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Kamran as a pistol to the temple

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After the recent visit of the Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Suan Fuk, a large group of economic experts arrived in Russia. They had an almost four-hour meeting with the ex-deputy head of the construction and quartering of troops of the Ministry of Defense, Lieutenant-General Viktor Aistov. Now working in the capital's government, he led the construction of the Soviet Kamran naval base for several years. What was the conversation going? Does Russia intend to place their ships there again?


- Viktor Fedorovich, as is known, Russia associates an increase in the level of protection of its Far Eastern borders primarily with the development of Matua Island, located in the middle group of the Great Kuril Ridge. But there is only a square kilometer 52. In addition, the island is significantly remote from populated areas of Sakhalin and Kamchatka, uninhabited. For its arrangement it will take time, big expenses. Another thing is habitable and familiar "Cam Ranh" ...

- As a military man, I think that there is no excess defense capability. All means are good for this region, though far away, but our region, to paraphrase a classic, to live peacefully.

As for the Camrani, the base, due to the unique natural conditions, is considered one of the best deep-sea ports in the world. The peninsula from the north and south is surrounded by many small islands with a narrow "throat of entry." Natural military fortress. The total area of ​​the water surface of the bay is about 100 square kilometers, the depth is up to 32 meters. All this allows you to simultaneously anchor 40 large warships and carriers.

Back in August 1886, the corvette of the Russian imperial fleet The “Knight” under the command of Captain 1st Rank Stepan Osipovich Makarov, making a trip around the world, visited the port of Kamran (then Pan-Rank). Our naval commanders immediately appreciated its merits and for many years, domestic ships more than once anchored here.

The construction of the naval base in the bay was first begun by the colonial French authorities in the 30s. As a result of the wars in these parts, the Japanese took over the base, then the French again. After they left, Americans entered South Vietnam. They actively intervened in the political processes in the country. 20-year-old brutal struggle filled with victims and heroism ended in victory for the people of Vietnam. The Kamran base was released on April 26 of 1975. I must say, the Americans have worked on its arrangement. They built an airfield with a decent (3,5 kilometer) runway capable of receiving all types of aircraft, including strategic bombers. There was a residential town for pilots, warehouses for ammunition and medical equipment. Shipbuilding workshops were built in the Bay of Binya Ba, paved roads. Despite the fact that the base was rear, it was well strengthened, especially from the sea. Here is a system of pillboxes connected by a single fire control network. At the entrance to the bay at the commanding heights of artillery batteries. Naturally, they also took care of anti-sabotage protection - the objects were surrounded by numerous minefields.

US President Lyndon Johnson twice personally inspected the base: October 26 1966 and 23 December 1967 th. Speaking to his soldiers and officers, he declared that the stars and stripes would fly over her forever ...

- How did it happen that the ships of the USSR were there?

- The USSR, many other countries with great sympathy for the struggle of the Vietnamese for independence, provided them with economic and military assistance. Our country and allies under the Warsaw Treaty delivered more than 5600 anti-tank guns, 316 combat aircraft, 23 S-75M air defense systems, two S-125 missile regiments, and almost 700 tanks, more than 70 ships and transport vessels, other weapons and equipment. In particularly difficult moments for Vietnamese friends, the Soviet government sent atomic submarines and warships to the South China Sea, which had a sobering effect on the aggressor.

Kamran as a pistol to the temple


As soon as the Americans left, we immediately began to show interest in Camrani. The first Soviet sailor, whose foot stepped on the base, can be considered Rear Admiral Valentine Kozlov, Head of the International Military-Technical Cooperation Directorate of the Soviet Navy. In December 1978, going with a group of officers to Vietnam, he received instructions from the commander-in-chief of the Navy Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union, Sergei Gorshkov, to carefully read the state of Camrani. Kozlov also had to probe the attitude of the Vietnamese to our desire to use it by Soviet ships serving in the Indian and Pacific oceans. He later recalled that the base impressed him with its facilities, stretching nearly a hundred kilometers. The Americans had everything there: concrete berths, a well-equipped ship repair shop, piers, an airfield with two runways, roads ...

2 May 1979, the governments of the USSR and Vietnam signed an agreement to share the base in Cam Ranh. The document was designed for a quarter of a century, before 2004, with automatic renewal every subsequent ten years. In April 1979 of the year, the first detachment of Soviet ships under the command of captain 1 of the rank of Cherivaty entered BAM Vasily Chapaev, the SKR-4 security guard and minesweeper.

- But at the beginning a logistics point was based there?

- Yes, it was the 922-th PMTO, which included, though not very militant, but necessary and sought-after organizations. These are services: food, clothing, financial, fuel and lubricants, marine engineering in the form of a department, KECh, automobile company, fire platoon, naval hospital, clinic, field institution of the Central Bank of the country, branch of Voentorg. Even then, they took care of the provision of electricity (installed diesel and gas turbine stations), drinking water (it was tense with it), and fresh bread. They built a good bakery, the smell of which the Vietnamese were free from service and work.

The crews of the ships of the Navy that came to the port could receive all the necessary supplies here, repair the equipment. Personnel rested, including on beautiful local beaches. Sailors and pilots serving in the tropics, it was necessary to quickly restore power, and here it was fully possible.

But the real combat service began after the formation of the 1982-th operational squadron in 17. It was based mainly in Cam Ranh. This immediately raised her status to the Navy.

- The formation of our operational-tactical squadrons of the time - the result of the intensity of the Cold War?

- Yes, but from our side it was a necessary response measure. The high probability of a sudden nuclear strikes on the USSR from aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines forced the leadership of our country and the Armed Forces to deploy powerful groups of the Soviet Navy in the World Ocean capable of preventing any possibility of "slander blows." The task was assigned to operational squadrons.

They monitored and tracked the carrier-based, missile, and other groups of the potential enemy in readiness with the start of hostilities to destroy him. In addition, much attention was paid to the reconnaissance of the forces and means of anti-submarine warfare, the opening of similar enemy actions. The most important task at that time was to ensure the safety of Soviet aircraft and civilian ships in the squadron’s area of ​​responsibility.

First, the 5th operational squadron was established, based in the Mediterranean, then the 8th operational squadron entered the Indian Ocean. The Arctic and Atlantic oceans became the duty station for the ships of the 7th operational squadron. Gradually, the situation in the oceans was taken under our control. For example, in 1976, there were 38 ballistic missile submarines, 30 multipurpose nuclear submarines, 60 diesel torpedo boats and 111 large surface ships in combat service. Imagine what a force! Concerning aviation, then in 1985 alone, the Air Force fleets made over 4500 sorties in the ocean zone.

The 17-based operational squadron, based in Cam Ranh, took control of the Pacific Ocean. It included the 38-division of submarines, the 119-brigade of surface ships, the 255-th division of support vessels, the 300-th division of the ships of the water area protection, the 169-th separate mixed aviation regiment, the 501-th combat group with submarine sabotage forces and means, 1073-th communication center, other parts and organizations.

- It is believed that due to the convenient location of the Kamran base, the Russian operational squadron was able to "take over the USS" the US Pacific fleet and, despite the much smaller number in comparison with it, neutralize the threats.

- I am a supporter of another expression: put a gun to his temple. Yes, the natural military fortress Cam Ranh was very conveniently located and this made it possible to respond quickly to all movements of the likely enemy. At that time in the Philippines, at a distance of a thousand kilometers from us were a dozen American objects: the bases — among them were such powerful ones as Subic Bay (naval) and Clark (aviation), airfields, training grounds. Of course, in terms of the number of ships, aircraft and combat capabilities, they surpassed us, but we took not quality, but quantity. The training was at a very high level.

Only one episode. In the 169-th separate mixed aviation regiment there were only squadrons of anti-ship missile carriers, naval reconnaissance-target designators and a helicopter squadron. And there were no fighters, as American pilots knew well and behaved ugly. They intercepted our aircraft in close proximity to the base: they were dangerously maneuvering, showing obscene gestures, rubber women. With this insolence it was necessary to stop. First, pilots arrived from the USSR, then fighters (disassembled on ships). Airplanes, of course, secretly collected from the Americans and tested. A system of false radio programs, specially designed for the occasion, misled the enemy, at the same time reporting the movement of American fighters on a wired telephone, which, of course, was not tapped. Our overseas "friends" did not even know what to expect.

And now, at the command post of the 169 air regiment, a signal was received to detect an American fighter a hundred kilometers away. Squadron commander Lieutenant Colonel Semerov flew to meet him. He first retired from the "Phantom", and then, after targeting coastal radar at ultra-low altitude, he began to approach the object of attack. He approached secretly from the side of the sun, turned on the afterburner, and began to climb with the exit to the distance of the strike. And then in the calculated position he turned on the on-board radar, as if launching a rocket attack. The American pilot of our fighter did not see, but immediately felt the work of the radar station. He turned on the afterburner, made an anti-missile maneuver at full speed and disappeared in the direction of the ocean. Our pilots used a similar technique several times, and that was all. No one else intercepted Soviet aircraft over the base.

- What did you manage to adapt from the American inheritance?

- In general, a little. Used after the upgrade runway. Left after them, as they say in such cases, the structures of the berthing front and the water area, however, one of the two piers was damaged by an explosion, had to be repaired. Roads also seriously modernized - asphalted, equipped storm sewer ditches.

It can be said without exaggeration that we have built a new base. Most of the objects erected from scratch. Here are the numbers: only in 1987, by the way, this is the year of my arrival at the base, 440 (!) Buildings and structures were commissioned. The next year, the 1988, is 28, in the 1989, the 131 object.

In the arrangement of the territory, we have advanced much further than the French and the Americans. For example, however much they fought over providing fresh water to the base, they failed to solve the problem: they were taken “from beyond the sea” by tankers. And we found a suitable lake on the peninsula, cleaned it and laid water supply, organized the work of artesian wells.

It was built several hundred buildings of various purposes. Seven barracks, which housed the personnel of the logistics center and submarine crews, two canteens for a total of 500 seats. We provided the necessary base aviation facilities (headquarters, communications center, barracks). A naval hospital for 100 beds, an International Friendship House (cultural center) with a hall for 400 seats, a cinema for personnel of the PMTO, two sports campuses, a secondary school building 183 for 120 students, 16 houses for 700 apartments were built.

You can already imagine the scope of construction work, but this is a small part. After all, besides the facilities of the providing and rear services, the most up-to-date material and technical base was created, which made it possible to successfully solve the tasks for which, in fact, we were located in Cam Ranh. Squadron headquarters, communications center, an arsenal for the storage and maintenance of rocket armament, warehouses for missiles, mines of an aviation regiment, and liquid fuel (12 tanks and storages) were built. A modern power supply system has been created: the central diesel power station with a capacity of 24 has thousands of kilowatts, high-voltage power lines, and the necessary transformer substations. Logistics warehouses were built: two food, two clothing, three for technical equipment, as well as two refrigerators with a capacity of 270 tons.

I note that the listed objects were built on the most advanced technologies. For example, the arsenal for storage of cruise missiles was created taking into account the operation weapons in a tropical climate. The project has invested all the best accumulated in this area. There were facilities for storing cruise missiles, carrying out routine maintenance, and various stands. Our fleet has not yet had such an arsenal. But in connection with the collapse of the USSR, we never launched it, transferred it to the Vietnamese side.

- And who built - our or Vietnamese?

- At the very beginning, the military builders of the Pacific Fleet were engaged in this. And then everything took over the 22 of Zagrantekhstroy of the USSR Ministry of Defense. Unfortunately, very little is still known about him. It was a strong, I would even say, powerful organization that built unique military facilities in many countries of the world. 22 th Zagrantekhstroy established in Kamrani Soviet construction and installation organization, which I had the honor to lead.

Built with the Vietnamese. During the period of most intensive work (1987 – 1989) the number of employees in our organization was 2400 – 2500 people. The Vietnamese singled out for these purposes the 394 military building brigade of 4500 – 5000 men.

- Loss of personnel in Cam Ranh happened?

- Over the years the base has been killed 44 of our compatriot and 176 Vietnamese. We very much experienced every loss. A memorial has been created on the peninsula, on which their names are engraved. Among them, the crew of the Tu-95, the dead 13 February 1985 of the year, the pilots and passengers of the An-12, the 8 crashed on July 1989 on landing, the pilots of the famous Russian Knights aerobatic team crashed near Kamrani 12 December 1995, and others.

In general, the war, although it was called cold, was bloody. My colleague in Camrani, Rear Admiral Nikolai Matyushin, calculated that during the Cold War, our fleet lost more submarines than it did to the Russian-Japanese, World War I, Civilian and Soviet-Finnish combined.

“Why did we leave Cam Ranh and can we return?”

- We left because in those years our Navy practically ceased its activity in the World Ocean. On the instructions of the President of Russia, the Security Council then created a special commission, which concluded: we do not need “Kamran”.

But the agreement concluded in 1979 did not provide for an early break, we had to send a special note. The divorce process was finally completed on 2 on May 2002 with the signing of a protocol on the transfer and acceptance of objects.

After our departure, the Vietnamese reconstructed the runway and use it as Camran international airport. As for the naval component - there are no obstacles here, I think. Prime Minister Nguyen Suan Fook noted that the Russian Federation is a strategic partner of Vietnam and we "must use the existing potential in order to develop in the interests of both countries." With this attitude, no problems are terrible.

- To you came the Vietnamese, what was the conversation?

- Now Vietnam is becoming an increasingly open country and the tourist business is one of the main directions of economic development. But there is a problem - environmental. The Vietnamese, who had to defend their independence for decades in arms, simply had no opportunity to pay attention to it. Moscow belongs to those world capitals in which the problem of waste disposal, wastewater treatment is at a high level, so our colleagues very carefully got acquainted with our technologies. I think the experience of our builders, both civil and military, will be in demand. There is no doubt that Russia will once again return to the Kamran naval base.
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    1. Mitek
      Mitek 23 July 2016 15: 36
      +42
      I really hope to restore the database. The tension in the world is growing. And still to revive the base in Cuba. And stick "PRO" there.
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 23 July 2016 16: 20
        +14
        Better, of course, Vietnamese Pocket than "settle" their islands. Give the Japanese the Kuril "uninhabited" island, they will live on it better than any Karman in a couple of years. A pocket, although rented, is good, but you also need to settle your own.
        1. My doctor
          My doctor 23 July 2016 18: 09
          +4
          Quote: siberalt
          Give the Japanese the Kuril "uninhabited" island

          The Japanese live nearby on the islands, and they are very eager to settle on the Kuril Islands, and who is ready to leave HER from the western part of Russia to the east. So dear do not talk nonsense.
          And about Kamrani, Moscow is unlikely to take her there because of the limited resources to confront the main player in that region - China. In the past, the lease of the base was related to the 1979 Vietnam-China War. At the moment, Vietnam has normal relations with the United States, but as before, it is strained on the border with China. China, justifying the large values ​​of the South China Sea for itself, draws borders in its own way, leaving its neighbors a thin strip off the coast. Only the memory of the Vietnamese does not allow them to ask for help from America. So Russia will not get involved in the confrontation also with China.
          1. Talgat
            Talgat 24 July 2016 12: 13
            0
            Quote: MyVrach
            So Russia will not get involved in the confrontation also with China.


            In fact, China is much more profitable if Vietnam will buy weapons and provide bases to Russia - not the United States.

            Clear. that Vietnam does not trust China, but Russia is China's "strategic partner" (we all understand that while the United States and the "world government" are ruling, it is too early to openly create military blocs and throw a glove at them - therefore we are all "hiding" behind streamlined formulations )
            That is, if Cam Ranh takes the United States, then this is not at all good for China - Russia is better
            1. Amra
              Amra 25 July 2016 19: 51
              -4
              Vietnam has long concluded a bunch of treaties with the US They (unlike you Russians) know that China is their main threat
          2. code54
            code54 25 July 2016 15: 50
            0
            If state subsidies and preferential conditions for fishing, why not? But for some reason it’s easier for us to ban everything ...
          3. vkfriendly
            vkfriendly 26 July 2016 11: 23
            0
            Are you kidding? Or not in the subject? The Japanese are not eager to populate their Hokkaido although it is farther south, because the weather is pretty cool. Do you think that they are now rushing to populate the Kuril Islands? The same applies to the Chinese, they only work in the Far East, they prefer to live in southern China.
        2. Ivan65
          Ivan65 23 July 2016 19: 05
          +3
          Kamran is already inhabited by many. And including us. It is a pity that the Vietnamese killed hydraulic piers after the victory over the Americans, but then ours did a lot there. Very convenient location. Indeed, many ships can be shoved there. The harbor is protected from the open sea. The water in the port is different: dark green and light green. Nearby is the valley of rains - there are thunderstorms all the time and rains are very frequent - for rice it is.
          The Russian people conquered a lot with their blood, and then some of them profound our bases. I personally feel sorry for Port Arthur and Camran. But the ships must serve in Kamran with air conditioning. Without them it’s hard, but possible. The beaches there are gorgeous, but at the bottom there are elements of cluster bombs and shells and bullets. The population was reinforced soldering crews overcoats and jackets (they turn out to freeze at 20 degrees Celsius). It will be difficult to return. Vietnam is no longer what it used to be. Naval bases should be in Southeast Asia, and in India, and in Socotra, and in Africa, and so on ... Otherwise, our fleet runs the risk of remaining coastal and always depends on the mood of the West and America (remember the Tsushima defeat, it became possible due to database problems)
        3. hirurg
          hirurg 23 July 2016 22: 08
          0
          At the moment, this is not about creating residential and social infrastructure.
          And the conversation about the creation of bases and lines of observation, warning and protection against possible penetration of a probable "partner".
        4. ava09
          ava09 23 July 2016 22: 59
          0
          It seems like an adult ... Well, what else can you "give", in your thoughts of course ...
        5. AK64
          AK64 24 July 2016 08: 38
          0
          Give the Japanese the Kuril "uninhabited" island, they will live on it better than any Karman in a couple of years.

          That’s why they cannot live in their Hakkaido
          1. Penzyac
            Penzyac 24 July 2016 20: 15
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            Quote: AK64
            Give the Japanese the Kuril "uninhabited" island, they will live on it better than any Karman in a couple of years.

            That’s why they cannot live in their Hakkaido

            They know that once they stole from Russia, apparently they are afraid that sooner or later we will return ...
            And by nature, the Japanese are southerners, they freeze there, this is the land of the Ainu ...
      3. mirag2
        mirag2 23 July 2016 16: 32
        0
        I did not understand yet: AGAIN our base will appear there?
        Moscow belongs to those world capitals in which the problem of waste disposal, wastewater treatment is at a high level, so colleagues carefully examined our technologies. I think the experience of our builders, both civilian and military, will be in demand. There is no doubt that Russia will again return to the Kamran naval base.
        The previous phrase is somehow streamlined — what does the rubbish have to do with it? Or is it like in Nicaragua — where did our supposedly teach Nicaraguans to fight against the drug business, and not defend the construction of the canal by the Chinese. The channel, by the way, is frozen for now ...
        1. x.andvlad
          x.andvlad 23 July 2016 22: 06
          +2
          There is no doubt that Russia will again return to the Kamran naval base.
          Why the author has such confidence is not clear. Even if the Vietnamese came to us for some kind of consultation, this does not mean that Russia will certainly return there. To date, the maintenance of such a naval base for Russia is an impossible task, primarily in financial terms. And our fleet is far from the same as in the USSR.
          The maximum is a small point of Moscow Region, and then in the boundless future, because it is also an expensive pleasure.
      4. Alex_Tug
        Alex_Tug 23 July 2016 16: 41
        +2
        stick "PRO" there


        Chinese rockets to shoot?
        1. Mikhail Krapivin
          Mikhail Krapivin 23 July 2016 20: 47
          0
          Quote: Alex_Tug
          stick "PRO" there


          Chinese rockets to shoot?


          No, Somali :)
      5. Roman 11
        Roman 11 23 July 2016 17: 07
        +2
        Quote: Mitek
        And to revive the base in Cuba.

        We hardly rotate the Mediterranean squadron, and you are about Cuba and Southeast Asia.

        I already read this article on some site.
      6. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 23 July 2016 17: 25
        -1

        - We left because in those years our Navy practically ceased its activity in the World Ocean. On the instructions of the President of Russia, the Security Council then created a special commission, which concluded: we do not need “Kamran”.
        well traitors, well? and you don’t need to judge? Now 2-3 RTOs, the Philippines would control ... eh ...
      7. Amra
        Amra 25 July 2016 19: 59
        0
        You at least revive your Russia)) Then think about the World))) He will manage without you))
  2. bubalik
    bubalik 23 July 2016 15: 19
    -6
    ,,, article minus ,, already dismantled, but maybe in the light of recent changes yes (maybe someone in the subject) who cares ,,, what are the differences ,,?
    http://topwar.ru/27392-set-zarubezhnyh-baz-vmf-sssr.html ,,,можно сравнить,, smile
    1. Temples
      Temples 23 July 2016 16: 21
      +4
      If you said earlier, now TABU?
      Why???
      I have not read before.
      And now I read it with pleasure.
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 23 July 2016 16: 46
        -1
        Temples (7)  Today, 16: 21 ↑ If you said earlier, now TABU?
        ... is an article ,, or about the title of an article ,,,, crying,,,,
        Temples (7)  Today, 16: 21 ↑ And now I read it with pleasure.
        ,, don't slow down ,,
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    2. PKK
      PKK 23 July 2016 16: 34
      +3
      The base in Kamran is of great strategic importance, controls shipping in the region. China, on the one hand, will be glad that the Yankees will not be able to get there. China supplies through this region.
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 23 July 2016 17: 00
        +4

        PKK (2) RU  Today, 16: 34 ↑


        The base in Kamran is of great strategic importance, controls shipping in the region. China, on the one hand, will be glad that the Yankees will not be able to get there. China supplies through this region.
        ,,, and the resources of Russia to eat all this ?, (supply base) ,,
        1. Alex_Tug
          Alex_Tug 23 July 2016 17: 12
          +1
          ,,, and the resources of Russia to eat all this ?, (supply base) ,,


          It is doubtful that Russia is unlikely now to contain a full-fledged base.
          1. bubalik
            bubalik 23 July 2016 17: 23
            0
            Alex_Tug RU  Today, 17: 12 ↑
            ,,, correctly understood, and the answer was rhetorical ,,,
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          3. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 23 July 2016 19: 33
            +1
            Quote: Alex_Tug
            It is doubtful that Russia is unlikely now to contain a full-fledged base.

            Russia's GDP is 8 times less than the United States, the United States has 860 bases abroad.
            So can Russia have a couple of bases?
            1. Alex_Tug
              Alex_Tug 23 July 2016 19: 48
              0
              Russia's GDP is 8 times less than the United States, the United States has 860 bases abroad. So can Russia have a couple of bases?


              If in the world market to change the ruble with the dollar, then they could contain 860 bases.
            2. Svidetel 45
              Svidetel 45 23 July 2016 22: 39
              +2
              Yes, this GDP still needs to be dealt with, since it’s 8 times, as you know, a significant share of US GDP is not real production, but all kinds of services. They have already dragged out real production for a long time, with the possible exception of the defense sector, abroad, where labor is cheaper.
            3. Penzyac
              Penzyac 24 July 2016 20: 29
              0
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              Quote: Alex_Tug
              It is doubtful that Russia is unlikely now to contain a full-fledged base.

              Russia's GDP is 8 times less than the United States ...

              It all depends on what methods to consider. Be less interested in the stock exchange rate and official reporting, especially the American one. Of course, it will endure paper, but the printing press and lawyers are not production ...
          4. Verdun
            Verdun 23 July 2016 20: 10
            +3
            Quote: Alex_Tug
            It is doubtful that Russia is unlikely now to contain a full-fledged base.

            For Vietnam, our military presence in Kamrani is an extra trump card in the struggle for our own security.
            Quote: MyVrach
            Vietnam needs a base there so that it is possible to oppose CHINA.
            This is a true point. It seems that for this, the Vietnamese are ready to take a significant part of the costs for themselves. Leaving from there was a rash step. If we return, it will strengthen Russia's position not only in this region, but also in the international arena as a whole.
        2. Amra
          Amra 25 July 2016 19: 52
          0
          And China allowed?)))
      2. My doctor
        My doctor 23 July 2016 18: 43
        +1
        Quote: PKK
        .China, on the one hand, will be glad that the Yankees will not be able to get there. The supply of China goes through this region.

        RAVE. Vietnam needs a base there so that it is possible to oppose CHINA.
  3. NordUral
    NordUral 23 July 2016 15: 19
    +2
    Yes, not in the pants yet, but it will be necessary. Tales of the liberal did not happen. And not our fault.
    1. WKS
      WKS 23 July 2016 16: 25
      +1
      A friend worked at this base for a little over a year. He told amazing things. For example: about a nylon stocking tied to a faucet, in order to detain all the large worms and larvae. During the day, the stocking was filled completely and the stirring contents fell out in the restroom; About swimming in the warm sea, teeming with sharks large and small. One is swimming, and two with Kalash are standing on the beach, looking out for a triangular fin to give a turn on it, to warn the swimmer and scare away the shark.
      1. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev 23 July 2016 17: 28
        +3
        Quote: wks
        For example: about a nylon stocking tied to a faucet, in order to detain all the large worms and larvae. During the day, the stocking was filled completely and the stirring contents fell out in the toilet


        Your friend is lying like a gray gelding. The water tap is clogged by the worm tightly instantly. I had a similar case. Water flowed, flowed from a faucet and stopped. While the crane did not make out for a long time I could not understand why the water does not flow. It turned out that the crane was clogged with a worm and its remains.

        PS. It was at the dacha. I pump water from the well. After this incident, I put, just in case, a homemade "sand" filter, but not after the tap, but in front of the tap.
        1. WKS
          WKS 23 July 2016 23: 40
          +3
          Quote: evge-malyshev
          Your friend is lying like a gray gelding.

          My acquaintance is a very respected person, he does not know how to lie, and even more so as a gray gelding, since a gray gelding can only laugh. And you are probably a young man, in any case, you are not familiar with Soviet plumbing, namely, rooms at this base in Vietnam were equipped with this plumbing. Soviet water tap is different from modern eyeliner. Water was supplied to it by a half-inch pipe, which was screwed directly to the tap, and the water pressure in front of the tap could reach 10 atm., The shut-off valve itself was not from ceramic plates, as it is now, but a rubber plug on the screw stem. No worm could clog such a crane in principle. You can experiment at your dacha, I think that if you wish, you can still get a Soviet-made faucet and half-inch steel water pipes. Well, to create the necessary pressure in front of him at least 3 atm is not a problem. Run the largest worm you find in your garden, and then make a conclusion about the stories of my friend. And it’s better to go to Kamran yourself and see for yourself that he’s right.
  4. Magic archer
    Magic archer 23 July 2016 15: 20
    +13
    Both Cam Ranh and Cuba should be considered as military bases. And they should be fully armed. Well, when asked why, answer as our Western "friends" - protection from terrorism (Ishil and Izhe are with them)
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 July 2016 15: 21
    +3
    The Chinese will not like it. Well, yes ... with them. The base is well located, there are trading routes of such intensity - it is not for nothing that the Chinese and their islands are so annoying to all neighbors.
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 23 July 2016 17: 24
      +2
      These "friends" also need to be held back. Show your finger, they will bite off your hand up to the knee. Vietnam itself cannot contain China and suffers slightly from this.
  6. Hunt
    Hunt 23 July 2016 15: 22
    0
    we need a base. We need to enjoy the good attitude of the Vietnamese to us. The Russian Fleet in Cam Ranh is a bone in the throat of not only NATO but also the "Chinese friends"
  7. V.ic
    V.ic 23 July 2016 15: 29
    +4
    Bases in Vietnam (Cam Ranh) and in Cuba (Lourdes) are clearly needed. The cessation of the operation of Russian military facilities in these countries was an undermining of the defense capability of the Russian Federation. Non-amnesic comrades may recall how GDP related to this.
    1. svp67
      svp67 23 July 2016 15: 42
      +5
      Quote: V.ic
      Bases in Vietnam (Cam Ranh) and in Cuba (Lourdes) are clearly needed.

      If only they did not become our "new Port Arthurs", bases - bases, but we must also equip them with something.
      Quote: V.ic
      The cessation of the operation of Russian military facilities in these countries was an undermining of the defense capability of the Russian Federation. Non-amnesic comrades may recall how GDP related to this.

      The one who does nothing is not mistaken.
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 23 July 2016 16: 02
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        If only they did not become our "new Port Arthurs", bases - bases, but we must also equip them with something.

        That's why the General Staff exists to THINK ...
        Quote: svp67
        The one who does nothing is not mistaken.

        Once again I say that you need to THINK! Who canceled the proverb "Measure seven times = cut once"? Leaving Lourdes and Camrani was not a mistake, but a crime. The drunken hangover and coronary artery bypass graft did not dare, and our hero = VVP made a gift to Bush Jr.
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 23 July 2016 16: 48
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        The one who does nothing is not mistaken.

        And, such figures as Yeltsin, Chubais, Gaidar, were also mistaken? Or does your saying work exclusively towards Putin?
        I think, all the same, it was a serious mistake of Putin. He thought that our partners would still leave the bear alone and would not try to pull out fangs and all that ...
    2. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 23 July 2016 16: 43
      +1
      what did GDP have to do with it.


      I don’t remember GDP, but I remember exactly about EBN.
    3. Roman 11
      Roman 11 23 July 2016 17: 15
      -2
      Quote: V.ic
      Bases in Vietnam (Cam Ranh) and in Cuba (Lourdes) are clearly needed.

      For God's sake. Only contain at your expense! So I understand, by your Wishlist - are you a trillionaire? In this case, do not offer a job? laughing
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 23 July 2016 20: 04
        +2
        Quote: Novel 11
        For God's sake. Only contain at your expense!

        Pushing on the flag you are "a person from there, not from here"! Therefore, we are familiar with the real commodity-money relations. There are no less than two participants in a deal, otherwise it is a scam. RF is needed in Lourdes due to the presence of a number of USA // RF is necessary to Vietnam due to the presence of a number of China. So the parties agree a priori. Money is the tenth thing here. Well, Abramovich will have one less super yacht. Each turn of the grip that squeezes the "Faberge" of "our" oligarchs (your ideological masters) will increase the degree of their patriotism in monetary terms.
        Quote: Novel 11
        So I understand, by your Wishlist - are you a trillionaire?

        I am a working pensioner.
        Quote: Novel 11
        In this case, do not offer a job?

        Look for a job yourself (because "water does not flow under a lying stone"), write your resume, read the ads and God will give.
  8. Pitot
    Pitot 23 July 2016 15: 47
    +2
    The direction chosen is right - a return to what was lost during the destruction of the USSR. And there is nothing wrong with that. The sending of HX needs an adequate action of the strike and sending to P ....
  9. sogdianec
    sogdianec 23 July 2016 16: 08
    +5
    We will be forced to expand our military presence in the world, whether we want it or not. All the time in dead defense is not possible, not effective, and in the near future - economically more expensive. It will be easier to place several military bases under the nose of the United States than to constantly invest in an arms race, because in the near future the missile defense system will pose a real threat.
  10. max73
    max73 23 July 2016 16: 11
    +3
    hello everyone! Well, how many hats can you throw yourself?) bases are needed and so on and other blah blah blah ... I have been in Vietnam for less than a year, be glad that Russia (the USSR) is very respected. but the fact that Vietnam somehow needs to survive, they thought ?! and the people there are almost 100 million, they thought about it ?! eh, they’re robbed, you’ll be very excited to throw the names of the bases, and then what?))) You can only envy the pride and national identity of this people. The Kamrani runway is now used for take-off / landing of tourist charters. Then someone Putin fastened to the topic-not even funny, because vyser. Now the situation is this - the leadership of Vietnam will want that our fleet and the Air Force have a place to be there, then they will ... and everything else, sweaty fantasies
    1. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 23 July 2016 17: 10
      +1
      wants the leadership of Vietnam, so that our fleet and the Air Force have a place to be there


      Tankers are allowed to use the airfield.
  11. akudr48
    akudr48 23 July 2016 16: 13
    +11
    Why did we leave Kamrani and can we return?
    - We left because in those years our Navy practically ceased its activity in the World Ocean. On the instructions of the President of Russia, the Security Council then created a special commission, which concluded: we do not need “Kamran”.


    Pulls a little comrade.

    It is easiest to hide the decision to close not only the base in Camrani, but also the Lourdes intelligence center in Cuba (closed simultaneously with Kmranyu) behind the conclusions of the special commissions, and not behind the monarchous will of the rower on the galley. Like, the colonels know better ...

    But in fact it was an unprecedented deflection of Russia on the subject of friendship with America, love us, we are so flexible ...

    But America, as always, did not appreciate the flexibility, the service provided was taken for granted and continued to expand NATO to the East.

    Then we had to bend in Iraq, Libya, and only in South Ossetia they stopped bending, in part. Michelle had to heal in Tbilisi.

    Then Syria with the burning Donbass, in start-stop mode, without hopes of victory.

    And then - Crimea - full speed ahead, a clear victory, and Donbass - again a brake, to a complete stop.

    As if from Donbass did not suffer back ...
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 23 July 2016 16: 26
      +3
      Quote: akudr48
      But in fact it was an unprecedented deflection of Russia on the subject of friendship with America, love us, we are so flexible ...

      These deflections are even worse than various kinks yes When they go too far, one can regard this as a kind of fanatical desire to complete the task at any cost. In this procedure, it is easy to distinguish between "white" and "black", "right" and "guilty" ...
      Deflection - the desire to stand in a position that is comfortable for both parties and get pleasure (satisfaction ???) to the maximum ... In this case, the relationship with a prostitute can be represented as "friendship".
    2. Roman 11
      Roman 11 23 July 2016 17: 21
      +2
      Quote: akudr48
      Then Syria with the burning Donbass, in start-stop mode, without hopes of victory.

      Why no hope of victory? Delayed until better times victory.

      We don’t need blitzkriegs, we need systematic work so that it doesn’t work out like with the Baltic states of Georgia and dill - we are all to them, but instead of them we thank you for this gesture with a hand bent to the elbow laughing

      But it doesn’t change anything, they didn’t fly to the Moon ..... smart people will come to us someday in power, these ungrateful freeloaders will fully pay for all insults to Russia.
    3. ism_ek
      ism_ek 25 July 2016 09: 43
      +1
      Well, again and again .... In the South China Sea, the USSR held the 17th operational squadron, which in terms of combat potential was in many ways superior to the entire current Russian fleet. To ensure such a mass of ships, a base was needed.

      Why do we need Camran? How many ships can be deployed there now, given that the Russian Federation is now building only corvettes and frigates, and after the break with Ukraine, we most likely forever lost the ability to produce ship gas turbine power plants?
      What combat tasks will this group of corvettes have? Anyway, why do they need a deep-sea port?
  12. Evil 55
    Evil 55 23 July 2016 16: 33
    +1
    This will be the real Russian nail in American politics in the Pacific-Asian region ..
    1. Amra
      Amra 25 July 2016 19: 47
      0
      What Kamran?)) Vietnam is one of the potential opponents of China))) Or the Rusko-Chinese friendship doesn’t count))) Play out))) China has still not been canceled to the Urals)))
  13. akudr48
    akudr48 23 July 2016 16: 33
    +4
    Quote: yuriy55
    Deflection - the desire to stand in a position comfortable for both parties and have fun



    Why convenient for both sides a pose?

    Here they bent so that it was more convenient for the older one to continue using the younger one as he pleased ...
  14. Thomas 1989
    Thomas 1989 23 July 2016 16: 35
    +7
    the article is disgusting, another urapatriotism based on retrofantasies. An amateur praises his past. Just for example, the quote "We have built an airfield with a decent (3,5 kilometers) runway capable of receiving aircraft of all types, including strategic bombers." Firstly, 3 km and 45 meters, the difference is significant, these same 500 meters are sorely lacking in that climate, taking into account the surrounding hills, limited and hindered the use of heavy aircraft.
    Quote- "Used after retrofitting the runway" is an outright lie! Amers have an axial yellow, so the only "additional equipment" of the runway was drawing a white stripe over the yellow one. I don’t know how much money was written off for "additional equipment" but the white paint was washed off after the first rain. The same thing happened with the asphalt pavement of the roads, they laid on top of the American one, within a week "comb", holes, and here again the "enemy asphalt".
    Quote- "After we left, the Vietnamese reconstructed the runway and use it as Cam Ranh International Airport" Don't you know, don't write !!! We have built an air terminal complex and a new traffic control center. Runway and taxiing are the same, no one touched the lane. And a lot of false information, no desire to argue
  15. aba
    aba 23 July 2016 16: 45
    +3
    excessive defense does not happen

    In my opinion, the main message of the article!
  16. midshipman
    midshipman 23 July 2016 16: 47
    +6
    Russia needs Kamran and Cuba. But more important is the development of the Kuril and Sakhalin. When the 4 MiG-31P arrived in the Far East (US Marshall E. Ya. Savitsky carried out the operation to distill US aircraft), for four years, US aviation stopped violating our borders and performing provocative flights. From the USSR Ministry of Radio Industry I had to be there at that time. I have the honor.
    1. Roman 11
      Roman 11 23 July 2016 17: 37
      0
      Quote: midshipman
      U.S. aviation distillation operation was carried out by Marshal E.Ya. Savitsky

      Midshipman, but did you mention Savitsky already? It’s just that this episode was remembered.
  17. Svidetel 45
    Svidetel 45 23 July 2016 16: 54
    +6
    The security of Russia is above all, therefore, if a base in Cam Ranh is necessary, then everything possible must be done to interest the Vietnamese leadership to provide it to our Armed Forces. And enough to bend over to the West, try to come to terms with it amicably, it won't work, they only understand a firm, tough style of communication, the example of Donbass shows this - the more we poke around with all these negotiations like "Minsk", the more we get a response of outright rudeness and Insolence in response from Kiev and its sponsors, life has shown that the dull defense, which the current leadership of Russia prefers, only aggravates the security situation in Russia. If this leadership is not able to put Russophobes of all stripes in their place, then the people of Russia should think about that. to bring into power something else, which, together with other natural allies in the world in opposition to the West, will be able to bring it to life. Considering the plans of our "partners" regarding Russia, which they do not particularly hide, without a guarantee, above all, of Russia's military security, all talks about its future have no meaning.
  18. yuriy55
    yuriy55 23 July 2016 17: 36
    -1
    Kamran as a pistol to the temple


    More precisely, it will be like cartridges for a pistol ... There is an opportunity to create a military base - it is necessary to create. And in Cuba, and in Kamrani, and in the Mediterranean ...
  19. Outsider V.
    Outsider V. 23 July 2016 17: 56
    0
    NF Matyushin, mentioned in the text of the article, has a book on this topic "The 17th operational squadron of ships of the Pacific Fleet: a historical review of 23 years of the Soviet and Russian naval presence in the South China Sea, 1979-2002."

    You can read in electronic form here:
    http://clubadmiral.ru/camran/index.php?i=11
  20. Grigory Z.
    Grigory Z. 23 July 2016 17: 59
    0
    Camran is not relevant for us right now. The threats are much closer.
  21. Olena
    Olena 23 July 2016 18: 03
    +2
    - "What fell from the cart" ...
    - Why is there such euphoria about these bases in Cam Ranh ..?
    -Vietnamese once loved Russia (USSR), but it was a long time ago and ... and so on ...
    -And today they suddenly fell in love with the Americans ... and want to continue to love them ...
    -But Vietnamese today relate to Russians, to put it mildly ... -with great coolness ...
    -And, if today any agreement with the Russians is concluded that only out of a very "large self-interest" ... -That's for the base in Cam Ranh the Vietnamese will break an incredible price ... -may ask for this "price" and in the form of Russia's supply of the latest military equipment ... -the same SU-35, MI-28, Mi-35, S-400, the latest radar and other advanced weapons ... -That's how ...
    -So, where is it even cheaper to maintain a military base for Russia ... -in "Camrani" or on the island of Matua (to build a new one) ... -that's still a question ... -Yes, Vietnam itself has somehow not located very friendly to Russia ... is also a problem ...
  22. akudr48
    akudr48 23 July 2016 19: 16
    0
    Quote: Novel 11
    We do not need blitzkriegs, we need systematic work so that it doesn’t work out like with the Baltic states of Georgia and dill


    Yes, we will continue the system work in the standby mode of the next HSP, will it be enough ...
  23. Mykl
    Mykl 23 July 2016 19: 37
    0
    Something our long harness about Kamrani. It’s time to show bear’s teeth already in the Pacific.
  24. Phosgene
    Phosgene 23 July 2016 20: 10
    +2
    First of all, you need to equip military bases on the territory of the Russian Federation, and a foreign girl is capricious, today friends are only for money, and tomorrow there can be anything
  25. noWAR
    noWAR 23 July 2016 20: 17
    +1
    Friends, congratulations to the Vietnamese on the anniversary of victory over the exceptional. Including our specialists.
  26. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 23 July 2016 20: 21
    +1
    Was in Cam Ranh a couple of times in 1988. to rest there as in a resort in passing is very good, to serve is bad! Maybe there for our generals "boarding house of the Central Committee of the CPSU" to organize, and the director with an accountant Serdyukov and Vasilyeva - let them command! As for the base itself - you need to invest a lot, but what about the return on the nose? Meaning?
  27. KnightRider
    KnightRider 23 July 2016 21: 34
    +1
    Will Russia return to Kamran? I think that will return. Of course, not with a full-fledged naval base ... But the Soviet Union also began there at the time with a missile defense system. Today, KTOF ships often go on combat service on long trips, including to the Mediterranean and the Indian Ocean ... Kamran is a great opportunity to repair during such trips, replenish water and provisions, heal and rest the crew on the shore. And this opportunity must be used. And in the future, when there will be many more warships and submarines, organize a fleet base there (having restored the 17th Special Operations Division).
  28. Alex Osipov
    Alex Osipov 23 July 2016 21: 35
    +1
    Stacked - they tear ... it means you have to stand tight ... Kamran - a chic pestilence and an air base ... better than Port Arthur ... review - into two oceans ...
    1. Amra
      Amra 25 July 2016 20: 17
      0
      You at least arrange Vladivostok))) In 1 ... 0 years, remember Liaodong and Kamrani)))
  29. Nross
    Nross 23 July 2016 21: 53
    +5
    "first of all, with the arrangement of Matua Island" ... In fact, in the 80s, in order to reserve campaigns towards the Barents and further to the western shores of America, it was planned to create a naval base on the island of Simushir (I do not remember what it was called in Russian) ...
    Started - but not finished, like many beginnings in the sunset of the Age.
    And regarding the closure of the Cam Ranh base - in fact, our "allies" from the Vietnamese peoples broke the price of 2000 million US dollars in 300, despite the fact that by that time the Russian Navy was no longer Oceanic and the base was needed only by the submarine hunters -univers, and that is very rare. So I see no point in blaming Putin for this decision: Russia then tried to join NATO, but they turned us off with a grin ...

    In fact: the Russian Navy base is needed there, if only to counter aggressive Chinese expansion, but at an adequate price!
  30. atamankko
    atamankko 23 July 2016 22: 22
    +1
    Where strategists designate, there must be built base,
    without them, we still can not do, but the economy
    priority, and then we’ll tear ourselves over.
  31. DPN
    DPN 23 July 2016 23: 03
    0
    It’s time to correct the affairs of the ebn drunkard and Cuba needs to be returned, otherwise Russia cannot survive in the current situation.
  32. ava09
    ava09 23 July 2016 23: 09
    0
    Quote: Ivan65
    It will be difficult to return. Vietnam is no longer what it used to be.

    Or maybe you are not the same as you were before?
  33. Leeder
    Leeder 24 July 2016 00: 06
    0
    Quote: Mitek
    I really hope to restore the database. The tension in the world is growing. And still to revive the base in Cuba. And stick "PRO" there.

    Of course, not against the United States, but from terrorist missiles from Afghanistan! laughing
  34. iouris
    iouris 24 July 2016 01: 35
    0
    Kamran is even better than Port Arthur (don't be remembered by night).
  35. Orionvit
    Orionvit 24 July 2016 03: 00
    0
    In addition to passing the outpost in Southeast Asia, the article is not about anything. Put a plus for the work of the author. But this is the last time. Where is the Russian military presence there? Now the USSR has poured into Vietnam many tens, if not hundreds of billions of dollars, or full Soviet rubles. The war in Vietnam was won by the Soviet Union, maybe indirectly, but this is a fact.
  36. zav
    zav 24 July 2016 03: 17
    +1
    Kamran and Lourdes surrendered so that we would ate a little bit, after the Soviet famine (whoever could always eat three throats - he might not read further). We want to poke bases throughout Oykumen, but where is the money, Zin? Haven't dreamed of empty store shelves for a long time? Forgot why the USSR collapsed, do you want to experiment with Russia? To dream is, of course, not to toss bags.
    1. Outsider V.
      Outsider V. 24 July 2016 12: 11
      -1
      we ate a little bit, after the Soviet famine


      Maybe this is not on the topic of the article, but I will note that empty store counters are more likely the fruits of a brilliant restructuring (publicity and other benefits). In the "stagnant" years (that is, under the real USSR), although there were not a hundred varieties of sausages, the shelves were not empty. At that time I didn’t “eat” into “three throats” (we lived very modestly), but I did not see “hunger”.
      1. zav
        zav 24 July 2016 12: 28
        -1
        Now ask yourself: why did the perestroika happen? Gorbachev was sitting in the Kremlin and had nothing to do, he just called Reagan, then they met in Reykjavik, and away we go?
        Is it because he called that there was no more strength left to pull this military-industrial strap?
        1. Parsec
          Parsec 24 July 2016 12: 42
          0
          Quote: zav
          Is it because he called that there was no more strength left to pull this military-industrial strap?


          Yah?
          Again, give the figures of the USSR budget at the beginning of perestroika.
        2. Outsider V.
          Outsider V. 24 July 2016 13: 28
          0
          I don’t want to start a discussion for the thousandth time about the reasons for perestroika.

          My answer is short: well, well, let's say you're right. And so in the early 1990s the USSR / Russia state refused to support the bases, the military-industrial complex, science, education, as advised by the "brilliant economists". And what, after that the people "got drunk"?
          1. zav
            zav 24 July 2016 15: 39
            0
            The people began to gobble up at zero, after the surrender of Camrani, Lourdes, and after sending parasites to a known address. As money taken from the people for maintaining bases, for feeding the military and for new equipment went into a black hole.
            Of course, combat readiness declined, and in many ways Russia had to give in to the west. But you need to really assess the possibilities, and you still have a lot of work to do, so that it makes sense to smack the fever, as the author calls for.
            The Russian fleet in Kamrani is beneficial to Vietnam, because we will pay for it, well, in case of graters with a northern neighbor; beneficial to China, as a counterweight to the US Navy; The United States is beneficial as a counterweight to the Chinese fleet. However, I doubt that now it is beneficial to Russia.
    2. iouris
      iouris 24 July 2016 12: 18
      0
      The problem is not the lack of money, but how it is distributed. "Roselita", oriented to the West, eats up the legacy of the USSR, behaves extremely ambiguously in relation to such ideologically clearly defined states as China, Cuba, and Vietnam.
    3. Parsec
      Parsec 24 July 2016 12: 40
      0
      Quote: zav
      Camran and Lourdes surrendered so that we ate a little bit, after the Soviet famine


      And give statistics on vitamin deficiencies and weight deficits in Soviet times.

      Twice a year, a section of the population was examined at the military registration and enlistment offices. By the mid-eighties, the problem of overweight was identified, the reason was excessive nutrition.

      But after the shock therapy - the shock was, the therapy did not work - a terrible perestroika term "weight deficit" appeared.

      You had hunger in Soviet times ... Wake up, not the ninetieth year.
      1. zav
        zav 24 July 2016 13: 35
        +1
        There is a small lie, there is a big one, but there are statistics (on vitamin deficiencies and deficits).
        I lived at that time and experienced what I write about in my own skin. No statistics can drown out the memory.
        Gorbachev probably already got the warriors with their Wishlist when the country struggled with a deficit of everything and everything. So he asks the state president to pacify the American "hawks", and he is going to do the same with his own. And they answer him: we, of course, are in favor, but you also have to do something. For example, improve democracy and publicity, etc. Following the iron lady took him into circulation, and then you already know everything.
    4. Parsec
      Parsec 24 July 2016 12: 44
      0
      Quote: Orionvit
      We want to poke bases throughout Oikumen


      Who do you want?
      What for?
      1. zav
        zav 24 July 2016 15: 42
        0
        If you do not understand the meaning of the context, why harness the discussion? Just to have a fuss?
  37. rruvim
    rruvim 24 July 2016 03: 23
    -1
    An empty undertaking. It’s better to build a base in China.
  38. WERSTA.
    WERSTA. 24 July 2016 04: 00
    +1
    The Vietnamese leadership appreciated the help of the leaders of the Soviet Union. But it would not accept modern Russia sincerely. I was in Vietnam at the time. Their state ideology is fundamentally different from our uncertainty about the state structure of Russia.
  39. user3970
    user3970 24 July 2016 12: 25
    +1
    Who signed the documents to leave Lourdes and Cam Ranh? gdp? Who "forgave" Cuba $ 32 billion dollars, and Vietnam - 9 billion dollars. ? Who has billionaire cellists-matchmakers and billionaire sons-in-law? Who started the new seven-bank system? Maybe we will remember Suvorov and it's time to burn the traitor in the stoker?
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 24 July 2016 13: 18
      +1
      In the stoker, at the "Rublyovka"? The whole country will stink ... Vietnam is not the same, the stratification of society in terms of income is worse than under the colonial regime. It is simply called communist (according to the party), and so is a clone of China, even though they hate each other. And it will be absorbed by China, a matter of time. 1978 does not count.
  40. user3970
    user3970 24 July 2016 14: 19
    +1
    Yes, our army. Debt is not burning coal, the pocket will not burn. gdp to frogmen the debt on shares of the CER paid in 100 years. On my bank of the river lies a 10-meter-long 6-pontoon under a bathhouse, waiting for the money to attack me in order to finish it. Camranho and Lourdes are easier. To voluntarily and compulsorily keep Deripaska, Potanin, Avena or some other trash from Jewish friends of the gdp and transfer the red colony of the Federal Penitentiary Service as a labor force there. After all, with Abramovich and Chukotka rolled.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 24 July 2016 14: 35
      +1
      You can't do that with Vietnamese. Hundreds of thousands of them have visited us; I myself inspected their "hostels". Sometimes in my "soul" I was on the side of the ovs (1967-1972). But don't be on their side. Vietnamese are afraid of the Chinese like fire. These are not the Americans, who fertilized the Vietnamese women and then took them out as wives to the "mainland". The Chinese will fertilize and then kill. This has already happened in the history of the 20th century. We don't need Cam Ranch, it's stupid to invest there further. In general, we need to deal with the Arctic, not the South China Sea.
  41. Gost171
    Gost171 25 July 2016 01: 20
    +1
    ... Excessive defense does not happen .... probably that says it all. What can be restored must be restored.
  42. Alex von Dorn
    Alex von Dorn 25 July 2016 11: 53
    0
    I'd like to see the reaction of the "American partners" when Russia returns to Cam Ranh. I would also love to see the Americans when Russia returns to Cuba.
  43. Amra
    Amra 25 July 2016 20: 01
    0
    Quote: siberalt
    Better, of course, Vietnamese Pocket than "settle" their islands. Give the Japanese the Kuril "uninhabited" island, they will live on it better than any Karman in a couple of years. A pocket, although rented, is good, but you also need to settle your own.

    Better give it back)) There at least a normal life for people will begin))) By the way, you said yourself)) -----: Give the Japanese the Kuril "uninhabited" island, they will live it in a couple - three years better than any Karman.)))) ---- LET THE PEOPLE LIVE)))
  44. wandlitz
    wandlitz 26 July 2016 08: 15
    0
    It’s a pity that they left Kamran. But it’s not too late to fix this mistake.
    Although, these errors are very expensive for us ....