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How to check the sincerity of Erdogan?

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How to check the sincerity of Erdogan?



After the failed military coup, the situation in Turkey remains tense, although Erdogan said on the night of the insurrection that everything would be calm by morning. It is reported that 19 July thundered an explosion in Ankara (although the authorities were quick to say that it was just a fire). A day earlier, violent clashes occurred between supporters and opponents of Erdogan in the city of Konya. It is possible that in the near future there will be new clashes and explosions - as the echoes of that night from 15 to July 16.

And that night in the neighboring Syria, the people sincerely rejoiced. As soon as it was reported that a coup in Turkey, that Recep Tayyip Erdogan was possibly removed from power, joyful Syrians rushed out into the streets. Soldiers and fighters of self-defense detachments saluted into the air. A few hours in many Syrian cities was a real holiday.

Yes, the joy was premature. And not only because Erdogan remained in power. Because both sides would be equally hostile to the Syrian people. Like the Kurdish. And we, the Russians.

As a person who personally had a chance to see the city of Kasab, which was half-destroyed with the participation of Turkey, refugees from this city, who spent the night on mattresses in the Armenian church, communicate with people who barely escaped from there, I understand the euphoria of the Syrians.

Erdogan for Syria is a longtime enemy, and one of the most vicious and determined enemies. Those who, being first prime minister and then president of Turkey, supplied terrorists of all stripes throughout the war years in the UAR. weaponsHe helped them financially, bought oil from them cheaply. It was from Turkey that tens of thousands of terrorists from all over the world arrived in Syrian lands (and continue to arrive). It was precisely Turkey who transported numerous riches of the Syrian people - the equipment of factories looted by militants, the products of these enterprises, bread, works of art, exhibits of the museums desecrated ... Those who considered themselves a new and powerful Ottoman ruler personally contributed to all these crimes whose power allegedly extends to the neighboring state.

But what could the Syrians expect from the leaders of the coup if they had won? Stop terrorist support? Mitigate the anti-Syrian position of Ankara? Termination of cases of direct intervention of the Turkish army in the internal affairs of Syria?

Could Russia have expected such steps from the new Turkish leadership if a change of power had occurred? After all, we, the citizens of Russia, Erdogan caused a lot of insults. First, in October 2012, there was an unceremonious search of the Moscow-Damascus aircraft, in which citizens of the Russian Federation were flying. Then - Turkey shot down our military plane, which struck at ISIS terrorists (an organization banned in Russia). As a result, the pilot Oleg Peshkov and the Marine Alexander Pozychnich were killed.

Apparently, hopes for a serious change in Turkey’s position would have been in vain even in the event of Erdogan’s fall. This requires incredible courage and tough political will, which those who led the failed insurrection were hardly capable of.

Even the leader of Egypt, Abdel-Fattah Al-Sisi, who defeated the Muslim Brotherhood in his country, didn’t dare to radically change the anti-Syrian course of his predecessor and opponent Mursi. This course has been moderated only marginally.

And if we consider that among the participants in the coup there were the very military who shot down the Russian plane - it becomes clear that the rebels and the Syrians are not allies at all.

I can’t share the popular point of view that the coup was organized because Erdogan became displeased with the United States because of apologizing to Russia and trying to improve relations. The myth of the “good” Erdogan is shattered, again, if you look at all of his actions. Yes, and the notorious apology sounded too vague.

US President Barack Obama 19 July spoke with Erdogan on the phone and expressed strong support for him. In a statement by the UN Security Council on the attempted coup in Turkey, almost all countries called for "respect for a democratic government." Only Egypt tried to argue weakly.

As we know, a completely different rhetoric sounds to those whom the United States and NATO seriously declare "the enemy of democracy."

True, some European politicians have already expressed their concern about the repression of Erdogan against those suspected of involvement in the coup. Indeed, these repressions are disgusting. Erdogan is so fond of declaring others as tyrants (those whom the United States is really against), although in order to see a tyrant, he only needs to look in the mirror.

The brutal massacre of Erdogan’s supporters over the soldiers, who were made “extreme”, looks especially wild. The guys who carried out the orders of higher-level commanders had to suffer terrible torments - they were brutally beaten in the squares, they were even torn to pieces. Although most of these soldiers fired not a single shot at those whom Erdogan took to the streets (endangering for the sake of maintaining his power).

Now the resisting Turkish president pushes through parliament the decision to restore the death penalty in order to crack down on the vanquished. Many opposition media are closing down. Russian journalists - employees of the REN TV channel Valentin Trushnin and Mikhail Fomichev also got under the hand. Fomichev was immediately sent to Russia, Trushnina was detained and later deported.

Some of the forces opposing Erdogan — from the Turkish Communist Party to the Islamic preacher Fethullah Gulen (whom the Turkish president declared to be the main organizer of the insurgency) —called the event as staged. These forces believe that Erdogan deliberately started all this in order to strengthen his power and crack down on political opponents.

Perhaps this version really has the right to life. Erdogan, it would seem, "on horseback." He created for himself the image of a “hero”, for which, it seems, people came out. Now, opponents expect the death penalty in prisons, the opposition media are repressed, and the “hero” looks almost the “savior of the nation”.

Only it is not clear where this “hero” was hiding for several hours after he ran away from a hotel in Marmaris, where they allegedly tried to kill him. Why did he address the audience first from the smartphone screen, and only then, when the threat had passed, did he risk to appear at the airport? Why was it reported that he was seeking asylum from Germany, then from Britain, then from the Saudis?

Allegedly, our “hero” was taking a great risk, missed with death only for a few minutes. He had just escaped from a hotel in the resort of Marmaris, as a detachment of "murderers" broke into it. Where did he get the information that he needed to “reel the fishing rods” urgently?

And then, it turns out, they tried to kill the unfortunate in the air. Two fighters kept him on sight. But again unsinkable miraculously survived - they wanted to kill him, but they did not kill him. Presumably, however, he suffered a lot of fear.

The hero was not a hero at all, but a tossed hare.

In general, everything looks as if Erdogan’s actions and the steps of his opponents were supervised from the same center. That the coup was really staged, but not Erdogan, but his masters.

Most likely, the United States did not at all attempt at this stage to overthrow the "Ottoman underdog." Still would! It is not good to lose from such an ally, with the help of which a bloody project called the “Arab Spring” was dragged.

But only Erdogan’s positions were staggering. Turkish society has criticized him too much for his ongoing cooperation with the terrorists who flooded the areas bordering Syria. He recalled the slogan: “Zero problems with neighbors,” which, as many joked, turned into “Zero neighbors without problems.” Yes, and the conflict with the Kurds weakened the power of Erdogan.

At the same time, give the command to the rebels to come forward, and Erdogan - to save himself ... Well, this is quite in the spirit of the US special services. After the epic 11 September provocation, 2001 of the year is nothing surprising. As a result, the Turkish president remains and may crack down on the opposition.

On the other hand, even if he sincerely wanted to get closer to Russia, he was clearly made to understand that this was not necessary.

Now the question is how Erdogan will really behave.

Undoubtedly, he will harshly suppress all opposition - both those who are involved in the coup, and those who are not. Will it only strengthen his position?

In fact, the army is one of the pillars of the state. And Erdogan, of course, with his cruelty will turn even more military against himself. Even if many of them do not dare to utter a sound, this does not mean that in the future he will not face the army’s discontent.

At the international level, undue sultan also inevitably undermines its position. Such a step as the introduction of the death penalty will inevitably alienate Turkey from the EU. Human rights organizations, no matter how hypocritical they may be, will still be forced to condemn the persecution of opponents.

His supporters - mostly radical Islamists - are now ready to extol him as a winner. But in case of problems with the economy - he will face the discontent of the population. And problems are possible. Only, it seems, there was a chance for the resumption of tourism from Russia - and again the same problems, for the solution of which Erdogan even stepped over his pride and mumbled vague apologies. Now not many will be willing to go to rest in a country with an unstable situation. And no “All inclusive” will help.

No wonder Erdogan is already beginning to rush. Makes unexpected anti-american statements. Hurries to the phone to talk not only with Vladimir Putin, but also with his longtime enemy - Iranian President Hassan Rouhani. Promises cooperation.

Apparently, he understands that the United States, even if it has been saved for his own purposes so far, can also be scrapped at any time. What if even in the short term he was given to win, then the victory could be Pyrrhic.

In general, Russia should be careful with such an odious and unreliable "ally". While at the same time - to use his weaknesses to their advantage. For example, to demand from him real concessions on Syria, the most important of which is the cessation of support for terrorism. This is the only way to verify the sincerity of his anti-American statements and apologies to the family of the fallen pilot. And also - the depth of his awareness of the fact that for the USA he is just a slave whom they want - they will keep, and they will want - they will throw him off.
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  1. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 20 July 2016 06: 47
    +11
    So I agree. yes Too many interesting hassles, inconsistencies, observations lol Not only is the situation itself and the political and economic in Turkey ambiguous, but various "coups" make it even more confusing request East, damn it what
    I personally don’t believe Erdogan and I wouldn’t go to Turkey for any money at resorts hi
    1. aba
      aba 20 July 2016 08: 43
      +1
      I personally don’t believe Erdogan and I wouldn’t go to Turkey for any money at resorts

      I didn’t try to go to Turkey in the good years, there are more interesting places, but now I don’t even think about it.

      But Erdogan is now rushing about like in a mousetrap: the way to the EU has been ordered, the army will be completely decapitated, and now not every neighbor shakes his hand and who he does not know who to hope for. So, if he won now, he will stumble more than once if he does not fall.
      1. Douel
        Douel 20 July 2016 13: 32
        0
        Quote: aba
        But Erdogan is now rushing about like in a mousetrap: the way to the EU has been ordered, the army will be completely decapitated, and now not every neighbor shakes his hand and who he does not know who to hope for. So, if he won now, he will stumble more than once if he does not fall.

        I will express my opinion on the EU. If the black gentleman commands to take him out of the puddle, then the EU will accept without any mention of the death penalty, etc. Do not forget about the refugees, whom the Turks can again let into the EU. Now compare the thousands of refugees in a prosperous EU and some kind of death penalty in Turkey.
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 20 July 2016 08: 44
      +7
      Quote: Rurikovich
      So I agree.

      Quote: Author Elena Gromova
      Could Russia have expected such steps from the new Turkish leadership if a change of power had occurred? After all, we, the citizens of Russia, Erdogan caused a lot of insults. First, in October 2012, there was an unceremonious search of the Moscow-Damascus aircraft, in which citizens of the Russian Federation were flying. Then - Turkey shot down our military plane, which struck at ISIS terrorists (an organization banned in Russia). As a result, the pilot Oleg Peshkov and the Marine Alexander Pozychnich were killed.

      Apparently, hopes for a serious change in Turkey’s position would have been in vain even in the event of Erdogan’s fall. This requires incredible courage and tough political will, which those who led the failed insurrection were hardly capable of.


      ... "Darrahai edition"!
      Here they wrote so they wrote !!!!
      As Satanovsky would say: "I'm crying!" :))))))))))))))))

      WAITING FOR RUSSIA FOR SOMETHING POSITIVE FROM NATO officers and generals - coup and rebels, albeit of Turkish nationality - TOP of naivety and stupidity!
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 20 July 2016 09: 44
      +1
      What personal ambitions do you need to have in order to quarrel with everyone? Yes, and the "dust" will not settle quickly. What will he do with the thousands of those arrested, including representatives of the military elite? Let's not forget that thousands of the same languish in prisons before the events in question. The internal conflict in Turkey after the failed coup is only growing.
    4. 222222
      222222 20 July 2016 16: 01
      +1
      How to check the sincerity of Erdogan?

      And why should she check sincerity ??? Each country does something only in its national interests (.. some on the orders of the owner). There are interests of the country ––––––––––––––––––––––– ..
    5. the most important
      the most important 20 July 2016 21: 37
      -1
      Quote: Rurikovich
      I personally don’t believe Erdogan and I wouldn’t go to Turkey for any money at resorts

      and on the tank ???
  2. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 20 July 2016 07: 12
    +3
    You can't trust anyone! And this dog must be kept on a short leash. As Don Corleone used to say, "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer!"
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 20 July 2016 07: 15
    +3
    Russia should be careful with such an odious and unreliable "ally." ... Yes, it’s more likely to be .. Putin and Lavrov do not like to jump on a rake .. moreover, on children’s ..
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 20 July 2016 07: 42
      +5
      Quote: parusnik
      Russia should be careful with such an odious and unreliable "ally." ... Yes, it’s more likely to be .. Putin and Lavrov do not like to jump on a rake .. furthermore, on children’s ..

      How not to love? Turkey is again our ally! Interestingly Erdogan paid the compensation to the family of the pilot? Or how it happened with an apology, which seemed to be ... but, it seems, it was not.
      Article plus.
      For some reason, I thought all of a sudden, but how did the ordinary Syrians accept Putin’s sudden reconciliation with Erdogan? Probably, as residents of the Donbass in relation to Putin after the referendum, as well as after Minsk 1, and Minsk 2.
      1. nadezhiva
        nadezhiva 20 July 2016 08: 30
        0
        Unlike many, our President is well placed to prioritize. And the life / welfare of Russians is more important to him than the life / welfare of the inhabitants of Donbass and Syria. Even if someone is very bitter to realize.
        The life of the people does not end either tomorrow or in years. And most importantly, the quality of politics is the ability to look ahead, to see ultimate goal and calculate the consequences of committed acts for your state. Here in this GDP at the moment there are no equal.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 20 July 2016 09: 45
          +5
          Quote: nadezhiva
          Unlike many, our President is well placed to prioritize. And the life / welfare of Russians is more important to him

          Of course! That is why Putin gave the green light to Russian tourists in Turkey, right after the terrorist attack at the Istanbul airport!
          This is according to what layouts and priorities you can lend a hand of friendship to the one who hit you in the back yesterday?

          Quote: nadezhiva
          the main quality is a politician the ability to look ahead, see the ultimate goal and calculate the consequences of committed acts

          I agree with you! And, the one who betrayed you once will betray you twice! Then do not go to the grandmother. Again, to be friends with Erdogan is unjustified, at any moment he will throw!
          1. Air defense SSH
            Air defense SSH 20 July 2016 11: 58
            +1
            Nobody will be friends with Erdogan, the establishment of international interactions is not friendship ... And no one drives tourists to Turkey, these are not pensioners for social trips, everyone makes their choice - for example, I won’t go for free, there’s a lot of other beautiful people places ...
          2. g1v2
            g1v2 20 July 2016 17: 40
            0
            And who will not throw it? In politics, there are no friends and enemies, but there are interests of the country. No one is going to walk with an erdo by the handle under the moon, but we need Turkey and this is a fact. If it is possible to get from the Turks what we need, then why not use it?
            Well, those who go to BV, it doesn’t matter to Tunisia, Egypt, Turkey or Israel - they are evil Pinocchio themselves. The Middle East has become a dangerous region for a long time, and if the risk of remaining as a family does not frighten the imbeciles, it will go ahead with a song for the Darwin Prize. I won’t cry. hi
          3. nadezhiva
            nadezhiva 21 July 2016 12: 02
            +1
            Quote: Stas157
            Again, to be friends with Erdogan is unjustified, at any moment he will throw!
            And who is friends with Erdogan? There is no talk of friendship, do not distort. It's not about friendship. It's about tearing Turkey away from the US / EU / Ukraine, proving that the enemies are sitting there. The point is that the presence of the Turkish stream is an easy blackmail for Severny2. The point is that it is our nuclear energy that must conquer the world market. The point is that it is very difficult to win in Syria without having received the guarantees of Turkey. And the Turks are waiting for help in the Kurds. The point is that the new Silk Road, in which the Russian Federation is interested, is also going through Turkey.
            There is no need to cling to the "return" of flights and the lifting of the embargo, tk. there are more global issues. And if all your posts are aimed only at opposing the Russian president ..... Then talking is useless.
      2. aba
        aba 20 July 2016 08: 45
        +3
        Interestingly Erdogan paid the compensation to the family of the pilot?

        And how did the Turks say about compensation? If the family of the deceased apply ... His family refused Turkish handouts.
      3. parusnik
        parusnik 20 July 2016 09: 00
        +2
        Stas157 And where did you get that Turkey is again our ally! .. Here in Turkey, there are Syrian terrorists .. How can they survive from there ..? .. When Russia and Turkey are "at daggers" or when more or less friendly relations? .. I think the Syrians accepted reconciliation adequately .. And they were happy about the overthrow of Erdogan, for one simple reason .. Assad and Erdogan were even friendly .. And then Erdogan betrayed Assad .. The Syrians were happy that finally a bullet was found on the traitor ..
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 20 July 2016 10: 36
          +4
          Quote: parusnik
          Stas157 And where did you get that Turkey is our ally again!

          Ah, there was nothing ?? Putin was the first of all leaders to call Erdogan with words of support during the coup! What a caring, even ahead of the NATO allies!
          If Turkey is not an ally, why all this? We are Russian tourists to them, and we fill our shops with Turkish tomatoes, plus multibillion-dollar construction projects are in force again! Ah, what are they to us?
          I don’t understand who apologizes to whom? Who, to whom, makes food?
          I have a lasting feeling is Putin Erdogan! And, he did not even pay compensation for the plane. In fact, Turkey has nowhere worse to do with this situation. Where not to look! And at that moment, Putin extends the sinking Erdogan a hand of friendship! Saves a friend.
          I have already heard arguments like: "Yes, we did not quite make up with the Turks, not for real, but just a little bit ..." Sorry, but I'm a simple person and I don't understand the types of reconciliation! And, the situation for me with this reconciliation is unpleasant.
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 20 July 2016 14: 50
            +2
            Stas157 ... You see, there is no friendship in politics, there are mutual interests .. And besides, there is no document saying that Russia and Turkey are allies .. Russia officially has one ally, Belarus, because we live in a union state .. There is even a document about this ... But Russia did not conclude any allied treaties with Turkey ... Turkey is more an ally of the United States and other states that are part of NATO ...
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 20 July 2016 20: 02
              +3
              Quote: parusnik
              You see, in politics there is no friendship, there are mutual interests .. And besides, there is no such document where it was written that Russia and Turkey are allies ..

              Understand! And what difference does it make, who’s called, if in fact Russia treats the Turks better than its official NATO allies!
              After all, I essentially gave you an argument, for urgent matters, and you are talking about the names spelled out in the agreements.
              For example, everyone knows that the United States has half the world in sixes, but do not tell me in which agreement it is written, dear?
              1. oracul
                oracul 21 July 2016 09: 07
                +1
                During the Second World War, Stalin maintained allied relations with the same Churchill, realizing that he remained the enemy of the Soviet regime (by the way, he did not hide it). This was a sure step in the conditions of a brutal war. Interests coincided? Yes, coincided for a period of time. In politics, this is the place to be. Erdogan of Russia is not a friend, but is it necessary to turn him into the worst enemy? Today, information went out (maybe a throw-in) that our intelligence warned the Turkish secret services about the upcoming coup in about three hours. Someone is sure that this should not have been done. How to know ?! There is such an expression: a better familiar devil than an unfamiliar angel. We do not know until the end who really stood behind the attempted coup. And if this is really America, would it be better? I doubt it! I hope that those who are supposed to know this in Russia know and do what is needed.
  4. baudolino
    baudolino 20 July 2016 07: 18
    +4
    Russia's main military adversary in history will not be able to become a full-fledged ally. And all the stories with "brothers" now make relations with allies purely pragmatic.
    1. ver_
      ver_ 20 July 2016 07: 50
      +1
      Erdogan is nervous and "twitches" .. Friends because of a puddle have become extremely dangerous. Who can cover the rear and how will you have to pay? ..
  5. Riv
    Riv 20 July 2016 07: 38
    +6
    Erdogan is a sly fox. But if the military were victorious in Turkey, they took power into their own hands - and instead of a fox there would be a flock of jackals.
  6. Former ... USSR
    Former ... USSR 20 July 2016 08: 14
    +2
    And what is actually bad for Russia in this coup, whoever organized it? The army is a "restless neighbor" and a NATO member now Bardak!
    And this is not for a month or two. Yes, not to go to Turkey to relax is bad, without normal rest and there will be no normal work (labor productivity)
    Crimea without a bridge so far and Gelendzhik-Sochi are unlikely to be able to accept everyone. But this is another topic for discussion.
    1. def89
      def89 20 July 2016 09: 12
      +2
      Relaxing in the Murmansk region. The weather is wonderful this year. Sea and river fishing, mushrooms have already gone. Lyapot and no Turkey is needed!
  7. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 20 July 2016 08: 19
    +2
    Now Erdogad will become a real caliph, and will return Turkey back to the Middle Ages.
  8. ava09
    ava09 20 July 2016 08: 56
    0
    The title of the material already speaks of the frivolity of its content: (c) How to check the sincerity of Erdogan? (C)
    A politician is not sincere, not because he is bad, but because he is good. Sincere with all politicians - moron. Thundering Elena needs to study the principles of governance and she will lose interest in dealing with the sincerity of politicians. One must understand the complex decision-making mechanism at the State and supra-State levels ...
  9. morprepud
    morprepud 20 July 2016 09: 03
    +1
    And our Russian (!) Tourists should think again and again "Where to go to rest!" fool
  10. dmitrymb
    dmitrymb 20 July 2016 09: 04
    +2
    Do not believe this ghoul Erdogan
  11. Playerman
    Playerman 20 July 2016 09: 05
    0
    Withdrew from the tongue, why can not a fart arrange a coup? Still how can, These are endless possibilities
  12. Playerman
    Playerman 20 July 2016 09: 06
    0
    Perdogan is a very cunning fox, a putsch is also his
  13. akyb1975
    akyb1975 20 July 2016 09: 25
    +2
    Yes, do not care about Erdogan, but whoever came across to Turkey forgetting the dead creatures and their photos with surnames in open access
    1. garnik64
      garnik64 20 July 2016 23: 52
      +1
      Yes, do not care about Erdogan, but whoever came across to Turkey forgetting the dead creatures and their photos with surnames in open access.


      Our politicians (who serve their interests) should answer this question. Now the situation is similar in Turkey and in the world since the beginning of the 20th century, when Soviet Russia extended a helping hand to the already dying Turkey. And what did we get?

      Today Zhirinovsky called (on FM radio) for rapprochement with Turkey. And the creation of a coalition of Russia, Turkey, Iran and all in the same spirit. And this is the person leading one of the parties.
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 21 July 2016 18: 52
        0
        Now the situation is similar in Turkey and in the world since the beginning of the 20th century, when Soviet Russia extended a helping hand to the already dying Turkey. And what did we get?


        we received the absence of the Entente troops there, which divided Turkey under the Sevres Peace Treaty and the required straits status, which at that time was strategically important for the survival of the RSFSR, since the Entente declared a complete economic blockade to the Soviets, and the main and only export product was grain going to the buyer through the straits.
  14. syndicalist
    syndicalist 20 July 2016 09: 29
    +1
    Quote: nadezhiva
    Unlike many, our President is well placed to prioritize. And the life / welfare of Russians is more important to him than the life / welfare of the inhabitants of Donbass and Syria. Even if someone is very bitter to realize.
    The life of the people does not end either tomorrow or in years. And most importantly, the quality of politics is the ability to look ahead, to see ultimate goal and calculate the consequences of committed acts for your state. Here in this GDP at the moment there are no equal.

    Bravo! Superb trolling!
  15. syndicalist
    syndicalist 20 July 2016 09: 34
    +1
    In vain Erdogan began to spread rot on the army. Ahead, the country has huge problems with the same Kurds, and not only that. And religious fanatics are stupid people in these matters. Read to him Russian history before June 22, 1941
  16. Bakht
    Bakht 20 July 2016 10: 24
    -1
    ... and now not every neighbor shakes hands with him and on whom he knows no hope ...

    According to Kremlin statements, a meeting between Putin and Erdogan is being prepared. So V. Putin will shake his hand
    1. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 20 July 2016 13: 08
      +2
      Well, not all the same, Aliev and Erdogan to go into gums. Although the GDP in this situation is not right. Still wrong. It can arise to him sideways, over time. So, the coastal partisans were acquitted and the loyal generals from the UK began to grab bribes .. One wrong step, for example, conversations will go towards Erdogan - Akella missed, he is not the same, he needs another, younger and more fortunate ..
  17. Observer2014
    Observer2014 20 July 2016 10: 34
    +3
    How to check the sincerity of Erdogan?
    Let all their assets and their relatives be transferred to the central bank of Russia bully
  18. Lyubopyatov
    Lyubopyatov 20 July 2016 13: 53
    0
    My answer to the question posed in the headline: Erdogan’s sincerity is verified by the provision of runways and hangars at the Incirlik base by the Russian aerospace forces (as stated by the Turkish Foreign Minister on TurkTV).
    But the situation in Turkey is now too cluttered to get to this point, and the forecasts for Erdogan are too vague.
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 20 July 2016 20: 12
      +1
      it’s stupid to place your equipment and people on a foreign base, everything will be monitored, from technical data to plans. Yes, and the base in a hostile country is essentially a hostage, the times of Mishiko and our bases in Georgia have shown it well. It’s not funny, but now Erdagan’s a quarter of all the nuclear weapons of the block controlled by him under the de-energized NATO Incirlik in Europe and taking out all this junk without the consent of the Sultan will not work in any way. In case of conflict
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 20 July 2016 23: 06
        +2
        It must be taken out. Activation codes for Americans and no one else. The country is in chaos. The detonation of not just a quarter of one warhead and "humanitarian intervention" is becoming a reality. And the undermining can be attributed to any bearded organization.
        Guess once, who will carry out humanitarian intervention in Turkey to protect American nuclear weapons?

        And this is a modern interpretation of this interesting term.
        Humanitarian intervention - in modern international law and practice: the use of force or the threat of force carried out by a state or group of states outside its borders without the consent of the country in whose territory the force is used and aimed at preventing or suppressing large-scale and gross violations of fundamental human rights, is not being nationals of a humanitarian intervention.
        1. Pissarro
          Pissarro 21 July 2016 18: 56
          0
          Guess once, who will carry out humanitarian intervention in Turkey to protect American nuclear weapons?


          I suspect that there will be no intervention against the second largest and first fighting forces of the NATO army by mattress workers, this is not to drive Bedouins in the desert. Plus, this will be the failure of all American politics for half a century and the grand victory of Russia and Iran if it comes to that
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 22 July 2016 13: 56
            +1
            Suppose the country is not in NATO and the combat effectiveness is low. Nuclear weapons in an unsafe place. This is not an intervention, but a humanitarian intervention. The decision is made by the UN Security Council. At the slightest danger, the decision of the Security Council will be unanimous. Here, neither Russia nor China can object.

            Humanitarian intervention itself is a relatively new and interesting thing. This is actually turning the country into a colony under the auspices of the UN. A good way for the States to maintain a foothold on the southern flank. In my opinion, even the only one. So the Turks must first get rid of this dangerous cargo.

            http://ria.ru/world/20160722/1472592094.html
  19. alatanas
    alatanas 20 July 2016 14: 07
    +1
    The truth about the coup.
  20. bumerang.
    bumerang. 20 July 2016 14: 30
    +1
    Presumably, however, he suffered a lot of fear.


    The appearance of Erdogan, when he was accused of having links with Igil and the oil business, and then when the plane was shot down was depressing, it was clear from what he was experiencing, the circles under the eyes turned brown.
    And now, when there was a threat to his life, and he looked as usual and the circles under his eyes as usual, although he had them quite pronounced. He did not worry that night, while people were fighting with the military. He looked rested and calm, not at all agitated.
    I think that the intelligence services, having learned about the dissatisfaction of the military, and perhaps the impending coup, joined in and staged this coup.
    Well, I do not believe Erdogan. People of course supported him, because they didn’t want war, and they didn’t know who had organized this coup, because the coup didn’t appeal to the people, I think the special services took care of it.
    How vilely Erdogan did to the people who support him, unarmed asked to resist the armed, who were forced to shoot from the crowd. But he has special forces and he knew in advance about the coup, as he had planned it.
    Sorry for the dead, the wounded and those who were arrested. Now Erdogan will remove all who disagree with his policies.
    After they said in the news that he had been warned about the putsch in advance, and led a crowd of unarmed people, not military and special forces, I had such contempt for him, how can the Turks believe him.
    1. Yars
      Yars 20 July 2016 15: 52
      -1
      Quote: bumerang.
      Presumably, however, he suffered a lot of fear.


      The appearance of Erdogan, when he was accused of having links with Igil and the oil business, and then when the plane was shot down was depressing, it was clear from what he was experiencing, the circles under the eyes turned brown.
      And now, when there was a threat to his life, and he looked as usual and the circles under his eyes as usual, although he had them quite pronounced. He did not worry that night, while people were fighting with the military. He looked rested and calm, not at all agitated.
      I think that the intelligence services, having learned about the dissatisfaction of the military, and perhaps the impending coup, joined in and staged this coup.
      Well, I do not believe Erdogan. People of course supported him, because they didn’t want war, and they didn’t know who had organized this coup, because the coup didn’t appeal to the people, I think the special services took care of it.
      How vilely Erdogan did to the people who support him, unarmed asked to resist the armed, who were forced to shoot from the crowd. But he has special forces and he knew in advance about the coup, as he had planned it.
      Sorry for the dead, the wounded and those who were arrested. Now Erdogan will remove all who disagree with his policies.
      After they said in the news that he had been warned about the putsch in advance, and led a crowd of unarmed people, not military and special forces, I had such contempt for him, how can the Turks believe him.

      I think you should not watch too much German TV! After all, they repeat, word for word, the information of the American media, as in other Ukrainian media! A month ago, Erdogan sent Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu to resign, the latter did not think for a long time he collected things and dumped his family in the USA! It is also worth noting that the order to destroy the Russian SU-24 bomber over the territory of Syria gave Davutoglu the order. Having removed Davutoglu, Erdogan made the West understand that he was beginning to clean the state from the fifth column, which the West completely controls! I also want to add that it was not by chance that during the course of the beam both pilots who shot down the Russian SU-24 were arrested! The West has nothing left to do but how to shift the blame of its failed bundle on Erdogan!
  21. Bakht
    Bakht 20 July 2016 14: 54
    +1
    Oh, these "like-dislike". Erdogan is a politician, Putin is also a politician. These people are somehow not interested in experiences and sentiments.

    If Putin hopes to pull Erdogan to his side, then he is a genius. I do not believe in it. The check is simple - Turkey’s withdrawal from NATO, liquidation of the American base in Incirlik, closure of straits for US ships. Cessation of ISIS support; cessation of oil smuggling; Assad support.

    All of the above resembles some kind of fantastic plot.

    What do we have in real life? Cleaning the army, that is, the last hope for the secular nature of Turkey, the dismissal of judges, prosecutors, teachers, a ban on the departure of scientists from the country. I wonder where Erdogan will find a replacement for 15 teachers? Straight from the madrasah? We have a direct slide into a religious state. Erdogan is solving its tasks of turning Turkey into an Islamic state. That's all there is in the dry residue. In the long run, this is a big trouble for everyone around.
  22. Bakht
    Bakht 20 July 2016 15: 14
    +3
    In total, 9332 people have already been detained on charges of organizing a coup attempt in Turkey. Among them are two adjutants of the president, 492 employees of the Department of Religious Affairs of Turkey, 100 police officers, 6038 military personnel, 755 judges and prosecutors, more than 250 employees of the Prime Minister’s office, 650 civilians.

    In addition, according to Hurriyet, 28 thousand 321 people were fired from such structures as the government apparatus, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Higher Council for Education, the Ministry of Education, the National Intelligence Organization, the General Directorate for Religious Affairs, the Ministry of Family and Social Policy, the Ministry Finance and the Department of Energy Market Control. Another 21 thousand employees lost their posts in private educational institutions subordinate to the Ministry of Education

    Also, 30 governors and 47 heads of municipalities were laid off.

    This is a real coup d'etat. Would the putschists begin to fire almost 50 civil servants? There is a cleaning of the political field under the "sultan".
  23. Gunther
    Gunther 20 July 2016 15: 38
    +2
    Quote: parusnik
    ... Yes, it’s more likely to be .. Putin and Lavrov do not like to jump on a rake .. moreover, on children’s ..

    It is not a fact, there is already stuffing that Perdogasha and the former prime minister "did not know" that the bad generals (servants of the State Department) are to blame.
    In my opinion, Regge Perdogan is a reptile, he has no faith.
    Article plus.
  24. kindral1976
    kindral1976 20 July 2016 18: 38
    +1
    An attempted coup is a provocation of the special services of Erdogan, at the instigation of the CIA. Clumsily, with a bunch of mistakes and shoals. In general, in Turkish. But now you can calmly objectionable and disturbing to destroy. The people will even support ...
  25. rumatam
    rumatam 20 July 2016 18: 46
    +1
    It is a pity that it did not work out, But what is most depressing is the arching of our top in front of the Turks. Even the Red Army soldier Sukhov uttered the truth "... the east is a delicate matter ...", the Asians, especially Muslims, do not consider it shameful to deceive not Muslims, according to the Koran. There is a tourist lobby.
  26. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 22 July 2016 10: 27
    0
    While in his country you are boiling, you need to finish ISIS! They are currently waiting for help vryatli from him.