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In Kiev, called the conditions of withdrawal of the armed forces in the Donbass

Before starting the withdrawal of forces and means, the opposing parties in the Donbass must return to the line of demarcation, fixed in September 2014 g, reports UNIAN Statement by the head of the Security Sub-Working Group in the contact group on the situation in Donbas Yevhen Marchuk.

In Kiev, called the conditions of withdrawal of the armed forces in the Donbass

“At the time of the meetings of the Trilateral Contact Group, an agreement is being reached on the withdrawal of forces in the Donbas. In principle, from the point of view of common sense, it is difficult to object to withdrawing the military, so that snipers do not see the goal, do not see each other, provoke various movements there, ”said Marchuk.

“Today, they (Russia) are not satisfied with two points from this major transaction. The first is that the withdrawal took place, and the baseline was taken from the 19 September 2014 line of the year, on which we insist. And secondly, they want to exclude in the preamble, this is not in the imperative part, remove the reference to the fact that the basis of this agreement is taken 12 principles, which are developed by military experts of the "Norman Quartet," he said.

“All other points, according to him, have already been agreed. “The parties agreed not to wait for the next round of talks in Minsk, which will take place on July 27, and online to try to agree on these points. The issue of approving the demarcation line as of September 2014 is crucial for us, ”added Marchuk.

“I think that we will agree on something, we will find some kind of compromise, and if this happens, then there are three sites ready (for breeding forces) - Stanitsa Luganskaya, Zolotoe and Petrovskoe,” he said.

“The three sections are two kilometers deep, two kilometers wide, and then they can be expanded. If this 2 square on 2 is done, but there it is provided, before you begin, to determine the exact coordinates, absolutely accurate, up to seconds. (Also) on the other hand, seven days of silence are necessarily provided for, that is, if there is no seven days of silence, but there will be shelling, there will be no withdrawal, ”the representative of Ukraine said.

“Each party will have to notify the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission documenting the exact coordinates of the current location and further withdrawal of all forces. This message will be sent to the OSCE SMM upon the fact of observing the seven days of silence. The OSCE observers, in turn, must verify that the silence regime is indeed being observed, and then there must be an appeal for the simultaneous withdrawal of forces by the parties. Challenge should occur simultaneously, ”he specified.

“For example, where we will now (agree) withdrawal in the Stanitsa Luganskaya, we propose that this zone be extended not for two kilometers, but for it to go along the Seversky Donets River up to the Ukrainian-Russian border,” Marchuk said.

According to him, “in this security zone there should be no personnel, armored personnel carriers, large-caliber machine guns, grenade launchers, snipers, as well as sabotage and reconnaissance groups”

“Why do we insist so much on this and insist? Because it can be the beginning of a withdrawal along the entire contact line, and it is practically a front line, ”added Marchuk.
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  1. Turkir
    Turkir 20 July 2016 10: 26
    So I want the dictates to dictate the conditions ...
    1. volot-voin
      volot-voin 20 July 2016 10: 30
      Quote: Turkir
      So I want the dictates to dictate the conditions ..

      Or maybe Donbass will dissolve itself and the Russian Federation to leave for permanent residence? Let their troops move for Slavyansk and Kramatorsk then along the borders of the regions.
      1. cniza
        cniza 20 July 2016 11: 11
        “Why did we insist on this and insist? Because it may be the beginning withdrawal along the entire line of contact, and it is practically the front line, ”Marchuk added.

        Here is the key message - maybe there is no faith for them, let them give all of New Russia ..
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 20 July 2016 13: 39
          Quote: cniza
          This is the key message - maybe there is no faith for them, let all of New Russia give..

          It is about fulfilling the contractual clauses of Minsk-2 ...
          So you can talk about all of New Russia only from the perspective of giving it special status in / in Ukraine, holding a referendum and elections ... However, before this, it is primarily the withdrawal and delimitation of troops ...

          It's strange how everything is distorted ... Russia is trying to achieve exactly this, but again they are trying to accuse it, since it is "unprofitable" for it ...

          Yes, a lot of things are unprofitable for us from what is happening in Ukraine ... However, we are tolerating ... for now ...
    2. vlad66
      vlad66 20 July 2016 10: 31
      The issue of approval of the demarcation line as of September 2014 is of fundamental importance to us

      But the scoreboard will not crack, is it to give Donetsk airport and Debaltseve from Logvinovo? The lip is not a fool, there is Minsk-2, let it be executed, until the scoreboard receives a new dibila ....
      1. aleks700
        aleks700 20 July 2016 13: 12
        But the scoreboard will not crack, is it to give Donetsk airport and Debaltseve from Logvinovo? The lip is not a fool, there is Minsk-2, let it be executed, until the scoreboard receives a new dibila ....
        They will not crack. In general, we are waiting for a team from the Kremlin.
      2. Dam
        Dam 20 July 2016 20: 49
        Alternatively, I suggest the wording of the answer: "the product of the final pig digestion, served to your face on an agricultural tool
    3. 2224460
      2224460 20 July 2016 10: 38
      In Kiev, called the conditions of withdrawal of the armed forces in the Donbass
      So I want the dictates to dictate the conditions ...
      It seems that the condition of withdrawal is one for them, when the owner will say then and withdraw, everything else will be fired upon, provocations on the demarcation line will be constant.
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 20 July 2016 10: 41
      In fact, the front line can be promoted to the Dnieper. What is not a condition? laughing Who else would put forward conditions there? Kuev then remains until the end of the year.
      1. ordinary
        ordinary 20 July 2016 10: 58
        but it says Ukrainian in white wassat "in the preamble" ....... writes "in my opinion" somnambulist not otherwise negative
      2. Amurets
        Amurets 20 July 2016 10: 59
        Quote: siberalt
        In fact, the front line can be promoted to the Dnieper. What is not a condition? laughing Who else would put forward conditions? Kuev then remains until the end of the year.

        Well, you grind something! The LDNR border must be pushed as far as Tissa, well, in general, to the western border of the USSR, and then bargain for Ukraine.
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 20 July 2016 13: 43
          Quote: Amurets
          LDNR border should be pushed to Tissa, well, in general to the western border of the USSR,

          This is an adder’s nest - Western Ukraine - and you don’t need a spirit!

          Let them happily go to Poland ... And the Poles will remember what it is not a friend, comrade and brother, but ... Quickly put in place ...
    5. Vend
      Vend 20 July 2016 10: 47
      Quote: Turkir
      So I want the dictates to dictate the conditions ...

      It turns out that LDNR must return Gorlovka, Debaltseve, Enakiev. But are they not ofigel?
      Today, they (Russia) are not satisfied with two points from this major deal.
      Apparently svidomye are afraid to even pronounce the name of our country. Well, how can I not remember "Do not remember the name of the Lord, ohalnik."
      1. German Titov
        German Titov 20 July 2016 11: 04
        They did not enter Gorlovka.
  2. Al1977
    Al1977 20 July 2016 10: 28
    Our Donbass!
    1. shurik
      shurik 20 July 2016 11: 13
      And whose will you be, dear ??? belay
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 20 July 2016 10: 30
    Stop cheating MARCHUK ....

    such as you scammers want a lot of things for free ...
    you don’t know what an honest arrangement is ... always trying to deceive the one with whom you agree.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 20 July 2016 10: 48
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      you don’t know what an honest arrangement is ... always trying to deceive the one with whom you agree
      "Benedictine modesty refers to the tendency to consider only oneself as smart and others as fools." Ukrainians, it seems, are still Benedictine monks laughing
      Although I would prefer to call this trait of national character "cunning".
  4. Flinky
    Flinky 20 July 2016 10: 35
    Because this may be the beginning of the withdrawal along the entire line of contact, and it is practically the front line

    Or it may not be the beginning of the challenge.
    How to implement the agreement in Kukuev - everyone already knows.
    1. Belarus
      Belarus 20 July 2016 10: 42
      Yes, the Minsk agreement on the Kiev junta is apparently a complicated crossword puzzle.
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit 20 July 2016 13: 00
        Concluding agreements with the West, and even more so with Ukraine, is not a thankful undertaking. They keep their word only as long as they know that they can get an answer, and not a weak one. Otherwise, they wanted to spit on all the agreements, especially Ukraine, as the most diligent student of Western democratic masters.
  5. Krsk
    Krsk 20 July 2016 10: 36
    maybe all the same "north wind" to victory?
  6. Belarus
    Belarus 20 July 2016 10: 41
    It is surprising that in fact they are on their knees trying to dictate terms. I want to tell the talking head: you, like your cartridge, would be better to have a bite for more.

    And as a matter of fact, the Americans (not the Kiev junta) go to a direct breakdown of negotiations by exposing the obviously unattainable conditions of the DLNR and the Russian Federation.
    It was correctly said: that until a brazen hara is received, either by the cauldron or by someone’s leg in berets, the conversation will not work!
  7. V.ic
    V.ic 20 July 2016 10: 43
    Another lure from Bandera. You say they take out and take it away, and we are kanechnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa You can’t believe these dandies not a penny, by the way, when will they give 3,5 lard?
  8. bald
    bald 20 July 2016 10: 44
    All this is complete bullshit. Some need to recover, others do not dare to go to Kiev and beyond (which must be done for a long time), without the support of Russia. Another round of the spiral.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 20 July 2016 13: 49
      Quote: bald
      others hesitate to go to Kiev and further (which should be done for a long time),

      Hmm ... To Kiev and beyond ... What forces ??? Really ???

      These forces are sprayed like a handful of grains of sand in the desert, and will be immediately destroyed ...
      Now they are in a fist ...

      Or do you propose that Russia nevertheless come to the war, for which its USA-EU-Ukraine is expected - they won’t wait ???
  9. AlexTires
    AlexTires 20 July 2016 10: 46
    EMNIP, then the divorce / withdrawal of troops from the contact line was established by Minsk, so someone needs to roll up their lips and remember this agreement ... In general, Ukrainians are simply political unique: Well, it is necessary to think of conditions for the terms of the cessation of bloodshed ...
    1. Mishka
      Mishka 20 July 2016 11: 47
      They will come up with anything, just not to withdraw the weapons. They pulled up. Already what a night "concerts" around Donetsk.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 July 2016 14: 48
      Yes, we have been watching for a long time how they "withdraw" their troops, how they "fulfill the agreements" from the demarcation line - yesterday Donbass was fired 700 times, the LPRP leadership should gather a briefing and announce The Ukrainian Armed Forces, Donetsk and Lugansk republics, are withdrawing from the Minsk agreements on such a date.
  10. sgr291158
    sgr291158 20 July 2016 10: 54
    Yes, they can only talk and can, but in reality they won’t do anything.
  11. Mihail55
    Mihail55 20 July 2016 10: 55
    Off topic. I learned just now about the death of journalist Pavel Sheremet. Suffered from dad ... and now here in Kiev.
    Everlasting memory!
    1. Dali
      Dali 20 July 2016 11: 02
      Is this national traitor a memory ?! belay
    2. German Titov
      German Titov 20 July 2016 11: 07
      And the earth is glassy. He lived shit and took off from the air conditioner. It happens...
  12. Wildfox
    Wildfox 20 July 2016 11: 01
    Does Ukurok really think that the initiative is on the side of Ukraine? This tryndets put them radars, they indulged in "silence" them and think that with full-scale databases there are more of them for 3 days. fool
    To dictate such conditions, at least it is necessary to cut the road to Gorlovka or take the same Debaltsevo into the ring.
    Very similar to the obviously failed peace initiatives before the offensive. recourse
  13. Mercenary
    Mercenary 20 July 2016 11: 10
    The condition can be one: - Kiev unilaterally withdraws troops beyond the administrative border of Donetsk and Lugansk regions on February 1, 2014. And NEVER climbs there again!
  14. A-Sim
    A-Sim 20 July 2016 11: 11
    if there is no seven days of silence, and there will be shelling, there will be no challenge, ”said the representative of Ukraine.
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 July 2016 11: 11
    Have they already won and dictate the ultimatum? Wow! Well, Svidomity, well, masters of the comedy genre. Yes, let yourself. Dumka richer.
    WHITE CAT 20 July 2016 11: 15
    Well, it’s cunning ... wise. The main thing is to put forward impossible conditions, and then to be indignant and say: we are for peace in the whole world with all our hearts. others do not want it. Only now they are not in the right situation to put forward conditions. First, nothing depends on them. What the "curators" say, they will do it. And secondly, no matter what conditions and concessions are fulfilled by the LPR and the Russian Federation, they will still be to blame. And therefore they go through the forest with their own conditions. Only people feel sorry that they are dying under shelling, especially children.
  17. Berkut24
    Berkut24 20 July 2016 11: 15
    ... and present the Martians withdrawn from Donbass to the territory of Russia.
  18. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 20 July 2016 11: 25
    Ukrainians cannot be trusted - they lied, they lie, and they will lie further. And on the territory of the earth, return Russia once that belonged.
    1. vell.65
      vell.65 20 July 2016 11: 57
      It can, like in Avgan, use the Alpha group, just do not look back to the West, only inform the population first in the mass media.
  19. Stoler
    Stoler 20 July 2016 11: 37
    Yah?! Snack!
  20. Wolka
    Wolka 20 July 2016 11: 37
    stop putting commas, hohlyaks completely discredited themselves by starting again intensive shelling of civilian targets and intensifying hostilities on the demarcation line, it’s time to put an end to bold and forever ...
  21. Mishka
    Mishka 20 July 2016 11: 41
    No matter how the Ukrobanderaites dodge during the negotiations, the point in this story will be set as a result of a military victory. Because no one will give them back what the BCH won in 2014-2015.
  22. Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov 20 July 2016 11: 42
    Delimitation can take place only along the boundaries of areas of the point
  23. 15Bars
    15Bars 20 July 2016 11: 48
    It is urgent to hammer on this distinction and quickly reach Kiev in order to drive out all the crap from the heads of the "abomination" sitting there.
  24. There are a lot of us
    There are a lot of us 20 July 2016 11: 51
    With sports, we will solve issues (not long left) and fucking in Ukraine so that they know their place.
  25. Shooting
    Shooting 20 July 2016 12: 09
    They also forgot about two of our powerful groups, which are being created, well, exclusively for the defeat of Kiev - the Crimean and Kaliningrad ones. And so that they would not rush to the west, we began to arm Serbia. It's just not Ukraine, but some kind of "cauldron" formed by the trenches of Stalingrad. fool
  26. kvarfax
    kvarfax 20 July 2016 12: 42
    I read it and wonder. It seems to me a simple matter. Well, they want to "easily" take a part of the territory. Then there will be a breakdown of Minsk and an offensive. Why not put forward "conditions" that will be fulfilled - good. For there will no longer be defense and part of the land will be immediately behind them. No? Well, after all, they are all good from themselves! We tried to negotiate!
  27. masiya
    masiya 20 July 2016 13: 48
    You can not trust these false fascist geeks ...
  28. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 20 July 2016 14: 59
    Yes, Kiev has long been time to declare null and void.
    And, if the West demands from the Kremlin the implementation of the "Minsk agreements",
    then the international community should give Moscow the right to resolve the Ukrainian issue,
    and Poroshenko to comply with the instructions of Moscow.
    This will be the logical end to the conflict.
    These ukrofashists decided to put more conditions; there can be no agreements with these hookers and criminals.
    It is impossible to negotiate with the Nazis !!!
  29. buywol
    buywol 20 July 2016 15: 10
    What do you decide for the people of LDNR? In 2014, the people decided to live independently. These ki in Donetsk and Lugansk entered into separate negotiations with the Kiev junta, the sale of coal (the difference in pockets), enterprises in the republics belong to the junta oligarchs, the money goes to war with LDNR, DonZhD workers don’t see money (trains move around the station Gorlovka in the direction of Artyomovsk DonZhD regularly, according to the schedule. At one time Strelkova was reproached for having handed over Slavyansk, these ki had been handed over to Donetsk and are now sitting in Donetsk and telling them how cool they are with crosses on their chests. How many houses were broken in the last night They broke it in a month in 2014. And you say something for Minsk 2, etc. Come and spend at least one day with the residents under shelling. We can say in the trenches that we are accustomed to women and deaths, and our wives children pray for us and hide What do you know about our war? Just what the media write. It didn’t affect you. We also didn’t think that we would face such a disaster. In short, sit on the ass and pray that you would something did not touch. If possible, help, if not, so at least do not bother.
  30. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 20 July 2016 16: 28
    It's a pity, you can't answer all these "Wishlist" with one capacious and understandable word. We have a different opinion - the administrative boundaries of Donetsk and Luhansk regions as of 2014!
  31. Doppelgänger
    Doppelgänger 20 July 2016 16: 58
    Well, what can we say about the statements of the Ukrainian leadership (if without obscenities) I would appreciate these "beautiful impulses of souls" epoch-making <Everything weirder and weirder! Everything is weirder and weirder!>)))
  32. Art777
    Art777 20 July 2016 21: 02
    Ukrainians are directly astounding ... Why did you climb to Donetsk in the winter of 2014-15, if you are directly satisfied in principle with only the demarcation line established in the fall of 2014!?!? Where the hell is even a drop of logic !? And the condition is amazing, so that we move 2km, you must retreat 40-50 km .. :))) ..