will no longer be. We learned our lesson. Learn your own now.
  34. akyb1975
    akyb1975 21 July 2016 10: 49
    -2
    Yes, it is the Ukrainians of Yeltsin who supported the union, or the Muscovites happily clapped their hands at the beginning with Madame Narusova ask
  35. Egoza
    Egoza 21 July 2016 11: 06
    +15
    Hello! due to the fact that I mentioned in the article, I will add my opinion and answers to some questions.
    1. There are much more Russians in Ukraine than one might expect, BUT if children from kindergarten are told that "you live in Ukraine, then you are a Ukrainian" + school, then we get Russian-speaking Ukrainians. And you need to fight very hard for your nationality, so that it does not penetrate into the head. We in the USSR are accustomed to the fact that nationality is not the main thing and all nations are equal, then not everyone could imagine what this would result in.
    2. Yes, Ukraine is more of a rural country, and thinking is appropriate, despite the fact that many have moved to cities, but ... "nature overcomes science." Although there is progress here too - they began to relate better to the Russians, Russia, they do not believe this government and O !!!! they begin to criticize and curse Europe.
    3. I do not dispute that there are also completely zombified, but I warn relatives that there is wiretapping, and openly support or say something "not in the party line" is fraught. In reality, people "disappear". You don't have to go far - messages like "Attention! You can be tracked at the moment" on your computer regularly. I wonder if you have such a thing? Further. Here on TV they say that all Ukrainian network users in Russia can be registered with the Russian special services. beware! Does the SBU mean no? Haha. Therefore, no one will say his real opinion, only at a personal meeting.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 21 July 2016 13: 32
      +2
      Quote: Egoza
      "Attention! At the moment you can be tracked" I wonder if you have such a thing?

      No, because a normal antivirus is worth it. Run a one-time "Dr.Web" on your computer, and you will most likely disappear for a while. With everything else, I agree, everything is so.
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 21 July 2016 14: 59
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      here on TV they report that all Ukrainian network users in Russia can be registered in the Russian special services. beware! Does the SBU mean no? Haha Because no one will say their real opinion, only in person.

      There are several simple and affordable ways to disable localization; those who wish - yes, google ... Kaspersky, for example (though, paid ...).
  36. Aspirin
    Aspirin 21 July 2016 11: 08
    +7
    A year ago, some analyst wrote that from hatred of Russia Ukrainians will soon move to hatred of Europe. For various reasons ... few loans, no visa cancellations, poor pressure on Russia and all that jazz.
    And voila, that's what happens.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 21 July 2016 11: 35
      +2
      Quote: A. Spirin
      from hatred of Russia, Ukrainians will soon move to hatred of Europe. For various reasons ... few loans, no visa cancellations, poor pressure on Russia and all that jazz.
      And voila, that's what happens.

      Not really, it's just that the propaganda is already SO clumsy that they stop believing. eg. "We have achieved independence from Russian gas. We are buying in Europe ..." we began to use logic, who will sell at a loss? So Russia was selling us cheaper. than we are told. Or "if there were Russian troops in the Donbass, it would be like in Syria." wrong judgment, but at least this is how the understanding comes that the Russian army is not there.
  37. Egoza
    Egoza 21 July 2016 11: 20
    +7
    4. Cities are pressing more because the working class nevertheless remained. But the most active were removed long ago, the leader really is not. as well as a clear program. Therefore, they will so far sit quietly, conducting quiet counter-propaganda. Believe me, it works. By the way, I do not agree that Azarov is quite a corpse. That's just it is separated from Yanyk and would love to see the prime minister.
    Unfortunately, things are not so simple with Donbass. And precisely because after the words "we do not abandon our own ... Let them just try to bomb women and children" nothing obvious happened. Yes, even if only a protest was declared in the same UN. I repeat, at that moment there was NOTHING. And the confidence that the Russians of Ukraine would be helped collapsed. do not equate with the Crimea - there was a Russian fleet and there were not so many Westerners. So: propaganda + active gangs + impoverishment, when you just need to think how to feed the children + lack of strength that you can trust and who you can follow. Here we sit ... for now.
    1. T-73
      T-73 21 July 2016 11: 51
      +2
      Lena, you know, not everything is so simple. And apart from jokes, the Russian Federation helps. Yes, that's the notorious soft power. Well, Russia cannot start a war now. Americans are just waiting for this. So many dogs have been hanged on us - Mom, don't worry. Olympics without us, count. In any case, I do not share the Russian Federation and Donbass. Many had to open their eyes. We argued until hoarse in Izhevsk 3 days ago) Well, we do not share the situevina. So what? But as it was - so it is: "the Russians do not abandon their own in the war"
    2. T-73
      T-73 21 July 2016 16: 48
      +1
      Yes they will bomb, they will. Protests will not give anything. Pocket mongrels can bark, but they won't bite. The situation is heating up, and so it is clear. But as usual, peaceful people will suffer. Cities ... yes, but if other people live on their own too. Everything is complicated. You yourself think the same. Difficult for Donbass ahead
  38. uncle Andrey
    uncle Andrey 21 July 2016 11: 21
    +5
    In two cases, the author of the article is right. When asking questions:
    1. Who to follow
    2. In the name of what
    1. Khariton
      Khariton 21 July 2016 18: 07
      +1
      Quote: Uncle Andrey
      In two cases, the author of the article is right. When asking questions:
      1. Who to follow
      2. In the name of what

      You forgot the third point, the most important judging by the article ..
      3. How much will they pay us if we go ..?
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 21 July 2016 21: 01
        0
        Quote: Chariton
        You forgot the third point, the most important judging by the article ..
        3. How much will they pay us if we go ..?

        So Mikhail Nikolaevich (Z) in one of his speeches noted: all for grandmas.
  39. unsinkable
    unsinkable 21 July 2016 11: 26
    +3
    Quote: vvv-73
    The people of Ukraine will remain - this is certain.

    For all the remaining times, Ukraine is doomed to be divided even within common borders. There have always been and will be Bandera, the pro-Russian population from Ukrainians and the Russians themselves. Regardless, from whose hands they will eat cookies. But, regardless of this, Ukraine needs to be returned under the influence of Russia .No, not returning to * brothers * and getting a freebie, but a relationship without any discounts or concessions.
    1. vvv-73
      vvv-73 21 July 2016 17: 47
      +3
      Does someone talk about a freebie? And then, and you remember our 90s. After all, the majority supported Boriska. And when the union collapsed, there was no particular panic, because they said that everything would remain. Only when a specific ass began, then they realized it, but it was too late.
  40. T-73
    T-73 21 July 2016 11: 29
    +4
    Roman, maybe not worth it so categorically? Many will accept it as using the resource for their own purposes). Well, to despise Egoza ... yes, I am ready to bow to her feet, whoever is in the subject knows for what. for the rest I’ll say simply - for the truth.
  41. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 21 July 2016 11: 35
    +7
    Blaming Russian Ukrainians or Ukrainian Russians for passivity is a bit ridiculous. How many have we protested against Serdyukov, ehe, various stupid laws and abominations? Besides the internet?
    What would happen to LDNR without the support of Russia? Would Crimea have sailed to us, being immoral of polite people?
    Therefore, informational support, support of sane people in Ukraine should be at the state serious level. These are radio stations and television channels or Internet channels in Russian and UKRAINIAN. It is correctly noted in the article that nobody in Ukraine will follow the asarov ones. Seek true leaders, grow. All this arsenal is masterfully owned by Western partners. We have only Zurabov, slap all that is possible. It is better to invest in it than to defend a border of many thousands.
    1. Aspirin
      Aspirin 21 July 2016 11: 42
      +2
      All would be nothing. But you proceed from the incorrect postulate that Ukraine was once pro-Russian. And then they took her away from us. But she wasn’t like that. Never. In addition to the brief period of the USSR, of course.
      In this world, nothing has changed. Who is stronger is right. And the brotherhood of nations is as false a simulacrum as the presence or absence of friends or allies.
    2. T-73
      T-73 21 July 2016 16: 37
      0
      Confused, but in fact true. And Zurabov ... cover, no more. Such a combination is not a bad one, ass is a parrot. But the result is clear - Our Crimea!
    3. 9lvariag
      9lvariag 24 July 2016 18: 07
      +1
      Quote: Stauffenberg
      Blaming Russian Ukrainians or Ukrainian Russians for passivity is a bit ridiculous. How many have we protested against Serdyukov, ehe, various stupid laws and abominations? Besides the internet?
      What would happen to LDNR without the support of Russia? Would Crimea have sailed to us, being immoral of polite people?
      Therefore, informational support, support of sane people in Ukraine should be at the state serious level. These are radio stations and television channels or Internet channels in Russian and UKRAINIAN. It is correctly noted in the article that nobody in Ukraine will follow the asarov ones. Seek true leaders, grow. All this arsenal is masterfully owned by Western partners. We have only Zurabov, slap all that is possible. It is better to invest in it than to defend a border of many thousands.

      What are you talking about?
      I, as a former citizen of Hohland, can very much dedicate you in many ways:
      1. I don’t understand what this article is about. And as a resident of the Crimea and an employee of the Russian Navy with 24 years of experience - I do not understand it all the more!
      2. I think the aftar of this grief of the opus was aggravated by the official permission to travel to Antalya. And I remember very well the words of a Turkish journalist told to Peter Tolstykh - “What do you think, we are waiting for you in Turkey when you will have to put up with us!” And the words spoken so passionately. :( No Lord Khokhlo-popchegi, nothing like that.
      3.I think that it will not be superfluous to remind that in addition to Korsun-Shechenkovsky and Kulikov Fields, other citizens of the Russian Federation also died in Ukraine! And not in the ATO, there was not then Slavyansk and Strelka. For that there was a cool nationalist frenzy! :( Have you forgotten how these regular "pseudo-brothers" robbed Russians on trains? How were they deported from airplanes?
      4. Have you forgotten how to ruin the property of the Russian Federation in Usrain and property and business of the Russian Federation? What is the propaganda against our business? These same "khatoskraytsy" who now "brothers" and "do not mind" - fiercely wore canned food; pies and wrestles; fat - on that very Maidan. These same boobies collected money for the ATO and things. And zapadentsy shouted: - "Why is it from Eastern Ukraine" do not go in the forefront (I think the issue of loyalty to the nationalists is clear. "
      5. There was once given a link to the Genichesk forum, I think you will find where it is? And I advise you to read Pts that they write about the Crimea and the Russian Federation. There is a forum moderator from the USA (yes, in such a Zadrischensk from the USA). And how they rejoice everywhere and on all resources to our defeats and failures. I am not surprised that the inhabitants of this depressive town burned gas in torches and ran to Aksyonov with his bare ass in the winter. And who will pay for their stupidity? We!
      6. You need to know that they have a long dislike of Russians. Just after 1991. the inhabitants of this country are furious and furious. You recall where they trained Ukrainian fighters for Ichkeria and treated Nokhchi?
      Who sold the lion's share of the secrets of our military-industrial complex to China? Who let amers go to the "holy of holies" RVNS, the YUMZ plant? Who sold the carriers of nuclear weapons, until 2002. are such rackets X-22 / X-24 X-505? The ones that Marchuk didn't find?
      PS: I was back in 1994. when there was a "war for Tuzla", he said that the Ukrainians are not on our way! There is no one to feel sorry for and there to cry and no one to help there! As is the case with Turkey. Let many years first prove their loyalty, and only then ..........
      I can not be difficult for me. Remind the downed Kui and Kuzmuk Tu-154. for which not a single hryvnia was paid from the budget. Recall how and who fought against Lebed in the PMR?
  42. Old warrior
    Old warrior 21 July 2016 11: 54
    +5
    At the expense of us under Yeltsin-to the point! Russophobia in Ukraine was directly encouraged by our former leadership. It was not for nothing that they sent there such outright mediocrity as the black muzzle and zurab.
    1. T-73
      T-73 21 July 2016 11: 59
      +3
      Do not look for enemies where they are not. And about mediocrity - I agree
  43. ML-334
    ML-334 21 July 2016 12: 25
    0
    Everything is much worse, I thought about 20 percent of the patients were on their heads, in fact, everything. I believe in '14 and these people shouted glory to the heroes. But nothing heals.
  44. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 21 July 2016 12: 44
    +4
    My hut is on the edge, we are sitting like mice in a hole, give us a weapon, let us devour, give us a Leader, give, give, give .... Eh, Tseuropa remained the same since the betrayal of Mazepa and his comrades. What, our partisans in war with Napoleon, Hitler also asked for something? They got the weapons themselves, nominated commanders from their midst, beat the enemy, and later, then they began to look for connections with the mainland and get trained military leaders, resources, etc. Who does not order quietly remove first, one, then two and further armed pravoseks, to pick up weapons to create cells of the underground, to start undermining military equipment and power structures, to contact the DNR and LPR, to create a connection, and then to enter Voentorg? No, damn it, it's scary, but our fathers and grandfathers weren't scared, and the guys from Donbass weren't scared? Everyone is scared, but some suppress this fear, while others remain with it. That's when the "goose Ukrainians" instead of "my hut, my pig" will have thoughts - "my Russian people, my country, the former USSR, and now Russia" Then let them write. But, the Mazepians are tormented by vague doubts, however. Remember Khoja Nasreddin, how he saved the merchant from the water. Everyone shouted, come on, meaning a hand to pull out. But the merchant was drowning, and when Khoja shouted - Take it, as the merchant instantly stretched out his hand and escaped. Freebie, however.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 21 July 2016 13: 38
      -2
      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      Who doesn’t order the quietly to remove first one, then two and further armed law enforcement officers, pick up weapons to create underground cells, start undermining military equipment and power structures, contact the Dnieper and the Dnieper, to create a connection, and then exit to Voentorg?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3Xqvy1jqio
    2. Stauffenberg
      Stauffenberg 21 July 2016 13: 41
      +5
      If you have studied the partisan movement during the Second World War, you should know that the success of the partisans is associated precisely with broad support from the Big Earth. Where would the "guys from Donbass" be now without the military service and the north wind? Why don't we attend to exactly the same actions in the rest of Ukraine, for a start, in terms of information?
      1. Tambov Wolf
        Tambov Wolf 22 July 2016 10: 24
        +1
        So they are waiting with shouts of "give everything." Maybe we will start partisans for them, and they will sell the pigs in the bazaar?
  45. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 21 July 2016 12: 49
    +3
    Until the name "Ukrainian people" and "we are Ukrainians" appears, nothing good will come of it. It is impossible to create something out of nothing. A people cannot appear and create a state in a hundred years, especially with an ideology introduced from outside. For the first time the word combination "Ukrainian people sounded at the very end of the 19th century, with the filing of the Austrians and in a very small area of ​​the western region.
  46. Alex66
    Alex66 21 July 2016 12: 59
    +1
    Well, why is Putin not enough for everyone? Join us, we will be proud of him and criticize him for DAM and his team.
  47. alexey water
    alexey water 21 July 2016 13: 07
    +3
    So we will wait. And with the tanks, I think we don’t need to go in, even if they meet us with bread and salt. Let them put things in order. 10 years, 20, 30,100,200 years - please. Our lands are our lands. Our Crimea. Now, if the NATO people go in there and start threatening us, then yes. And so let them figure it out themselves, sit, wait. And I completely agree about us and Yeltsin. Only one thing but: we didn’t jump and dance with songs who don’t jump that maskal, or there’s a crest. Or someone there for a ghilyak, crested for example. Do not jump and thank God. Why not jump. It never occurred to me. Yes, it was possible to get in the eye for such a mildly disrespect. Let them wait. And we need to deal with ourselves, to develop both morally and spiritually. In this regard, too, the field is not plowed.
    1. Mik13
      Mik13 21 July 2016 14: 02
      0
      Quote: Alexey Vodyanoy
      Only one thing but: we didn’t jump and dance with songs who don’t jump that maskal, or there’s a crest. Or someone out there for nothing, she crested for an example. Do not jump and thank God. Why not jump. It never occurred to me. Yes, you could get in the eye for such a mildly disrespect

      True? Well then I will remind the forgetful:
      1. alexey water
        alexey water 21 July 2016 14: 22
        +1
        And what year is the video? Well, I see that once shot on a fairly good smartphone camera, and on the subway car, this video was shot during the 2006-2016 period of the year.
        And then we are talking about the time of Yeltsin, and this will remind 1992-1999 year.
        Yes, occasionally nationalist rallies and staged rallies, like the one in the subway. But, so that these Natsik would not be hit on the ears for the same chock, these Natsik were also guarded by a riot police squad. Which at the same time and keeps Natsik in check. Those. this is not how it does not stand at the state and national level. Unlike Ukraine with 2014
        We didn’t have that. It was different, sad. But this did not pour out on the Ukrainians.
        1. Mik13
          Mik13 21 July 2016 17: 47
          +2
          Quote: alexei water
          And what year is the video? Well, I see that once shot on a fairly good smartphone camera, and on the subway car, this video was shot during the 2006-2016 period of the year.
          And then we are talking about the time of Yeltsin, and this will remind 1992-1999 year.
          Yes, occasionally nationalist rallies and staged rallies, like the one in the subway. But, so that these Natsik would not be hit on the ears for the same chock, these Natsik were also guarded by a riot police squad. Which at the same time and keeps Natsik in check. Those. this is not how it does not stand at the state and national level. Unlike Ukraine with 2014
          We didn’t have that. It was different, sad. But this did not pour out on the Ukrainians.

          2012 video of the year. However, it doesn’t matter.
          The same technology was used in the Baltic states and during the Armenian-Azerbaijani interethnic clashes. And anyone can be appointed an enemy. Though cyclists.

          And about the one ... I have a huge selection of materials on inciting MPR in the Russian Federation. And the object of hatred for the Russians is Caucasians.

          I will not write everything that is now used for processing - but I dare to assure you, these gentlemen are able to work very well. Unfortunately.

          An average person has no more chances for properly placed propaganda than a can in front of a can opener. Alas.
  48. Egoza
    Egoza 21 July 2016 13: 29
    +6
    now there is a religious procession "for peace in Donbass." This is from the Moscow Patriarchate and comes from two sides - from the west and from the east. Tens of thousands of people are walking. in the heat of 40 degrees, yes, they are not armed, but they protest as best they can. And why is this peaceful move so frightening? and pravosekov with other gangs that are trying to disperse him, and Turchinov, who has already stated that "Moscow priests personally fired machine guns at the Armed Forces of Ukraine", and deputies who fled urgently for the holidays and had already flown away on vacation ... Yes, everything is simple - this The move proves that there are many more people in Ukraine who will support Russia than any polls show. And how interesting - the course should end in Kiev on July 28, the day of the baptism of Kievan Rus, and now the right-wing people are declaring that they will not let people into Kiev. and the "authorities" that they will generally introduce martial law from August 1 (?) If so, then the "Independence" day on August 24 (25th anniversary, by the way) will become the last day for "Independent" Ukraine. it will disintegrate into 2 subdivisions "and disappear from the world map as a single state.
    1. ruskih
      ruskih 21 July 2016 14: 13
      +3
      That's right, Lena, that you recalled the procession. Yes, there is still the Pochaev Lavra in western Ukraine, still holding on. A procession from the west came out from there. And people, no matter what, defend their faith. Ordinary ordinary people. Yes, the most courageous. They have not gone anywhere, they survive there.
      It's just that if they talk about them here, it’s only negative.
  49. FM-78
    FM-78 21 July 2016 13: 56
    +7
    The geography of my Ukrainian "informants" is not much different. Kherson, Nikolaev, Ochakov, Odessa, but the position "if you are, then we immediately go into battle" is yes, only the main thing in this phrase, we must do something. But seriously, 90% of percent are busy simply providing their livelihoods, this applies to both very wealthy people and not so. They are not up to the fight.
    Many copies about Crimea were broken here, I don’t know what or who had the most influence on the situation, but the main thing is to pay attention to a completely different composition and mentality of the population. 70-80% of Russians and 40 percent of them are somehow related to the army, navy - this is a completely different contingent.
  50. kriten
    kriten 21 July 2016 13: 59
    +3
    The historian Lev Gumilyov has the concept of a chimeric state. An example is today's Ukraine, whose population turned out to be unprepared for the organization of its state. The rulers chose people who want to steal here and live there. For the sake of this, having thrown the idea of ​​a beautiful euro freebies, they, under the approval of the population, destroy and plunder the country's economy. And the population ripens and ripens like a pumpkin, i.e. waiting can not be completely plundered and on the leftovers and we will profit. Only now realizing that no one intends to feed them, and the economy is almost over, by the will of the owners of foreign and thieves of their own (and foreign guests invited), pumpkins will ripen.
    1. Lexa-149
      Lexa-149 23 July 2016 22: 44
      0
      I'm afraid when the "pumpkins are ripe" it will be too late ...