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Israeli media: Forpost Russian UAV entered Israeli airspace

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The second channel of Israeli TV and other Israeli Media with reference to sources in the country's defense department, they published materials that refer to the entry of a UAV of Russian production from Syrian airspace into Israeli airspace. We are talking about the UAV "Outpost", which is analogous to the Israeli IAI Searcher Mk II.


The report says that the drone crossed the Israeli air lines last Sunday. Moreover, the air borders of Israel in this case refers to the airspace above the Golan Heights. The submission claims that by means of Israeli air defense, an unmanned aerial vehicle was attempted to be shot down. According to Israeli media reports, the Outpost drone was attacked by Patriot missiles, but this did not prevent the UAV from returning to Syria.

The second TV channel of Israel:
Investigating the incident, it became clear that this is probably the same model of Searcher drones that are used by Russia in Syria.


These drones are produced under an Israeli license in the Sverdlovsk region.

Israeli media: Forpost Russian UAV entered Israeli airspace


Meanwhile, experts are inclined to believe that initially the Israeli military decided that an Iranian drone had entered the airspace of the Golan Heights. Then, setting the Russian identity of the UAV, "the drone was given the opportunity to return to Syria." Officials in the Israeli Ministry of Defense do not comment on the information.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 20 July 2016 07: 32
    +31
    Good advertisement Patriot.
    1. Riv
      Riv 20 July 2016 07: 34
      +15
      Good advertising licensed drones.
      1. cniza
        cniza 20 July 2016 07: 40
        +28
        These drones are produced under an Israeli license in the Sverdlovsk region.


        Israel would not be Israel if it had forgotten about its interest. smile
        1. Maxom75
          Maxom75 20 July 2016 10: 47
          0
          And we need to learn to think about our interest. Start at least with the CIS, Syria, Vietnam and more. In order not to whine later that the markets are busy and they will not let us go there.
        2. NIKNN
          NIKNN 20 July 2016 15: 45
          +5
          Just the facts.
          I wonder by what parameters the identity of the UAV is determined? Any user can use any control system i.e. frequency range is not proof, conclusion, only intelligence, i.e. someone has a mole.
          At the expense of "not shot down with three attempts," a big plus for Israel's air defense. During the invasion, four kilometers. managed to attack 3 times, 1 time with the Air Force, Calculate the reaction time. Fly another 2 km. I would have received another 8-10 missiles and would have been shot down ...
          Conclusion: BP consumption marginal, but air defense at altitude.
          Conclusions will be made I have no doubt, the truth is the cost, but so far not a war ..
          With drones it is necessary to fight with electronic warfare.
          1. Parsec
            Parsec 20 July 2016 16: 48
            +2
            Quote: NIKNN
            At the expense of "not shot down with three attempts," a big plus for Israel's air defense. During the invasion, four kilometers. managed to attack 3 times, 1 time by the Air Force,


            The result is nothing, the process is everything?
            Approximately how to evaluate a runner who ran 100 m per minute - he ran for a long time, but it was beautiful!

            Quote: NIKNN
            Fly another 2 km. I would have received another 8-10 missiles and would have been shot down ...
            Why 2 km, not 8 km or 10 km?

            Two, then, did not work, maybe ten. For a target flying at a speed of 180 km / h. For such an expense, not the ultimate, but the extraordinary, the air defense commander next to the air force commander will for a long time explain who was wise to shoot at such expenses, obviously not a nuclear weapons carrier.

            The problem is not shooting, control. They saw something in the sky - and fire. Paranoia in the degree of shaginess.

            Quote: NIKNN
            Conclusion: BP consumption marginal, but air defense at altitude.


            Alas, Israel’s air defense in this case is deep in the ass.
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      3. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 20 July 2016 08: 01
        +31
        Quote: in addition

        An attempt to intercept the drone from Syria, Israeli air defense. 17.07.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX
        At 17:04 in several settlements located on the Golan Heights sirens sounded warning of rocket fire. Later it became known that the cause of anxiety was the invasion of Israeli airspace by an unmanned aerial vehicle.
        Residents of settlements in the Safed area reported that they witnessed the launch of a missile by an air defense system located in the area ....
        5 hours after the incident, the first results of the incident investigation were published. The IDF press service reported that the IDF’s air forces monitored the object even before it invaded Israeli airspace. After crossing the air border the facility took three attempts bring him down, but not one of them was successful.
        Shrapnel from one of the missiles launched by the Patriot air defense system towards an unmanned vehicle that invaded Israeli airspace fell on the territory of kibbutz Aelet ha-Shahar in the Upper Galilee. The "Reshet Bet" radio station reported that a 14-year-old girl was slightly wounded in the leg by fragments of a rocket ...
        As they write, after unsuccessful attempts to shoot down the UAV with the help of two Patriot air defense missile systems, an air-to-air missile was launched at it from the fighter, but also to no avail. And then he already returned to the Syrian space, as he delved into the Israeli-controlled space at a distance of only 4 km.
        In short, he completely screwed up the Israeli air defense and air force, failing with three attempts to bring down UAVs. And if he drove cartridges was shock? So much for the much-vaunted Iron Dome! These, comrades Jews, are not Palestinian "Qassams", made of scraps of water pipes, to shoot down. High technology rules here smile
        By the way, I only learned from this material that the intruder's drone was manufactured under an Israeli license. In my opinion, the Israelis are stirring up something - they make gesheft out of failure: "Let us crap, but that's how cold milk my cow gives our drones cannot be shot down. " bully
        1. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM 20 July 2016 08: 16
          +39
          The Jews in this message "omitted" the American air defense system, but praised themselves (the drone). It's okay.
          1. Lukich
            Lukich 20 July 2016 08: 47
            +3
            Quote: Andrey NM
            The Jews in this message "omitted" the American air defense system,

            and along with his pilot
            1. drunkram
              drunkram 20 July 2016 09: 00
              +2
              Rather, the plane - F16C
          2. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 20 July 2016 09: 01
            -3
            Quote: Andrew NM
            The Jews in this message "omitted" the American air defense system, but praised themselves (the drone). It's okay.

            In no way did they omit anything. It must be admitted that the Israeli air defense system is poorly adapted to combat small reconnaissance UAVs with low ESR. Since the Israeli anti-aircraft defense for many years was funded on a residual basis. But against aviation, it is quite operational. A year ago, the Su-24 SAA was shot down over the Golan less than minutes after crossing the border. Well, since a new problem has appeared, we will solve it. The budget is not rubber.
            1. uhu189
              uhu189 20 July 2016 09: 26
              +11
              Drones are generally a problem for air defense, not only for Israeli air defense.
            2. aksakal
              aksakal 20 July 2016 10: 33
              +5
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Since the Israeli anti-aircraft defense for many years was funded on a residual basis. But against aviation, it is quite operational. A year ago, the Su-24 SAA was shot down over the Golan less than minutes after crossing the border

              - Well, how do you like Amer’s weapon? Will you modernize air defense again with the Amer Guan? Or, on a mutually beneficial basis, take a look at Russian systems? I think there will not be such a mess with Russian systems. Only if you worked with the Russian military-industrial complex, it wasn’t like it when you decided to take the Be-200, the beats crumpled, they demanded something, they offered some barters, but they didn’t even give the latest, but simply don’t give the Russians away, in short the outdated Israeli they tried to exchange crap in exchange for a good plane, and when the Russians did not fall for it, they took Canadian crap, like, if you take for hard currency, then only from the Anglo-Saxons.
              Here you go Anglo-Saxon sideways, continue in the same vein laughing With such a pace, you would not lose your combat effectiveness, otherwise the Syrians come to their senses, Egypt is actively purchased, it will have Mistrals, and you will be with the Patriot and according to the formula "if the Russians are not being fooled into obvious deception, then only the Anglo -Saxons to shop! " Nude laughing
              1. Professor
                Professor 20 July 2016 10: 43
                .
                Quote: aksakal
                - Well, how do you like Amer’s weapon?

                Fine. They were already shot down and combat aircraft and drones and missiles. Having no taxes in the world, the S-300 never shot down anything.

                Quote: uhu189
                Professor, your F-16s are also "naughty" in Syria, and they also often fly far enough, I think you won't argue with that. Do you think they fly there because they are invulnerable, or is their electronic warfare so effective? Probably, after all, not only exceptionally good relations play a role in this. I do not question the capabilities of Israel's air defense, I'm more about something else.

                You have to understand one obvious thing and everything will fall into place. Russia in Syria is not for long. This is our sandbox.
                1. Andrey NM
                  Andrey NM 20 July 2016 11: 52
                  +13
                  Quote: Professor
                  Fine. They were already shot down and combat aircraft and drones and missiles. Having no taxes in the world, the S-300 never shot down anything.

                  Well then, the S-75 is the height of perfection. No "Patriot" dreamed of how many S-75s were shot down.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 20 July 2016 11: 55
                    +1
                    Quote: Andrey NM
                    Well then, the S-75 is the height of perfection. No "Patriot" dreamed of how many S-75s were shot down.

                    In LA it is.
                2. Yuyuka
                  Yuyuka 20 July 2016 12: 02
                  +13
                  You have to understand one obvious thing and everything will fall into place. Russia in Syria is not for long. This is our sandbox.

                  Yes, we are all on this mortal Earth for a while ... request and it’s not worth pushing. But about the sandbox ... is it purely Jewish arrogance or your personal, age-related - rummaging around in the sand? Do not spoil from scratch, even with words hi

                  pissss pissss. In this sandbox, as well as in the territory of the promised land, there were great civilizations ...
                3. Parsec
                  Parsec 20 July 2016 13: 40
                  +8
                  Quote: Professor
                  Having no taxes in the world, C-300 never shot down anything.


                  Yes, like this, they took it and put it into production from the drawing board, and then they took it into service and kept the main air defense system of the country, which never shot down anything. Centripet, having no idea.

                  Quote: Professor
                  You have to understand one obvious thing and everything will be on your own
                  places. Russia in Syria is not for long. This is our sandbox.


                  That's why you are sitting in this sandbox, squeezed into a corner and rushing at everything, with the call of women for military service and the American help of inhuman scales. And with these gifts such a bummer.

                  You wave ponte, and here people.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 20 July 2016 13: 44
                    -3
                    Quote: Parsec
                    Yes, like this, they took it and put it into production from the drawing board, and then they took it into service and kept the main air defense system of the country, which never shot down anything. Centripet, having no idea.

                    The results of combat use in the studio pliz.

                    Quote: Parsec
                    That's why you are sitting in this sandbox, squeezed into a corner and rushing at everything, with the call of women for military service and the American help of inhuman scales. And with these gifts such a bummer.

                    We are sitting in our sandbox and everyone who tried to get into it was given, we give and we will give in the faces. Whom to call in the army, and who is not, is also our own business.
                    1. Operator
                      Operator 20 July 2016 14: 10
                      +3
                      To the question of whose sandbox Syria is with the Golan, and at the same time Palestine and East Jerusalem within the borders established by the UN, we will return after the election of the isolationist Donald Trump as the President of the United States.
                      It’s not long to wait.
                    2. Parsec
                      Parsec 20 July 2016 14: 20
                      +4
                      Quote: Professor
                      We are sitting in our sandbox


                      Here you sit in it, and do not rattle too much with your tongue, it hurts too much to look like your grandfather at the wedding after the third glass.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 20 July 2016 14: 24
                        -4
                        Quote: Parsec

                        Here you sit in it, and do not rumble too much with your tongue, it hurts so much you look like a grandfather at a wedding after the third glass

                        But the fact that? Do not get off with tomatoes? wink

                        Where did you merge? How is it with the results of the combat use of not having analogues in the world of complexes? lol
                      2. Parsec
                        Parsec 20 July 2016 15: 15
                        +4
                        Quote: Professor
                        But the fact that? Do not get off with tomatoes?


                        In, the fourth shot glass. In aggression and enthusiasm pulled.
                        Granddaughters should appear here and drag the cockerel grandfather into rags until the family is disgraced.

                        It reassures you that you are not the state of Israel, and you will never broadcast on his behalf.

                        Cases of the use of S-300 and S-400 air defense systems in hostilities, to joy, have not been noted. No one was willing to check.
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 20 July 2016 15: 21
                        -7
                        Quote: Parsec
                        Cases of the use of S-300 and S-400 air defense systems in hostilities, to joy, have not been noted.

                        As required.
                        Quote: Professor
                        Having no taxes in the world, C-300 never shot down anything.

                        hi
                      4. Parsec
                        Parsec 20 July 2016 16: 30
                        +3
                        Not knocked down, not knocked down.

                        Sleep now.
                      5. raf
                        raf 20 July 2016 23: 17
                        +2
                        At the professor tongue there will be heartburn if he does not throw kakahu into anything Russian! laughing She is such a Russophobia, nor does she allow her to live peacefully with such pro-professors tongue !
        2. aksakal
          aksakal 20 July 2016 16: 17
          +6
          Quote: Professor
          Having no taxes in the world, C-300 never shot down anything.

          - You are not asked to take a fucking lot right away, take a couple of complexes and try it out. As I understand it, there are enough people who want to check your air defense there, so
          Quote: Professor
          Having no taxes in the world, C-300 never shot down anything.

          - in your conditions, this SAM does not go long in virgins laughing I don’t like what a “lover” this S-300 is, go back to your Patriots, but it seems to me that I will like it ... But I repeat - on mutually beneficial terms - either for money or for normal Israeli development, not shaggy years of release , as we tried with the Be-200, but normal.
        3. bif
          bif 20 July 2016 18: 45
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          Having no taxes in the world, C-300 never shot down anything.

          He shot down and just Israeli planes)
          "Syrian air defense shot down an Israeli F-16 using the Russian S-300 air defense system" http://maxpark.com/community/3782/content/3652323
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 20 July 2016 19: 23
            0
            Quote: bif
            "Syrian air defense shot down the Israeli F-16 using the Russian S-300 air defense system" //maxpark.com/community/3782/content/3652323

            Gee-gee-gee
        4. uhu189
          uhu189 20 July 2016 22: 12
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          You have to understand one obvious thing and everything will fall into place. Russia in Syria is not for long. This is our sandbox.
          It’s hard to judge for a long time or not. Everything in this world is changing. Once Syria was a sandbox of the USSR, now it is essentially a passage yard, Egypt was a sandbox of the USA, now - Saudi Arabia. Therefore, I would not make such bold predictions for the future, although I must admit that now, at the moment, they seem realistic ...
  2. Skubudu
    Skubudu 20 July 2016 11: 17
    +3
    Jewish anti-aircraft defense, of American origin, has been predicted in full.
    Maybe some modern missile defense system was tested on the drone?
    This will chill the Jewish faith in their "magic umbrella".
  • papas-57
    papas-57 20 July 2016 08: 30
    +3
    The vaunted US Patriot system in action. Even a drone cannot shoot down. The best advertisement for Russian and American weapons.
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  • 2s1122
    2s1122 20 July 2016 15: 40
    0
    You made a mistake, most likely, as I think, there is a contract, we do not touch them and they pretend that somewhere it did not grow together to bring down the device.
  • Now we are free
    Now we are free 20 July 2016 08: 15
    +12
    Them ... for myself on the drone and immediately from the Patriot! .. laughing laughing laughing
    Yes, we have this shoe polish ... (cross out) Patriot is like dirt! (Vacations in Prostokvashino)

    P.S. In fact, most likely half-stuffing half-nonsense of the Israeli press, which would have to turn to military experts before publication. Atalif, Professor, Warrior-Wow, do not catch mice! wink
    1. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 21 July 2016 02: 12
      0
      In fact, most likely half-stuffing half-nonsense of the Israeli press, which would have to turn to military experts before publication.


      The situation is not clear. The first stuffing from Reuters was. 2 patriots. Then a chain reaction began. Someone added an F-16. IDF (IDF) announced that they did not shoot. It looks like the military said only one thing - the Russian UAV and no longer commented.
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  • Monos
    Monos 20 July 2016 08: 25
    +7
    I flew to see my relatives. And the Patriots don't seem to work for small targets. So the "hole" appeared.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 20 July 2016 08: 34
      +5
      Quote: Monos
      And the Patriots don't seem to work for small targets. So the "hole" appeared.
      This is not a "hole", this is a hole. What is he in fig "small-sized"? The "Outpost" (if it was it) has a wingspan greater than that of the MiG-21 (8,5 m versus 7 m) and take-off weight of almost half a ton.
      1. igor67
        igor67 20 July 2016 09: 38
        -7
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Quote: Monos
        And the Patriots don't seem to work for small targets. So the "hole" appeared.
        This is not a "hole", this is a hole. What is he in fig "small-sized"? The "Outpost" (if it was it) has a wingspan greater than that of the MiG-21 (8,5 m versus 7 m) and take-off weight of almost half a ton.

        Two years ago, the same system shot down the si24 over the Golan, and now the rockets exploded without reaching the Golan. Israeli air defense shot down a Syrian air force plane in the Golan Heights
        Israeli air defense was shot down this morning by the Syrian Air Force front-line bomber SU-24, which entered Israeli airspace over the border region of the Golan Heights, according to Ynet.

        After the aircraft was discovered by an Israeli air defense radar in its direction, one Patriot missile was fired. Damaged object. The fate of the pilot remains unknown.

        According to preliminary data, the Syrian SU-24 pilot intended to bomb Islamist rebel positions in the Kuneitra checkpoint area. It is noted that this is the first enemy aircraft shot down since 1985.

        The press service of the Syrian army informed that "Israel supports the terrorist organizations ISIS and Jabat al-Nusra." The destruction of the Syrian Air Force plane confirms this conclusion, "the message says.

        Residents of Safed told Ynet that the strike on the Syrian plane caused a lot of noise in the border areas of Israel. "I am not afraid of the penetration of Syrian aircraft into Israel. I feel great gratitude and pride for the swift and precise actions of Israel's air defense," said one of the residents of Safed.

        Orbita.co.il 23.09.2014/11/19 XNUMX:XNUMX
        1. Skubudu
          Skubudu 20 July 2016 11: 29
          -1
          As soon as Israel was overwhelmed, the newly-minted Jews of the Ukrainian spill rushed to the VO to defend Jewish values
  • vkl.47
    vkl.47 20 July 2016 08: 00
    +4
    development of electronic warfare is possible. type 《lever-y》 in miniature
    1. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 20 July 2016 09: 58
      +1
      not excluded .... laughing
  • Pavel1
    Pavel1 20 July 2016 08: 04
    +2
    Israeli media: Forpost Russian UAV entered Israeli airspace


    the boss is gone, the plaster is removed, the client leaves, I will kill him, I will kill him ...
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 20 July 2016 08: 10
      -6
      An outdated Israeli drone entered the airspace of Israel. So what’s wrong with that? I see no reason for a sensation.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 July 2016 08: 24
        +6
        Quote: Basarev
        An outdated Israeli drone entered the airspace of Israel. So what’s wrong with that? N

        It is immediately clear that he did not read further than the headline. That's right, well done lol
  • Andrey K
    Andrey K 20 July 2016 07: 34
    +17
    Moreover, the air borders of Israel in this case refers to the airspace over the Golan Heights.

    Wishful thinking is given. That would be written - the Russian UAV, flown over the Golan Heights occupied by Israel ...
    ... experts are inclined to believe that initially the Israeli military decided that an Iranian drone entered the airspace of the Golan Heights. Then, having established the Russian affiliation of the UAV, “the drone was given the opportunity to return to Syria” ...

    In general, a masterpiece - well, it would be shot down, "they did not give the opportunity return to Syria (Strange - and the Golan Heights are not legally Syrian? What does UN Security Council Resolution 497 say about this?) ".
    Like the very ones - who both want and prick ... And if there is nothing to present, since the snout is in the cannon themselves, then there is nothing to start a pointless fuss ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 July 2016 07: 46
      +6
      Quote: Andrey K
      Wishful thinking is given.

      The Gollans are now behind Israel and they will not give them to anyone.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 20 July 2016 08: 01
        +14
        Alexander Romanov hi
        The Gollans are now behind Israel and they will not give them to anyone.
        It’s they who haven’t asked for these heights by any adult bully
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 July 2016 08: 26
          +6
          Quote: Observer2014
          It’s they who haven’t asked for these heights by any adult

          And who can ask there? Now there’s no one even politely asking.
        2. Professor
          Professor 20 July 2016 08: 46
          -3
          Quote: Observer2014
          It’s they who haven’t asked for these heights by any adult

          They asked in 1973 and nearly lost Damascus. And to those who doubt that the Golan (what are they called in Arabic?) Israeli recommend trying to fly over them and take a walk from abroad.

          Lovers of fairy tales about "bookmarks". Where are they? wink
          This whole drone story is murky. The Patriots did not fly. An air-to-air missile (and there was no gun on the F-16?) Missed. The Apaches were taken away. The volcano was not fired upon, the LCD was not used. Circus and nothing more. fellow

          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 20 July 2016 08: 52
            +6
            Quote: Professor
            Circus and only.

            Hello Professor! hi Waiting for your opinion. Well, if you are in a mess request ...
          2. Gorinich
            Gorinich 20 July 2016 08: 54
            +5
            Indeed, a circus, the impression is that yours did not expect that anyone could fly into Israel.
            1. Ami du peuple
              Ami du peuple 20 July 2016 09: 08
              +2
              Quote: Gorinich
              that yours didn’t expect that anyone could fly into Israel.
              How to say. If the UAV really "went deeper into the Israeli-controlled space at a distance of only 4 km", then it was over the territory of Israel at least 2-3 minutes, and during this time, two launches from the Patriot were made on it, plus it was attacked by a fighter that needed more aim. In my opinion, a decent responsiveness.
            2. igor67
              igor67 20 July 2016 09: 08
              -3
              Quote: Gorinich
              Indeed, a circus, the impression is that yours did not expect that anyone could fly into Israel.

              Nonsense, two years ago the same complex in our city was shot down by the Syrian SU24, but here it’s really not clear the missiles took off and immediately exploded, fell on a kibbutz which is located if in a straight line three kilometers from Safed, they still didn’t reach the Golan Heights yet kilometers ten, so I think it’s self-destruction, I don’t like to naughty the Patriot for a small drone, is it not expensive, and so the taxes are not weak
              1. Professor
                Professor 20 July 2016 09: 13
                +3
                Quote: igor67
                I don’t like another thing for a small drone to naughty with a Patriot, is it not expensive, and so taxes are not weak

                1. Patriots require expensive disposal. They are cheaper to shoot.
                2. Taxes are reduced from January 1. wink
                The Ministry of Finance announced a reduction in salary tax to 20.000 shekels
                1. igor67
                  igor67 20 July 2016 09: 28
                  0
                  [quote = professor] [quote = igor67] I don’t like to naughty the Patriot for a small drone, is it not expensive, and so the taxes are not weak [/ quote]
                  1. Patriots require expensive disposal. They are cheaper to shoot.
                  2. Taxes are reduced from January 1. wink
                  Good Ministry of Finance, I’m trying to find a video, many filmed, my parents live in 200-3000 meters, I was very scared from this complex
                  1. Alex_Tug
                    Alex_Tug 21 July 2016 02: 32
                    +1
                    Good Ministry of Finance, I try to find a video, many filmed


                    Do not strain. In the internet there. (I don’t know on YouTube, I saw it in the Israeli press. At least one exploded a few seconds after the start)
                2. AID.S
                  AID.S 20 July 2016 09: 36
                  +2
                  Quote: Professor
                  1. Patriots require expensive disposal. They are cheaper to shoot.
                  2. Taxes are reduced from January 1.
                  The Ministry of Finance announced a reduction in salary tax to 20.000 shekels

                  So it means the same! smile
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 20 July 2016 09: 39
                    -2
                    Quote: AID.S
                    So it means the same!

                    Of course I’m overworked. GDP growth for the quarter 1.7%. Why not overpower? wink
                    1. Muvka
                      Muvka 20 July 2016 09: 48
                      +1
                      Quote: Professor
                      Quote: AID.S
                      So it means the same!

                      Of course I’m overworked. GDP growth for the quarter 1.7%. Why not overpower? wink

                      We also started acceleration, do not worry:
                      On July 15, the Federal State Statistics Service published data “On Industrial Production in the 1st Half of 2016”.
                      According to these data, Russian industry overcame the recession and began to grow. If in the 1st quarter of 2016 there was still a decline in industrial production compared to the same period last year (99,4%), then industrial production indices in the 2nd quarter are characterized by growing positive values:
                      - April - 100,5%,
                      - May - 100,7%
                      - June - 101,7%.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 20 July 2016 10: 05
                        -1
                        Quote: Muvka
                        We also started acceleration, do not worry:

                        I'm happy for you. By the way, are you aware that if the economy fell by, say, 5%, then in order for it to rise to the previous level, then it needs to grow by more than 5%?
                      2. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 20 July 2016 10: 10
                        +8
                        And how do you comment on this -
                        "Israeli defense concerns have begun preparations for massive layoffs of employees in connection with the upcoming reduction in the volume of orders from the Israel Defense Forces and the Ministry of Defense.

                        According to Barbara Opal-Rum, head of the Israeli bureau of the Defense News publication, the ministry of defense and the leadership of defense concerns have come to terms with the fact that Israel will be forced to spend a new package of US military assistance only in the United States.

                        Recall that the expiring ten-year agreement allowed Israel to spend up to 25% of the $ 30 billion in assistance in placing orders with Israeli manufacturers. Despite all the efforts of the government, the new agreement will most likely cancel this right, which will lead to the loss of guaranteed orders by the Israeli industry in the amount of $ 7,5 billion over 10 years (an average of $ 750 million per year).

                        According to Defense News, the current US proposal is $ 38 billion for a period of 10 years ($ 3,8 billion per year), including the addition of funding for joint missile defense systems, which have so far been funded separately. At the same time, Israel undertakes to refuse applications to Congress for additional assistance for the needs of missile defense. Only funds intended for missile defense systems or for projects negotiated separately can be used in Israel.

                        The process will take place gradually to allow Israeli corporations to adapt to the new realities. "
                      3. aksakal
                        aksakal 20 July 2016 21: 30
                        +4
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        The process will take place gradually to enable Israeli corporations to adapt to new realities.

                        - Well, how to adapt? Like the Russians in their time, in the dashing 90s, they had to earn extra money - to develop PantsirS1 for the UAE, Hashim grenade launcher for Jordanians, Antey-2500 air defense missile system for South Koreans, and much, much more. Now, the arrogance of the Israelis will fly up, here they were pretending to be "we will not sell the latest UAV developments to anyone!", Send Shoigu away right at the exhibition when he approached them with a proposal, and now not only not to sell, but to develop even more new will be for the same Russians. The choice for the Jews is extremely simple - either to earn extra money, or even to lose their competencies. laughing Moreover, in order not to anger those who help Jews in this way, this cooperation can either be kept secret, put on cooperation in civilian UAVs, or somehow combine all this ... Amers will be tormented by vague doubts, but without obvious evidence they can not harm it much.
                        For UAVs, especially for shock and reconnaissance-strike ones, the backlog of Russia is already critical - in Syria, in the same Syrian Air Force, if there were a sufficient number of such UAVs, it would be more efficient, much cheaper. After all, UAVs can stay in the air for a long time, in this case they could patrol the direction that is especially dangerous for the attack and destroy the martyrs. Shahidmobili proved to be quite effective for breaking through the defense, it is difficult enough to destroy, especially if it is armored. An impact UAV with a high-precision missile would be quite appropriate here.
                      4. Alex_Tug
                        Alex_Tug 21 July 2016 02: 49
                        0
                        Shahidmobili proved to be quite effective for breaking through the defense, it is difficult enough to destroy, especially if it is armored. An impact UAV with a high-precision missile would be quite appropriate here.


                        Somehow sewed on soap. a high-precision rocket costs like 3 martyrs. (rocket pricing order for the Predator)
                      5. aksakal
                        aksakal 21 July 2016 20: 34
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex_Tug
                        Somehow sewed on soap. a high-precision rocket costs like 3 martyrs. (rocket pricing order for the Predator)

                        - here you need to assess the damage that the shahidmobile can inflict. For example, where the Russian Marine died, the Shahidmobile demolished three jeeps and a tank in the appendage. Not feeble damage for a cheap shahidmobile. Well, ok, you can hang a good cannon on the UAV, but it's not less than 57 mm in caliber and with a rate of fire of not less than 100 rounds per minute. Are such systems compact enough? If not, then there is no alternative to rockets. Secondly, a bunch of obsolete Malyutka anti-tank systems lies in the warehouses and awaits disposal. That would be disposed of like this. True, you need a skill to manage "babies", but it's not the gods who burn pots
                      6. Alex_Tug
                        Alex_Tug 21 July 2016 21: 35
                        0
                        here it is necessary to assess the damage that a shahidmobile can cause. For example, where the Russian marine died, the shahidmobil demolished three jeeps and a tank in the appendage.

                        - In this context, it is unlikely that a drone would patrol in the air with the aim of shooting an abstract shahidmobile. He can be there if there is infa about the impending terrorist attack using a martyr’s car.
                        - The CIA shoots at a car. Usually when hunting for a specific person. Those. end justifies the means.
              2. Alex_Tug
                Alex_Tug 21 July 2016 02: 34
                -1
                if the economy fell by say 5% then what would it rise to the previous level, then it needs to grow by more than 5%?


                like before and at school taught mathematics.
              3. Professor
                Professor 21 July 2016 07: 55
                0
                Quote: Alex_Tug
                like before and at school taught mathematics.

                Well, and what is the correct answer? wink
              4. Alex_Tug
                Alex_Tug 21 July 2016 13: 13
                +1
                if the economy fell by say 5% then what would it rise to the previous level, then it needs to grow by more than 5%?

                Well, and what is the correct answer?


                sum = 0.95 sum + y * 0.95 sum
                y = 0.05 sum / 0.95 sum = 5.3%
              5. Professor
                Professor 21 July 2016 13: 17
                0
                Quote: Alex_Tug
                y = 0.05 sum / 0.95 sum = 5.3%

                Right. good For those who are too lazy to explain explain on the fingers. If the economy dipped by 5%, then it is not enough to return to the initial level of recovery by the same 5%.
      2. iwind
        iwind 20 July 2016 10: 20
        +6
        This is not GDP. And pr industrial production has nuances. Here the effect of a low base is still oh how far. up to 2014 indicator yet. June was the peak fall.
        Production index by type of activity "Manufacturing" in July 2015 compared to the corresponding period of the previous year amounted to 92,9%, in January-July 2015 - 95,1%.

        With such a drop, growth of 1,6 percent in manufacturing. Is very small.
        While the promise of the population to achieve stable growth is extremely difficult, the consumption of goods is falling.
        "The real incomes of the population of Russia in June decreased by 4,8% compared to June 2015. This was reported by the Federal State Statistics Service (Rosstat). According to it, in the first half of 2016, the drop in incomes of the population in annual terms was 5%(!!! speed is growing). Last June, the real disposable income of the population decreased in annual terms by 4,2%, and for the first half of the year - on 3,7%. A month ago, Rosstat reported a drop in real incomes of the population for January-May by 4,9% (!) compared to the first five months of 2015 (which was also a very bad month in 2015). Read on: http://izvestia.ru/news/622997#ixzz4EsqZObck "
        Rosstat: Retail turnover in June 2016 decreased by 5,9%
        http://www.finam.ru/analysis/newsitem/rosstat-oborot-roznichnoiy-torgovli-v-iyun
        e-2016-goda-snizilsya-na-5-9-20160719-162141/
        As a result, orders for the production of light industrial, and in difficult places, too fall (construction and related industries in pop .. in a deep crisis.)
        PS Why, I wrote this, this process has already been going on for 2 years, the reaction from the government is zero ...
      3. Muvka
        Muvka 20 July 2016 11: 28
        +4
        Quote: iwind
        This is not GDP. And pr industrial production has nuances. Here the effect of a low base is still oh how far. up to 2014 indicator yet. June was the peak fall.
        Production index by type of activity "Manufacturing" in July 2015 compared to the corresponding period of the previous year amounted to 92,9%, in January-July 2015 - 95,1%.

        With such a drop, growth of 1,6 percent in manufacturing. Is very small.
        While the promise of the population to achieve stable growth is extremely difficult, the consumption of goods is falling.
        "The real incomes of the population of Russia in June decreased by 4,8% compared to June 2015. This was reported by the Federal State Statistics Service (Rosstat). According to it, in the first half of 2016, the drop in incomes of the population in annual terms was 5%(!!! speed is growing). Last June, the real disposable income of the population decreased in annual terms by 4,2%, and for the first half of the year - on 3,7%. A month ago, Rosstat reported a drop in real incomes of the population for January-May by 4,9% (!) compared to the first five months of 2015 (which was also a very bad month in 2015). Read on: http://izvestia.ru/news/622997#ixzz4EsqZObck "
        Rosstat: Retail turnover in June 2016 decreased by 5,9%
        http://www.finam.ru/analysis/newsitem/rosstat-oborot-roznichnoiy-torgovli-v-iyun


        e-2016-goda-snizilsya-na-5-9-20160719-162141/
        As a result, orders for the production of light industrial, and in difficult places, too fall (construction and related industries in pop .. in a deep crisis.)
        PS Why, I wrote this, this process has already been going on for 2 years, the reaction from the government is zero ...

        And I'm talking about the dynamics. Prior to this, industrial production only fell. And now it’s growing and not sickly. About S / X, I'm generally silent. My parents went to the monument in the Oryol region yesterday. While riding weary. Everything is seeded, beauty. We met with a local farmer, brought trophies in the form of cream, ears and potatoes. We in Ivanovo have a lot of ownerless land, and there apparently is not enough land. But even in our depressed region, sown areas have been increasing in recent years. Just a story from life :)
        And the main thing is the dynamics.
  • DMB_95
    DMB_95 20 July 2016 09: 45
    +5
    The fact that the drone was not able to shoot down two Patriot missiles and a missile from the F-16 may well indicate the use of some kind of Russian electronic warfare system against them. Tests in combat conditions on an enemy with modern US weapons were successful.
    1. ML-334
      ML-334 20 July 2016 18: 14
      0
      I think the air defense is excellent, in 1.5 minutes three missile launches, and electronic warfare is a different story.
      1. Parsec
        Parsec 20 July 2016 19: 27
        -1
        Quote: ML-334
        I think the air defense is excellent, in 1.5 minutes three missile launches,

        but it’s not next to the MLRS, huh?
  • Parsec
    Parsec 20 July 2016 14: 26
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    1. Patriots require expensive disposal. They are cheaper to shoot


    For an aerial target, guarded around the world?

    How do you lie unpretentious.
    1. Professor
      Professor 20 July 2016 14: 35
      0
      Quote: Parsec
      For an aerial target, guarded around the world?

      How do you lie unpretentious.


      US officer sends data on missile deal with Israel to the wrong e-mail

      According to a copy of an email posted by gawker.com, Israel sought American help to recycle the old Patriot air defense missiles delivered by the United States during the Gulf War.

      From the correspondence it follows that the IDF wants to remove warheads from missiles, and then dispose of them. Some missiles without warheads are planned to be used for exercises.
      1. Operator
        Operator 20 July 2016 14: 40
        +2
        Then send another letter "to the wrong e-mail" about the urgent disposal of the Sidewinder laughing
  • Lukich
    Lukich 20 July 2016 08: 56
    +10
    Quote: Professor
    An air-to-air missile (and there was no gun on the F-16?) Missed.

    Russian MIG downs Georgian drone.
    1. Professor
      Professor 20 July 2016 08: 59
      -3
      Quote: Lukich
      Russian MIG downs Georgian drone.

      The Russian Foreign Ministry said that this video is fake. Lied?

      Quote: Gorinich
      Indeed, a circus, the impression is that yours did not expect that anyone could fly into Israel.

      Waited and shot down already. What happened there this time is not clear. In an extreme case, Tsahal no one pulled the tongue to talk about the incident at all. Would want and kept silent.
      1. Karelof
        Karelof 20 July 2016 10: 05
        +3
        Quote: Professor

        The Russian Foreign Ministry said that this video is fake. Lied?

        Why not? In politics, this is all the time.
        1. Professor
          Professor 20 July 2016 10: 08
          -3
          Quote: Karelof
          Why not? In politics, this is all the time.

          The Russian Foreign Ministry never lies.
          1. DMB_95
            DMB_95 20 July 2016 10: 38
            +5
            Quote: Professor

            The Russian Foreign Ministry never lies.

            You underestimate our Foreign Ministry. Only the incompetent Foreign Ministry never lies. bully
      2. Lukich
        Lukich 20 July 2016 10: 44
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        The Russian Foreign Ministry said that this video is fake. Lied?

        I have no idea. request but why say so if it was during the conflict on 08.08.08?
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 20 July 2016 09: 22
    +4
    Professor hi No respected, this is not a test. Now, if Israel were rolled out what Russia now. Probably the Ministry of Emergency Situations did not like charter flights to Birobidzhan from Israel. And the whole "road of life" had to be opened laughing
    In general, these heights play an important role for the security of Israel. From these heights, radars probe the approaches to the country. So we understand you perfectly. hi
    1. Professor
      Professor 20 July 2016 09: 27
      +1
      Turkey didn't even get off with tomatoes, would we have to improve the "road of life"? How, how. By the way, Jews in the Jewish Autonomous Region are less than one percent. One name remained. All of them can be taken out on ONE jumbo flight.

      Those who doubt the Israeli sovereignty of the Golan recommend personally checking this. wink
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 20 July 2016 13: 23
        +4
        Professor (6)
        Turkey didn't even get off with tomatoes, would we have to improve the "road of life"? How, how. By the way, Jews in the Jewish Autonomous Region are less than one percent. One name remained. All of them can be taken out on ONE jumbo flight.
        You see, dear "professor", how all the same And Stalin was a far-sighted politician! What exactly there and not in the Crimea, for example, placed the Jewish Autonomous Region! The region seems to exist, but you seem to be absent. But all the same, the site was staked out. And then suddenly the market conjuncture and the geopolitical situation will change. bully
        1. Professor
          Professor 20 July 2016 13: 28
          -3
          Quote: Observer2014
          But all the same, the site was staked out, and then suddenly the market conditions and the geopolitical situation will change.

          North America is much more preferable. wink

          You would take care of your suitcase moods.
          A quarter of citizens thought about emigration
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 20 July 2016 14: 37
            +4
            "professor" quote
            North America is much more preferable

            So it is of course, now it’s preferable that no one argues. But still, the market situation and the geopolitical situation will change. You will fly there, but in the sense of America there is no where. The spill of the name of Comrade Stalin with a gentle warm breeze rolls onto the Mexican coast repeat So the Birobidzhan taiga mosquitoes are better than without financial and economic support in the desert with a bunch of "well-wishers" around. laughing
          2. aksakal
            aksakal 20 July 2016 21: 48
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            North America is much more preferable. wink

            Nu-nu, in response to the police chaos, African-Americans had snipers - former marines, apparently, the training was quite at their level, they already put a bunch of cops. Warm up gone? And if you help to warm it all up? Although, apparently, it is warming itself up without assistance laughing Professor, are you white? You are unlikely to like this in America in such matters, especially since you yourself are prone to intolerant towards color (you somehow spoke out in a bad spirit about blacks) laughing Well, no, welcome all the same to Birobidzhan, a cozy city in the tropics of Siberia laughing
            1. Professor
              Professor 21 July 2016 07: 56
              -1
              Quote: aksakal
              Nu-nu, in response to the police chaos, African-Americans had snipers - former marines, apparently, the training was quite at their level, they already put a bunch of cops. Warm up gone?

              In your country in Kazakhstan, I see, too, "the warm-up has begun. Do blacks shoot the police?"
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 21 July 2016 20: 24
                0
                Quote: Professor
                In your country in Kazakhstan, I see, too, "the warm-up has begun. Do blacks shoot the police?"

                - It’s hard to deny that I didn’t invite you to Kazakhstan laughing
  • Andrey K
    Andrey K 20 July 2016 09: 26
    +16
    Quote: Professor

    ... asked in 1973 and nearly lost Damascus ...

    Are you a witness as in 1973 "asked"?
    Ali is so ... just to put it simply ... I’ve probably cursed the Zionists in the USSR and rallies in support of Hafiz Assad. Defender You are ours, originally Jewish laughing
    And to those who doubt that the Golan (what are they called in Arabic?) Israeli

    So why are you pissed, if my memory serves me, a month ago you said with foam that you were quietly blotting with Arabs ... As usual, they hung noodles ... Ai-ya-yainegative
    هضبة الجولان - Golan Heights (trouble, I don’t know Arabic myself) hi
    I recommend trying to fly over them and take a walk from abroad ...

    Well, that's what the article is about, all according to your recommendations. We tried, flew as requested - "from abroad." The result - the Jewish air defenses screwed up and reported that they could not shoot down the UAV, tk. it is kosher laughing
    1. Professor
      Professor 20 July 2016 09: 36
      -1
      Quote: Andrey K
      You are a witness as in 1973 "asked"

      Did the quick reaction couch pull up?

      I do not need to witness how the Syrians kicked their ass in 1973. Golan with us. Also, I do not need to witness how they kicked Germany’s ass in 1945. The facts are undeniable.

      Quote: Andrey K
      هضبة الجولان - Golan Heights (trouble, I don’t know Arabic myself)

      So how is the Golan in Arabic? Correctly "Golan" -هضبة الجولان. Is there even an Arabic name for Golan? wink

      Quote: Andrey K
      Well, that's what the article is about, all according to your recommendations. We tried, flew as requested - "from abroad"
      Result - Jewish air defense screwed up and reported that they could not bring down the UAV, because it is kosher

      And you are not a drone, you send something serious and count on Vova’s good relations with Bibi, otherwise it will work like a Su-24. wink
      1. Operator
        Operator 20 July 2016 09: 48
        +6
        Thank you for the invitation: MLRS "Smerch" ordered - "then we go to you" (C) bully
        1. Professor
          Professor 20 July 2016 09: 59
          -1
          Quote: Operator
          Thank you for the invitation: MLRS "Smerch" ordered - "then we go to you" (C) bully

          Why are you so petty? Let’s immediately with Topol. wink

          PS
          Erdogan said he did not apologize to Russia for the downed plane. "It's too late," the Kremlin said, "We've already forgiven."
          1. faridg7
            faridg7 20 July 2016 12: 41
            +2
            Well, Professor, do not exaggerate the significance and size of Israel. Poplars are not assigned to you by status. It will be greasy. For all this sandbox, I think a couple of brigades of iskanders will be enough for the most reluctant. And about forgiveness, even if the Kremlin was forgiven, the Kremlin is not the whole of Russia. The Turks will go on drying for a long time. I don’t have the opportunity to annoy them directly, so I will definitely annoy those who deal with them. Tourist, went to Turkey - I do not want to know you.
            1. Professor
              Professor 20 July 2016 13: 25
              +1
              Quote: faridg7
              Well, Professor, do not exaggerate the significance and size of Israel. Poplars are not assigned to you by status. It will be greasy. For all this sandbox, I think a couple of brigades of iskanders will be enough for the most reluctant.

              Well, thank God at least the Iskanders, otherwise the MLRS scared.

              Quote: faridg7
              And about forgiveness, even if the Kremlin was forgiven, the Kremlin is not the whole of Russia. The Turks will go on drying for a long time.

              That is why the Russians lined up to fly to Turkey? Revenge? laughing
              1. faridg7
                faridg7 20 July 2016 14: 43
                +2
                Well, the MLRS is not enough for you, and it’s not the Russians who have lined up, but a cockroach ailment, which happens on the drum what and where, if only its own carcass were warm and holi. Although, who knows, maybe someone with revenge there
      2. PN
        PN 20 July 2016 09: 59
        +6
        More seriously, it will fly in hypersound and without pilots. And it boasts that not a new combat aircraft was shot down ... this is not serious.
        1. Professor
          Professor 20 July 2016 10: 10
          -4
          Quote: PN
          More seriously, it will fly in hypersound and without pilots. And it boasts that not a new combat aircraft was shot down ... this is not serious.

          What flew it and shot down. They shot down both drones (video above) and rockets. They will bring down the next time. And the old woman is a slammer.
      3. black
        black 20 July 2016 10: 07
        +4
        Quote: Professor
        You send something serious and count on Vova’s good relations with Bibi,

        Here, you professor, the order of words mixed up a little. This Bibi should behave quietly and count on a good attitude towards him, Vladimir Vladimirovich. In the current geopolitical situation, flipping tongues, letters and flags in vain is not safe. Twice, on a call from the Kremlin, drones refused to sell to Ukraine? They refused. Her priest, she is known to be closer to the body. Common sense defeated gesheft.
        1. Professor
          Professor 20 July 2016 10: 15
          -8
          Quote: black
          Here, you professor, the order of words mixed up a little. This Bibi should behave quietly and count on a good attitude towards him, Vladimir Vladimirovich. In the current geopolitical situation, flipping tongues, letters and flags in vain is not safe. Twice, on a call from the Kremlin, drones refused to sell to Ukraine? They refused. Her priest, she is known to be closer to the body. Common sense defeated gesheft.

          Yes Yes. We saw how Turkey didn’t even get off with tomatoes. And your bomber flown to us, and not vice versa, was not shot down solely thanks to Bibi.
          1. Operator
            Operator 20 July 2016 10: 35
            +3
            Do you want to say that Bibi got around and did not have time to answer when he was informed about the Su-24 flight in the Israeli air defense zone? laughing
          2. uhu189
            uhu189 20 July 2016 10: 36
            +7
            Professor, your F-16s are also "naughty" in Syria, and they also often fly far enough, I think you won't argue with that. Do you think they fly there because they are invulnerable, or is their electronic warfare so effective? Probably, after all, not only exceptionally good relations play a role in this. I do not question the capabilities of Israel's air defense, I'm more about something else.
        2. Shark Lover
          Shark Lover 20 July 2016 13: 33
          +3
          What are you so attached to a person (professor)? A man has found his homeland (although the size of our beach near Vladik), proud of her, proud of her successes (they shot down a plane, and again they shot a Arabs into a Arabs. He would have lived in Birik right now, like many, had a store, and here was his homeland! !!
      4. Andrey K
        Andrey K 20 July 2016 10: 18
        +9
        Quote: Professor
        Did the quick reaction couch pull up?

        Phew ... How did it go. Do you judge by yourself?
        Well, if there are also sofa ones, I deserve it. I am in retirement, I have served my own for the good of my Motherland - Russia. Now I sit on the couch and read how you periodically change direction in flight. Unlike some (I will not point a finger), I did not repatriate - and in fact did not turn into a tumbleweed and do not prove that I am a greater "patriot" than the natives who grew up on these lands hi
        I do not need to witness how the Syrians kicked their ass in 1973. Golan with us. Also, I do not need to witness how they kicked Germany’s ass in 1945. The facts are undeniable.

        Golan under occupation, not yours ... Do not dispose of the skin of an unkilled bearrequest
        So how is the Golan in Arabic? Correctly "Golan" -هضبة الجولان. Is there even an Arabic name for Golan?

        Well, you know this, I'm not interested ...
        And you are not a drone, you send something serious and count on Vova’s good relations with Bibi, otherwise it will work like a Su-24.

        But is it necessary, Russia, to send something serious there? Syrians stand on their feet and send laughing
        PS And what does your uncle Vova and some other nickname have to do with it? What are you dear about? If you so wanted to respond to the red words about the heads of state, then you don’t need request
        You wanted to tell me something about Netanyahu's regular trips to Putin, to the Kremlin? What for? Well, he drives, begs for an "engine" in Syria so that Israel does not lose face ...
        1. Professor
          Professor 20 July 2016 10: 36
          -3
          Quote: Andrey K
          Phew ... How did it go. Do you judge by yourself?

          Not. I perfectly understand who I'm dealing with.

          Quote: Andrey K
          olans under occupation, not yours ... Do not dispose of the skin of an unkilled bear

          We are not interested in your opinion regarding their legal status. Our golan. Do not believe? Check it out.

          Quote: Andrey K
          Well, you know this, I'm not interested ...

          I conducted an educational program for you. Golan is a Hebrew name. The Arabs did not even have time to come up with their name for those 20 years when they occupied our Golan.

          Quote: Andrey K
          But is it necessary, Russia, to send something serious there? Syrians stand on their feet and send

          That's it. You have nothing to climb there. The Syrians raked a couple of times and did not climb for the last 40 years.

          Quote: Andrey K
          And about the Su-24 - is this also Jewish work? What are you talking about here?

          Shiver it you, and I write. Tsahal did not begin to bring down your Su-24 flown to us.
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 20 July 2016 10: 53
            +8
            Quote: Professor
            Not. I perfectly understand who I'm dealing with.

            Understood - would bite a broomstick.
            We are not interested in your opinion regarding their legal status. Our golan. Do not believe? Check it out.

            And this is not my opinion. Learn the materiel. This is the opinion of the UN Security Council laughing
            Who is this for us? The returnees who were resettled along the perimeter of the borders of Israel?
            I agree. You are not interested in other opinions, because your own skin is at stake - but the Syrians (Palestinians) will come under the knee, from their lands request
            I conducted an educational program for you. Golan is a Hebrew name. The Arabs did not even have time to come up with their name for those 20 years when they occupied our Golan.

            Try to conduct an educational program for your neighbors, and it would not hurt you to read the materiel about the new "Motherland". Especially in the part: "...when they occupied our Golan... "... Yours are just boogers in the nose, and everything else is Palestine. You live in a foreign land and eat foreign bread while you are allowed hi
            That's it. You have nothing to climb there. The Syrians raked a couple of times and did not climb for the last 40 years.

            Your mouse fuss is your mouse fuss, Russia is really not interested in itrequest
            Shiver it you, and I write. Tsahal did not begin to bring down your Su-24 flown to us.

            Tsahal did not shoot down, as in response Tsahal would have remained without the Air Force laughing
            1. Professor
              Professor 20 July 2016 11: 00
              -4
              Quote: Andrey K

              Understood - would bite a broomstick.

              Rude again?

              Quote: Andrey K
              And this is not my opinion. Learn the materiel. This is the opinion of the UN Security Council

              We did not ask their opinions as well as yours.

              Quote: Andrey K
              Try to conduct an educational program for your neighbors and it would not hurt you to read the materiel about the new "Motherland". Especially in the part: "... when they occupied our Golan ..." ... Yours are just boogers in the nose, and everything else is Palestine. You live in a foreign land and eat someone else's bread as long as you are allowed to

              I know when they occupied our Golan. I don’t need to tell about this. But if you are interested, I can give you an educational program.

              Quote: Andrey K
              Your mouse fuss is your mouse fuss, Russia is really not interested in it

              Not true. The USSR was constantly climbing here, losing both its materiel and personnel. Now Russia is stepping on the same rake. Bangladesh is really not interested in Russia.

              Quote: Andrey K
              Tsahal did not shoot down, as in response Tsahal would have remained without the Air Force

              Yeah. As in 1967, in 1973 and in 1982. wink Turkey didn’t even get off with tomatoes, not even without the Air Force.
              1. Andrey K
                Andrey K 20 July 2016 11: 10
                +10
                Quote: Professor
                Rude again?

                Oh, this Jewish habit of translating arrows laughing
                We did not ask their opinions as well as yours.

                As well as your opinion, nobody cares. And get into your nook, while adult uncles are not up to you laughing
                I know when they occupied our Golan. I don’t need to tell about this. But if you are interested, I can give you an educational program.

                Do not impose, on the 20th numbers I do not serve laughing
                ... Turkey didn’t even get off with tomatoes, not only without the Air Force ...

                Do you have problems with tomatoes? You looped laughing
              2. Professor
                Professor 20 July 2016 11: 17
                0
                Quote: Andrey K
                Oh, this Jewish habit of translating arrows

                I'm not interested in what nationality and religion you are. I am also not interested in the habits attributed to your nationality and your religion.

                Quote: Andrey K
                Do you have problems with tomatoes? You looped

                You first deal with Turkish tomatoes, and only then threaten others. So understandable?
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              4. Professor
                Professor 20 July 2016 12: 25
                0
                Quote: Andrey K
                Have I personally discussed you somewhere? Or maybe I touched your religion somewhere, well, at least in a word?

                Quote: Andrey K
                Oh this Jewish the habit of translating arrows

                Split personality?

                Quote: Andrey K
                I am Russian, I live in Russia, in the city of Samara.

                Quote: Andrey K
                I am Orthodox

                Me not I wonder what nationality and religion you are. Me too not Interesting habits attributed to your nationality and your religion.

                Quote: Andrey K
                And you see a threat in tomatoes, therefore, through a word about them you’ll

                This is your guarantor. wink


                PS
                Never threaten if not capable of realizing these threats.
              5. Andrey K
                Andrey K 20 July 2016 12: 41
                +6
                Quote: Professor
                Oh, this Jewish habit of translating arrows

                Split personality?

                I already told you - you have a mania: include an offense laughing
                Where in my phrase, an indication of you and your religious feelings. And you concoct a moderator a whip, at you it is put on a stream. Maybe he will find somewhere a contradiction with the law. hi
                Never threaten if not capable of realizing these threats.

                You wishful thinking (regarding the existence of threats and a reason for your next complaint). And there was no thought to get dirty about someone laughing
    2. tilix
      tilix 20 July 2016 12: 14
      +1
      Utiti what kind of sofa menacing steel, of course it’s hard for you to come to believe the king?

      We read and with difficulty (and he, as you know, made a man out of a monkey), we understand that yes, thanks Bibi
      Tsahal did not begin to bring down your Su-24 flown to us
      Thanks are not necessary, but in 12 there is no need to stand up.
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 20 July 2016 16: 54
        +1
        Quote: tilix
        Tsahal did not begin to bring down your Su-24 flown to us

        Yes, do not pay attention, some stupidly reflect on the flag of another state, although as some correctly notice
        Quote: NIKNN
        At the expense of "not shot down with three attempts," a big plus for Israel's air defense. During the invasion, four kilometers. managed to attack 3 times, 1 time with the Air Force, Calculate the reaction time. Fly another 2 km. I would have received another 8-10 missiles and would have been shot down ...

        Many astronomers forget that Israel flew our planes saw and treated with understanding.
        The reaction time of the Israeli forces is excellent, and if the Israelis, recognizing the drone’s affiliation, did not begin to bring him down, then honor and praise be to them.
        All vysery going beyond the joyful discussion that ATTACKED our Russian equipment is school trololo and the information that recognizing the belonging of the Russian drone looks in a completely different light was canceled.
        Meanwhile, experts are inclined to believe that initially the Israeli military decided that an Iranian drone entered the airspace of the Golan Heights. Then, having established the Russian affiliation of the UAV, “the drone was given the opportunity to return to Syria”

        Personally, I say thank you for not starting to shoot down our drone, the other reasons are another matter, if not just they couldn’t and claim Russia’s claims about violation - this will be another topic for trololo and discussion.
      2. tilix
        tilix 21 July 2016 23: 21
        +2
        didn’t shoot down our drone
        Not everything appears in the press, there were helicopters that flew in and they were not touched either.
  • activator
    activator 20 July 2016 11: 08
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    Also, I do not need to witness how they kicked Germany’s ass in 1945. The facts are undeniable.

    Shaw, too, Israel? !! laughing
    Quote: Professor
    Those who doubt the Israeli sovereignty of the Golan recommend personally checking this.

    Yes, I think I could check many, but what for, I absolutely don’t give a shit to whom the gollans of Syria or Israel belong, and I think Putin and the Chinese with the Americans too. Here the other thing you are asking for is as if immortal or so self-confident, but what would happen if one of those countries I listed suddenly decides to try all the same. I think that the only real defense for Israel would be an international stink.
  • uhu189
    uhu189 20 July 2016 09: 33
    +2
    Is there no cannon system in service with Israeli air defense? Was it a pity to spend a heavy rocket?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 July 2016 09: 41
      0
      Yes, most likely no one shot at the UAV - there is no evidence that they launched rockets.
      1. Alex_Tug
        Alex_Tug 21 July 2016 03: 06
        0
        no one shot at the UAV

        If you google then you will find in the Israeli media (for the 19th day) two pictures of traces of rockets undermined. One video too.
    2. Skubudu
      Skubudu 20 July 2016 12: 04
      0
      US pay, you can shoot and missiles
  • igor67
    igor67 20 July 2016 09: 34
    +3
    [quote = professor] [quote = Observer 2014] It’s not yet those who asked for these heights from an adult [/ quote]
    They asked in 1973 and nearly lost Damascus. And to those who doubt that the Golan (what are they called in Arabic?) Israeli recommend trying to fly over them and take a walk from abroad.

    Lovers of fairy tales about "bookmarks". Where are they? wink
    This whole drone story is murky. The Patriots did not fly. An air-to-air missile (and there was no gun on the F-16?) Missed. The Apaches were taken away. The volcano was not fired upon, the LCD was not used. Circus and nothing more. fellow

    The circus is real, something I didn’t think of filming two Apaches, f 16 everyone circled a bunch of explosions, the windows cracked result zero
    1. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 21 July 2016 03: 09
      0
      An air-to-air missile (and there was no gun on the F-16?) Missed.


      An air-to-air missile appeared in a chain reaction. In its original form from Reuters, it did not appear.
  • Simpsonian
    Simpsonian 21 July 2016 03: 33
    -1
    It seems that in 1973 the Syrians, on the contrary, conquered part of their territory?
    1. Professor
      Professor 21 July 2016 07: 57
      0
      Quote: Simpsonian
      It seems that in 1973 the Syrians, on the contrary, conquered part of their territory?

      Yah? wink
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 July 2016 07: 35
    +5
    Well, it flew in, so what? It’s curious what the neighbors have “behind the fence” laughing Or maybe by mistake ...
    1. jovanni
      jovanni 20 July 2016 07: 47
      +20
      He was drawn to his homeland ... lol
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 20 July 2016 08: 00
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Well, it flew in, so what? It’s curious what the neighbors have “behind the fence” laughing Or maybe by mistake ...

      "Patriots" decided to protest laughing
      1. Alex_Tug
        Alex_Tug 21 July 2016 03: 21
        0
        "Patriots" decided to protest

        here is the test trace (for some reason no one wants to look for it)
    3. Lukich
      Lukich 20 July 2016 08: 51
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      It’s curious what the neighbors have “behind the fence”
  • other
    other 20 July 2016 07: 35
    +17
    Laughter))) We need to somehow cover up the failure of the Patriots!))) Now we say the patriots themselves destroyed since it was a Russian drone)))) I do not believe it !!!
    1. SSR
      SSR 20 July 2016 07: 47
      +3
      Quote: anden
      Laughter))) We need to somehow cover up the failure of the Patriots!))) Now we say the patriots themselves destroyed since it was a Russian drone)))) I do not believe it !!!

      Well, I would like the Israeli military to inform our side and ours with the words "sorties" brought out the UAV, the shot down even if the UAV does not improve the mood on both sides.
      1. other
        other 20 July 2016 08: 18
        +2
        a mystery covered in darkness!))
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 July 2016 07: 48
      +9
      Quote: anden
      Now they say we destroyed the patriots as it was a Russian drone)))) I do not believe it !!!

      And why did the fighter chase him? By the way, he also missed, probably the pilot at the last moment realized that this is our drone and rejected the rocket laughing
      1. other
        other 20 July 2016 08: 18
        +11
        all chased together! result on the face! now you need to otmazatsya)))
    3. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 20 July 2016 08: 01
      +8
      Quote: anden
      Laughter))) We need to somehow cover up the failure of the Patriots!))) Now we say the patriots themselves destroyed since it was a Russian drone)))) I do not believe it !!!

      Can yours specifically miss? The drone is licensed yours - an advertiser winked
  • Teberii
    Teberii 20 July 2016 07: 35
    0
    Our silent, either it is true or a provocation.
  • corporal
    corporal 20 July 2016 07: 42
    +3
    Well wrong requesthappens. We have operators not yet experienced wassat
    Here are just two "Patriots" and a Derby (or Python) for such a tiny little one to spend and not get what

    But EMNIP here have already broken spears on the issue of returning large-caliber barrel memory with controlled power supplies for such cases.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 20 July 2016 09: 02
      +1
      I suspect that the S-300-400 has every chance to miss out on a small-sized target.
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 20 July 2016 09: 53
        +2
        Quote: alexmach
        I suspect that the S-300-400 has every chance to miss out on a small-sized target.

        Far from the newest missile: 9M96M missile, when launching one missile, provides the probability of intercepting a tactical aircraft - 0,9; UAV - 0,8. When launching 2 missiles, interception is provided.
      2. BARKAS
        BARKAS 20 July 2016 10: 02
        +1
        Quote: alexmach
        I suspect that the S-300-400 has every chance to miss out on a small-sized target.


        it depends on what kind of rocket they are there.
      3. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 20 July 2016 12: 19
        +1
        I suspect that the S-300-400 has every chance to miss out on a small-sized target.

        come on! a vigorous bomb in the UAV flight zone and everything is fine! laughing sho was at hand, and so they thumped! Not caught up, so warmed up! the dispute is finally about nothing - well, it flew, well, it flew away ... but if it had been shot down, would drones mourn? or reprimand to the developers? everything is fine here - and they respected the face, noticed, drove and saved the equipment!
  • Moore
    Moore 20 July 2016 07: 43
    +2
    According to Israeli media reports, the Outpost UAV was attacked by Patriot missiles, but this did not prevent the UAV from returning to Syria.

    Judging by this:
    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.731550
    the drone also fired at the drone.
    The result, however, was only a slight injury from a missile debris to a girl on a kibbutz. A guide who accompanied a group of schoolchildren on an excursion to Upper Galilee took the schoolgirl to the emergency room of the Ziv hospital in Safed.
    http://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/484102.html
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 July 2016 07: 51
      +6
      Quote: Moore
      The result was only a slight wound by the wreckage of a rocket of a girl from a kibbutz.

      At the Israeli headquarters, there’s a mess. There are two questions on the agenda: Who is to blame and what the hell.
      1. investor
        investor 20 July 2016 08: 24
        .
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        At the Israeli headquarters, there’s a mess. There are two questions on the agenda: Who is to blame and what the hell.


        If it were not for the Israeli "headquarters", then you would have nothing to comment on. In the absence of such information, it would have been necessary to write about the US national debt and the lynching of blacks.lol
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 20 July 2016 08: 49
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        At the Israeli headquarters, there’s a mess. There are two questions on the agenda: Who is to blame and what the hell.

        Yes, who would have doubted! And immediately breathed something familiar, painfully familiar ... Generally, of course, it is strange that the main air defense systems did not cope with the "birdie." "... and all the kosher cavalry, and all the kosher men ..." and the truth is - the "dome" is flowing, or the Urals have played well with the licensed "device" ... PROFESSO-O-O-OR !!!! .... Doesn't give an answer (Or at the headquarters, at a meeting? request ). Well, joking aside, such "breakouts" are useful in order to draw conclusions and take action. In general, after reading the news, the first thing I remembered about the shooting at the "plates". From the territory of Israel they shouted "GIVE !!!", well, ours gave it ... they did not catch.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 20 July 2016 07: 54
    +1
    There was a drone "abroad", it was not - do not understand. Our comets do not give.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 July 2016 08: 02
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      Our comets do not give.

      Well, why give?
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 20 July 2016 10: 05
        0
        Alexander Romanov (6) RU Today, 08: 02 ↑
        Quote: aszzz888
        Our comets do not give.
        Well, why give?

        Do not understand why and to whom the question is?
  • Leonid Har
    Leonid Har 20 July 2016 07: 57
    +5
    Did the Israelis leave no alternative for intercepting the control channel for their own drone? Not very Israeli like that.
    To shoot down your drones, buy Russian "Armor"
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 20 July 2016 08: 17
    +1
    Quote: Teberii
    Our silent, either it is true or a provocation.

    Well then, "professors" in the studio, well, or at worst "atalef", these will explain everything, hey !, "God's chosen", rise, trumpet behest!
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 20 July 2016 08: 26
      +1
      Well then, "professors" in the studio, well, or at worst "atalef", these will explain everything, hey !, "God's chosen", rise, trumpet behest!


      smile Start a professor ... otherwise he promised not to write articles for IEE anymore ... I hope that our members of the forum will be able to pull out a beam of Israeli military power from the Israeli den for IEE.
      I am always interested in the reaction of the Israeli comrades to the seething in the ranks of the NVO forum users.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 July 2016 08: 27
      +1
      Quote: Alget87

      Well then, "professors" in the studio, or at worst "atalef", these will explain everything, hey!

      There, a man from Israel has already explained everything. Read above.
  • aba
    aba 20 July 2016 08: 17
    +1
    Then, having established the Russian affiliation of the UAV, “the drone was given the opportunity to return to Syria”

    I think that in this case there would be no statements that the Outpost drone was attacked by Patriot missiles, but this did not stop the UAV from returning to Syria.
  • Gray brother
    Gray brother 20 July 2016 08: 24
    +3
    There is a video.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 July 2016 09: 42
      +2
      This video of what?
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 20 July 2016 11: 23
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        This video of what?

        Captured zilch.
    2. igor67
      igor67 20 July 2016 09: 51
      +4
      Quote: Gray Brother
      There is a video.

      This store is five minutes from me, and here you can clearly see the rocket self-destructed after launch, my city is 900 meters above the sea, the debris where the debris fell to, the Golan heights to the right are 15 kilometers to them, the map at the bottom is easy to calculate, the Golan heights begin across the jordan river
      1. black
        black 20 July 2016 10: 11
        0
        Missiles for no reason do not self-destruct. Are you ashamed? bully
        1. igor67
          igor67 20 July 2016 10: 45
          +7
          Quote: black
          Missiles for no reason do not self-destruct. Are you ashamed? bully

          I agree, therefore there was information about the Russian drone, I just shot a video, maybe a visual video will help or not soldier
          1. black
            black 20 July 2016 11: 13
            +3
            Well, let's knock everything together. Two missile launches at the beginning and from the aircraft at the end. That is not what I said. Launched - self-destructed and sent the plane down? I am a purely infantry. He called the godfather, he’s a fighter. Neighs in the telephone receiver. In the dry residue. Three rockets did not fly long. Maybe that's why they decided that it was a Russian drone? Sarah didn’t give me, not because I was a poet, but because I didn’t. wassat
      2. Gray brother
        Gray brother 20 July 2016 11: 33
        +2
        Quote: igor67
        This store is five minutes from me, and here you can clearly see the rocket self-destructed after launch

        No fig there is not visible, the "Patriot" has a minimum range of 3 km, in the 70s it was, and now I suppose even less.
        1. Operator
          Operator 20 July 2016 11: 46
          0
          The Israeli missile defense squadrons didn’t start the second missile either, and then they drove off the F-16, which would mean that there were no doubts about the work of the missile’s self-destructors laughing
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother 20 July 2016 12: 00
            +2
            Quote: Operator
            The second missile, the Israeli air defense forces, also didn’t start testing the self-liquidator,

            Well, yes, the missiles are clearly not launched in pairs - then there would be two tracks.
            Once they didn’t get there, the second, third, then they waved a hand at this matter - well, it's the Russians ... smile
            1. igor67
              igor67 20 July 2016 12: 23
              +4
              Quote: Gray Brother
              Quote: Operator
              The second missile, the Israeli air defense forces, also didn’t start testing the self-liquidator,

              Well, yes, the missiles are clearly not launched in pairs - then there would be two tracks.
              Once they didn’t get there, the second, third, then they waved a hand at this matter - well, it's the Russians ... smile

              For whom am I filming a video? Where 2 rockets exploded, not three, and where the Golan Heights
              1. corporal
                corporal 20 July 2016 13: 25
                +3
                Quote: igor67
                For whom am I filming a video?

                For some, the evidence is inconsequential. request
              2. Gray brother
                Gray brother 20 July 2016 14: 20
                +1
                Quote: igor67
                For whom am I filming a video? Where 2 rockets exploded, not three, and where the Golan Heights

                I watched without sound smile
            2. Operator
              Operator 20 July 2016 12: 26
              0
              The most interesting thing is the missed target for two missiles with a radio command guidance system (Patriot air defense system) and one with a thermal homing system (AIM-9 Sidewinder). Then (and not before) the missiles self-destructed.

              The fact that the missiles were launched in general is a merit of the air-to-air missile radar and the air-to-air missile's thermal head, which captured the target. But when approaching the target, the capture was disrupted over and over again.

              The only reason for this is the UAV’s maneuver with a small turn radius.
              1. Parsec
                Parsec 20 July 2016 15: 02
                +1
                Quote: Operator
                The only reason for this is the UAV’s maneuver with a small turn radius.


                A bend with a small radius at a great distance from the target does not change the angle to the missile, the target for the missile head is a point, and the bend, even a complete one, will still keep the target point. The ESR of the target will change, but this will be offset by the AGC of the head receiver.

                When approaching a turn with a small radius, it does not affect the guidance of the rocket. The overload developed by the UAV at a speed of 180 km / h is clearly less than the steady-state rocket overload up to 30 g, especially if you do not expect a breakdown in speed support.
                1. Operator
                  Operator 20 July 2016 15: 44
                  0
                  The fact is obvious - three missiles in a row with missiles with two different guidance systems. Moreover, the used air-to-air missile with IGSN is also suitable for firing into the front hemisphere at targets with a low thermal signature.

                  The use of an onboard self-defense complex of as many as two types on board an UAV weighing 436 kg is practically unattainable.

                  There remains an aerial maneuver of the drone.
                  1. Parsec
                    Parsec 20 July 2016 16: 23
                    0
                    Once again, what kind of maneuver of an aircraft with a speed of 180 km / h not at an extremely low altitude can cause missile guidance failure designed for use on ballistic targets and on small ones with a small thermal signature?
                    1. Operator
                      Operator 20 July 2016 16: 40
                      +2
                      Patriot anti-aircraft missiles SAM / Patriot are designed to be used for any highly maneuverable target, and not just for ballistic ones. And the AIM-9 Sidewinder doesn’t belong to ballistic targets.

                      As for the extremely low altitude - the used anti-aircraft missiles have a specific guidance system: the ground-based radar of the air defense system illuminates the target, the signal reflected from the target is received by the passive GOS missile and broadcasts it to the air defense system, which in turn transmits control commands to the missile. From which it follows that the UAV flight altitude was not extremely small.

                      An air maneuver for a low-speed UAV without loss of energy (flight altitude) is possible only one - a snake with a frequent, random and sharp (within 90 degrees) change of direction. The bend radius at a speed of 50 m / s will be on the order of one ten meters.

                      Missiles "surface-to-air" and "air-to-air" at a speed of 1000 m / s do not know how to maneuver from the word at all, and all the colorful shots of drone drills refer to targets flying in a strictly straight line.
                      1. Parsec
                        Parsec 20 July 2016 18: 13
                        +2
                        You are trying to prove what I have said. What for?

                        Quote: Operator
                        The bend radius at a speed of 50 m / s will be on the order of one ten meters.


                        How much will the angle of sight change from a rocket to a target with a bend of 10 m radius?
                        Quote: Operator

                        Missiles "surface-to-air" and "air-to-air" at a speed of 1000 m / s do not know how to maneuver from the word at all,


                        You must be a virpil.
                        Believe that the SAM missile repeats every maneuver of the target?
                      2. Operator
                        Operator 20 July 2016 18: 23
                        +1
                        In addition to turns, the snake has straight sections of UAV flight duration from 2 to 10 seconds and length from 100 to 500 meters.

                        So, count in these conditions the angle of sight of the UAV by the missile, and at the same time its bend radius at a speed of 1000 m / s.

                        PS The last time I played on a computer simulator of air combat in 1991 year.
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 20 July 2016 19: 26
                        +2
                        Quote: Operator
                        In addition to turns, the snake has straight sections of UAV flight duration from 2 to 10 seconds and length from 100 to 500 meters.

                        So, count in these conditions the angle of sight of the UAV by the missile, and at the same time its bend radius at a speed of 1000 m / s.

                        PS The last time I played on a computer simulator of air combat in 1991 year.

                        I read and wonder. How does the drone operator know that the drone is being fired at by the Patriot? How does he know when to start performing a useless anti-aircraft maneuver? request
                      4. Operator
                        Operator 20 July 2016 19: 37
                        0
                        Anti-aircraft maneuver is performed not during a missile attack (on board an aircraft there may be no set of sensors for radar or laser radiation and ultraviolet radiation from the flare of the rocket engine), but while in the air defense zone (preventively).
                      5. Professor
                        Professor 20 July 2016 19: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: Operator
                        Anti-aircraft maneuver is performed not during a missile attack (on board an aircraft there may be no set of sensors for radar or laser radiation and ultraviolet radiation from the flare of the rocket engine), but while in the air defense zone (preventively).

                        Insanity grew stronger. A mule-class reconnaissance drone flew into the reconnaissance territory and, instead of reconnaissance, began to twist aerobatics. Where is the logic? wink
                      6. Operator
                        Operator 20 July 2016 20: 13
                        +1
                        More correct in Russian is technical cretinism - you are not familiar with the software method of "gluing" video frames obtained during a forward flight of a UAV with a variable lag.
  • Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 20 July 2016 08: 26
    +4
    And why didn’t they try to bring him down from the MANPADS ???
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 20 July 2016 08: 28
    +1
    Quote: Corporal
    But EMNIP here have already broken spears on the issue of returning large-caliber barrel memory with controlled power supplies for such cases.

    And the meaning of such a "garden", because there is a shorter and medium-range air defense system, and even all sorts of anti-tank systems suitable for fighting, including against low-flying targets, and most importantly, these are not our problems, but in this case Israel, so even "turnips" are scratching, they are "smart", they will come up with now not an "iron dome", but for example "tungsten" or "titanium" lol
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 20 July 2016 08: 33
    +2
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Start a professor ... otherwise he gave the floor to no longer write articles for IEE ..

    This is what time belay yeah man of the word lol as they say, man said, man did or not man? request
    1. Professor
      Professor 20 July 2016 08: 55
      +1
      Quote: Alget87
      This is already what time, yes, the man of the word as they say, the man said, the man did or not the man?

      And there is. I do not write more articles on VO. Waiting for you to write.
  • universe1
    universe1 20 July 2016 09: 08
    +2
    Tests of the new anti-aircraft missile defense system were successful. Well, at the same time, the Israeli air defense system was opened in the area, the radar radiation parameters were recorded, photo-video shooting was made, etc.
  • russmensch
    russmensch 20 July 2016 09: 30
    +5
    About six months ago, there was a video showing the launch of air defense missiles by helicopter, where all the missiles went away from the helicopter. Ours checked the EW novelty, which was put on a helicopter. Was this system on this UAV? Three missiles and the F-16 and everyone missed ... I can’t believe in the non-professionalism of the operators and pilots.
  • Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 20 July 2016 09: 38
    +2
    experts are inclined to believe that initially the Israeli military decided that an Iranian drone entered the airspace of the Golan Heights. Then, having established the Russian affiliation of the UAV, “the drone was given the opportunity to return to Syria

    Well, yes, how can we admit that we just crap one's pants
    1. Professor
      Professor 20 July 2016 09: 41
      -4
      Quote: Bulrumeb

      Well, yes, how can we admit that we just crap one's pants

      I repeat. If he wanted to, he would not disclose information at all and there would be nothing to discuss.
  • potapych
    potapych 20 July 2016 09: 46
    -2
    no, right now you need to be friends with the Jews, do not provoke. no, I'm not afraid, just who owns Jerusalem - he owns the Middle East. hi
    1. black
      black 20 July 2016 10: 13
      +3
      Quote: potapych
      just who owns Jerusalem - he owns the Middle East

      This is you in vain. Owning "Caliber" solves this problem soldier
  • AID.S
    AID.S 20 July 2016 09: 48
    +4
    Israeli drones are good after file processing ...
  • Absurdidat
    Absurdidat 20 July 2016 09: 59
    +1
    Quote: Observer2014
    Those who doubt the Israeli sovereignty of the Golan recommend personally checking this.


    Ahaha !!!
    Like you are there personally protecting them, the advisor. Yes, we wanted to fly there and separate you Jews into two patriots, one plane and a rocket - we separated and flew away. This is called "pissing" the territory of a potential friend. :)
    1. Professor
      Professor 20 July 2016 10: 07
      -1
      Quote: Absurdidat
      Like you personally protect them there, recommender.

      Personally, once a year, and while I rest, my comrades protect.
  • Operator
    Operator 20 July 2016 10: 09
    +2
    Russian Aerospace Forces tested Israeli air defense.

    Israeli anti-aircraft defense screwed up completely - UAVs were radar-driven even before approaching the demarcation line in the Golan, so that Israeli missile and aviation personnel had not 3-4 minutes, but half an hour or more.

    Most likely, the reconnaissance drone operator, after entering the air defense zone over the occupied Golan Heights, performed an elementary snake air maneuver, which was quite enough to miss two Patriot air defense missile systems and an AIM-9 Sidewinder missile of an F-16 fighter.
  • cedar
    cedar 20 July 2016 10: 42
    +4
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Muvka
    We also started acceleration, do not worry:

    I'm happy for you. By the way, are you aware that if the economy fell by, say, 5%, then in order for it to rise to the previous level, then it needs to grow by more than 5%?


    Instead of showing the language (a joke) they would show this ...
    Israil’s GDP this year - $ 176?
    Government debt - $ 214, and TOGO it turned out TOTAL!
    The excess of debt over GDP by 38 010 107 000 $!
    So you say taxes will reduce ..?
    You didn’t transfer the case on April 1 to January 1, as you see, there is a reason.
    http://countrymeters.info/ru/ISRAEL/economy
    1. Professor
      Professor 20 July 2016 10: 47
      -3
      Quote: cedar
      Instead of showing the language (a joke) they would show this ...
      Israil’s GDP this year - $ 176?
      Government debt - $ 214, and TOGO it turned out TOTAL!
      The excess of debt over GDP by 38 010 107 000 $!
      So you say taxes will reduce ..?
      You didn’t transfer the case on April 1 to January 1, as you see, there is a reason.

      So what? The US government rolls over, and in Russia it is super decent. Is this easier for you?
      It is important for me that our birth rate is high, infant mortality is low, life expectancy is 10 years longer than yours, and per capita income is decent. And the fact that taxes are reduced is not just nice, but the super duper is nice.
      1. Days
        Days 7 August 2016 16: 41
        -1
        Professor in his own style. My minus (super decent minus).
        1. Professor
          Professor 8 August 2016 08: 17
          +1
          Quote: Dagen
          Professor in his own style. My minus (super decent minus).

          It is right. What else do you have? request
  • bardadym
    bardadym 20 July 2016 11: 33
    +4
    I wildly apologize, but didn’t we agree with Israel that they would not rush at our aircraft? So what is fuss about? They identified our whatnot and recalled the rockets, business ...
    1. Operator
      Operator 20 July 2016 11: 47
      +3
      And so three times in a row laughing
      1. bardadym
        bardadym 20 July 2016 13: 18
        +3
        Did they send missiles in turn?
        Tady oh.

        Maybe that's how they earn citizenship now? Dodged three times on the Sesne from "Patriots" - that's it, Russian. Passport can be obtained from the nearest embassy)
  • Parsec
    Parsec 20 July 2016 11: 46
    +2
    "Meanwhile, experts are inclined to believe that initially the Israeli military decided that an Iranian drone entered the airspace of the Golan Heights. Then, having established the UAV's Russian identity," the drone was given the opportunity to return to Syria. "Officials in the Israeli Defense Ministry do not comment on the information." "

    So: a certain object was found in the air. A mandatory procedure after detection is identification. The object did not answer "I am mine", its sign changes to "Purpose". A decision was made to destroy, and the target is fired upon by two medium-range air defense missile systems. Judging by the video, sequentially, i.e. there is decisively the intention to destroy the goal. To no avail. A fighter rises or approaches, again with the intention of shooting down, launches a rocket, to no avail. In total, three attempts to destroy the target using the most powerful means.

    Then the most interesting thing - Israeli means recognize (what and how?) UAVs as Russian and generously “the drone was given the opportunity to return to Syria.”

    There is some agreement between Russia and Israel on the admission of aircraft into the airspace of Syria and Israel.

    What happens: Israeli air defense is not trained or terrified, or both. The maximum speed of the Outpost UAV, in the childhood of IMI Searcher, is less than 200 km / h, because of its design and the performance characteristics of the LTX, it cannot parachute a missile or a heavy projectile. Obviously an aerodynamic target, the speed is close to a helicopter, but the mark is less and there is no strong modulation from the propellers. Closest to any shallow Cessna. The sky is clear, sunny day, the silhouette of its drone is familiar to the Israelis. However, a decision is made to destroy. The maximum range to the target, according to the video, is not more than 12 km from the position of the Patriot air defense system. (The operating time of the Patriot SAM system is 12 s, at the moment of warhead undermining, the engine is still running, the rocket speed is 3M, let it be 1000 m / s. Suppression = Vр * trab.dv = 12 km). From a range of 12 ... 15 km it is impossible to recognize on a clear day the characteristic silhouette of the UAV’s own production, or to recognize and accept it as Iranian, despite the fact that the maximum UAV range is 250 km, and the shortest distance from Safed to Iranian territory is 1000 km from a submarine from Did the Iranians launch the Red Sea? - This is either complete ignorance, or paranoia.

    More interesting - a fighter enters the target and attacks with a rocket. The UAV flies at a speed of 50 m / s or 3 km / h, it could be slowly flown around and recognized. No, first an attempt to destroy. The target is not half a meter and a half meter, there is a wingspan like a fighter, a hot piston engine with exhaust - and a miss.

    But then they either contacted the VKS group, or the pilot somehow recognized their affiliation, but "having established the Russian affiliation of the UAV," the drone was given the opportunity to return to Syria. "
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 July 2016 12: 54
      0
      Yes, the usual "duck" is this story with a UAV that no one could bring down - there are plenty of dreamer journalists - they inflate an elephant out of a fly.
  • Parsec
    Parsec 20 July 2016 11: 46
    +4
    Total:
    1. Israeli air defense does not track adjacent airspace to a depth sufficient to establish the trajectory of targets.
    2. Israel's air defense opens fire on an aerodynamic target with the flight parameters of a small aircraft without identifying it. The option “Someone from the oil princes who was stupefied by the amount of money made flying and fornication at his Cessna” is not considered? So the killers do not get long, although Israel has nothing to lose.
    3. There is no interaction with the KP airbase in Khmeimim, actively operating in the adjacent airspace
    4. The video shows the explosion of the Patriot missile, but the target is not hit. The affected area of ​​the Patriot warhead missile is not consistent with the operation zone of the rocket radio fuse for small targets.
    5. The same is true for an air-to-air missile from a fighter.
    6. Helicopter units are based on distances that exclude their access to the intercept line, or their readiness does not provide an exit.
    7. Someone is lying - either the army, or the media, or, most likely, both

    The desire of Israel to catch fear on its neighbors is clear - everything that crosses the Israeli border a meter will be destroyed. Given the insignificant depth of the country’s territory and the dense population of the border territories, this will require a huge density of air defense systems and enormous tension when carrying out combat duty. Density seems to have been created, the Iron Dome is licked with saliva of delight until it loses its shape, the Jewish eagles have been glorified for centuries, but the fact is there. On the whole face.

    According to media reports, Israel’s air defense is a group of inept paranoid soldiers with useless weapons, useless intelligence and clumsy control.

    Something is wrong here.
    1. Operator
      Operator 20 July 2016 12: 35
      +2
      If you believe the Israeli media and their adherents from among the commentators of the article on VO, then the American-made missiles turned out to be an order of magnitude smarter than the IDF operators / pilots and were able to recognize the color of the UAV's coloring laughing
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  • Mentat
    Mentat 20 July 2016 12: 45
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    You have to understand one obvious thing and everything will fall into place. Russia in Syria is not for long. This is our sandbox.

    This is your trolling, which is what you mostly do here.
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 20 July 2016 12: 51
    +3
    After reading the disputes of our distinguished colleagues, I will summarize: 1. Ours are inclined to believe that the Israeli air defense screwed up and could not shoot down a small drone, although it really wanted to, some Israeli colleagues confirm this directly or indirectly; 2. the bulk of the Israeli colleagues insists that "I didn't really want to shoot down", "they knew that they were Russian, so they didn't shoot down", "Bibi is the coolest"; 3.The Israelis need to pray that the Palestinians will not decide to stop riveting incompetent rockets from old water pipes and switch to quadcopters with explosive devices on suspension, which can be dropped on Israeli cities from low altitude, broadcasting all this live ...
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 20 July 2016 19: 31
      0
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      they didn’t switch to quadrocopters with suspension explosive devices that can be dropped to Israeli cities from low altitude, broadcasting all this live ...

      - with quadrocopters, the question is, it is unlikely that the Palestinians will be able to establish a noise-immune connection with quadrocopters, in which case the Israelis will not be difficult to develop effective electronic warfare.
      Although, if you install sophisticated IMU modules on quadrocopters that work on the Madjwick algorithm for autonomous inertial navigation, they move with certain accuracy in autonomous mode, then the quadrics can fly where you need to. However, the greater the distance, the greater the error accumulates during the movement, because coordinates are calculated relative to the starting point. But the Palestinians do not need much accuracy. Then the electronic warfare will be useless, only the EMP pulse.
  • iouris
    iouris 20 July 2016 12: 52
    +2
    The most interesting thing here is that Israel recognized the UAVs of its own production as "Russian" and not as "Iranian". How is "Forpost" in Hebrew?
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 20 July 2016 15: 59
    0
    Officials in the Israeli Ministry of Defense do not comment on the information.
    This is where you need to start! It has long been known how "stunning news" appears from no less "stunning" correspondents, picked up, as if by magic, by all Western media!
  • aksakal
    aksakal 20 July 2016 19: 21
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    The results of combat use in the studio pliz.

    Professor, if the S-300 is a little expensive for you, then take the BUK - both cheaper and tested in combat conditions (remind you? I would not like it, a sad event), and by the way, the latest modifications of the Buk (Buk-3M, if I am not mistaken), the probability of shooting down exceeds that of the S-300 - 0.999 versus 0.9, which is a very serious indicator. Generally awesome system, really "Patriot" sucks, especially against the background of such a mess
    1. Professor
      Professor 20 July 2016 19: 32
      -1
      Quote: aksakal
      Professor, if the S-300 is a little expensive for you, then take the BUK - both cheaper and tested in combat conditions (remind you? I would not like it, a sad event), and by the way, the latest modifications of the Buk (Buk-3M, if I am not mistaken), the probability of shooting down exceeds that of the S-300 - 0.999 versus 0.9, which is a very serious indicator. Generally awesome system, really "Patriot" sucks, especially against the background of such a mess

      What for? We also have air defense of our own production, and before that the same Patriot has repeatedly successfully shot down drones, and even shot down with an air-to-air missile. I say, the story is muddy here. Like screwed up and themselves trumpeted about it all over the world.
      Iranian casualties over Israel
      Twice in July 2014 (on the 14th and 17th), Israeli Patriot anti-aircraft missiles were used to intercept the Ababil Iranian UAVs used by Hamas for reconnaissance or attacks of Israeli military targets.

      1. aksakal
        aksakal 20 July 2016 21: 56
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        What for? We also have our own air defense, and even before that the same Patriot repeatedly successfully shot down drones,

        - with a probability of 0.6? Nude Nude. The master is the master, you choose laughing
  • BastaKarapuzik And
    BastaKarapuzik And 20 July 2016 20: 53
    +1
    I’m waiting for official comments.
    When aviation has to operate near the border, no one can guarantee absenteeism beyond its borders.

    И often shot down there. However, it is one thing if, by mistake, incorrectly assessing the degree of danger or in a state of war between countries, it is another thing to knock down everything that has flown up. The second is a clearly unfriendly act (to say the least) and can have no excuses.

    It only seems that a low-speed, relatively little maneuverable UAV, which is more expensive than a line of anti-aircraft guns or an aircraft gun (if the plane was nearby), does not deserve it. The latter, by the way, is needed to install eye contact.
  • Uryukc
    Uryukc 20 July 2016 23: 34
    -1
    The most epic bagurt in the comments. Delivered.
    1. Parsec
      Parsec 21 July 2016 01: 28
      0
      Quote: Uryukc
      Epic Bagurt in the comments


      Bagurt as a mixture of bazaar and boogurt?

      Recipient,.
      1. Uryukc
        Uryukc 21 July 2016 02: 24
        0
        ))
        No, just a typo in the word buhurt.
        You have an extra comma after "recipient"))
  • Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 30 September 2016 18: 16
    0
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    but what a cold milk my cow gives our drones impossible to shoot

    And this is not a drone. This is a drone. In addition, manufacturing under license does not interfere with filling the drone with Russian electronics. Or the Jews will sue, they say they threw out our electronic stuffing and Russia should answer for this.
  • Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 30 September 2016 18: 33
    0
    Quote: BastaKarapuzikI
    It only seems that a slow-moving, relatively little maneuverable UAV, which is more expensive than a line of anti-aircraft guns or an aircraft gun (if the plane was nearby), does not deserve it.

    Uh, no, don’t tell me, fresh and reliable intelligence is the disclosure of the immediate plans of the enemy. Everyone knows that Israel is preparing ISIS for all the militants, treating them and arming them. Once they tried to bring down very expensive means, then the Jews have something to hide on the Golan Heights, especially since this, in fact, is the territory of Syria and the Syrians have the right to know what the Jews are doing there.